/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12771640
Based edition. I gave up on the geology writeup I hope you guys don't mind. I have too many tests coming up

>>12771657
eh?

>>12771654
I'd say don't give up on it completely. Have the framework of it somewhere and whenever you come up with an idea or something write it down. Whenever you have free time then you can go and spend some time writing a bit. It will get done eventually. Good luck on those tests anon.

Third for Titan

>>12771674
Hop tonight?

>>12771657
Please don't.

>>12771674
Don't forget the first half of the photo anon. I had to break it up for size limit reasons

>>12771675
wed

*boom*

Will Wednesday be the day?

>>12771692
hop whensday

>>12771671
Thanks fren and you are right. I just felt compelled to do it within a week or so because the farmer anon got his out so fast. But you are right, I’ll chip away at it and share it eventually

>>12771692
wasn't it today?

SFG Mars rogg guide wen?

>>12771711
Soil looking a little damp today

>>12771703
weather is not good for today/tomorrow

Give me your proposals for a Martian magnetosphere and how we can build the project

>>12771728
fuck, back to study then.

>>12771640
If NASA/SpaceX had 20 years to build and fly an interstellar colony ship, what would they do? Is it possible?

https://www.strawpoll.me/42720871

>>12771736
Orion is just about the only thing I can think of that would really work

>>12771736
>NASA
20 years of coontracting and milking money before offsetting it for another 20 years

>>12771737

https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1366385687310848003

TODAY Join us starting at 12:30pm ET as
@NASA
hosts multiple briefings to highlight the Crew-2 mission to the
@Space_Station


12:30pm ET: Mission Overview News Conference
2pm ET: Crew News Conference
3:30pm ET: Round Robin Crew Interviews

Tune in http://go.nasa.gov/37IuRe2

Damn, the ship in 2001 was originally supposed to be an Orion propulsion ship but Arthur C. Clarke and Kubrick didn't want people thinking it was a parody after making Dr. Strangelove. Their model work was beautiful, it would have looked so cool had they gone with that idea anyways

Here is your Orion spacecraft anon. Is it everything you dreamed it would be?

Anyone pre-ordered Eric Burger's SpaceX book? Thinking of getting it if no one posts on libgen

>>12771781
>Dr. Strangelove
Such an overrated movie. R*ddit told me this was the funniest movie ever.

>>12771771
All these threads are your to shit post. Except sfg . Attempt no faggotry there

>>12771736
>UN
>ESA
>EU
Humanity would be better off if that went the way of SLS.
If we bring any of those outside of Earth we're doomed.

>>12771830
Cool go yell at them for it and never come back

>>12771728
What? It's 70*f and 0mph winds, how much better could it get?

>>12771874
I so badly wish I could have met this man and had a discussion with him.

>>12771874
Elon decides to make a generation ship filled with SpaceX employees with Victor Glover tagging along

>>12771898
>”The third Redstone flight on 5 May was a total loss as the engine cut off one second after launch, causing the rocket to fall back on the pad and explode. After this incident, Major General Holger Toftoy pressured Wernher von Braun for the cause of the failure. The latter replied that he had no idea, but they would review telemetry and other data to find out. Toftoy persisted, asking "Wernher, why did the rocket explode?" An exasperated von Braun said "It exploded because the damn sonofabitch blew up!"

>>12771917
Simple as

>>12771874
>Don't tell me that man doesn't belong there. Man belongs wherever he wants to go - and he'll do plenty well when he gets there
absolutely based

>>12771898
I talked to an Apollo engineer that talked to Von Braun once. It was a real honor.

>>12771874
LoL hypocrites first we need to solve problems down here

>>12771967
>>12771964
>>12771874
The only movie that really does him justice is October Sky

12 min to crew 2 conference

How many orbital bombardments of major population centres will be considered a "warcrime" in 2121?

>>12771812
>has worse delta v than apollo

>>12772008
One nuke could kill an entire colony of millions. Space bombardment will be scary

>>12772008
>mfw tried for shooting down evacuation ships by galactic UN

>>12772027
fucking bluepyjamas

>>12772027
globohomo become spaceohomo

>>12772027
Even in the far-off future the UN will bring you free blue plant holders.

>>12772008
>being able to enter, fly inside of, and SSTO out of Saturn's atmosphere
I know that's just an F-104 shooped into a Cassini render but goddamn that'd be a powerful engine. Literally Expanse tier.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2006/01/2337/
>2006
Good grief has there been any updates? Didn't the HDLT autist say it basically failed during recent testing or something? Give me some good news bros

Live https://youtu.be/9I8lvxoljvw

>>12772051
HDLT is a meme.

>>12772048
I've been dreaming that dream for the better part of a decade now.

I want to fly this

>>12772051
Hi, autist here. There was a paper in 2017 comparing the then-current state of the art in plasma thrusters. Nobody actually has a good mathematical model for how the HDLT works so they weren't able to make it scale up. It's still in the "hey, that's weird" phase of science.

>>12772073
Does this use meme tech? Could we build it today?

>>12772076
Oh that's right. Something about the helicon double layer not being well understood I think. Sucks. IMHO they should just build a couple of dozen models with different designs and pump them with 100Kw of electricity just to see what would happen

>>12772052
Just my router that needs a reboot or are the NASA streams stuttery as fuck?

>>12772087
No you're all good, the stream is dying rn for me as well

>>12772093
Unbelievable how shit NASA's infrastructure is that they can't maintain a stable 720p potato stream.

>>12772051
Microwave plasma ala Momentus in my opinion resembles the HDLT meme: electrodeless plasma, will run on water @ ~700 isp, 0.1ish m/s^2 acceleration

>>12772086
They should probably also make larger ones. My suspicion is that there's a fairly narrow density band where the double layer works so thrust scales with either diameter or volume.

>>12772099
The original HDLT test unit has an estimated Isp of 110,000.

Let's think of shitty novel methods for booster/spacecraft recovery
>have booster made out of modular tank sections
>each section has chutes
>retroburn to kill velocity
>rapid scheduled disassembly of booster when it hits transonic
>deploy chutes and have large quadcopters catch the pieces

>>12772119
Or each section has flip-out wings. The booster reenters and kills a lot of velocity before separating and all sections have pop out gliding winds. Sections proceed to autonomously fly back to runway

>>12772110
Oh I always thought it was supposed to be like 1k isp. I think the only drives with more than .000...x m/s^2 acceleration at comparably ridiculous ISP are fusion based or plasma sails.

