/sci/ - Science & Math

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>>12743722
Watch out SpaceX...the Euro masterrace is reporting in... now you will no longer live rent free in our heads!!!!!

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>>12743738
The BBC gets government money to spam anti-white propaganda I’m not sure Europe is much of a threat these days

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>>12743738
What were they even testing with this thing?

>>12743750
It’s kinda like their version of Starhopper. It’s called THEMIS.

>>12743747
Who’s the one who brought it up first?

>>12743741
According to the reddit AMA they are surprised the descent stage diverted left into of landing right in the river delta

>>12743764
Wait explain that a little more. Was it supposed to land in the delta?

GUYS MARS HAD AN OXYGENATION EVENT LIKE EARTH

>>12743722
Page 2 about to be reached, staging
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>>12743738
when is it supposed to hop

>>12743778
Apparently it was the best site based on satellite images, so they aren't sure what made it divert

>>12743788
Based.

Very curious what caused these two different rock formations so close to each other

>>12743827
One of them is a dinosaur fossil.

I can't believe they fucking gassed a rover and got away with it

>>12743827
Ejecta, most likely. Didn't Percy landed close to a impact crater?

>>12743833
If I didn't know better, NASA could say this is Venus and I would believe it.

>>12743833
Samxzklmt Hydanxz can't keep getting away with it!

>>12743833
>Gas it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure

The dust kickup is kino

>>12743846
Rip skycrane you did a good job

>>12743846
CHAIN THE WORL
MY FYNL MESG
GOODBYE

>>12743846
im boutta head out

>>12743846
>fuck this gay mars

>>12743846
I'm surprised the exhaust plume wasn't visible at all.

What causes this formation?

>>12743749
this is probably the coolest space video from NASA since the Apollo era

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>>12743846
Beyond based

>>12743889
Looks like desiccation cracks. Caused from evaporation of a fluid, i.e. water, and then the clays and sediments contract as they get dried out

>>12743851
Why do space landings look so fake?

It seems almost impossible to determine the altitude based on terrain features. Perseverance appears to be hanging at 3000m and suddenly it's kicking up some dust. What looked like mountains are actually small rocks.

Is the Demiurge using some lazy-loaded fractal textures for other bodies?

Same effect can be observed in Chang'e-5's landing:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS9zr6MrCiM

State mandated martian raptor wifes when?

>>12743936
Actually hah on second that that's definitely not what it is. It's just weathered bedrock where regolith has just blown in and filled the cracks

>>12743939
It's just because other planets don't have much to estimate scale by and the fact that the atmosphere/ clouds aren't blocking view of descent

>>12743939
Nothing familiar to give you a sense of scale

>>12743939
It isn’t Earth so it looks weird, because of different atmospheric effects and a total lack of visible familiar features we can infer scale and distance from.

>>12743946
Why the fuck is the moon smooth? I’d expect WAY more roughness on a world that’s been a vacuum for billions of years

>>12743941
You can already get a Raptor wife it’s just that she’s probably mounted to the ass of a Starship

>>12743950
maybe solar winds?

>>12743846
Someone edit this

>>12743838
Percy landed IN an impact crater, near the western edge. Curiosity did the same thing with Gale Crater.

New Thunderf00t video
https://youtu.be/2oWdvwkfW4Q
>Perseverence Rover: BUSTED

>>12743966
>thunderderp

>>12743941
What made you think it was a good idea to post this?

Sooo, no audio? Microphones fucked?

And does anyone know if they landed where they wanted to land? They have been really slow with this info.

I want to watch Elon incinerate some birds some day.

>>12743898
So they went with the Atari option for the Ayyyys. nice gesture.

>>12743846
>My job is done
>Fare well, Perseverance

>>12743966
The comment section is exactly what I imagined it would be

>>12743749
What fuel is the Skycrane using? And why is the plume invisible.

>>12743946
those mountains are probably really far away

>>12743889
4 billion years of frost heaving

>>12743992
Hypergolics, obviously. Even in Earth's atmospher hypergols have a transparent plume, and in the near vacuum of the Martian atmosphere it would not be visible.

>>12743950
Impacts create dust, and the dust (very) slowly migrates around because of some weird electrostatic effects created by sunlight

>>12744007
I saw a neat talk about this at the IAC by the way, I'll see if I can find the paper.

>>12743992
The rule of thumb in spaceflight is: if you need to design a rocket engine that NEEDS to fire with no margin for error, such as trying to land an automated multi million dollar project, you go with hypergolics. It is a super reliable system that will ignite every time and work like a charm

>>12744014
reminds me of the scene from from the earth to the moon. one of the A13 wives is worried about the lunar burn.

engineer is like 'lol we just open a valve and the engine starts, it's pretty reliable"

>>12743950
It's literally been pulverized into powder by impacts, and the shockwaves from more impacts continuously shake down and smooth any of the surface features made of the small particles.

>>12744021
Hmm, and the lack of water prevents the dust sedimenting into new stone or clumping?

>>12744014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbuuh1f2KM
Great, even rocket engines are greentexting now.

>>12743990
>>12743966
Do you think he will make SpaceX busted when Elon lands people on Mars
>inb4 Musk is copying Apollo, they already landed people on the Moon, it's the same thing as Mars

>>12744025
pretty much

>>12744015
Kek. Hypothetically if Starship ran on Aerozine 50 fuel / Dinitrogen Tetroxide oxidizer would it get more performance than methalox or less? Idk how isp works

>>12743984
they landed behind some dunes, so not ideal. they might have to spend tine going around. mics work but didnt record shit during landing and they dont know why

>>12744026
Pepe did it first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFqdiW3oEbM

>>12744027
He'll become a Mars landing denier and eventually descend into moon landing denial. He would sooner lose all sense of self before admitting he was wrong.

>>12744035
Alright, which one of you assholes did this?

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>>12743846
So much WIN!

>>12744031
Way less. Isp is a function of exhaust velocity, which is a function of exhaust molecular mass and fuel energy content per unit mass. All hypergolics have less energy per unit mass and more molar mass than hydrocarbon fuels, which is why all hydrocarbon fuels are more efficient than all hypergolics.

