/sci/ - Science & Math

Do English.

>>1294926
how about no

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Do Materials Engineering.

Maybe this will get your attention

you can go with electrical engineering if you think you're up for and get into computers from there.
unless those are you're absolute choices.

>>1294938
I find that more insulting than anything

>Mathematics

>>1294934
Materials engineering=product design
This seems to open a lot of opportunities in life.
>>1294937
why the detour?

>>1294931

Why not bro?

>>1294940
lemme guess, you did women's studies.

>>1294945
Materials engineering has little to do with product design. Product design is more like marketing bro, you're looking at how people use products and trying to find a niche area where you can create a new product to fill a void. You're not really doing a lot of technical stuff, that gets delegated to the real engineers.

>>1294945
from what I hear from my friends there is a high demand for people with backgrounds in electrical engineering.

>>1294948
what for? What exactly can you do with a degree in English?

>>1294956

Read and write, or cross into philosophy. To name just three. Or you could get a dayjob just the same way you would after doing Psychology, which is a joke subject these days.

>>1294951
no
I find it insulting that a picture that you think I can be titillated into giving you an answer because you posted a picture of a woman in a bikini.
Like you assume thats what basically drives me.

Other stuff you can do with English: write textbooks, go into advertising, broadcast, teach school.

>>1294964
>Implying sex isn't the driving force behind humanity in general.

Psychology. College is for drugs and fucking anyway, why make it less fun by studying hard stuff?

OP's silence on the subject of English is disappointing.

> fallacy of division

>>1294954
From what I've read Product design and materials engineering are pretty similar.
This is the schedule I will follow If I decide to go into Product design, which is also reffered to as product engineer.

Programme Outline

Year One

Semester 1

* Creative Design Fundamentals 1
* Design History
* Marketing
* Communications
* Electro Technology
* Computer Applications

Semester 2

* Creative Design Fundamentals 2
* Marketing
* Communications
* Mathematics 1
* Science 1
* Economics
* Manufacturing and Materials 1
* CAD and Drawing

to continue...

>>1295006
Year Two

Semester 1

* Design and Manufacturing Methods
* Creativity and Innovation
* Mathematics 2
* Manufacturing and Materials 2
* Management and Strategy
* Applied Creativity in Design

Semester 2

* Applied Innovation in Design
* Science 2
* Design Tools and Technology
* Marketing Research

>>1294964
>implying the tripfag actually thought before posting

>>1295008
Year Three

Semester 1

* Creative Design Studio
* Enterprise Development / Business Process Management
* Design Theory
* Design Management
* Rapid Product Development
* Design Evaluation Project

Semester 2

* Legal Aspects of Product Design
* Design Analysis
* Design Evaluation Project
* Design Optimisation
* Product Visualisation
* Product Development Studio

>>1295014
Year Four

Semester 1

* Research and Conceptualisation
* Integrated Design
* Applied Design Medical
* Time Compression Technologies
* Project

Semester 2

* Marketing Case Studies
* Professional Practice
* Applied Design Automotive
* Project

>>1294999
I'm not really interested in it, that's all.

>>1295011
>the tripfag
>>>/b/

>>1295023

That's unfortunate, you could have learned something new there.

Ne'er mind. The world needs plumbers.

>>1295029
Why so butthturt?
Other than teaching/Media and writing Novels English doesn't offer that many opportunities.

>>1294983
oh, you men are such Pigs

>>1295035
Iknorite?
But there's no point in acting like you don't think about sex every few hours, pretty much every guy does.

>>1295034

I'm not butthurt. You aren't interested in learning, you're interested in having a degree that can get you paid. Fair enough, I can't say you're wrong to prioritise that, but I long for the end of this society, where the arts are ever more devalued, and university is just a kind of technical college.

>>1295043
Here's the deal, I am in a seriously tight financial situation, I cannot afford to go to college more than once unless I get a degree the first time that gets me a well paid job. As for the Arts, I have a miniature library in my shitty dilapidated house which includes works of philosophy, politics, law and just novels in general. I enjoy painting and whenever I have the money I buy paints and paint, But I will not go Into any subject that means I could end up jobless after uni. I can't afford it.

>>1295040
I think about sex when I fap,
after that I'm pretty much cool till the next day.

>>1295043
what practical use do the arts have?

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>>1295061
Fair enough, my own situation was similar to yours. We have to live in the society we have, of course, even as we recognise the horror of it. Good luck.

>>1295076
They make people better.

>>1295112
>They make people better.
how?
>even as we recognize the horror of it
what horror?having no value on knowledge unless it has purpose?

>>1295043
You shouldn't simply project your views on everyone. Lots of people find more joy in science and engineering that they find in languages and arts. I like culture and arts, but only to the level of hobby, not to the level of making it my day job.

>>1295124
They refine and give shape to the soul. Knowledge is its own purpose. You don't understand that? I feel sorry for you.

>>1295148
What? Don't try to quote cultural relativism at me, if that had its way we'd all be done for.

We live in a society where expressing a clear worldview is called 'projecting your views on others'.

>>1295148
> cultural relativism
herp

>>1295124

Not the guy you're talking to originally, but think of it like this:

Imagine a society without art. No music. No paintings, No posters, No architecture. No novels. No form of any other literature, for that matter. No industrial design. No television. No plays. No web design. No fonts. No clothing. No photography.