>>12771415
Plasma magnet sails are the best solution as long as you're taking things away from the Sun. If you're willing to be tricky about timing you could probably also use a plasma magnet sail to send something out to grab a gravity assist from Jupiter in order to fall back in much closer to the Sun, then brake with your magnetic sail again to reduce relative velocity to your target (likely either sending things way in to Mercury/Venus, or maybe sending things to Earth from the asteroid belt, but either way going in takes much more effort and time).
Another option we will likely have is direct vented-plasma fusion thrust, which works by placing a fusion reactor in space. This will likely be our first fusion propulsion system to actually exist, but in the future with better technology and at larger scales we could develop new fusion systems optimized specifically for propulsion. This is assuming that fusion actually gets developed some day but ever since the invention of actually useful commercial forms of rare earth superconductor tapes this seems very likely to me. I would personally say that on our current trajectory honest-to-god fusion propulsion for deep space may be a reality in just a few decades. That prediction hinges mostly on Starship being successful and jump starting a real space economy though. If SPARC works out that will be a really good sign of things to come.
Finally, we can always default to the maximum-technological-readiness-level high Isp high thrust solution, the pulsed micro-fission rocket. This thing works kinda like inertial confinement (ie crushed pellet) fusion, except it's fission and the pellets are highly enriched uranium or plutonium. It works by blasting a conductive sheet of fissile nuclear fuel with enough electricity to crush it, while it passes through a region of neutron flux supplied by a small reactor. The pellet goes prompt supercritical and flashed into plasma, then gets magnetic-nozzled.

>>12772126
Come to think of it, the tank sections themselves could just be quadcopters

>>12772119
>pogo stick landing legs
>grid fins that flap to produce lift
>horizontal water landings like a seaplane with drag chutes
>SRB powered retropropulsive landing
>helicopter rotor that pops out from the top of a stage

>>12771736
>Spin up the nuclear fuel reprocessing plants boys, we have to turn all spent fuel rods and preexisting warheads into 5 kT yield pulse units and have 10 million of them completed by zero hour.
>Good news everyone, all annual limits on intake of radionuclides have been lifted! No more time consuming showers or months of delays for safety reviews.
>WE GAAN

>>12772119
Anything that isn't flyback or retropropulsive

>>12772119
magnetic brakes

>>12772024
That is literally already the case, but replace colony with metropolitan area. In fact since a colony would mostly be built underground in structures meant to protect from "1000 year impactors" they'd likely be much LESS susceptible to bombardment by nukes than any place on Earth. Imagine Switzerland but also they have full control over all their air and everyone already lives in the bunkers.

>>12772081
>Does this use meme tech?
yes
Could we build it today?
no

>>12772119
Use high-power lasers to vaporize the components as they are released and then fly a plane to capture the remaining metallic elements scattered in the atmosphere.
Might not work when it's raining.

>>12772110
Maybe at a maximum, meaning minimal mass flow rate, but I thought the whole point of HDLT was that it was dial-a-thrust, where you run at a constant power and vary the propellant flow rate to achieve different Isp. For example, you can use up all your propellant in an hour at 600 Isp, or you can reduce the mass flow rate by a factor of 1000 and get a 100 fold increase in efficiency, therefore making your propulsion system more flexible for doing things like long acceleration burns in deep space before completing time-sensitive delta V maneuvers to hit gravity assist windows and such.
0.1 m/s^2 at 110,000 Isp is not possible unless you have an actual fusion candle.

>>12772132
Plasma sails for round trips work best with nuclear infrastructure at the far end for anything between Mars and Neptune. Given high thrust nuclear tug infrastructure at Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus, and either a tug or beamed power at Neptune for the trip home, the plasma magnet sail is nearly optimum for all interplanetary missions inside the orbit of Pluto.

>>12772119
Literally KSR tier lmao

>>12772170
Holy kek

did you see Peter Beck eating a piece of his hat?
lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rafa_WBFIyE
why did he do it?

>>12772119
propulsive landing Orion battleships

>>12772171
>but I thought the whole point of HDLT was that it was dial-a-thrust, where you run at a constant power and vary the propellant flow rate to achieve different Isp
No, you can do that with basically any electrical propulsion system with neutral propellant, or an NTR. The HDLT is a meme precisely because it's a self organizing fusion scale exhaust velocity at a tiny fraction of the power cost.

>>12772174
Yeah in a different comment in the other thread I mentioned that fusion engines by extension let you build up large facilities for blasting particle beams into space near whatever object you want two-way transport from, which means one fusion reactor lets you send basically unlimited numbers of plasma magnet sail spacecraft to and from your target, without those spacecraft needing their own (presumably expensive) fusion engines.

>>12771737
>no Venus
kys

>>12772181
He said he would eat his hat if RocketLab ever built a big rocket, did manned space flight, or did reusability, and now they're planning on doing all three. He didn't really eat his hat though, he ate a small portion.

>>12772181
Are you posting from Pluto anon?

>>12772181
He only took a taste, didn't season it and the presentation was awful.
Very good marketing campaign for somebody just entering the stock market though.

>>12772181
He has stated several times that:
1) reusability
2) a larger rocket
3) send humans to space
That's why he ate his hat.

>>12772196
the video is of today retard

>>12771737
you'll niggas only bored with Mars because it has the most available data. Titan is cool but will be extremely challenging to colonize if that's even possible, and Europa is kinda gay ngl (its main claim to fame is subsurface ocean, which pretty much any other big icy object everywhere we look has too).

>>12772196
not everybody is a NEET like you that can watch space news 24/24

>>12772202
Pluto is ~8 hours away by light, round trip.

>>12772081
how is it meme tech tard

Winnebago wins cost plus contract for lunar habitats. they provided a render

>>12772181
>why did he do it?
he hat to do it

>>12772205
>not blowing off work at your nuclear facility to shitpost in /sfg/
you have to live it

>>12771737
>>12772203
ok this is the real poll since this anon missed just something... Venus
https://www.strawpoll.me/42721591

>>12772155
Even more important I believe is that as a colony you would prioritize independent capability for launch, rocket IFF, micrometeor/debris recognition and neutralization, etc. If you're doing colonization right it should naturally become an area denial fortress.

>>12771654
Concentrate in your exams, fren

>>12772203
It was exploration not colonization, Titan is kino as fuck and I want to see more of it.

>>12772219
The answer is still Titan, but Venus is cool as well
>>12772182
Kek

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/01/rocket-lab-ceo-spac-deal-a-supercharger-for-growth.html
A little bit more info from Beck
>He compared Neutron to Soyuz
>Designing Neutron for a three-passenger capsule
>Planning to build the Neutron factory near Wallops, suggesting that they're really gonna double down on that site
>Cites customer need as driving development for Neutron

>>12772214
Unironically, stainless steel cans shipped by Starships and joined together on the Moon would make a great starter base. Send enough to act as a sleeping barracks, mess hall, and control room, then remote pilot some robotic machinery just outside in order to take rolls of sheet metal and weld together a much larger monolithic pressure vessel to outfit with internal furnishings and eventually move into. Repeat for a large pressurized machine shop. Repeat for a large semi-habitable foundry for smelting and producing metals. Repeat again to build a metal-mirror-and-steel-pipe factory. Assemble mirrors and pipes outside into a large solar-thermal power plant. Continue building new shit. At some point dig tunnels. Never EVER print anything.

