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>>12741162It'll hop this week! (hopefully)
>>12741162When are those high quality pics from Perseverance rolling in?
>>12741175when the Hollywood film studios re-open
Does anyone else have this weird sense of unease from reality in general that is most intensified by outer space? It's straight Cthulhu shit out there
>>12741182It gets worse when you see the supernova gif as three dimensional
>>12741182Maybe a bit, but it also feels depressing that we are confined to this star system and will realistically never venture beyond that in our lifetimes
>>12741162SNIFF SNIFF, I WISH ZUBRIN WOULD GET HIS OWN THREAD IMAGE, THE MAN BEING HELD DOWN BY FAGGOT OP AFTER FAGGOT OP
>>12741175Renderfarms at full fucking tilt bro, they currently keeping mission control Houston warm and cozy.
>>12741196Fix your damn comb over first
>>12741196Oof that hairline
>>12741197Couldn't they also just render the ayys also in? It would be much more exciting desu.
>>12741196i want to run my fingers through his greasy blades of grass
>>12741162Post comfy spaceflight pictures
>>12741182Not really, more like the crazy shit happening here on earth makes me long to venture the solar system to get as far away from it as possible. The madness of ancient space gods has nothing on this bullshit down here.>>12741190Why not try and settle this already massive solar system before we think about anything further than that?
>>12741190Maybe not, but I think the planets we can access are bizarre as well. The very premise of walking around on the surface of some distant rock, which has never before been seen by eyes from this perspective (we assume), is somehow discomforting, in addition to the expected sensation of wonder. If I had to do the nightshift in some boring post on Mars I'd probably become terrified. Sometimes I like the visualize the world around me in purely scientistic terms, as a bunch of atoms jiggling about together operating in ways we imagine we understand, but that's just a coping mechanism.
>>12741206they did. didnt you see the rock? 8^)
>>12741162I was thinking about Elon’s plan to light three Raptors then downselect to two. Anyhow if the two Raptors they use are on the “bottom” then all is fine but I don’t know how’s they be able to flip the vehicle if they had one “bottom” and one “top” Raptor because in that case the thrust is off axis. How do they flip it in the same direction?
>>12741211I don't like civilization much at the moment, but it's nevertheless an island amidst "black seas of infinity", and I feel the world we inhabit seems somehow more familiar and comfortable because it's been traversed for countless generations by my ancestors before me. Both man and earlier forms. Beyond that, it's a completely alien and foreign world, hiding god knows what from us.
>>12741206Did someone say ayys?
>>12741162>”Miguel the flap is stuck”>”Just kick it dude”
>>12741226Wow the absolute state of the “most advanced” Mars rocket
>>12741226>yeah guys>this is the gateway to marsthunderf00t bouta bust you spacex stans into part 3
>>12741235>>12741229Imagine not wanting native Americans to get internet. Racist bigots
Latest Inspiration4 crew!https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1363833023419084800
>>12741239For a second I thought they were sending a cancer patient and I was like “Bro wtf?”
>>12741217Isn't this literally the same mentality that people had before international sea travel became commonplace?
>>12741235Low key I used to be a shit sniffing atheist like hippy wannabe athletesf00t. then I grew up. seems like Phil Mason out scrounging for relevance as usual. >>12741237KEK>>12741239AWOOOOOGAA, is she on instagram?
>>12741239Cute!
>boeing 747 spilled its guts in netherlands tooStarliner bros...
>>12741252>is she on instagramof course she is! few women can resist flaunting themelves online my man!
>>12741239How high are they going?
>>12741258>ITS OVER
>>12741258doesnt it seem a little too coincidental? I love shitting on boeing as much as the next guy, but maybe there are state actors involved here
>the new thunderf00l video>"dcx totally did this 20 years ago guys">actually shows cgi without telling anyoneholy shit
>>12741258>After that incident, Boeing recommended airlines suspend operations of certain older versions of its 777 airliner powered by Pratt & Whitney 4000-112 engines, variants currently flown by five airlines.
>>12741244Distant lands you know very little about have always been viewed as exotic and strange.
>>12741271I’m 90% sure Thunderf00t doesn’t actually hate SpaceX but he knows it gets him views so he does it. He also probably dislikes Musk so he just finds stupid shit to say if it validates his worldview
>>12741235If you think SpaceX fans are cringe, wait till you meet the Tesla fans
>>12741196Don’t worry, Musk and Zubrin are gonna be the rulers of Mars and they’re both gonna try every conceivable way to keep us out of it so our crazy bullshit doesn’t accidentally destroy Martian civilization
>>12741214The third one can still gimbal in the right direction, it shouldn't matter.>>12741239Rad-hardened tradwife astronaut
>>12741268>doesnt it seem a little too coincidental? I love shitting on boeing as much as the next guy, but maybe there are state actors involved here> Air travel is unsafe, we need to go back to the stone age to save muh environmentsis kind of what I was thinking. Or somebody has a large bet on P&W shares falling. The odds against this affecting the same engine maker hours apart have to be absolutely enormous
>I'm going to be at work during the perseverance video dropFUCK hopefully they have ~30 minutes of ZOMG zoomer padding where they talk about diversity and try to hype it up like a video game reveal. I'll be able to tune in after that
>>12741239BASED, Jared Isaacman is saving spaceflight. He is sacrificing a small amount of money to make sure no one can shit talk commercial space being "for muh whites"
>>12741162
>>12741340There are tens of thousands of airliners flying hundreds of thousands of hours every day, with P&W being one of three suppliers that make all the engines. Two failures in one day, both being P&W, isn't remotely odd.
Will there be skinwalkers on Mars
>>12741229>not spending six months to design a custom flap calibrator tool>not milling the tool out of a solid block of aerospace-grade Al-Li>not having a green run test of the flap calibrator>not spending a week to slowly adjust the flap calibration to avoid damage to the only flight model>not throwing away the tool because it was never rated for more than one flap calibration, because that wasn't in the specNGMI
>>12741280>He also probably dislikes Muskthe discovery of the century
>>12741368>Get on mars ship with 100 people>101 get off
>>12741214If only they had some other way to make it flip than by using the raptors. Maybe with jets of a cold gas or something.
