/sci/ - Science & Math

first for Titan

>>12769030
He hop
He pop
He flop

Uranus probe when?

>>12769030
Bro’s I’ve been thinking about Starship Classifications
>MK1 Class: Only two prototypes made (MK1, MK2). MK1 failed during testing and MK2 was scrapped
>SN1 Class: A one off vehicle. Failed during testing.
>SN2 Class: A specialized test tank never intended for flight. Only one was made. Currently retired.
>SN3 Class: A one off vehicle. Only one in its class (SN3). Was destroyed during testing.
>SN4 Class: The first flight worthy Starships. 3 were made in the class (SN4, SN5, SN6). SN4 was destroyed during testing. SN5 and SN6 completed flights but ended up being scrapped.
>SN8 class: The final Starship to use heavy amounts of 301L steel. Only one prototype was made (SN8). SN8 was destroyed at the end of its test flight.
>SN8 Refit: Three prototypes were made (SN9, SN10, SN11). Used SN8 design but with heavy majority 304 steel instead. SN9 was destroyed at the end of its test flight.
I want to make an infographic with this stuff

Prove you are an oldfag. Post your oldest spacex launch thread material before /sfg/ existed

Second for sfg Titan mission

>>12769048
>tankwatcher threads from early 2019

>>12769047
v comfy, I'd love a coffee table book with these illustrations

>>12769048
I can't because I nuked my meme folder as a new years resolution to get more original content

>>12769048
Hey, I remember the spaceelevator threads from /pol/, does that counts?

>>12769038
doesnt even make sense

>>12769048
>There's a Falcon 1 meme that has been posted and forgotten

>>12769047
Nice graphic

>>12769059
lorepilled holy shit lmao

>>12769033
Extremely based

>>12769048
This is the oldest cap I got. I wonder if OP is still here

>>12769059
Actually thinking a bit more about this, why did /sfg/ take this long to form? Musk has been doing this shit for a decade already, not like the rocket discussion on /sci/ was ever this animated. I guess that the current era of wen hop with 24/7 streams and people having their full time job just monitoring this single place on earth for every minute blade of grass kinda helps.

>>12769058
Fuuuck I did that a year ago. I nuked my folder after having a bad day on /sfg/ when everyone was making fun of me. This is the oldest OC I've made in my new folder and I still see people post it from time to time. Makes me happy when I see my images pop up in the wild

>>12769048
I remember space elevator too but all I have saved are hfy posts from 2013 and later.

>>12769074
I'd forgotten about Cocoa completely. Funny init

>>12769090
man I didn't know how reddit that image was by the thumbnail.

Gentlemen this thread is /comfy/. Can you think of an ideal Titan mission that doesn't involve a human landing? Honestly dragonfly is pretty close to perfect. Could it be improved?

>>12769097
send starship there carrying hundreds of them

Proonting won!!!
>>12768994
>>12768994

>>12769100
Wow holy shit that actually is a good idea. I'll add on to it: instead of all of them carrying RTG's they could all have tesla batteries. We could have a few starships land strategically all over Titan carrying kilopower units that would serve as recharge stations. Good idea?

What the fuck, I thought that Omari retard on twitter was kidding about wen hop merch, NSF actually sells it.

https://shop.nasaspaceflight.com/collections/apparel/products/wenhop-hoodie
https://shop.nasaspaceflight.com/collections/apparel/products/wenhop-t-shirt
https://shop.nasaspaceflight.com/collections/apparel/products/wenhat

>>12769107
Starship actually could change the game here. Right now the approach is to slowly build extremely expensive rovers and pack them with as much science as you can fit. Starship could change the approach to quickly building many cheap and small units, each dedicated to a specific job. One fails? Who cares you have plenty of spares.

Hell, you could even pull off elaborate PR stunts this way. Like the "twitch drives a rover" idea mentioned a few weeks ago.

>>12769120
So stupid

>>12769120
I don't care if people make meme merch, it's just odd that some people try to "own" the meme's creation.

Jesus this image makes me sad

>>12769120
>do you like my hat, anon? want to tankwatch and chill later?

>>12769107
>Good idea?
No, because if your going for massive numbers of sensor packs, they're best as widely distributed and antonymous as possible .

what am i looking at here

>>12769131
>visible hand tattoo

>>12769030
>wen
>>12769061
>newfriend
>gets spoonfed and still doesn't understand
>>12769120
Jesus fuck if this isn't proof of rebbit origin, I give up.

>>12769135
>>12769129
fuk

>>12769081
spaceflight interest has reached a tipping point and is rapidly accelerating

>>12769135
a thread on /sci/

>>12769140
Opportunity imaged by MRO

>>12769120
>That will be $40.00, plus $89.99 L2 annual membership, plus tip
>>12769128
For me it's more that they're profiting from a meme that they ripped off of us rather than just taking credit for it which I don't care about. It's more humorous than anything but still...

>>12769090
>The Zubrin proposal
There's always a Zubrin proposal for each decade. He will outlive us all and be embalmed on Mars, surely the universe wouldn't be so evil as to deny a man that has fought for so long for this...

>>12769135 (>>12769129)
typical schitzo arrooooow pooooost.

>>12769142
yes, but I'm contemplating the deeper meaning. What is this thread on this website on this planet in this universe *really*?

>>12769144
SAD! Opportunity was cool, but its life was undercut by MY BATTERY IS LOW AND IT'S GETTING DARK redditry

Reminder that there is a Starlink launch in about 1 bong

>>12769153
it was undercut by solar being shit

>>12769145
>ripped off of us
The real meme is "hop when", and where the fuck did that stupid graphic come from, they can have it.

>>12769096
"The universe is a dark forest. Every civilization is an armed hunter stalking through the trees like a ghost, gently pushing aside branches that block the path and trying to tread without sound. Even breathing is done with care. The hunter has to be careful, because everywhere in the forest are stealthy hunters like him. If he finds another life—another hunter, angel, or a demon, a delicate infant to tottering old man, a fairy or demigod—there's only one thing he can do: open fire and eliminate them. In this forest, hell is other people. An eternal threat that any life that exposes its own existence will be swiftly wiped out. This is the picture of cosmic civilization."

This always keeps me up at night.

>>12769150
A projection injected into your conscious by the simulation, a series of chemical reactions ordained by God, or a holodeck program running on the 2D surface of a black hole. I think. It might just be the spontaneous result of a boltzmann brain but that is the most popsci conclusion

>>12769154
at least repost the thread link if you're going to post some stupid unrelated crap too
>>12767900

>>12769155
This is also true

>>12769129
>>12769144
let me one-up you
Fun fact: its creator, Colin Pillinger, died just 8 months before it was rediscovered. He died thinking that it never reached the surface.

>>12769159
Found a space elevator meme.

>>12769181
Oh yeah, I guess deep sea threads were a thing, too.

It's hoppening this week frens

>>12769146
>Pic of Zubrin within his hidden city on Mars, 2052

>>12769184
Oh yeah the deep ocean provided a good cope before the starship era. This could be NOAA general in the other timeline

>>12769191
Glad we didn't have to hang on to that cope.

>>12769030
I want to get a Raptor engine tattoo’d over my left pec, or maybe a Starship instead . Is that cringe? I’m already doing barbed wire around my biceps

>>12769199
All tattoos are cringe. Real rebellion is not getting any tattoos or piercings at all.

>>12769199
>Is my tattoo idea based off of pop culture and modern hype cringe
pretty much yes

>>12769195
The fact that no FTL means that you will only ever visit one star system in your life makes me sad

Aww, SN10 hop delayed to Wednesday.

>>12769211
We could still reach the stars on nuclear pulse propulsion easily, but it would mean having to sidestep government pussies. The problem is that (as discussed 2 or 3 threads ago) any orion-style rocket could easily be turned into a continent destroyer by simply pointing at Earth and firing into it as a mega rod-from-god

>>12769221
Oh shit I loved that thread. Can we start discussing interstellar travel again?

