/sci/ - Science & Math

Death to SN11

What the fuck were those gorilla arms the on the New Glenn """waifu"""?

>>12790420
YOU DID GREAT SN10 I WANTED TO SMELL YOU, GIRL

Feels good man

>>12790420
Fuck reddit and fuck muskrats.

>Mars, 2027

>>12790431
I didn't notice until after I posted the photos I'm sorry bros

>>12790407

>>12790441

what's that mounted on the killbot?

>>12790420
I love how SpaceX is taking the N1 approach to Starship.
>Let’s see how this first high altitude flight goes. Zero expectations.
>Oh look it was great! Let’s fix the issue that killed it.
>Oh that one crashed. But now we now how to fix THAT!
>Hey this one landed in one piece! Now we know what to fix.
What’s better is that unlike the Soviets, SpaceX actually has money

>>12790441
>YWN climb inside a derelict Raptor and make it your new home to shelter you from the Texas winter storm

>>12790450
No, the N-1 approach was do the same over again expecting a different outcome then lose the moon race and get shut down.

>>12790449
360 camera

>>12790440
67 seconds

>>12790450
it's also similar to Apollo. This is how NASA used to do a lot of their tests. In fact one of the astronauts who walked on the moon (forget who) said that SpaceX reminded him of Apollo NASA

How in the flying fuck do you find a big tiddy gf who is interested in space? Is such a thing even possible? Maybe in murica
t. yuropoor

>>12790441
>We now live in a world where these drone dogs are just going to casually appear in photos and footage
I shouldn't be excited for more surveillance but here we are.

>>12790458
To be fair, they slowly but surely we’re working out the kids with the N1. Flight 4 almost made it to stage separation.

>>12790470
NASA used to fly like dozens of test flights

>>12790470
Muskrat cunt. SpaceX is likely to never accomplish have of what Apollo NASA did in the 60s, which is pretty pathetic. This shit has all been relatively cheap marketing for Tesla’s shitty cars using exploding “rockets”. It was same thing with the heavy falcon launching a fucking car.

>>12790431
post em, im feelin horny tonight

>>12790482
SLS will never fly

>>12790482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXMGu2d8c8g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxH4CAlhtiQ

Knock yourself out, faggot. They launched more than just a car on FH.

>>12790470
based

>>12790431
nasa glenn, not new glenn lmao

>be marsfag
>forced to live underground like a rat
>only ever known lifeless red-brown dust and rocks
>defective physiology from the low gravity
>can never return to earth
>only hope is the terraforming meme
>hate parents for coming here

>>12790477
>join a local rocketry club
>find the one (1) girl in the club
>impress her by having the longest, girthiest, rocket in the club
It's just that easy.

>>12790492
>implying it won't be a system of tunnels connected with above ground biodomes and skyscrapers

>>12790492
>live underground like a rat
I'm sold. Where do I sign up?

>>12790431
>gorilla arms
She has hair on her forearms.
Have you not met a girl irl?

>SN10 landed just fine?
>Heh, I bet you've never heard of DC-X before...
>NASA does this all the time

>>12790487
Also Falcon Heavy will be doing construction and resupply launches for Gateway... if they fit Orion+EUS to it they could drop SLS entirely.

>>12790501
They got two spook missions lined up for this year too.

>>12790492
Imagine waiting 80 years for a someone to start building a cylinder

>>12790441
cute!

>>12790425
Thanks anon my SLS folder is literally just memes and failures.

>>12790420

>>12790482
>rockets
>over a hundred Falcon 9 missions
>cheap
This must be the worst marketing strategy ever conceived.

>>12790485
>>12790487
I too worship Emperor of Mars Elon Musk’s cock! Upvote, fellow reddit bros!

Edit: wow this blew up!

>>12790492
Based.

>>12790520
You could just close the thread, you know. You don't even need to admit you got blown the fuck out.

just gonna drop this deuce on you
https://youtu.be/hOyQ3nTDgCs

>>12790520
Why are you thinking about a dude’s cock? Are you gay?

>>12790506
>Imagine waiting 80 years for a someone to start building a cylinder
Are we talking about SLS or New Glenn?

>>12790516
delete this, your ip has been logged, we're on our way

>>12790450
And you figure out how to do certain things as you produce flight ready prototypes
Then destructively test those prototypes

>>12790441

SOON

>>12790512
No problem buddy. Have another.

>>12790552
Can't wait to see it fail on its maiden voyage in 2026.

>>12790482
In less than ten years Falcon rockets have flown almost as many times as the Shuttle did in it's thirty year program life, at a bare fraction of the cost, not to mention that little fact of them being the world's first and only commercially viable and available propulsive landing rocket.

>>12790512

>>12790553
sure starship will, but what about SLS? fag

>>12790555
*and no one has died as a result of flying on a F9

>>12790552
>inb4

>>12790563
yet

>>12790564
>the threadly cope
ahahah, ahaha, ohohoho no no no no uhuhuh

>>12790498
based

>>12790563
F9 also costs anywhere from 1/7th to 1/25th that of the Shuttle

>>12790563
To be fair to oldspace fags, Falcon hasn't flown even remotely as many manned missions as the Shittle, and hopefully for every faction of spaceflight fag's sake nobody else dies during any flight, because whenever they do there's a huge push from antispace to just shut all of it down forever.

>>12790570
What am I supposed to be coping to? SLS has done literally nothing but collect dust.

>>12790587
*collect money

>capitalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQQnrh3qU-M

RocketLab WILL license build Merlins, and you WILL eat the bugs

>>12790593
Neutron isn’t real. Beck will cancel it in a few years but use the money to build satellites

>>12790597
>Neutron isn’t real.
something something test stand at Michoud

tell me rocketlab isn't falling for the kerolox meme again

>>12790597
Beck would get the shit sued out of him if he tried that, public companies have a lot less flexibility on those things.

>>12790593
the fuck is wrong with rocketlab?

>>12790606
>>12790609
Hobbitlab is using kerolox for the same reason Neutron is the exact same height as Antares, and the same reason they're launching from Wallops. They're going to use the Antares pad with minimal modification.

I'm unironically about to make some gourmet homemade tendies. Anyone want some?

>>12790613
Northrop better do some shit with Analtares quick or else they’ll die

>>12790613

Rocket Lab intends to hijack the Cygnus launches to the ISS and maybe even buy either Soyuz or Starliner capsules and launch Neutron in expendable mode. It isnt a bad strategy to create a backup revenue stream incase the smallsat market either becomes overcrowded or implodes.

>>12790640
Cygnus on reusable rockets is peak orbital freight infrastructure. Just needs Momentus operational to go anywhere but ISS.

>>12790640
What a strange bastard child of Starship and Falcon.

>>12790640
>carbon fiber interstage
>expendable second stage
sheeeeit that isn't gonna be cheap. Why won't somebody slap a second stage spaceplane on top of a reusable booster?

>>12790645
Enter the Falcon 5
http://www.astronautix.com/f/falcon5.html

>>12790495
>rocketry club
>yuropoor
pick one mate

>>12790666
>Why won't somebody slap a second stage spaceplane on top of a reusable booster?
Nobody has figured out how to work around the aerodynamic instability from having it stacked vertically. I suspect the answer involves an obnoxiously high TWR for the first stage so it can get up past max Q in a hurry and make the gravity turn before the instability becomes a problem.

