/sci/ - Science & Math

First for orgies on mars

fuck urf tbqh

>>12764504
The Expanse has a fantastic setting with awful authors, it's kind of a shame really.

....liftoff!

>>12764512
The first book is one of the best science fiction operas ever written. I haven't seen the show, I don't want it to dilute how much I enjoyed that book and the sequels.

>there are still 2 Saturn V's with flight-ready hardware in existence
Why doesn't NASA just fuel them up and launch them?

Saturn V makes me happy, SLS makes me angry

Put an end to mass-shaming now, space bigots

>>12764507
Can someone help me worldbuild a setting where there’s a few thousand people on the moon and mars but the asteroid belt and beyond is still an untouched wilderness?

>>12764514
Get your copy while still in stock! Buy buy buy Berger's new book, exclusive access!!

>>12764512
Anyone got that soviet-style photo edit of the unpersoned Pajeet?

>>12764517
saving them for emergencies or a special occasion.

>>12764522
Literally IRL plus 30 years. Don't change much. All you need to do is assume that Starship lives up to the hype and Artemis leads to commercial moon bases.

>>12764516
Watch the show until S2E4 then leave it.

>>12764507
Titan quadcopter in the works rn

>>12764521
SpaceX Daft Punk costumes are flight suits, not EVA suits.

>>12764516
It's just as good as the book through the first season and into the second, but by season 4 it's literally "four hours of Naomi crying in a closet, 5 minutes of cool space combat"

I cannot reccomend watching the combat scenes enough though, it's like Children of a Dead Earth will billion dollar CGI

CHOOSE YOUR FIGHTER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48NVO7cYlh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zY8LZleFsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJWNXXUYAiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E2A08CJ8WQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW1y_2DuIsc

Did that fucking SN10 launch yet?

>>12764522
Civil war causes NASA defunnding and because of it colonies struggle

Reminder that the Saturn V was conjured up from scratch, designed, built, and flown in less than six years.

>>12764530
wont titan be dark a lot? what are its daylight cycles like throughout a saturnian year?

>>12764538
yes it's currently orbiting ceres.

>>12764517
Wait you guys have an excess of those but now you struggle to build any rocket? Is it cause Von Braun is dead

>>12764512
There is nothing special about the Expanse as a setting. It's as full of handwaves and magical mcguffins as star trek.

>>12764534
Considering the fact that all but one of these look badass in render, but retarded IRL, I'm going to have to go with Mercury. Because that shiny Navy Mark IV looked badass even in person

>>12764542
The people doing it actually wanted it to fly, not just to get paid.

>>12764534
>Xenu is the only actual spacesuit

>>12764507
Give it to me straight bro’s. Is it over for Blue Origin?

>>12764552
For the base worldbuilding it's mostly just the unrealistic voodoo drive, other than that it's fine without the ayy lmaos

>>12764559
I know but the guy hasn't done turntables of every suit.

>>12764534
ACES is by far the best.

>>12764507
Asteroid/Comet-mining yay or nay?

>>12764571
Big yay for using on-site or elsewhere in orbit. Super retarded for bringing down to Earth.

>>12764561
Real life fusion drives are pretty disappointing. They have low thrust and to reach Expanse-speeds you’re talking about making your ship 50-60% propellant.

>>12764560
They've got Bezos Bucks and Military Industrial Complex cash. That should give them time to try and turn things around.

Tfw not skilled enough to ever escape this shithole planet

>>12764560
It never even began, they bulshitted the public, government, and any potential investors/contractors about actually building a rocket, they'll just be an engine company which puts out pricey, inefficient, unreliable LOX/LNG engines. Maybe after a few failures and some early embarrassing performance they'll patch the BE4 into functionality if they feel up to some work.

>>12764582
reminder that the first colonies will be like oil rigs with as many people there to do and fix shit as scientists and engineers.

>>12764561
>uugghh im SPINNING
Like a third of the setting is fucking retarded, Ceres and all the asteroids would be blown apart. Also magic aliens make up all the major plotlines unless you separate magic spatial anomalies.

>>12764575
Platinum group metals and he3

>>12764591
I wonder if they'll bring the families of the engineers and scientists.

>>12764596
He3 is only worth using in space as fusion rocket fuel. On Earth it's easier to just make it with D-D fusion.

>>12764599
doubt it. it'll be a loners paradise.

>>12764582
Just save up $500K and you’ll be fine

>>12764599
We can make those in situ.

>>12764609
What are these discord gifs anon

>>12764611
speaking of discord this sub should have one

>>12764611
I just discovered how to make them lol

>>12764616
No, fuck off.

>>12764609
I earn less than £16k now thanks to chinkflu

>>12764524
>unpersoned Pajeet?
What happened? His character wasn't bad

>>12764616
OD on H
>>12764618
Oh based

>>12764616
die

>>12764626
he show-bobs-and-vagened then the obnoxious mulatto womyn metood him.

>>12764626
>show bobs n vagene
t. Cas Anvar

>>12764624
Anon I may or may not be sitting on a shitload of money. If it turns out Musk's plan is "pay and you can come", then I feel I have an obligation to pay for a lot of /sfg/ fags to come with me. A lot of people on reddit and twitter claim to want to go, but half of them will pussy out and the other half won't be able to afford it. And I feel like by bringing /sfg/ anons we can get a head start and make Mars less like reddit and more like 4chan.
When the time comes I'll find a way to get you all there if you really can't afford it

>>12764624
Ah I see. Pursue higher education? Find a trade? I admit I am not very versed with the Euro world.

>>12764626
Who?

>>12764636
Fucking kek

>>12764641
I bought a “million dollar home” because my wife was pregnant and we wanted a good school system. She miscarried and we’re divorced now but I still have my house and my job so once it’s paid off I’d gladly pay for mine+someone else’s ticket

>2021
>I am forgotten

I guess inflatable space habitats are dead. It's a shame because the BA 2100 would have had a pressurized volume of almost three times Starship.