>>12772119
Modify the world's largest bouncy castle to become the world's largest airbag

>>12772231
This is so cringe, Peter. And not building it in Texas is a mistake

>>12772203
Shut the fuck up, Titan has has an ice crust and mirror-like methane lakes which are very transparent. And you can see Saturn and it has the apparent size of three moons. Mars is just rog desert which we have here

kek

>>12772232
Send a couple of starships filled with prefabricated metal plates, weld them together on site, and then bury them in a trench.

Bam, 100% sealed, and it's radiation proof.

also bets are open for the SN10 landing / crashing spot

>>12772248
Boom in C4.

>>12772240
BASED. But someone brought up something interesting from the last thread: how could Titan become self-sufficient. ISRU of metal would be a problem. You could eventually build habs out of ice or something and live in igloos. But you would want metal eventually and not have to rely on T*rran sources.

>>12772243
based

>>12772248
C3

>>12772248
Crash on C3

>>12772248
D3

>>12772248
I think that this one will probably land, but if the last one is anything to go by I'll go with A4 to be off the beaten track.

>>12772245
can you weld on the moon? (outside)

>>12772248
C, -2

>>12772264
with certain types of welding, yes

>>12772252
>>12772243

Considering Elon's history with the weed number I expect they will all die in a fiery explosion

>>12772250
>But you would want metal eventually and not have to rely on T*rran sources.
The inner planets are by definition most of the rocks and metals in the solar system. Your choices are scrounging from asteroids or dealing with it.

So some ex-SpaceX and Blue Origin employees got together to make a fully reusable 2nd stage.
https://www.stoke-space.com/

>>12772275
Some SpaceX insiders claim Elon injects over 500 weeds a day

>>12772264
I think that you still can with an electric welder, because all you're doing is creating bonds between two pieces of metal by heating them.

>>12772279
Solid point. Trying to refine from asteroids would be too meme tier anyways. Just import from Earth (or tell earth to go fuck itself and import from Mars assuming its self sufficient)

>>12772282
Ugh when will this shit end, 99% of these companies are gay
>also Blue Origin already has ex-employees before getting a single gram to orbit
>also not calling the first guy a Space-ex employee

>>12772248
roll

>>12772301
It’s like the internet startup era, except with rockets. Anyhow I know SpaceX is part of “NewSpace” but they preceeded most of the smallsat rat race by a decade.

>>12772248
D4

>>12772306
does this count as A5?

>>12772203
>Titan is cool but will be extremely challenging
that's why Venus is the true deal

>>12772291
It has some dark sand on the surface so idk

>>12772290
We're doing some pipe welding here in Norway now with high frequency induction. It's freaky to see shit get welded in seconds.

>>12772318
No, Isaac, you can’t colonize venus

>>12772314
nah Its A6, not depicted on the picture

>>12772326
wait and you'll see...

>>12772335
>Wayut and ül thee

>>12772301
They aren't making the whole rocket though, just the 2nd stage. Maybe RocketLab's Neutron as first stage?
Also looks like they are all senior engineers from BE3 and BE4 programs.

Noticed the chicken next to raptor yesterday, but this guy noticed the thunder label.

What's the chance its a chad thundercock(the alpha raptor) vs thunderchicken.

>>12772322
Titan sands aren't silicates. It's organic shit that precipitates from the atmosphere due to organic-chemical interactions from upper atmosphere radiation. Tholins is the scientific name for the sticky sand stuff, if I remember correctly

>>12772341
thunderchicken maybe the "official" name but its probably thundercock

Titan and Europa are most interesting to explore and to impregnate with earth bacteria but on second thought Mars is better to colonize because it has Iron and more sunlight

>>12772341
The BASED Raptor engine (COCK AND PENIS) will FUCK the pussy RS-25 (VAGINA) until it CUMS

>>12772350
Extremely based

Talked to @Peter_J_Beck
about Neutron. Some additional details:

• 8 tons to LEO is reusable
• plan is to propulsively land
• not talking pricing yet, but "highly competitive"
• no composite structures, definitely "metallic"
• avionics, computers, IMUs directly form Electron
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1366456012291604483

Idk this Neutron thing just looks like a paper rocket designed to get shareholders excited and investing before RocketLab goes belly-up desu.

>>12772349
>impregnate with earth bacteria
You are going to get cancelled for saying something like this in a decade. Probably will be comparable to saying you want to start forest fires or dumping toxic shit in a river.

Sorry to break it for you, but - we are here to stay. It's our duty.

>>12772363
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1366455085035884546
>So I pushed him on propulsion and he said they were still doing trade studies and not ready to talk yet. Trying to balance reusability (fewer engines) and capability to propulsively land the rocket.
Kinda struggling to see how this could fly in 3 years if they haven't really started engine development.

>>12772377
Yeah I agree. Also agree with >>12772372. I like rocketlab as it stands right now, but merging and going public might be a mistake. Beck might become a paper rocket contract-chaser. He already seems to have hopped on the "GOVERNMENT, HELP ME CANCEL STARLINK" train

>>12772372
Sooner or later all the smallsat launchers are going to go down. Ride sharing is just far more economical than using special tiny rockets

>>12772379
Starlink is directly cutting into Comcast profits endangering american job security and vital communication services.

>>12772387
Good

>>12772384
It seems like over the past month, the smallsat launchers have been having a rude awakening. No longer are they planning to die on the hill of tiny expendable rockets. Instead they're going for a hail mary by going public and rushing to develop a rocket for an even tighter market that may put them in a slightly better position to compete with Starship.

>>12772397
It's the only way they have any chance of staying relevant. My prediction is they're all be cannibalized by other space companies in the next couple years

>>12772397
Does any other rocket even have a realistic chance at competing with Starship? Assuming New Glenn was flying splendidly right now, or will be flying splendidly in ~2 years [doubt] could it possibly cut into Starship's private launch market?

>>12772418
No. Not even remotely.

>>12772363
No offense but this shit seems like vaporware

>>12772411
Imagine if BO became an orbital company through acquisition.

>>12772418
The hope seems to be that customers (especially the government) won't be willing to hand SpaceX a monopoly, so they're rushing to compete with ULA for the #2 spot(s).

>>12772418
Yes, because SS isn't going to be in full operation for many years. But if they can pull it off they're eventually dominate the market for a good while

>>12772422
Are you saying that with certainty? Or are you saying it because Musk is promising a lot with starship. Not trying to judge you or anything, but I've seen anons here talk about how the "supply" of satellites won't be high enough for starship for a while. From what they have said, New Glenn could be more economical for a while. Idk if this is true or not though

>>12772073
is that a V2?

>>12772349
>Titan and Europa are most interesting to explore and to impregnate with earth bacteria
did you miss the part where it says that there are -170°C on the surface of both these moons and also extremely low gravity?

>>12772437
>>12772424
both made me lol

>>12772418
If starship can meet the rapid reusability targets set by Musk, probably not. That’s definitely not a forgone conclusion, however.

