/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12754865
It was Rama. The ayys took one look at this system and said "Whelp, nothing interesting here!" and didn't stop.

>>12754891
alien malfunctioning probe

>>12754899
Working as intended.

>>12754865
I don't know what the hell was it but the name is one of the funniest shit I've heard for no reason

>>12754865
alien probe that dropped a self replicating nano package into the sun. we don't know it's true purpose yet

>>12754962
kill human race, construct dyson sphere, conquer the solar system

>>12754891
This. It was definitely a probe a la Rendezvous with Rama. The giveaway is that it used gravity to perfectly slingshot out of our solar system.

>>12754865
Derelict ayy object been floating around for a long time.

Swamp gas

Avi Loeb thinks it was Ayys

>>12754865
Cryosleep emergency pod after ship failure, the ayys thought we would have been in the Galactic Federation by now to save them. Sucks for them LOL! Have fun drifting in space forever dirty xenos!

You know grey aliens? Well these are black and pissed off, give it a couple years to fester.

Were pretty much fucked.

Imagine how fucking annoying it would be if it was a contact probe with all sorts of information about the aliens meant for us but we missed it

>>12755870
That would make perfect sense, too worried about corona, trannies, and drumph.

>slightshots perfectly around the sun
>non-explained acceleration
>weird cigar or pancake shape
>11 times more reflective than other natural objects

I honestly think this was the most interesting astronomical discovery in a generation and I'm still pissed off that we missed it and forgot about it already

Please come back.
I promise I will pay more attention to you.

>>12754865
I really hope we find another one, seems to be the only way to find out at this point.

>>12754865
this is barbaric for aylmaos. Think about it.

Youve just explained the acceleration. Rare shape because why not?

i was thinking this. Is there a reason why no one took initiative to probe?

It was literally just an interstellar chunk of rock/ice that gassed as it got hit by our sun

>>12756969
By the time it was detected it had already flown past Earth and it was going way too fast for us to catch up.

>>12757008
except it wasn't

>>12757049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wICOlaQOpM0

>>12757068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D24E4F90HTo

Listen to Loeb's arguments, they are compelling.
The only time we've seen reflectivity this high on a similar object was on an "asteroid" that turned out to be a failed rocket launch from 1966.
So the possibility of it having artificial origin is high. Fact is academia has been scared to rock the boat on this possibility.
By the speed and behaviour it doesn't seem to be an active craft. It does seem like something that has been wandering erratically for millions of years.
But it could be some debris of artificial origin.

>>12757095
the video I linked discusses Leob's arguments

>>12757095
and I also like to listen to Event Horizon but all his content borders on fantasy, it's still fun and interesting

>>12755206
this is the thing that i cant shake. every other hole in the alien theory is credible to me. but it changed trajectory and used the sun as a slingshot. something we've thought could be used in space flight.

cant get over that.

i dont know if it even knew we observed it but it did seem to know where it was going

>>12756969
the way it dropped into our solar system was unusual, we didnt see it until it was nearly gone

which i would say is something you might do if you’re trying to gather information on a life bearing planet while avoiding detection and not testing their long range defensive capabilities

>>12754865
>Doesn't explain why it took 'Oumuamua millions of years of wandering around to get here
>Doesn't explain why it's trajectory and speed matches the Local Standard of Rest, which is more consistent with a natural object that has been wandering the Galaxy for millions of years
How do you know it was wandering for millions of years?

Also do you think in a few million years Voyager will tumble past an alien civilization and get them arguing just like thus

>>12754865
Ayyy debris. Local standard of rest makes sense if the craft was in the outer part of a solar system when it disintegrated. An object of an exotic solar sail material could last millions of years. Light sails are designed to accelerate. I honestly think it could well be a crumpled up piece of a light sail.

>>12754865
It does seem an awful lot like an alien probe scoping out our system. It's probably just a rock or whatever though, because nothing ever happens.

Even if it was ayyy, we would never be able to reach it at current technology.
So we pretty much weren't destined for it yet. The ayyys would just be disappointed.

>>12757095
>Fact is academia has been scared to rock the boat on this possibility
it's been discussed and assigned weight commensurate with the evidence, which is very little

>>12754865
It's a fucking space rock.

>>12757502
It's not aliens. It's been a million years travelling from the last star system it was ejected from.
It's an odd shaped slab of rock and ice, tumbling

>>12757444
>>12757590

you dont get it, perfect gravitational slingshot between 4 planets, sun > mercury > venus > earth |+ a perfect temporal evacuation

Lookup 2 body problem, this "random rock" is somehow doing literal rocket science.

information theoretically this cant be coincidence, too much signal, not enough noise.

It was a giant dinosaur shit that got flung into orbit when the asteroid crashed and now its floating about up in space and shit

>>12757676
Survivorship bias

>>12757676
exits heading 66.6deg on the galactic plan
try looking , memory holed probably

>>12754865
a fractal dust aggregate:
https://arxiv.org/abs/2008.10083
It would have a low density and weird shape

>>12757994
Schizo fag

>>12755814
Nigg ayys?
> GREAT! We get to colonize a whole new race.

>>12754865
Its a rocket shell from an ancient emerging civ launch tumbling eons and eons thru your mums cunt.