>>12741220>play XCOM one>absolutely dominate and kill everything, every mission successful, almost never loose squadmates, game is still challenging but possible to win>play XCOM 2>get fucking rekt in every mission, loose people constantly, have completely inadequate weapons and armor in 90% of missionsWhat the fuck am I doing wrong?
>>12741373Must have been a stowaway!
>>12741290Yeah for real>>12741370>>12741237Lmao I was just having a go, but in all honesty I hope the final version of SS still requires ghetto fixes like having to climb up there and give the flap a swift kick. It feels very soviet to me. I'd rather have a rugged ship that needs a tune up than a milled-out multi billion dollar rolex watch that breaks from one grain of dust in the actuating motor or something
I don't pay any attention to commercial aviation because why would I, what's all this about 747s breaking left and right all of a sudden? Didn't they just start flying again like a year ago after the pajeet code nodedive issue?
>>12741389SN5 sat through a hurricane and lived to hop a few days later. These things are tough
>>12741373Literally the plot of Red Mars lmao
>>12741243>For a second I thought they were sending a cancer patient and I was like “Bro wtf?”The Make a Wish Foundation is stepping up their game lol
>>12741377If they only actuated the flaps it would flip. If they only used cold gas it would flip. The problem is not the ability to flip, it's that if you don't flip FAST then the Starship will accelerate due to gravity and therefore require a longer rocket engine burn to bring the velocity back down to zero, which means more propellant.
>>12741280>He also probably dislikes MuskThat's his driving force of hate against SpaceX
>>12741373https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwc5htG1R8
>>12741311>The third one can still gimbal in the right direction, it shouldn't matter.Same direction, yes, but the orientation of the ship due to its flaps puts two of the raptors much closer to the side that is "down" while in freefall such that they have more effect on the SS as a whole while flipping. The third one will certainly work, but it will need more thrust to have the same effect on the body because of its location.They will just need to tweak the thrust vectoring to account for which raptors are used.
>>12741427>sh*ttle can barely survive reentry from LEO >sh*ttle coming back from the Moon can survive reentryThis show seems beyond retarded
>>12741363I'm well aware that randomness gives rise to clusters, but two spectacular failures of derivatives of the same engine type within hours? At the least it's worthy of attention, which is what regulators etc seem to think
>>12741436It's piloted by French ace Charles Aznavour
>>12741405>SN5 sat through a hurricane and livedConsidering the speed a rocket pushes through the atmosphere when going to space, a Cat5 hurricane is small peanuts. If something got thrown at it, like some metal or concrete debris, then yeah, I'd be a bit more impressed.Not saying the Starships are weak, but I feel that's a bad point.
Can we expect to get ayy lmao pictures from the rover?
>>12741239>Sending cancer survivor to spaceFucking kek. So let me get this right. Cancer patients who are in remission can have their cancer spontaneously come back at literally any time in their life, and their goal is to send a cancer survivor into space? LMAO.
>>12741448a rocket indeed endures higher dynamic pressures, but take in account that during ascent it keeps almost a 0 degrees angle of attack all the time.
>>12741280Why does thunderf00t hate the letter X so much?>VenomfangX>XX chromosomes>Space XSeriously what the fuck is his problem
>>12741458oh man VenomFang
>>12741437Sure, it's a sign the engine could be flawed. Or it could be that two planes could be independently poorly maintained with the rest being coincidence. The point is that it is sufficiently probable that invoking conspiracy is ridiculous.
>>12741466I think that's called hiding in plane sight
>>12741454Kek
>>12741454And?
>>12741258I like how /dbs/ culture has become a staple everywhere, even here.
>SN10 might go into testing this weekQUICK INTO POSITIONS
>>12741454the misson only lasts 5 days, cancer coming back doesn't instakill you and you likely wouldn't know if for a long time after it does come back.
>>12741475April it is.
>>12741471>>12741466Guys don’t worry the 777’s engines are development engines. We were fooling to not use a third engine during flight.
>>12741488Checked
>>12741499Checked
>>12741488>>12741499>>12741514>inb4 hop day is April 1stELON YOU CAN'T
>>12741454Not just that but she looks about 12. Or was she 12 when she had cancer? Whatevs, it were me I would want to be respected for my achievements not for being a defective specimen. Have to say I don't see how this crap ends well for the West. Its a civilisational dead end
>>12741524>my achievementsNot dying to chemotherapy is pretty good, but I hear your point too anon.
>>12741524>omg a cancer patient got to go to outer space, my civilization is dying
>>12741174>wingscringe
>>12741162>”The ArianeWorks team tested the 1st elements of the future Themis demonstrator in 2020. After the studies came the time for the 1st tests: the project is gaining momentum in 2021, when the # innovation accelerator has entered its 2nd phase.”
>>12741488>1488April 20th it is then
>>12741451Please feed my ayy lmao fixation (delusions)
>>12741524How can one anon be such a faggot
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNGGGGG!!!https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/boeing-recommends-grounding-777s-with-pratt-whitney-engines/
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1363879308956209159>Hearing rumors that the second SLS core stage hot fire test will not occur this week. Was scheduled for February 25.ohnonono
>>12741549Was that the test they hastily slapped together after the 8 minute hot fire turned out to be more of a 2 minute hot fire?>>12741545Oh no
>>12741528>>12741544If you can't see there's an agenda behind all of this, and one that doesn't end well for spaceflight in general, I pity you
>>12741545
>>12741551Anyway.
>>12741553>Everything is an agenda>Even a cancer patient going to space because she won a raffleWhat a sad life you must live
>>12741553I know what you're saying but think about it for a minute: This is purely a PR flight to begin with, sending up a former cancer kid is specifically designed to try and get more people interested in flying to space, in a "wow you mean even defectives can into space?" sort of way.If it results in more public interest/demand for spaceflight then GOOD. I wouldn't put cancer-girl on a moon mission or anything but orbit and back for PR is fine.
