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>> No.12767059

>>12699713
>Previous thread

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What makes an engineering student stand out from his peers other than having above-average grades?
I know personal projects are one, which is why I ordered a bunch of tools so I can have my own bench set up but what about are others?

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What makes an engineering student stand out from his peers other than having above-average grades?
I know personal projects are one (to demonstrate an interest/passion in the field outside of academics), which is why I ordered a bunch of tools so I can have my own bench set up but what about the others?

>> No.12767093

>>12767074
Not being socially inept and demonstrating that during the interview

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Is it worthwhile for people with a bachelor of science in fields like chemistry, biochemistry, and neuroscience to try and enter industry upon graduation? Is a graduate degree (Msc. or PhD) typically necessary to develop meaningful career progression? I don't wish to slave away in academia if not required, but am willing to do that if it's necessary.
t. soon graduating from low/mid tier Canadian university

>> No.12767902

Where's the hardest country to do a PhD in? I'm a math PhD student and one of our post docs did part of his PhD in Germany. He said some students were basics slaves to their supervisor, acting as code monkeys for 10, 12+ hours a day.

>> No.12768425

>>12767074
Good selection of school projects if applicable in the field/school. Having an interesting and useful final project gives you something to talk and be remembered for in an interview.

>> No.12768616

Are there good career opportunities for a BS in Biochem or am I doomed to be a lab monkey unless I get a PhD?

>> No.12768640

>>12767525
I have basically the same question.
From what I have heard you will be stuck washing flasks unless you get a PhD

>> No.12768667

>>12767074
>Not being socially inept
Shit, I stutter a lot because sometimes I get tripped up on pronouncing words with too many syllables. Hopefully, they'll let me go on that part.
>>12768425
Ah, I don't have a lot of school projects applicable to jobs that I want to apply for, I'll just put something down for now so it doesn't look empty.
>Having an interesting and useful final project
I'm currently 2 years away from graduating because I messed up for a year so I don't have to think about final projects anytime soon. I should most definitely do interesting projects as you said though!

>> No.12768775

>>12768667
>Shit, I stutter a lot
That's not what I am referring to, anon. Separate yourself from autist applicants who are incapable of maintaining eye contact or making small talk.

>> No.12768821

>>12767074
Leadership
Networking
Volunteering activities (specially for niche careers like mining or oil)

>> No.12768844

I'll be interviewing the director of engineering on Thursday for what is probably my last and best shot at a good position. No pressure.

>> No.12768865

is transferring from bsc physics to maths a bad idea?

>> No.12769183

>Graduate 3 years ago, BS ChemE
>Been doing lab monkey and non engi Excel jobs ever since
>My resume at this point probably looks neither great nor terrible, and every single boss I've had has been willing to have their # handed out as a reference
>Lost Excel job in October, was a NEET and now in comm. college for CS

My question is, is a coursework only Masters at a not-very-good (but still accredited) school at the very least good enough to get me a job as a process engineer or a quality engineer? The bar should be pretty low since I don't feel any interest in corporate R&D. Any pointers on Masters' as terminal degrees? Especially a non-thesis MS? I am a midwit who managed to barely get an above 3.0 GPA at my BS institution through Christ-like suffering. Mostly the MS would be a means to an end, not something I'd enjoy.

>> No.12769616

Just got hired as a teaching assistant/lecturer, how the FUCK do I do this? Do I have to prepare the lecture beforehand?
>>12769183
I don't see any value in coursework only masters. Projects > courses, even if you do the projects on your own, as long as you can show them to people.

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12769621

How based is my life going to be after finishing my B.Sc in Geology?

>> No.12769622

>>12769616
>Do I have to prepare the lecture beforehand?
unless you want to stutter in front of a blackboard for 60+ minutes, I would highly recommend it.

>> No.12769634

>>12769616
>Do I have to prepare the lecture beforehand?
If you've been teaching for years and know the material like the back of your hand with only some minor guidance, then you don't need to. Otherwise, you should probably start opening up that powerpoint.

>> No.12769639

>>12769621
You'll have telekinetic control over rocks and minerals, and if you advance to masters you may get an iron servant who will cater to your every whim.

>> No.12769825

Currently doing my last year of my undergraduate (BEng) in Aerospace Engineering. I've enjoyed my degree overall, however, the aerospace industry is kinda fucked atm and plus the jobs were limited anyway. One way I've excelled compared with my peers is with general coding. I had zero coding experience before uni, but I became pretty good at Matlab and I started using Python now, especially for my dissertation which uses Python to solve a Finite Element Problem. Is doing a data science masters or something similar a good way idea? Generally data science jobs seem higher pay than a lot of UK engineering jobs. Would something like Software engineering be a bit of a stretch from Aerospace engineering (which I learned, but excelled compared with my dumbfuck peers at coding)?

>> No.12769831

>>12769621
depends on oil price

>> No.12769851

Guys Im starting to worry Im an utter brainlet not cut out for electrical engineering. I am taking statics and can hardly figure out any of these problems. Plus Im 29. What is an alternative for someone who passed calculus, and did well in physics?

>> No.12769873

>>12769851
What part of statics are you struggling on? Like if you struggle with statics, have you done any dynamics yet? As that is much harder.

>> No.12769891

>>12769873
I understood the first half of it. Equilibrium, moment, vectors, forces, reaction forces. Now Im doing these friction problems and theres these assumptions about the problem that I was supposed to know like where there is friction and where theres not. The text doesnt seem to explain how to solve these, like Im used to easy classes. I havent taken dynamics, Im supposed to next quarter. These are my last two quarters for an associates so Im going to pull through however I can, but afterwards idk if I should be pursuing electrical engineering like i was going to. Im starting to feel like i missed my chance.

>> No.12769904

>>12769891
>>12769873
Its like all of the sudden theres all these equations and Im supposed to do critical thinking but I'm just used to following formulas.

>> No.12769933

>>12769891
Aaaah I see, like the ladder bullshit questions leaning against the wall (and there is only friction in the horizontal plane)? Don't worry about it too much, just try and get a decent mark in Statics. As a EE, mechanics won't be as important as it is to a Civil, Mechanical or Aerospace undergrad. If your more interested in the electrical side, then I'd wouldn't worry. I think the first year EEs in my uni don't even learn statics, unless they do a foundation year.

>> No.12769976

>>12769933
I generally understand how its all derived and calculated but its a lot to keep track of. Then there are these curve ball questions that are making me doubt myself. I did well on the electrical physics all on my own so thats probably a good sign. I guess I will keep trying and start to take some electrical courses. I'm honestly worried about whether I'll make it. Thanks for the encouragement.

>> No.12770016

>>12769639
That sounds rad. So far in undergrad it's been a grand time. Camping, hiking and smoking weed amongst the rocks and I hadn't even graduated yet. If I get special powers afterwards that'd be tits!

>>12769831
Not really concerned with oil, I'm more interested in minerals (e.g. copper, aluminum, etc.)

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12770167

I'm a 25 y/o physicist who specialized in statistical mechanics and mathematical physics. I'm fucking tired of academia and I need to pay the bills.
What jobs can I apply for with my masters degree? What jobs can make me live comfortably?

>> No.12770193

>>12770167
did you do nuclear?

>> No.12770265

>>12770193
not one bit

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12770272

Would a degree in Bioengineering improve my career prospects in the Pharmaceuticals industry? Or is that only if you want to make artificial hearts and limb transplants or something.

>> No.12770306

>>12769183
>>Lost Excel job in October, was a NEET and now in comm. college for CS
CS is the new blue collar, but with a white collar title. Poos will be your competition.

>> No.12770309

>>12767902
The hardest is where phd still have to take exams even during their thesis, and if they fail, they are excluded lol.

>> No.12770315

>>12770272
bioprocess design does a lot of thing pharma. there is a lot of prosthetics things too but the artificial organ stuff is well above post doc lvl.

>> No.12770338

>>12770315
>>12770315
Would it be useful for drug design and research or should I try for a different degree?

>> No.12770364

>>12770338
very applicable, even with my focus which was more ee signals type stuff had classes with pill dissolving rates, etc but if you want to do drug design there are more direct means. that said it is a more generalizable degree, you will learn things in engg which will give you an edge over the bio midwits. given the way stuff is developing if you really wanna do drug design i'd look into computational pharmacology and see what program gets you in that. the market rn is shit for life science so you don't want to be stuck like 95% of the bio midwits who can't get a job. with engg or good cs double major gives you something to fall back on for other career options.

>> No.12770536

>>12769183
Nobody gives a fuck about any of that, just do internships and get connections that way

>>12769825
>the aerospace industry is kinda fucked atm
Imagine living in a spacelet country

>>12770309
Just do it right at the beginning

>> No.12771542

>>12769851
Physics 1 almost never pops back up again if EVER in electrical engineer. Physics 2 (electromagnetism) is where you should pay attention, and rarely are there any weird ladder questions in physics 2. Stay strong anon, just get a C and then you can move onto Physics 2 and never look back again.

