/sci/ - Science & Math

>>>12673547

Link to old thread

>have math degree
>Not qualified to do anything
>Can't even find a menial labor for subsistence wages job
I'm taking classes on SQL and excel now hoping to find a entry level data analysis job. I'm certain it won't work because nothing good ever happens. It's hard not to give into despair when you're running out of money and see no actionable way forward

>>12699945
I'm a data analyst and have also been a business analyst. Ask me anything about it.
Most of my current role is Excel (formulas, VBA, PowerQuery, and DAX), but I also use SQL, Power BI, PowerPoint, Python, and Powershell

>>12699993
I have very little experience with coding outside of Python in my freshman year. Will 12-18 week courses on excel and SQL with a math degree be sufficient to get my foot in the door? Is there anything else I could/should be doing to make myself a more appealing candidate?

>>12700042
>>12699993

I'm a consultant so I've worked a bunch of different places doing lots of different kinds of analysis work.
Broadly speaking, being an analyst is 2 skills:

>>Managing the data (that's the technical part with formulas, code, etc.)
and the other is
>>Understanding why (this is how you present your analysis so your audience understands it and makes a good decision)

The [math]why[/math] part is often domain specific.
For example, if you're interviewing for roles in insurance companies, you should do some homework to figure out what insurance companies care about (premium, claims, losses, rates, etc.) but if you're interviewing for a data analyst at a marketing firm (or a marketing department of any company) you should know about marketing funnels, sales pipelines, close ratios, lead scoring, etc.).

A good general domain to learn is basics of accounting/finance because ALL departments speak this language. This is things like revenue, ARPU, ROI, income, variance to budget, quarter-to-date, Year over Year, etc.

The value of an analyst isn't in calculating the QTD growth of revenue. The value is in the analyst digging into the data and highlighting interesting phenomena: QTD growth is +12% on average but for stores with <$10M in sales it was +80%! So our smaller stores are growing much faster than the others-- this is something the stakeholder wouldn't necessarily know to ask but when the analyst finds it proactively and brings it to light it can help the business make changes for the better. In this example, maybe smaller stores are more recently trained on selling best practices, or the kinds of customers who shop here are fundamentally different, or who knows! More analysis can find this stuff out.

>>12700042
Different anon, but I'll give you advice on courses in general and applying them to get hired - find an actual project to do that has some meaning. Advanced courses are a waste of time imo. A basic 10 hr course is fine, but past that, find a meaningful application for the tool and by understanding what you are querying, how you want to process it, and what you need the output to be you will learn 100x more than just doing a tutorial, plus then you have something to show. If I interviewed someone even for an internship and they said they had x qualifications and had no project to show I'd really be questioning how much you actually know.

>>12700133

[math]Data[/math]

In most of my roles, Excel has been the most important skill. It's so important because it is ubiquitous: Every department uses it -- HR, marketing, product, operations, engineering, management, etc. Maybe some data science teams use it less, but 100% of departments use it. When a data science team presents their findings to the CEO, they do not do it in a jupyter notebook. They do it in a PowerPoint with slides which have pretty charts made in Excel.

For the technical side, I would make sure you can manipulate data in at least 3 ways: 1.) Excel formulas and 2.) Excel pivot tables and in 3.) queries in SQL. So if the interviewer asks you to find the store which had the best average close ratio in Q1-to-date in the US and for salesmen with first names with fewer than 5 letters, you should be able to do that in any of those 3 languages. Maybe that example was pretty complex but the idea remains-- if you can solve the problem multiple ways it helps prove you can figure stuff out.

In preparing for your role, I'd do a few projects. For data analysis, using real data is important because a primary skill of an analyst is munging data: cleaning it, joining it, etc.

There's tons of free datasets: Kaggle, sports, national/state census data, local traffic data, NGOs, etc.
An example of very good visuals (that are focused on the visual side of things) is Tableau's viz of the day.
These look like some nice projects:
https://careerfoundry.com/en/blog/data-analytics/data-analytics-portfolio-examples/

>>12700140
Agree with this anon. Do a (or a few) projects.

I studied EE but I'm looking for an easy way to get a job that's purely programming, so no embedded. What would be the best way or career for me? Would it be easiest to just study webdev?

I just want to get a FAGMAN job. What should I do?
t. CS student in the UK

>>12700159
There's lots of jobs that are like this, firmware integration. It's a pretty far stretch from EE to front end, that is sort of my job ironically, but I can't imagine many other people are in that position, I learned front end because there wasn't enough bandwidth at my company to do what I wanted to do (building an easy for human UI reflecting circuit board level concepts).

>>12700190
get an internship

>>12700249
And what if i don't?

>>12700579
you die from starvation in the streets

>>12699713
anyone here in biotech? what is it like?

>>12699713
What does /sci/ think of going into Quantum Engineering (as a Master)?

>>12699945
What math degree? From what school? What was your gpa? Etc, give us a little more information

What do you get out of double degree in mechanical engineering and physics? I'm interested in automobiles, fighter jets and rockets but I'm also into superconductors, condensed matter physics, nanotech and CNT batteries.

>>12699713
Is it possible to build a career in industry (Pharma or similar) with only a bachelors degree in a program like chemistry, biochemistry, or neuroscience? Can I do meaningful work and obtain a healthy salary without a graduate degree?

>>12699713
Is math-bio a meme? Specific disease models, but if there are certain areas that are usually much more employable, what are they? How about bioinformatics? I like diseases and I like math. (I didn't mention biostats because I know the job market is very good for them, and epidemiologists depend heavily on their location)

>>12702258
I am not in either field, but as you have not yet been answered, I'll attempt to answer based on my limited knowledge of peers who are in the aforementioned fields. It's not clear to me why you would study physics unless you were passionate to the extent of giving up the probability of future prospects, have a desire to never leave academia, or feel that it would optimize your GPA for future applications to professional schools (medicine, dentistry, etc). Engineering is obviously much more vocational and offers great prospective opportunities to develop a career; particularly if you study in a co-op engineering school!
It depends entirely on your desired path following undergrad, and if you believe that you could efficiently handle the workload of a double major. If you cannot meet the latter, perhaps majoring in engineering and taking physics electives of specific interest is more advisable?

>>12700937
Lab work isn't fun, for sure. Good luck on your thesis and PhD.

t. did thesis in experimental physics

>>12702258
Wouldn't that be materials science? Just do this, it has all of whatever you want.

What's a good undergrad thesis for CS that heavily involves theory? My profs (and by extension my adviser) is pretty ignorant by the theory here. I'm interested in Machine Learning and Programming Language Theory, and I have gone through Software Foundations book 1 and Rudin's Analysis book (w/ some measure theory from Tao but no Probability background yet) this is all self-studied btw, so I might have some spotty foundations.

>>12699713
>spend $1500 for a quarter just to learn about sorting algorithms in C++
I'm a poorfag so I have free college but damn college is such a scam. If CS degrees weren't pretty much required to get a decent job then I'd just self learn.

>>12700579
Internship is more important than being an elite coder. A brainlet coder with an internship is worth more to a company than master coder with only a degree.

>>12703964
Fuck my life

>>12703935
NL=P

>>12703954
You can get a coding job with any degree. Go learn something stimulating

>>12703580
>It's not clear to me why you would study physics unless you were passionate to the extent of giving up the probability of future prospects...
The first principles mental model component of physics problem solving is what attracts me to it and I presume the bonus of doing higher-level mathematics will make me somewhat do a better job at designing new and innovative products as an engineer. If I find that engineering is not my cup of tea I could take those quantitative skills and work in the finance sector if money is the end goal in mind.

>>12702326
no

I'm trying to get into the best MBA program I can in about 10 years (aiming for at least top 15). I'm just finishing my MS right now and have a job lined up in a college town. Problem is my undergrad GPA is pretty low (2.95; graduate is 3.86). I think it would be worth it to get a second undergrad degree to at least get my GPA in the 3.0 range or maybe higher. I got sober and have turned my life around quite a bit, so I'd be confident in my ability to do well. That being said which of the following would give me the best background for an MBA? I'm listing all of the pertinent ones even though they may be meme degrees. The school I'm looking at is the state uni and these are all online degrees.

>Bachelors of Arts in Business Administration
>Bachelors of Arts in Economics
>Bachelors of Arts in Interpersonal Communication (lol)

anons, should I tell the prof that I want that internship bc my mum has a specific disease and thus I want to work on that in their lab? well it is the truth but it sounds so cheesy to write in the e-mail desu.