>>12744027
>Musk promised million, he only got 10, MUSK IS A FRAUD, OVERPROMISE UNDERDELIVER!!!!

Anybody got any good documentary recs on the history of Mars/ planetary exploration?

>>12744074
There's the "The Planets" 2019 show that has an episode about Mars from formation to current state using the latest data gathered by the recent missions.

Anyone have a better quality version of this picture from the press conference. I want to shit on SJWs with it

>>12743992
byproducts are nitrogen and hydrogen gas, both of which are clear.

In 2060 when Mars colonization is actually going to be real, every one of you will be dying of old age already. Sorry.

>>12744108
it's fine. as long as humanity leaves earth we'll be happy

>>12744108
>believing Mars colonization will be done by NASA
Lol

Ungle Benis Hybergoligs :DDDDD

>>12744108
Not me. I'll only be in my 60s.
>>12744123
>says he's with Ungle Benis Hybergoligs
>packaging says Uncle Benis
I don't think this is a very trustworthy product.

>>12744007
>the moon has an atmosphere 0.000001% of Earths
>it's just fucking floating regolith from impacts

>>12744121
What was the real reason why this didn't work?

>>12744140
Dick Cheney

>>12744140
Shuttle lobby

>>12744108
I’ll be 58 so not that old brother

>>12744121
Shitty design never would’ve worked

>>12744160
>>12744140
Too heavy. Too many goals. Too much new technology without the ability to survive a failure during testing. A recipe for disaster really.

>>12744108
Knowing it exists and seeing pictures of it is worth it. Also any one of us could die tomorrow so everything we see now is a blessing

Best planet

>>12744140
A perfect storm of asking for too much with too short a development time, a project supported by democrats as the republicans took office and shuttle legacy manufacturers who would lose out on the NASA honeypot and wanted to shut it down.

>>12744162
sexy lander

>>12744170
Pluto is great it’s too bad the only way we’ll ever have round trips that don’t take a decade is NSWR or fusion rockets

>>12744160
Not with this attitude

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>>12744172
Thanks bro I based it off pic related. Apparently it was the lander that NASA “wanted to build” for its 2033 Mars mission back when the constellation program was a thing.

>>12743950
It's not smooth, at all, on the macro scale.

>>12744170
>planet
Deboonked by facts and logic.

>>12744186
and the micro

>>12744189
>23:08:31

>>12744190
>23:08:30

neat

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>>12744189
So it's smooth on the mecro level but not the micro or macro levels?

>>12744194
yes and somewhat smooth-somewhat crusty on the mæcro level

>>12744193
What the fuck?

>>12744199
It just happens sometimes.

>>12744007
This means that Armstrong's footprints will eventually be smoothed out, so we need to get back up there and dome the site.

>>12744095
What is this picture of?

>>12744210
my wife and her boyfriends

>>12744212
Yikes

>>12744190
>The planet DEBOONKER

>>12744170
I've always hated it because of that one Magic School Bus episode for some reason

I wonder what kind of fashion Mars colonies will have.

I can't wait for short hair on women to go into fashion on space colonies since there is less to wash which saves water.

>>12744233
like that soviet chick in the 2010 movie

>>12744233
>short hair
You might be gay son

>>12744240
short hair is best hair

>>12744231
What was this faggot's plan anyways?

>>12744231
The one where Arnold freezes?

>>12744233
Found the homo

>>12743898
what are the cut cables in the bottom right?

>>12744244
>PSYCHO STREAMER KILLS HIMSELF IN OUTER SPACE

>>12744251
Skycrane data connection

>>12744243
If you are a fag

>>12744244
Crashing the bus with no survivors

>>12744240
Your taste mite be shit faggot

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>>12744250
>Liking certain features on women is gay
Imagine being this insecure

>>12744265
>Liking certain features on women is gay
If those are man features, yeah.

>>12744272
short hair is not a man feature retard

>>12744263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZsFd71xdyI

>>12744272
Your children will be low t

>>12744280
I had a wet dream about pic related from Stranger Things.

>>12744297
Why are astronauts unattractive. Even the Apollo dudes were fugly although they were chads.

>>12744280
>short hair AND a bull ring
how is your taste this trash? was your mom a hooker or something?

>>12744303
>this faggot wouldn’t perform a docking maneuver with Mae Jemison’s asshole

>>12744303
First of all the apollo dudes were attractive, and second of all women astronauts are ugly because they are asexual dorks

>>12744303
Cristoforetti a cute

implying the a12 crew aren't the best looking bunch out of the whole o' humanity

>>12744319
She's a commie.

>>12743950
Micrometeorite impacts over time. Sandblasting effect.

>>12744319
based

>>12744324
bruh look at his TEETH

>>12744160
>58
A fellow early zoomer?
Tell me brother, does this video seem familiar?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qAjxWV7Xdo

>>12743992
Hypergolics-- no flame visible. Apollo LEM takeoffs, for instance. I will also note that artists insist on painting exhaust flames on everything. They also paint stars in the daylight sky on the Moon. For some reason.

>>12744240
>he never wanted to /ss/ a short-haired tomboy like videl
bruh
>>12744244
He was sacrificing himself for the sake of Allah. But in all seriousness, wouldn't he have basically shriveled up due to water evaporation instead of freezing? I mean, space itself has no pressure so water just sublimates.

>>12744352
>wouldn't he have basically shriveled up due to water evaporation instead of freezing? I mean, space itself has no pressure so water just sublimates.
Anon.....our skin is pressure-sealed.

>>12744351
"Where is the flame? Where are the stars? Must be fake!"

yikes https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-777-ntsb-idUSKBN2AN03S

Why tomboys should be the only women allowed to escape LEO and land on other planets:
>Tomboys, unlike regular midwit women, are not cultural sheep and are capable of forming actual personalities to accompany men on the journey to other planets. This also makes them immune to any (((cultural enrichment))), as like I said before, they are not like hive-minded insects and are capable of thinking for themselves.
>They're capable of helping around. While them still being women makes them weaker than men, it's nice to still have other helping hands. Plus, it's cute to see them struggle with carrying supplies with your help.
>They'd happily settle down and still be capable of seeing others without hoeing around, for they play games by literally playing games, not fucking with our hearts.
>They'd look fantastic in biosuits.
>They're more likely to actually be interested in space and stuff, so they won't just become bored and complain.
>They prevent massive homosexual orgies that result in no one actually enjoying anything in the long run.
Tl;dr, tomboys will probably actually like space on their own accord, not when the media tells them to. It's no coincidence that all the female cosmonauts and astronauts (who actually flew) were tomboyish to at least some degree.