>>12790420
Daily reminder

>>12790520
Faggot kike

>>12790666
Barring the Starship architecture, I think that pic related is the best option there is.

>Fully reusable (VTOVL first stage, gliding second stage)
>No need to do a retarded bellyflop
>Nothing to fuck up the heat shield
>Looks cool as fuck

Also checked.

>>12790440
>t:ching chong bing bing bing I eat dog and cannot see

>>12790492
>forced to live underground like a rat
Have you not heard anon?
>>12766179

>>12790685
interesting, yeah I guess any exposed lifting body would be really bad in the dense lower atmosphere. Real shame.
>>12790704
lmao that pajeetplane looks like one hell of a ride, I'm guessing that's all solids beneath it.

>>12790731
>all solids beneath it.
For the scaled test flight yeah. Idk about the full version, if that ever happens.

Also reminder of that time ESA did something similar. Nothing ever came out of this IIRC.

>>12790667
Really wish this flew, even if just one time

The Raptor is the powerhouse of the Starship.

>one day you might be able to look up to the moon and see the glittering lights of the industrial megabases that cover its surface

>>12790761
USS Mai Waifu is undergoing meiosis bros

>>12790766
Imagine most of our space-based industry being located on the Moon, alongside a permanent colony there.

>>12790776
>the Moon

>>12790632
I had unironic "luxury soup" for lunch. Campbell's Chunky Chicken with red onions, seasoning salt, champagne mushrooms, and MSG.

>>12790561
It was obviously a joke anon, the sls maiden voyage was pushed back to this year which is being pushed back

>>12790779
Problem?

>>12790779
Nothing wrong with that

>>12790779
>the Luna

>>12790791
>>12790792
>more Delta V to get to than Mars
>infinitely less ISRU material
>not near the asteroid belt and gas giants

>>12790776
I think it'd be neat to have all Earth industry and agriculture moved to orbit or on the Moon. Then we could have the Earth all lovely and forested again, with parks and gardens all over the place. Because at the moment if you look on Google maps, zoom in on just about anywhere on the planet that isn't inhospitable and you'll see it's covered in farms. Also don't have to worry about pollution in spayce.

>>12790797
That was literally Bezos's idea with O'Neill Cylinders.

>>12790796
Sure, but you're forgetting that it's over 140x the distance away

>>12790796
Gotta start somewhere.

>>12790580
It still has 20 years to catch up since the shuttle had 30 years where F9 has had 10. Its already going to surpsass its flight count and usefulness so i really don't think its fair to prop up the bullshit that was the shuttle

>>12790807
Yeah well he isn't fucking getting anywhere is he now? He should just swallow his fucking pride and team up with Musk. Musk can provide the rockets and Jeff can fund all the R&D to figure out orbital and lunar industrialisation and eventual O'neill cylinder construction. I sure hope when I get into working on ISRU projects I can get this shit on the road. Just need to finish this PhD first.

>>12790811
Yeah, but it's better to spend a lot of time going somewhere useful than a little bit of some going somewhere useless.

>>12790797
Imagine the costs

>>12790811
Being 140x as far from urf is a bonus

>>12790822
I want O’Neil cylinders one day too but they require an already flourishing in-space economy to even begin construction.

>>12790807
Doesn't mean much when he can't even get a rocket into orbit.

>>12790592
Communism is what killed the soviet potential for spaceflight

>>12790822
Good luck m8, I hope there are many fruits from your labor. May I ask what specific field you are in?

If you assume Martian industry exists, will Starships have enough dV and be cheap enough to make mining the belt a thing?

>>12790847
Maybe. Starship isn’t great at anything but it’s “good enough” for getting to mars and back. We aren’t going to the belt until at least 20 or 30 years after the first colony is founded on Mars. By then, I hope you e have NEP and whatnot

>>12790796
I'm just here to shitpost nf-104's and don't know much else, does it really take more deltaV budget to land on moon than mars? I suppose Mars atmosphere helps but on the solar system subway map still Mars added up to a higher budget.

>>12790492
>he doesn't like rats

>>12790552
I still want to see this thing fly. Even if it blows up shortly after.

>>12790797
we should move all the third world populations to work in mines on the moon

>>12790865
Perseverance aerobraked all the way from hyperbolic solar escape orbit to parachute speed in Mars's atmosphere. On the Moon you need rockets to slow down.

>>12790847
Aren't you disregarding further advances in that field? Or do you believe that Spacex will just sit back and cash in upon reaching the plateau that is a working Starship until the rest of the industry catches up eventually?

>>12790685
It's mostly avionics, jet fighters have had this figured out since the MiG/F-15 days. Just because something is inherently aerodynamically unstable doesn't even remotely mean that it can't be made to fly in a straight line, literally every modern fighter jet has already solved this problem.

>>12790761
The raptors performed really well with SN10.

>>12790839
Oh you're absolutely right, we won't be building them just using starships, but starships will give us the power to develop an orbital/lunar industrial base that after being given some time to grow should be able to get pretty close to autarky. Only then can we start considering crazier and larger scale orbital projects.
>>12790844
I'm a geologist by education and an experimental and theoretical hydrothermal geochemist by practice who focuses on thermodynamic properties, I'd specify what element I've been writing my thesis on but that'd make it really easy to dox me.

>>12790881
Does the subway map take that into consideration? I mean I suspected that but still.
I was also shocked that moon was so up there. I mean there's other factors than deltaV but still. Guess that happens if you just eyeballed it all your life in KSP.

>>12790889
I’m convinced that Starship won’t give us a lunar base just because of how fat it is. If ULA is still making ACES, I could see that being used.

>>12790891
>Does the subway map take that into consideration?
The good delta-V maps have a "this segment can be aerobraked" arrow pointing the appropriate way, or some other one. The standard bidirectional values do NOT contain aerobraking adjustments.

https://spacenews.com/nasa-hikes-prices-for-commercial-iss-users/
Read

>>12790897
>I’m convinced that Starship won’t give us a lunar base just because of how fat it is
what

>>12790865
Different anon, I don't know which comes ahead but it's close. Where it really comes ahead is ISRU though. Starship will exist long before anything competitive and it runs on methane, it can't refuel with the moon's paltry resources which severely limits effective d/v. Something meant for the moon would need to run on hydrogen, which is a whole other problem since it's leaking the whole time you're trying to store it, and need a better understanding of its ice deposits than we have right now.

>>12790903
“ The cost to transport one kilogram of cargo up to the station, known as “upmass,” went from $3,000 to $20,000. The cost to bring that one kilogram back down from the station, “downmass,” went from $6,000 to $40,000. One hour of crew member time, previously $17,500, is now $130,000.

The sudden change in prices, which took effect immediately, took some ISS users by surprise. An executive with one company, who spoke on background because that company is still evaluating the impacts of the pricing change, was not aware of NASA’s decision to raise prices until contacted by SpaceNews.”