>> No.12771583

im finishing my masters in mechanical engineering. my grades are very good but i dont have the passion for the finished products like some of my collegues. is a phd in academia career suicide if you want to make money later?

>> No.12771668

I'm just anxious of the future, it makes me nauseous every day.
I keep learning new stuff everyday to the point that attending classes just feels like bureacracy (nothing to be proud really, its my 8th semester and I haven't even been mentioned about linear regulators) , I'm developing my own personal projects and yet I'm feeling terrible over being unable to get an intership since they all want me to work full time or to work at the same time I have classes (Which I can't fail to attend if I want to graduate any time soon).
In my last interview they trid to scam me and I was about to vomit, I ended it right there.
Maybe I just need a break.

>> No.12771697

>>12771668
get your diploma and become neet

>> No.12771701

>>12771583
yes, unless you are a genius

>> No.12771722

>>12770364
Would a masters in it be worth it or should I stick to my BS in Biochem and find other ways to move up?

>> No.12771748

Has anyone here done a non-STEM undergrad degree and then gone on to PhD in a STEM field?

>> No.12771749

>>12771701
why?
and whats the genius cutoff?

>> No.12771839

>>12771668
>Maybe I just need a break.
I think you need a therapist more than anything.
Unironically.
These are all real issues that are talked about in therapy, your college probably has a counseling center, get yourself checked in.
What you talked about is literally the reason I walked in myself.

>> No.12771849

I don't like reading, writing, sleeping at normal times, and other people.
which path is best for me
>inb4 suicide
you're predictable, go back to crying about your dead mom, loser.

>> No.12771855

>>12771839
>therapist
why are jews allowed to post here?

>> No.12771859

>>12771849
become an inventor

>> No.12771872

>>12771855
Yikes. You need help my dude.

>> No.12771881

>>12771872
Oof

>> No.12771926

>>12771872
not me lol, ignore the other dude
I agree though, I guess I should go to the therapist

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>>12771926
Most jobs (even government ones) doesn't require a mental health check, at least that's what my career advisor said, and she specializes in getting disabled people jobs so I'd take her word for it. If you can't get a school counselor/therapist, they use the words interchangeably, you can get a referral from them instead.
Taking a break doesn't really solve you of your issues, but working over them with a therapist would help you recognize the underlying issues and hopefully get towards fixing them.
Though, it usually takes 8-12 weeks to get progress, depending on how much you're willing to be vulnerable/honest towards them.
Good luck, on a funny note, my therapist is a jew, not that it matters at all. Ideally, try to get one form your school first, they're more geared towards depressed/severely burned out college students (just so happens that Engineering is one of the main 'clients' of my college's mental help center kek).

>> No.12772037

>>12771849
>which path is best for me
kneepads.

>> No.12772106

>>12770536
Aerospace includes aircrafts aswell you brainlet.

>> No.12772115

Social science and general health professions like nursing are a part of STEM according to the BLS.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-3/an-overview-of-employment.htm

>> No.12772269

I have a Master's in Experimental Psych and I've been idly considering applying to doctoral programs in the future, something to do with animal behavior/neurology maybe. I think I have a good foundation and I could take that degree to do something outside of working in academia/stuck at a university, I'm sure. I don't want to teach.
I have no idea what to do with my life. I can't find a job in my shit city, much less any research opportunities and I'm poor as fuck.

>> No.12772294

I got hired for an entry level position in my field that I’m probably not qualified for. I asked my department chair about it and he questioned it they knew what they were doing hiring me given my lack of background. Is this a red flag? They also didn’t ask for refs and it’s was on LinkedIn easy apply.

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12772309

Software Engineering or Computer engineering?

>> No.12772333

>>12772294
If it's a fluke could be a great opportunity to get ahead.

>> No.12772342

>>12772294
>department chair
is this a job in academia?
>he questioned it they knew what they were doing hiring me given my lack of background
Why would you ask your superior if you were qualified for the job (casting a spotlight of doubt onto yourself) after being awarded with the position?

>> No.12772394

>>12772342
I’m a masters student and this job is with a small private firm.

>>12772333
Could’ve been a fluke. I’ve gotten like 5 interviews just using easy apply and I’m relatively qualified + my resume is pretty good if I say so myself.

>> No.12772472

>>12772394
How can you be unqualified for an entry level job in your field that you are about to get a masters degree in? If they interviewed you and decided you're fit for the job then why don't you think you're fit for it? No job is going to be a 100% match for what you learned in school, if they're offering the job that means they're presumably willing to teach you how to do it. Did you get some sort of red flag that makes you not want to work there?

>> No.12772529

>>12772472
>Did you get some sort of red flag that makes you not want to work there?
It’s across the country from my gf and is in a slum. Other than that the position is fantastic and has a very reasonable starting salary. Basically it is the equivalent of an engineer who specializes in construction being hired for an environmental engineering job.

>> No.12772560

Thoughts on electrical engineering degree?

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>>12771872
>name the jew
>>N-no you can't do that WHO HURT YOU!
kek fuck off nigger.
therapy is for prissy white women who just want to complain about their lives to someone and be told things they want to hear.
I've been legally required to get treatment for my anger issues after I raped a female officer when I was 15.
so I know how it is like. it's all fake and gay.

>> No.12772597

working in the mining sector as a mechanical engineer a comfy job compared to data science/ML engineer roles? how would you compare the two.

>> No.12772710

CS, IT, Electrical or Mechanical?
I have no idea what I want and I feel too stupid for any of them but it's the path I have chosen. Please help.

>> No.12772751

>>12772710
CS = code monkey, pays well
CS PhD = ???
IT = goof off job, living within your means, not ideal if you want a family
EE = if you feel like youre too stupid for IT then you might want to stay away, one of the hardest disciplines but it pays well
ME = ???

>> No.12772780

>>12772574
>nigger
Why the homophobia?

>> No.12772817

>>12767074
Work experience while in school. If your uni has a co-op program, its worth the extra time it usually adds to graduate

>> No.12772843

>>12772597
Be prepared to move to bumfuck nowhere in mining, upside being your near peak comfy outdoors life. Hours are generally better at entry/mid level, especially for camp work since schedules are pretty fixed compared to the office.

>> No.12772847

whats the best STEM degree to get for a 26 year old NEET?

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>>12772574
based and redpilled

>> No.12772865

>>12772574
I dislike the idea of therapy, however I have to agree with anon since moments ago I was delusional about some unabomber-like stuff, that along some very aggresive tendencies I've started to notice, so it kind of was like a wake-up call.
The last time it happened I somehow came up with the conclusion that industrial engineers were not humans.

>> No.12772878

Is going for PhD after working in industry a meme? I graduated early with Applied Math to join a big Tech company, but it's so soul-sucking i want to go back for a PhD in applied math. Time is ticking on stuff like references, so I'm wondering if this is something people realistically do or does it become hard after 2+ years out of undergrad?

>> No.12772884

>only senior positions available for embedded systems engineering in the entire country, with barely any applicants
>no internships, no junior positions or anything like that
fucking corpos, if you want people experienced in the field train them
get me out of this shithole

>> No.12772901

>>12772751
Seriously, how can I tell if I'm stupid or not? I'm getting good grades in the basic classes but they are probably bare minimum filter. How will I know whether I'm dumb before its too late? What litmus tests would you give?

>> No.12772965

>>12772901
if you have a GPA in your math courses > 3.3, you should be able to go into CS. Code monkeying will make you suffer mentally, so you will be back.

>> No.12773001

I got my bsc in physics and I'm in my first year for a phd in material science & engineering

This online learning has really gotten to me and I'm really not that happy in this environment so I'm thinking of mastering out
I'm wondering if anyone knows what the job prospects are like for a masters in this field

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unironically reposting from reddit because I have stupid questions I need answered:

've gotten an interview for the only PhD programme I'm applying to, at least for this year. Seeing that I won't have an immediate oppurtunity to learn going from one into to the next, I've got a couple general questions about these interviews (that hopefully other applicants might benefit from aswell).

For context, it's a 20-30 minute zoom interview, I've been told broadly that its just to discuss my Thesis proposal, research interests and any questions I have. Also, I should not, I'm applying directly from a taught Masters with little to no research experience or other academic work experience, although it is a 2+3 Year MRes/PhD application.

So anyway, what i'm wondering is:

>Dress code? Smart/Smart Casual (more succinctly, tie or no tie)

>Am I likely to be interviewed by 1 person or a group of people all at once? I noticed that, in a reply to an email accepting the interviewer, I saw the interviewer use the word 'we' a few times. How many people does 'we' likely constitute.