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>>12744404
>tomboys
Drug abusers are not permitted to be astronauts.

>>12744404
This is the real reason.

>>12744415
Sucks to be you then.

>>12744404
The problem is that tomboys don't really exist anymore, media has forced them all into lesbianism

please remember that ONLY male breastfeeding will be allowed on mars

>>12744419
Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

>>12744415
I said tomboys, not gypsies.
>>12744303
They're all moms and stuff, or are at least the age of an older mother. Bobendoug's stouter half actually has a wife coming to the ISS in a later Dragon flight, and she doesn't actually look so bad for a woman who's about to become 50 years old.

We should become a purely male species like the Engineers from Prometheus, and have bodybuilding competitions.

>>12744429
They DO exist, but they're hard to come by in their pure form. A lot of the more chill FTM trannies who don't tryhard their transformation can probably be brought back to normalcy, especially if they're not being constantly brainwashed by (((LGBT))) media. Because FTMs are just confused tomboys most of the time.

>>12744447
Gotta love how some.....people....decided that “gender” was just a word for personality. It’s like if we had pronouns for the different Myers–Briggs personalities. Hopefully this junk is a fad.

>>12744443
How to make more humans though? You can't flex people into existence

>>12744451
Hey, there's no human geese on Mars, and there will be none. Except people like Robert Zubrin, maybe. New Rhodesia can easily learn to fortify minds from childhood and fight mediocrity and mental illness pandering.

>>12744457
Cloning

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>>12743749
kino

>>12744457
Artificial wombs storable at home, which develop fetuses to term as clones of the “father” or potentially genetic blends of multiple men, something already achieved using females. This is not a serious proposal and is a meme btw

>>12744457
>see pic
>>12744462
But see, this is another why tomboys are the prime specimens of the opposite sex. Someone needs to have the motherliness to birth and nurture children, but still have the fortitude of the fathers. That, and genetic variety is always a good thing, so long as it stays within a race.

>>12744329
I wonder how long until some astronaut gets btfo by a regolith particle at 800mph

>>12744461
Broad antisemitism is dumb. It’s never the stereotypical religious Jews with the dark clothes and funny hair, it’s the atheist ethnic ones

>>12744471
I wonder if we could get away with only pressurizing the head, and compartmentalizing the rest of the spacesuit to protect against rapid depressurization in case of a puncture,

>>12744473
That's a lie. 90% of jews fervently support Zionism.

>>12744479
i have a jewish friend that doesnt even know he is jewish

>>12744482
That statement makes no sense. Or did you secretly obtain and test his DNA? Pretty creepy, desu.

>>12744479
>these people want their own ethnic homeland and that’s bad

Maybe you’re the Jew?

>>12744473
Hence why I mentioned Robert Zubrin. Some Jewish people actually dislike the idea of being cowards who just parasitically destroy their enemies and absorb them, and God bless them, for they are like the men who rejected their talmudic brethrens' greed and chose to follow Christ.

>>12744473
t. Jew

>>12744231
I remember reading a picture book as a kid that had some kind of a spacefaring schoolbus and the class trip was basically visiting every points of interest in the solar system, starting from the sun. Seeing pics of space bears surfing in solar winds got me fascinated about space ever since.

>>12744437
>gypsies
Oh well lucky for us ARCA will never make it to space

>>12744457
As population decline becomes more and more of a problem, corporations (after becoming de facto governments) will realize that they need to bolster the numbers of their customer base and that's how we get huge baby-growing tanks managed by neural nets optimized for genetic recombination.
I think that within a few hundred years this is probably going to become the dominant method by which new humans come into existence.

>>12744489
That "homeland" is called Palestine and they are murdering and terrorizing the natives while denying every other nation on earth that right to their own ethnostate that is explicitly enumerated in the universal declaration of human rights.

Race will not exist in the space age. To achieve global unity and explore the stars we must expel our differences

>>12744489
Having an ethnic homeland is insufficient for Zionists. They also want the rest of the world outside of their homeland to be a miserable and politically-pliable shithole.

>>12744504
I'm okay with race going away, as long as we bring back eugenics

>>12744505
based. the only people with a long term plan for the longevity of civilization. I wish i could join the nwo, it really is a heroic effort

>>12744502
The problem with Israel isn't that they're trying to genocide Palestinians, it's that they're subverting western governments to help them do it, and as you said all while actively preventing other groups from doing the same

>>12744504
>*Jews are excluded from this rule. Anyone that protests will be arbitrarily persecuted.

>>12744485
i secretly did genealogical research

>>12744504
Thats retarded. Differences will only become more and more extreme in such an environment

>>12744510
>long term plan for the longevity of civilization
Except the plan dooms civilization because nobody is allowed to leave the crab bucket or they might escape the long-nose tribe's sphere of influence.

>>12744516
lel, don't tell him

>>12744516
Exceedingly creepy. If I were your 'friend' I would get a restraining order.

>>12744516
What are you KGB?

>>12744521
not true, that's you extrapolating

>>12743846
This is fucking based
>>12744031
Lmao no it wouldn't be good, but we will see it's capabilities when the Chinese pull it off
>>12744504
This is super specific and random, but which one of you has that meme with the nazi freaking out and the black and white couple is like "no it's okay we're both Catholic". I know I saw it on /sfg/ and I've been thinking about it for a while

>>12744516
based

>>12744531
>'only one's with long term plan for civilization'
>s-stop extrapolating! Thinking ahead bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>12744343
I’ve been into space my whole life but my only memory of the constellation program before it was canned was watching a documentary about the return to the moon. Anyways yeah RIP Ares V. I remember it being my favorite rocket until 2012, when I learned it was cancelled. Ares I was cool too. At the time the idea of separate crew and cargo launchers made so much sense to me. I know it’s stupid now but when I learned about Ares I and V back in 2009ish I was like “Ah of course that makes sense why would you launch your cargo with your crew?”