>>12769050
>a lander
lame. We already sent a lander. Like fuck anon, there are some many more fun ways to explore Titan than a lander. Atmosphere's dense as fuck so it's easy to fly with balloons, blimps, zeppelins, planes, helicopters. There's lakes so you can use boats or subs.

>>12769215
sauce faggot

Don't worry, hop when bros. I just sent this to Chris at NSF. They won't get away with stealing our meme.

Dear NASASpaceFlight.com,

This CEASE AND DESIST ORDER is to inform you that you have been selling merchandise based on our original creation in which we own the rights to. Profiting from our work is completely unacceptable and will not be tolerated in any way, shape or form. This letter is to demand that you must CEASE AND DESIST sales of this merchandise immediately. Should you continue to pursue these activities in violation of this CEASE AND DESIST ORDER, we will not hesitate to pursue further legal action against you, including, but not limited to, civil action and/or criminal complaints.

The following products must be removed from your store:
https://shop.nasaspaceflight.com/collections/apparel/products/wenhop-hoodie
https://shop.nasaspaceflight.com/collections/apparel/products/wenhop-t-shirt
https://shop.nasaspaceflight.com/collections/apparel/products/wenhat

This CEASE AND DESIST ORDER demands that you immediately discontinue
those products and do not at any point in the future use our protected work.

(1/2, post too long)

>>12769215
NOOOO NOT A DELAY OF A FEW DAYS! SPACEX WILL NEVER RECOVER FROM THIS! WHY DIDN'T WE BECOME ULA CHADS BROS!

>>12769233
(2/2)
Enclosed in the link below and also enclosed in the attached image, is proof that we are the original creators of the meme, going back as far as February 25th 2019. We did not authorize you to use our work or and derivative of it. As you are selling the merchandise for profit, you are not protected under the fair use section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976 and are in flagrant violation of the law.

>>/sci/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=%22hop+when%22

Note that a copy of this letter and a record of its delivery will be stored. Note too that it is admissible as evidence in a court of law and will be used as such if need be in the future.

This letter does not constitute exhaustive statement of my position nor is it a waiver of any of my rights and/or remedies in this and/or any other related matter.

We demand your immediate compliance, and furthermore that you confirm in writing that all volatile activity will cease immediately.

Very truly yours,

Space Flight General and legal team.

>>12769230
Nasa SpaceFlight stream for the Starlink launch tonight.

And the tweet from bocachicagal: https://twitter.com/bocachicagal/status/1366189604001488901?s=21

>>12769230
>>12769215
It's real (unfortunately)
https://twitter.com/BocaChicaGal/status/1366189604001488901

>>12769208
most jobs still won't hire you if you have visible tattoos. getting tattoos is still rebellious but it's also pretty useless if you want to participate in society

>>12769221
Why would you bother with that when you could deexist yourself just as easily with regular nuclear weapons?

>>12769239
>>12769238
That sucks but they should take as long as they need this flight better be perfect

>>12769239
We've had too many people trolling about launch or no launch for the past two months at least. Someone just saying it suddenly with no link just can't go unchallenged anymore because of those faggots.

>>12769030
Apparently there’s 3D printers that can print 3D printers
>https://reprap.org/wiki/RepRap

>>12769227
There is a ton of meme tech. From alcubierre drives to QI. And I will admit that I have no clue how plasma sails work despite the fact that they get mentioned every day. But Orion pulse propulsion is based. It is completely possible and could get us to other star systems with such ease.

>>12769253
>3D printing
>not making entire machine shops

>>12769233
>>12769236
Was gonna call this cringe, but then I remembered how I replied to him on twitter one time talking about how Jim Bridenstine was good for Trump but also good for everyone and he replied IF YOU LIKE TRUMP GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COMMUNITY and blocked me. Kek I hope he reads this and has a panic attack

>>12769259
If you travel to another star system you’re going to need everything for everything

>>12769256
Sadly this is how I feel about fusion engines. Until one flies, it’s just meme tech

Anon, are you specially aware?

>>12769267
>Until one flies, it’s just meme tech
Unlike everything else though, fission pulse propulsion is absolutely possible. Like there isn't a single doubt. We literally have the means to make one right fucking now if we needed to or wanted to

>>12769273
Yep that’s what’s great about it. We literally could’ve colonized Alpha Centauri by now.

>>12769275
Don't confuse the ability to move dead matter to another system with the capability to create a colony WITHOUT THE ABILITY to resupply them.

>>12769285
The secret is to pick a planet with mostly habitable features and then use an extreme amount of automation and ISRU.

>>12769285
If you do it right you won’t have to resupply the colony. You can bring all of your plants and fungi and even animals with you down to the planets’ surface.

>>12769285
It would be a logistical nightmare, but it would be possible to yeet a colony out to another star system and land on a planet and become self-sustaining. You could do Orion resupplies if you were really struggling. But again, it isn't impossible.

>>12769285
You could have several ships with the cargo needed for a permanent colony. A bioship to transport settlers and the organisms that they need, a factory ship that has everything they need to mine and build advanced technology in the system and a science/cargo ship that has everything that they could need for a colony
colonies weren't settled by just one ship

>>12769302
Orion ships make Starships look like caveman tech. I know Elon isn't above the law, and never will be, but I would love to see what a company like SpaceX could plan assuming they had access to nuclear propulsion. I wonder if the engineers talk about it over pints at the bar

>>12769288
I’m a huge fan of Teegarden’ Star c. It’s 11% more massive than the Earth and it is about 30 degrees Celsius cooler. Unlike other red dwarf stars like Proxima or TRAPPIST-1, Teegarden’s Star doesn’t have fuckhuge flares which would burn away the planet’s atmosphere. Also it’s 12 light years away.

Is there any bull case for Virgin Galactic actually being relevant? They really seem like an investor scam at this point more than a real spaceflight company.

>>12769302
It makes sense to send out like half a dozen ships each just barely able to survive on its own in case one or more of the others is lost during transit

>>12769247
>>12769239
>>12769215
probably weather related

I hope we are living in the timeline where aaaays from Proxima make contact and want to make contact. I would be willing to board a nuclear rocket and yeet out there as a delegate

>>12769086
i know that feel.
tfw I see my alpaca or yotsuba doodle every once in a while

>>12769309
>There could be FAA here. There could be FAA anywhere.
>With a nuclear bomb-propelled spaceship, you can go to another solar system.

>>12769342
Oh fuck yes, I love those. Did you use MS Paint? Your art style is 10/10

>>12769345
Topkek

sorry for linking reddit but ROCKETLAB SPAC ROCKETLAB SPAC ROCKETLAB SPAC
https://www.reddit.com/r/Spacstocks/comments/luuzj9/rocket_lab_nears_deal_to_merge_with_vector_spac/?

>>12769086
>I nuked my folder after having a bad day on /sfg/ when everyone was making fun of me.
You deserve to be made fun of if you're this mentally unstable

>>12769345
lmao

>>12769362
Lol you could have just linked the article, but this is cool. They are going public.

>>12769364
Okay.

>>12769371
I linked the reddit because the article is paywalled

>>12769030
Aborted, but once again I’d rather they be careful than have it explode in flight

>>12769321
Yeah I remember this being an issue

SpaceX launch scrubbed at T-1 minute

>>12769387
Oh whoops, I have it unlocked. Didn't realize it was WSJ
>>12769364
Fag

Starlink-17 is cursed.

>>12769362
Would be a better investment than all the other space companies that are currently public

>golf bag bondage
Is that a pixiv keyword yet?

>>12769265
Did he really? Well then i will never watch their streams ever again

>>12769411
$4B is a pretty rich valuation. Not as silly as Astra or Virgin, but RocketLab worth more than Maxar?