>>12764544
100 times less light than here

>>12764641
>decades later sfg is reunited on mars
we need a tell to see whos who.

>>12764654
SNC is taking on the concept while deuce bigelow goes back to hookers and blow

>>12764653
how to accumulate such sums of $?

>>12764657
Just shit on soience, everyone will get it.

>>12764660
>Buy an expensive house
>Have it on a 30 year mortgage
>Do not die or lose your job for 30 years
When I sell it I’ll have a lot of money but for the time being most of my salary goes to paying for the damn thing

>>12764660
And whats a expensive house got to do with a good school system, Im a Europoor btw

>>12764654
He just did a Joe Rogan interview. He talks a little about inflatable habs, but it's mostly him ranting about UFOs. He even gets into telekinesis, which not even Rogan buys.

>>12764654
Lmao isn’t he a conspiracy theorist or something? I’ve heard he’s batshit crazy
>>12764653
Mars will be fun but not having access to /sfg/ at my fingertips will make me sad. Maybe there will be some sort of intranet on the red planet and we can make a server and keep it anonymous

>>12764641
Thanks anon, at the moment I'm still saving up to throw everything I can into Starlink when it goes on the stock market and then see where it goes from there

>>12764664
>walk into "the first bar on mars"
>walk up to the bar
>shout pisslocks
you fuckers better not ignore me.

>>12764653
Get back with your wife and try again, idiot

>>12764672
>brb, I gotta depressurize the pisslock

>>12764530
titan planes are going to be pretty fugly desu. Small wings/rotors and giant bodies. Very practical but they won't be lookers.

>>12764560
They'll do fine as yet another oldspace clog, but it's unlikely that they'll ever escape from that fate. A sad ending.

>>12764687
you mean CUTE

>>12764687
rotors on that are 1m. thing is going to be huge.

>>12764659
Didn't know SNC is still working on the LIFE Habitat.

What even is the economic case for inflatable habitats? One would think that they would be much more expensive than an expendable Starship retrofitted as a space station so wouldn't they only make sense if you need a pressurized volume greater than that?

Any of you fags actually work in aerospace or is it pure LARP?

>>12764706
they launch uninflated (obviously) so you can get huge spaces without the bother of orbital construction. connect a few together in a circle and spin them and you have a massive space hotel or whatever.

>>12764713
I'd like to someday
t. currently in automotive

>>12764713
how is discussing a topic of interest a larp?

>>12764706
Idk if they are "economic" aside from the fact that SpaceX and NASA might be willing to pay for them. NASA for sure, SpaceX I pray uses them in some way. I'm still a big proponent for their use on Mars, and maybe their use on some sort of ferry system that would take multiple Starships from Earth to Deimos

>>12764713
I invest in aerospace does that count

>>12764618
How?

>>12764713
I pump my meat rocket and that counts.

>>12764726
No, guess who else does that shit

>>12764713
I'm larping, does it matter? Like .001% of aerospace personnel are actually relevant.

>>12764737

>>12764746
>I want to smell you alive, girl

>>12764746
I WANT TO SMELL YOU

>>12764746
Isn't that technically cannibalism?

>>12764746
why is he always so fucking creepy

>>12764746
that's jeffs mom. mind your manners.

>>12764713
just a university rocketry team at the moment

>>12764760
show us yer rocket

>>12764616
check the IRC

>>12764700
damn that is big
>https://dragonfly.jhuapl.edu/
hey cool they already have a website devoted to the mission. There are a number of videos in the gallery but they don't seem to be working for me.

>>12764542
They had the engines already

>>12764765
This is a blue board.

>>12764746
what the fuck is this picture

>>12764774
that jpl isn't involved worries me.

>>12764672
the narwol beacons ;)

>>12764776
...so? SLS was literally supposed to be a shuttle-to-rocket scenario. They had the engines already too. along with everything else

>>12764779
Jeff committing cannibalism.

>>12764672
>So how are the plans for removing the atmosphere from the earth going?

>>12764780
Yeah, John Hopkins APL will be doing it. I have faith in them but JPL has the best track record, and JPL gets WAY more public interest.
>>12764779
Yeah seriously what the fuck is it? No amount of context would make it normal. Jeff is just a weirdo

>>12764760
what kind of rocket, size?

>>12764779
damn aboriginal people roaming the damn desert playin the damn didgeridoo, man, eatin' lizards and shit

>>12764726
Why yes I'm also an aerospace investor, investing in cutting edge companies like Astra who are furthering the advancement of BIPOC and the other pressing social issues of today.
>>12764713
We've had a few people who built satellites and a SpaceX employee. We've also had someone that shilled for Boeing/ULA like it was their full-time job so I'm counting them as well.

unacceptable

>>12764804
Not even alphabetical or by positional authority within the company.

Oh, and they put the women in front.

>>12764774
Yes its a real mission, launching in like 7 years
>>12764780
Why, does JPL have a good track record or what? Anyway if this thing crashes im gonna off myself

>>12764804
Not ONE BIPOC!

>>12764808
>They put the woman in front
She's the principal investigator dumbass

>>12764810
>does JPL have a good track record or what?
ooof

>>12764804
Peter Bedini guy for some reason gives me confidence this shiet will work

>>12764804
If they give Dragonfly the same livestream coverage as Curiosity/Perseverance you just KNOW they will find the token interns and put them on the panel to talk about how diverse the mission has been

>>12764507
I hate that picture, its absolutely fucking awful and you suck for sharing it. Every reminder of what could have been is more blackpilling than boeing's space program

>>12764812
Oh yeah I guess the Mission fucking Architect isn't as important lmao.

>>12764812
Its literally a shitpost and wrong at all levels; they're listed in positional hierarchy.