>>12705924
I wouldn't say it was cheesy, rather it indicates dedication.

>>12706162
>it indicates dedication
yeah that does make sense, anon. i don't have anything to lose anyway, none of them accepted the application thus far.

Just graduated from college with a math degree, top college, top honors, blah blah blah.

Wasn't able to find a job, so I started a master's in CS. Don't really like it that much, what I really wanted to do with my life was be a professor, but I was too much of a pussy to apply to PhD programs.

I have two options before me now. I either apply to a Master's in Teaching and teach high school for a few years. This leaves open the possibility of my going back to grad school, but it delays it by several years and just in general makes it harder for me to go back.

OR, I apply to bullshit data analyst jobs and try to get a job without having to finish the CS masters. And if I can't get a job, just stay in the masters. Leaves open the grad school avenue better than working as a teacher does, since it's less of a commitment to work in some bullshit job for a few years than starting a new master's. However, I run the risk of not being able to get a job and having to finish the CS masters, which is not what I want to do.

What should I do?

I'm planning on going back to school for a PhD in controls engineering. Good idea or bad idea? All the professors I've met seem to have tons of projects with industry funding and stuff, so I should have decent career prospects at the end of it, right?

>>12699945
keep strong bro. It will always work out no matter what happens

>>12702258
If you had to choose one, I'd advise doing the MechE degree while trying to do research in a lab oriented towards basic physics, and maybe intern in industry for a summer or two. This will cover your bases: engineering is a lot more employable than physics if you decide to go into industry, but you still get to try out research if you want to go into academia.

>>12702605
Bioinformatics is applicable and thus employable, the more theoretical end of biomath is theoretical and thus less (very less) employable

>>12704872
No one here will know anything about MBAs. Try calling places you want to go to and asking them, or someone else that might know.

>>12705924
Are you an undergraduate applying for internships? Don't word the email like you have done-so here. Speak to your fascination with the specific details of the internship given your personal experience with the disease in your family and your eagerness to learn more about the lab work.

>>12702605
Don't listen to this >>12707797 idiot who clearly has no experience in math-bio. Math-bio =/= bioinformatics. "Theoretical" math-bio is just dynamical systems lol. Mathematical biology encompasses quite a large expanse of disciplines, beyond epidemiology, you have biology and ecology. If you like diseases and math, go into math-bio. It's employable in gov't (CDC + national labs), industry (many different organizations modeling transmission of viruses, spread of cancer, etc.), and academia (dedicated math-bio PhDs are cropping up all over the country/world, e.g. UCLA, NCSU, Duke, Yale, Oxford, etc. - COVID will only make people take it more seriously). Don't bother with bioinformatics since bio-math seems more up your alley and the two are VERY different. Not to mention, a quantitative background is very desirable in the life sciences, e.g. general biomedical sciences, even if math-bio doesn't end up being your forte.

>are there certain areas that are usually much more employable?
My research interests are the spread and control of infectious diseases, so this is the context for the above perspective. Math-bio is a very large field. Any system that can be analyzed mathematically most likely is in some capacity and there is demand for it.

t. math-bio phd student

>>12706872
Going back to student life for a PhD after working will be brutal. Zero disposable income will be tough. With a degree in CS you will be guaranteed to get a job. Some times you just have to slog it through.

Math grad here, what programming languages are good if I want to get into data?

>>12699713
Between a masters degree in micro bio and medical genetics what would you guys recommend?

>>12699713

Hey guy I wanted to ask this question since I think you guys will understand better than anyone else. The truth is that I am so fucking clueless on what I want to do in community college.

It wasn't that long ago that I decided to pick Computer Science as a major but there is something in me that is telling me otherwise. I keep asking myself this question because I want to be absolutely certain that this is the choice I'm going to make. Especially in this post-coof economy that we live in. I don't even know much about CS other than I will just be a code-monkey.

Everyday my internal discussions always end the same that I have no idea what to do. I've been dealing with this problem for months already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmW2tZP2kU
this video summarizes what I truly want to do

>pic not related

>After cold calling for weeks I got my first freelance job as a PE

Wish me luck bros

>>12707119
Don’t get a PhD unless you already have a job lined up. You are literally going to price yourself out of the market.

>>12710942
Congrats, anon!

>>12708914
Lol see you when it come time to get a job bro

>>12708914
Oh wait your a fucking American ofc it's easy for you to find a job you fucking moron

fuck you

Bamp

>>12712009
Already have one lined up but okay
>>12712015
Uhh... okay?

>>12699713
>Bumperiono

>>12699713
I majored in engineering but I am really interested in the ethical aspect of it. Do I have to go on and get a law or political science degree if I want to work in that area? Is there such a thing?

>>12707797
>>12708914
Cool, thank you both. I will look at both, but I'm glad to know that math-bio isn't excluded to the corners of academia. I will press on then

Can anyone predict what sort of future jobs will there be in 5-10 years time? Also, what skills and knowledge would be required to fill these jobs.

Is CS the best degree for entrepreneur minded individuals who want innovate new products?

>>12713548
Just don't post in one of these threads ever again ok?

>>12699713

>>12716328
I suspect having related image in the OP is important for getting thread interaction

>>12715597
no u

>>12708914
What electives did you take and/or do you recommend for someone looking to go your route?

>>12717862
Familiar with programming languages is a big plus. Theoretical ecology (modeling populations/spatial systems) try R or even C++, most of the bio-related stuff I do now is MATLAB and occasionally Python. More particular applications focusing on agent-based models use NetLogo. Some familiarity with all of them would make you a strong and versatile researcher.

Lots of math. Intimate familiarity with dynamical systems at the graduate level. Some other areas that are worth knowing include statistics, random processes, lin alg (of course), etc.

I didn't do much bio, if at all, when I was an undergrad but got into my top pick with a lot of math and research. The research part is critical imo, since there are still few dedicated biomath programs, having some research under your belt is especially important. Look into REUs for math-bio/theoretical bio/math modeling ASAP.

If you're actually serious and not memeing, invest in either Anderson and May's Infectious Diseases of Humans or Murray's Mathematical Biology. These are, respectively, the Old and New Testament of mathematical biology.

>32
>employed for 10 years as office clerk
>currently enrolled in CS program for second degree
>work 40 hrs at job then another 20-40 for school.
I want to quit to focus on my last year of study and build up personal projects but am afraid leaving the job will hurt my chances at getting another one. Also I am concerned about being a boomer entry level programmer at 33/34.

>>12714579
>Can anyone predict what sort of future jobs will there be in 5-10 years time?
Not realistically, though someone might guess it by chance. For all we know we might end up all on basic pay with bots doing all the work.

>>12708472
tnx for the rec, anon. i'll try to send the other e-mails according to that. so far it's like ~50/0 lol. fuck me already, anons.

Should I switch to mathematics? The problem is I am almost 22 years old and I only have 3 semesters left. But CS is a meme in our country (lacks rigor), and we are always doing group projects with 6-7 subjects per sem (I'm at a third-world shithole that's why I can't pick my schedule). I can't take it anymore since I'm not learning anything at all, I've reached the stage where I know more than the professors here.

Yet despite falling for the sunken-cost fallacy, I am compelled to stay and grind it out. Since the number of subjects that I'll be credited with is at most 4. I also don't want to take Calculus since I've already self-studied real analysis from Rudin.

>>12719106
Would you rather be an office clerk in 5 years or a getting to intermediate level programmer?

>>12706872
>do with my life was be a professor, but I was too much of a pussy to apply to PhD programs.
phd is always the only option for this. and cs is code monkeys who think they are white collars.

>>12714579
>Can anyone predict what sort of future jobs will there be in 5-10 years time?
the same as today

Cs is for being a coder while thinking you are an engineer.

If I want to work in the space industry, what can I do with a Math/CS undergrad? Suppose that if I go to grad school, what should I study? I am interested in the math involved in spaceflight and also a little bit of programming. But, I do not know which field I should focus on. Astrophysics? Astronomy? Physics? Any advice would be appreciated.

>>12720354
Control algorithms

>>12719978
Internships are very competitive, so the success rate being low is expected (especially if you aren't a great applicant). Continue applying and don't hold the belief that you are above a certain position/internship. Getting the first one is difficult, but upon having that experience, future internships are increasingly less difficult to obtain.

>>12719978
Side note: It seems that you might be ESL or simply, not great at writing. If this is the case, I suggest getting help with the process of writing your cover letters. Again, this is based on two brief 4ch replies, so I could easily be incorrect.