>Should I familiarise myself with potential interviewer(s) research? I received the interview invitation from a professor I was totally unfamiliar with (not the supervisor I'd marked on the application), although I noticed that we share broadly similar research interests.

>Having little to no research experience, how should I approach the interview with that in mind? I notice a lot of common interview questions are along the lines of 'tell me about a time when X' or 'how did you deal with X'. Obviously it's a bit hard to answer these having poor research experience, so I'm interested to know how I can craft an answer out of my taught academic experience.

>Is it standard procedure to send a thank you note to interviewers afterwards? I tend to do this for professional positions, however I'm not sure whether its common form in academia

>> No.12773220

>tfw chemistry undergrad
>bachelor thesis coming up in 1 semester
what the FUCK am I gonna write about
aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.12773235

>>12772843
Cost of living in those rural areas are usually cheaper, can you verify?

>> No.12773244

>>12772574
a friend of mine intentionally made shit up to traumatize his therapist lmao
what a genious bastard he is

>> No.12773298

>>12772106
So you're an airlet too? lol

>> No.12773385

>>12773122
It sounds like you're not in the US so whatever I say might not be the same, but my experience with interviews for PhD applications has been that they're way easier and more casual than any job interview I've had. Nobody has really asked me any of the usual behavioral bullshit questions (tell me about a time you...). They just jump straight to talking about research and why I'm interested in the program. If anything the biggest problem I've had is that 30 minutes is really short and every professor loves to talk about their research so it's hard to get enough time to sell yourself to them.

I've been wearing a casual shirt like an oxford with no tie, and it seems to me like most other applicants are just wearing t-shirts and shit. All my interviews have been 1-on-1. Of course you should try to know something about their research, but if it's not someone you're interested in make sure you make your own interests clear too.

You should always send a thank you, having some fucking manners is a rare skill and if other people aren't doing it then that only reflects better on you. Professors have been way better about actually returning my thank you emails, most job interviewers just ghost you no matter how polite you are.

>> No.12773465

>>12771855
Therapist= The Rapist

>> No.12773495

>>12773001
I'm a physics phd. All the people I know who mastered out got ok jobs. The pay bump from master's to phd isn't that big. Even for brainlets. Maybe go in indeed it physics today and see what jobs you quality for.

I would try to stay in though, especially since mat scis usually finish pretty quickly.

>> No.12773502

>>12773220
whatever your PI tells you to research?

>> No.12773519

>>12773502
nah, we're free to choose whatever we want within certain fields of study (organic chem, inorganic structure, spectroscopy, analytical chem, thermodynamics)

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>>12773519
Interesting. Is the honours program at your university completed in the final year of undergraduate studies? I am in my third year and am required to identify a professor in my faculty that I would like to work under, negotiate with them to determine if they are willing to supervise my honours project, and I will discuss with them to determine the precise content of my research. Naturally, my choice of supervisor plays a critical role in the theme of my research. For example, I will be working under a biochemistry professor who specializes in n3 and n6 PUFA, so my research will be on something related to her ongoing research.

>> No.12773648

>>12773641
and I will begin the research upon completion of my third year, finishing the honours thesis upon completion of my fourth year.

>> No.12773693

>>12773641
Dunno how it works for you but here we have a 3 year bachelor, 6 semesters and we start writing our bachelor in the 6th semester. We choose a problem ourselves for our bachelor thesis, then get assigned a PI who will follow us for 12 weeks while we write our thesis.

During our master's degree we have to identify a professor and send an application to work under him/her.

>> No.12773713

>>12773693
Interesting. I am doing a 4 yr bachelor (North America), do you complete your own research over that 12 week period or do you simply write about a given topic? I guess honours degrees here are a lot like a one year masters degree. It isn't as involved as a masters degree though, because we are simultaneously undergoing all of the course work for our final year of undergrad.

>> No.12773748

>>12773713
No actual research during bachelor thesis. We have to choose an academic topic within our selected branch of Chemistry (for me=. Then we answer that topic in our thesis and present it for our academic leaders.

For our masters degree we have to apply for research time, grant money for research and professors to help us along the way.

>> No.12773753

>>12772878
I'll be 26 when I start my PhD and it's not unusual.

>> No.12773848

>>12772847
CS obviously.

Tons of legit online degrees out there and no need for expensive lab equipment either.

>> No.12773900

>>12772878
I'm starting a PhD in the fall after like 4 years in industry. Schools were recruiting me hard and I got into a better program than I thought I'd be able to get. If you're working for a recognizable big tech company they'll probably love you even more. Also all the interviews and shit are so easy compared to job interviews, and you'll be competing against clueless undergrads.

Why not just get a recommendation or two from people at work? My boss left the company and landed a professor job right before writing my recommendation so I kind of lucked out, but I think you could get a recommendation from someone at your company anyway. I also had two undergrad professors write recommendations and sent them my CV and some old documents and stuff to refresh their memory and they didn't complain.

>> No.12773936

>>12773900
>>12773753
Glad to see this is not something unusual. I guess I should just apply and see what happens. If recognizable school and recognizable LinkedIn profiles are what they are looking for, then I should be set. I could also try to jump into the r&d in my current company, just to try out some research since I did 0 research as undergrad.

>> No.12773985

>>12773519
>Thermodynamics
Do a paper on the reaction in a jet engine with the fuel and air.

>> No.12774018
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I'm a pretty passive person in a decently competitive major (EE) and I've been looking to become more competitive again, at what point is it 'too competitive' to the point of harming yourself? I'm worried that I'll become of those guys who are overly competitive and lose sight of healthy competition. Competitive as in studying, going out of your way to study other material, etc.

>> No.12774043

>>12770536
>>12770306
>>12769616
Thanks peeps.

>> No.12774050

>>12774018
>pretty passive person
i feel like a lot of students are like that, and that's completely normal. You should just get active, the fact is that 90% of people waste a lot of time. If you use the time you have to do stuff you're already ahead of 90% of the competition.

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>>12774050
>You should just get active
Good point anon, I shouldn't be thinking about the idea of getting active but actually get active.
I keep hearing other people being 'active' but I sometimes forget that literally for every guy being active/competitive, there's a bunch more in the same spot as me. Time to get my ass up.

>> No.12774241

>>12774099
Hello Higurashi poster, how are you enjoying the new season?

>> No.12774312

Can you pick your own subjects the way students in other countries can in India or do you have to pick a department and stick with it for four years with no other options?

>> No.12774318

>>12773465
wallet rapists
>>12773244
kek
>>12772865
yeah you tell a therapists that you'll be in jail for conspiracy. They're legally required to report that shit.
>>12772780
because I didn't like the Matrix, it just wasn't that good.

>> No.12774388

>>12769183
bro you 100% dont need a masters for quality eng or process eng (99% of them dont do real engineering, at least at my job). move to palmdale CA and try to get a gig a lockheed or northrup.

>> No.12774737

>>12767051
future proof academic careers?

is being a doctor / surgeon at the very base a trade?

>> No.12775037

>>12774737
>is being a doctor / surgeon at the very base a trade?
in most cases yes, but there is nothing wrong with the trades

>> No.12775077

I have a PhD and a good career and I just want to say Sneed's Feed and Seed Formerly Chuck's Fuck Jannys

>> No.12775249

>>12767051

Is degree in energetics worthwhile for the future?

>> No.12775252

>>12774312
The latter

>> No.12775254

>>12768616
No brother, we are doomed to 19$ cap unless you can get a QC job in pharma.

>> No.12775262

>>12773848
This. Fuck life sciences and physical sciences, don't get suckered into this shit world.

>> No.12775787

>>12773985
Doesn't work like that. I'd need to formulate a question and answer it, like:

"Does changing the ratio of hydrocarbons in jet fuel give increased efficiency?"

Then I'd need to look at dosens of peer reviewed research articles on the topic and find an answer.

>> No.12775867

>>12775249
>energetics
Yes, see Monster and Redbull stock

>> No.12776254

>>12773235
Housing yes. food,hydro,power, and gas no.
Fly in Fly out covers your cost of living while in the camps which is what I've been doing.

>> No.12776271

How can I apply a masters in applied math (thesis was in graph theory) in the industry? I noticed in Europe there's a lot of industry-sponsored positions for research in logistics, which I assume is quite heavy on graph theory and optimization. What would be the best way to get into that field?

>> No.12776322

>want a job in toxicology
>unmotivated, unorganised, 'creative type' with humanities background
for some reason my brain doesn't let me want this because I don't feel like I'm the right person for the job
is it just a pipedream?
I'm only in my first year of zoom university and I'm starting to lose hope

>> No.12776331

Is a Masters in Bioengineering worth it? Some statistics say it is a good job with low stress but others say its absolute garbage.

>> No.12776366

>>12767051
Is it better to go for an integrated master's in electronics and space technology at a top 100 UK university or to go for a degree in electronics at a Russel group uni?