Well atleast we have SN10 flight tomorrow, hopefully a successful flight AND landing but will accept explosions.

>>12769427
I enjoy watching Tim Dodd’s streams at least he’s not high and mighty acting plus idk it’s kinda fun to treat launches like sports games

>>12769362
So VACQ? Idk if i trust it

>>12769362
https://archive.is/kqpDB
Also a bigger rocket, the Neutron, which I have to assume will be reusable.
Man these small launch companies have been in a shouting match lately.

>>12769435
Yeah him labpadre and a few others are okay i guess

>>12769434
New date set to wednesday >>12769239

>>12769436
It's a SPAC, which is a publicly traded shell company with no assets except cash that reverse-merges into a private company to bring it public. They can definitely be shady, but that's how SPCE went public and it's how Momentus, Astra, SpaceMobile and BlackSky are going public.

>>12769348
Thanks anon, happy to provide OCs for the general. I use paint.net, not too fancy but also not too restrictive

>New containment boards:
>/vt/
>/pw/
>/xs/
>Yet we cannot have our own /space/ board to leave this autistic shit hole

>>12769440
But RocketLab is easily the best smallsat launch company right now. No need for impressive paper rockets to mystify shareholders, they can point to the multiple successful missions they have under their belt.

>>12769451
it's transportation so maybe /ns/

>>12769451
>wanting lame /space/
>not wanting superior/intp/

>>12769451
/sfg/ isn't nearly active enough to get its own board

>>12769451
What even are those? I only browse /smg/ and /sfg/

>>12769451
can't wait when we have a chan exclusively for martians

>>12769459
if we could get some of the more autistic shit like proonting moved to separate threads it would be much less bad

>>12769453
Nope, they've sold out. They now need to compete with the big paper rockets that Firefly, Relativity, and arguably Astra are touting.

>>12769265
lmao, I think I remember seeing that post. Complete overreaction on his part.

Anyways, I thought I'd point out that you're getting two people confused here. Chris_B is the managing editor and is a cool guy who never mentions politics. Chris_G is lower on the totem poll and is a corporate media-worshiping neolib. Just thought I'd clarify.

>>12769451
why are these niggers trying to turn 4chan into reddit
what do we need so many boards for

>>12769440
>medium-lift
So they're going to take years building a rocket that even if it's reusable it likely won't beat the Falcon 9 on price, let alone Starship? What is the point of them attempting this other than fruitlessly trying to delay their death?
>>12769453
It doesn't matter if they're the best small launcher and have many successful missions, this side of the industry is futureless and once you factor this in their valuation is fucking absurd. They're the best of something that is quickly becoming obsolete.

>>12769451
/Sci/ is a shitty board. All of the threads are either bait or stupid conspiracy stuff. Even the good threads are full of retards. SFG is the only good thing here

>>12769451
We don't need the attention

>>12769471
because /v/eddit is metastasizing

>>12769435
Tim gets shit on, and he is reddit as all get out, but he is very humble at heart. His biggest “problem” (if you want to call it that) is acting like how kindergarten teachers told you how you needed to act for the rest of your life. His real humanity mindset is cringe but I can’t hate the guy. Labpadre is good as well. NSF is far too autistic and far too political on social media. Same thing goes for hullo but he gets a pass because his channel is extremely informative

>>12769221
Using 1/100th the number of nukes you could carpet bomb the entire planet and delete all life less protected than the bacteria that live 2500 meters down inside solid rock.

>>12769490
team humanity, not real humanity
>>12769470
Yeah shit like this makes me vomit

>>12769470
Oh hm I never realized there were two Chris's. Thanks anon

this is a cool. So with center core expendable FH can place 57,420 in LEO. Usually with reusability you expect greater losses but seems like giving the 2nd stage that extra boost really helps. I wonder if this idea would also apply to lunar payloads.

>>12769521
Wtf. Reusable Falcon Heavy is $90 million. How is expending the center core just $5 Million more?

>>12769451
Man I can already imagine the level of general balkanization on such a board
>O'neill Cylinder/Stanford Torus General
>Terraforming General
>Proonting General
>Tunneling General
>Mars colonisation general
>Venus colonisation general
>space mining general
>interstellar general
>spacex general
>BO general /bog/
>NASA hugbox general
>ayy lmao general
It's probably be pretty dead on the whole though, better to keep it all in one general.

>>12769531
SFG even gets dead sometimes. A whole board would be depressing

>>12769530
Maybe because the center core can't be reliably recovered anyways

>>12769531
What about the Boing general?

The SLS and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>>12769313
no, pretty sure it's entirely a scam

>>12769530
good point. No idea.

>>12769531
And every one of those threads would be babysat by its respective intense fetishist. Hopefully if a space board ever exists, /sfg/ still exists there, because the specific threads will be autism of a level of intensity we only get occasionally.

>>12769541
Probably nothing but pink wojack shitposting from top to bottom, eventually gets automoved to /biz/ who don't notice.

>>12769545

>>12769530
It rarely launches and the center core has inconsistent recovery, so the price probably reflect the fact that they'd be building a new core either way.

>>12769547
I remember when SpaceX said center core expendable was like $105 Million. Now it’s $95 Million. Crazy.

>>12769557
How easy would it be to convert side booster Falcon 9s to working solo?

>>12769553
I was surprised at how hard Casey shat on the shuttle and the RS-25 in his SLS takedown. I thought that the engine at least was damn good but nope.
Wonder how the people who made the shuttle would have felt had they known that they'd be damning spaceflight for the next quarter century

>>12769562
The side boosters are basically standard f9s so probably not hard at all, while the center core is its own beast

>>12769448
Interesting

>>12769048

>>12769574
Would have made for a good Pink Floyd album cover.

>>12769464
More popular you mean. We just need the other boards to see space as a board science doesn't grab attention the same qay

>>12769568
>In December 1972, as Apollo 17 was returning to Earth, Nixon issued a statement saying, “This may be the last time in this century that men will walk on the Moon.”
They did know.

>>12769521
>>12769530
>>12769560
>FH with disposed center core gets an economy of $1654.5 per kilogram
>at a greater-than-50,000 kg/launch capacity
bruh

>>12769574
stupid DUMBASS cow

>>12769574
haha! The cows are confused!

>>12769585
What’s its Trans Lunar capability? Just curious

AJAX spaceplane concept, anything about this we can use?
http://en.hypersonics.ru/concept_ajax

>>12769547
Quick update

>spend 2.5 BILLION on facilities designed to build and launch a specific rocket
>by the time the facilities are done the rocket is obsolete
oops

>>12769598
nothin personnel kid...

>>12769603
in retrospect building the site and the rocket in tandem was a very smart way to do it.
But I still don't understand why it has taken BO like 5 years to build the place.

So RocketLab is going to be SPACing at a $4B valuation, which means by the time trading opens tomorrow it will have gapped up to $6-8B. Is that too spicy for Ol' Beck?

>>12769598
>oops

>>12769598
I don't think you understand how crazy in love with space stuff bezos is. he's been spouting off about it since he was in high school-completely obsessed. and now that he's stepping down he can devote all his time and fortune to the business of making Blue Origin work.

Consider this-what if Jeff doesn't even try to make money with the rocket at first? He sells launches so cheaply that even SpaceX can't compete. Sure it burns money-but the man is wealthy beyond compare, andf almost all of that wealth is tied up in shit independent in his launch business. Elon's wealth is much more...volatile than Jeff's Amazon wealth. If Jeff is half as ruthless as people say, he can use his wealth to cuddle up to regulators and keep old space friendly to him while denying spacex a revenue stream.

This isn't a good thing-competition is good for space, but since when has Jeff Bezos given a shit about anything but what he wants?

>>12769030
Will SN10 use the three engine flip burn?

>>12769603
>>12769598
Just for scale, SpaceX Boca launch facilities(facilities, not parking lot) is ~2-3x larger than BlueOrigins.