>>12741209mmmmmmmmmmhmmm ... midimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidi
>>12741581https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnT1VgeXOF0
>>12741524>Have to say I don't see how this crap ends well for the West. Its a civilisational dead endIt's literally a form of ritual humiliation imposed upon us by the (((people))) who set cultural trends.
http://www.boeing.com/principles/values.page>begin reading as if satire>check link>actual company website
TFR IS ALSO POSTED FOR THURSDAY, HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE
>>12741590I really wonder what is wrong with peoples brains that a PR stunt is somehow ritual humiliation. Just don't tune into the livestream, or just close your eyes LMAO,
>>12741454On the bright side, we will have a little more data on how irradiation in LEO affects those already prone to developing cancers.
>>12741604the forbidden corium beanbag
>>12741545RELIABLE NASA PARTNER
>>12741606Hadn't considered that angle but yeah, that'd actually be some useful data to have. All cancer-survivor Dragon2 crew when? I'd say put them on Starliner but they already survived cancer and dying in space would be sad after that.
>>12741604> The Tiqqun text summarized this acquiescent citizen as the “Young-Girl”. The descriptor has met with objections for its alleged misogyny. But it applies to men as well as to women, and to the old as well as to the young, only seeking to capture the defining characteristics that make the populations of twenty-first century democracies so ripe for control.These characteristics are: infantilisation, emotionalization, and relativisation. The Young-Girl, as model citizen of modern democracies, is childlike, sentimental, and eminently prepared to relinquish heretofore absolute values.
>>12741618
>>12741617>OUR NEW BOEING 777>Lose yourself in the pacific
>>12741624>"If you can't lose yourself, you'll be sure to lose your lunch"
>>12741617>it's not a 777>it's not even a boeinggoddammit
>>12741624>lose your engine in an explosion of epic proportions
>>12741565
>Boeing engines start ripping apart in-flight>Boeing stock is up 1% todayNothing really matters I guess.
>>12741589>tfw the future is high pitch, high frequence...
>>12741618This is what kids in high school debate clubs think intelligence sounds like
>>12741659I never thought about it before but I wonder what the people behind the show did to capture that Jetsons' car sound, it's got to be recorded from something originally regardless of what tuning they did after. Like the Star Wars guns being high tension wires struck with a pipe, I'd bet the Jetsons' car sound is something entirely mundane that you wouldn't expect.
>>12741258Dude, that 747 was three decades old cargo plane from motherfucking Bermudas
>>12741664most animation sounds are supposed to be made with baloons, you could also probably record birbs chirping, isolate one and then dick around with the frequency and stuff.
>>12741661It's a French theory
>>12741381XCOM 2 is supposed to be a much steeper difficulty. It forces you to think to make sure you take the least-bad option from the bunch, which usually means you save 1-2 people from Chryssalids at best.
>>12741688So?
>>12741688Ah, the French
>>12741695So your presumed response was a bit weak
>>12741261A few days in orbit
>>12741703I'll look for a french theory to address your concerns, hold on
>>12741704Thanks, but I meant LEO or higher. Already found it on their website.
>>12741702lmao, lol
I wonder how the dearMoon guy feels about Inspiration4. Weird that Musk would upsell him on Starship when he was ready to ride a Dragon and then send a mission before him on a Dragon.
>>12741743dearMoon was originally a Falcon Heavy and Dragon lunar free return trajectory. It just turned out it would take only a little longer and almost no change in cost to Maezawa to be able to perform the mission with Starship.
>>12741753I know, but being the first all-civilian space expedition is a pretty big deal and he likely had that in mind when he became a super early client.
>>12741757If he cared that much about "first X" he would have signed up for a strictly LEO cuckpod. Actually dearmoon is still going to collect a bunch of firsts anyway, who cares
Hour and a half until JPL talks at us againSeems they really did hoard pics/video for todayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYQwuYZbA6o
>>12741174I wonder what are they going to do if it turns out to be a fundamentally bad design
>>12741757I mean...>couple porthole window>LEO>4 people in a single room>short tripvs>THE Window™>long trip>moon flyby>multiple levels, probably some type of personal bunk w/ curtain
>>12741823>fundamentally bad designHow so? It flies up, it flips onto side and back, Falcons exist so propulsive landings are possible. Is re-entry your concern?
Vulcan pathfinder first stage on the move, though not to the pad yet.https://www.ulalaunch.com/explore/blog-detail/blog/2021/02/22/vulcan-centaur-pathfinder-goes-vertical-for-next-testing-phase
>>12741853not him but my biggest concern is the huge dry mass. if it doesn't turn out to be as cheap as claimed (which is very likely) and still needs 6 refueling trips, then any ideas of cost savings go right out the window
>>12741280unironically want to smell his f00t
>>12741871It’s too bad BE-4 kept shitting the bed or else they could’ve flown sooner
>>12741882You are delusional if you think it will cost 2 billion to do the refueling. And even then you would still have 100t+ capacity to anywhere.
Musk will still get to Mars on Starship even if it somehow costs $2 bil per launch. Also if he can get it reliable enough to never explode, at least on the way up (which should be fucking easy), NASA will still be willing to send shit into space like larger telescopes and payloads and stuff
>>12741882Starship costs around $100 Million to build. $2 Million per Raptor, and apparently the SN1 prototype cost $10 Million. Anyhow from there you can guesstimate that Starship is cheap as fuck to manufacture
>>12741908He might be a rich man but he is not stupid.
>>12741175Just google "e621 krystal" to find all of them
>>12741908Starship will cost 200 mil. per launch. calling it now
>>12741196I always wonder why balding people don't just shave their head. It would look so much cooler.
>>12741239>gets cancer again from all the radiation
>MUH hypernormalization
>>12741175Under an hour until the presentation now, anon.
Bets on how cringe this presentation is about to be?
>>12741853My main concern is that the rocket is big which can affect its integrity.Monolithic constructions are prone to failure and this is one of the main reasons Soyuz is still used up to this day.The size defeats the entire concept of reusability - small components are cheap to produce and easily replaceable, big components are expensive.I think with these materials orbital assembly would be a better choice.