>>12712015
You are 100% right. Americans are completely delusional about the benefits of having a green card/citizenship lol. Fuck meritocracy what actually matters is citizenship/localization. A mediocre/average american has way better opportunities than a good (not genius ) yuro/pajeet student.


>>12720040
Dude I'm similar to you (although I'm a senior), as in I hate my third world shithole uni. If I could go back, I would get the most amount of credits possible per semester and gtfo asap. I really recommend you. Fuck rigour autism, If you want it sutdy in summers/winters. Getting out to an actual non-subhuman country is the best thing you could do to grow intellectual. There you go full austimo (if you want) in academics.

>>12710793
I’m in the same boat only doing CS because it pay wells and I don’t mind math

>>12719106
>works full time and also a full time student
Lol your life sucks

>>12718810
Awesome, thanks. Do you think doing more bio than you did in undergrad would have helped at all, or do you think those credits are better served in an additional related math elective?

I'll take a look at REU opportunities, but I know the deadline for many is around this time, usually the 15th. I'll see what's still available. Any tips for applying to these programs?

>>12720789
Nvm about the deadlines, I thought I heard that somewhere, but I just looked some up and that's not the case at all

>>12720354
Maybe math modelling or something embedded

>>12702326
Yes. Look at sr leadership at some big pharma companies; 2/3 did a bachelors and then just grew up in the company. Also a lot of the Drs, if you stalk their LinkedIn, clearly did their PhD at the company after 5-8 years of work.

>>12710285
Python, R, learn some Bash too.

Computer Engineering grads
CE > CET right?

what do you guys think of electronics engineering

>>12725364
it's the new meme

people got tired of CS
i dont get it though because the same thing is happening with CE and EE

>>12725368
well i'm not that interested in computer science or power systems so i thought electronics eng was a good idea. it's worth noting i'm from a third world shithole though so i wanna get out of here. embedded, firmware and stuff like that sound fun but maybe solid state physics has better chances? i plan doing a phd in the us, europe or east asia anyway since it's impossible to get a job abroad with undergrad alone.

>>12725409
also is ee harder than elec engineering?
i kinda want to study something challenging too but thats not completely useless (so not pure math)

>>12725290

>>12725639
Where does writing embedded firmware or something involving hardware programming, even FPGA fall? Seems to be development.

>>12725659
CE

CETs are glorified tester monkeys

>>12725777
but fpga isn't pure research or complex analysis

>>12725085
Interesting. Do you think that is largely a product of nepotism? I am still an undergraduate, (no experience industry) but I can't envision precisely how that occurs. If I am an entry level worker in a relatively low skilled position, how does my mundane work get rewarded with industry-PhD funding or progression in the company?

>>12720203
Good point. Thanks.

>graduated May 2020 with a bachelor's in Aerospace Engineering
>graduated magna cum laude; 3.9+ GPA
>had research experience, an internship, relevant extracurriculars
>even got a computational science certificate to make myself a better candidate
>couldn't get a job for the life of me
>stuck in a law office writing useless patents and working long hours to make a meager salary; hate it
>been applying to engineering jobs recently
>can't even get a fucking interview
>applied to grad school for master degree programs; probably didn't get in as I haven't heard back by now

What the fuck /sci/? Why the fuck did I waste my teenage years studying so hard? Why did I spend long hours in the library and the lab when all I do now is type Word documents about other people's inventions? What can I even do to get a job that doesn't make me want to off myself everyday? What is the fucking point of it all???

>>12725777
>>12725639
you are both wrong
as long as its ABET accredited CET is fine.

>>12726023
next time just do mechE instead of some ultra specialized shit my dude

>>12726290
I'll be sure to remember that in my next life

oh wait, I'm majoring in CS in my next life so I can actually have a job.

>>12726357
>oh wait, I'm majoring in CS in my next life so I can actually have a job.
b8 or retard?

>>12726023
degrees have no value in atheist democracy, since the bureaucrats said everybody should have a degree

>>12699713
Why do so many people on /sci/ with math degrees have such a hard time finding employment? Are you just looking in really narrow fields or something?

>>12720599
>>12720579
tnx for the replies, fren. i'll try to get help from someone.

>>12726604
at least where i'm from, math degrees are seen as non-specialist degrees so employers don't value it.

I want to work with artificial organs and neuroscience one day. I don't have money for a degree. Any jobs anyone recommends that I can work that might also teach me about the tools used further up?
Seems like a trades apprenticeship can bring in money but introduces quite a detour.
Thank you.

>>12726023
Learn HVAC and start studying for the mechanical PE. Apply to some small design firms or even contractor shops (fire safety systems always need new blood).

Or, try for a field service gig if you don’t mind not having a social life. Fieldcore or the oil n gas industry.

You can get an engineering job that has progression, you aren’t going to get an AE job like you thought.

>>12730125
It likely will not happen without a specialized degree. What country are you in and how old are you? If you're still in high school perhaps you can overcome the financial barrier by performing exceptionally and earning scholarships to cover tuition? Otherwise, perhaps living frugally, attending a community college, performing exceptionally, transferring to a proper school, and go from there? I suspect the latter is more-so an American route.

I start university doing CS but I haven’t had to code or use any maths in the last 4 years

How fucked am I? And should I quit my job to study hardcore before September? I’m serious I have savings ready

>>12730176
Thank you for the reply. I'm a 21 year old American. Did well in community college Gen Chemistry 1 and 2 and calc 1. but dropped out after 3 years of a non stem degree with little prospects (which I had used my scholarship for).

I will need a job regardless of what scholarships I can get in the future. I see some lab tech positions that don't require a degree, but am curious if any of you can think of any other low level stuff that could give me both experience in the field and enough to save for Uni. I'd be happy to get say half a year of education for the 'support while in uni' job.

>>12730243
dont bother, plenty of people start CS degrees with zero experience

>>12730243
Pick another major and learn coding just a tool to improve your work in other aspects of your life. I'm really serious.

>>12730173
How do I start learning HVAC

>>12730243
>>12730474
Yeah I have a friend who works CS security and he always bitches about the math he had to learn he never uses. Couldn't hurt to do some small coding projects to warm up to it though.

>>12730658
>>>/diy/2012328
I think a guy posted a bit about it in here. Lots of tradies in /DIY/ you could ask in an appropriate thread. Wouldn't hurt to call up a community college or HVAC company and say "hey I want to work for you what training do I need" though.

>>12730684
so does this use my engineering degree at all or did I drop 40k for nothing

>>12730695
>>12730684
nvm you're telling to me go into a trade. I don't want to be a manual laborer, I want to be an engineer.

>>12730726
>not knowing that you are just meat to be grind by corporate bullshit
Sweet summer child.

>>12730406
>I'd be happy to get say half a year of education for the 'support while in uni' job.
I don't know what that means, but getting a lab tech job would be a great start! Do the lab tech jobs that don't require a degree instead require some sort of diploma (like a 'lab technician' program which a vocational school would offer)? Either way, it sounds like a good opportunity for you. If it requires the diploma, those are are typically cheaper and take much less time than an undergraduate degree. Perhaps that could be used to save a little bit of money, and then if you pursue a BSc. you will be in a better position to network within the university ecosystem (working with professors, applying for internships, etc).
Best of luck and don't give up.

>>12730695
IDK LOL I'm the retard above who's looking for jobs suggestions.

I'd suggest contacting your Uni and asking them to look over your resume / talking with your old profs / classmates / alumnus network. Your Uni likely wants you to get a good job since unemployed grads reflect badly on them, and so they often provide these resources. Give me your Uni name and I'll see if I can find resources.
Do you tend to piss people off when you work with them? Seems to me that many places will hire interns they liked. Have you tried the place you interned at? Do you have a 'bad' online presence?

>>12730793
Thanks a bunch brother! I could def. grind out an associates' degree in a semester and that would likely open doors in more scientific fields, while not taking me away from my main path. I really appreciate your words. I'll remember them, and I wish you the very best.

Is it worth it getting a PhD from a low ranked university?

I got accepted for CS PhD at a low ranked university and my other applications for better schools got (or will be) rejected.
I know about the "rank doesn't matter for grad school" argument, but it still feels bad since my undergrad school is decently ranked.
Will a PhD from a low ranked school kill my career prospect?

>>12731193
I am also wondering this. Currently at a low ranked university for undergrad, how awful are my prospects if my MSc or PhD comes from another low ranked school?