>> No.12776390

>>12775254
Do opportunities increase significantly with a MSc?

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>>12776390

>> No.12776580

>>12776550
I might seriously an hero if I am required to complete a PhD followed by slaving as a post-doc. Why have the Jews made a concerted effort to saturate the labour market?

>> No.12776691

I asked about this awhile ago but I have two options for my first job.

1
>50k (40k after taxes)
>slum, will need to pay in excess of 1000/mo for somewhere safe
>private firm and working 50 hours a week
>title is good
>will need to fly across country if I want to see gf or family

2
>32.4k (27.6k after taxes)
>safe college town, rent is 550 for 1 bedroom + utilities comes out to ~700
>state agency so job is very comfy, I work there part time now and they are all very nice people
>title isn’t great, within my field but not the best
>gf is 1 hour away, so I’ll spend a little on gas but nothing as bad as flying across the country
>also gives me time not to rush finishing my MS

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>Apply to graduate math program
>Get an email from a professor there
>Next day I receive an email from admissions officer: Congrats, you've been accepted anon. Response required.
>Respond a few hours later
>Never hear back from admissions officer
>1 week has passed
>Send another email, this time to the professor
>Still haven't heard back

Wtf is going on? Is this normal? I'm sure they're pretty busy, and I don't want to pester, but it seems really strange that they would be ignoring me, and my online application still says that it's awaiting a decision. There are supposed to be 1 on 1 meetings between faculty and new student next week, and I still haven't heard anything.

>> No.12777314

How do I deal with fomo in the STEM industry? I am a mechanical engineer that just accepted a job working in offshore oil. I know this is going to be a temporary thing, mostly because of the volatility in the industry.

I want to work in aerospace but finding a job there has been a huge hassle. I am thinking about graduate school as well, not as a resource to get a job, but just to dive deeper into engineering. Any thoughts/moral support on a direction here? This new job offshore is a 3 weeks on / 3 weeks off rotation, so I have plenty of time off to further develop skills that might help with an aerospace job (currently fucking with model rockets and helping a group of guys build a plane) but the fomo feelings still linger.

>> No.12777418

Graduated with 4 year degree in software engineering/CS finished masters through research focusing on A.I. I am now on a research team for a large automobile company am I a code monkey??

>> No.12777497

>Doing undergrad research project with a professor which lasts for a year
>the project entails the construction of distributed data extraction tool and some research about the data extracted
>the professor is completely absent, had like 3 meetings with him the whole year
>Finished the project at around 75~% of the scholarship program coloborating with a PhD student who was de factor advisor
> The Phd students ends up fucking off and changing his research topic. We have a meeting every 2 weeks or so but it is very unhelpful
> Spent the last 25~% completly by myself trying to read all the literature about the topic and actually partaking in research.
> 3 fucking days before the scholarship expiration the professor contacts me again asking for a simple report, to justify my schoalrship and says that is urgent
> I write the report, the professor who has completly vanished now appears and starts giving a lot of bullshit demands that would fundamentally change the project
> Apparently the fucking retard PhD had developed a method which was directly linked to my reserach without telling me at all lmao
> Now I must accommodate his part (which is a lot of work and changes significantly the project structure) in the project and write an extremely long and tedious report

Given that I'm not even getting paid anymore, should I tell this faggot to fuck off? Are these kind of faggots common in academia? This dude was one person I thought that would write a LOR for me

>> No.12777536

How viable of an option is it to take premed courses at 28 years old with a BFA in graphic design to go to medschool and pursue a career in psychiatry? Is the 10 year commitment of time and money worth it in your opinion at this point in life? Doing design and art direction is decent money but consumer marketing is at the pinnacle of things I hate about humanity and I feel like a worthless hack.

>> No.12777540

>>12776691
Not in your shoes but the choice for me would be 2 if i was still doing a masters. If i had my masters done i would go for 1. Also realistically depends on how hot is your gf or how much you love her because eventually you need to move away from your parents. If my gf was hot and i loved her 2 if relationship was sour 1

>> No.12777555

>>12776691
After working both grueling and comfy engineering jobs I suggest #2, especially because of that last point (finishing MS). Family will be okay without you, GF will probably come to an end.

>> No.12777556

>>12777418
it depends.

If you are in Tesla R&D you're living the dream. I'ts not code monkey if you publish papers.

Alternatively, you're just doing code-monkey and not using anything from your Masters. You can do it without a master's degree, and this is what i'm trying to avoid (i'm in undergrad, working, trying to get PhD and become an r&d fag). Get out asap, it will drain ur soul even if ur at a big company, because pajeets will outcompete you for their sheer knowledge of java.

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Career fair soon for my college and I'm anxious as fuck.
My advisor said that even if I don't like the current company I'm talking to, I should still try to ask probing questions (for future potential openings)/find a way to ask for contact, is there any way how I probe/ask for contact naturally? I've never gone to a career fair before and I'm dead worried.

>> No.12777598

>>12777565
Just be tall and handsome anon. Whatever you do, just make sure you aren’t ugly. Good luck!

>> No.12777631

>>12773519
anal chem is my favorite

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>>12777598
kek

>> No.12777653

>accepted in phd 5 months ago
>started to shop for a house
life is good bros, won't even need to work after I get a phd if it all works out

>> No.12777821

>>12777556
do tesla and spacex publish papers? i thought they didnt

>> No.12777909

>>12777821
most big companies like to publish papers because that attracts top talent. If they dangle that "Yan Le Kun works at our company and you have a chance to work with him", that might be the break they need to get a top candidate to work for them and not their competitor.

Besides, they use a lot of that research in their own products. They just publish it after they've patented it and implemented it, or decided they won't use it.

>> No.12777967

>>12777909
I think that's true of many big companies but i was under the impression that tesla and spacex specifically don't publish papers. Can you link to any?

>> No.12778044

>>12771872
kill yourself

>> No.12778052

>>12775077
Checked and based

>> No.12778066

>>12777967
Trivial example of a paper that has many co-authors from SpaceX. It's a covid study that they posted in Nature magazine. It's recent, not sure if they publish *all* or *most* of their findings. Can't post the link because spam detection is retarded but look up "Discrete SARS-CoV-2 antibody titers track with functional humoral stability" from nature.com

Elon musk is a co-author btw

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>>12778066
>Elon musk is a co-author btw
>26th author
ngmi, Elon

>> No.12778145

>>12777303
call the office (not the prof)

>> No.12778160

>>12778138
>ngmi, Elon
desu I bet elon musk put like 0 effort into that paper, if he really wanted to be first he would have done it. He just doesn't give a shit about "papers".

>> No.12778252

>>12771872
Cringe, and non-STEM pilled
(you're probably studying something like "social work", or even worse: gender studies)

>>12772574
B&R

>> No.12778797

>>12772560
Good idea nowadays. I got my BSME in 2016 and while I do not regret it, it does seem like there are more opportunities for EEs these days.

>> No.12778824

>>12773753
That is earlier than most lol.

>> No.12779286

I know this is a longshot, but...

Anyone on here that can get me a job in the California Long Beach area?

I have a BS in aerospace engineering and a BS in physics.

Thanks!

>> No.12779397

>>12779286
hm so you needed two degrees to get a hob when others need only one? dont trust you at all. sorry, youre fired

>> No.12779426

>>12776271
well try to find univeristies which offer a master in graph theory, then looks at the companies associated to the post graduate studies like
https://g-scop.grenoble-inp.fr/fr/recherche/theorie-des-graphes

https://g-scop.grenoble-inp.fr/fr/recrutements/theses

Then send them your CV and tell them you are interested to know if they recruit.

Probably better to ask also if you can do a PHD with them if it's necessary

>> No.12779428

>>12776390
Everybody has a master now, that's what you get for starting the french revolution and pushing the atheist dream of educating the peasants like bourgeois had.

>> No.12779558

>>12777497
sorry for your loss, most of acadmia is not worth its salary. Cost benefit analysis anon. Do you still graduate without that sozens of work hours report? Sounds like you don't owe the old faggot much.

>> No.12779600

>>12771839
>What you talked about is literally the reason I walked in myself.
What a Faggot

>> No.12779849

>>12779286
I can get you a job but it won't be in aerospace engineering.

>> No.12780083

How smart do you have to be in order to be a top 10% web developer?

>> No.12780165

>>12780083
smart enough to use a toilet

>> No.12780248

>>12767051
Which is the best field in physics in terms of employment rate, industrial demand and job security. Can u suggest interdisciplinary fields with physics (like material science, biophysics,etc.)that would satisfy the above criteria?

>> No.12780271

>>12779849
Im down. What field?

>> No.12780348

>>12779286
We're always hiring at In-N-Out

>> No.12780481

>>12780248
The fields move so fast, Anon. Right now information and quantum computing are really hot branches of physics, along with gravitational waves. But five years from now, who knows?