>>12764810
>does JPL have a good track record
Uh probably the best division in NASA. They don't fuck around

>>12764512
Its a bullshit show and the books suck

>>12764816
>namefagging

>>12764819
The Principal Investigator is the grant holder for the project. The budget is in their hands.

>>12764819
No? The principal investigator is the one who pitches the whole mission, decides what needs to be on it, how much each instrument would need to cost, etc. They basically design the entire mission from scratch and then write a paper on it while making sure the thing gets built on time and on budget. Are you retarded?

>>12764713
Remote sensing and geospatial, so tangentially related to spaceflight

>>12764830
Yes :^)

>>12764824
>best division in NASA
so I assume theyre pretty diverse

>>12764531
I want to see a spacex counterpressure suit. Fuck the bullshit artemis suits

>>12764802
>a SpaceX employee
Speaking of which, I'm STILL mad at that faggot that went over to the NSF forum to tell them of our SpaceX insider in order to impress boomers and ruin the whole thing. I hope he gets tortured to death.

>>12764824
JPL is amazing. They’re still full of OldSpace bloat but at least they give good results

>>12764755
Fuck me he's Casanova compared to Gates

>>12764575
>Super retarded for bringing down to Earth.
Wrong

>>12764835
Rest In Peace to that one guy who broke into Boca Chica and took pics of Starhopper

>>12764833
They just landed Perseverance on Mars. The stream was full of people of color, but when it cuts to mission control you can see that JPL is actually just full of whites and asians and NASA pushes random black social media people in front of the camera for social points. All of NASA is white/asian if they are doing anything important

>titan has a massive planet wide ocean under the surface
well

>>12764616
Fuck you. Kill yourself you dirty nigger

>>12764831
Something to do with autonomous driving am I right?

>>12764698
>When you look like 3 80s SEGA arcade shooter sprites lined up in a row

>>12764844
My family is Venezuelan and I constantly get confused for being white because I have pale skin and green eyes race is such a joke goddamn

By the way in case anyone hasn't been watching the market, all the space stocks ate a giant bag of dicks and are on fire sale. Just don't buy the dumb ones like Astra or Virgin.

>>12764846
what if we just move Titan to the inner solar system? Mars could use a new moon, and ocean planets are cool

>>12764853
well considering you browse here yo might just

>>12764846
Yes it is the chad planet. Maybe it's a good thing that Dragonfly is being done by APL and not JPL. I hope the public don't drool over Titan like they do Mars (hell, 99% of normies who watched Perseverance land probably don't even know Titan exists). I want Titan to remain obscure so we can escape to it without normies infiltrating and establishing sharia progressive law

>>12764641
>>12764653
You guys are heroes. We must make space a 4chan reality. I am working on my skills as we speak, i will find a way to go up

>>12764698

>>12764846
Shit Titanians will be drilling for water like we drill on Earth for oil. Titan is the inverse of Earth, all your fuel is right there on the surface while all your oxidizer and hydrogen is buried deep beneath the surface.

>>12764846
What's more exciting is that it has cryovolcanism. The actual ocean layer itself is probably dead as fuck.

>>12764858
>just move Titan

>>12764859
Agreed same for Europa
>>12764846
Europa has a even better ocean under a thinner shell and is closer

>>12764853
Race is fucking retarded and it has only become an issue again because of democrats. A black person is just as equal as I am, and I thought we had this figured out by the early 2000's. But now we have reverted and all of a sudden black people are oppressed again and I owe them something because I am white. It's fucking gay
>>12764864
Kek good point. Although I should remind you that water exists on the surface. It behaves like rock here on Earth. You can just melt it in a furnace (oh and by the way one of the greatest pros of Titan is that furnaces are SUPER SUPER SUPER efficient)

>>12764787
Yea the SLS is a joke but they already had the key things that can’t be rushed In the Apollo program, like engines

>>12764866
>cryovolcanism
water volcanoes?

>>12764862
Bro for real as soon as I get the chance to head up there I’ll dedicate some shit to SFG. Also when I toured SpaceX I wish I asked SFG questions instead of retarded shit like “When will the ticket cost $500K?”

>>12764872
How do you get energy to heat the furnace

>>12764834
Here you go. But for real though, why doesn't that biosuit concept just store the life support in hardsuit armor? It's so much more convenient than a big ass backpack and more sensible than some weird ass robot that probably can't keep up.

>>12764876
Yer

>>12764872
Ah that is true, I guess the one benefit of a buried ocean of light material like water is that it naturally wants to depressurize and so will readily rise to the surface through any cracks or fissures, and will presumably be flung up by any geological (or cryovolcanic I guess) activity as well.

>>12764881
noice. can't wait for that little bird to land. the pics will be sooo good.

>>12764854
>Just don't buy the dumb ones like Astra or Virgin
You cannot stop me, I am above the concerns of mere mortals like "investing in good companies".

>>12764851
That's more interesting than what I do which is consultancy involving Esri software mostly. Though I did build a system recently to do routing for flying cars, idea being that with a good dataset of what's on the ground you can generate routes that are efficient but avoid sensitive areas like schools etc. The routes basically end up taking you over rivers and green space, avoiding tall buildings and so on

>>12764853
Post your ancestry23 results fucking idiot

>>12764507
Let’s talk about SN10.
>Will it work?
Just like SN9 there’s no reason it shouldn’t land in one piece, although some other issue coming up during flight could kill it.
>Will it use the 3 engine landing burn?
Will it? Elon says SpaceX plans on doing this. I’m confused though on how Starship will land if only the top engine and one of the two bottom ones are firing. Won’t thrust be off-axis? How will it flip over without rocking to one side?
>What is your biggest concern about SN10’s flight?
For me, I’m still scared of a Raptor failure during ascent. Also the landing. How about you guys?

>>12764867
Obsessed.

>>12764916
Has a raptor ever failed on ascent?

>>12764853
>confusing race with nationality

>>12764853
That's because you have massive white admixture, retard.