>>12769620
Yes, and it will BRAP it's way to a landing. Actually now that I think about it the funniest outcome would be lighting three engines, but failure to shut one of them off so they end up with TOO much thrust and the flip ends up being a 360 death spin

>>12769618
If Elon had to he’s sell his Tesla stocks. SpaceX is self sustaining as is but Starship dev is “only” $5 billion to $10 billion. He could front the money himself

>>12769627
>light 3 engines
>all light
>shut down Rap1
>Rap2 immediately eats a turbopump
>Starship lands hard enough to crumple the skirt but doesn't immediately explode
>slowly begins to tip
>loud metal screeching noises as it tips further
>gets on the floor
>everyone walk the dinosaur

>>12769627
Imagine if it did a full 360 but still landed

>>12769640
turn 360 degrees and fly away

>>12769630
Could he? If Bezos starts launching freight for pennies on the dollar? Tesla is Elon's baby, and if he's desperate enough to sell it the market will smell it and drop the share price sharply-holders have mythologized musk into a god-king and the thought of him cutting tesla loose will spook many of them.

>>12769631
Holy fucking kek this is good. Orion battleships should be on the bottom though. But lol

>>12769631
Why is X-37B on there twice?

>>12769631
>Polyus success
Wait WHAT

>>12769631
Oh god the 600 hz issue

>>12769631
Pretty sure the Operation Plumbob Pascal A borehole cap was vaporised due to air friction but it's still a fun story.

>>12769648
boeing bucks

>>12769646
Elon could walk away with $100 Billion. It would suck but he’d secure funding for at least the start of a base on Mars

>>12769631
>no casaba howitzer

>>12769648
VentureStar too, in two different tiers

>>12769504
Still not going to support them
>>12769490
Hullo tried to excuse the obama admin because muh commercial crew. Because of that i can't trust him with any space topic that is remotely political

>>12769631
>No Big Gemini

>>12769618
What Jeff is still struggling to learn and the same mistake commentators have been making about BO for years now is that money does not solve all problems on its own. You have to use it halfway wisely. "Q4 2022" really means NG won't even be operational until 2023, and it will still be slow to produce. Even giving it away, a pipe dream that won't happen, the impact they would make on a SpaceX dominated commercial launch market would be minimal.

>>12769663
Commercial crew was a drop in the bucket lol yet everyone sucks off obama for it

>>12769631
Good concept, needs a little editing as other anons have suggested. Clean it up a little and it'll be 10/10 anon.

>>12769631
This is some quality shit hahahahah

>>12769549
I think it would still exist. Having our own board however would add to the userbase and we would get better threads. Right now we don't get enough normalfags because it takes a special type of autist to go to a science and math board on 4chan. If we had a space board you would get /fit/, /k/, /pol/ and /v/ crossposters.

>>12769553
This is amazing
>>12769574
So is this

>>12769584
Fuck

>>12769631
Unfathomably based
https://youtu.be/-7nVjq9a-xk

>>12769285
Just send cavemen they managed it fine on Earth without any technology

>>12769666
It was also a bush era proposal, they just had to test commercial cargo first. Obama shouldn't even get credit for it
See
>https://www.nasa.gov/commercial-orbital-transportation-services-cots

/sfg/ is a great general, having a whole board would be overkill desu.

>>12769693
>A) External cargo delivery and disposal
>B) Internal cargo delivery and disposal
>C) Internal cargo delivery and return
>D) Crew Transportation
>E) Crew Transportation and disposal

>>12769631
some additions

>>12769692

>>12769680
A space board would be awful any space topic on 4chan gets swamped by retards

>>12769700
I don't get the reusable crew meme.

>>12769665
Nd naturally it’ll take years to bring up launch rates, it’ll take a 6 month delay on a failure to fix some aspect of the rocket, it’ll take months while they wait for payloads to exist...

SpaceX’s big revenue has been NASA gibs which Blue will never access...
Too slow to launch for any Internet constellation to catch up to star link

Since they’ve spent too much money in infrastructure, every aspect of the rocket will be too expensive

>>12769703
Good additions, thanks anon.

>>12769703
Missing New Shepard and New Glenn in Joe Rogan tier
Needs New Armstrong in ayy tier
Needs Electron and Manned Electron somewhere as well

On Rocket Lab's new rocket:
>The Neutron rocket is expected to be able to lift most satellites forecast to launch in the coming years and be positioned as a lower-cost alternative to larger vehicles, according to the report.
>lower-cost alternative

What the fuck is this based on? Unless they're comparing it to SLS, they literally made this up.

>>12769715
RocketLab is apparently using their SPAC money to start development on a larger Neutron rocket, if WSJ is to be believed

I dunno if they'll make a new engine but I kinda hope it just has like, 50 Rutherfords

>>12769711
They’re also making an isogrid first stage that is bigger than any stage ever made aside from the SLS core

>>12769716
Every other company other than SpaceX still exists

>>12769722
>that is bigger than any stage ever made
For isogrids, maybe. But at this rate the first Superheavy will be stacked and flying before the first real New Glenn tank is finished.

>>12769703
Shouldn't Orion Project be lower? Or do lots of normies know about that now? I don't talk to them so idk.

>>12769716
Since we know absolutely nothing about Neutron other than "it exists", maybe it's fully reusable? Or maybe it has some party trick to keep the costs down despite expending the second stage.

>>12769724
Of course. The first Superheavy will be flying like really soon. No one knows when it’ll be going to orbit though.

>>12769703
Astronaut ice cream being a megaredpill is what makes this hilarious

>New Armstrong launches after two decades of development
>the booster crash lands into the Standard Island-tier landing barge
>/intp/ explodes into a shitposting fest
>gets so bad that spacemods delete any post referring to Jeff Who in any way
>mods accidentally deletes amazon cylinder general /acg/
>feathers get buttmad
>feathers pathetically retaliate by shitposting pro-Jeff memes
>mrw
This shit is funnier than Ganymede seceding from the USSA

>>12769727
It should. The first thing that pops to mind with Orion is the Orion Capsule not the Orion Project.
At least to non-autists lel.

>>12769735
Jej remember when New Glenn’s first stage crashed into the barge and killed all of its crew? Sucks haha

>SNX does a 360 then flies away on the landing burn

>>12769736
As I thought. I hereby move that the Orion Project be lowered on the chart. Would any redditors dissent?

>>12769048
>>12769056
>tankwatcher threads from late 2018
I remember when it was a concrete circle in a field

https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/8a1wwy/i_am_peter_beck_ask_me_anything_about_rocket_lab/
>4/5/18
>Dear everyone. I'm not building a bigger rocket any time soon.

...

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/last-year-reusable-rockets-entered-the-mainstream-and-theres-no-going-back/
>1/6/21
>"If Rocket Lab ever builds a new vehicle, it will fundamentally be reusable from day one"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knk_RuV7mao (45:55)
>1/23/21
>On whether he'd "eat his hat" again: "well here's the thing I've learned is that I should just never say never"

What happened?

>>12769746
I always thought it was a spaceship. Lots of people called me retarded

>>12769747
He was born a kiwi

>>12769700
Kek

>>12769747
Falcon 9 is eating their launches with its rideshares. Most of RocketLab’s payloads are to a 550 km SSO...which is exactly what Transporter-1 did, too

>>12769723
Their medium-lift rocket is going to beat Vulcan, New Glenn, Ariane 6, etc on price? I don't see what they're attempting here, it looks like they're going to spend the better part of a decade building a Falcon 9 clone.

>>12769745
Tribune anon speaks wisely. I second this motion!