>>12741942I pretty much tune out all the voices and just look at the pictures.
>>12741908>Also if he can get it reliable enough to never explode, at least on the way up (which should be fucking easy), NASA will still be willing to send shit into space like larger telescopes and payloads and stuffThis is pretty much already the reality. Expendable mode doesn't even need landing or heat shield figured.
Short, easy riddle:[math]x = \frac{GM}{r^2} - \frac{v_t^2}{r}[/math]What can this formula be useful for?Terms are the standard, for a given gravity source (GM is the gravitational parameter, r the distance from the center). As for v_t, that is supposed to be the tangential velocity.
>>12741946>The size defeats the entire concept of reusability - small components are cheap to produce and easily replaceable, big components are expensive.It took how many F9s before people were launched on top of it? Would you fly on it now as opposed when it was constantly blowing up? Same here.
>>12741906>You are delusional if you think it will cost 2 billion to do the refuelingnever claimed that lolbut it would be enough if everything adds up to lets say 50 million per launch. that would mean 300 million per mission which as you said would still be good for a 100 ton payload
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYQwuYZbA6oThey're going to show the video already
/sfg/ what's your opinion about the leader of Biden's NASA transition team promoting commercial nuclear power for space?http://anstd.ans.org/NETS-2019-Papers/Track-3--Space-Nuclear-Policy/abstract-54-0.pdf
>Boeing 747-400 engine vomited its guts in Netherlands Wtf i thought P&W was supposed to be the pinnacle of american aviation?!
>>12741982It's encouraging that the biden admin isn't going to abandon commercial projects. we need more competition like commercial crew if we're going to get to mars
>>12741982I hope they’re not jewing us because affordable space nuclear power would make space activity so much easier
>>12741982>commercial nuclear power for space?Real question: who's going to dispose radioactive waste created in the process?I hope they won't just throw radioactive shit into the atmosphere.
Post your ideas for Martian wonders>BiodromeA ~5km crater roofed with a massive geodesic dome paraterraformed with a full complex ecosystem inside where plants, animals and people can live in safety and to study the effects of Martian gravity on wild organisms Each panel would be a large, prefab polycarbonate/aerogel sandwich with outer steel rods ready to be assembled, atmosphere is pumped in and changed to where the biological components can survive and create an earth-like atmosphere on its ownUltrasonic fences can be programmed to target certain animals to steer them away from certain areas as to not let one species outcrowd the others and to protect human frequented paths as they visit this Martian national park
>>12742009a very high parking orbit, an orbit around the sun that does not intersect with earth, buried in a crater on the Moon or Mars. It ain't coming home.>>atmospherereactor start will almost certainly not be permitted until a stable orbit has been reached.
>>12741946Bigger rockets are objectively better rockets because of the square-cube law
>>12742027Can we please have crazy shit like giant bugs and dinosaurs?
>>12742027>dragged off trail by bobcat that figured out you're far less heavy than you appear for some reason
>>12742027we find a buried glacier and melt holes in it. Hell, we don't even need to melt them, just blow in air from the martian surface and sublimate the ice away. We can construct a huge tunnel system in the ice. We put some inflatable habs in. We also reinforce some of the ice tunnels, pressurize them and build all sorts of winter sport facilities. Ice skating rinks, bob sled runs, luge runs, ski slopes, and more.
>>12742027>>12742060how much FIDSI do they produce?
LIVEhttps://youtu.be/gYQwuYZbA6o
NASA is live:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYQwuYZbA6o
Hi guys, I'm just here to remind you that I used to work for NASA.
What's the planet nine gravity discrepancy, exactly?
>>12742079>"Welcome to NA- er, JPL"lmao
>>12742060>we find a buried glacier and melt holes in it100% a fucking horror movie plot
>>12742079>>12742082Wtf why are there so many males on the panel?
>All engineers are white males
>>12742089petition for JPL to become the fourth branch of government
>>12742079>>12742082needs more diversity
>Inb4 15 minute circlejerk about the team before data is shown
>>12742097Except chinese guy?
>>12742071Lol
>>12742044>Bigger rockets are objectively better rockets because of the square-cube lawIf you say so. I wasn't aware of this law, I'm not an engineer and I know shit about physics.Why aren't planes bigger then?
>>12741982frankly I think it's going to be harmful to human exploration by providing a "just around the corner" solution to problems that aren't really problems like the travel time to Mars while being consistently 10 years away for the next 50 years. It's like how nuclear has been cucked by the mere suggestion that fusion might exist sometime soon.
>>12742087That video of him watching the Rover landing was so weird looking.
>MUH JPL HISTORY
>binged watch a 1 min videohow do they do it?
Will NASA give any data from the mars landing to SpaceX or will they need to buy it?
>>12742097>>12742101>the one woman doesn't even get to sit at the tablekek
>>12742110it's more because these things would require billions in funding. as long as congress keeps avoiding raising the budget these things will be 10 years away
>I'll try to be brief>My daughter is a gymnast...fucking hell
>>12742121SpaceX will probably share some of it like they have with the F9 stage reentry data
>>12742112Amphetamine jitters. Only way to work there.
>>12741602Odds it actually flies this week?
>>12742088The idea is that many trans-neptunium objects have orbital characteristics that seem to indicate the presence of a massive body interacting with them, essentially
>I want to be brief>Tells his life's history
>>12742027this hole but with a tarp thrown over it. that's my house.
>>12741961CAM OON /sfgee/ we never do any math or physics, not even high school level like the one in this post.Now I will add a variable to the formula, m, for the mass of the small object[math]\displaystyle x = \frac{GMm}{r^2} - \frac{mv_t^2}{r}[/math]And I will also say the following, it expands the question but gives even more information:[math]\displaystyle y = \sin^{-1}\frac{x}{mF}[/math]Where F is a force.Or putting it all together:[math]\displaystyle y = \sin^{-1}\frac{\frac{GMm}{r^2} - \frac{mv_t^2}{r}}{mF}[/math]
Holy shit YT chat is cancer
Who's this old fart and why should we care about his life story?