>>12744404
Dude, tomboys are still women and still have all of the issues normal girls have. You’re naive if you think they’re any different.
>t. Dated skater chicks in high school

>>12744437
Good for them desu but not taking your husband’s last name has always been a red flag to me don’t know why

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>>12744504
Not memeing but I hope we as a society can get past race but seeing as how the modern world likes to capitalize off differences in it, I don’t think that’ll ever happen.

>>12744535
>We’re both Catholic
Jej. Did you know that by 2050 4/10 Christians will be sub Saharan African?

>>12744555
>Not memeing but I hope we as a society can get past race
You are poisoned

>>12744544
>why would you launch your cargo with your crew?
Because you can

>>12744555
Surprised it's not already.

>>12744555
I'm confident it will happen out of necessity at this point

>>12744557
Making people think they’re different from one another only makes animosity between them larger.

>>12744560
I hate illegal immigration but Hispanics are the only reason Christianity is still prevalent in the US. White people are cucked man

>>12744563
>genetics only exists in people's minds
Sincerely hope you're trolling

>>12744569
I’ve never seen a New Glenn next to a Starship before. It’s small

>>12744563
They are different from one another and insisting someone ignore and act against obvious truths makes them more angry than any 'nonviolent' action you can take. Evolution did not stop at the neck, post-christian.

>>12744571
white people are the most culturally advanced is all due to more time living at a higher technological level. shedding religion is part of moving forward as a species. pic related

>>12744571
Idolater.

>>12744210
white people

>>12744580
Scientism is a stupid religion for midwits. More cringe than even Christians.

>>12744586
lmao

>>12744563
>Making people think they’re different from one another
They ARE different from one another. Decades of life on other planets would create divergent cultures and genomes, even whole new species

>>12744594
>Decades
A bit longer than that, jej.

>>12744580
>Shed religion
>suicide rates skyrocket
>Birthrates drop to extinction levels
>we’re moving forward guys

I’m gonna go live with the Mormons on Mars

>>12744594
>Decades of life on other planets would create divergent cultures and genomes, even whole new species
holy shit you're delusional. evolution doesn't work on timescales like that

>>12744598
>evolution doesn't work on timescales like that
Evolution occurs between a single generation. Genetic changes, many of them, occur 100% of the time during reproduction.

>>12744594
No! Humans are magic beings that did not evolve and and are generic units that are totally interchangeable. Trust the experts! Creationism is true!

>>12744604
You must be trolling

>>12744609
You realize that evolution and creationism are perfectly compatible, right?

>>12744612
I have roughly 100 mutations in my genome that make me genetically distinct from either of my parents. So do you.

>>12744615
only it this really abstract pantheistic way

>>12743722
Unpopular spaceflight opinions
>I really enjoyed “The Martian” both book and movie. I liked how the book was technical and I like how the movie was light hearted and not a downer. I know it’s kinda goofy but it has an inspiring feeling to it and great visuals. Also it got me into David Bowie.
>I think the ISS is a good thing because it gave us SpaceX. Without the ISS, SpaceX wouldn’t exist. Maybe that timeline would be better, but I’m happy with ours right now.
>There’s nothing wrong with the SLS aside from the fact that it’s flying in the 2020s and not the 1990s. If it flew at least a decade ago it would’ve been a good rocket.
>Perseverance is great but $2.5 Billion for a single Mars rover would be better spend going to half a dozen smaller landers for the poles, Valles Marinaris, maybe even Phobos
>Falcon 9 looked better when it was all white with scorch marks after reuse
>The current Starship/BFR/ITS design is the best because its the one that’s actually had flight time.

Every day we do not have flying cars is Musk BUSTED!

>>12744622
>no mention of terraforming or brics
C'mon, man.

>>12744620
Nothing abstract or pantheistic about it, after all it's the official position of the Catholic Church. God created life, and life undergoes evolutionary processes. Where's the conflict?

>>12744625
>Terraforming is a neat idea but will never happen because all of our bases are already planned for lower elevations, so if you made an ocean on Mars everyone would drown
>PROONTING is a meme the future is making bricks and spraying foam on them to make it airtight

>>12744622
Quality post, image gave me a good laugh as well

>>12744619
how did you perform in freshmen biology

>>12744620
>>12744626
The Catholic Church endorsed evolution and its heresy for a Catholic to believe that the Earth was created in “7 days” which is retarded as fuck. Anyhow do Jews believe in creationism? It’s from the Old Testament/Torah?

>>12744576
Its because it is supposed to be competition for the Falcon9. Thats what people don't understand. Blue Orgin is so far behind its insane

>>12744622
>>12744632
Excellent.

>>12744640
It's also competition for falcon heavy

>>12744615
Sure, if you don't know anything about either of those things

>>12744569
Who's that big boi in the middle?

>>12744626
>God created life
So God created the first living cell and then let evolution do the rest?
Christians believe God created humans, and science says they evolved. Those are mutually exclusive.

>>12744343
Bro I've seen that animation with different music so many times, it brings back memories. I remember thinking that Ares 1 was wack as fuck, especially when it had its slapstick test flight

>>12744644
The OT is wholly incompatible with the modern paradigm. What I've read of the NT just seems like a manual on exceptional rhetoric.

>>12744580
based
>>12744590
cringe

>>12744639
I've never met a Jew who actually knows anything about their faith other than the traditional holiday significances. Catholicism is based, especially compared to Heebrewism
>>12744645
boeing lmlv I think?

>>12744636
Evolution is change in allele frequencies in a population of related organisms over successive generations. In one generation, allele frequencies in a population can, will, and do change, therefore evolution can occur in one generation.