>>12769459
i think that after spacex lands its first starship on mars (very possibly in 2024) is around the time there will be enough interest in spaceflight for a space board

>>12768766
its the best most interesting stand-out feature there for sure, never saw anything like it from Curioustity

>>12769746
Does anyone remember exactly when people started going from "they're building a water tank" to "i-its just a mockup" to "rockets IN AN OPEN FIELD"

>>12769763
I also remember the FUD shitposting afterwards about how the work was too unprofessional to ever fly

>>12769747
What if Neutron is just Electron Heavy with triple core helicopter catch?

>>12769747
>What happened?
He needed a way to pretend that Rocket Lab isn't just a small-launch provider so they can milk as much money from the public before going tits up.

>>12769705
Nah it would be better

>>12769745
I HAVE TAKEN COUNT. ONLY THE REDDIT PREDARII DISAGREE. A MOVEMENT DOWN THE LIST SHALL COMMENCE.

>>12769769
Pedarii, fuck

https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/nuclear-propulsion-could-help-get-humans-to-mars-faster

You have 10 (five) minutes to tell me right now why we are focusing on Mars first instead of focusing/investing heavily on R&D/testing of multiple new and novel propulsion technology that will reduce overall round-trip travel time that will then inform what our future Mars missions will look like

>>12769764
Was there /Sci/ threads on the topic back when SpaceX crashed their first Falcon 9’s?

>>12769775
Because Mars is attainable with chemical rockets and orbital refueling, as demonstrated by the Mars colony ship factory that's being built right now in a field in Texas. Why should SpaceX stop work on a solution that exists to develop a future solution that may or may not have any real benefit?

We absolutely should develop nuclear propulsion, but not at the expense of Starship.

>>12769775
NERVA is a meme. Starship does fine without it. Starship can do a 6 km/s burn to Mars and then aero capture while Nerva needs a 6 km/s orbital insertion burn too

>>12769775
Focusing autism on trying to cut down a few weeks on travel time will be a waste when we are already working on a way to easily get there anyways

>>12769784
You could land NERVA on Mars, it's not like you'd make it any more radioactive than usual.

>>12769781
I remember there be spaceflight threads in early F9 landing tests and getting to post the first reconstructed video

>>12769703

>>12769793
True but also are there any NERVA vehicles currently under construction? Also it’s going to get shit on by politicians no matter who pushes it

>>12769794
That’s cool. I’m just curious if there were FUDposters when it came to landing Falcon 9’s like there now are for Starship

>>12769757
Probably the best way for Rocket Lab or any of their direct competitors to break into the large rocket market is to speedrun Falcon 9/Starship development with public investment. The gap between small, expendable (or partially recoverable by parachute) rockets and Falcon 9 competitors is large, but the gap between small rockets and fully-reusable rockets will be insurmountable in a few years. They're learning that playing second fiddle to SpaceX while competing with ULA, Arianespace, etc. (despite very questionable return on investment) as they publicly prep their Starship competitor is a more viable path forward than sticking with small rockets and letting Starship and potentially emerging competitors mop the floor with them. Honestly they've all probably known this all along, and have been pushing small rockets so hard because that's all they could afford to build.

>>12769789
>>12769784
>>12769782
Anything that reduces travel time to Mars is better than

>>12769799
Oh yeah most people were laughing at Musk back then and barely giving him attention. He was a smallspace organization then. The idea was kerbal in theory but everyone thought he was a snakeoil salesman

first for Big Jim

Don't let Titan floating platform anon see this.

>>12769801
Starship will get to Mars before a nuclear propulsion system is ready, screencap this post. Even if NASA sent out a $10B contract today, it wouldn't even be prototyped before 2024, by which point the first unmanned Marshot should have happened with Starship.

>>12769801
The only viable way of doing that is Nerva+Aero capture otherwise your vehicle ends up using thousands of tons of hydrogen.

>>12769801
None of us disagree anon. But Mars will be the main focus for the next ~50 years and methalox raptors work just fine. SpaceX might start to apply for DoD licenses (or just start building and testing NERVA engines themselves on Mars) in a few decades though if Elon is still alive and he wishes to expand to Titan

Video of SpaceX Falcon 9 first official hop ever (just a few meters):
https://youtu.be/pzXlUw2WhcE

Back then most in the industry thought Musk was crazy for trying to recover first stages.

>>12769048
Saved in 2014

>>12769808
i miss this big nigga like you wouldn't believe

>https://youtu.be/iXOXKfarFhg
>https://youtu.be/KQJj1_ad3FY
>https://youtu.be/PuckWaCJPWg

So I finally watched the Blue Origin PR videos. I honestly really like New Glenn, but god this was painful to watch.
>everyone phoning it in. No soul at all
>showing off massive, expensive, and mostly EMPTY facilities
>that fairing half in the middle of a giant empty room was just depressing
>multiple times told the viewer to imagine the rocket.
>Painfully apparent that there is no rocket.
>dramatic music is completely out of place
>trying to hype the facilities. Nobody fucking cares about buildings
>spent almost 20 seconds talking about a water tower
Funnily enough what was there was eerily similar to Starship. Domes had similar welds, for instance. Even the dome sleeving equipment was similar.

>>12769814
Titan isn’t all that great though is has zero rocks or metals so building a base ISRU style would be nearly impossible

>>12769822
Gotta wonder what his next move will be. Join an aerospace company?

>>12769826
The bigger the facility the more faster the rocket gets built

>>12769829
He already joined an investment firm or something

>>12769829
He already works for an aerospace investing firm

>>12769793
you could make Mars more radioactive with radioactive stuff you could track indoors.
>>12769796
>>there any NERVA vehicles currently under construction?
No, but NASA has a program to develop nuclear thermal propulsion
>> shit on by politicians
NASA has a program to develop nuclear thermal propulsion because it requires a new expensive test stand be built in certain congressional districts which have influential politicians representing them. NTP is also heavy and gives the SLS something to launch. Political support for NASA doing nuclear thermal propulsion is quite strong.

>>12769795
>no big jim

>>12769828
Okay Jeff Bezos

>>12769839
I just added Pepe Gagarin instead

>>12769801
Is there some reason a full superheavy isn't able to help get faster Mars trajectories? Then turn the first stage around and come back to LEO?
If they a refuelling in orbit I don't see why not use the full stack?

>>12769844
Superheavy isn’t designed to reenter from orbital speeds, and the full SS stack is not a SSTO

>>12769838
>Dr Zubrin I'm N A S A

>>12769836
SLS will never die but it will also never do anything important.

>>12769795
dont really like this font. the 1 in N1 looks like an I.
also some suggestions:
>nuclear srb
>M-1 Engine
>Xombie
>SRB-X
>LiFH tripropellant
>SSME gold plugs

>>12769848
How does the aerobraking work, anyway? Slow down with the thrusters and then hit the atmosphere?

>>12769747
It's a complete change in their business model, Peter Beck has said in the past they're not trying to compete on price and that their market is dedicated launches for customers who want immediate access to space. Building a medium-lift rocket means they're going to try to compete with the big boys in an area they have little experience in.
>>12769800
I still don't get it, if they're swinging for the fences, why not try to build a heavy-lift vehicle which could actually be cost competitive? If they try to speed run a fully useable Falcon 9 clone, the new heavy-lift reusable rockets will be online by the time they get it completed and I doubt they would be competitive on price so not only would they be very far behind on development of their Starship competitor, they would soon run out of money. This seems like the worst option for them, at least if they try to be the sole survivor of the smallsat launchers they won't be bleeding as much money.

>>12769763
Based Nomadd thinking they were going to build the entire thing

>>12769795
>still no casaba howitzer

>>12769852
Launching nuclear space tugs might be SLS only for a while before Starship is in widespread, everyday use

>>12769850
>perhaps he's wondering would someone refurbish an RS-25, before throwing it into the ocean?

>>12769856
I think their goal is just to be a launch company, so that government contracts which require more than one provider will include them so there isn't a monopoly.

This is still more than oldspace can manage.