>>12742124lol
>>12742106
>>12742131W-what's down there anon>>12742134First time?
What's all this cockery? Show us the video finally.
>can land on Mars>can't stream video in 1080p
>>12742139>W-what's down there anonme beating the meat to jpl waifus.
>>12741936What?
VIDEOS SOOONVIDEO SOONVIDEOS SOOONhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYQwuYZbA6o&
>>12742142they know they have a captive audience
Jim would have told them to cut the BS
>>12741692>*literally teleports behind you*
>>12742147Reminder to all travelers: Anon's Martian Masterbatorium is to be given a 2km-wide berth under Martian Law
>>12742152+ Audio
what the fuck, how are they getting that amount of downlink? I thought DSN bandwidth was trash
Ayyyy lmaoo
>no audioSAD!
WHY NO AUDIO?
>>12742163They have like 4 orbiters around Mars right now relaying data, way more than before
POST YOUR REACTION
>>12742169
This is actually really cool when you think about it
Holy shit
pretty cool
>there he goes!lol
>>12742050>Tfw buggalo rancher
That was fucking awesome
>no flamesAND THEY EXPECT US TO BELIEVE THIS
That was pretty fucking cool indeed.
>>12742152make a webm someone plz
fucking awesome
>>12742169>No Audio
>>12741162America numba 1 god bless JPL freeedom ain’t free
>color commentator>is the only person of color on the panelBased JPL
>>12742187Yes, as we all know, there's an abundance of excess oxidizer in the martian atmosphere to create flaming plumes, just like in the lunar atmosphere.
>>12741650not a boing engine
the same density as what?
FREEZEZOOMENHANCE
>>12742193in the raw footage upload. normies need to hear mission control to understand what is happening
>>12742204Oak wood
>Tango DeltaYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET that sky crane got the fuck outta there
I forgive them for delaying the pictures.
>>12742110ISRU needs lots of power. That's hard to provide with solar.
>>12742209ah. cool.
>>12742208he said the EDL didn't capture any audio
>>12742211Imagine if it had tried to land itself afterwards, the rover could go check it out afterwards instead of just examining the crash site.
Is the parachute the weakest link here?
>>12742109>If you say so. I wasn't aware of this law, I'm not an engineer and I know shit about physics.It’s often brought up in discussions of the real-life feasibility of giant people or animals. Basically just the fact that an increase in an object’s surface area is always outpaced by an increase in that object’s volume, as in, the surface area gets squared, but the volume is cubed. For example, doubling the surface area of a 2x2 cube to that of a 4x4 cube doesn’t double the volume of the cube, it’s volume (and thus weight) increases by much more than that, or a humanoid which is twice the height of a normal human also necessarily weighing much more than twice the weight of a normal human. This is advantageous when it comes to launch vehicles because more volume=more propellant-more delta/v.> Why aren't planes bigger then?Aerodynamics and the limitations of of airport infrastructure. Rockets don’t have to worry about drag as much because they’re essentially needles that exit it pretty quickly, nor do rockets rely on lift, whereas planes operate in the atmosphere for their entire lifetime, and rely hugely on lift.
what does the parachute say /sfg/?
did he just say there are secrets in the pattern of the parachute?
SPRING LOOSEITS OVER
>>12742220I used to think it'd be the skycrane itself but that's 2/2 now. The early chute designs ripped but they wind tunnel tested the fuck out of the ones they use now and it seems to do the trick.
>>12742220Ring parachutes are a known factor, the biggest potential fuckup is the crane and wires. Hovering with a fuckload of hypergolic rockets, lowering shit gently on wires then fucking off without damaging a payload is far more technically challenging than just slowing down shit for a bit.
>>12742110“Just around the corner” has been a cause to delay manned missions to Mars since the 60’s. Even Apollo didn’t even think or Mars until they had NERVA. Robert Zubrin tried to eliminate this “just around the corner” mindset with Mars Direct but NASA didn’t care. Anyhow Nuclear Thermal is a meme I don’t care how much you dumbasses try to shill it. Starship can get to mars faster than a NTR orbit because Starship can aerocapture, while NTR has to burn to enter Mars orbit.
That was one of the coolest things I've ever seen ngl. Been waiting on this kind of video from NASA for years
Are there going to be more videos or it's just for landing?
>>12742235I think it's just for the landing
>FAKE
>>12742235more is coming for sure... let's see
The engines are on, goi.
>>12742235I don't see why they couldn't capture some more video while moving the rover around, are there videos from Curiosity's pov of it driving around?
>>12742221>>12742109The surface area-volume imbalance directly translates to a superior dry mass ratio for a bigger rocket, so efficiency scales up with size.With rockets, go big or go home.
>>12742235There will probably be a higher quality version of this video to be downloaded with more time, I think this is thumbnail version
>>12741162>BUT CHINA SENT A VIDEO FROM ORBIT I THOUGHT IT WAS OVER FOR PERSEVERANCE SAVE ME PRESIDENT XI
>Skycrane be all "later homos"
>>12742248>Change the world. My final message. Goodbye
>>12742248>"This place is a shithole, guess I'll just die"
>>12742243None.
>>12742243these cameras were specifically for the landing though. I'm not sure if the other cameras can do high framerate
Anyone got a video of NASA testing some hydrazine engines? Did they test those engines for Curiosity and Mars2020?
So will Perseverance have sex with Curiosity to produce babies?
is that cable broken or is that normal?
>>12742252There is that low framerate interpolated video
>>12742260better view of the random piece of cable bouncing around
>>12742260That's normal, it's not a load bearing cable
>>12742260it's a data tether, not for lifting.
>>12742254I'd hope at least the hazcams could do rough video, just to see the ground rolling by while the rover rolls.>>12742259We can only put them together and hope nature takes its course anon.>>12742264Is that a zip-tie?
IM LAAAAAAAAAAAANDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
>THOUSANDS>OF>IMAGES
>>12742266I mean this one >>12742264 the piece bouncing around
Far right.
>>12742269Also known as videos.