Bump

Tell someone who just picked Robotics as degree how hard I fucked myself.

>>12731193
>>12731323
Topic is way more important.

People are picking PhD level staff based on expertise.

>>12732943
Pretty low on the fundamentals

Are there any skills an Electrical Engineer intern should have other than basic social skills?

Where the fuck do you even find internships as an undergrad 2-3rd year?

>>12732943
I've heard very good things about it $$$ wise but do research.

im applying to summer research internships
>Please note that the statement of purpose is one of the most important parts of your application. Successful applicants demonstrate a general understanding of research conducted [...]
do they really mean that? i have no fuckin clue what im looking at here

is working at a factory as a stemoid comfy?

>>12699713
Hey biz
I work for an startup and my team is looking for:
Backend Software Engineer
Ethereum + web3 Software Engineer
Chief Security Engineer
Full Stack Software Engineer
Front End Software Engineer

If we hire someone you referred, you get a bounty
https://talent.reserve.org/r/227

Who here /biotech/?

>>12734495
>Hey biz

>>12734289
Harness an understanding of the type of research you're applying to partake in and identify components of that research that are interesting to you. Internships aren't so-much a thing in my country, but I imagine such a question is designed to separate the applicants who are actually ambitious and interested versus the applicants who are going through the motions. Would you rather hire an applicant who doesn't really care but wants something on their resume, or a student who can clearly articulate their excitement for the position?

>>12734449
I worked at a chemical plant for a while, it's probably at least a little bit similar. It was comfy when things were going relatively smoothly, but it's a 24/7 operation and shit always goes wrong at the worst times and you'll be expected to bust your ass to fix it. You're also going to be thrown into a work environment with a bunch of salty blue collar guys who have been working at that factory for 30 years and they're going to be very suspicious of you as a fresh young college graduate smartass who gets to tell them how to do their jobs. Learning to get along with rednecks is probably going to be an absolutely crucial skill. Also, please take safety seriously.

>>12731193
I think it depends both on where you do it and your own skills/publications more than anything. I'm getting my PhD from a low ranked uni simply because my contract was with a national lab and they pay me more than the top 20 universities were offering (yeah yeah ideals, but I needed money to support my family too). One the one hand I still have anxiety and regret that I'm not going to be offered the best job I could've gotten if I had went to a better university like the opportunities provided to MIT grads etc. On the other hand I've already been made a dream job informal offer for a local company that builds space components for the ESA. I've also made connections at top tier unis like CMU, Stanford and KU Leuven for potential postdocs, but this was through other postgrads there contacting me after reading my work. Take my story with a grain of salt in general, my adviser is a god in the field and has an amazing network. I don't think I'm special or that my application to a top 20 school stood a chance, but as objective criteria goes I've already published a lot of high impact papers while many of my peers haven't even gotten their first conference proceeding. I say this to warn you because I secretly think my collegiates are pretty fucked and I strongly doubt they will get a good job after their funding dries up. If your adviser doesn't push you hard then push yourself. You _need_ that Nature paper to survive if you come from shit uni.

Also. Do you want to figure out if a department, research group or adviser is any good? E-stalk the graduates and see where they are hired. In my opinion that is more important than anything. Some research groups at top schools are dogshit and their people are underemployed after.

>>12730658
There are multiple design manuals you can follow and learn the basics. If you have a solid grasp of heat transfer and thermodynamics (protip: you should), start with pic related. If you can build a radiant time series calculation sheet in excel for N number of surfaces, you are already %70 there. The rest is selecting equipment and haggling with the county on what your construction drawings look like.

A ductilator and a psychrometric chart will get you pretty damn far.

>>12734449
If you are good at troubleshooting, it’s top tier comfy. I spend most of my time walking around, drinking coffee, and listening to the pleasant hum of machinery. Like another anon said, when shit breaks you better be on point, but if you do your job right, shit rarely breaks.

What career could help me do the most for humanity?

I want to be a pilot and am about to go to college for a physics degree. Not totally sure if that’s the most helpful thing I could do though. Any ideas?

>>12734928
go math/CS and solve P=NP, would probably have the most impact

>>12734680
>you just have to publish a Nature paper
I'm not sure this makes me feel better but thanks for the advice, anon

>>12734928
law

>>12720705
Do you have any advice or words to say, cause im a rocky boat right now

>>12732943
Looks kinda like a field engineer/customer service profile

>>12735057
I mean not like Nature Nuture, but something that has a chance of ending up there. The important thing is that people actually read your work. PhD is a very risky career move though, that's why you have to work so hard. Godspeed.

>>12731323
>>12731193
>>12732945
for the phd, what matters is the phd thesis, the member of the jury and the supervisor. The unvieristy is important only for the money they give to go to conferences and the conferences they host.

>>12734928
>>I want to be a pilot and am about to go to college for a physics degree.
If you want to be a pilot, you pay to go to an ab initio school, not to uni doing nothing related to piloting

>>12725927
Nepotism? Not sure I'd use that word but different pharma companies have different cultures. J&J has a culture of promoting 'lifers' and rewards those who cut their teeth there. Takeda, AstraZeneca are sort of middle ground; lots of people seem to put in a 5-7 year initial stint. Roche is a good example of the opposite, sort of mercenary company expecting people to shift back and forth between employers as they climb the ladder. The pathway for funded PhDs is basically join a functional research unit, progress to a couple of rungs below principal scientist, then suggest you would benefit from a PhD and cash in.

If you don't want to do clinical/functional research it is even easier. Just get into the dept you want and grind. Whether that's sales, strategy, or supply chain, there is a premium on people with a BSc/MSc that have the ability to engage with some of the technical material easily. Your degree quickly stops mattering so much as you start working.

>>12737095
The supervisor and the university are not entirely unrelated though. Supervisors from top schools tend to publish in better venues than those from low ranked schools, and have better connections.

Which option is better for entry-level

Option 1
>50k
>small private firm
>very good title
>will probably make new connections
>in a violent city/across the county from qt gf

Option 2
>30k
>state agency
>title used for generalists in our field
>will probably pay for PhD at same uni I did my masters
>nice little town and gf will be a short drive away (~1 hour)

I also work part time for option 2. They’re good people.

>>12737169
option 1

>>12699713
anybody have advice/experience on getting a career in programming without going to college?

>>12737169
If you want the NPC dream of a ''''''''''''''''career'''''''''''', then option 1

if you want to stay comfy and do what you want outside of work, be or stay with the public servants


Since you think having a gf is good, you probably want option 1. A girl will find other orbiters if you cant provide for and entertain her

>>12737169
Option 1. What does your gf do? Is she a professional with an established career, or is her moving with you an option? Do NOT make a decision based upon a girl. If you hypothetically broke up shortly after going with option 2, how much regret would you have of not pursuing option 1?
>will probably pay for PhD at same uni I did my masters
Who on earth pays for a PhD?

>>12726023
There's a lot of demand in defense work, you should be able to find a job there, unless you're not american or don't qualify for a clearance for other reasons, in which case, uh, good luck

>>12737169
how long u been with your gf

What are some good job prospects for a graduate in materials science and engineering?

should i worry about sounding like a tool in my research internship essays or are they looking for that

>>12734928
Study mechanical engineering or something that is easy to moonlight as since piloting isn't a stable career.

>>12737749
>Who on earth pays for a PhD?
No like work has a policy of tuition reimbursement so I’d be getting 30-35k to do my PhD

>>12737846
Over a year. No real issues ever.

>>12737709
>>12737665
I should mention that the take home pay will be closer than you’d think. Option 1 is in a higher tax state and rent would be higher, plus I’d have to move and fly to gf. Plus long distance sucks.

>>12738697
Is that what people mean when they mention an industry funded PhD? They receive a stipend from the university ontop of a salary from their employer? Or are you referring to a program in which there is no university funded stipend and instead your employer gives you a 'stipend'?

>>12738752
>Or are you referring to a program in which there is no university funded stipend and instead your employer gives you a 'stipend'?

This is how i see it done most of the time. if the research is good, the university might kick you some dough.

Does adding physics to an engineering degree would reap a significant ROI?

What attracts me the most about physics is not really much about the material but how it trains the student to solve problems under constraints and can make one highly creative and analytical from deriving GR from tensors and Riemann geometry. As opposed to Eng where it becomes granular as opposed to the bigger picture.