>>12769828
>he doesn't know how to eskimo

>>12769830
Elon built Starship before building the facility and it's worked swell

>>12769856
There aren't any good options for a small launch company without deep pockets. We know from SS dev heavy lift rockets can be done cheap, but to get there you still need a lot of previous investment in engine dev and infrastructure. Bridging the gap with a medium lift rocket strikes me as a desperation move.

>>12769656
goes with orion battleships, but imo orion battleships should be at the bottom

>>12769745
I second this motion, and I propose that Orion Battleship be moved to the lowest tier

>>12769871
Just do something other than launch. SpaceX has the launch market on lock forever. Make cheap satellites, or cheap telecommunications equipment for space, or literally anything that isn't the launch system itself.

>>12769871
>without deep pockets
That's where SPACs come in.

>>12769878
>>12769872
If an Orion Battleship was hit by a cannon shot or something would it’s magazine detonate in one hit?

>>12769883
No it had tiny little pellets, and besides, nukes don’t detonate from exterior fire or explosions. Nukes are designed, and ONLY work, to detonate with internal fuckhuge implosions

>>12769883
If anything the magazine would make great armor since it's behind a steel plate, chock full of filler material, and then rad shielding beyond it. 'Course, you wouldn't want to actually do that, since you'd lose your drive.

To the NERVA anon: I’ve been adamantly disagreeing with you, but I should state that I have always been a proponent of SpaceX eventually making a ferry. My idea is that it could dock multiple starships aboard, and feature a few inflatihabs for extra space while in-transit. The ass would feature a set of NERVA rockets or an HDLT or something to cut the trip down. This isn’t needed per se, but it would be something nice to have eventually if spacex wanted to fuck around a little bit

>>12769883
no, the magazine is located deep in the ship iirc protected by a lot of armor and internal components, and nukes don't just detonate from external explosions
>>12769888
orion didn't have pellets, it had full sized charges i believe

>>12769882
Their pockets aren't that deep, they would need to raise an amount equal or greater to their entire valuation in order to build a Starship competitor and they're very far behind. SpaceX has the Starlink revenue stream as well so they could take the entire launch market into a very cutthroat period with almost no profit to be made if they wanted to kill off their competition.

>russia builds nerva spacecraft
>chernobyls low earth orbit during a test flight

Reminder:
https://youtu.be/bIMrn9BE_bU

>>12769871
Starship is fuckhuge, if you can do medium lift fully reusable rockets for a reasonable cost there's bound to be a market.

>>12769894
See I wholly believe that SpaceX should eventually make a truncated Starship designed only to lift off of Mars, rendezvous in orbit with a transporter, then land again. Anyhow I agree with you.

>>12769911
Fully reusable, medium lift, and reasonable cost don't line up. You end up needing overcomplicated measures to save the second stage which fucks up the payload capacity and runs up the cost.

>>12769908
I really want to write a report on building an interstellar shit with today’s technology goddamn. Also the sound of the bombs detonating is kino

>>12769928
Maybe Beck has something planned like inflatable headshield and parachute, capture by helicopter. They're building experience with that method of recovery with Electron already. Couldn't that be reasonable on a F9 sized vehicle? I understand SpaceX didn't go that route but Beck isn't trying to build a Mars rocket here.

>>12769911
They're still competing on cost of kilogram to orbit more than anything else. For example, if you made the Falcon 9 30% cheaper it still won't be able to compete with Starship once it's fully developed. The different in cost is so great that it makes more sense to launch a space tug from it than to have more dedicated launches using smaller rockets.

>>12769941
It’s possible. SMART reuse by ULA would’ve had a 10 ton vehicle get snatched out of the sky by a helicopter.

>>12769929
Just read this, you can find it on NTRS

>>12769941
This is what troubled me about his recent comments (see >>12769747) before today and especially now. Electron's parachute recovery feels like a dead end if they want to scale up, since it would be impossible for rockets the size of an Antares or larger. Their options would be to either scale up only modestly to allow for parachute recovery (pointless), develop propulsive landing (expensive), or develop something novel.

>>12769795
From the top of my head
>Lost Cosmonauts
>Sea Dragon
>SLS design from the 70s/Jupiter/DIRECT
>Paraglider Gemini/MOL
>Apollo flying turd
>The Stamp Incident
>Smuggled corned beef
>Peanut eating at mission control
>”Lock the doors”
>”When do you want me to launch? Next April?”
>”SCE to Aux”
>SpaceX tin snips

>>12769964
Either RTLS or something novel for the first stage, helicatch the upper. You're not catching a skyscraper with a megahelicopter. But obviously it would be nice to see what that is BEFORE investing in it, but because of the SPAC is effectively goes public tomorrow and will probably go to a very silly valuation like $10B in a week. They're far ahead of Astra or Virgin.

>>12769826
>spend billions on infrastructure 3 years Minimum before any paid launches

>>12769971
Explain peanuts in mission control, and ‘when do you want me to launch?’
Also kek SCE to AUX is manley tier but based

>>12769978
Blue Origin is essentially private ULA. Which, honestly is the worst fucking business model I have ever heard of. Even Astra and ARCA are dumb but at least they will go under before blowing an entire nation’s GDP into trying to impress customers.

>>12769987
lmao

>>12769971
Also
>Shepherd Rectal Thermometer
For those who don’t know Alan Shepard flew the first Mercury mission with a rectal thermometer as one of the many bio readings.

>>12769946
>>12769911
Also just the marginal cost of Starship could be under that of an even cheaper Falcon 9 clone so it's not like they need fully loaded flights to outcompete reusable medium rockets. It's mostly smallsats that will benefit from space tugs in the near future, business that would have go to Rocket Lab's Electron and similar providers with dedicated smallsat launches.

>>12769987
Don't worry, Bezos will demand a Mini Starship on New Glenn, and the booster is probably big enough to make it work. Has Elon patented any of the Starship elements like the flaperons?

>>12769996
Starship's marginal cost will be better than expendable upper stage Falcon 9skis, but will it be better than a fully reusable midsized launcher like >>12769975? Could be a market, especially if it can throw DreamChaser.

>>12769997
No, Starship is too simple to try and patent anything besides the engines and the software. Elon probably wants the competition eventually, but knows no one will catch up anytime soon

>>12769894
i wonder if this is the NERVA anon

>>12770008
Kek Im the one you replied to, and it sounds like me. I’m a geologyfag. Add browse /sfg/ and drink coffee and that’s pretty much my entire morning routine

>>12769964
Parachute land into a fresh water lake, it’s very easy
Boost back the first stage before doing that

>>12769979
>peanuts
Some dude in mission control was eating peanuts when Apollo 11 landed. Since then it's been a good luck charm. If you listen in the Perseverance control someone mentioned peanuts.

>when do you want me to launch
Thiokol engineers wanted to stop Challenger from launching, but
>Another shuttle program manager, Lawrence Mulloy, didn't hide his disdain. "My God, Thiokol," he said. "When do you want me to launch — next April?"

While on the topic of Challenger I forgot about Sally Ride's 200IQ move and Feynman's autism
>One day [early in the investigation] Sally Ride and I were walking together. She was on my right side and was looking straight ahead. She opened up her notebook and with her left hand, still looking straight ahead, gave me a piece of paper. Didn't say a single word. I look at the piece of paper. It's a NASA document. It's got two columns on it. The first column is temperature, the second column is resiliency of O-rings as a function of temperature. It shows that they get stiff when it gets cold. Sally and I were really good buddies. She figured she could trust me to give me that piece of paper and not implicate her or the people at NASA who gave it to her, because they could all get fired. I wondered how I could introduce this information Sally had given me. So I had Feynman at my house for dinner. I have a 1973 Opel GT, a really cute car. We went out to the garage, and I'm bragging about the car, but he could care less about cars. I had taken the carburetor out. And Feynman said, "What's this?" And I said, "Oh, just a carburetor. I'm cleaning it." Then I said, "Professor, these carburetors have O-rings in them. And when it gets cold, they leak. Do you suppose that has anything to do with our situation?" He did not say a word. We finished the night, and the next Tuesday, at the first public meeting, is when he did his O-ring demonstration

>>12770013
Ahem, just food for thought: but what about a dolphin sex-style architecture where the first stage serves as both the launcher AND the aero capture device. The second stage rocket can take off from the first stage, and then glide in and rendezvous and attach back once the mission is over

>>12769795
very very based!