>>12764920
>that one guy who posts "obsessed" every time someone makes fun of his dear leader
obsessed

>>12764935
>Under the wide and starry sky,
>Dig the grave and let me lie.
>Glad did I live and gladly die,
>And I laid me down with a will.
>This be the verse you grave for me:
>Here he lies where he longed to be;
>Home is the sailor, home from sea,
>And the hunter home from the hill.

>>12764935
Its now at the bottom of a metallic hydrogen sea

Martian colonists will need some meat in their diet eventually, so what is the best animal to take along for the journey?

>>12764944
He's so far ahead of spaceX it's not even funny >>12764746

>>12764935
Cassini was one of the greatest missions launched by NASA. Weaved its way in and out of the entire Saturnian system and saw so many things before burning up

>This fat fuck wants to die on Mars

>>12764944
bid ol smelly cow. just hanging out in ss while you're trying to sleep.

>>12764944
Unironcially sheep.
Wool + meat make it a great resource

>>12764954

>>12764973
dump eet

>>12764920
have sex

>>12764944
read the official 4ASS report: https://docdro.id/uGf3k1F

>>12764921
Nope.

>>12764944
fish and chicken

>>12764942
UHHH SORRY SWEATY NOT REAL

raptor update

>>12764954
He had very aggressive thyroid cancer a few years ago and had to have his thyroid surgically removed. You can see the scar in pics. He's terrified of death and is obsessed with making himself physically/historically immortal. Hence his need to start a colony on mars/develop Neuralink

>>12764973
>delay the hop

>>12764867
it can't be that hard, humanity has been moving rocks around for thousands of years

>>12764952
when your wikipedia article looks like this you know you've done good v

>>12764979
This is very well made we need more 4Ass reports on shit like this.

>>12765001
We're gonna need a longer lever.

>>12764893
why would you do this? in what world can Astra survive Starship existing?

>>12764916
Starship deals fine with off-axis thrust. SN5 and SN6 flew and landed with a single off-center engine.

>>12764992
projecting
>>12764954
Hes not fat

>>12765006
some rope system should work, just tie Titan to Jupiter and swing it around to Mars

>>12765010
Projecting what exactly? He's a piratical industrialist hellbent on making his vision of reality exist before he dies. He has a visible thyroid removal scar that appeared at exactly the same time that he began gaining weight and throwing tantrums on twitter. It isn't hard to connect the dots.

>>12764992
I've heard there's a connection between autism and having your thyroid removed. Is that the case or is it a 4chan meme I've bought into over the years?

>>12765010

He's fucking chunky bro

>>12764973
'Allo? Elon? Congratulations, you squeezed our short, what iz ze next step of your master plan?

>>12764534

>>12765009
not him, but Astra looks to be at the far end of smallsat launchers. That meaning very minimalisitc and mobile. This may give them a niche if they can lower their prices enough. Ridesharing will be cheaper but there will still be a market for dedicated launchers who can launch quickly from anywhere.

>>12765021
18m Elon when?

>>12764833
>so I assume theyre pretty diverse
Nope

>>12765033
There's not a lot Astra can do that Starship plus Vigoride can't; and since Astra isn't working on reusability they'll never be cost competitive.

>>12765018
had my tonsils removed

>>12764853
What is your ancestry? Your education seems to be the only joke here

>>12764854
Whats good?

>>12765009
It’s the flip maneuver that worries me though. How will it flip right if there’s more thrust to the right or left? I don’t know how to explain it correctly

>>12764878
Man i want to ask elon about the final soultion to the proonter question

>>12765009
You probably didn't read that correctly, I no longer own any Astra stock and I made around a 33% gain which I consider reparations for the pain and suffering inflicted on me with their BLM bullshit :^).

I'm with Gwynne Shotwell on the the future of small satellite launchers, most of them won't survive and the ones that do will live off government contracts. Space tugs will service the niche orbits and take most of the commercial customers away from them. With the pace of SpaceX launches, I don't see much of a market for commercial customers who cannot wait until the next rideshare or Starlink launch.

>>12765054
? It’ll gimble and adjust flaps and engines are very close to the center anyways

>>12765029
>durrr I just love this suit because it is so MOBILE bro
Kek check this thing out, it sucks
https://youtu.be/ddWCp5qh6lw?t=464

>>12765061
OH NO NO NO WE GOT TOO COCKY ARTEMIS BROS

>>12765053
MAXR is kinda oldspacey but they're the least overvalued and Legion is cool. KTOS does satellite comms and ground systems (they also do drones and laser weapons). SRAC (Momentus Space) is a startup doing space tugs as a service. SFTW is a newspace MAXR, but is more expensive for it's revenue. Those are the ones I hold anyway.

>>12765070
Thanks man haha

>>12765061
Wow this actually looks like shit

>>12765061
Why does it have a stupid rigid frame that right away puts you in an awful ackward position

>>12765061
Previous EVA suits aren't any better.
Also you have to consider not just the range of motions, but how much effort it takes the wearer to perform motions.

>>12765061
Hey anon thanks for trying on the suit for me

>>12765076
A neutral pressure hardsuit is much easier to move in than a pressurized soft suit. With puffy inflated joints you have to battle against the change in air volume inside the suit to do anything, so the more parts of the suit can be rigid the better.

>>12765021
He's only a couple of years older than me. I know that struggle. Lowered testo is a harsh mistress and a losing battle.

>>12765061
He looks miserable, his neck looks like its craning up just to be able to barely see.

>>12765042
Posting a few more because the dumbass leftists are going to kill our scientific programs with forced diversity. The most qualified should get the position period.

>>12765017
Industrialism is good

>>12765076
You enter through the back of the suit. I don't know if it's still the case, but a least at one point the idea was to dock the suit to an airlock and leave it outside. Thus preventing a bunch of moon dust from getting into the habitat.