>>12742267>spend billions on R&D to develop specialized instruments for your mars rover>tie your cables with zip ties from walmart
>>12742260>>12742264>>12742267Alright now I’m confused. How come NASA is able to move heaven and earth and do amazing feats with these missions but when it comes to SLS they shit the bed?
damn, that image is crisp. Can't wait for more from that.
>>12742270oh, idk, it does look like a cable tie but i'm sure jpl doesn't cable tie anything.
Center right.
Ground pictures incoming!
>>12742276JPL is better than the rest of NASA, and rocket development is bloated and expensive
>>12742276JPL has their shit together, whoever is responsible for SLS doesn't.
>>12742276Because JPL is based
>herok I hate NASA now
>>12742288I think JPL has always been the no-bullshit branch of NASA
>>12742275Better than buying a $200 ziptie made by a specialty manufacturer in someone's specific district.
>>12742290Nigger all vehicles are female
>>12742295Correct.
>>12742283relatively comfy
>>12742301>percy
>>12742290Homosexual hands typed this
>>12742295Even in the 90’s when NASA had their nuts cut off by Congress, JPL still did a dozen or so amazing missions.>>12742288Is it because SLS development is unfocused? Percy had a clear goal and deadline while SLS is “oh whenever it’s ready :)”
Why is thunderfoot so salty?
I wanna coom inside that qt.
>>12742301Only the ones that have able seamen in them.
Will we get videos from the helicopter? Elon we need starlink for mars
>>12742283>>12742303Those white formations look eerily similar to bones. Cue /x/ freaking out I guess.
>>12742309he's a 30 years old wizard
>>12742071Jej
>>12742309Because every penny spent on NASA/ESA is a penny not spent on whatever bullshit he's not getting grants from the EU anymore.
>>12742276>literal apollo copyFucking retarded
>>12742308Percy uses a 90s computer. It costs more than Curiosity. I thought progress should be exponential? We need a SpaceX-esque transformation for JPL
wait what exactly is this? related to the helicopter? I thought it was some type of sun clock
>>12742326Sun dial to track sun position and time of day
>>12742326alien dildo
Oh oh OH OH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>12742326it's the joycon for the ayylmaos to assume direct control
>>12742326a bop it for when they both get bored.
MICROPHONE
>>12742326Calibration thingy for cameras
I thought they said they didn't get audio? Guy is talking about mics right now
AUDIOAUDIOAUDIO
>>12742327right... I thought it had something to do with Sun and shadow
>>12742326i don't know what the stud is for but other rovers have similar things for calibrating colors
>>12742341They might have audio from after the descent
>>12741458>VenomFangX so much nostalgia
>sob story
>>12742276SLS is chained to the weight that is the shuttle program.
holy shit
composite view of the landing site from the other thread
>>12742346Holy shit imagine if we hear the skycrane impact.
>AY LMAO SOUNDS
NOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK FUCK FUCK
>>12742314the voices just confirmed to me that those are the bones of our martian forefathers
What if they recorded ayy macarena blasting 24/7 on mars?
>>12742323Um space is hard sweetie :)>>12742324The one thing that disappointed me with Percy is that it took 8 years to build and cost just as much as its sister
>wind
>N-MARS NO
the sound of silence
>gentle whirl on the backgroundthere was nothing else?
>>12742275Hey, if it works.
damn percy is a loud girl
>>12742359>[INTENSIFIES]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ISEzLP4tsA
just sounds like earth
Did they say why they couldn't record EDL sound?
Wait so was it supposed to record the descent sounds as well? Did they fuck it up?
that's pretty relaxing desu
did anyone know why they didn't get EDL audio?
>>12742301>vehicles have gendersasuga gender obsessed americans.
>>12742371well wind is wind even if the pressure is lower... what matters is the pressure differential
>mmmmm rogs
>>12742378Bruh ships abs vehicles have been female since the 1400s. I guess Germans are fags who make their ships male but still
>future father in lawyes.
Thomas lmao. For my undergrad research last year I got to talk with him on Zoom and he was sitting in this same spot in his pajamas
This guy sounds and looks angry
>>12742384rockets should be male because they look phallic
now I want a wikipedia page about the holey rocks
>>12742378you ride both of them
really should have toured JPL when I lived in LA
>I'm moved by this wow>face completely expressionless>voice completely monotonous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4czjS9h4Fpg4k
They did this landing 7 years ago, why is Thomas Zuberchan talking as if its the first time?
WE COULD HAVE HAD A JIM BRIDENSTINE PEP TALK TODAY BROS FUCK
>>12742384They don't even have genitals, how come they are """female""" can they have children?
>>12742402Yeah, big jim was a way better speaker then this clown.
>Sample return in 10 yearsBy then Starship will be making regular trips
>Starship lands on Mars>Congrats Elon, would you like to talk about the team that made Starship work?>No, we still have work to do.
>>12742395Probably just scoria/pumice or a texture resultant from aeolian weathering
Cute
>>12742393Why would you want to ride inside a man? Rockets, capsules, probes, starships, all of them are female.
>>12742405>big Jim could have been there, Mountain Dew in handfeels bad
>>12742410Because it's kind of gay to be hanging out with your bros for 3 months or more inside a dude.
rooovy
>>12742402Atheists don’t have souls
>>12742405We also could have had martian bases for decades today. Wishes and horses.
Pathfinder is cuteCUTE
>>12742410Go be dumb somewhere else
>>12742419this is depressing, I want Jim back
Audio upload when?
>>12741488Q2 2021
>>12742420>>12742424>>12742429My favorite little rover
Anybody else not like this dude
>>12742436>My Little Martian Rover Can't Be This Cute
>Eyes constantly darting to the left>didn't even bother to memorize speech
>>12742411This guy isn't the interim administrator>>12742402That's just how he is. I've heard him tell jokes before he is very deadpan but clever
Reporter forgot about the EDL lack of audio
>q&aso depressing
>>12742402he's from Bern it's normalt.swiss
>>12742429>>12742436Does anyone remember that documentary “Mars: Dead or Alive?” It’s from the early 2000’s and it follows the launch and landing of Spirit and Opportunity. It’s where that cool animation of a Delta II launch comes from. Anyways they talked about how some spare parts for Pathfinder ended up on Spirit and Oppy
>>12742413>Sample return in 10 yearsRiiiiiiight...