Thinking in relation to physics makes you boil down the truth to its bare essentials and find loopholes never before explored. This is the technique Elon Musk depends on to create necessary breakthroughs. However, studying physics solely for its thinking process does make me feel uncertain about job prospects.

>>12738810
>>12738752
I’d be working full time and doing a PhD on the side. Tuition would be paid for by work. Presumably I’d just be building on my masters thesis.

>>12738844
if you are going to get a double major as an engineer, do math or business. if you want electives that are going to serve you, math or business.

but for real, don't branch too far out in undergrad. its better to knock out some masters classes with that time.

>>12738844
Do business

>>12738983
So,

Engineering undergrad + mba >
Engineering double degree.

>>12739210
Depending on what you want to do, yeah.

>Management and Strategic decisions
Engineering undergrad + MBA

>Tech wizard principle engineer
Engineering masters with math heavy electives

grab your PE sometime.

>>12739210
I want to do an MBA myself, but I’m a geologist. From what I’ve read, they still prefer you to have experience with business/finance. You could either get this through working or just double major/both.

Is mechatronics a meme major? Would I be better off doing electrical and cs

got a slight chance of doing a PhD in the Netherlands. Has anyone ever lived/studied there? What is it like? Can you get by on a PhD student's wage (~2,3k euros)?

>>12741669
the universities are nice. It's kind of expensive but it's okay if you have a fat stipend.

>>12699713
not sure how to go forwards in my carrer:
>B.Eng. in mechanical engineering
>soon M.Sc. in engineering physics

i have an easy time getting into the subjects i study. when i was taking more engineering typical courses i loved tweaking knobs and sliders in programs optimizing stuff. when i was doing meteorology i loved diving into mathematically explaining data and drawing conclusions from it (also loved the coding in matlab and python i did). atm studying fluiddynamics and machine learning, love it.

my problem is: i have to find something i specialize on that i earn money with (probably for the rest of my life). i like everything equally so it is hard to decide on one of these three 'branches' (engineering, physics, data science) to write my thesis on. help me decide.

also: im not really sure yet if i want to join the workforce after my masters degree or if i go for a carrer in academia. any pros/cons?

Is there a point in doing a computer science masters after doing a maths bachelors? I'm due to graduate and I'm looking at courses nearby and they all seem like a waste of money since their modules are algorithms, data structures, Web development etc. All seem very easy to teach myself.

What's the benefit of doing a cs master program like the one I listed above? I want to work in software development.

>>12742116
>I want to work in software development.

then dont do a cs major. stick with math

>>12742116
If I decide not to pursue masters in Cs, I'll teach myself the standard curriculum and work at retail until I get a job in software.

I have to decide what degree in the next month and they added this course recently. Seems interesting, it just seems memey, like they looked up "STEM buzzwords" and copypasted it in the description.

and they haven't released the course structure yet, so i prob won't know the exact classes until i confirmed my place.

>>12743056
Spending a full year on semi-conductors would be pretty cool

what the fuck is a resume supposed to look like? Seems like every example I look at is different. My brother is in a shitty cubicle job and told me to put shit like "TEAM PLAYER" and "GOOD WORK ETHIC"

Is this neanderthal brain thinking for resumes in the STEM field or am I just room temp IQ

also in USA if that matters

>>12744229
Make it on one page. Don't put a photo in it. Just put past work experience related to the job you are applying for. The same applies to the general skills. That's about. Bonus points for including languages you can speak and other software you can use here and there.

>>12744249
is 2 pages okay if I have a lot of different lab experiences? Also what general skills should I put? What exactly is a general skill, if you could give examples. Is it like "time management" or what? sorry in advance for being super autismo about this, nobody ever taught me this shit

>>12744260
No need to apologize, man. Everyone is full autismo or makes mistakes the first time they have to deal with that. What I meant by general skills is stuff like "great management", " superb communication and presentation". Don't extend to much on it, put it as part of your summary and that's. And how many labs are we talking about? You only need to put those related to the one you are applying for and be concise, don't make a long paragraph to say that you were just passing stuff around; and quantify your work.

>>12744260
For resumes (not academic CV which can be many pages), you get one page per 10 years of relevant work experience. Look up resume examples from the career center wherever you are

>>12699993
Explain Agile. What is it for and how does it help? Does doing it suck? What's business analysis work like? Rating/10?

I got accepted to do a PhD at a top 10 school for chemical engineering. Good idea or bad idea?

>Moving on to the second round interview with the lead of the engineering group for a defense company
How much different would it be from the first interview with one of the lower level guys? This is for something entry-level btw.

>>12742116
>Is there a point in doing a computer science masters after doing a maths bachelors?
yes you can be the blue collar of 2021

>>12743056
it's okay if you like applied physics

>>12744538
Why do you want a PhD?

>>12737939
If this is applicable to semiconductor labs and fabs you should have good chances with the semiconductor industry. Their R and D budgets are measured in billions of dollars.

>>12742116
You don't need a CS degree to do "software development" aka being a code monkey. If you meant that you want to be a software engineer, then you should look for masters program with that name.

>>12746096
Sadly the software engineering masters at the same university is even more for code monkeys, teaching devops and Web development :(

>>12741998
Honestly, academia is a very tough area to follow and I would take any chance to avoid it. The more marketable skills you have, the better.

>>12746218
so get a job after my masters or should i stay for a doctorate and then gtfo of academia?

>>12746231
I would go for a job, but if a PhD would also be professionally advantageous to you and you have a stipend/good funding then I think it would be worth it.

how do you tell if you're:

>burnt out
>in the wrong field entirely
>stuck in a "grass is greener on the other side" mindset and if you jump to another field you might hate it even more
>depressed

I had such high goals and was so motivated in undergrad (naive) and now I'm in gradschool wanting to just leave and work as a janitor. All my colleagues say I do amazing work and that I have a bright future, but I feel like I'm not doing anything meaningful or even remotely interesting.

All other fields I'm interested in are as laughable as a freshman saying they want to become a marine biologist.

Anyone go through something like this?

>>12744287
>>12744299

Thank you so much. This makes a whole lot more sense. I'm pretty sure my last resume was too sperg and overflowing with spaghetti now that I know this.

>>12746552
You are welcome, lad. Everyone pass through this, my first one was full of spaghetti too. Good luck, anon!

>>12744229
Spend the $100 to get one made

How do I get over my feelings of failure because I didn't, and probably will never, become a mathematician.

>>12746537
yes, i went through the same every god damn semester. was studying mechanical engineering, had usually like 1 or 2 out of 8 modules per semester that sparked my interest. everything else was draining.

after finishing my bachelors i switched subjects from mechanical engineering to a masters physics studyprogram. it is literally the same now. when i was in mechanical engineering, i loved everything physics and math related and practical stuff annoyed me. now im literally doing only physics and math and i wish i could learn some practical stuff and apply the shit i learn.

try to get through it. find something that eases your mind and reliefs the stress. i started playing piano recently and when im sitting in front of it, learning how to play it the hours pass by so quickly. it helps me forget the shit from university and replenishes my energy to keep studying

>>12706162
>>12708472
>>12720579
>>12720599
A-anons I think I have something... A prof. said that he wants to talk via zoom next week. Idk what to do, my fellow anons. WTF IS HE GONNA TALK ABOUT FFS??! It's the first non-rejection e-mail i had (~80/1), i don't want to lose the opportunity.

>>12747373
He's giving you a cease and desist letter. His lawyer was busy.

>>12747031
what would you consider a mathematician and how have you failed to become one?

>>12747080
Thanks. This helped out a lot. Only so many hours in a day but I can definitely make time for stuff like that. Good luck on your piano and your studies anon. We're gonna make it.

>>12747373
I think interviews with professors are easy. He's probably really into his work and loves talking about it, maybe he'll have a powerpoint or something to go over with you. Make sure you do some talking too, though. Practice introducing yourself and your relevant background experience or whatever in like 30 seconds to a minute. If you can introduce yourself and sound competent and prepared then you're already like 90% of the way there.

Then explain why you're interested in his work. Ask what projects he has going on currently or coming soon and how you could contribute to them. Do some prep work and have a few questions ready to go. You should spend a little time asking non-technical stuff too. I guess it's not as important for a short internship, but for job interviews you really need to make sure you're not just convincing them to hire you but also getting a sense of if you'll like working there and if you like the people you'll work with.

Make sure at the end you remember to ask for a clear explanation of what the next step is in the hiring process and when you can expect to hear back. Ask him to send you some papers or presentations or whatever. Send a thank you email the next day.