>>12790908
Why?

>>12790751
was that the magical 450 isp monoprop ssto?

what's the reasoning behind having cheap mexican labor for welders not violating ITAR?

>>12790882
More wondering about the minimal viability level, whether Starship itself is sufficiently cheap as a Martian SSTO to make it worth it

>>12790918
Welding isn't a sensitive technology.

>>12790908
do they want people to make their own stations now

>>12790918
they're too scared to get deported if they divulge confidential information

>>12790918
Because if you don’t hire them you’re racist. SpaceX found a loophole.

>>12790918
they're all legal citizens senor

>>12790908
>Manber said that NASA may be reacting to language in a report accompanying the final fiscal year 2021 appropriations bill, which provided NASA with just $17 million for LEO commercialization efforts, compared to its request of $150 million
Sounds like a typical government issue: fuck fuck fuck we didn't buy enough gold toilets, hike everything up by an order of magnitude to justify our funding

>>12790907
Different anon than the one you replied to but with regards to ISRU and fuel those NTR concepts that theoretically can use water as a reaction mass would undoubtedly be valuable for orbital and interplanetary transport given how ubiquitous water is, also means you don't have to worry about hydrogen storage, nor the energy intensive electrolysis process to generate it.

>>12790907
Wouldn't it be relatively easy to build a slingshot or a gauss cannon on the moon? In my ksp experience, moons gravity is quasi non existent and Earth has atmosphere to brake in. Plus moon is small enough. I don't see fully reusable starship fitting that role. Specially when old vessels could be broken down on moon for infrastructure development.

>>12790420
Bro’s I need some input. Could we colonize the moon? I know it takes more Delta V to land there than going to Mars, I know really it’s inferior in every way compared to Mars, but still, something about it is Kino. Anyhow in an alternate universe where Elon was moon-crazy, could we do it?

>>12790942
I put in the "Starship will exist long before anything competitive" bit for a reason, I'm well aware of what paper rockets can do. Although in addition an NTR for this purpose is utterly useless, no one will ever be taking off or landing NTRs on Earth.

>>12790640
>incase
Kek, they're already aware that's exactly what is happening, there are over a hundred small launcher startups entering the space and Rocket Lab's market share is getting eaten away by rideshare on the Falcon 9. On top of this they're still not profitable, their total amount of revenue brought in last year was less than a single Falcon 9 launch and the end result is that they lost 36 million dollars while operating. This is all before space tugs take the rest of their business which is dedicated smallsat launches to niche orbits.

The Neutron is Rocket Lab's last ditch effort to stay in business. It's possible that they can take over the Cygnus launches but that has a limited shelf life with the end of the ISS. For crewed launches I'm not sure Boeing or Northrop Grumman would let Rocket Lab use their vehicles unless it was very profitable for them as they could just launch it on their own rockets. I'm also not sure NASA would be okay with Soyuz unless it's a last resort, as it was before commercial crew.

This leaves two real sources of revenue, one is beating ULA or SpaceX for military contracts which is hard because iirc the current contracts go until 2027 and they seem to be increasingly disinterested in subsidizing multiple launch providers as the commercial industry now gives them a ton of options and they can just go with the cheapest. The second is competing against SpaceX for commercial launches, this is also a tall order as it's conceivable that the Neutron may one day be cheaper than the Falcon 9 for medium sized payloads, it may not be able to beat Starship which could have a 2 million dollar launch cost once it is developed, far below what they could possibly do with Neutron. While the commercial industry can support multiple providers the same dynamic as the smallsat industry is at play, rideshare and tugs becoming increasingly more common and this favors larger rockets like New Glenn that have cheaper costs by kilogram to orbit.

can elon cure depression

>>12790944
I remember in the Stanford Torus document they suggested using mass drivers to slingshot material to L5 and using that to build the Torus itself, though I can't recall how much math they did for it. I do recall them proposing to basically build a giant net to catch the payloads though lel.

>>12790953
That's what neuralink and cybernetic catgirls are for anon.

>>12790944
There will need to be a lot of development on the Moon before we're slinging stuff off of it with mass drivers. You can also basically chuck mass off of Mars' moons with a clay pigeon thrower but it's meaningless without the infrastructural path in between filled in.

>>12790954
I mean making the return voyage quasi free should be a really high up priority, the voyage for humans from moon to earth isn't unbearably long even with an economy sized mass driver and as for material, if they have a solution to catch it in earth orbit, they could basically launch it raw.

>>12790889
Oh fuck yeah I'm glad I asked. Geologyfag myself. I was offered a position for paid graduate school but I declined. I don't want to dox myself either but I will say that I would have done tourmaline geochem undergraduate research and my advisor wrote the textbook for mineralogy (there are a few so I hope this doesn't narrow it down too much for the sake of my anonymity lol). I currently have to do field camp THIS summer because it got pushed back due to the pandemic, and I have no jobs lined up so I have no clue what I'm going to do after it. I am nervous and scared but the alcohol gets me through. Wish me luck in fining a job anon

>>12790666
RocketLab's renders are shit and not good. Beck said specifically "No composites on Neutron". If you don't believe me that their renders are inaccurate, go take a look at how they massacred Falcon 9.

>>12790704
>No need to do a retarded bellyflop
Gliding is just a long bellyflop with greater complexity and larger dry mass.

>>12790976
Wait I worded that weirdly. I CURRENTLY do geochem undergrad stuff and that would have been my masters stuff as well. I also do martian soil compaction research under another dude and I've gotten to do talks at NASA and stuff. Very fun but very stressful. I met Big Jim and Thomas Zurbuchen though
>>12790918
Musk and Shotwell have probably met with the gov't multiple times concerning this. This is just a guess, but their pitch probably was "everyone will have cameras pointed at us 24/7. As long as we keep our engines and our software secret we should be able to show [mostly] everything to the public"

>>12790779
>>12790796
Kids quiet down, SpaceX will do Moon and Mars at the same time. In fact they'll likely compete with each other in a jolly development race to achieving their own home-grown industrial capacities.

>>12790441
huh... that raptor is surprising intact

>>12791011
Mars is 100% the primary mission, their Moon ship is a "we'll do it if you give us the gibs" side mission

>>12790561
lol butthurt

>>12790949
Sure. Both will be colonized. Everything will be colonized (except Venus, it will be a dumpster planet until basic economics make it valuable enough as a resource of nitrogen and nonvolatile substances that we go there to strip mine it down to nothing. If you think that will never happen then congrats you think Venus will never be colonized.)

I know I'm a retard but wouldn't it make more sense to establish an orbital colony before a lunar/planetary colony, like an O'Neill cylinder or whatever's actually viable? That way you'd be able to rotate people on the surface so they don't turn into jelly and if one station has an emergency everyone can be evacuated to the other.

>>12790925
just make your own station, sweetie

>>12791022
Moon is going to happen because people WILL pay SpaceX to go there, and since the launch window to the Moon opens twice per 24 hours on Earth it's highly likely that Moon missions will have a higher frequency.