>>12765080
So pressurize the suit to the minimum needed for your skin and keep the normal quarter atmosphere in the helmet

>>12765091
Getting out of that thing must be a bitch. Do they attach the O2 tanks after they get in?

>>12765091
Not a horrible idea

>>12765091
he's clearly hating his life
>this suit is uncomfy
>what do you mean i have to do the procedure again?
>my feet hurt
>i wish i was at home

>>12765111
>spend all day walking around in the arizona or w/e desert in a heavy awkward suit
the SMELL

>>12765091
Better to just have a wash, scrub and dry cycle in the airlock desu

>>12765091
Imaging using that after your sweaty female coworker gets out after an 8 hour EVA haha

Why hasn't Elon invested in spacesuit developement? He cant expect the spandex suit with rubber boots to be adequate for extended surface visits on mars.

>>12765120
*sniff*

>>12765122
EVA might just be a dead idea, live in your vehicle on mars, or in the habitat

>>12765122
He will either outsource it and buy a bunch of NASA ones, or quickly throw together a design. At the end of the day a spacesuit is essentially just a spacecraft. And SpaceX is pretty good at making those way cheaper than everyone else has been doing.

>>12765126
I am once again ballposting

>>12765085
I see chingys and brownies in both these photos

>>12765126
At some point you are going to have to / want to do EVA's. Sending a bunch of Boston Dynamics robots out will defeat the whole purpose of going to Mars and strip the entire mission of all soul.

>>12764973
goddamn young elon is ugly

>>12765133
Mars isn’t the same climate as the vacuum of space or moon

>>12764846
Throw titan and Triton into mars.

>>12765149
ffs arthur just leave the planets alone

>>12765152
Why does Arthur ruin his colonization videos with retarded shit like skyhooks and massive cylinder stations

>>12765117
That would be too big and heavy for rovers.

>>12765132
The second one is all white and the first has what 2 chinks?

>>12765159
Overengineered POS. I've seen this "rover" ever since I was a child. They want to use it on the Moon in Mars but they've spent decades fine tuning it and adding to it to where it probably costs $400 million now

>>12764799
running a 30k htpb + nitrous oxide hybrid, but developing a liquid engine also

>>12764952
>Cassini almost got shitcanned because of anti-nuclear protestors who were angry about its plutonium RTG
>Michio Kaku was behind the protests
>“Winds can blow (plutonium) into Disney World, Universal City, into the citrus industry and destroy the economy of central Florida,” said Michio Kaku, a protesting physics professor from New York. He claimed that casualties could run as high as a million people if there were an accident.
Anti-nuclear fags are scum. Fuck Kaku and other "futurists"

>>12765170
Makes me so angry. He just sits in front of cameras and talks about string theory and dark matter - and has been doing this for 30 years while raking in millions. People like him get the airlock if they ever try to show up to Mars

>>12765170
>Winds can blow (plutonium) into Disney World
if only

>>12765170
Well, isn't he right?

>>12765164
I still don't understand why they designed it that way

>>12765176
Yes he is, had Cassini exploded or failed to enter orbit the effects would have been pretty bad. RTG's scattering across the globe isn't ideal. But we shouldn't let the fear of muh radioactive matter keep us back from exploring. I'll admit I don't know the full story. Maybe Kaku was just saying "hey maybe this COULD happen so we should just be careful." Or maybe he was saying "CANCEL THIS MISSION NOW". But either way, we shouldn't hold ourselves back because of possible ramifications. We should be fucking zipping across the solar system on Orion pulse propulsion rockets and trading between planets; not arguing about the gender of Mr. Potato head and fearing the atom

>>12765160
Its literally a white and asian endeavor

>>12765176
No. More radioactive material is released by the coal industry.

>>12765176
I’m sure the RTG is in a solid enough container that it wouldn’t break

>>12765196
Would any container that wouldn't be excessively heavy survive a rocket explosion though? I think that's what Michio was getting at

test

>>12765076
>>12765061
>>12765029
>forced to do the shia pose all the time
hell

>>12765242
Kek yeah, and do the trademark batman neck turn

>>12765206
Since they only have to shield the rest of the craft from alpha particles, which a couple sheets of paper could do, they can put almost everything into structural integrity. They blew up the Nimbus B mission, recovered the RTG from the ocean, buffed out the scratches, then reused it on Nimbus 3.

>>12765247
from reading the wiki it seems the main worry was it fucking it during a gravity assist past earth and showering the planet.

>>12765206
What do you think plutonium is lol
It’s a lump of solid metal that heats itself up, in a steel case

>>12765251
>showering the planet.
With what? The millions of RTGs on Cassini?

>>12765251
>disperse a small amount of radioactive material over the whole planet
>everyone collectively increases their lifetime cancer risk to the tune of one cigarette

>>12765261
three rtgs burning up in the atmosphere. no biggy the estimated deaths were tiny.

>>12765267
>burning up in the atmosphere.
Look up how well Apollo 13's LEM's RTG did on its unplanned reentry from cis-lunar space. They're really hard to destroy.

>>12765206
>rocket explosion
rockets don't usually explode, but rather deflagrate. They have more in common with an intense fire than a bomb. Notice how with SN8 and 9 there wasn't really a "boom" when they hit in spite of the fire.

Anyways, it's the impact with the ground that would be the real concern.

>>12765170
I find it highly unlikely that he was doing this entirely on his own initiative. He's a media creation, meaning someone had to throw their weight behind him.

>>12765281
>whodoyouthinkownsthemedia.jpg

How many successful launches will Starship need to pay off its research and development costs?

>>12765306
1, kek

>>12765306
Escaping this clown world is priceless so however many launches it takes to create a colony on Mars.

https://twitter.com/bluemoondance74/status/1365716390792019970
pretty cool. Sound from a raptor test by someone who lives near the facility.