>>12747373
you 100% need to prepare work-related questions, and they can't be questions that are answered simply by looking at his research page.
skim the most recent 3-5 papers that he's put out, and be aware of any famous results that he might have. you need to at least come up with a question that comes from the paper to show that you've invested time into this conversation, which gives him a reason to expect that you would be invested in the work with his lab.
otherwise, >>12747536 gives good advice. if there's past experience that you have that you think relates to his lab, make sure to figure out how to bring that up and tie it together.

FUCKKKK!!!!!!!!!

I majored in physics. "Elite" college, top 30. I see all of my pure science/math STEM friends going into jobs in: Investment banking, consulting, data analysis, data science.

I can't get any of those fucking jobs despite having a near perfect GPA. All because I never did an internship. I didn't even know what the fuck an internship was when I went to college. My parents are boomers and never did any internships themselves. I tutored math over the summers instead.

So, I'm fucked without internships and should just get a teaching master's to teach high school, right? Or is there any kind of hope?

>>12747778
you could get an mba
but do you really want to be a corpo drone?

>>12747778
why not do an internship now? internships are there to look into a job, companies dont employ interns because of their skills but as a future investment.

go do a internship in the field that interests you the most and if you still like it afterwards apply for jobs in that field.

>>12747934
Not him, but I see a lot of internships with the requirement of being a student

>>12747778
>>12747904
Is teaching high school better than being a corpo drone?

Playing with excel spreadsheets vs. explaining trivial algebra to braindead morons?

>>12747778
Physics is such a trap degree for nerds.

>>12702326
Classic /sci/. Two responces to this guy with opposite answers. You should be asking someone better than random people on the interet

>>12710942
Congrats and good luck!

We are all going to make it.

>>12747373
Awesome, anon! I'm proud of you. The other anons have given you good advice. Simply prepare for the interview by reviewing the prof's work, practicing presenting yourself AND your interests (Specifically how they are relevant to his work), and prepare questions that indicate you are genuinely enthusiastic about his research. Best of luck!

>>12748097
At least the second guy gave a detailed reply with support for his assertion. I am not sure counting the zero effort "no" reply as an equivalent counter to the other anon's reply is reasonable.

>>12735278
not him but I was going through a similar rough patch with depression anxiety a bit ago. Theres no easy way besides figuring out the type of person you are. I can easy tell you to do a trade but you might not be the right type, same for whatever field anyone can suggest. Just think of it like this, what skill would you want to hone thats important to people and contributes to society in some manner and also makes decent money. Find a skill/ major that has that where you're interested in it and can see yourself doing that for life and get to work immediately. Dont overthink it, just make sure its worth your time and you enjoy it on some level, doesnt have to be perfect just make sure it qualifies and then do it. finding out what you want to do is a really personal thing only you can figure out, but at a certain point you have to get off your ass and just do SOMETHING, even if its the wrong thing then dont fucking worry about it you'll know when it is and you'll have time to switch.

any anons in geosciences? Im really motivated on taking geology soon, how do you guys like it?

>>12734058
everything in /diy/ohm

I'm a chemist with a BS and almost 3 years experience in industry. The money is alright, but I fucking hate it. Is going back to school for ChemE worth it at this point or should I just treat my experience like a pile of liberal arts shit and try finding a no-name office job?

>>12737169
Career-wise? Option 1 all the way.
For the other two thirds of your day-to-day life? Option 2.
You can't put a price on being happy in a simple place. I really wish someone would've told me that before I moved over 300 miles from my friends and family for work. The job wasn't even that great compared to another offer I had on the table, and it prevented me from going into a long-term situation with the woman I was seeing at the time.

>>12747536
>>12747639
>>12748265
I cannot thank you enough, anons. I'll start to work on that. I really appreciate the advices!

>>12741669
free tuition at most 200km away

ML research engineer or comp neuro PhD what should I do.

>>12738844
i did a bachelors in mechanical engineering and switched to engineering physics for my masters. it is exactly how you describe it, "boil down the truth to its bare essentials and find loopholes never before explored" while focussing on the application.

best decision of my life

>>12740666
yes it is. you would be better off doing mechanical or electrical engineering, depending on what insteasts you the most

>>12748994
yes you will live like a king with 2.3k euros. currently doing my masters in germany living on 300 euros a month due to pandemic

>>12749264
>living on 300 euros
anon, wtf do you eat?

>>12748320
Yes what do you want to know. I’m a graduate student with a job lined up.

>>12749340
not OP but I was wondering if being a chemist will open doors for me to work in something related to geosciences. I've always been interested and was wondering what types of jobs are there and how tough does the job market seem. I'm also wondering what skills or knowledge is required to get into this field without actually majoring in it.

Also if you dont mind me asking, what's your research on? Geosciences have always been fascinating to me

I am a mech eng student, graduating this spring. I've been applying to jobs on and off since January. I've only had two interviews that went nowhere and some rejection emails. I worked at an engineering firm a couple summers ago, but I didn't do any engineering, I was basically the shop bitch, doing odd jobs that had nothing to do with engineering. Other than this I have no relevant experience, and my GPA is like 2.75 ish. I look through linkedin and it seems like all my colleagues have jobs. Every job wants prior experience/internships, and internships want you to be a student. What the fuck am I doing wrong, I wanna kms. Canacuck btw

>>12750015
Closest you’d be able to get with a chem degree is Environmental Scientist or petroleum scientist. Without knowing about the rock cycle and mineralogy/petrology getting a job in the area would be pretty hard. Like even geochemists are more geologists than chemist. That’s coming from a guy whose research is in geochem.

Job market isn’t too bad. I’ve gotten like 5 interviews but I’m also pretty qualified if we’re talking entry level jobs. Might work for a year and go for my PhD idk.

>>12749260
Is it because its a specialisation at an undergrad level and I wont get as much breadth as the other trad engineering majors? Also the only thing i liked about mech is the CAD aspect to it so electrical would be a better choice career wise because it would be more interrelated with cs? Thanks anon.

>Math

I should have stayed in CS.

>>12750705
Try and complete volunteer work with a professor you like doing research. Anything related to engineering on a resume would be good!

How to spot a shitter engineering grad

>only applies to jobs in his hometown so he can be close to mommy and daddy
>only applies to dream jobs at top companies even though his GPA is sub 3.5
>puts out 10 applications and thinks that’s “a lot”
>spends $20 on a dime bag of weed or Onlyfans instead of an ASHRAE or IEEE student membership
>has never set foot in any of the colleges lab/shop facilities unless it’s for a class
>slam jams 20 credits a semester so he can graduate “on time” and craters his GPA
>gets any double major besides business or math
>doesn’t apply for field positions because he’s frightened of not sitting behind a desk or being outdoors
>doesn’t have a portfolio
>starts looking for a job 2 weeks out from graduation

>>12752210
Yes, lots of undergrads are pretty clueless. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to stay in a specific location or not wanting a field engineer job or whatever. Not everyone is willing to sacrifice everything for their career, and you shouldn't look up to people who are proud about being slaves to their employer.

Undergrads should be trying to land a first job that will prepare them well for a long successful career. Field engineering with an oilfield services company that's going to make you live out of a container in the middle of a desert hellhole might be a great job for some people, but it's also a great way to burn yourself out and waste your 20s in a dusty town full of sweaty dirty men and a few sweaty dirty women who look like men.

>>12752282
>Not everyone is willing to sacrifice everything for their career

It’s not sacrificing “everything”. It’s paying dues for a couple years because you weren’t quite competitive enough to get to get that FAGMAN job straight out of college. There’s no shortage of kids in their senior year of engineering who fucked off the entire time and only spend the last 2 months of their time in school getting serious about their careers.

as a phd student, are there things I should be conscious of doing early on in my process (years 1/2 out of 6-7) to increase my job prospects?
assuming that I don't want to go into academia, which would be fairly straightforward in terms of what things I should be doing, I'm kind of at a loss for how to better use my time. of course most of my time is consumed by my research, but is trying to network/attend career fairs useful in any capacity?

for more context, I'm in physics doing work related to quantum computation, and am either looking for industry positions in that field or for wall street/investment banking shit for money.

as a phd student, are there things I should be conscious of doing early on in my process (years 1/2 out of 6-7) to increase my job prospects?
assuming that I don't want to go into academia, which would be fairly straightforward in terms of what things I should be doing, I'm kind of at a loss for how to better use my time. of course most of my time is consumed by my research, but is trying to network/attend career fairs useful in any capacity?

for more context, I'm in physics doing work related to quantum computation, and am either looking for industry positions in that field or for wall street/investment banking shit for money.