>>12772434
The space launch market works in a weird way. It's extremely unlikely for any company or rocket to get a monopoly even if they are dominating the market. If that was possible SpaceX would already be the only launch provider left

>>12772424
it's definitely a gamble, but there's no other way they can stay in business. Obviously this shit isn't going to go from a paper rocket to orbit in 3 years, though.

>>12772238
Why is it cringe? Curious

>>12772073
this whole general is just for kids who watched jimmy neutron

>>12772209
anon... that's not the problem you absolute autist

>>12772350
Fucking based

>>12772451
Cringe was the wrong word. It isn't cringe, but it is foolish.

>>12772248
ain't never happened B4

>Muskrats coping over RocketLab soon to BTFO ShitX

So how is Starship going to handle landing/taking off on a dusty/gravel surface again?

>>12772387
Based.

>>12772471
Wow, based!

>>12772432
And neither are any of these other new rockets so what's your point

so rocket lab is building...falcon 5?

>>12772387
How many H1B's and outsourced jobs does Comcast employ compared to SpaceX? Then we will see who is endangering American job security

>>12772473

Its March 2 in Japan Yusaku when is the Starship update

>>12772488
Seems closer to reusable Falcon 9 1.0 or Antares

>>12772373
ok inseminate with earth microbes then

>>12772488
Sort of, yes. Direct competitor to Soyuz with reusable first stage.

>>12772487
That it's uncertain what will happen

>>12772495
wtf is that

>>12772442
Did you miss the part where it says that both Europa has a warm global under-ice ocean with a rocky ocean(for minerals). Titan also has an underground ocean

>>12772510
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2020_Phase_I_Phase_II/Instant_Landing_Pads_for_Artemis_Lunar_Missions/

>>12772505
Will it be based or cringe if all rocketlab does is end up BTFO'ing roscosmos and becomes NASA's third option for commercial crew
Also would Neutron be capable of launching a cargo dreamchaser?

>>12772510
Retardation

>>12772452
Gonna have to watch it before my vpn subscriptions runs out and before I cancel netflix. Also there are some oldfags here too

>>12772510
small pellets of aluminum get fired at the ground by the engines. A neat idea, but it's probably never going to work.

>>12772473
Extra engines will be brought as spares.

>>12772471
Neutron flies in 2024 at the earliest

>>12772522
sounds cool though. I'd love to see it tried

>>12772516
8t to LEO, they intend to human rate it. That as well as it intending to land on what appears to be 4 or 5 engines is interesting enough for me to be a bit excited about at least. Will probably be a bigger version of their rutherford engines, so might see some really fucking deep throttable engines.
As for launching a Dreamchaser? Nope. Not gonna happen. That'd be like trying to launch a Klipr on a Soyuz when it was intended to launch on a Proton only it was too much of a fucking lardass of a craft to make it to orbit.

>>12772250
As a titanfag, one solution would be to use the abundant hydrocarbons to build infrastructure out of plastics while ice is a temporary stopgap. The weird thing about Titan is if they had a good nuke generator it is still the most sufficient place without earth shipments, it would be hard to do anything advanced without shipments but you would have water, air, heat and food. Water on mars is going to be harder to process and extract and more prone to mechanical failures or hard rationing but you would have more energy with more failsafes. But if you had to be stuck for a decade without earth space shipments you would probably rather be on Titan. If something went wrong on titan with the generator you all just freeze, on mars you are slowly irradiated to death and run out of accessible water/air.

>>12772512
*Did you miss the part where it says that Europa has a warm global under-ice ocean with a rocky seafloor(for minerals). Titan also has an underground ocean.

>>12772534
>Will probably be a bigger version of their rutherford engines
This is unlikely. Electric turbopumps don’t scale particularly well.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062979973
Liftoff: Elon Musk and the Desperate Early Days That Launched SpaceX
By our SpaceX shill Eric Berger

>>12772232
>>12772214
The starter base is going to be printed. See
>>12766179
>>12766179
>>12766179

>>12772510
It's F-F-FAST!!

>>12772543
I dunno man, we'll see what they have in store for us. 4 or 5 kerolox gas generators are gonna have a hell of a time throttling low enough to land.
Of course, it can all change and they'll go for the magic 9 by 2024.

>>12772546
I can't get over his pfp

Someone explain this shit to me. Is this a universal engineering design for making tall skinny structures stand up that everyone learns about in college? Or did Musk design something and everyone else outright just decided to copy.

>>12772566
some of both

>>12772547
no, it's going to be cgi

>>12772538
Depending on how warm it is down there, you could see quite a bit of life forming. Because the ice would act as a pretty solid protective layer

>>12772565
he's very handsome

>>12772566
Why waste time and money developing a landing system when you can just copy from the one you know works?
>t. MBA manager logic

>>12772566
anything on F9 that isn't explicitly patented you would be retarded not to straight up copy. Why bother with introducing more R&D and more critical points of design failure when you could just use what has already been proven to work? All rockets are mostly the same anyway—there's no shame in working off of proven designs.

>>12772570
>>12772583
>>12772587
This is pretty fucking stupid. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame them for using a design that ain't broke. But I'm pretty sure every company in this photo has outright complained about Musk or Starlink to some degree. They are all playing a game of catchup and Musk is leaving them in his methalox plume trail

Reminder that Earth will be uninhabitable in 100 million years regardless of humans because the Sun will be too hot

>>12772599
What's your point

>>12772602
We NEED to colonize space. It's not a matter of "muh exploring".

>>12772599
good thing human descendants will have colonized the galaxy and probably started on the local group

>>12772599
We'll have either gone extinct or established colonies in other star systems by then so who cares

>>12771657
Must suck having nothing ever decent to say eh?
Just kys zoomer, do us all a favour here :)

>>12772599
>Reminder that Earth will be uninhabitable in 100 million years regardless of humans because the Sun will be too hot

Wrong. It's about 800,000,000.

>>12772234
wtf i Love America now

>>12772618
The water will boil in 800 million. It will be too hot to survive long before that.

>>12772606
No one actually gives a fuck about anything whatsoever happening a million years from now, let alone 100 million, except retarded faggot nerds with no real problems in their life

>>12772596
This always happens when a company comes along and disrupts an industry. Musk has made or developed several of these companies. There are hit pieces out in the washington post or other left-leaning media outlets about Musk virtually every week and they have gaslit millions of liberal-identifying people that Musk is an enemy of theirs when really he is the only one fighting for what they want. The industrial powers want to tear down anyone who tries to step in on their territory and will never admit they were wrong about the disruptor as they shameless accept that their business model was fundamentally broken and try to play catchup.

>>12772620
You are dumb

>>12772620
Good news is Titan will become MORE habitable as the sun enters its final phase

https://twitter.com/ckindel/status/1366448917685002245
fucking kek

>>12772625
>faggot
Why the homophobia?