>>12790976
>>12791002
Groovy allanite anon, I actually did a bit of work on Rare Earth migration from them during weathering in my undergard (pic related). Field camp is always fun and the experience you get is really valuable when you do interviews for mining companies.
Sounds like you've got to do some pretty exciting stuff - I'm quite jealous. Make sure to talk to your supervisor about future projects or if they know anyone doing projects that sound interesting. There are ISRU projects all over the world if you're into that sort of thing. Just go out and talk to people would be my advice. I managed to score a position at a national lab because my supervisor knew someone doing projects there lel though I don't work there anymore because it was a kind of shit. Good Luck Anon! Maybe we'll end up bumping into each other some day without knowing it.

>>12791050
No reason to do this a as first step. It's a billion ton roadblock in the way of actual space development.
The true first step is to get industry in space in a real way, and the best way to do that is to adapt what we already know to the smallest degree we can get away with, which means spamming Mars with cargo and equipment. Once we have industry on Mars, even if people turn to jelly after 5 years in 3/8ths g, we will simply have people rotating back to Earth after spending a couple years working on Mars, until we are at the point of being able to use our Mars industries to support Phobos mining operations, which lets us develop zero G mining and manufacture, which then lets us built thousands of massive spinning habitats in Mars orbit fairly rapidly and for much less cost in total than building a single habitat out of material launched from Earth.

>>12791050
A big orbital like that needs gigatons of mass. With that kind of capacity you could have easily assembled cities on Mars before you even have a small settlement in an orbital. It doesn't make sense to make large orbitals until deep into colonization to use as staging bases.

>>12791057
this, I think the reason Elon doesn't give a shit about the moon is because it's already locked in, the moon isn't going anywhere
You can leave on Christmas and be back by New Years

>>12791058
You can't fool me that's just a map of some city.

>>12791074
Space travel difficulty being measured in terms of delta-V and $/T instead of travel time goes so totally against people's intuition that it's easy even for nerds to mess up. That's probably why the orbital station meme keeps hanging around.

>Shit guys, how do we make back our losses for the SLS program?
>hmmmm... I have an idea!
pic related

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1367644208664879106?s=21
>>12791058
I hope we meet some day my friend. I’ll likely just be getting a job to survive but I might get back into academia eventually. I’m in the top of my class and all my professors keep giving me grief for not signing up for grad school. I’m just burned out from school at the moment

>>12791094
Rip the ISS I guess

>>12791078
If he says he’s going to the moon on his own then he’ll never get money to do it
If he can get billions from NASA for doing essentially what he’s already doing, plus some meme landing thrusters since NASA are pussies, then that’s great

>>12791074
>>12791072
Thank you for the answers.

>>12790797
Thats the dream

>>12791094
While I can't say much about grad school in the US I can tell you that in Australia at least it is incredibly relaxing. But taking a break is fine too. A lot of people go out into the world for a few years then come back later to do their PhD. Though I can't imagine it myself as I love academia.
>>12791085
Weird fucking city. Pic related is an XFM map of it and the area around it.

>>12790807
You know, that's one hell of a nightmare scenario. Planetary agriculture outlawed, while patent crops grow in orbital stations and are harvested and shipped back to Earth by drones. The ultimate megacorporate control scheme.

>>12791137
Nice screenshot of Metroid Prime.

>>12791185
"Now you're just pulling my leg"

>imagines jessie anderson as princess ruto
why am I like this?

Post Starship legs ideas. Make it simple and make it cheap.
Remember: the beat part is no part.

>>12790779
>The lunatic is in my head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhYKN21olBw

>>12791209
BACK OVER THE WALL, CARLOS

>>12791214
>ITS.jpg

>>12790516
>jessie anderson as princess ruto
why am i like this

>>12791230
You want her to sit on your head and nag you? Or the grown up Ruto where she constantly hounds you for marriage and reproduction?

>>12790516
>>12791230
This is some shit I would have a vivid dream about lol

>>12791227
the guy pulling it was white. its funny how lap padre island is like 95% white and the inland region around brownsville is like 80% mexican

>>12790797
>Then we could have the Earth all lovely and forested again
The earth will never be as it used to be before people fucked it. Why do people believe this crap?
The best chance, at least for the short term and possibly forever, without rebuilding the earth from scratch (and therefore defining what the Earth should be as a thing), is build maintainable space ships that can support a degree of small localised environments for sustaining agriculture.

This is incredibly difficult to do in a gravity-less vacuum with no protection from radiation and an incredible appetite for materials to maintain itself.
That being said, you could build sustainable small localised environments on the moon, but you'd still have gravity and radiation problems (oh and the problem with the earth's shadow). You need sufficient gravity just to manifest a stable humid environment.

Here is a revolutionary idea. But why not license super heavy boosters. To put your own space ships up there. Assuming there is an adapter why not, shoot it up your very own titanium hydrogen powered shuttle or something. It seems like you could already start developing some alternate giant stages

>>12790516
Sure wish we could SRM ourselves into space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQOIQTRM5Y

>>12791233
I want her to vibrate violently on a treasure chest.

>>12791253
I'm more expecting SpaceX to rent out or lease Starship hulls. Be like, "Heres a starship hull, here's the dry mass limit, dont break these items, call us when you're done and we'll put the engines on and launch it."
They could do hulls with pre-fabbed interiors that the customer just loads up with their desired payloads, or they could do empty hulls that could be customized completely by the customer.

>>12791272
>hehe just rent a icbm

>>12791276
chadyes.webp

>>12791271
>>12791272
Thats retarded, why would spacex not just launch commercial payloads the way it already does with falcon 9?

>>12791272
I think they'll probably use starships just to push things into orbit. I don't think they'd allow people to customize it because of regulations and what not. But using the booster as a giant falcon 9. Now that seems like a fun time. But more precisely because the booster invokes those types of vehicles into existence.

>>12791214
> long legs straight up the side
> 30 degree max angle to ground
> one way ratcheting, locks in full downward position
> pyrotechnic igniters for the latches
> unlatch on the flip to vertical, gravity does the rest

>>12791282
>>12791286
Starship will allow companies to build their own in space spacecraft and space stations for very cheap. Orbital assembly will actually become viable.

>>12791094
kind of a dick move

>>12791214
Just catch it on the top fins just like they intend with the booster

>>12791271
I WANT TO BELIEVE

>>12790952
>The Neutron is Rocket Lab's last ditch effort to stay in business

Pretty dumb to develop an entirely new engine (using the wrong fuel cycle) and entirely new vehicle for something that MIGHT be competitive with Falcon 9. Going to take them at least 4-5 years and by then starship will have raped the commercial market. Anyone trying to compete needs to drop their shit right now and start building something similar to starship. two stage, fully reusable FFSC methane fuel cycle with cheap steel construction. The only use case I can see for neutron is for launching satellite constellations for competitors who are seething too much at Starlink to buy Starship rides. Even then it's a pretty shit use case honestly, by the time they get some decent money out of it and try to develop a starship knockoff, SpaceX will be fucking weyland yutani, own 99% of shit in space and have a sizeable amount of people on Mars.

>>12791293

>>12791300
And on Mars and the Moon?

>>12791293
Space yacht clubs when?