Experimental condensed matter physicists usually have good job prospects I guess.

>> No.12780492

>>12780248
mat sci is a good field for jobs. It's also easier to graduate on time.

>> No.12780599

>>12767074
anti-racist progressiveism + being a trans BIPOC.

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>>12780599
unironically the latter is very-much correct

>> No.12780635

>>12779428
>Everybody has a master now
I don't expect to get endless companies begging to employ me upon getting a masters, but surely the prospects are significantly better than simply having a BSc?

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>>12747373
>>12747536
>>12747639
>>12748265
As of this morning I secured the position, anons!!1! The interview was flawless. Now I need to get that sweet Erasmus gibs.
Thanks for your advices <3

>> No.12780641

>>12780248
anything quantum computing

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>>12780639
Awesome, anon! Consider this experience in the future when you are seemingly facing endless adversity. You aren't required to have success in each application you submit, but rather, a single acceptance will suffice. It might take ten attempts or even over one hundred, but perseverance will overcome all. Keep it up, fren!

>> No.12780684

>>12780663
you're definitely right, my fellow anon. that was one of the latest applications that I've sent and I didn't have any hope after all the other rejected ones desu. thnx for being helpful throughout the process, fren!

>> No.12780768

>>12780635
Yes but some People get two masters as a hope to get an edge on the job market, while still avoiding the phd path. The second master is done in 1 year is a ''Specialized Master'' after the MSC

>> No.12782118

>currently a chem undergrad

How do I avoid becoming a highschool maths teacher?

>> No.12782231

>>12782118
Im wondering this too.
Im gonna try for a masters in ChemE or BioE and hope a big pharmaceutical firm hires me.

>> No.12782446

>>12767051
I wanna get into quantum computing, more specifically developing quantum algorithms. should I graduate in physics and do a CS related phd or the other way around?

>> No.12783652

>>12780165
Kk. I guess I’ll have to choose another career path.

>> No.12783656

Just got a job offer for a data scientist/analyst position offering 65k/yr in a fairly pricey city (D.C). I have a master's degree in OR. Is this a lowball offer? Should I haggle?

>> No.12785934

What do I do?

I have a math degree from a great school(think top 5 in US) but I have 0 social skill, 0 papers, 0 friends, 0 everything except grades. All I did was max my grades, I made no connections with professors and students, so the fact that I went to great school means nothing.

I can't afford to go to uni again, I doubt anyone would even accept me anyway. I can't find a job, don't know why, I'm applying to lots of places. I tried getting summer internships but I couldn't land anything. I'm few months away from living in the streets.

>> No.12786149

>>12785934
hello friend, i fell for the great uni meme as well. honestly at this point id recommend therapy to get over your social anxiety and start networking with alumni from your school. pm randoms in junior positions on linkedin and ask if they can talk about the position. you'd be suprised how effective this is

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[ERROR]

Just got my PhD, anons. Feel free to call me Dr. Anon.

>> No.12786316

>>12786149
man I have no money left, I'm living here until my deposit runs out

> just get over your social anxiety
if it was that easy, everyone would do it
I've messaged lots of people, few people that remember me tried to help me but couldn't because everyone either works in FAANG or Wall Street

>> No.12786347

>>12786316
its either get over it or die. yes its not easy, and thats exactly why there are so many depressed NEEts on the internet. in order for you to succeed, you need to take the challenge and overcome what is cucking you the most, lest you rot forever.

>> No.12786384

>>12786196
Congratulations Doctor Professor Faggot

>> No.12786435

So I got accepted to do a chemical engineering PhD at a top school. If my end goal is to get a cushy job, is grad school for me?

>> No.12786508

>>12786435
if you go into grad school with the mentality that it's not entirely for your research then you're going to hate the next few years of your life

>> No.12786748

>>12782446
>physics and do a CS related phd
this

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[ERROR]

Do EEs and a CompEng degrees have the necessary foundational skills to work on ML/DL and IoT?

>> No.12786754

>>12785934
do a phd

>> No.12787102

>>12783656
More like doing kaggle

>> No.12787535

>>12786748
Nonsense, that's like learning to run before walking. He needs to learn how to code normal computers first, then he can think about doing a physics phd to learn how to code quantum computers.

>> No.12787777

going into final year physics bsc, uk
was thinking to get into finance for the ££ but i haven't managed to land a summer internship
am i fucked for grad schemes, lads?

>> No.12787795

Is it possible to get into a masters/PhD program if you started at a cc?

>> No.12787833

>>12787535
Cs students are blue collar monkeys competing with indians and know nothing about physics, let alone Qm, let alone about QC.

the move physics->CS is way easier than CS->physics. You probably are a liberal who think that dimwits can achieve anything. Protip they cant

>> No.12787851

>>12787795
Yes, why wouldn't it be?

>> No.12787852

>>12787777
Well you need connection for finance internship, especially if you are only a bsc.Try to learn some finance
>>/sci/thread/S12771755#p12779809

then get a 1k on a portfolio and show it to them after make good trades. And have good grades in maths and theoretical physics (because that's where maths is) and learn stochastic calculus.

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>>12787851

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12788098

Realistically, what chances if any do I have of becoming an astronaut if I go on 4chan in any capacity?

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>>12788098
>thinking occasional 4chan usage inhibits your ability to achieve things
Frankly, it doesn't seem you have what it takes to make it anyways

>> No.12788156

>>12788144
>occasional

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>PhD interview in 24 hours
>Know my thesis proposal is too niche
>know i'm not smart enough for a PhD
>know they'll tear my research interests to shreds in the interview
>know they'll tear my academic record (3.7 GPA and 0 research experience) to shreds in the interview
>know I don't belong there
>can already see the cold rejection email in a few weeks time

How the fuck do you guys do it? Do you just have to be born different to be someone who can actually make it as a researcher.

>> No.12788916

>>12788866
If you go in with this attitude then yeah your gonna suck cock.

They have invited you to talk with them, so there must be something about you they like, just be clear on what you know and don't know, what interests you, why you would be the right person for it, why you like what they do and what you hope to gain from a PhD.

At the end of the day you can always apply somewhere else if it doesn't pan out.

>> No.12788960

>>12788866
They wouldn't have invited you for an interview if they didn't think you were capable. Very few PhD applicants actually make it to the interview phase.

>> No.12789006

What do you guys think of majoring in photonics/optics engineering? What does the job market look like look like in the near future?

>> No.12789026

>>12788866
any phd is too niche nowadays lol

99% of all phd students are not smart enough for a phd

>> No.12789273

Bros why is it so hard to land a job yet all of my friends are able to do it?

>> No.12789467

Are master degrees becoming less valued? I have a BS in MechEng and work in the offshore oil industry, and thinking about going to grad school if I sell crpyto profits, hopefully helping me make a move towards working in/around human spaceflight

>> No.12789503

>>12786750
Better than any other degree

>> No.12790079

>>12786750
As opposed to what? Pure CS?

>> No.12790110

>>12767525
Do a PhD or at least a master if you have any career ambition. If you are okay with staying a lab tech for the rest of your life (just to be clear, I'm not exaggerating, advancement options are VERY limited) then just a BSc will be fine.

t. former chem student now engineer

>> No.12790136

>>12772529
You will be fine if it's environmental engineering lol. You might have to learn a thing or two on the spot but it's not as if you are a civil engi doing EE.

>> No.12790159

>>12782118
ChemE seemed to work for some people I know. Either that or change major for ChemE.

>> No.12790169

>>12790110
I appreciate your insight, anon! I will be graduating undergrad at 24 years old and am worried about spending the rest of my twenties slaving to a P.I. and living off the minimal funds of a stipend. I am under the impression that a job applicant with a MSc. and no industry experience is viewed in the same light as a BSc. applicant who has a couple of years of industry experience - would you say this is accurate? If so, it would probably make sense for me to skip the MSc. and go directly for the PhD.

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>>12767051
>be me
>ME student graduating this May
>3.4GPA, internship experience, SAE experience, team lead for senior design project and another school project
>sent a couple hundo apps out since september
>no responses yet
bros ;_;

>> No.12790474

>>12790169
>I am under the impression that a job applicant with a MSc. and no industry experience is viewed in the same light as a BSc. applicant who has a couple of years of industry experience

From my experience (internships and about 2 years work experience as a ChemE), in industry a MSc will not give you much of an advantage if you are competing for a job requiring only a BSc. You will be considered over-qualified and you most likely don't need a master's degree to do the job.

What a master will do is give you the opportunity to apply to jobs that will be less soul-draining than what is offered to an undergrad. Jobs requiring a master's degree are rare tho (even more than those requiring PhD), but they exist.

Your best bet is to network and/or find a job at a company you worked with during your master thesis or had an internship with.

Good luck anon.