>>12742360>Um space is hard sweetieFucking lazy fucks. This isn't the goddamn 60s
Oh noooo, I don't want to listen to these incoming questions. Especially if they are coming from the general public
Of course the journalists want to know if they can report anything negative. hang them all.
>>12742453>this pos is already 4 years delayed 2040s at a stretch
>>12742453God what an ugly looking rover>>12742413Why the fuck does it take 10 years? Just build a lander, Jesus.
>>12742391>Thomas Zuberchan>This guy sounds and looks angryApparently that's how Germans sound.Germans in their natural environment sound like that.
>>12742456I hope someone asks about the Raw Images hold up
>>12742413>Starship takes the sample back with it>RUDs on landing
>>12742423>>12742430Vehicle is not an animal, it's inorganic machine, how come it can have any gender? Are murricans retarded?
Kek someone on /sfg/ needs to queue up on the call and say "hello our frogworks division has just captured audio on the surface of Venus" and then just blow into the phone mic
>>12742456>he quys so lets take a look at social!>#lol rogget
>>12742469>And I have one follow up>Go ahead anon>N-
>>12742468esl retard
>>12742468Why are you obsessed with Americans? Calling vehicles female started with euros, not to mention most euro languages are gendered. Shouldn't you know this?
>>12742468rent free
>>12742479he's a chinaman
>>12742452I don't but that's pretty interesting. I wonder what commonality there is between the twins and the current rovers?
>>12742456I closed tab immediately. NASA is dumping audio and video on Perseverance's Twitter anyways so you are not missing anything.
>>12742479He’s just angry that the ESA is getting shit on by a literal white male capitalist
>>12742479That's stupid, and now you will have gender war over fucking roover. Typical of yuros anthropomorphizing all your creation is mistake.
>>12742490african american
>>12742485I really wish I could find it but there’s this CGI scene where they have pathfinder then some of the parts are stripped away and replaced with bigger ones and whatnot until the end result is spirit/opportunity. It was my favorite part of the movie as a little kid.
>>12742496Of Dutch descent.
>>12742453
>>12742495
A fucking communication error fucked the landing audio
>>12742495Get fucked fag lmao
>>12742479there is genderless pronoun in english "it"
>>12742500''Musk'' doesn't sound very Dutch to me
Michael Shits
>>12742479Some people are just too autistic to understand normal human thought
literal camera advertising on a NASA stream?
It's hilarious when anglos seethe about linguistic genders.
>>12742495Go back to harassing vtubers, Zhang
>>12742499Could be this?https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0662638/
>>12742525yeah in real first world nations nobody gives a fuck about that gender bullshit
>all those mad americano goblinos over "gender" of inanimate objects
Why is NASA using 8-bit telephones for questions, its year of our lord 2021
>>12742215lame. I thought they said there would be sound on descent?
>>12741162Who tf keeps getting mad about gendering vehicles as if it hasn’t been done across the world for centuries? >>12742527That’s it. It’s a great documentary although it’s outdated now seeing as both of the rovers in it are dead. I loved it as a little kid though
Euros trying to reconcile the fact that they have done nothing of note after the Boston Tea Party is hilarious to see
>>12742413NASA's cope to this is Perseverance is designed to collect samples without human or Earth contamination. It might be the last time they have a chance to collect uncontaminated samples before manned missions start.
>>12742549they fucked up
>itt yuros and bug men seething
>>12742557Holy shit imagine being European
>>12742557"I'm putting together a crew"
opensourcechads we won
Chink astrotrufers are going crazy today LMAO. Going to make some webms of the EDL video, stand by
>>12742551What about Russia
>a Linux boxI'd just like to interject for a moment!
>retard throws out some chum>other retards start doing the sameQuit shitposting and go look at the raw images starting to get uploaded, you absolute faggots.
>>12742557>manlet an official disability
>>12742557eh not a bad idea, this will give us data. we should be doing much more extreme experiments on the ISS>sex, pregnancy >development of a teen>longer time stay for 5-10 yearsbut nooo ISS only for carrot growing experiments
>>12742566You can’t do that!!!!!! China has a Mars video too!!!!!!
>>12742557As a yuro this is shameful, hope Chinese military complex will beat us to mars.
>>12742557yeah is is unironically trashonly the fittest and smartest should go to space
>>12742573Does that mean Anon can collect disability checks?
>>12742578astronauts are overrateda college grad could do most of the experiments
>>12742571sharp
>>12742580half of /fit/ is now eligible to go to the space station.
>>12742571looks great
>HOW WILL YOU DISTINGUISH REAL FROM FAKE VIDEOwho hires these "journalists"
>>12742585stop anon i can only get so erect
>how you make people know video is real????
>>12742569кeк
>>12742557
Where's Rome-poster, or if he's here is he waiting for the nasa broadcast to end?
>>12742602кeкyc
>>12742571looks so fucking cool, the colored squares make it look like something straight out of a "projects of the future" comic from the 60s
>these questions
>>12742603this is actually sad>t. europoor
>>12742603>this is what's calling you "americano goblino"oh no no no noalthough NASA really isn't far off this state
I guess this is used to verify camera health? can't calibrate since the palette is going to get coated in dust, but good enough to verify channels I guess?
>>12742612what colored squares? the black ones?
>>12742624That's what the palette is for yeah.
>>12742629>>12742624so they want to check if image acquisition on Mars is the same on Earth or if red for example is less red on Mars because of atmosphere interference / ambient light etc?
rogs
>>12742624>can't calibrate since the palette is going to get coated in dustThey literally called that and the two other monochromatic circular ones calibration targets awhile ago.
>>12742635Yes, it's this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExOOElyZ2Hk)) but on Mars
>>12742633
>>12742603
>>12742468How sheltered are you to not know that boats, planes and basically everything humans travel in are female?