My biology class never covered evolution, and even if they did, I’m sure they’d give a piss-poor overview of it, without any details, because it’s an assembly line-style massive scale educational system, not a true learning experience. Perhaps you yourself have been negatively impacted by this, because it should be obvious that some changes would occur even across only one reproductive cycle.

>>12744660
>boing
Never betting made.

>>12744643
Yes my bad falcon platform in general, but its problem is it is coming out after starship.

>>12744661
Listen dude, random mutations that take place between generations are overwhelmingly junk mutations that don't affect phenotype. It takes centuries for larger animals to start to have noticeable phenotype changes due to mutations. No humans are going to be speciating within decades without technological intervention

>>12744666
Maybe they'll surprise us. Starship is an unprecedented endeavor, while BO just has to rip off the F9

>>12744667
>without technological intervention
oh god you're going to summon the furries

>>12744647
Just because an organism changes over time doesn't mean it ceases to be a creation of God. Whether or not we suddenly appeared on Earth in our current form (we didn't) or developed into what we are through a process dictated by God is irrelevant to that premise

>>12744667
Gene frequency is an equally important part of evolution to mutations. The moment you place a population of organisms into an environment, selection pressures will begin acting on them, causing the deaths or otherwise misfortune of organisms with pre-existing undesirable genotypes.
For example, if I had a population of rats of numerous colors, such as white, brown, black, etc, and I placed them into, say, a farmyard environment, the white rats would quickly be killed off due to being much more visible to predators like coyotes, wolves, and hawks than the brown and black rats, causing the second generation of rats in the environment to have a substantially different average gene composition from the first generation. Evolution in one reproductive cycle.

>>12744660
Catholicism is just more Abrahamist poison.
Reject Abrahamism, embrace Ascendant Theocidism, the official religion of the moon wizards.

>>12744670
SN 8 and 9 already nailed the flight SN 10 is probably going to land this week. SN 11 is already ready and SN15 has more of the design added to it including thermal tiles. Starship is unironically going very well and will most likely do an orbital flight this year. New Glenn still is what?

>>12744670
>Maybe they'll surprise us
That's funny and sad at the same time

>>12744632
Pretty sure pressurized sealed habitats can work both on the mars surface and under water, Martian bioshock

>>12744697
Pressurized environments are designed to withstand pressure from inside, not pressure from outside.

>>12744327
She's Italian.

>>12744404
if you believe this you are an unironic midwit. When you watch Diversity Inclusion trash, all that is about manufacturing women who are androgonous in spirit. You are already sourounded by tomboys. Except they'll never look like your fantasy. Women take power, and then make the place safe and secure for them. True Tomboys. Can never be raised in a gynocentric soceity which mass manufactures them.

If Snow Insnt Real How Can Space Is Real ?
https://youtu.be/9MQMFkNWL3I

>>12744684
That's not even what we're talking about. I'm talking about how long it takes for new traits to appear from mutations, not how long it takes allele frequencies to change. You are right that in a low population like a mars colony allele frequencies could change pretty fast, but that would only affect our preexisting genes. But the time it takes for new, useful traits to appear via mutation is much, much longer than you seem to think it is

>>12744404

>>12744716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIH6Tf4n8Ss

>>12744726
This sounds fucking awful, I dated a tom boy before and I do not recommend it. The novelty wears off quicker than a Minotaur leaving the pad, and pretty soon you find yourself wondering if you just got tricked into a dating a lesbian who is just trying to find herself

>>12744739
Tomboys are something you grow out of. I think people prefer them while they are young and insecure. Their masculine traits a counter balance to an inner lack.

>>12744303
The only girls with good personalities who are smart or maybe funny or halfway intelligent or talented, though god knows what the fuck that means, are ugly chicks. And this is because they have to make up for how fucking unnattractive they are.

>>12744234
Shes incredible

>>12744739
>>12744747

Nah. My wife has a bunch of male hobbies. I'm not sure I'd call her a tomboy but it sure beats the hell out of my ex that all of her hobbies had a social angle and I couldn't get her into anything that I was into. Now I have my wife linking me things related to space exploration and otaku stuff. We even watch the Starship flights together.

Having male hobbies doesn't mean lesbian for fucks sake.

ENTER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ujGv9AjDp4

>>12744817
>posting this shit again
Atheist neckbeard stereotype doesn’t know anything about rocketry.

>>12744233
short hair would definitely be more practical on Mars... being bald even more. Mars fashion will be all bald people.

>>12744265
I would gladly produce a small pirate with her, multiple times

>>12744504
you're right, we must genocide all niggers and jews before going to space

>>12744816
yeah, it doesn't but the fact that you have to have the same interests is mega cringe. Now it's fine if you are dating your wife. But you could date anyone else. Marriage is there to have children and to build a household together. Not to stream cringe anime to each other. Also if you cohabitated prior to marriage, those kinds of things are way likelier to implode. So have fun. I hope it works out.

But the last thing I'd bet on is you and your need to have hobbies validated by your wife.

Once Starship reaches orbit we must cross all the streams.
>proont a mini Starship
>send it to Zubrin

>>12744884
>Terraform Zubrin's scalp

>>12744887
>put a pisslock on Shelby's front door and stick a "propellant depot" sign in his front yard

>>12744875

>Marriage is there to have children and to build a household together

Wow, straight out of /pol/ eh? Let me guess, she better be my race too, right? I got married with her because I love her, not because of some need to procreate.

>it doesn't but the fact that you have to have the same interests is mega cringe

That's the most pathetic line I've seen on this site in over a year, congratulations.

>>12744894
>Let me guess, she better be my race too, right?

>>12744901

>>12744894
You're objectively a genetic failure, inferior to even a bacterium, if you don't have kids.

>>12744894
I think it’s fine if a spouse shares common interests with you. Look at bob behnken and his wife, two astronauts who probably geek out in their free time. But also marriage is originally a religious thing and it has been hijacked by the west. Dorks want to get married to women just to play nintendo switch and help them take photos for onlyfans. This is dumb; marriage is for producing children and building to a family. And I expect this mindset to be strictly enforced on Mars.

>>12744912

We're discussing having kids actually, but fear of becoming a "genetic failure" is not a discussion topic. It wouldn't even matter in the long run anyway as its likely that in a few hundred years the people living in this planet won't even be called humans anymore due to gene editing.