>>12772633

>>12772625
say it to my face, you whiny bitch

>>12772640
You know it's true nigger

>>12772647
so what

Huh...
https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1366414875656912910?s=21

>>12772633
Which company?

>>12772654
Something they were already going to do anyway? I guess might as well get paid.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/03/so-what-really-happened-with-blue-origins-new-glenn-rocket/
The Bergster is on fire today

>>12772633
I hope I don’t steal your (you)s anon but people react more when you have a screenshot

>>12772640
Is this real?

>>12772668
At this point I'll just buy his book instead of getting it from libgen

>>12772547
>send people
>those people stack bricks and finish the habitat
>no meme 3D printing that takes more work because the cement is pourous and ugly

>>12772587
There are no patents because patents are easy way for China to copy.

>>12772654
>let us in on your cheap thermal protection for starship
Might as well

>>12772668
TLDR: Bezos is overly ambitious and ungrounded, and Bob Smith is so grounded that he turned BO into oldspace.
Also, kek
>But long before New Shepard took its first flight, Bezos was already deep into planning his next rocket. During a meeting in December 2011 with then-NASA deputy administrator Lori Garver, Bezos discussed an orbital rocket capable of challenging SpaceX's Falcon 9 booster. As Christian Davenport recounts in his book The Space Barons, Bezos told Garver at the time, "I want to tell you about my big rocket."

>>12772205
>didn't stay up all night to buy rocket lab stock at premarket open

>>12772706
>I want to tell you about my big rocket.
Okay either Bezos is super cringe or he is secretly super based
>>12772704
I believe SpaceX is using government-invented heat shields, are they not?

>>12772712
>I want to smell you alive
He’s a creep lol

>>12772712
Read his leaked chats, super-cringe

>Rocket Lab is now fully migrating to the US
This is such bullshit
The country that already has too many space companies is stealing our only one

>>12772668
>liberal animals talking about inequality in the comments

>>12772721
it was always really a US company
most private space companies are US based... even Virgin Galactic is

>>12772729
It wasn't in its pre-Electron days

>>12772633
>Sending rocket parts with FedEx
ngmi

>>12772721
You can always become state 51 if you want.
Get your guns back, better speech protections, and stuff.

wtf was that Elon ketamine tweet? lmao

>>12772742
The US is only a pseudo-democracy though
Being in an actual democratic country is way better and more secure

>>12772742
Bonus points, it would also cuck the absolute shit out of the Chinese, steal another posession from the British Crown, and give the US a territorial claim in Antarctica. I support this.

>>12772752
t. literal subject/serf

>>12772752
No, the US is a democracy. It might not be a direct democracy but that's fine.
The founders, and most Americans, are against direct democracy.

ahem... FUCK NEPTUNE AND FUCK URANUS THEY ARE COMPLETELY USELESS SHIT PLANETS

EVEN WORSE THAN MERCURY

>>12772755
>and give the US a territorial claim in Antarctica. I support this.
The US reserves the right to claim a piece of Antarctica even though it hasn't.
However, America has the most and the largest bases down there.
It's all about the optics.

>>12772757
When I was a kid I used to think Neptune was an ocean planet

>>12772752
Lol, describe how "actual democracy" doesn't always devolve into dysgenic plutocracy. Only way any form of democracy works is with extremely strict suffrage at which point you just wouldn't bother with elections at all

did musk just delete like 400 of his tweets?

>>12772712
The stuff they use on dragon, pica-x, is derived from nasa's pica ablative material.

>>12772752
This desu.

Almost all of America's problems can be traced to the weakening of America's democracy under the weight of lobbying and various corporate oligarchies

If blue origin has all the equipment for making the rocket, why aren’t they producing flight hardware and doing hops with a single or duo engines?

Is the delays because they’re engines don’t work, and they have to go to Vulcan first thing?
What sorta disaster of a decision was that...

Maybe your first engine should be a simple gas generator with methane/lox, idiots

>>12772772
lolno, the problems started with more democracy, not less. Every amendment between 12 and 20 was a mistake.

>>12772752
>>12772772
Actual redditors.

>>12772756
You can only elect two parties though and they're both garbage.
Sure, other parties can technically exist, but simulations have shown those parties will never win. A system where only two parties can possibly win is the same as a system where only two parties are legal.

You have one party states, you have democracies, and right inbetween you have the US as a two party state.

>>12772772
Uh more like everything can be traced back to expansions of suffrage

>>12772772
Which is a result of American voting rights being expanded to more and more people. America was never intended to be a democracy. The more it embraces democracy the worse it will serve the interests of the people.
>>12772779
>simulations
Like reality?

>>12772776
More egalitarian democracy - lower common denominator - easier to bribe, brainwash, manipulate - stronger oligarchy

Basically the usage of radio and TV from their invention has been grotesquely immoral in democratic societies.

>>12772766
That would be so fucking based

>>12772779
>You can only elect two parties though and they're both garbage.
You can elect whoever the fuck you want.
In fact, we allow write-ins. If you don't like anyone on the ballot write fucking someone in.
It doesn't happen often, Murkowski being the famous recent example. But it does happen.
Also, some starts are beginning to roll out RCV.

Listen, I don't think you know much about how America works.

>>12772757
I like Neptune because it's the least talked about planet and I like things that are obscure.

Will the Neutron rocket be capable of carrying Crew Dreamchaser? If so, launching from Wallops is going to get Beck so many fedbux.
>manned spaceport a three hour drive from DC
>spaceplane can land at Dulles without any inclination change

>>12771640
“We must reach far beyond our own lifespans. We must think not as individuals but as a species. We must confront the reality of interstellar travel.”

>>12772812
finna get back into ksp

>>12772752
>>12772772

>>12772779
When was the last time the UK had a PM who wasn't Labour or Conservative? All democracies devolve into a two party system no matter how you dress it up.

>>12771640
Last Starlink failed to land because of an engine failure on ascent
> Benji Reed (SpaceX): Notes that by flying Falcon 9 rockets so often, they are learning more about the launch vehicle. An anomaly during the recent Starlink mission was due to a boot having a hole in it during ascent. An engine was shutdown safely as a result.

>>12772790
>write someone fucking in
That's how you waste a vote, because it's not like enough people will agree to write that person in to do anything.
A country can only have more than two parties if even a small percentage of the vote is enough to gain some political influence.

In New Zealand for example, a party requires only 5% of the vote (or an electorate) to have members of parliament.

>>12772825
Once again, doesn't happen often on the federal or state level. Murkowski is a famous example. But it does happen at the lower levels.
No, a country can have more than two parties with RCV, and that's the direction were heading towards. Though, frankly, I hate parties and would ban them from the political process entirely.
Nebraska has no parties in their legislature. Although, free country - free association, people still associate with parties and get supported by them. Nebraska is also the only state with a unicameral legislature. Weird place.

In any case, I hate parliamentary systems. So you and I will never agree.

>>12772802
asked here >>12772516
answered here >>12772534
It seems the answer is no unfortunately. Would be cool though.