>> No.12790518

Currently a 4th year math major with a low GPA(2.2 horrible study skills+life happening) trying to figure out what to do next. I'm considering riding out the remainder of my degree taking statistic classes as the few upper level statistics classes I have taken I was relativity good at and actually found interesting, unlike everything else I've taken. My prof(the only professor I have not burned yet) agreed to let me 1-1 with him this summer to learn time-series analysis and possibly do some research with him.
Is there still hope to do grad school stats if this works out or am I still boned because of how how horribly I did in my math major?

>> No.12790619

>>12790454
I know this is trite but dont lose hope. I am a ME with ~5 years of work experience and a clearance, and finding a job was a pain in the ass for me too. Youre also graduating/applying at probably the worst time in 2008/09, lost of people losing jobs and applying to everything.

Any internship/alumni connections, or any other networking you can do?

>> No.12790652

>>12790619
I've been going to the little hiring events for the defense companies I'm interested, and the people I've spoken to have said I have a strong resume and we had good talk, but I still haven't gotten anything

>> No.12790690

>>12767074
Be a nigger, do internships

>> No.12790759

>>12789467
Can you get your work to pay for the degree if you do it part-time?

>> No.12790815

Should I go into Biology or Biochemistry?

Im a brainlet and more passionate about base Biology but Biochem is better in terms of Job Options and Pay.

>> No.12791106

>>12767051
What jobs can you get with a bachelors in biology? The only ones I can think of are lab tech or science teacher, and neither are ideal. It seems like if you want to do anything else you have to get a masters or phd.

>> No.12791144

>>12790454
Same boat as you. Been applying since 2018.
Covid made this worse.

You're fucked!

>> No.12791162

>>12790690
>nigger
Why the racism?

>> No.12791476

>>12790518
>Is there still hope to do grad school stats if this works out or am I still boned because of how how horribly I did in my math major?
if your internship is dazzling, anything is possible, otherwise you will be on waiting list.
In maths, a thesis is about proving a new theorem, so try to do a mini phd on speed and publish it on arxiv, or even a real journal, to compensate your official grades

>> No.12791525

>fucked around in highschool
>graduated, but at the cost of a fucking 2.5 GPA
>going to comm.colllege for two years then transferring to a 4 year for a BA.
Am I fucked because of my HS GPA?
I literally fucked around all through highschool, will straight A's in CC tell admissions that
>Im not fucking around anymore, let me in.

>> No.12791527
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Does anyone know much about non-tenure academic jobs, like "Research Assistant Professor"? My understanding is that you don't have to teach and as long as you can bring in funding you can just do your research and be left alone. I really want to do this and I'm hoping they will let me work remotely.

>> No.12791531

>>12791525
Yeah it's fine, nobody cares.

>> No.12791792

is food science a meme? am I going to need grad school to be successful with this degree?

>> No.12792289

>>12787833
I'm more of a troll, actually. Nice to know I've crossed the Poe's law event horizon.

>> No.12792350
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>Be me
>soon graduating from chem.eng undergrad
>because of coofvid all exams have been home-exams with no aid restrictions
>cruised past my maths, statistics, physics exams because of google calculators etc
>literally don't remember the formula for volume, area, circumference of cylinders, circles and all that shit
>can vaguely remember how to do simple integrals, anti-derivatives
>forgotten all about the rules of logs, and derivatives

Feel massive feelings of imposter syndrom desu... Will I be fine? My biggest fear is to be asked directly, in front of everyone at work to calculate x or y on the spot, and failing, even though it's probably basic af maths.

>> No.12792371

>>12790815
Biochem is also ass in terms of job options, if you're planning on medschool do the one that is EASIEST for you. If you're considering medschool, but unsure do a health sciences based bachelors like medical lab technology (60k starting salary). If you're considering grad school/phd may God have mercy on your soul.

>> No.12792380

>>12791144
lmfao not as fucked as you brother

>> No.12792440

>>12791527
I don’t think they get paid much. I landed a job in the same town that I did my masters (posted about it earlier in the thread). I may see if they’ll either let me become an adjunct or a research associate or something in my free time. Or get my PhD.

>> No.12792966

Need some advice.
33
I'm have about a year left on before finishing a second degree in CS (only need to take algorithms and then a bunch of electives).
I really enjoy the math I've learned and would like to complete a masters in applied math (only have done calc I-III, LA and a discrete math course so background may be light).
However, since I am older I am thinking there will be diminishing returns for additional school at this point. Also, pragmatically, since a stable job is important, I am considering just going for engineering (although that will take an additional year).
Thoughts on:
>Sticking with CS and finishing
>Trying to take additional math courses and go for a masters instead?
>Transferring to engineering.
Also, located in the USA.

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12793014

Did a PhD interview today, not great not terrible. Last thing lead interviewer said was:

>we'll get back to you in 2 weeks, if you have any competing offers/deadlines, let us know and we'll let you know then

Has anyone ever actually lied about having another offer when they've been told this? What was the outcome? I don't want to wait 2 weeks just to receive an inevitable rejection email.

>> No.12793102

>>12793014
>if you have any competing offers/deadlines, let us know and we'll let you know then
Your interviewer lost focus for the majority of the interview and failed to evaluate you as an applicant in any meaningful sense. Accordingly, your status as an applicant is now being judged strictly on whether or not you receive offers from other institutions. If you claim to have a plethora of offers then the brainlet interviewer will interpret that information as you being a highly qualified candidate and will make you a competitive offer. He is reliant on the judgement of others rather than his own - pretty clever actually. Many such cases.

>> No.12793129

>>12769851
Lel, im the same age, had the same problem. Come join me in comp sci.

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>>12793102
>your interviewer lost focus for the majority of an interview

Kek, probably true. I’m quite a good speaker when it’s public engagement etc but as soon as it’s an interview environment I turn into an utterly rambling and incoherent freak. I’d be amazed if anyone could decipher what my thesis proposal was actually about.

That being said, I noticed that in the first couple minutes, the questions I was getting were along the lines of

>‘I’m struggling to understand X about your proposal ‘

but towards the end they turned into much more constructive questions about the context/nitty gritty of the proposal.

I don’t fucking know guys, is that a good thing or a bad thing? The more I think of that interview the more I think I boned it.

>> No.12793205

>>12772560
EEs can do anything just about anything technical. IMO they are the most versatile of all technical people. Solid math, solid physics, decent programming, and used to doing fuckloads of work.

If I had to select a group of 10 people to solve a randomly generated technical problem, all else being equal and with no prior information, I would just select 10 electrical engineers.

t. Mechanical eng who works with a team of EEs daily

>> No.12793614

>>12792440
Doesn't the pay depend on how much you bring in? If I can get 100k I'll be happy and I don't think that is unreasonable but idk

>> No.12793633

>>12770338
If you want to create new pharmaceutical drugs get a PhD in Chemistry

>> No.12794681

>>12791525
No, nobody cares about you HS gpa. Protip: take as many courses in CC as you can, especially ones you might struggle with at a 4 year. Your GPA gets reset when you transfer out of CC.

>> No.12794695

So how does one get into archaeogenetics as a profession?

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12794909

Doing level 3 electrical installation, it's really shit. 18th edition book layout is pointlessly convoluted, I don't give a shit about inspection and testing at all, and I still can't grasp earth fault loop impedance

>> No.12794911

>>12794909
I just want to help install solar panels btw, even that is hard to find now

>> No.12795124

>>12791525
If you actually keep a 4.0 GPA, a terrible HS GPA probably helps you more than anything else. Makes for a good story.

Doubly so if you're a veteran or older student.

>> No.12795151

>>12792966
At the age you are at you probably want to start building a pension/401k etc so looking at employment.

I'm not going to tell you not to pursue mathematics, it is certainly interesting, but as someone who studied it for undergrad and then needed to go back to school to study some computer science to be even vaguely employable I would recommend that if your interest in mathematics can be satisfied by self study whilst working then try that.

>> No.12795215

>>12792966
don't overthink it, just get the CS degree and get a job

>> No.12795488

>>12769621
Based. I have a hydrogeologist and an Environmental scientist job lined up. Going to wait and see about benefits. The latter may pay me to get my PhD. Chicks dig rocks.

>> No.12795585

>>12795488
>Chicks dig rocks.
uhh what

>> No.12796056

>>12790454
It’s might be a long shot, but try and apply at TSMC. They’re hiring over 1000 engineers to work in their new fab being built in the States.
I got in as a ChemE grad with 0 experience in semiconductors. My only work was oil & gas and a materials lab. You just have to be willing to relocate to Taiwan for 18 months. I think they’re having a hard time finding people willing to commit to that.

>> No.12796286

>>12795488
>doing something in order to be chosen by a vagina for given it free casual sex

men are the shallow sex

>> No.12797339 [DELETED] 

>College offers a bunch of opportunities
>Limits them to ONLY underrepresented minorities in the STEM field like hispanics/blacks/native americans

How do I get opportunities without having to buy a race change addon

>> No.12797409

CMU or Michigan for Mech E?
I know for purely Mech E, Michigan might be better, but I also want to dabble in some CS stuff.