>>12770022
Damn good post anon, thank you

>>12769030
>Starship/Super heavy as a concept began in 2012, and is almost ready to launch into orbit this year or next year
>James Webb space telescope began development in 1996, and was scheduled to launch in 2007
>tfw Super Heavy and Starship rockets will launch into space before the James Webb telescope
Immeasurable kek

>>12769211
pfft, just become immortal first

>>12770004
The goal for Starship is under $100/kg, possibly $10/kg. Falcon 9 is around $2500/kg as I recall. The Falcon 9's expendable second stage is only about 20% of the cost of the rocket. As you can see, even if Rocket Lab master full reusability and don't run into the issues (>>12769928) suggested, it will never be close.

>>12770038
SLS began as a concept concurrently with early Shuttle concepts, and Starship will fly before it

>>12770044
But Starship won't be flying full for some time, the launch market isn't elastic enough to fly 100 tons of satellites on a weekly basis.

>>12770054
That’s what Starlink is for anon.
Though I bet they will increase the number of satellites going up over time.
100 for the first Starship
200 for the next
Until Starship is frequently putting up 400 Starlinks a launch

Why can Soyuz launch in a blizzard but every Ameritard rocket has to abort if the temperature drops below 70 degrees or the wind is more than 3 mph?

>>12770070
boy i can't wait for launches to be impossible within about a week of that due to satellite rain

>>12770006
yeah, he's always been pretty incredulous that he's not getting more competition. Sounds like he expect reusable rivals to surface a while ago.

>>12769928
>attach heat shield to front
>attach parachutes on back
>???
>profit

>>12770073
Because Soyuz is an ICBM built when Russia was still using T-34s.

>>12770038
Starship/Superheavy didn’t begin actual development until 2015ish, and metal was bent in 2018. Raptor is trickier to pinpoint.

The Virgin Nasa
>Needs government funding
>Needs permission from congress to approve any projects
>Taxpayers hate it, and complain it is doing anything important, wanting to take away more funding, expecting it to do more with less money
>Is likely to have multiple projects cancelled with each new administration, and then suddenly start new projects for that administration, wasting billions
>has no serious plans to send humans to mars
>Just barely wants to reutrn to the moon, as it should've been back decades ago
>has to outsource spaceflight to private companies until it can use it's own capsule again
>Constant delays
>James Webb Telescope delayed again, LOL
>SLS, LOL
The CHAD S(pac)EX
>Gets most of it's funding from richest man on the planet
>Approves cool concepts that and discards dumb costly or inefficient ideas
>Normies love it, fangirling over Elon-kun, who is an open weeb and internet troll
>"So, a million people on mars by 2050, let's do it"
>Is one of the contractors to fly people to the moon
>Is currently serving as a private commercial spacecraft to ISS, for nasa and other customers
>Some delays, but mostly due to Elon blowing his load early on optimistic and unrealistic timelines
>Many doubted it could accomplish 5% of what it set out to do over a decade ago, and many still doubt, despite being proven wrong time and time again
>Launched a car into space, along with the largest launch of small satellites, aiming to create largest satellite constellation to date
>Super Heavy and Star Ship were developed in about a decade, constructed in less than five years, and are just about flight ready from first test flight to flying humans in about 3 years time (Also looks like a massive shiny penis grain silo thing)

>>12770089
>Starship/Superheavy didn’t begin actual development until 2015ish
>In around 6 Years of development Starship is about to fly to orbit, while James Webb is 25 years and running, and might be delayed again till "next year"
lmfao

>>12770054
>But Starship won't be flying full for some time
It doesn't need to be, they could have 1/5th the payload mass it would still be cheaper. The Falcon 9 can take 22,800 kilograms to LEO, Starship should be able to take over 100,000 kg. The difference in how much it can lift isn't nearly as great as the difference in cost.

It's just a fact of life, you know? Traps are gay, larger rockets will always be more cost-efficient.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/01/uk-meteor-huge-flash-as-fireball-lights-up-skies

>>12770105
neato

>tfw the RS-25 will never be used as the upper stage it deserves to be

>The ISS produces fewer human-hours (per month) of research than Skylab or Salyut, despite weighing 20x more and having nearly 10x as much internal volume. Of the 6 astronauts flying on the ISS at any one time, about 5.5 of them are busy with station maintenance.
I didn't know it was this bad

>>12770133
Yep, feels bad man
I think if it was more automated/robots were running more of the ISS and doing some maintenance to ease human workload perhaps productivity may improve?

>>12770133
Imagine how Shit the design has to be to need constant maintenance of the station
Like what are they even doing
Searching for tiny leaks ?

>>12770117
RS-25 can’t be air started and even if it was, it can’t be restarted.

>>12770133
It's beginning to feel like the "2024 retirement" touted a while back wasn't just a budget concern, but rather a hard design limit beyond which the station will suddenly disassemble itself.

>>12770138
ISS is just old, and not that good a design to begin with. It's going through that sort of buildup to catastrophic failure that all machines go through, which starts off imperceptible then becomes noticeable after a long period, but once it's noticeable complete breakdown is right around the corner.

>>12770133
>>12770142
>>12770153
ISS Episode 2 when?

>>12770159
the next ISS will be built by china and we'll probably be locked out of it because of the retarded ban on cooperation with them

>>12770159
I think we're past the point in time where that makes sense. Much like buying seats on commercial spacecraft, governments should partner with private companies to use part of their space station rather than make their own. The ISS cost 150 billion to build yet had a pressurized volume less than two Starships, pretty crazy if you think about it.

>>12770179
why did they retire the shittle instead of just stripping them, sealing up the payload bay, and using them for an insta-station?

>>12770173
Tiny yellow hands wrote this post.

>>12770173
The Chinese are still a bit slow at the moment. I don’t know why they’re building ISS2.0 instead of just going ham for a lunar mission

>>12770186
you would have to be pants-on-head retarded to not see the obvious reality that china is growing quickly and is going to overtake the US at some point, probably before 2050.

>>12769256
>And I will admit that I have no clue how plasma sails work despite the fact that they get mentioned every day.
Read, and be enlightened.

https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2017/12/29/the-plasma-magnet-drive-a-simple-cheap-drive-for-the-solar-system-and-beyond/

An /sfg/ anon actually emailed Greason and confirmed the 0.2g bit was supposed to be 0.2m/s^2

>>12770199
Please highlight why it will.

>>12770187
probably for diplomacy reasons, having a station means you can entice other countries into being nice to you by letting them attach their modules to it

>>12770159
>>12770173
Starship can not only launch modules for a completely new station, those modules could be built using the same rings-in-a-field construction technique that Starship itself is being constructed with, which will mean super cheap modules mass-produced by the dozen. Each flight could likely take a 12m long by 6m diameter module at a time, plus whatever hardware they stuff inside and outside the module. One flight per month and you get 4000 cubic meters of station volume in one year.
If you wanna go really crazy you could actually do something with your station and use it as a little factory in space that takes 100 ton rolls of metal shipped up by Starships and bends and welds them first into large rings, then stacks and welds the rings into big tubes, then caps the tubes with big domes, to make very large new modules to expand itself (practical limits for size are likely in the dozens of meters of diameter and up to 100 meters in length, but you could customize for whatever you wanted to achieve).

