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I have been completely cured of illness while using these products. Didn't shave off any time from being cured by my own immune system and regenerative abilities, but I wanted to humor my kooky aunt.

my mom used to give me only homeopathic medicine and it always worked fine for me, even though I never believed in that stuff.
seems to be more than just placebo..

The common cold will go away on its own in seven days, but you can bring that down to just a week with homeopathic medicine.

>>1295221
haha...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYqQ_n2vOOI

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I want to know what homeopathic effects an infusion of dinosaur piss and heavy metals has?

>>1295221
i find it more effective if i start my regiment on sunday

>>1295256
'Well since likes cures like, the dinasour piss will propaly make you exstinct and the heavy metals will.. you know... make you sink faster?

Does weed count?

>>1295295
Sure does. In the world of mumbo jumbo everything couts!

How does a homeopath commit suicide?

By taking a massive underdose.

Placebo effect, which is proof of mankinds latent psychic powers

I tried it once and it tasted horrible.
So I let my immune system handle it.

>>1295295
only if it's water (just like every other homeopathic "medicine")

homeopathy == placebo effect.

It does not cure.

To be fair, most people could do with a higher intake of water. So homeopathy could aid in curing a variety of symptoms.

Unfortunately for the homeopathists, straight water helps just as much as the additives.

>>1295338
You realise the placebo effect can cure right

>>1295347
For a substance to qualify as "cure", it needs to preform better than a placebo. A placebo is not a cure.

>>1295400
i'm not sure if that is correct.

>>1295423
New medicines are compared to placebos in clinical trials. If a medicine preforms no better than the placebo group it's effects are considered non-existent.

>>1295400
If it helps, who cares if it's because of the placebo effect and whether it can be calles "cure" or not?
(By "help" i don't mean that you only feel better, but that the disease is actually gone)

>>1295437
The placebo effect relies on subjective experience of a disease. Something like a headache is reported as less intense while the actual effects are still there. Homeopathy is fine if people don't mind spending money on that sort of thing to combat something innocent like a cold, but I have a problem with it when people pretend that it cures diseases where the placebo effect has no effect on. Things like bronchitis or cancer for instance. People with no medical knowledge believe it works and spend money on something that is doing jack-shit.

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>>1295434
but a placebo counts as a cure. so if the medicine performs, like a placebo, then it must be a placebo, and if a placebo is a cure, then the medicine must be a cure.

You know, if we don't get rid of this kind of shit before we get into contact with some alien species, I'm going to disguise myself as some other species.

It's just really fucking embarrasing to be of the same species as people who believe in homeopathy.

>>1295437
1. people have died because they chose/forced homeopathic medicine over conventional medicine.
taking a bullshit medicine means you're not taking proper medicine, for a cold this is not important, but for whooping cough in children etc its serious.

2. homeopaths make outrageous and harmful claims, including that conventional medicine will kill you, conventional medicine will infact induce the disease that its supposed to cure (i shit you not, they believe that penicillin will cause syphillis)

3. you're essentially giving a "as long as they are happy argument", which in itself is a validation of any religion, cult, brainwashing, labotomy, drug taking, mind washing, etc
"sure he thinks hes a penguin, BUT HE'S A HAPPY PENGUIN"

that said, im going to sleep

Homeopathy is an evil racket. The people who practice it aren't stupid - you can't run a business and be THAT stupid - so I can only assume they're just cold-blooded psychopaths.

>>1295488
>but a placebo counts as a cure
But no, it doesn't.

That's what the word placebo means, something that doesn't work.

>>1295488
A placebo doesn't change anything about the disease except it's subjective experience. People experience change in symptoms that just isn't there. A placebo is not a cure.

>>1295532
I has a placebo and it cured me from cancers

>>1295553
cool story bro

>>1295506
Yes it does. That's why scientists are so confused about it, it shouldn't have any effect at all but it speeds up recovery times of all sorts e.g. surgery wounds, broken bones. It can also be responsible for negative effects (although for some reason in this context, it's called nocebo)

Placebos can cure

>>1295563
[citation needed]

Like I said:
>A placebo doesn't change anything about the disease except it's subjective experience. People experience change in symptoms that just isn't there.

>>1295568
[citation needed]

>>1295506
placebo is something that shouldn't work but does.

>>1295563
>it speeds up recovery times of all sorts e.g. surgery wounds, broken bones.
Fucking no. Really, where did you hear this shit?

>>1295633
Arg... A placebo doesn't actually cure anything goddammit.
>A placebo doesn't change anything about the disease except it's subjective experience. People experience change in symptoms that just isn't there.

>>1295633
>>1295563
...yeah, whatever. If you insist on this, then you don't really deserve modern medicine anyway. So enjoy your sugar pills and have a happy rest of your lives.

>>1295633
I you didn't have a tripcode I would be sure you were trolling. Sadly... you are not.

I'm drinking water every day, but right now I don't feel very comfortable. :(

The efficacy of a placebo is directly proportional to the level of bullshit on the part of the patient.

Homeopathy is a great career choice, potential 300k starting thanks to the never-ending supply of idiots willing to hand over their money for bottles of water. If you want a premium product, add some orange food dye to some "lotion" and sell it as "synthetic arnica gel".

>>1295692
>>1295660
the placebo effect works. If it didn't why do people use it as a baseline when testing other medicine?

>>1295715
To rule out investigator bias. A double blind study is impossible if you only give one group medicine. Pure placebos are hardly ever used in clinical trials but the effects of new cures are compared to conventional ones.

>>1295715
do you concede or are you to lazy to reply?

>>1295715
You... actually don't even know what a double-blind test means and how it works, do you?

I feel compelled to repost this:
>You know, if we don't get rid of this kind of shit before we get into contact with some alien species, I'm going to disguise myself as some other species.

>It's just really fucking embarrasing to be of the same species as people who believe in homeopathy.

oh dear god why is there so much fail on /sci/?