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Deleted my previous post so that I could add on some more stuff.

>College offers a bunch of opportunities
>Limits them to ONLY underrepresented minorities in the STEM field like hispanics/blacks/native americans
Is there a way to actually get them without having to race change?

Is the standard procedure to getting research opportunities or internships in general, to build up a relationship with your professor until they go "You know anon, it's been a while since we started talking, I have an opportunity and I'm not sure if you're interested........"

It seems like that'll take a long time but at this point, I wouldn't even mind because I have some wonderful professors but it feels a bit disingenuous (or even a bit... messed up) to build a relationship with someone just because they're a door of opportunity or is that just how STEM works in general? I'm an EE major btw.

I know that if you genuinely want to learn from them and build up a relationship, then it would no longer be disingenuous, but I know that not every professor I come across would be as wonderful/cool as some of the ones that I'm taking currently which would make it far less interesting for me to want to go out of my way to learn more/go ahead.

>> No.12797472

>>12797339
actually show aptitude and motivation while actively networking.

>> No.12797491

>>12797416
>deletes his racebait whinging and reposts with brainlet takes
Ask for a research position, moron. You want a professor to actually want a particular undergrad to do research for them? Fucking lmao. Write an email that says
>Hi, I'm an undergrad interested in your research project on ____. Do you have any opportunities if I want to get involved?

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>>12797472
>show aptitude
Fuck. Thanks, anon.
>>12797491
>>deletes his racebait whinging and reposts with brainlet takes
Kek, the race change was a reference to WoW where they let you change your race for $20 but I didn't mean for it to come out as racebait. But you're right though, could come off as less whiny.
>You want a professor to actually want a particular undergrad to do research for them? Fucking lmao. Write an email...
Yeah, I think at this point I'd have to just write emails asking for it, thanks anon.

>> No.12798040

>>12796056
Sounds really based actually. You're talking about the new fab they're doing in AZ right? Tell me more.

>> No.12798049

>>12797416
Go on your departments website and look at all the professors. Look at their websites and publications and see what kind of research they have going on. Find something you are interested in and then contact the professor asking to do some research for them. They will probably assign you to some grad student to help out. You will likely start for free or for course credit but if you're good they might fund you or recommend you for internships with their sponsors.

>> No.12798262

>>12796056
Dude I'd absolutely relocate to Taiwan, that'd be sick. I'll shoot some apps

>> No.12798331

>>12798040
I know some people in the hiring process now who are going through secondary recruiters. I personally applied on LinkedIn in December and had someone reach out to me directly in January. I had two interviews in February. They were supposed to be 2-4 weeks apart and receive an offer 2-4 weeks after the second interview. I must’ve done really well because I had my second interview a week later and received an offer 3 days after.

The interviews were the standard gambit of interview type questions but asked you to describe in detail the technical work on your resume. Zero technical questions on semiconductors. One thing they asked both times was if you’d worked with Taiwanese people before, or worked in intercultural groups and how you handled it.

My biggest advice is to look up how to interview with Taiwanese companies. I did a little bow at the start of the interview and they took it well, a little cultural respect thing.

Good luck Anon. It’s tough out there. Unsubscribing to job posting sites was cathartic.

>> No.12798341

>>12798331
I'm not looking for a job I was just curious, thanks though

>> No.12798353

>>12798331
I'm the ME student who you were originally responding to
Do you know if they hire more through LinkedIn or directly on their website's careers page?

>> No.12798719

>>12796286
Better than being an electronics incel

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>>12795585
Girls like it when I show them my rock collection, nerd. I’ve used the line ‘hey this party is getting boring. How about we go back to my place and I’ll show you my greenschist from the Oligocene of the Arapaho highlands.’ Works every time.

>>12796286
Dilate you fucking nerd

>> No.12798818

>>12798353
I’m not sure. Your best bet would be to do both, but my gut feeling is going through LinkedIn would be good so a hiring manager could see your page.

>> No.12798821

>>12798778
lol sure thing

>> No.12798917

>>12798778
actually i can confirm that girls like rocks. I'm not sure what it is. Maybe it's ritualization of very old nest-building instincts. Maybe it's an association with wealth and therefore protection. But girls do like pretty rocks, for whatever reason. Although I think you're being facetious because very few of them care about the geology aspects (unless they study geology), they just want to look at pretty rocks and hold them in their hands. maybe the girls I date are just weird.

>> No.12799020

What can I do with a B.Sc in molecular genetics? What more would I be able to do with a PhD in the same?

Should I just keep on the academic path and get a PhD (which is what most of my professors/advisors recommend)? I have connections in agriculture who have offered to hook me up with a job essentially doing pop. gen. work, but I'm not sure if the better idea is to plod along through my studies while my mind is still fresh.
I have active research going on and my grades are in the 3.5-3.7 range (still unfinished with my degree hence variation). So far I have no debt, and I'd prefer to keep it that way.
I'm second-guessing the PhD path because it seems like a lot of toil (which I don't mind in/of itself) and unless I can really make $100k+, I fail to see the benefit.
I went into this wanting to help people and improve the world; lately, I've gotten very cynical and I just want to raise a family and buy some land before all the arable land is bought up (already a problem). My school is being most unhelpful and as mentioned my professors are all adamant that I'd be better off with PhD route, that I'm well-suited for academics. I don't want to end up teaching for 50-60k a year - I'd rather not waste my time for such a pathetic payoff. My partner is already near-guaranteed a government job so I'm not really interested in benefits, just salary. Sorry for the blogpost, but I'm getting frustrated at the lack of help from my uni career/development center.

>> No.12799213

>>12799020
>partner
I would answer, but I don’t help faggots.

>> No.12799813

I want to apply to some cool summer REUs but almost all of them require letters of recommendation but I have no relationship with my ZoomU professors and they know nothing about me except that I get good grades. Am I fucked?

>> No.12799871

>>12799813
Yes. Attend office hours and talk to your professors fag. You can still build relationships if you try. Nothing has really changed except that building and maintaining relationships takes effort now.

>> No.12800092

>>12791527
The professors at my uni who have those jobs rarely if ever teach.
>>12793614
>>12792440
If you're applying to do this at a state school you may be able to look up the salaries of people doing those jobs. In my state I can look up the salary of any government employee.

>> No.12800331

>>12790454
There's a lot of us out there brosef, don't lose hope keep applying

>> No.12800346

>>12790518
I went through a similar struggle a couple years ago. Finish strong in your last year, trust me this is necessary

>> No.12800370

>>12800346
>trust me this is necessary
Can you articulate what you precisely mean? I am a different anon, but in the same situation (abysmal first years of undergrad and I have made a recovery in my third year)

>> No.12800702

>>12799871
>Nothing has really changed except that building and maintaining relationships takes effort now.
imagine unironically typing this

>> No.12800791

>>12800702
Ok retard. Continue with your woe is me attitude and don’t put any effort in. I’m sure opportunity will just fall in your lap.

>> No.12800826

>>12792380
you're def are fucked if you're not getting a reply now even with your bullshit experience you're not going to get a reply at all

>> No.12800832

>>12795124
>if you're a veteran

you don't have to do shit if you're a veteran and just ride that wave or made some shitty veteran owned start up and make overpriced coffee or something stupid

>> No.12801102

>>12767093
this times 20000
also being a nigger helps

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Hey guys, I'm an undergrad bioengineering student. I have a good chance of getting my name onto some published research in the next year or two, and it's looking like I might get some scholarship offers for grad school. I've seen some people ITT saying employment prospects for bioengineering aren't great, which is kinda concerning since I haven't heard that at all before. How screwed am I, if at all?

>> No.12802007

>>12800370
A lot of employers and post-grad acceptance committees are willing to forgive poor grades if you ace your last year. They understand that a lot of young people have no idea wtf they're doing and that bad grades don't necessarily make bad people.

Doing well your last year shows that you aren't dicking around and mean business.

>> No.12802798

>>12802007
Do employers typically interrogate an applicant's transcript to identify trends in academic performance (e.g. Drastic improvement of performance across years in undergrad)? I noticed a lot of graduate schools have a minimum GPA requirement, but they specify things like "3000 and 4000 level courses" or "Most recent two years of undergraduate studies".

>> No.12802912

If your grade went up during the corona instead of going down, would potential internship employers call you out on it? It's pretty obvious at this point that tests are harder and people are cheating

>> No.12802930

>>12802798
Of course they do. It's obviously different case to case, but an employer likes to see that you got your shit together, and can forgive bad grades early in college.

>>12802912
Very doubtful, there's way too many variables to consider. You could also make the argument you pulled through when things got stressful.