>>12769321
lel the romeposter actually predicted this talking about Neptune

>>12770203
you can screech about muh subhuman insect chinks on reddit all you want but the fact of the matter is:
>china has a significantly larger population than us
>they have significantly more industry
>their wealth is rapidly increasing
>they are building massive infrastructure
>the government in general actually gives a damn about doing shit and looking good in the eyes of its people and doesn't just spend all its money on contracts for boeing

>>12770201
That's literally an order of magnitude error and it makes me doubt all of his other math homework, unfortunately. Not saying he's wrong, but if he can overlook an error so simple as this he's likely to have made an error somewhere much more subtle or hidden within the layers of calculations.

>>12770207
Starship can become a space station the damn thing has 1000 cubic meters of space. Also what’s stopping SpaceX from adding more ring segments to the payload area if it’s just going to stay up there?

>>12770199
China is economically dependent on western consumerism.

>>12770220
It was a verbal error at a presentation, not something in his written work. All the stuff he's written down has been solid.

>>12770207
i hope to god we manage to finally build a gravity ring some time this century

>>12770223
and the west is economically dependent on Chinese manufacturing. who cares? international trade isn't going away.

>>12770231
Are you retarded? The only thing that is going to keep America from becoming destitute is a regime that revitalizes American industry and cuts foreign dependence. Otherwise it's not going to afford to feed China.

>>12770241
yeah bro you just gotta elect a based and redpilled paleocon and everything will be alright and retvrn to the 1950s. just keep telling yourself autarky is viable bro.

>>12770222
Yes Starship can become a space station, that's true. However it still makes sense to build our own massive space stations in orbit, once we're at the point of space colonization where building our shit to launch from Earth is fucking annoying and we'd rather launch building materials to just manufacture in space because it's simpler (ie, a single big tank of air is way simpler to live in and maintain than the ISS lego machine).

Bros...look how HANDSOME Eric B lookin lately. Humina humina!!! Can I get a piece o that?

>>12770245
>just keep telling yourself autarky is viable bro.
It is for the US because of specific geographic advantages. China not so much.

>>12770252
he's not wearing a wedding ring so??

>>12770254
why don't you go post some more chink hate threads on /pol/ to make yourself feel better

>>12770182
1. onboard power was fuel cells so they'd need solar panels
2. the clamshell doors had to be open for heat radiation
3. OMS propellant tankage was not designed to be refilled on orbit
4. Before Shuttle-Mir that's basically what the Shuttle was when it took a Spacelab module up, and the ISS was already an upgrade over that for both capability and endurance.

>>12770245
Weren't you listening? It doesn't matter either way.

>>12770259
Read Zeihan.

>>12769187
So next week then. Gotcha.

>>12770263
>muh rivers
go back to /int/

>>12770262
lmao what is this complete autism

>>12769048

Bitch your limitation is far too lax.

https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2021/02/24/sls-is-cancellation-too-good/
>calls the engine "finicky"
>It had a series of terrifying “teething” issues, complete with combustion instabilities, cracking turbine blades, and leaking seals
>"the reliability estimate was off by a factor of a thousand or so, so each re-usable engine had to be meticulously disassembled and reassembled and test fired before every flight, at enormous expense."
>"Feynman’s report pointed out that no SSME ever built had even got close to the design qualification requirement. ... For example, instead of working out why the engines showed signs of damage after a single full duration test firing, when they were designed to last for dozens of flights between inspections, they decided that anything short of a catastrophic failure after a single flight meant that they were safely within design margin. "
>Are they reliable enough? No. But are they expendable? No. But are they at least affordable, because we already have them? Also no.
>Let’s get this straight. We’re going to take these priceless antique reusable rocket engines and fly them once and drop them in the Atlantic Ocean. And the engines alone will cost us about the same as 10 Falcon 9 flights.
yeah, anyways I was surprised to hear the RS-25 get dumped on like this. I was under the impression that it was very reliable/reusable. Does anyone here know exactly what Casey is talking about?

Oh, and this is a fun video: https://youtu.be/YzUgq14kBwA

>>12769908
would the plate really move that dramatically? It looks a bit silly.

>>12769048
I remember the day /sci/ was first created. If you didn't post here that week your not an oldfag.

>>12769211
Wrong. 1g acceleration meme drives (as in the ones that we pretty much know can be built but just won't be anytime soon due to unrelated issues) can get you anywhere in a year or two.

>>12769877
a classic

Will we ever meet our 35 year old waifu? maybe we will meet her again on Mars, wearing that suit... she will be in her 50s by then. how cruel is life

>>12770322
>yeah, anyways I was surprised to hear the RS-25 get dumped on like this. I was under the impression that it was very reliable/reusable.
The SSMEs never failed in flight but they needed so much work after each mission it might be better to call them repairable than reusable.

Reusability to return to flight comparison
>RS-25: thousands of man hours of rebuilding the fractal autism that was a hydrolox staged combustion engine made on a 1970s tech base
>Merlin: scrape the soot and TEA-TEB remnants out and give it a quick tune up
>Raptor (current): GODDAMMIT STOP FUCKING CHOKING ON THE LANDING BURN
>Raptor (design goal): run without maintenance until the rocket itself is obsolete, then drop the fins and run expendable one last time to yeet some monster probe into deep space

>>12769288
>>12769285
The secret is to mass produce ships and constantly resupply them, include new settlers to replace the dying ones too. Not like we are running out of humans any time soon.

>>12770322
> it was very reliable/reusable
Because NASA put so much effort into processing them on the ground. There were well over ten thousand workers at the prime contractor in 2006, for example.
They claim there were 7,000 parts (out of 50,000) that required periodic replacement at the Space Shuttle Main Engine Processing Facility.
With high processing and attention given, the output was good, but the point of the engines in terms of operations (and a necessity for economical/frequent shuttle use) was that they wouldn't require so much inspection/refurbishment/repair effort between flights.

>>12770334
Shipboard time, yes. Those are very much one way journeys since you're within a cunt hair of lightspeed with all the nasty time dilation that implies. I suppose for a colony ship that's not a bad thing.

Is there a case for Rocket Lab's Neutron to be made out of stainless steel instead of carbon fiber?

>>12770351
>then drop the fins and run expendable one last time to yeet some monster probe into deep space
I really want to see this happen at some point

>>12769603
>Make fence out of stacked shipping containers to stop photographs
>Ban drone overflight to stop photographs

They cant ban manned aircraft.

>>12769618
The unfortunate reality is that BO and Bezos' space dreams are dead in the water. No amount of money or effort will save it at this point. New Glenn is going to be obsolete before its first flight. The best thing for him to do would be to completely abandon launching and entirely pivot to working on space habitation. Unfortunately, even if he had some revelation overnight about it I'm pretty sure he wouldn't even be legally allowed to do so.
>there is a world in which a massive partnership between Blue Origin and SpaceX occurs where they build huge space stations and launch them on Starship

>>12770223
>>12770241
It isn't and never was. Its exports (to the entire planet) as a share of GDP peaked at ~35% in 2006. It's currently below 20%.
China's growth is driven by internal demand.

>>12769646
> If Bezos starts launching freight for pennies on the dollar?
That's dumping. US government might step in, EU would step in.

>>12769703
Apollo 12's secret EVA

>>12770187
They're going ahead with the Long March 9 (for operations beyond Earth orbit) as well. The US already demonstrated the dead-end nature of a "flags and footprints" back in the 1960s and 70s.
A space station is also a dead end, but they're not building anything on the scale of the ISS (or with rockets as expensive as the STS), and it works for developing their experience with space infrastructure. It also functions as a prestige project, and a way to build an inclusive space order (against the closed nature of the ISS) through taking their astronauts to the station.

>>12770199
China is good* at copying things. They grow (catchup) quickly, but have no way to actually overtake anyone in anything but raw numbers. If someone else doesn't do it first then there's nothing for China to do.

>>12769631
Dose Sea Dragon deserve a mention?
Project Babylon?