>>12747778
Get into research

Is robotics a meme field?

>>12752462
Just get internships and connections. Reach out to other people doing the jobs you'd want and ask for advice or something

>>12753390
i hope not
im studying mechanical engineering and hope to do a masters degree in robotics

>enrolled into msc because i was depressed that i gave up and my friends didn't
>lose the motivation @ second week, the program is great though
>when i try my best i get C mostly or sometimes even fail, i have to resort to cheating in order to pass or get through
>about to drop out
>perfectly know i will nag and denigrate myself for this, and the cycle of enrolling/dropping will continue
>i still somehow hold a job thanks to CS """degree"""

Should I give up altogether?

>>12750810
Im OP, I didnt want to ask much that you havent already answered just wanted to see if the job market was alright

>>12753491
It’s basically mechatronics. So based on your focus it’s pretty good.

>>12753609
nice :D

>>12753540
fuck or walk man, do your best or leave and get into something else you can do your best at

life is too short to not come correct

>>12753594
actually theres one other question I probably have. My math at the moment is very poor and very rusty, so Im self studying some math before I get back into classes. What subject of mathematics would you say is the most crucial to know?

Is it possible to go to college after fucking up high school so hard? I love math but I've always been a terrible student; When I was a sophomore in high school I self-taught calculus and got a 5 on the BC exam (only person in my shit ass school who passed too lmao) but that year I got 3 Fs and a D- in Algebra 2 (my teacher rounded up a 53 because she knew I already knew the material). I never stopped self-studying I probably have approximately equivalent knowledge to the average 4th year undergrad. If I ever decide that I want to stop wageslaving and get serious about math is there any way I can do that? If I apply to a college I'm certain to be rejected because of my high school grades and even if I got into one how am I gonna stay motivated relearning all the shit that I self-taught, I wasn't able to motivate myself to do any of the assignments in algebra 2.

god I fucking hate adhd

>>12753723
Linear Algebra

>>12753723
Linear Algebra. Can not stress that enough.

>>12748086
Only of you're a brainlet

>>12753771
Why are you posting this in multiple threads retard? I responded to you in /mg/.

>>12753875
because I want multiple answers

>>12734512
I'm considering it. What do you think of it?

>>12753875
probably thinks he's too good for community college

>>12734081
You don't

>>12752210
>portfolio
Lmfao if you do this you're a tool. Rest of it is basically good though

>>12752210
>slam jams 20 credits a semester so he can graduate “on time” and craters his GPA
Guilty as charged. What can I say? Social pressure to be done is high. If it takes longer than 4 years people think you're a failure.

>>12754329
Fuck that people. Everyone has to deal with different situations and not all can finish a degree in 45 years.

>>12753458
but is it worth doing internships while in a stem phd? I've never heard of that. I feel like it's looked down on to do anything that takes significant time away from your work

>>12699713
>>12699945

>career fair
>recruits don't care how much interest you have in the topics actually relevant to the job or how fluently you can talk about them
>just want to know whether you have any meme arduino projects
thinking about killing myself unironically

>>12699945
unironically janitormaxx

>>12753771
>>12753779
thank you friends, actually makes me happy because even though my math is ass I can easily fix my algebra, its later subjects that worried me like calculus

Any devs here who have successfully gotten into the blockchain industry as a developer/engineer?

I'm learning React and Redux right now, going to start and finish a full stack React course right after.

I was thinking of learning CSS after that but I'm considering jumping straight into learning blockchain and more specifically smart contracts so that I can get a swell job and make $$$$ in this burgeoning industry.

Anyone here that has successfully done this? Would you recommend it? If so do you have any tips regarding the best courses or learning resources to jump into smart-contracts?

Didn't post this in /sci/ because it's more about making money.

>>12754403
I guess it depends on your field, it's very common in my field. Also if you think you need it to be hirable afterwards then don't let what others think hold you back.

STEM and IQ threads should go on their own board, called Midwit or /mid/

>>12755724
Don't you have an useless theorem to prove, mathfag?

>want to apply to doctoral programs because I have no idea what I'm doing with my life
>have M.A. but can't find much of anything related to my field in my shit town
>would have to repay to retake dumb jewish GRE
>and all the application fees later this year
>can't even find research opportunities in the meantime
i complain here because i didn't feel it warranted its own thread and this looked convenient

>>12699713
At least in life sciences: People with high IQ end up in dry lab work, not necessarily with PhD

Low IQ sheep go do academic wet lab work after they graduated.

Proove me wrong.

>>12755698
are there any companies that employ many people to develop blockchain technoogies?

thought most work is still done on github

>>12702605
biological modelling is not done much nowadays. Usually labs that do that are conflated with data science and biostatistics.

I know a lab that does biological modelling. Most of their PhD students and Postdocs have a background in theoretical physics. They look down on people with a background in Biology because they think that they don't have the intellect to do proper modelling (they might have a point)

>>12748399
The guys there are monsters of experience, I only understand 1% of what they're talking about. I should go there more often though.

Is it true that the 'real result' of an engineering degree is that even though you don't know all the material well, but if it came up in the field/job, then you'd know where to relearn it/learn more about it again? Kinda blew my mind but I'm not sure if that's right.

>>12756588
For most jobs especially BS level jobs it's mostly just proof that you're smart and can work hard enough and can do some math. Your real job will probably just be playing around in excel and writing reports and sending emails.

There's also just so many practical job specific things that schools can't teach. I went into process engineering at a chemical plant and had to learn all the practical knowledge of shit like OSHA regulations and why butterfly valves are fucking garbage and how to do a HAZOP and how to convince a project manager to spend $100k on your pet project and how to explain thermodynamics to someone who barely graduated high school 25 years ago and shit like that. That's all part of engineering too but it's not something you can learn in school.

>>12748001
Then say you're a "student".... play the game against them.
>Uh yeah.. just catching 5 more credit hours this fall and I'll be done.
>Already has degree.
>Sure anon sounds good, you're our new intern now.
>Anon keeps mouth shut about degree.

>>12757110
Oddly, this actually sounds like good advice. The only shortfall I can imagine is if they ask for your transcript and that indicates you possess the degree.

>>12757200
Thanks anon. I get fed up with how much the system is rigged against good folk.
On your shortfall concern, the employer would ask for the transcript once you "finish" university and wish to join them as an employee. At that point, are they really going to notice, or even care if they notice, a different month/year of graduation on a piece of paper? Some H.R. diversity hire? Probably not.
>scenario 1: they don't notice, you're hired
>scenario 2: they notice, but don't care, you're hired
>scenario 3: they notice and do care, you're not fired. In this scenario, you would then apply at a different employer because you now have buzzword "internship" on your resume.
I'm serious anons, you have to beat the rigged system at it's own game. Employers used to train you on the job, now it's the whole gotta have 5 years experience as a new graduate before getting an entry level job.

>>12755815
places are requiring the GRE? during covid? I thought most places waived it or made it optional

>>12757223
correction:
>scenario 3: they notice and do care, you're fired. In this scenario, you would then apply at a different employer because you now have buzzword "internship" on your resume.

>>12747778
Sounds like you're from the UK
>>12752313
How to get FAGMAN job if I can't even do Leetcode mediums?

>>12757227
I have no idea. I didn't even consider it but it makes sense. I already took it back when I was finishing my undergrad degree but GRE scores are only held for 5 years. I suppose it's worth looking into but that's so far down the road at this point, considering most graduate program deadlines are around December/January.
All I know is that the GRE is a multi-billion dollar industry (scam) and I doubt it'll ever be dissolved completely.

How is the field of data science? Supposedly the demand is supposed to be outstripping the supply and this trend is set to continue. I'm studying electrical engineering, but honestly, I was quite misinformed and it's going to be challenging to find a job. I am thinking about doing a data science degree or training after since I am already using a bit of python and have done some ML.

>>12759318
It's just another name for a stats degree with a CS minor.

I'm majoring in CS and considering picking a minor in math. Thought about doing something with data science or signal processing in grad school but I'm not sure if I need abstract algebra, analysis and differential equations for that. I think multivariable calculus and statistics are enough for data science while basic ODEs and transformations are enough for signal processing.

Lads, I have a question. I'm an electrical engineer and I'm planning of relocating to USA. If I want to work on my field, aside from revalidating my degree and whatnot, I have to take the PE Exam, right? If so, does anyone know about the process and all related to it? I found a practice exam and I'm tackling it to see how it goes. Thanks in advance.