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>>12802930
>You could also make the argument you pulled through when things got stressful.
I hope so yeah, I was practically forced to cheat (this is me coping/giving excuses) with professors completely changing their exam styles and not giving us any form of reference/sample, only being told "hey it's harder, good luck, and no I don't have any practice/sample for you guys because it's a different format." Thanks anon.
Staying home all day is fucking infuriating, literally can't focus at all with everything going on around me.

>> No.12802981

>>12802946
>forced to cheat
You will be exposed as a fraud eventually. I hope for the sake of whoever has the misfortune of working with you that it will be sooner rather than later.

>> No.12802988

>>12802981
Thanks, I don't think I'll be exposed working as a CE

>> No.12803055

>>12801156
nah you'll be fine, bio is big business and will always be
wouldn't have gone for something so specific myself (physics here) but this is maybe an exception

>> No.12803073

Any UK FAANG employees? Finishing my CS MSc this summer, working on Neural Machine Translation optimization.

>> No.12803151

>>12802946
>zoomers justify cheating because an exam is difficult
how low will these new generations set the bar?

>> No.12803170

>>12803151
The best part is they're going to take over, we should get ready

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>>12803151
Different anon, but during the first online semester I maintained by integrity and chose to not cheat on any of my exams/assignments. That decision fucked me because all of the students who decided to write exams in groups of 5, completing one exam at a time inflated the testing averages. Normally a very difficult exam with an average of 40% would be adjusted retroactively because the professor recognizes they failed to create a fair exam, but when most of the class cheats and inflates the testing average to 70% no action is taken. Perhaps the average is hyperinflated to 90% and then grades are curved down because the grades reflect an easy exam.
Perhaps the parasitic boomer and gen x administrators/bureaucrats are responsible for shutting down universities for the fucking flu?

>> No.12803220

>>12803192
>That decision fucked me because all of the students who decided to write exams in groups of 5
For a physics 2 class, about 60% of the entire enrolled students are in a cheating group and massively inflated it to the point where no curve existed for the unfortunate 20-30 students who tried to maintain integrity.
The same is happening in my engineering course, where each student in their own group works on a design problem independently to tackle an otherwise "impossible to finish within given timeslot" test.

>> No.12803373

>>12803192
>>12803220
lel how do they cheat on these zoom exams? is there no proctoring?

>> No.12803420

>>12803373
None of mine have proctoring. Most are available to be written for a 24 hour window to accommodate students not living in the time zone, so groups of students can write one exam at a time in a group until all of their exams are completed. I don't work with other students and instead write exams using my notes and Google. It's worth noting that professors make exams more difficult because they assume some students will use cheat, so the questions are often applied rather than simply recalling a definition. In any case, it's difficult for me to compete with the brainpower of 5 students who have already seen the exam four times before writing the exam for the fifth time.

>> No.12803435

>>12803420
>24 hour window to accommodate students not living in the time zone
boomer/xoomer clown world

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12803437

I’m trying to get into Pharmaceuticals industry, Chemical engineering or Biomedical ?

>> No.12803487

>>12803435
Yeah, it's unbelievable. I brought up the various issues to my professors in April suggesting the formatting punishes anybody who writes the exam as prescribed and those who cheat are rewarded immensely (higher grade independently and relative to other classmates). I was assured that no abnormalities were detected during the writing of the exam and I have nothing to worry about. Meanwhile, everybody I spoke with following the exam mentioned that they found the exam easy and wrote it in the presence of classmates. I don't know whether I am more angry at the professors/administrators or my peers.

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>>12803487
Actually, I am most angry at myself for falling for the Jewish lie of (((Academic integrity)))

>> No.12803526

>>12803373
Near impossible to proctor unless you force the camera on desks.
The best way to counter it is to up the difficulty of the exam, which many of my professors and other professors have done.
The result is often that the questions are so poorly made/gauged/asked that the professor themselves cannot solve it or that it takes 4-5 hours past the allotted time, or is forced to turn a question into extra credit, thereby fucking over students who spent a decent amount of the test trying to figure out a solution to a poorly made problem.

>> No.12803540

>>12803487
Should just cheat. At the end of the day it only matters if the worst people in the class cheat (which the obvs will) because that drags the relative grades down by narrowing the distribution.

>>12803192
Yeah I only got 70% where I usually get 85%, but i knew i answered the questions with 95% accuracy.

They should just do zoom interviews to see if you know your shit or not.

Also had a conversation with the head of education. As I'm a chemist my lab time has been severely reduced and i can see this being a problem in a couple of years when the new grads come through with full lab experience. I asked what they were doing to ensure my qualification wasn't penalized, and if it was, how I would get my compensation. I got the glib reply "theres no "corona virus stamp" on your qualification so dont worry". I politely reminded him that there will be a FUCKING DATE FOR MY GRADUATION , and as we know when the pandemic took place, it sort of does have said stamp.

>> No.12803554

>>12803502
This. Fuck that shit, everyone else is going to cheat and you're going to be left behind. The whole thing is a joke.

>> No.12803556

>>12802946
I just find the lack of movement annoying. When at uni im moving between lectures, grabbing coffees, moving too/from the library, labs, gym etc. Being at home all I have is running and being online all the time (which i hate- i love browsing the library and miss a good textbook).

>> No.12803564

>>12803554
It really is insane. Most people I know who were honest (myself included) felt penalized. Granted others didn't, but im good friends with four top students in my year and only 1/4 felt we got the grades we deserved.

>> No.12803572

>>12803554
There is some satisfaction in being one of the few people who properly learned the course content though. I have noticed when working in group projects that nobody knows what they're talking about and I am viewed as a genius, I have even had requests to tutor classmates KEK. I think learning the content and then supplementing your exam writing w/ google and notes is the best approach. It seems that most people are skipping the 'learning the content' part and that will inevitably catchup with them.

>> No.12803588

>>12803540
My advice is to continue working against the Jewish adversity of academia (it will always be there, even without the online school circumstances) and try to optimize your performance. When you assist professors with research they are capable of assessing who has a 4.0 GPA and are competent versus who has an imperfect academic record but are smart.

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>>12803564
>>12803572
Ever since COVID hit, I had a hard time focusing and even caring about any of my classes. I'm so pissed off about my whole situation that I didn't even care about learning the content properly. I just want this shit to be over with so I can move on with my life. And now once I graduate I probably won't even get a job worth a shit. UGH.

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>>12803588
Yeah, should be doing some research this summer (hopefully) under one of the old guard at my uni. I'm just annoyed when rona hit I was really starting to get my life in order and had a clear plan, since then I've had too much time to think so feel like Im back in the ether.

>>12803589
Same, i'm still getting through stuff, but this whole "pretend online is absolutely fine" bs is retarded. It'll be alright in the end tho, the world cannot stay insane forever.

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>>12803640
>I was really starting to get my life in order and had a clear plan
I was planning to become an 'active' person and actually enjoy life, kind of sad that I can't sign up for improv classes now and actually learn how to talk to people. I don't think you can do improv over zoom, you lose so much 'essence' of it.
Good luck anon, for now, the best thing we can do is fight our urge to go on amazon/youtube/4chan/etc and just fucking study.
>>12803589
>And now once I graduate I probably won't even get a job worth a shit. UGH.
One of my biggest fears desu, lab classes are either online or 'mega fast' in person, I'll have no idea how hardware actually works and will probably fuck it up on the job.
>>12803572
>There is some satisfaction in being one of the few people who properly learned the course content though.
Definitely. It feels good 'being in the know' and having mastery over the content.
> I have noticed when working in group projects that nobody knows what they're talking about and I am viewed as a genius
Literally this. 80% of the people I'm in cheat groups with have no clue what the fuck is going on. The exam could be tomorrow and at the very last day, they'll go "so when's the exam? What's on it?" Sometimes I don't understand how they got so far.
>It seems that most people are skipping the 'learning the content' part and that will inevitably catchup with them.
The ideal strat is to learn and also cheat, get the best of both worlds and not have it catch up to you.

>> No.12803869

>>12803832
For me, I feel like I haven't learned shit, and if you were to give me any question pertinent to any of the classes I've taken, I probably wouldn't be able to do it. That's why I want to be a software engineer; I at least know how to fucking program. Beginning to feel the "fell for the math degree meme" feel.

>> No.12804020

>>12803192
>>12803220
The solution to these problems is obvious. Design an open notes test, or use a proctor service.

>> No.12804045

>>12804020
The proctor service is the only valid solution. The open notes test doesn't rectify the team-exam writing

>> No.12804149

>>12804020
>>12804045
I agree with what anon said bout open notes not working.
Proctoring also doesn't work, 'full proctoring' works but that'll lead to a bunch of privacy issues that some students will unironically sue over.

>> No.12804673

>>12804669
>NEW THREAD
>>12804669
>NEW THREAD
>>12804669
>NEW THREAD