>>12791303
You absolutely do not need FFSC engine, a super cheap methane gas generator would be ample
Steel is obviously the way to go, without retarded shit like isogrid milled walls

Then again, the 750 million they raised is hardly enough money to let the go direct for a super heavy rocket

>BRAAAAAPs on your face

>>12791293
We don't really know that. But it could happen. Betting on those orbital assembly guys is not crazy. SpaceX has a ton of incentives to partner with another company to do oribtal construction. Mostly because starship needs to fly, and you need a reason for not just like 10, but hundred starships to fly.

Elon wants a city. Elon wants a space port. Elon wants a large economy on space based ventures. And he has already done the hard park. Fun fact the US goverement does not really care that much about crazy billionares in space. In fact they seem to welcome it.

>>12791245
You're a platinum-grade retard if you think that the Earth's biosphere is incapable of recovering from human influence. Literally look at the billions of dollars spent on keeping all our infrastructure from falling apart or how quickly plants and animals take over abandoned areas like Chernobyl. On a geological scale we don't even measure the width of a fucking pubic hair. To further add the biosphere has recovered from and flourished after far greater catastrophes than our little incursion, everything from gamma ray bursts, the entirety of India and Siberia erupting, the whole planet freezing over and colossal asteroidal impacts. If we were to disappear now, you'd be hard pressed to find anything left of our 'mighty' civilizations after 100,000 years which is a blink of an eye in the Earth's 4.6 billion year history.

>>12791323

>>12791324
Pretty sure the US government would start freaking the fuck out if a bunch of Iranians or Yemenis could lift a few hundred tonnes into orbit on a whim.
You don't even need bombs at orbital speeds, just a piece of tungsten.

>>12791324
>In fact they seem to welcome it.

Take a political reality check my man. The media is already shitting on SpaceX, he isn't playing the political game like other big aerospace companies. How are all these psycho government fucks going to react when mass white flight starts happening off world? They can't even stand white people living in their own fucking neighbourhoods.

>>12791334
Yeah. I never said spaceX would service those nations on the global shitlist. And the Russians likely wouldn't, just out of pride.

>>12791334
That's what the USSF is for. Good timing. Almost like it's not a coincidence.

>>12790906
You heard me.

>>12791323
O-oh excuse me anon I can't help myse-

*BRAAAAAAAAAAAP*

>>12791338
The media is not politics. Politics is actually down stream from the shit show the media carries out. Poliically spaceX helps nasa and has connections to the Airforce and DoD. What the media does is a whole story entirely, and realistically SpaceX gets really good press overall.

Is this the power of oldspace?
>>12791324
I wasn't talking about the orbital assembly company. I was talking about the idea of orbital assembly.

>>12791330
Unless you could somehow define how the earth should be to begin with, it is literally impossible to do as you say without making a blind assumption of what the Earth should be.

>>12791346
Reality check status: not taken

>>12791343
>>12791343
Based America defending it's greatest ally in the middle east at any financial, political or human cost.

>>12791355
reality check status: not taken

If spaceX was an enemy of the regime. They would have never made it. the only reason they ever did was state involvement. They could have easily been buried otherwise. The only reason they are here today is because the chain always had slack in it

>>12791368
Ok my man, you wait and see the reaction of the worlds biggest woke superpower when white people try to fuck off and setup their own planet.

>>12791351
Yeah. But the company is the closest approximation of the idea in current circulation and as they are relatively small it would be relatively easy to control and dominate. but also someone like them is necessary. Space demand needs like trillions of capital put in to actually spark something relatively growth oriented in space

>>12791346
The media does whatever gets them clicks and keywords like Musk, China, Trump, Bitcoin etc get them revenue way more than other topics.
So they'll write anything they fucking can on those things even when there's nothing to say.

>>12791382
The politics and rhetoric of the media is directly in line with the ruling party in the US, have you been paying any attention?

>>12791359
What else are Goyim for?

Redpill me on Starbase

>>12791374
It will be the same as when we fucked off to set up our own continent; subverted from day 0 and ultimately under total blind obedience.

>>12791388
Disney World

>>12791374
it won't be just white people. That's your first mistake. The biggest anti woke shield is too out woke the woke. or at least match the on minorities. You are also retarded if you think the current state is just 'woke'. There are many power blocks. Most of which will likely not care. And get this big business is turning democratic and conservatives like rockets because national security and muh heritage.

it would take a lot for things to go as bad as you are saying.

>>12791332
we've all been there.

>>12791417
Imagine thinking any successful space colony won't be at least 90% white males. But yeah bro I'm sure your forced diversity colony will work just fine, like the rest of America.

>>12791293
Was the shot of green flame out the engine ever explained here? Engine rich ignition?

>>12791187
holy fucking BASED

>>12791440
Wet brap.

>>12790420
new starship renders, ai upscaled

>>12791440
Just a bit of copper, it's fine.

>>12791444
based and checked

>>12791020

It's good, they can tear it apart and inspect.

>>12791429
Yeah are slavs white? are poles white? are irish white? are scotts white? get the fuck outa here. You talk like a fucking american with no cultural heritage outside of being a throw away from britian. There is no 'white' just like there is no 'black' outside of the hodge podge make believe of fucking america.

>>12790482
Ahahah what cope is this?

Musk has revolutionized space and hasn't even stopped. I hope it's a troll otherwise it's a 80iq post

>taking a round trip to Mars behind 6mm of aluminum
I fart in your general direction!

>>12790492
That's me

>Stay on earth fag, no cowards allowed on Mars.

>>12791429
but how will you reproduce faggot-kun?

>>12791474
>Yeah are slavs white? are poles white? are irish white? are scotts white?

Yes, yes and yes, as you well know. Just like how there are many different kinds of Africans that fall under the label of "black". I actually live in England and can trace my lineage here back 600 years to the royal family, but nice strawman.

>>12790520
>it appears my superiority has lead to some controversy

Reposting this one more time as it is less active now. All of the space stocks are on sale if anyone is interested. Here is a list you can look into:

MAXR - Maxar Technologies
ACCMF - AAC Clyde Space
SFTW - BlackSky
SRAC - Momentus
NPA - AST & Science
VACQ - Rocket Lab
and if you really hate yourself,
HOL - Astra
BA - Boeing

Disclaimer:
No one can fully predict what will happen in the stock market or in life, share prices could easily drop more. Don't invest what you cannot afford to lose.

>>12791543
Literally not a single thing there worth a fuck, except maybe Momentus, interesting wording they chose on their website too.

>>12791543
Isn't Boing space stuff in a few different subsidiaries? that ticker is nearly all aviation revenue and rightly down because their planes keep falling apart, I'd be pretty wary of space ventures from an investment view, pretty much up there with biotechs in risk.

>>12791540
> page 1 /sfg/ trollposting
great work sir, you surely rustled their jimmies this time

>>12791551
holy kek, I've changed my mind and might just invest now.