>>12754899
maybe it's was spinning to scan

>>12757095
>piece of discarded alien technology wandering erratically for years
>happens to follow a trajectory that perfectly rendezvoused with venus and earth

combining the ideas of it both being non-natural and randomly happening upon that particular path seems way too unlikely

It was a cigar.

This https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2021/02/10/new-theory-perfectly-explains-oumuamua-naturally-from-exo-pluto-collisions/

>>12757068
PBS is a mass misinformation network my friend, look up the interview with the head

Wew mamma

>>12754865
>what the hell was it?
A huge ayy turd.

>>12757669
Fair enough, but the acceleration??

>>12762450

For the record I don't think it was aliens or alien space debris or alien solar probes tumbling or whatever.

But the attack pieces on Loeb are getting fucking ridiculous. Introducing new asteroid types we've never seen before or asteroid types that we know wouldn't last through the interstellar medium, then stating "...better than one astronomers wildly speculative ideas..."....is just shitty.

Here is a way to be honest. Hey Avi Loeb states that the best possibly theory right now is that it was alien space debris or a solar sail. He has some good points based on the unique characteristics of the object.

However, we feel this theory is equally valid in explaining the object and is more probably due to...

Then again, most astro-x educated types I've met have the social graces of a baboon tossing shit. Probably why the first time the media sees one that isn't morbidly obese, perhaps is a female that is 5/10 or greater and can string a sentence together without appearing autistic...they immediately leech on them.

>>12757826
How? How does "survivorship bias" explain this?

I have a few friends who work in the field of astronomy and almost everyone they know privately thinks it was aliens. Nobody wants to put their name on it though.

>>12754865
>Surface as reflective as polished aluminum
>Cylindrical shape
>Executed a perfect gravity slingshot maneuver and passed close to all the rocky planets of the inner solar system
>Fucking ACCELERATED on its own beforehand
That last part on its own is enough to make aliens look like a plausible explanation.

>>12762465
yeah but this guy does a good job

Would it even have been possible to catch up with it once we realized what it was? To get close enough to take actual pictures not grainy nothing photos?

No it was already heading out of the solar system when we recognized it and too fast to catch up with it. But if we detected it on the way in then we would have been able to go take a picture of it.

>>12762986
>Introducing new asteroid types we've never seen before or asteroid types that we know wouldn't last through the interstellar medium

Both of these issues are tackled by the nitrogen hypothesis. It's rare enough to have not been seen before (since we monitor asteroids...which is, what, 50 years?), but not extremely rare, it's based on a sound physical phenomenon and it doesn't evaporate too early like in the hydrogen case.

Stop repeating lex fridman level bullshit. We all want to discover ayys, which is EXACTLY why we need to quickly rule out phenomena that are not ayys.

>>12754865
cons on the ayy object evaporate if you consider it to have been a frozen defunct ayy object with some functions resuming their pointless work if warmed up by a nearby star.

>>12757676

Also the moon, so its a 5 body problem.

Reflectivity, shape and acceleration really dont tell the story like cold hard math.

>Meanwhile, millions of years into the future, there will be aliens debating if Voyager wasn't in fact just an hydrogen iceberg

>>12755206
>>12754891
So when are the other two coming

>>12767785
Would not match the size or the speed nor would have such precise trajectory, but the analogy is nice.

>>12754865
>Oumuamua
How certain are we on the incoming trajectory of it? As far as I've understood it we only detected it when it was already leaving the system and then hindcasted the incoming trajectory?

But if it was a solar sail then it could've had some really wonky incoming trajectory with serious deceleration and we end up mispredicting everything due to assuming it was behaving like a dumb rock until it started accelerating away from the sun.

Can't we extrapolate its trajectory, find a possible point of orginin and SETI the shit out of it with radio telescopes?

It came from somewhere above us in the galatic plane, so there are fewer candidates there - at least if compared to aiming out into the galaxy's center or arms.

>>12769175
Disregard my second part, I suck cocks.

Just looked up and we are actually 90 degrees to the galactic plane, so there are many possible points of origin.

>>12754891
To be fair Rama didn't stop either

>>12754865
>Ayy colony starship
>Takes millions of years to reach new star system with garden worlds
>Unfortunately the ships AI glitched and used most of it's propellant millennia ago on unnecessary course corrections
>Doesn't have enough delta v to slow down, only just enough to prevent crashing into the sun
>Left adrift forever now at relativistic speeds

>>12764933
Technically since we know its heading we could make a 'chaser' probe to accelerate and try to intercept it, but it would be a huge investment that nobody wants to take at this time when Mars and Moon missions are starting to come into gear.

>>12769175
It was at local galactic standard of rest basically, so compared to the movent of the stars it's actually basically just sitting in empty intersolar galactic space most of the time. The Sun just happened to pass close by it. That's why most people who think it was ayys think it was a derelict piece of space trash or something. It wasn't a targeted probe unless it specifically sits in the galactic plane waiting for stars to come close enough to come in a take pictures or whatever.

Big anal probe.

>>12762465
space time is a great show

>>12762483
It was a minuscule amount of acceleration that followed an inverse square law, exactly what you'd expect from out gassing, thought to be fair, it would also be consistent with radiation pressure on a light sail.
We didn't see a comet tail because it doesn't have any dust

Remember anons, the ramans do everything in threes.

>>12770295
You mean we dont have interstellar neighborhood watch for these nig ayys who just scoped our shit...

damn were cucked.