Real couples are thinking about how much money they earn, time they have for their potential child, their ages, their environment and so on. You'd know this if you stop browsing stromfront for a while.

>>12744916

>Dorks want to get married to women just to play nintendo switch and help them take photos for onlyfans.

Lmao. Where? At the most superficial people want to get married because of financial reasons, social image and sex. It's like you people can't observe things that happen outside of 4chan. Join reality.

>>12744919
>>12744922
Cringe reddit tourist

>>12744894
tell me one good reason why you'd ever want to get married. I'll wait. Also nothing to do with /pol/ you are the one who married a woman so you could date her full time.

And you are right she better have strong genes but I can already imagine she wouldn't you fat fuck. Space and Otaku shit is code for Weeb shit, and Space Weeb shit.

>>12743941
sometimes I wish to see the faces of the posters behind this

>>12744926

>tell me one good reason why you'd ever want to get married.

I love my wife and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. We help each other with double income and sharing house chores. By spending time together we also de-stress. I have some desire to raise children too. Why isn't this good enough?

>>12744934
This but with all of the anti-Krystal posts replacing the tweets.

>>12744936
Cute. For your sake I hope she’s pretty. And not an asshole. I almost married my old girlfriend–and that would have been a dumpster fire marriage. I was drunk in love though. Fuck you jannies this is on topic for late night /sfg/

>>12744936
Your reasons are as good as they come for the western mind set. If you are rich. This heightens your chances a lot. But that said, there are clean reasons why arranged marriages seem to empirically work out better. I am sure your arrangement works for some. But the frame of reference itself is rotten. That's the real answer. It's not good enough because if modern western methods worked the system wouldn't be ripping itself to shreds. This is why I can make fun of a random poster. But I can't be readily cruel to just an unwitting participant.

>>12744947
>the system wouldn't be ripping itself to shreds
The system isn't ripping "itself" to shreds. Americas being dismantled on purpose.

>>12744919
>We're discussing having kids
That this is even a discussion is why white people are going extinct. Good riddance.
All Arab Muslim Mars colony when?

>>12744950
Americans did dismantle it on purpose. It was always going to end at the family. A strong patriarch just had to go. All competing power systems have to go. I understand progressives/communists have been ripping it apart.

Neoliberals basically ran with critical theory, and never questioned the fact they turned america into a golden palace off the back of this new morality. With their new 'not communism'. But we can't blame anyone. The machine is bleeding to death for a number of reasons. We can't blame anyone.

>>12744961
>We can't blame anyone.

>>12744966
To clarify, we shouldn't blame anyone. They won. It's their machine bleeding to death.

>>12744961
>>12744970
>we can't blame anyone
>we shouldn't blame anyone
>no stop that would be revenge
>weren't you taught that revenge is always the ultimate evil and that you should never ever do it

>>12744976
Look if you wanna repeat 200+ years of constant failures and losses you are free to

anons...?

>>12744985

RocketLab moon launch from Virginia in a few weeks!

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1363943694273978368

>>12743846
>I showed you my roover, answer me

Brains been fried on crypto for the last week. What have I missed at Boca? Why hasn't the tin can flown yet?

>>12745057
Weather.

What is the comfiest station/hab you've ever seen? pic related

>>12745057
Texas had really bad weather. Also SpaceX was busy rescuing sea turtles

>>12745071
I also liked Caldari

>>12745073
>Also SpaceX was busy rescuing sea turtles

Cute

https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1364000038561714179?s=19
uhhhh i'm scared bros. we might be going from the best nasa admin in decades to an absolute oldspace SLS shill

>>12745108
what the fuck happened to putting a woman in there

>>12745108
>biden chooses pork barrel corruption
Wow I'm absolutely shocked. Its not like hes done this his entire career or anything. Its not like he was vice president during 8 years of nasa budget cuts. NASA is going to be outclassed by spacex and they deserve all the ridicule coming to them.

>>12744504
Space is just too big to be ruled by a single government with a single body of law.
Realistically cults like scientology are gonna build their own independent rotating habitats, that will have to function as near independent nations just because of the sheer distances alone, as any kind of outside intervention might take month or even years to reach any habitat not in the inner solar system.
In other words, "Who you gonna tell? The Judge? They don't judge up here, bitch!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYw_So8D_A8

>>12745108
>Nelson received campaign contributions from Saudi Arabia's lobbyists. In June 2017, Nelson voted to support Trump's $110 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia. In March 2018, Nelson voted against Bernie Sanders' and Chris Murphy's bill to end U.S. support for the Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen.
Well maybe his saudi handlers will force him to launch a space jihad and we will get a Paul Atreides out of it.

>>12744987
That's cool as fuck. I'd like to have a beer on it.

>>12744985
the hell is this

>>12745233
Looks like a terrain feature on Mars with an odd hole in it.
I'm curious what the scale is. Could be hundreds of meters wide or a few feet.

>>12744624
heh

>>12744985
ALIENS CONFIRMED FUCKIN ALIENS THEYRECOMING

>>12744622
agree on everything, aside from the SLS part, it's a mess.

>>12745077
>>12745071
>dark grey + bright blue LEDs
beyond shit taste

I want space stations/bases to look like malls

>>12744622
>If it flew at least a decade ago it would’ve been a good rocket.
IT DID! IT WAS CALLED THE SPACE SHUTTLE!

>>12745317
Paul Blart: Space Mall Cyber Cop

>>12745289
>I'm curious what the scale is. Could be hundreds of meters wide or a few feet.
Measuring by the "ceiling":
Length (long side): around 160 meters
Width (widest point): around 50 meters

If I was more paranoid, I'd say the ratio comes close to Pi. Probably a coincidence due to the shape.
As for the "door", it is harder to tell because of the angle, but I estimate that it is between 15 and 25 meters tall.

Rig renovations looking to be more expensive than anticipated?

>>12745342
Perhaps the "door" is just a landslide, but that top looks bizarrely flat. It nearly resembles what a future human colony could resemble from us dumping regolith over it to block radiation.