>>12772824
>due to a boot having a hole in it
ScrubX is absolutely soleless

>>12772825
New Zealand is globohomo central. It’s legal to kill babies the day before birth with no restrictions

>>12772825
>a party requires only 5% of the vote (or an electorate) to have members of parliament.
In the US we vote for PEOPLE, not parties.
Your system is disgusting.

>>12772838
Dreamchaser is a meme. It’s literally just a capsule at this point seeing as you throw away half of the thing every flight

>>12772837
>he thinks the US has free association

>>12772812
>Collectivism

Time for the helicopter ride

>>12772824
>Why yes, we safely shut down the engine
>And blew up the whole fucking booster in the process
Kek

>>12772856
Nigga the quote is Michael Caine talking to Matthew McCounaghey

>>12772851
Yeah I don't disagree. It would have been cool if it were ready to fly the second shuttle ended, and existed only to cover the gap. But alas it is STILL being developed and will probably be further cucked out of resupply contracts.

>>12772856
Sorry, but you're taking a free rocket ride.

>>12772864
They’ve pretty much cancelled manned dream chaser.

>>12772823
Because it doesn't exclusively use the Single Transferrable Vote for electing the prime minister.
NZ has exactly the same issue, although it has a number of relevant parties the voting system makes it hard to make the jump from "relevant" to "top two".

Not that it's entirely the fault of the voting system that two of NZ's four relevant parties have no chance of electing a prime minister. One of those two parties isn't decisive enough, and the other isn't general enough.

>>12772850
MPs are voted for as well. It's not just the party vote.

>>12772872
No point doing it if NASA is not going to pay them

>>12772867
Collectivists are real shit at making rockets.

>>12772860
wtf are you even saying

>>12772873
Well I hope your happy in your great country of New Zealand. And I hope your happy with your rocket companies.
Oh, wait, your only one of note abandoned in favor of America.

>>12772891
I forgot to read the beginning of your post just disregard what I said

>>12772895
based and jingoismpilled

>>12772860
engine was shut down on ascent, it blew up on reentry.

how long do you think until your average person can buy a (one way) trip to mars? How much will it cost? Would everyone be given work assignments? Would it be possible for rich fucks to not do anything and live in the colony as if it were a resort? Imagine the animosity the hundreds of laborers would feel towards someone like that after selling their house and spending their life savings going there to work

>>12772902
I know I was dumb and read it as "engine had a problem on the way down so we successfully shut it off", just disregard
>>12772633
Damn what idiots

>>12772757
>FUCK URANUS

>>12772908
To quote elon musk: "you shouldn't be restricted just because of money. There will be a system where you can go to Mars and work off your debt there". I doubt this will actually happen though and I have a feeling Mars will be populated by the very very niche group who fall under the venn diagram of "rich" "smart" "willing to leave Earth and risk their lives on a rocket that might crash" "mentally stable to a huge extent" "again, very rich" and "probably educated, even beyond a bachelors".

>>12772908
It would have to run like a research station or military base in the beginning, with everyone required to work. Ideally freeloaders should be sent back to earth, but if that's unfeasible, there's not much that can be done really.

Rocket Lab's investor presentation mentions a 2024 Mars mission "for NASA". What could this be? Also, they made the classic blunder of using an eclipsed moon in place of Mars.

>>12772915
It's literally a free ride back to Earth from Mars. It will be pretty easy to deport people and send people home who cry after one week away from their precious Earth and social media

It's all so tiresome frens. Spaceflight is a good distraction from many problems.

>>12772916
Oh cool. Mission 1 is a meme, mission 2 is a huge meme, and mission 3 is fucking useless. Also lol "disrupting the market". As if.

>>12772916
Where does it say that? Only the moon one states it's for nasa.

>>12772926
On a different slide

>>12772917
not really, all the life support systems needed for human passengers need to be running on a return trip plus you probably need some sort of medical person + technician on every flight lasting many months whcih means the cost of a return trip goes up a decent amount and you lose passenger slots on the following shipment of sardines

>>12771640
Why tf did RocketLab go public?

>>12772264
Definitely, in fact electron beam welding (objectively the best kind of welding) ONLY works in hard vacuum. The only thing you'd need to worry about is the presence of lunar grit on the metal surfaces to be welded, which can be solved by wiping.

>>12772712
They modified pica-x and developed cheaper alternative for Dragon capsules. Likely they're doing something similar for Starship with similar architecture.

>>12772914
how rich is very rich? I could afford a one way trip for ~1.5-2m in a couple decades

>>12772566
>everyone else outright just decided to copy.
This

>>12772944
$$$

>>12772944
Desperation + current space stock valuation through the roof due to SpaceX.

>>12772625
Only brown people think short term. The galaxy will be conquered by europeans

>>12772635
Leave

>>12772322
its hydrocarbon sand

>>12772961
Why are they desperate I thought they had a dedicated launch market?

>>12772974
It's a "dedicated" launch market that 1. is about to be saturated with new entrants and 2. is being jeopardized by rideshare and tugs.

>>12772291
>Trying to refine from asteroids would be too meme tier anyways
Not if you're colonizing Titan, which necessarily means you've already had a solid manned presence growing on Mars for decades, which all but guarantees a strong Mars-orbital presence whereby the Mars niggas have developed the ability to turn bits of Phobos and Deimos into useful building materials and resources, and since Phobos and Deimos are about as close as you can get to asteroids without actually being asteroids, that technology translates directly to mining and colonizing the asteroid belt at large.
From there it's a very short, modest leap towards using big plasma magnet sails to haul billion ton asteroids out to Saturn on 10 year transfers (which means you also have enough time in Saturn's SOI to use your magnetic sail to capture, and therefore achieve almost propellantless transport of bulk materials to Titan). Once in a Saturn orbit you're a few strategic delta-V maneuvers away from achieving a Saturn-Titan L4 or L5 orbit, at which point you're like 6 km/s round-trip from Titan's surface at most. Finally, you can use spinning tether launch assist infrastructure to slingshot your Titan SSTO vehicles back to Titan for free, except the cost of the electricity to spin up the tether. That means the actual delta V you need to supply propellant for is only to get the Titan SSTO out to the L4/L5 point in the first place, which is also when it's at its lightest. Your SSTO can lift off Titan with a mass of 1000 tons, arrive at L4 or L5 with a mass of 300 tons, and reenter Titan with a mass of 5000 tons, glide to a landing, offload, and go around again.
EZPZ.

>>12772851
The crew variant is still supposed to have integral everything.

>>12772944
If insane people are willing to value a company with like 100 million a year in revenue, at 4 billion dollars, then hey take the free money

>>12772914
So people with a fertility rate of 0.2?

Lol there’ll never be a colony

>>12772914
>I doubt this will actually happen though
Why not?