Can you think of a society like that? Saying the arts have zero practical benefit is absurd. It's not like there's a clear delineation between the arts and sciences when they're so tightly connected. When the first human had the idea to flake off pieces of flint to form sharp tools, that is an art. When you view this website and find it convenient to navigate with easy-to-read fonts, those are arts. I admit that way too many idiots go into university and think they can waltz their way into a career that's all fun and games, but there's no way that art has no "practical use."

>>1295161
>They refine and give shape to the soul
I do not really believe in a soul, but I assume its the equivalent of accumulated memories and personality am I right?
in that case
to what state is it suppose to refine the soul to?
why does it need to be refine in the first place?
why cant practical knowledge and the experiences of applying it do the same thing?

>>1295218
What this guy said. Brilliant, and thank you.

>>1295228
I wouldn't say 'the soul' was simply accumulated memories and personality.

Art covers all the things that make us want to do the practical stuff. If all you've ever wanted is to execute practical tasks, then I don't suppose you know what I mean, but I don't believe that is all you want. Art is about emotion, thought, the lability of our experiences of time and memory, among other things. When you read a book and discover a description of an experience that you have had, that you thought no-one else had had, described by someone who died long before you were born, you've made a connection with another human heart and mind which couldn't have been made in any other way. For a moment, you've stood where they are standing, and your understanding of the life they describe is deepened.

Other times, it's the differences that can occur despite the essential humanity we share that excites us. These are things you don't get from conversation or reading a map.

>>1295440
PS: Standing in the shoes of so many others, of different sensibilities, alive and long-dead, improves our ability to live. It enlarges us, because it increases the scope of our understanding and empathy.

>>1294924

Computer science/applications. You can get a good programming job with these and further education in a masters or phd will be a good useful option.

Product Design... this is a bit of a shit degree quite frankly, if someone wants a product design they go to an engineer... most engineers specialising in creating new products also learn aesthetic design and ergonomics as well.

Architecture... An awesome field if you can get work. If doing this you should aim for a masters. Only down side is that getting into the field is fucking hard. There are allot more architecture students than there are jobs.

Psychology... good degree choice. Plenty of opportunity to study at a masters and phd level and plenty of applications in real life... either academically or in industry. Loads of people choose psychology as a 'easy' degree though and if you want to work in the field you should aim for a phd.... there are thousands of secretaries with degrees in psychology after all.

My choice would be Computer Sci but choose what ever you want to do.

>math major
>any job you want
>300k starting

>>1295498
thanks for the advice

Studying the Arts at university is pointless.

Art is a valuable thing... but peoples skill in the arts is formed by constant practice.

If you want to become a great painter or write a novel or make a film you should just do it... art degrees are worthless. people can graduate with a degree in animation or fine art who are unable to draw or paint... tutors will tell students all art is subjective instead of telling them that their work is crap.

All a art degree gets you is a shit load of debt.

>>1295185
>>1295171
>>1295161
Have your tried reading what you were replying to?

All that was being said, is that not everyone should get into arts, as lots of people suck at arts and are great at engineering and science. The poster even claimed that culture is important...

>>1295594

You didn't read what I wrote afterwards, did you?

People like you, determined to hate artists, makes me increasingly sure there's no point.

>>1295602
>You didn't read what I wrote afterwards, did you?
> Anonymous
Oh sorry, i wasn't paying attention to who posted what...
> determined to hate artists
I guess trolling is a art too?

>>1295629

I'm not trolling. Here are my answers to the question of the use of art:
>>1295440
>>1295445

Another very good answer was provided by this poster: >>1295218

I KNOW what the conversations involved were about because I was here. Coming in after the fact to stir up shit is a waste of your time and my patience.

>Ask for some help.
>FUCK U SCIENCEFAGS
>NO FUCK U ARTFAGS
geee thanks /sci/

>>1295661
> I KNOW what the conversations involved were about because I was here
>Everything is written and still available

>>1295678

Look, I hope you know that's not what I was doing. You can see that, can't you?

I heard completely what you were saying.

>>1295681

Yeah, but the faggot stepping to me was apparently incapable of reading them, so I thought it needed saying.

>>1295685
I was just kidding

>>1295661
While what you said in those posts was very true, it doesn't in the least answer why you started attacking >>1295148.

He solely said that engineering and science isn't just studied by those looking for a degree that can get them paid, but ALSO by people who "are interested in learning". People study science/engineering for the sake of broadening their worldview too.

Sure, it goes hand-in-hand with arts, I completely agree with that. But who are you to say everybody's main focus should be on arts-for-the-sake-of-arts and secondary focus on mainly-usable-knowledge?

>>1295709

What?

I didn't say that.

>>1295727
Please clarify what you didn't say?

>>1295736

I didn't say everyone's focus should be on the arts. Many, many people aren't built for a focus on the arts. People should focus on what they're best at. I assume until proven otherwise that I'm talking to a person who has the ability to comprehend them. I'm not interested in getting into 'but some feel that way about math' because the context in which science subjects appeared in this thread - that is, the context in which I implicitly agreed to address them - was as the subjects that make you money.

>>1295705

I'm glad. :D

>>1295779
Well, ok, we'll just leave it at that.

To OP: >>1295498 pretty much summed it up, that's why I didn't bother to stay on topic.

Out of all of those computer science seems to be the best option
If you decide to go another route don't pick psychology please
Waaay too many people are majoring in psychology