>>12765306
Pretty sure its nasa contract paid for most of it

>>12765320
I’m so confused. This is Boca right? Not McGregor? I thought the static fires were only like 1 or 2 seconds. Why did the last one sound like it fired for a whole minute

>>12765328
I mean, just read the tweet.
>The 2nd test of the night of
@SpaceX
McGregor burst in with seemingly max strength at 8:44pm

>>12765164
>They want to use it on the Moon in Mars but they've spent decades fine tuning it

So they should've arbitrarily stopped at some point, and also not used them on the moon and mars because we haven't been back to the moon and mars?

>>12764879
Beamed power from orbit.

>>12765329
Fuck me, I am retarded. I thought it would be in there somewhere and I saw "...complete w/ that signature Boca Chica shut down sound" and assumed it was Boca

>>12765179
A space suit is the smallest possible space ship

When you want to transfer occupants you dock the space ships together, thus the suit port. Sure, you could put the ship inside the ship but that's science fiction with mass limitations as hard as they are

Add another layer of necessity on top of this because moon dust is bad

>>12765328
Nah, they do longer tests there too. In fact I think they design, produce and test them there?

>>12765333
As my old boss used to say, there comes a point in every project when you need to shoot the engineers then ship it.

>>12764507
FarmerAnon inspired me to write my own essay about Mars so I’ll be doing that within the next few days. In the mean time, here’s a table with some math about Starship payloads to Mars and their transit times.

>>12765339
I think he was referring to the dumb overly complex wheel design and cab design. Idk maybe he was talking about the spacesuit system though. The suitport is just about the ONLY thing on that frankenstein rover that makes sense

>>12765345
Elon is now subcontracting out parts of Starship development to 4ASS apparently

>>12765306
I think total program costs were projected to be like 6-8 billion, so a lot, but then again it's going to fly a lot too. It's not like there's going to be lingering project cost or something though, so far as I'd heard NASA's original contracts helped it start up and it's being fueled now by Elon's personal wealth.
If we divide 8 billion by the 200k each ticket would cost, and assume 25 people per ship, it would take 1600 Starship launches to pay for the whole project. Double the crew to 50, which is about as many as I could realistically see living in a 1000^m3 tube for 4-6 months, and you'd need only 800 launches.
Basically, the first major colonization push involving 1000 ships will probably pay for most of the entire project on it's own, assuming that it's run as a for-profit endeavor. He can also obviously charge the government 30-50 million a shot and keep almost all of that as profit due to the nature of the vehicle, still outcompeting all other superheavy lift rockets.

>>12765362

>>12765362
>I think total program costs were projected to be like 6-8 billion
Wasn't that when it was made out of carbon fiber? Right now they're spending like 6m on engines and maybe that much on the rest of the vehicle.

>trying to watch the amazonia launch stream
>it's filled with bolsonaro spammers because the institute is too retarded to have given me moderation powers even after I asked
This was my only contribution to the space program...

>>12765155
He's wittewawwy bwain damaged, anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr91aM3nbW0
Stream will go live in 90 minutes

>>12765362
I see what you mean but even better is that they have the ability to launch satellites. If they earn $10 Million in profit from every satellite they launch, after 100, they earn $1 Billion

>>12765386
Starship will probably launch hundreds of times before it gets rated for humans. It is possible for Starship to break even before the first human gets aboard.

Reminder that SRBs are archaic and that SLS will definitely cause some human casualties.

>>12765384
Are you fucking kidding me..... just when I decide to make an effort to start going to bed at 9-10pm

>>12765409
West coast wins again.

>First black on the Moon
>First black on Mars
Funding secured

>>12765382
it's cool, stream chats are always shit. It's a constant.

>>12765417
Lol she isn't even African American though. Why is she pushing this angle

>>12764970
milk, wool, and company is much more important than mutton. farming fish would be a much easier option. but you don't need meat for anything more than specific macros and general protein which you can get from supplements and other plant species. fuck vegans.
>>12764979
that is fucking fascinating

>>12765417
They could be brothers

>>12765422
Cotton and linen would be necessities, right?

>>12765422
>companion sheep
Fucking space welsh I swear to god

burritos are the superior space food
>self-contained
>efficient use of volume
>endless variety
>little mess

>>12765013
you'd want to throw it off it's gravitational axis, stabilize saturn's core and watch it's moons float away, blast some asteroid debris towards us and let it carry Titan our way

>>12765428
Also you can make them entirely from crops and livestock in the 4ASS official space agriculture report.

>https://www.strawpoll.me/42713762
How do you guys think New Glenn will perform when it finally launches? I'm going to save this poll and bring it back up when NG actually performs.

hol up, do people actually think kamala is "African" american?

>>12765341
The engines are made in California but tested in McGregor

>>12765428

>>12765442
>when
if

bit of a trippy view

>>12765455
>>12765442
that's why I included the final option.

...and fuck my ass I somehow forgot to include a "complete success" option. Bah, I need to go to sleep.

>>12765421
>she

>>12765442
Good poll actually. There's a lot that can go wrong with a rocket launch. I think lots of people here on /sfg/, as well as reddit and twitter, will expect something to go wrong on the way up (explosion) or on the way down (failed landing). But I think people don't take into account the fact that second stages often fail a LOT with early aerospace companies. I think the maiden flight will see a successfull first-stage landing (albeit it will be a hard landing and they will almost lose the booster) and something will fuck up with the second stage. Screenshot this if you think this is autistically accurate

>>12765458
>...and fuck my ass I somehow forgot to include a "complete success" option. Bah, I need to go to sleep.
No, your subconscious nailed that one.

>>12765428
Every single burrito I have ever bitten into has exploded out the back.

>>12765439
The only bean plant in that report is onions. Are other beans too difficult to grow in space or something?

>>12765442
It still isn't clear to me what BO's plan between first launch and first landing is, because no way in hell are they going to just land it perfectly first time.

>>12765463
They're either overloaded or not folded correctly.