>>12772918
Same here fren. I am channeling my autism and am now designing an SFG orion ship for fun. I might get super specific with it and do the entire interior and everything. Is 50m a good diameter? What else does it need?
• Rooms and accommodations
• Possible docking ports? Extra inflatable habs on the outside?
• The SHAFT
what else?

>>12772326
>Today on SFIA, how to colonize the cores of Wolf-Rayet stars

>>12772322
It's literally frozen bunker oil basically, so cold it's not even tacky anymore just brittle

>>12773012
If your pulse units can be measured in megatons, then so should your payload t b h
Bigger the better for anything Orion, incomplete fission pulse units are such a waste

>>12773012
Fuck it, inflatable spin hab is going on there somewhere. It will also have a FUCK URF bumper sticker somewhere on the ass

>>12773012
Is it a colony ship? Interstellar? A warship?

>>12773008
because it's completely delusional

>>12772654
I see literally nothing wrong with this

>>12773023
I haven't really decided. In my head it would just be a ship to travel around from Earth to Mars, to Titan, to Ceres. No real goal other than "what if /sfg/ had money and nukes and the means to make a pulse propulsion rocket"

>>12773025
How exactly is indentured servitude delusional?

>>12772692
>because the cement is pourous and ugly
So you want to waste insane levels of money and supplies on astronauts because you don't like the look?

>>12773019
>If your pulse units can be measured in megatons, then so should your payload t b h
THIS. It's the best interstellar ark technology.

>>12773027
Very cool! Looking forward to it

>>12772377
They're likely trying to explore two pathways; trying to get electric pump engines to work on this much larger scale vehicle, vs developing a new conventionally powered engine from (almost) scratch. Option A is likely more risky from a technical standpoint and overall a shittier end product (muh battery dry mass), while option B is going to have a longer timeline and involve the company needing to solve problems they haven't dealt with yet.

>>12772633
>>12772654
Who took the rocket parts?
Prace bets NOW!

>>12772424
>rocket is called neutron
>it's not powered by a fission torch rocket, or even a nuclear thermal engine
smdh, should have named it Muon desu

>>12772772
This happened as voting rights were expanded. Also a major weakening of the us was the the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965

>>12773047
Nuclear thermal sucks nuts for first stages until you can make a GCNTR lightbulb engine.

>>12773033
Because some 20 ton cargo drop on the moon is intrinsically different from 20 tons of men and their supplies?

>>12773041
Me

>>12772432
>Yes, because SS isn't going to be in full operation for many years
Starship will unironically be in "full operation" (launching everything from rideshare smallsats to large high value military satellites) within two years, and I'm not even memeing you right now. Starship development has been hyperspeed, but once they get a full V1.0 stack and can routinely test orbital flights, development progress is going to shift gears into full retard mode and the entire space launch industry is going to realize that SpaceX has been 4 parallel universes ahead all along

>>12773030
Won't be legal

>>12772757
and Pluto

>>12773047
>rocket called neutrino
>isn't a rocket at all, just launches individual cubesats into orbit via giant cannon

>>12773047
A muon doesn't last nearly long enough to lob something into orbit, but a neutron just might.

>>12773063
Okay but that's what people said as SN8 got ready to take off and it hasn't exactly gone exponential yet now, has it

>>12772944
When does it split?

>>12772457
If Pluto-anon got the news right as he saw the announcement being made and posted in the thread immediately, the light lag would have made him seem 8 hours late to the party, duh. Hence such monikers as "Kuiper belt poster", "Oort cloud poster", "Alpha Centauri poster" etc, all based on how fucking late to the party some anons seem to be sometimes.

>>12773073
They continue to just be prototypes... even SN 15 and onward are just prototypes that’ll fly once or twice then get scrapped

We should design a colony for /sfg/

>>12773085
How long would that last before it turns into Lord of the Flies in space?

>>12772537
this

>>12773085
>tunnelfags get nice, spacious accommodations
>lava tube fags get to wait 50 years until they have enough air to actually fill the tube
>steel pipe fags get to chill right away, but things are cramped
>brick and proont fags don't get anything because they die because bricks don't have any tensile strength and you need tensile strength to build a pressure vessel.

>>12772495
literally won't work, spraying glue at loose powder dust etc. You end up with dusty droplets of glue that are blown away. Also MastenSpace has been fucking around forever and never accomplished anything I hate them so much.
>>12772510
An extremely dumb idea, if you're that concerned about digging a hole you can literally deploy a weighted fiberglass blanket.
>>12772517
based
>>12772522
Check'd and it definitely won't work, see above.

>>12773090
Lord of the Flies but instead of children its autists

>>12773073

the starship upper stage is the hard part; the superheavy booster is tried and tested technology (except for having for 30 raptors strapped together : /). once they've nailed the landing, we'll have a few months of shitting ourselves as it burns up returning from orbit, and then we'll be good.remember, it took about 20 tries
before they nailed the F9 landing, they'll get there eventually.

>>12773085
mandatory
>pisslocks

>>12773090
I’m starting up a Word Bearer religion and there’s nothing you can do about it

Less politics more roggs you guys

>>12773100
SpaceX had the benefit of not live-streaming the F9 landings so their PR wasn’t as hit seeing them smack into the ocean.

>>12773073
They flew SN8 almost 3 months ago, that means 3 seperate prototypes flying in 3 months. SN8 and SN9 are doing so well in flight that SN 12-14 were scrapped. SN 11 is already close to flight and if SN10 lands then that means a focus shift on the rest of the starship design. This is as superheavy is almost ready for flight and after their launch tower has already broken ground. We haven't seen rocket development this rapid since the 60s and that program had a shit load more money behind it.

>>12773095
>bricks can handle 20 psi winds but can’t handle 10 psi inside pressure

>>12773116
>what is the difference between tensile strength and compressile strength

>>12773095
>bricks don't have any tensile strength and you need tensile strength to build a pressure vessel
Sure brickfags die but my proont houses will make me rich as I rent them out to burnt out tunnel rats.

>>12772537
On Titan you would also run out of air and food, so I don't see your point there.
Mars won't irradiate you to death, there are places on Earth with naturally occurring backgrounds well within an order of magnitude of that of Mars, and that's mostly in the form of actual loose contamination that can get inside your body too, whereas on Mars it's all cosmic rays and UV. As long as you're not inside a clear UV transparent dome on the surface of Mars the radiation is officially NBD (source, I studied nuclear science and radiation safety).
The only two advantages that Titan has in terms of emergency survival are the fact that you can probably survive on melted unpurified water ice for a while, provided it isn't too contaminated with nasty nasty hydrocarbons, and second is the fact that the ambient air pressure makes it a HELL of a lot easier to evacuate people across long distances outdoors (as long as you have an oxygen tank, which by the way could easily last days per person since when pressurized at Titan temperatures oxygen will liquify like propane on Earth), since you don't need pressure suits for everyone. All you'd need is very warm clothing, plus the aforementioned oxygen supply. Plus since you're in ~1/6th Earth gravity everyone can carry like 150 kilos of shit in their backpack without huge hassle.