>>12791543
Now i understand the tweet. Ty homie <3

What exactly is it that is burning during landing? Having 20 metre tall flames doesn't seem entirely optimal

>>12790681
there are lots of rocket clubs in yurp

New Thunderf00t soaceX video :)

>>12791581
The second engine seems to cut out early. Either that engine failed or the 1st failed as it was shutting down and caused damage inside the skirt. I'm thinking it's the latter as you see green in the engine exhaust from engine #2 and it looks to keep feeding propellant causing the giant flames

>>12791551
Haha just a coincidence bro haha nothing to see there

>>12791552
Yeah, it was just a joke, Boeing is so large that space related activity doesn't account for much, which I guess would be good for when SLS gets cancelled. Most space stocks are a much better investment than biotech where the vast majority of drugs never get final approval and it's so hit and miss. With space stocks you have both the value side and the growth side, Maxar for example has pretty good traditional fundamentals despite the pandemic, the other stocks I listed are growing at a very fast rate.
>>12791551
Most of them are great innovative companies and Starship destroying launch prices is opening the industry back up, a lot of money will flow into it over the next decades. Maxar and BlackSky will get a ton of business from the increased revisit rates enabled by imagery constellations and the data analytics that can be created from it. AAC Clyde is a major smallsat producer offering SaaS, if you want a satellite put into space they'll do everything for you and just give you back the data. Momentus has a great opportunity to eat the small and medium launch market with their orbit transfer vehicles. AST has virtually no competition and their technology allows for any phone to be used as a satellite phone anywhere on earth.

>>12791593
>>12791581
The first one crashed because the engine failed lite on time, so this time they lit three, and shut off two.
I think the green flame is melting skirt as well.
I think I read the other flame has something to do with releasing excess maybe from that engine shutdown, but I definitely read it was normal and intentional

I also just read falcon 9 green flame is because the engine is lit with triethylaluminium and triethylborane, but that’s for Merlyn idk about raptor, otherwise it’s vaporized copper I guess?

>>12791543
don't do this it makes mustard gas

>>12791604
AST has definitely piqued my interest. However their success will depends heavily on their rates though. For the majority of big dick players who are outside of service areas such as marine, airline and remote mining type industries, starlink will serve their needs far better. It's a niche provider for travelers (covid fucked this) and people who live and work rurally (starlink and VOIP is also viable for these people). I would have said people on sailboats is a nice market since they won't be stable enough for starlink but covid has fucked that too.

>>12791581
A valve leak that’s it. The flame wouldn’t have killed her if it wasn’t for the hard landing.

>>12791593
Nah it came down fast but it didn’t accelerate. That means that SN10 thought she was supposed to land at 6.7 m/s and actively held that speed

>>12791619
I’ve seen the gif that’s not it. Are you a bot? I don’t get it
>>12791623
How do you know it’s a valve leak. You’re sure?

>>12791635
Not sure about the valve leak thing but I am sure that an engine didn’t cut out early.

>>12791635
did you not get the joke that you're shilling space stocks and I just blew up 20% of my portfolio on space stocks in the last month

>>12791620
>>12791604
you'd think a large telco would be interested if the speed and coverage is possible. a satellite constellation ain't cheap, but then neither is upgrading infrastructure once a decade when 5/6/7g rolls out.

How painful would suicide-by-vacuum-exposure be?

>>12791640
>but I am sure that an engine didn’t cut out early.
So the engine cut out late?
https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1357256507847561217
They definitely cut two engines this time (up from zero last time) because they lit three.

>>12791604
Boing aint going anywhere in the next few decades, if you are a value investor, maybe it's decent I don't really know.

> Most of them are great innovative companies and Starship destroying launch prices is opening the industry back up
I've seen so many go under though, it's all about funding and cashburn. Based Bigelow is kill, that asteroid mining company got bought by a fucking crypto ico who then public domained all their IP lol.
This is a perpetual thing -> big dreams, raise funds, burn it all, close shop.
That said I don't disagree with the premise at all and think it's on point, if you have a medium term outlook definitely go investing into stocks that will benefit greatly from lower launch costs, and note that's not always space startups. Things like Blacksky already turn a profit at current costs and likely face serious sovereign risk in the future. I'd focus on things that can't afford to get orbital access right now.

Also join the mumble you tards.
> 192.53.170.32

>>12791620
>>12791648
They're partnering with major carriers like Vodafone, when you leave the normal coverage area you'll get a message on your phone if you want to get extend your service. The rates for call/text probably won't be that bad seeing as they're targeting areas like Africa but for internet will probably never be close to something like Starlink and what you can get for fixed locations. This isn't that big of a deal, their total addressable market is absolutely giant because of everyone living without cell service, it will be many years before Starlink gets their terminal and subscription cost down enough to target this demographic.
>>12791619
Kek, I'm down almost 70k from the recent stock holocaust. I wish I had more money to buy the dip.

>>12791657
If it was slow enough, you would experience hypoxia and it would be euphoric until you were lights out
Happens to pilots in pressure suits without enough pressure
If it was fast I think it would also be painless as well kind of like when a diver goes up quickly without depressurizing. It’s so painless, people commit suicidal that way a lot

>>12791657
It's about 10-15 seconds before loosing conciousness. Somewhat the same as drowning (I think drowning is a bit longer)
>>12791685
> kind of like when a diver goes up quickly without depressurising
You survive for a long time after that in agony with the bends. Even from crazy deep dives you'll be alive for a fair while, unless you've internally ruptured your lungs through improper breathing.
t.diver

>>12791664
No I think cutting out was fine. I think a software error meant that the engine didn’t cancel its velocity well enough

what proportion of starships that go to mars will come back for reuse? will they land on earth again or stay in leo for refuelling/reloading?

>>12791721
Crew return on one ship required 4 left behind, transferring their extra fuel to the return vehicle, from what I read long ago.
You can lower this with ISRU but that's got all the energy/mining tradeoffs that can't fuck up once you have surface ops.

>>12791721
They will be staying for the forseeable. Once you chop out the two prop bulkheads you have a gigantic fucking pressurised space for living. The price of that on Mars is tremendous compared to the free rocket you just landed in. A bare handful will go back with the NASA diversitynauts and the hold filled with deinstalled raptors.

>>12791729
i'm thinking more in line with the mars to stay concept. everything that goes down that gravity well (people, infrastructure) stays there. so i'm wondering if the economics stack up for relaunching used starships and sending them back to urf either for straight reuse or refurb.

>>12791623
>A valve leak
wasn't there a valve issue befere the launch?

fuck thunderf00t

>>12791729
>Crew return on one ship required 4 left behind
This is why the starships themselves will be habs and all those proont/tunnel spergs are fucking retards.

>>12791746
gross

>>12791746
No thanks. I think your post was meant to read something like "kill thunderf00t"

>>12791738
Mars has a comfy escape though with no atmosphere. It's a great place to start from going to the belt or outer system.

>>12791685
Interesting. I think a gun is still better tho

>>12791747
Not that convinced about hab conversions for starships. Living in big circles of metal aren't really the best for protection or space maximisation. Galactic radiation through stainless causes a lot of secondary radiation.
They were built to be storage tanks, why just not modify them and keep it around for fuel storage tanks + emergency backup habs?

>>12791657
How does the idea of your saliva and fluid on your eyes boiling away sound?

>>12791770
If you haven't solved those issues for habitation on mars you've certainly not solved them for the journey there.