>>12765465
lel I got word filtered does soi work s-o-y

>>12765458
>and fuck my ass I somehow forgot to include a "complete success" option
I didn't even fucking notice when voting on it. Blorigin is hopeless.

>>12765399
>SLS will definitely cause some human casualties.

>SLS will launch

>>12765456
SpaceX should sell stainless steel above ground pools

>>12765481
A sufficiently catastrophic pad RUD could overwhelm the LAS, or Orion's pajeet software with no integration testing could just fail to light them.

>>12765486
heh. Actually that wouldn't be a bad idea? Probably cheap as fuck.

>>12765486
Retired Starships will be sliced up and sold as high capacity hot tubs.

>>12765456
Damn those are looking spiffy

Hey /sfg/ correct me if I'm wrong but, Artemis 1 got pushed back again recently, right? And the SRBs we saw tested last year have an expiration date and have to be replaced if they sit around too long, yes?
So are they going to have to replace their brand new fully-tested SRBs and build/test new ones due to the mission not happening this year?

>>12765499
surprised they're so shiny after sitting out in the elements for so long.

Speaking of that here's a question: how do they clean the tanks prior to use? I assume they have to some way because they'll get dirty outside and you don't want dirt in your turbopump

>>12765499
They haven’t put the supports in yet which is what makes it ugly

>>12765504
You are correct. I think the push back still places it within the SRB expiration date so they are good? But as far as I know it is VERY CLOSE to the expiration date; i.e. if it has another slip, then they will need to make new SRB's

>>12765504
If they fuck up the green run test again it is entirely possible they will have to make new boosters from the delays that were caused.

>>12765467
Theyre going to try their hardest to land it the first time. Sort of like an opposite SpaceX.

>>12765164
Wouldn't the best solution at this point genuinely be something like the sherp but with tesla motors?

>>12765515
Didn't they just push the second green run test back?

T-1 hour to ISRO launch

https://youtu.be/hrpOql5APFg

>>12765517
I'm not even trying to suck Elon's dick or anything, but the best solution would unironically be just sending a fucking cybertruck. I seriously believe Elon will, at some point, make a SpaceX cybertruck rover that will be used for Artemis (maybe) and the SpaceX colony (definitley)

>>12765529
>>12765517

>>12765529
desu just yeet a uhaul

>>12765529
SpaceHumvee rover convoy hunting down loonies on the Moon

>>12765532
>giant steel habs
>no bricks anywhere to be seen
>some giant digging thing that weighs tons

>>12765547
proonterfag btfo

>>12765547
Sorry sweaty. Fags don't need bricks. They just need modular boring company drills and a few stainless steel surface habs. Besides, most of our living quarters will be natural lava caves and lava tubes. The boring company machines are just to drill out a few extra rooms.

>>12765547
It's a Boring Company digger.

>>12763189
Answering this anons question from the old bread.
It either ices over and you accept some evaporative losses everytime you go through. The ice wouldn't be too thick but you have to crack it to get through.
The other alternative is putting a thin layer of vacuum stable oil on the top, doesn't need to be thick at all to stop evaporation. It will stop ice forming but you might get a bit of oil on your machines/suits.
All a trade off, whatever method you want the entrance to be covered with unpressurised doors to stop wind and sun.

Now that people are going to Mars who aren't going to be exclusively government workers as in they paid out their own pockets to go, the lefties are turning it into a class-warfare thing.

Obama's co-director of NASA is treating SpaceX as if it's Musk's Lambo or Jetski.

>>12765552
How do you make ur stainless steel habs??
Because you aren’t making stainless steel there
Will there be a nice giant cavern or lava tube where we want? I doubt it

Remember all we have seen is the mars surface by satellite for now

>>12765575
whatever they need to justify giving more money to boeing
it doesn't matter, SpaceX doesn't need civilian contracts

>>12765547
Diggers on Earth don't weigh shit. A proonter of any reasonable size is going to weigh a fair bit still along with needing an arm longer than the hab width it can build.

Pic related: 3 Tonne digger with IC engine, modified for Mars you could probably get it down to 1.5 with less sturdiness and lithium batteries.

>>12765584
Let's be honest here. Above ground structures are a luxury thing until we've our needs filled.

Needs & wants. Our government wants above ground structures for a glorified flag planting mission.

Underground structures means that you don't need to ship in build materials other than tunnel reinforcement stuff.

Once you have a tunnel individuals & pairs would pay for an apartment to be build into the side of a tunnel.

That instantly jump starts an economy as people would pay for an apartment to be built 2 years ahead of them going to Mars.

That's just living spaces. With underground structures you quarry out stone to build liquid holding tanks for sewage treatment and storage of millions of gallons of water, which means long hot showers.

it also means we can pump methane & other chemicals into the ground like the strategic oil reserve.

Industrial equipment gets to stay out of the elements, and you could build underground rocket test stands in sealed off halls.

>>12765524
T-25 minutes!

>>12765603

Above ground structures will happen, but that's long after we've established a surplus of food that would be processed on mars into long shelf food products like those preper products that are advertised to last 10 or 15 years.

>>12765606
This is what underground methane storage tanks could be like.

>>12765606
Innawoods? No, unnaground.

>>12765605
Official channel is LIVE
https://youtu.be/lr91aM3nbW0

>>12764507
Not gonna lie, I’d pay a lot of money to watch a Jeff Bezos movie where he goes from the hero to the villain and ends with “The Man Who Sold The World” as it shows present day Jeff.

>>12765603
>things digging through solid rock is easier than stacking bricks above ground

U wot mate

Brick buildings and open pit mines is how it’ll be
Only deep drilling for water

>>12765612
The guy transformed from Peter Parker to Lex Luther.

>>12765613
Nuclear powered tunnel boring machines. We have thousands of years worth of mining experience.