>>12772547
Never going to happen, lad
>>12772550
Maybe there's a Rutherford hidden in there for landing

>>12773121
If you need tensile strength then wrap a few wires around the building

>Neutron will fly humans before Starliner

>>12773126
The issue with Titan is a lack of metals and rock on the surface

>>12772566
It's seriously a copy. Not to say I wouldn't, since SpaceX hit pretty close to the ideal design for a very wide-stance leg with good tipping stability and high stiffness with low complexity, but yeah, it's just copies.

>>12773136
Dig a tunnel to the core

>>12771640
Bro’s I just found out...the Falcon 1 flight was a failure...it’s over for SpaceX
>”WASHINGTON -- A busted nut, not human error, is to blame forthe fuel leak that doomed the Falcon 1 rocket on is maiden flight, according tothe findings of a government review board chartered to investigate the March 24launch failure.”
>”The rocket's manufacturer, Space Exploration Technologies(SpaceX) of El Segundo, Calif., initially suspected that the Falcon 1's fuelleak was caused by a tiny pipe fitting loosened and accidentally leftuntightened by technicians doing work on the rocket the day before launch.”
Will they even get the CRS contract? My money is on Kistler
>https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.space.com/amp/2643-falcon-1-failure-traced-busted-nut.html

fucking neat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdcE1sV_S2o

>>12773132
Composite materials could work, but at that point you may as well just build out of whatever composite material you're using to reinforce the bricks. The bricks can't contribute any structure strength because 100% of the load is in tension and bricks have negligible strength in tension.

Like, imagine a suspension bridge where instead of cables, there are just really long bricks. That's the kind of stress that it's going to be under.

>>12772916
that's not mars, that's the fucking moon during a lunar eclipse what the fuck

>>12772575
Ten meters of water blocks pretty much anything you throw at it. Jupiter's massive radiation belt flux doesn't penetrate more than a meter into ice. Cosmic rays and the particle splatter they produce when they slap materials are down to Earth surface ambient flux after ten meters. 20 meters of water is basically an impenetrable radiation shield. 2000 meters of water ice is stopping all significant flux of everything except neutrinos, but neutrinos are so weakly interacting that they don't matter.

>>12772633
huh

>>12773085
we already did. there's an image

>>12773079
kys

>>12773147
Steve Jurvetson, that sounds so familiar. He's a board member of SpaceX apparently? And holy shit his voice is super soothing

https://twitter.com/tomdelonge/status/1366078633312313353?s=19
>Real picture
Holy shit, they really do have advanced propulsion technology. This goes far deeper than anyone could have expected, the Pentagon must answer for this

>>12772575
its 0 celsius and no radition, there is no sunlight though, a chemical imbalance would be needed to sustain life

>>12773168
It would basically be Ram Ranch but on Mars

>>12773130
Its literally contracted and NASA has no interest in older building methods

>>12773173
Tom DeLonge is like, actually batshit crazy lmao. Super interesting to listen to but holy fuck he makes /x/ look like a spacex engineer meeting room

>>12773146
Looks like Orbital ATK is gonna win COTS

>>12773168
No we didn't

>>12773173
to the stars academy SPAC when?

>>12773173

SHUT IT DOWN

>>12773185
actually we already did

>>12773146
Falcon 1 busted a nut, heheheeh

>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1366511383676784642
>Looks familiar haha. Nonetheless, the right move. Congrats to Rocket Lab.
Guess Elon isn't too upset. Everyone copying you can only mean you are doing a good thing.

>>12772631
Not really, with higher atmospheric temperatures the gasses will be moving faster and will exceed Titan's escape velocity. Titan will lose nearly all of its atmosphere except for whatever heavy gasses (CO2, Xenon) exist, and when the temperatures raise further and water ice starts to sublimate, it will lose its entire water inventory too. Since Titan is largely water by bulk mass, this will lead to the moon shrinking and becoming unable to hold even a tiny trace of atmosphere, as it is stripped down to what is today its rocky mantle and core. After being warmed up, dried out, and rendered a hard vacuum by the dying Sun, Titan will again be plunged into the cold as the Sun dies, except this time no more complex cryovolcanism and methane-based hydrological cycle; just dry, dead roggs.

https://youtu.be/VPBUjyAgIjg
Explain this Hoax-Xers

>>12773186
Aren't they the guys who made the government admit fucking aliens exist?

>>12773190
Nope

>>12773148
You build retaining walls out of bricks, it’s just a matter of leaning the wall inwards to compensate for the pressure

>>12773146
Yeah that fucking loser millionaire isn't going to make it. I hope Armadillo Aerospace goes public I see big things for them in the future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HUZ_2D0zpI

>>12773204
nah they filed a foia for a minute or two of blurry video. pentagon said they dunno what they were. videos dont show anything extraordinary, nothing physics breaking

>>12773205
we did, there's an image

>>12773217
>nothing physics breaking about physics breaking flying objects that perform impossible aerodynamic maneuvers and fly impossibly fast

>>12771737
>>12772219
The Moon is best for exploration

>>12773219
Post it then

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1366514542939828224
ELON IS SHOOK

>>12773223
yeah, find me that video. not gonna believe in aliens based on some meathead's eyewitness testimony and a glitchy radar

>>12773225
The moon is the best for printing
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>>12766179
>>12766179

>>12773228
what is spac

>>12773202

>>12773228
Do i need to wait for them to split or what? I need some rocketlab stock

>>12773229
that's your problem then lol
Pretend they're not aliens if you want, there's weird shit flying around and the government has no idea what it is.

>>12773173
Oh shit, time to get a new camera.

>>12773236
>and the government has no idea what it is.
No the government says they have no idea what it is

>>12773242
I suppose the deep state or high brass might know.

>>12773234
Rocket Lab stonk is available under the ticker VACQ as of this morning

I snagged me some $2500 worth, let's see where it's at when the Neutron launches

>>12773236
yeah, spend five minutes with a government worker or an air force meathead and you wont be surprised when they cant figure the world out. they dont know whether theyre coming or going

>>12772633
geezus

>>12773126
On Titan you would bring a strong nuclear reactor with you which will allow you to get oxygen out of water, wouldnt you do the same thing with co2 on Mars? Why would you run out of food? The reactor will power the lights of the plants. Naturally concerning radiation you would probably cover your habitat with ice, which by the way would have less leaking issues because of the higher pressure as you said. Maybe you could build things out of plastic as the other anon said. Im an engineer though so I dont even know what hydrocarbons do, do they also include cyanide? If you have enough power you could use hydrogen from water as rocket fuel or use methane from a nearby lake.

>>12773246
Its almost certainly a black project

>>12773148
>bricks cant bear tensile loads

>>12773226
i didnt save it check the threads over the last 7 days. ctrl-f piss

>>12773228
LMAO

>>12773247
Yeah but won't they split from vacq? I don't want get stuck with some shitty spac