/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12800668
>Why do scientists pretend to be really enthusiastic about boring and mundane stuff
Because you're boring and mundane

>>12800668
Perhaps because you have little perspective to inform what makes the images or other things so exciting. Maybe if instead of paying little attention to them, you spent decades working on them, you would appreciate how impressive they are.
This post really reads like it was written by an adolescent.

Ironically I get what you mean, but most of the stuff related to space is actually worth the hype. It's one thing to nerd out over discovering the nuances of how fruit flies fuck, but landing something on another planet will always be at the very least neat.

>>12800673
you on the left

>>12800676
>Oh, I'm sowwy! Did my special wilo scientist not get enough funding from big momma gov? Oh, Pwease don't cwy—I pwomise, I'll give you another million to chuwn out useless wesearch and, after you're finished, I'll give you a big ol' pat on the back for being o so important.

Why do you get dopamine when you solve an angry birds puzzle?

It's the same it's just scientist actually do more than jerk of to Asuka, so they need harder games.

>>12800668
If you don't think going to Mars is tight as fuck, I don't know what excites you in life.

>>12800668
pop science and attempt to make their boring shit appealing to non stem normies

>>12800668
Unironically it's because they don't know any better. Many of them don't know that 99.9% of their life's work is totally worthless. And of that 0.1% maybe only 1% is stuff that normies might actually read a headline of a popsci article of. Scientists spend so many years locked up in the ivory tower that they mistake their enthusiasm (conceived only through extreme tunnel vision) for shared interest. It's very sad. If you ever hear a labcoat talk about "bettering the world" or some shit, you will know there is some serious mental retardation going on in their head.

>>12800795
These guys who chase seals down with fishing nets to stop seals from choking probably have a more fulfilling life than most doctors or scientist.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg8VTeeN4BglqmI1_CBlABg

By the way if you look up this channel it's the number 1 ranked operating out of that African nation, and it's not number 1 by pop culture stuff.

>>12800668
Actual scientists don't care about NASA or space exploration. At least not in the same sense as a lot of the general public. Actually space exploration is a cool idea, but the shit going on right now is just for show. We still have more to learn here on earth before we can seriously start exploring space, although it's certainly good to devote some time and money to space exploration. The people who are actually into this stuff are mostly normies, Reddit soitards, and tech/engineering people.

That being said, I am super passionate about a lot of 'mundane' stuff, but it's generally either (1) very general scientific topics that have significant historical and philosophical interest to the broader intellectual,community (e.g. consciousness, evolution, realism, etc.), or (2) mostly technical problems that are specifically related to my area of expertise, namely combinatorics, applied math, and mathematical biology.

If can't pretend to know anything about space exploration. It's not anywhere in the realm of what I study, but from what I've heard and my very limited understanding, the two real areas where space is actually a little interesting, is looking for signs of organic chemistry on other planets and moons in our solar system, and using telescopes to orchestrate large scale experiments to test relativity and shit about dark matter, dark energy, etc. The shit about colonies on Mars or the moon is just a way to appease normies and get grants for defense contractors in FL and TX, who then use this money to lobby for more grants and more funding. Don't get me wrong, I suppose funding science and engineering, but I think we should support individual labs and individual scientists, especially the ones who DON'T have funding from big tech, big pharma, the military, etc. I support decentralized science, not big science.

>>12800680
I'll have you know, the nuances of how fruit flies fuck, is an important part of genetic research. And genetic research will lead to a lot of interesting things. I think is all about context. If all you see is fucking insects, it is boring and a little gross. If you understand why they breed with whom they breed, and what mutations are passed on in what way, then even that can be interesting.
Same thing with pics of the moon or mars or a black hole. To most people its just arock, and not very interesting.

>>12800668
Because they're not pretending, and to them, it's not boring and mundane?

>>12800795
Do you not understand tha the point of it all is for weird obsessed nerds to build up more and more information, so we can use all of it for something usefull?
All the nerds gathering data on other planets, will eventually, hundreds of years from now be used to colonise the rest of the solar system.
All the information gathered by nerds cataloging plants and animals in the 1800s was used to establish the basics of biology, and genetics, which has solved and will solve all kinds of problems.

>>12802889
>>12802917
undergrads detected
science doesnt matter
its boring as shit
all feigned enthusiasm is cope for a sad life

>>12800680
You sound like a normie retard. Landing a rover on the moon is not science. It's pop culture/tech/engineering. Genetics and evolutionary biology is actually science, and in fact, it's a very interesting area of science from a variety of standpoints: Biology, chemistry, psychology, math, computer modeling/bioinformatics, and even physics and philosophy. The reason we use organisms like fly and worms in genetics, is because these are very useful model organisms, not because people actually care about drosophila or c. elegans. That's part of the beauty of biology: that all organisms are connected in numerous ways, both concrete and abstract. The tree of life is a vast interconnected web of organismal forms, in which all organisms are connected in time through common ancestry, and connected in space through shared ecosystems that cover the world. Universal principles govern living organisms, from the principle of genetics, to common organic chemistry and molecular biology, to thermodynamics and information, and of course competition, cooperation, and evolution. Deep homology is a good example of this concept, but these connections are the lifeblood of biology. When we study any particular organism, this is generally a window into broader questions about life and biology as a whole.
And just to be clear, I'm not some biologist/biology student, so I don't have any skin in the game. But even as someone who doesn't necessarily have a professional background in biology, I can tell that you completely misunderstand the point of both model organisms, and the distinction between science and engineering/tech.

>>12802811
Retard.

>>12802944
>all feigned enthusiasm is cope for a sad life
That's me.