And what's with that odd looking spot at the bottom left of the formation?

Im scared bros

>>12745338
>staring Rich Evans

>>12744074
Homemade Documentaries Youtube Channel

>>12745356
>building a rocket launch/landing platform out of old oil drillers, along with related infrastructure
bet it costs more than the entire ss program to date.

>>12745317
Man sometimes I walk around my Uni and I think “oh this would be really cool if it was a Mars or Moon base.” I do the same with office buildings. Back when it was really snowing hard I’d go to the lounge area in my dorm on the bottom floor and I’d look out the window at the snow and think “You know this building would make a great colony base.”

Anyhow I think pics like pic related are cozy as hell.

>>12745338
>Paul Blart: Space Mall Cyb3r Cop
>>12745393
>staring Dwayne Johnson

>>12745460
>Starring Honey Gold

>>12743764
>According to the reddit AMA
JFC
>they are surprised the descent stage diverted left
No they weren't. It was an intended maneuver to avoid the back plate with parachute.
If someone on r*ddit said "we don't know why it did that" they obviously aren't part of the team who designed it.

>>12743722
Realistically, in a world where SLS flew in 2017, how would things be different?

>>12745108
Lori Garver on suicide watch. Send her some of her own quotes to cheer her up.

>>12745356
Hopefully Starlink will provide a substantial source of income if its gonna cost a lot to do up these rigs.

>>12744987
>

>>12745474
Sorry it’s too late, we’ve already found her body, she slit her wrists. Unfortunately, the authorities were able to locate and restrain Eric Berger before he hung himself.

>>12745014
This is launching from New Zealand. You're confusing it with CAPSTONE, which will launch from Virginia.

>>12745511
This one is a worse offender

>>12745560
>>12744987
>that's supposed to be erosion
https://youtu.be/PINKOfupKRM

>>12743939
The downward camera had high magnification. Will be utterly useless from here on out because of that.

>>12743042
Canyons are the best place to look for life besides the underground. As such nobody will touch there out of fear of contaminating.

How will Thunderf00t cope when SpaceX is landing Starships on the surface of Mars?

>>12745560
RE-COLONIZING THE MARTIAN PYRAMIDS

>>12745652
>SpaceX Mars landing: BUSTED
>"but they haven't taken in the fact, that Mars actually doesn't exist"

/sfg/ challenge to make the best Mars photo booth pic.

>>12745560
this looks almost exactly like an open-pit mine

>>12745665
Pretty sure it's a mountain

>>12745652
>dcx did this 30 years ago!

>>12745665
>>12745672
Yeah, it is not a hole.

>>12745675
Did he actually say that? DCX never existed Lmao

>>12745683
In every single video where he shits on spacex, he brings up the subscale demonstrator that did a few hops. In the last one he also showed cgi of it while neglecting to tell his retarded audience that its not real footage, then he shows the LEM and says "and i prefer rockets that land and actually do something", not realizing the hypocrisy of just 10 seconds praising dcx test flights, over falcon 9, which is a rocket that lands and actually does something.

The first aeroplane glide slope ILS landing was in the 1920s; really SpaceX hasn’t done anything new desu

>>12745675
When it comes to his SpaceX argument it’s retarded as shit man. DCX didn’t do what Falcon 9 did even the damn thing flew to like a few hundred feet.

>>12745705
the chinese were launching rockets a thousand years ago. how does spacex even begin to compete?

>>12745706
nah man, just say "yeah, no, that's been done" in the most condescending voice possible and you can ignore the facts

>>12743722
I saw a video (I think Robert Zubrin was in it) where the narrator compared the first humans going to Mars as being similar to the first humans to take the trek out of Africa hundreds of thousands of years ago. I don’t know why but the idea of people who’ve been dead for millennia and having been los to time making their voyage really moved me. Humans never really changed, have they?

Not to get all Isaac Awfuh on everyone but imagine humanity 200,000 years from now. Will they remember the first people to go to Mars?

>>12745709
the pterosaur first flew 235,000,000 years ago. are spacex even trying?

>>12745717
Man, Musk really is cringe sometimes.

>>12745356
There's no way that even building them from scratch would've been more expensive than SLS development.

>>12745720
Zero soul

>>12745717
>Will they remember the first people to go to Mars
Only if they're made to. On the plus side, giant statues should be slightly easier to build there, right? Alternatively just carve the faces of the first 1000 colonists along the inner wall of Mariner Valley in Mt. Rushmore scale.

>>12745709
Theia landed 2,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons on Earth and put 73,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons in orbit, over 4 billion years ago. SpaceX cannot compete.

>>12745731
>73,000,000,000,000,000,000
oof
elon musk will be crying

>>12745731
Fusion was invented 13.4 billion years ago. Why doesn’t Musk have it now? Hack fraud.

at the beginning of time the big bang put 10^53kg in all space time everywhere. thunderbox 1, spacex 0.

>>12745739
Why did it do that? Seems like a mistake if you ask me.

>>12745739
Holy shit...and it costed $0/kg...SpaceX is over

>roughly 68% of the universe is dark energy. dark matter makes up about 27%. the rest - everything on earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5% of the universe
the so called "starship" can't even carry dark energy let alone observe it. sls can.

>>12745749
>it costed $0/kg
Hey hold on, those servers aren't cheap.
t. 4th dimensional simulation manager

>>12745750
when you put it that way, it starting to look like SPACEX BUSTED. hack fraud musk cant compete

>>12745750
>roughly 68% of the universe is dark energy. dark matter makes up about 27%. the rest - everything on earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5% of the universe
Are they sure it's not just a rounding error? I don't think most reality is made of mystery-meat.

>>12745750
>modern physicists posit the existence of undetectable wumbo jumbo to patch up the holes in their models

>>12745291
Thats a blast from the past. Remember this being around years back

>>12745757
The effects are observable, the cause isn't. Gravity is the same way yet we don't call it "dark flow" or something so people don't get up in arms about it.

>>12745756
>>12745757
we're now going down a rabbit hole far more interesting than some basedaboya's youtube channel.