>>12760672
Take linear algebra, stochastic processes and measure theoretic probability if you can (you will also need analysis) if you want to do very interesting work

>>12760897
Yes, I'm already planning on taking linear algebra and real analysis.
>measure theoretic probability
You mean course on pure probability? Lebesgue measure, all that stuff?
>stochastic processes
I thought about picking this one, but I also thought that I can just pick it in grad school, if there'll be such need, along with Monte-Carlo methods.
What do you think about numerical analysis? I know some numerical methods already, just not in much details.

>>12760214
People in stats learn ML?

who here /marine ecology/

>>12761114
Yeah Lebesgue measures and stuff. You can pick it up in grad school, but where I come from it's not ordinary for grad school to involve taught courses. Optimisation would be helpful too, along with maybe diff-geo for some more esoteric stuff, functional analysis for interesting stuff on the borderline of ml and comp-neuro (ace this and apply to the Gatsby unit, maybe you will do better than me, a humble dirt scratcher who lacked the ivy League credentials to study at a high level in my own country thanks to globalism and Jews/Chinamen probaby spit spit).

Other than that reading papers and implementing them in pytorch or whatever is a very useful thing to be able to do also even if you want to do theoretical stuff (ml is after all still an applied subject).

Should I try applying to German Universities with DAAD scholarships (or government scholarships here if DAAD does not accept me)? I'm from a third-world country with no research experience yet, but I plan to re-contact some labs here after this quarantine. Or should I do my Master's here instead?
I'm an undergraduate in CS, though I plan to pursue something heavy in maths but still grounded with applications since I don't want to stay poor.

>>12753594
I mean oil is in the shitter. I know people that lost work/offers in that sector. Enviro consulting is doing well. I have a job lined up in that field as my first job. Hoping to transfer to mining at some point.

>>12753723
I had a math minor and had a 2.0 in my minor, so it’s not a big deal. I still got a full ride to grad school. Idk depends on your specialty. Geological engineers use some calc. I mainly just use binary diagrams, so excel is important. Linear algebra. Matlab, R, and autocad would likely be helpful. Not math but still. We have a lot of overlap with civil engineering

I suck at mathematics. I'm currently doing a vocational education as a programmer with a focus on mathematics, but I think I'm going to fail out of that soon. I enjoy programming, and I'm good enough at it to work, but my math grades are shite. I've tried to get better over the last three years, with very little success. And at this point, I have so much anxiety with regards to the subject that I can't even get myself to study it for school anymore. Any general career advice? Should I kms myself?

>>12762746
Most software Dev jobs need very little mathematics, I wouldn't really worry about it. Stuff like web dev especially.

>>12762829
Yeah, I know, but I need maths to get my license and I'm worried that I won't be able to because I so hard at it. I'm just planning ahead for when/if I fail, I wouldn't know what I would do if I couldn't get that license.

>>12762852
Have you exhausted all avenues of help you have access to through the programme? If so maybe find a private tutor?

A lot of this might just be down to feeling intimidated by it, the only real way to overcome that is to persevere and it eventually gets easier.

hi, im in the uk and about to finish my bachelors in mathematics. im expected a 1st, but im not really sure what i want to do next, career wise.

i know that i should probably learn to code as finance jobs dont really stand out to me, it looks kind of intimidating working in that sort of sector.

should i pursue a masters, although i doubt i could get a 1st in my masters as one of the reasons im expecting a first is im more comfortable sitting home exams due to being retarded and i dont panic. would a masters in mathematics and data science be a good idea?

i just want a secure job, not really bothered about high pay, just not worrying about losing it

>>12762856
I would say vanilla software Dev is more secure than data science, as it's a bit easier to show the value you add. In my experience data science is 1. competitive, there are a lot of third world shitters who want what you have and 2. you spend a lot of time justifying yourself to non-technical people and presenting "insights" which personally I disliked.

If you really want security above all else look into something like actuarial where you get certified and have a professional society (white collar union) backing your interests.

>>12762874
thanks for the reply, i've never thought about actuarial finance, do you think a masters is recommended or is a 1st bachelors just as goo. i don't think i could achieve a masters when unis reopen due to the 'tism

I need to write a motivation letter to apply for a PhD position in Europe. Will it sound weird if I write "university X has very successful staff and being a part of it would help me reach my academic goals"? It feels like I'm saying I'm using them for personal gain. Any tips on writing motivation letters?

>>12762891
I think with a first you would stand a good chance of getting interviews for some actuarial graduate schemes, not the most competitive one's mind, but probably cosier ones in less glamourous places (with lower cost of living). I had a 2.1 from Warwick and managed a few interviews at big London insurance/reinsurance firms even though I didn't really care about actuarial at all, so if you are really gunning for it you should stand a decent chance.

Did you do some statistics at uni? Its possible you would already be exempt from some of the actuarial exams, you can check on the society of actuaries website probably.

>>12762855
There isn't really any help from my program, the school part of German vocational """""education""""" is a literal joke.
But I've honestly been too proud to get help from a tutor, maybe I need to rethink that. Thanks for your help anon

>>12762898
check this thread, there are nice advices.
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/12604768

>>12755815
Think I'm gonna apply for a psychology major now.

>>12763000
Same. Nice numbers btw.

>>12762916
thanks for the advice, i'll keep an eye out for graduate position on gradcracker and such. I did statistics in the first year, but when choosing optional modules I wen't for operational research and fluid dynamics over the 'advanced' stats courses.

i'm actually at coventry uni, not that far from warwick. mind if i ask what you're doing now?

>>12763140

I'm working in ML research and applying for PhDs and so on.

>>12762976
Thanks, anon.

"Name and contact information of three references"
Does that mean name, address, phone number and email or would name and email probably suffice?

I like space, satellites, and all that sort of bullshit. What's the best thing I could study in college for a good chance at doing meaningful work for lockheedmartin/nasa/whateverthefuck?

>>12764087
Mec, electrical or computer engineering. there's aerospacial iirc but the market is so much smaller.

>>12764087
The people I know who went into space stuff studied EE and focused on electronics or electromagnetics. I'm sure that's not the only way, but it seemed like when I was in school there was relatively more demand for EEs. Getting a job with NASA is hard, landing a NASA contractor job is a lot more likely. Either way, you better be really excited about the work because they're not going to pay very well. If you go work for lockmart or one of those then remember there's a good chance they might make you work on weapons instead of the spaceships you wanted to work on.

>>12699713
Is it a bad idea to become a teacher as a 22-year old male?

I'm seriously worried about being falsely accused of sexual harassment/assault. This happened to a male teacher at my high school. The local press and superintendent dragged his name through the mud with no evidence, as often happens. Several years later the charges were dropped.

What actually happened was that a girl ran up to him in the parking lot while he was in his car and gave him a peck on the lips. The rumor going around the school, which she spread, was that they made out on the football field.

The superintendent did not support him at all through this ordeal because of existing politics regarding the football team, which the teacher coached.

The teacher fucked off from the town completely, his name ruined, and now works on Wall Street.

Anyways, I'm trying to avoid the same fate. Do you think I should avoid high school education in current year?

>>12748097
>>12704501
>>12725085
As someone with a ChemE BS who has been rejected by a lot of pharma/contract pharma companies in my job hunting adventures so far, the answer is yes, but only if you're at the top of your class and have internships. Like most industries, really. All these companies have things called Manufacturing Development Program/Leader Development Program/Global Organization Leadership Development which usually involve a few rotations over 2 or 3 years. Here's a typical one. https://www.catalent.com/careers/students-grads/

What will probably happen to you, statistically speaking, is that you will end up like me, in lab technician or engi technician hell, where you top out your career progression very very quickly at a menial job. Or you could just opt for consulting. Easier to get, more money than a tech job, less physical labor.

>>12752210
Anon you have described me to a T, I admit, with the exception of that thing about the field positions. I've just been temping. For field positions I've been using >https://www.oilandgasjobsearch.com/ >https://www.careermine.com/searchjobs/?Keywords=chemical+engineer
Any other resources you'd recommend for field engineer stuff? I've worked the night shift as a temp, I'm more than willing to slave away in a miserable job if it will give me impressive experience I can use to escape into an actual engi job.

>>12764960
I really appreciate the answer, anon. It seems graduate school will be a must for me.

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>>12748421
Bump for this question, I'm in the same boat