>>12791775
Pretty gnarly but if anything less gnarly than the brain exploding

>>12791775
Numb from intense cold.

>>12791729
????? If you can’t do ISRU then there is no going to mars at all ever

>>12791721
All come back except for initial starships which are scrapped, maybe engines taken off and shipped home eventually

Not sure if this anime of SNX's been posted yet
https://youtu.be/y7ADmOhJhPI

>>12791793
>everyone wearing face diapers outside

Disgusting
So much onions

I'm really curious as to why Momentus hasn't sold out all their flights yet, their prices seem really decent and should beat the Electron in a few areas like SSO flights. Even Astra has a backlog of 50 flights, seems customers are way less trusting of space tugs on the back of the Falcon 9 than meme launchers who haven't reached orbit. What am I missing?

>>12791770
Circles are fine for utilising space, you just need to have curve conforming cupboards/drawers/whatever on the exterior, boats and aeroplanes have been dealing with this "problem" since they were fucking invented. In regard to radiation you just lie them sideways and pile regolith on top.

>b-but what if they depressurize and the weight of the regolith crushes the people inside
>implying they wouldn't be fucking dead anyway from the depressurisation

>>12791805
>Astra has a backlog of 50 flights
lmao. i smell corruption.

>>12791793
Interesting little things you can hear
>ship control 4 shit itself on the pad

>>12791657
that depends if you hold your breath and how fast you open your airlock/helmet
if you go from 1 bar to 0 bar instantly, your lungs will be damaged from air expanding, especially if you try holding air in
raptured lungs, eardrums, sinuses, bruises from pressure diference - it would be extremly painful (4u)

if you let your suit depresurize slowly, vaccum sucks all air from your lungs and you get knocked out within 30 seconds - relatively painlessly

I wouldn't be worried about bends - that take several minutes or even hours to set in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkynjC4x048

>>12791810
Yo dawg, I heard investors like backlogs so we put a backlog on your backlog so you'll have customers when you have customers.

>>12791810
>>12791822
Absolutely

not

fucking

legit

>>12791822
and still;
>not a single successful launch
it reeks of defence backhanders. so they'll probably do well.

>>12791822
The BLM rocket shan't succeed, and it still hasn't.

>>12791793
Rocket falling from the sky looks ridiculous.

>in 2016, Ventions, LLC was a small San Francisco based aerospace research and design firm with a 10+ year history developing aerospace technology in partnership with NASA [8] and DARPA.
>Following the 2016 reincorporation, Ventions, LLC. employees expanded to a new building at Naval Air Station Alameda, known as "Orion", due to its location at 1690 Orion Street, Alameda, CA 94501.
nope. nothing untoward here. move on. look away.

>>12791822
50 launches of what? SpaceX gets like half that in a year. what a load of horseshit

>>12791806
> Taking huge storage tanks for methane/O2 and converting them into habitable space
> Importing other storage tanks to instead store your methane/O2
This is my problem.
Use them for what they were built for. There's enough cargo space already to have optimal human-friendly habs rather than wasting resources modifying a pre-built spacecraft when it can still do what it was originally designed to do. Even something not rated for human flight anymore can fly low-cost missions to the outer solar system.
Garage DIY engineering is fine in an emergency. Not when you have other options

>>12791747
based

>>12791842
>modifying a pre-built spacecraft

It's a metal tube designed to hold pressure, it will continue to do exactly that. Chopping out two bulkheads is hardly a drastic labour intensive modification. You absolutely do not fucking need every single starship that lands to be a propellant depot. That is an absurd waste of premade living space that will never be fully utilised. You might at best need one in five or one in ten to be fuel depots.

>>12791187
it's been 4 years since it was teased
...

>>12791857
Just send a few ships to crash land at max speed and dig ditches for other ships to land in, then bury them like plants for extra protection.

>>12791839
50 launches of 150 kg at $2.5 million each, I suppose. SpaceX can do 13,150 kg for $50 million. Just one Falcon 9 launch is almost double their entire backlog, if it even exists. I doubt Astra can be profitable at that price and they're like four times more expensive than SpaceX, lots of room there for rideshare and OTVs to disrupt them.

Another thing is that they're much cheaper than the Electron which is what, 300 kg for a base price of around $6 million? Not sure what's going on there, maybe it's cheaper to produce as it's not made from carbon composite or they're discounting it even more than Rocket Lab discounts the Electron.

>>12791822
And what sorta payment do they have to pay to book a launch, what penalty does astra incur if they don’t deliver... and is there even satellites being made for those dates

>>12791839
SpaceX only did 13 paid launches last year
Should be more this year, maybe

wonder what song spacex plans on using for the next blooper reel

>>12791896
It's a real mystery. Astra also said they will have 1.5 billion dollars in revenue in 2025 which implies 600 launches a year. Can you imagine how much of a logistical nightmare that would be?

Local tv showed footage of the ascent and the post-landing explosion but did not mention the landing:
>"SpaceX rocket explodes again during testing"
We have special places in Hell for traitors, and lawyers. But... what about journalists?

>>12791770
>Galactic radiation
Good thing they are stuck on the surface of a planet I guess...

>>12791906
Unimportant spot in hell nobody pays attention to.

>>12791905
>It's a real mystery
it isn't. it's an oldspace nuspace company living off grants from various government branches.

>>12791905
NASA or DoD launches are probably worth double what they would charge a business but still, lotta people are assuming the launch market is going to incease and I’m sceptical about that, how many snowflake orbit small sats are there people willing to buy?

>>12791931
Currently it’s been living off investors throwing hundreds of millions at them

>>12791906
Journalists occupy the worst and most terrible sphere of hell. Using your modern day printing presses/public squares to knowingly spread deliberate lies and slander to the populace is on a tier with pedophiles and murderers. If not worse.

>>12791906

>>12791951
Based friendly whale

>>12791926
Can't tell if this is topnotch trolling or pure non-/sfg/ retardation.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/windows-com-bitsquatting-hack-can-wreak-unknown-havoc-on-pcs/

>>12791950
According to Dante, liars/false prophets get sent to the 8th circle, called the Malebolge. Traitors get the 9th (worst) circle. Murderers get the 7th circle.

>>12791988
I meant that cosmic rays are drastically reduced on the surface of the planet courtesy of

>a. roughly 50% of the galactic view being obscured by a planetary body
>b. n% of the galactic rays blocked by atmosphere where the rate of absorption is highest toward the horizon and lowest at the zenith

TLDR: if your computers ran during the unprotected journey, they'll run better on Mars.

The ships can act perfectly as habs. Hell, they'll act as better habs than many proposed habs during the years courtesy of being roughly thousand cubic meters in volume not counting the empty fuel tanks.

No need for meme printing or other bullshit. When the population rises just build out of mars concrete on the surface like real men - we are humans, not dwarves.

>>12791604
>Maxar and BlackSky will get a ton of business from the increased revisit rates enabled by imagery constellations and the data analytics that can be created from it
I've heard Planet Labs aren't doing as much business as they'd hoped

>>12790766
Look at this rusty piece of rubble.