>>12802944
>this much projection
just curious, are you self hating or are you not even a stem at all?

>>12802954
HOLY BIOFAGGOT COPE

>>12802955
t. Non-stem undergrad who follows shit like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Wired and thinks popsci and big tech is the pinnacle of human civilization

>>12802979
Like I said, I'm not a biologist. I'm studying applied math. Everything I've said is true. Scientists literally don't study space exploration, and generally aren't interested in it. Yes, a few of them are, but they're an extremely small minority. If you go to literally any physics, math, biology, psychology, or even computer science department, you will probably find that well over 10% of their faculty are studying some sort of problem in biomedical/behavioral sciences. For instance, my department does a lot of research on combinatorics and dynamical systems, and something like 5 of our roughly 20 professors have published on evolution or epidemiology in the last few years. If you are talking about biosciences in the broadest sense, then probably MOST of our faculty have done some sort of work related to biology. By comparison, we have two faculty and one research group studying aerospace modeling that are affiliated with the math department, and the director of the group is professor of engineering or something, not math or science.

>>12800668
You're just a joyless cunt

>>12802944
Wow, man. I'm sorry to hear you are so burnt out on it. But you have to be blind to not see all the benefits, comforts and luxury science has given us.
Or are you one of those anarcho primitivists, who think they would be better off without technology...

>>12803093
I second this, OP is indeed a cunt.

>>12800668
>Why do scientists pretend to be really enthusiastic about boring and mundane stuff.
I feel like university should make you desensitised by anything short of paradigm changes.
Wow pictures of black holes, wow higgs bosons, wow more things that just confirmed what everybody expected.
Meanwhile the lack of super symmetric particles went more or less unreported by the media.
And spacetravel has been solved in the 60s, now it's just getting funds and improving things. If you're not an aerospace engineer its kinda boring.

>>12803054
>Wired
We should destroy Wired and replace it with The Wired. For based and redpilled content, rather than cringe and bluepilled soience content.

>>12800680
>>12800774
Zoomers only consume their worldview via .jpegs. That's why they don't understand Mars, spaceflight, etc. It barely looks different that a 1200x800 image of Utah, therefore it's boring and mundane.

>>12800668
It's the pop-culture self-conscious dork image that idiots like pic related push. Scientists nowadays can't take themselves seriously and simply do the work because they enjoy it and find it important, they must constantly talk about the "beauty" or "elegance" of whatever, which is just a forced meme that is inculcated into you when you're first learning about science. Anons in this thread cope by calling you a "joyless" person but really they're coping with the fact that they're busing trying to emulate the emotional responses of other brainwashed idiots so that they can fit the role of being a "science person".

>>12803231
Why don't you guys just learn remote viewing / astral projection? I understand the desire to want to go and do and be and explore, and so on, I grew up playing video games and was really into Metroid, but there's a certain point where you need to be realistic.

>>12800668
Because the existential dread of realising they wasted years on faith.

>>12803245
>Scientists nowadays
most scientists are very different to the clowns you see on tv or popsci articles

>>12800668
Academia has the same amount of "bullying in the workplace" as retail and HR positions. I think this indicates, as a whole, a lack of emotional maturity in academia and among professional scientists (surprising absolutely no one). So they may well be more likely to make a big deal out of little things
P.S. I didnt say every scientist on the planet is emotionally immature.

>>12803333
Digits confirm

>>12803333
>P.S. I didnt say every scientist on the planet is emotionally immature.
How dare you preempt my ability to manufacture leverage and grandstand with my outrage at your absolutely absurd portrayal of my character!!!!

>>12803340
very funny

>>12803333
https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1007/978-981-10-5154-8_13-1

>>12803253
Another zoomer trope
>incremental progress is dumb! If you can get instant results, why bother?!

>>12803377
I didn't say you don't bother with anything, you just don't put all of your eggs in one basket and drown in your fixations. Especially when your race is basically a solved game that's been systematically thwarted from within, and is thereforer incapable of organized activity leading anywhere.

>>12800668
Cuz they bloody need to sell it to the general public. Most financiation comes from taxes and that depends on your vote so they need convincing the most people that its something that society needs and that is good. As most people is retarded it needs to be sold through enthusiasm and cool graphs and animations

>>12803770
Largely this

A lot of it is probably genuinely felt, though exaggerated for funding/ public outreach reasons

If the question is more like "Why do they care/ dedicate their lives to measuring some number, studying some obscure orgamism that appears to have no bearing on their lives?"

Its a surrogate activity. If they studied something else due to different circumstances in their lives, they'd be about just as happy. For the most part, these people like solving problems in general, post-rationalize their hyper-specialization as being chosen and not forced

Maybe genuine spergs really do like and choose their niche, I think most would be happy in a lot of roles

>>12803892
Because our species is the gayest of them all. Some people get addicted to the dopamine burst of doing drugs good food and sex and other get addicted to the more sutile satisfaction of that moment in wich your mind clicks and you understand something. It might be more or less useful in the end but the question is that you dont know if the travel you are starting leads to nowhere or if its going to be useful for anything at all, its not just the finish but the path. For example, just read recently that scientist discovered why wombats poop in cubic shapes and it turned out to be that there is a mechanism through wich using muscles and soft tissue of the stomach they where able to deform poop into cubes. Replicating that mecanism and optimizing it could lead to a way for crafting cubes with soft tissue and it may lead to applications in areas of biotechnology.

>>12800668
>But its just yawn from me

Ok OP, tell us, what is exiting for you? What make you enthusiastic?
I am waiting