>>12765345
keep up the good work anon

>>12765611
OVER 90 PROTOCOLS FOR SAFETY AND PROTOCOL

>>12765611
I'm so worried bros. If this fail, the entire brazilian program will be set back another decade or two easily, there's literally only one chance for it to work...
The pajeets fucking this up will destroy the little space industry that we have, I can only hold a picture of von Braun visiting Brazil and hoping for the best

>>12765626
lol you're right this sat has been in development for like 30 years

>60 m resolution
are the hues even trying

Fuck the pajeets use the interlocking o-ring sections on their SRBs as well. This meme will never die I guess.

>>12765631
This is like the fifth generation design of a military junta government mandate from the 70s, revised in the 90s and only worked on the early 00s. I know at least 15 people that have been at this for 35+ years, just waiting for this satellite to work/launch so that they can retire.
Needless to say, stakes are high.

>>12765053
WHATS GOOD NYUGGAAH??!

>>12765626
Man, I hope it succeeds for you guys anon.

>>12765611
Audio is raping my ears

>>12765626
You know what this means anon. You have to take up the mantle and lead the Brazilian space program into a new era. Take the knowledge you gathered here and go.

What is the mindset of Brazil here?
>Hmmm I could just pay someone like SpaceX to launch this... but NAHHHHH I think I’ll go with India!
Is this somehow cheaper than a F9 flight?

>>12765626
Why did they not go with SpaceX anon?

>>12765584
>Will there be a nice giant cavern or lava tube where we want? I doubt it
Toobs are everywhere. Even at the bottom of Hella Planatia

>>12765610
unnaground threads were a special time on /k/, real good times
we're going to make the unnaground /k/ube cult dream real on the moon

>>12765645
>>12765646
The pajeets were cheaper. It was an open bid, and it is being arranged via Spaceflight.

>>12765524
Pajeetas in space

>>12765651
Mosins on Mars would be a scary weapon indeed

>>12765652
How the FUCK is this cheaper than an F9? I can understand this being cheaper than ESA or Roscosmos—but not SpaceX. Does India build their rocket out of spare parts pulled from the Ganges or something?

That constant EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE in the background

How do hydraulics work on a rocket? Wouldn't the water freeze or boil?

>5 stages to orbit

>>12765659
They save money by not requiring toilets. It's a gamechanger for launch costs.

>>12765267
If those RTGs are vaporized and deposited into the upper atmosphere, the total number of deaths should be zero. It wouldn't kill a single fucking person.

>>12765668
Don't they use gasses like Helium?

>>12765668
> hydraulics
> water
bruh

>>12765675
Wouldn't that be pneumatics then?

>indian
Holy shit this is actually pretty exciting

>>12765643
I'm trying fren, but everything is far too complicated for me to handle alone. One day everything work out for us, I'm sure...
>>12765659
The cucked government makes everything be on closed bids, so they had to make a "final offer" without knowing what other bids. Somehow the indians were cheaper, but I am not even sure how they made it so.

India is so weird. They’re like black asians with white facial features, but the social standards of africa. Yet they have potential for high IQ. I don’t understand

>>12765681
More population = more smart people
It also means more dumb people

>>12765681
It's a strange land.

Why is ISRO too retarded to put a countdown overlay on their stream?

>>12765620
Weird pic related, they are drilling for explosives, not digging.
Easiest way to get through tough shit. Dig out the rubble, shotcrete the roof then keep going
>t. been in a few coal mines

>>12765384
What are the sats for?

>>12765681
India has an 80 average iq
They are Africa tier

>>12765687
the countdown lady is comfy. very frau like

>>12765683
It helps that if your family acts like dumb monkeys they fall down the caste levels, so people try to act civilized.

Holy shit that thing pitches fast, I thought it was falling over at first.

Holy shit that thing took off fast

lol she missed 4
you had one job lass

SECOND STAGE IGNITED! :DD

I love this announcer bro
“SEVENTY SECOND STAGE; NORMAL!”

The Indians are using mind control using those high pitched tones to make you hate toilets and want to shit in the street.

>>12764609
will it really be that cheap? maybe I actually will live on mars

>>12765705
Such a low effort shitpost but still made me laugh lmao

>>12764713
I work in the aero part of aerospace

>>12765705
I'll meet them halfway and shit in my neighbor's garden.

https://www.isro.gov.in/Spacecraft/scatsat-1

>>12765704
yo same kek

>>12765362
>not counting Starlink
The tickets from colonists are a drop in the bucket and basically just a preemptive layer of quality vetting.

>that one time a 463 view youtube video by some Indian prof walked you through some complex homework problem and saved your ass
Happened to me
Indians are cool sometimes yo

>>12765704
jaanvarti insuparadekar

>>12765555
you're a boring company nigger, check'd

>>12765720
Fuckin' diggers man

>>12765717
If the US had to choose between China and India we better fucking choose India as our ally and trading partner.

let’s fucking gooooo India. I love their dark red, apple colored rockets

>>12764507
Not gonna lie I hope the Indians make it. Also they have a cool reusable launch vehicle program.

>>12765722
This, they may be goofy sometimes but they definitely appear to have souls unlike their competition.

I'm so glad that the thing didn't blow up in the pad bros.
Now they just need the 4th stage to do the work, CBERS-2A was lost because the chinks fucked up the last stage and it couldn't make orbit, but this one has to work...

>>12765722
I'd rather we just nuke them both 2bh.

>>12765722
Everyone would choose India over China all things being equal, but their country is pretty damn dysfunctional. They really need to get their shit together, there's no reason they couldn't end up with the biggest economy on Earth in the next few decades.
Problem is all the best people leave, there's a massive brain drain problem, also all the caste shit prevents any sort of social mobility.
Anyway today the poo's are based.

Kek anyone else notice this? The telemetry map shows all of Kashmir as part of India. Chynease BTFO’d

>>12765733
The caste system is really fucked up in all actuality.

>>12765735
Man I hate china

Congrats Brazil anon I hope this helps your country reach for the stars

>>12765735
BASED