>>12745757
>>12745756
Dark Energy and Dark Matter are literally just “unobtabium” but with a modernized name. No one knows what they are or even if they’re exist a lot of scientists think that within a hundred years it’ll be an obsolete theory

>>12745763
>The effects are observable, the cause isn't.
If it isn't observable, it's not scientific.

>Gravity is the same way
Gravity is caused by mass-energy.

what are the implications of dark energy/matter?

Hey if Tesla stock continues to crash Elon might take Starlink public sooner.

What now racist chuds?

>>12745773
wudbang

>>12745773
There is nothing wrong with immigration. It gave us Musk. Illegal immigration is bad tho

>>12745770
Nothing. Dark energy is more like a law of nature, as it does not dilute away when volume increases or as time passes.

Dark matter only interacts via gravity so there's no real applications there.

>>12745776
>There is nothing wrong with immigration. It gave us Musk.
Yes, white-only immigration could be beneficial.

>>12745773
Nice, good for her! All namefags should be shot on sight!

>>12745768
Our best model for gravity only explains it as "warping spacetime" which is essentially an inexplicable phenomenon which happens to work in the math. Also, "dark matter" and "dark energy" are both terms for the effect, they do not attempt to describe the cause.

>>12745777
is there any hope to harness either (or gravity, or time) for useful human purposes or are we just creatures stuck in our 3 dimensional meat sacks?
>t. obviously not a physicist

>>12745786
>harness gravity energy
Like a watermill?

>>12745786
>any hope to harness either
Common answer is we can't know yet, but I'd say probably not.

>>12745773
Notice that it's only the caucasian immigrants who actually succeed.

>>12745790
We will eventually use dark energy to create new universes for us to expand into

>>12745773
Good for her! Everyone on the team should be proud

>>12745763
dark succ
>>12745766
>Dark Energy and Dark Matter are literally just “unobtabium” but with a modernized name.
No, unobtanium is the thing that 60's based engineers drew into the specs for their mach 8 turboramjet fighter planes and paper machines. Unobtanium is a stand-in for a material that can do all the things perfectly (infinite strength, infinite heat resistance, infinite hardness, infinite toughness, etc etc. Basically what CAD models are made from.)
Dark matter should really be called dark mass, because it's basically mass that doesn't interact with light except through gravitational lensing and doesn't undergo significant nuclear reactions (otherwise it would not remain as diffuse as it is).
Dark energy should just be called anomalous accelerated expansion. Because that's what it is. Universe is apparently expanding, the rate of expansion is apparently accelerating, and we don't have a mechanism for that in the standard theory so it's anomalous.
DM and DE are either grand scale statistical measurement errors that persist no matter what we have thrown at them so far, OR they are real effects. If they are real effects, then something is causing them. Every explanation deeper than that doesn't have any actual evidence to support them except for null result stuff (for example we don't see dense dark matter clouds, therefore any theories of dark matter that allow significant self-interaction are probably incorrect).

>>12745768
>The effects are observable, the cause isn't.
>If it isn't observable, it's not scientific.
anon disproves quarks with this one weird trick, physicists HATE him

>>12745792
A lot of Hispanics are literally just while people who speak Spanish.

>>12745786
Who knows. Maybe.

>>12745773
She has a third nipple (looks like a mole but it's not, it's actually a very common thing).
>>12745786
Simply re-energize the inflaton field and collapse it into particle-wash once it reaches a large enough volume that you are doing better than break-even on energy input (only takes 10^10^-47 seconds)

Chosen undead.... seek the souls of lords.... on mars......

>>12745794
>Use dark energy to expand the space inside a cavity and push on a piston.
Internal dark energy expansion powered V8 engines when?

>>12745823
Rekindling Olympus Mons when?

>>12745816
Instructions unclear, triggered vacuum collapse and re-started the universe

>>12745823
OOOOOHHHH

>>12745805
No proof quarks exist. It's just a model

>>12745835
>re-started the universe
It's for the best really, this one's too big

>>12743722
>Perseverance Rover Cost: $2.4 Billion
>Perseverance + Curiosity + Europa Clipper cost: $8 Billion
>Starship development Cost: $8.6 Billion
What?

We would not have these problems if we kept the understanding that instrumentalist science, is, well, instrumental, and not about ontology.
Scientific realism and instrumentalism seem to have been merged in the worst of manners. Particularly in the context of popsci. It's become normal to talk about mathematical objects as if they were some sort of humanly tangible corpuscules.
This is what "scientism" does. Well, one of the things.

>>12745841
Same goes for DEEZ NUTZ

>>12745844
>sudo apt-get instal matter
>0.001%>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oh god

>>12745853
many of us (including myself) struggle with abstract mathematical concepts so attempt to visualise them into physical terms we can deal with. does it make us dumb? yes. but scientists using terms like dark whatever doesn't really help, it implies something physical that could be interacted with, hence the misunderstanding.

>>12745750
>He thinks the cosmological 'constant' is constant

>>12745875
there is only one constant. the space launch system. when all the stars die and the black holes fade away there will just be the one orange tank.

>>12745868
There is nothing wrong with visualizing. I just meant that we must stay aware of what the scope of science is, and what it really means to "know" or observe something.

Was there any word on why yesterday's attempted static fire got scrubbed? I presume they'll try again today.

>>12745883
Elon announced yesterday that they will be stopping all Starship development until Q2 2021

>>12745895
Elon tweeted last night that your mom was a disappointing lay.

>>12745868
Dark energy is observable as the net red shifting effect of galactic drift, dark matter is observable as the effect of excess mass where you wouldn't expect it (eg gravitational lensing showing the mass concentration diverging from the matter concentration in a collision as shown). We interact with them as much as anything, but the effects aren't relevant at our scales. Could say the same of neutrinos which are definitely objectively verifiable.

>>12745883
why do you think they'll try again? they're probably so embarrassed they'll never make another attempt

>>12745902
>an effect with an unknown cause is actually caused by a made up thing

>>12745916
Everything I described was the objective, observed, effect. Describing the cause is a completely different matter, worthy of wasting a PHD thesis on not a 4chan post.