>>12792029
Interesting. It could be that they generally have worse resolution then their competitors, and I don't think the military gives them much money for that reason as it's not useful to them. 5-10 a day revisit rate isn't that good either, WorldView Legion should be up to 15 times and that is still far from ideal. It also could just be that we haven't yet found all the uses for technology like this and it's hard to conceptualize how you can use it. Surely having real-time surveillance over the entire world must have a total addressable market of more than forty billion, or whatever it is.

>>12792124
>Surely having real-time surveillance over the entire world must have a total addressable market of more than forty billion, or whatever it is.
Thats the question. Tons of hype but there's a way to go to realise it. I recently built some tools for attempted machine learning around ports to estimate trade volumes from ship and container activity. Problem I had was getting imagery of the same area day to day that was properly colour balanced etc between days and not wrecked by fucking cloud cover. Absolutely agree resolution, revisit time and coverage is critical.

On another topic has anyone done an online course like this? https://www.udemy.com/course/rocket-science/?utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=udemyads&utm_campaign=Webindex_Catchall_la.EN_cc.UK&utm_term=_._ag_114213220700_._ad_480613943689_._kw__._de_m_._dm__._pl__._ti_dsa-52949608673_._li_1006583_._pd__._&matchtype=b&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0dzwqPWY7wIVFO3tCh1BDAiuEAAYASAAEgLz9_D_BwE

>>12791618
Green Merlin is TEA-TEB and normal. Green Raptor is oxygen rich and copper being stripped screaming from the mix.

>>12790548
Ready for his fourth spacewalk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRDASIpSfzQ

>>12791902
Telstar by The Tornadoes

All in all it's been a good week.
Starship failed successfully with its dingle, dangle, dingle legs.
And the CPU I ordered almost FIVE MONTHS ago has arrived in town.

>>12792200
My battery died and I needed a jump, then I ran out of gas in the driveway of the gas station
Also I missed the starlink launch

>>12792187
Why does he have peeps in his helmet?

>>12792214
Those are for scratching his chin and nose

from new dearmoon renders, check out the legs here. seems slick, subtle raising, four in total?

>>12792217
Why would they use peeps to scratch his face?

>>12792221
I can't even see them

>>12792223
Why not?

>>12792214
So he can snack on them if he gets hungry or feels tired. Spacewalks are very intensive and peeps are a good source of energy.

>>12792226
>>12792221

>>12792221
Those fins are much thinner too

>>12792231
>>12792221
Landing leg 2.0 I imagine. Elon mentioned them in like August so they should be coming along nicely. I wonder if they can retrofit them on SN11.

>>12792231
Looks like they need a redesign of bottom part to make them rigid.

>>12792237
looks similar to HLS render legs, just wider and fewer

>>12792223
They're not peeps

https://youtu.be/UjCdB5p2v0Y?t=90

>>12792187
Still something. Last time Soichi was out there, ISS looked like this.

>>12792249
I'm not sure, the HLS render legs looked like the worked similar to the current Starship legs, but Elon implied the 2.0 legs would work similar to Falcon 9 so maybe they fold outwardly. They are pretty short and stubby but the base of Starship is much more stable so maybe it works out.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1290819191835164672

>>12791543
I wouldn't go for these
putting money into launch providers other than SpaceX is very, very silly and SpaceX is privately held so far
If you want to put money into space stonks, you put them in payload providers instead
>Thales Alenia
>OHB
>Loral Space
>Lockheed
>Airbus/Safran
>Grumman (ATK Orbital)
>Boing

>>12792268
arent elon tweets out of date within 24 hours

>>12792285
The problem with that is that most of the large aerospace companies get a lot of revenue from other sources so space exposure is more limited, thus the potential upside, and they're still old space companies headed in the wrong direction. Being able to build large expensive GEO sats and stupidly expensive parts doesn't mean much anymore. They're not going to be able to compete as well in the increasingly smallsat dominated payload market where weight doesn't matter as much and you can afford to take more risks as launch costs are so cheap. This area could be a race to the bottom, other parts of the industry have much more profit potential. Only Rocket Lab and Astra are competing against SpaceX, the other companies I listed stand to benefit from Starship.

Can't wait for the Interplanetary Wars of the Rocket Lab Venusians in their floating cities against the Muskites of Mars in their underground tunnels and domes.

>>12791543
>S Tier:
Momentus. They stand to have a massively symbiotic relationship with Starship enabling Starship to eat up even the niche orbits for smallsats.
>A Tier:
Black Sky and Spire. Information is very valuable. Again, they will only benefit from Starship.
>C (possibly B) Tier:
AST. Will be competing to some extent with Starlink.
>D Tier:
Rocket Lab and Astra. They'll be lucky just to survive after Starship. If Momentus does get to working with Starship then they're completely dead.
>E Tier:
Virgin Galactic. Basically a ponzi scheme.
Any and all companies attempting to put things into orbit themselves are on death's door.
>>12792164
Pretty sure they have stuff that can just ignore clouds now. I think hullo even made a video on it.

NASA administrator candidate to be announced today

>POLITICO's space newsletter says a nomination for NASA administrator could come today. (I've heard the same).
>Bill Nelson remains the most likely choice although I've heard nothing definitive.
https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1367812594053054466
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-space/2021/03/05/what-blue-origin-has-in-store-for-its-demo-on-the-moon-491997

>>12792463
Berger said that the new administrator will be female.

>>12792466
You had a good run, NASA.

> Not joining the mumble
> Not having actual conversations
> Fighting off /sci/ brainlets until the general hits page 3
> Wasting away in this hell of frogposters
> Filling out captchas on 900 post threads
Why do you do it anons?
Join the mumble server, with comfy wholesomeness, no underage posters and high quality discussion on spaceflight topics
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>>12792483
We're having conversations here, not on your gay ass mumble server.

>>12792428
All sounds about right. I am still rooting for Rocket Lab but they're zagging while the market is saying zig. Hope it works out for them.

>>12792489
> He doesn't know
OK buddy.

>>12792503
You and your bot? Awesome mumble server you got there.

>>12792507
Thanks for noticing, it is awesome. Enjoy your frogposting and captchas.

>>12792508
Having a successful maneuver to reference makes it so much more unsatisfying

>>12792508

Out of all the three launches so far, SN8 still looks the best because of the absolute clear weather that day.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1367812594053054466
>POLITICO's space newsletter says a nomination for NASA administrator could come today. (I've heard the same). Bill Nelson remains the most likely choice although I've heard nothing definitive.
bros...

>>12792530
And then comes the noxious braaaaaaaap and ruins the day completely.

>>12792513

>>12792164
These courses are just one of those space handbooks read out loud. If you learn well with a teacher it's ok to get a better feel, but this is just skimming the surface if you want to actually learn anything at all. Would be much better to just work through Space Mission Engineering (Wertz) and take your own notes than to do it. Do general courses only if you want a general understanding of what to focus after.

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>>12792635
>page 10
>not even image limit or close to bump limit
what the fuck anon

>>12792649
>not close to bump limit
>page 10
Anon...

>>12792649
R-retardo-kun

>>12792649
dogpile this cunt