>>12742622the thing about NASA is you can tell the diversity stuff is just for appearances. the important people at JPL are actually qualified and good at what they do, unlike the euro space program
>mars has vesticles must be a boy
lmao one of the eurofags tried reporting me kek>>12742612Those are greyscale squares, wtf color are you seeing?>>12742614I tuned out. What are they asking?
>>12742636Sambles>>12742633>>12742639Bless you anon
>>12742638woah cool stuff there
>>12742641This dude is actually so based. I can't remember his name, but Twitter ruined his whole day and pozzed ESA forced him to apologize. The whole story makes me angry
>>12742636The absolute state. It's fucking 2021. Keep that 90's architecture off of Mars. And a fucking xbox kinect?
https://twitter.com/Spacecomm_Joey/status/1363936680466644995?s=19hidden codes on the skycrane's chute
>>12742656ESA is 30 years behind us, give them some slack
>>12742658That's pretty cool.Really thought it was gonna be Krystal.
>>12742658God I love weaponized autism
>
>>12742658Oh yeah yeah yeah they always do shit like this. JPL likes hiding morse code and weird translations of their name everywhere. It's pretty redpilled actually
>>12742667but wait... are we actually sure it's morse? there are two ways to represent the point wtf?
>>12742645>>12742627>don't see the colorsAnons... I..
>>12742639
>>12742673If ayys find out about shit like this they're gonna be thinking everything we made has special secret hidden messages in it.>schizophrenic aliens
>>12742676oh shit I saw them now, below the circular dialI thought you meant the colored circles on the main dial
>>12742677what's the scale here when it starts to hover? Looks really small but I'm guessing it's around 20 meters across?
>>12742679to be fair, the amount of hidden things (intentionally or unintentionally) in mega projects like this is usually quite high because some engineer somewhere spent 500 hours ensuring that a wire would work on mars and during that time he got creative. hidden things disappear mostly in mass produced things because not as much time is put into them
>>12742326Color calibration samples and a sundial.Looks like some autism pictures too, is that panties in the upper right?
So what's actually wrong with the ESA rover? It's delay was caused by the Russian lander not being ready, not the rover itself. The only things I keep reading here are that it's small and looks funny. Obviously it has a much smaller scope given it's smaller budget. Is there actually anything wrong with it's instruments or objectives?
Is matt depressed?
>>12742703dinosaur >>12742571
>>12742696It's 10 feet across and 9 feet wide.
>>12742703>is that panties in the upper right?I think it's a Dinosaur anon
>>12742704I think it's just scheduled too late to really be meaningful. By the time it gets there we'll probably (hopefully) have already put men on Mars.
>>12742641>land a probe with extreme precision on a fucking moving comet>media only cares about the shirtbruh
>>12741196is Zubrin /ourjew/?
>>12741488WTFCHECKED20th of April is the day
Does the perseverance have a gun for self defense purposes? Or are we still sending unarmed probes ?
>>12742603>>12742641The duality of ESA...
GOD RAYSI COOM
>>12742658>>12742667Curiosity's wheels had JPL in morse code machined into them, so the rover was constantly writing their name onto the surface.
>>12742636How are they going to get the stuff off the ground?
>>12742603>>12742620>>12742717You guy don't think that's real... right?
>>12742738BATTLEBOTS ON MARS
>>12742747they haven't even begun the design of that rooover yet.
>>12742747It has a little drill, the black thing on the front rotates
>>12742713Kek, dunno why you flipped the poor ESA rover though. He looks even worse now.
>>12742738Hypothetically speaking, if the Chinese rover were to threaten Perseverance with a crowd of ESA rovers in between them, Percy - in a self defense scenario - would not hesitate to mow them down to hit Chinkbot.
>>12742754>>12742759Wait, wtf, are you serious? Why are we including the retarded kid to make him feel better!? THIS SHIT IS FUCKING IMPORTANT!
>>12742759Would you go so far as to say it's drill goes "brrrrr"?
>>12742764All of this taking place at 1/2cm per second of course lmao
>>12742732Of course!
>>12742768lmao
>>12742767As far as I know it's just one of the options. I don't think they have officially decided what to do with the cached samples yet. SpaceX might be able to pick them up as a fun side project while one of the astronauts is out for a stroll in 10-20 years
>>12742764>china bot dumps it's rock samples in percy's path>they act as caltrops and shred the wheels
>>12742764Percy's kill attack is just sticking it's radioactive dump truck ass into other rovers and frying their electronics
>>12742724i can garantee you no human will touch mars in 2023not even elon is that optimistic
>>12742776>ywn cause a political incident by doing donuts around a mars rover and be the first forcefully deported martian
>>12742782Also zaps them with the chem laser while doing this. The wombo combo.
>>12742784Nevermind, I just had the date mistaken.
>>12742784I even doubt that humans would land on the moon by then
>>12742557>midgets decide they want to have their own world without tall people fucking with their daily lives>they become their own human species and evolve into dwarves>lanklets end up becoming their own race>humanity splits into a bunch of DND races
>>12742787>Miguel G is the first deported Martian
>>12742796Orcs are tunnel dweller. How do elves come about? Titan chads?
>>12742796i want to fuck elf girls
>>12742759>the virgin insight mole>the chad RSA rogg grinder
>>12742796They could unironically make use of all of the super-Earths with really high gravity.
Thoughts?
https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2021/02/22/green-run-update-nasa-investigating-valve-performance-before-second-hot-fire/ sls green run delayed
>>12742817aren't they ramping shit up right now? Would be cool if they become a major player>>12742824what's up with all these valve problems
>>12742824>A FUCKING VALVE>>12742827>what's up with all these valve problemsIts the Hydromeme.
>>12742817Pretty good. This logo would look good on rockets and landers and maybe even astronaut space suits, assuming the UK could get to NASA-level spaceflight
>>12742817I wish it was just the British space agency.
>>12742817>80% of the budget went on a consultancy to design the logo with the rest going on lunch
>>12742824>8 minute hot fire!>oh fuck that wasn't 8 minutes at all was it>uh>okay we're gonna have another test in a few months, don't worry everything's fine!>oh and the test is delayed
>>12742833>assuming the UK could get to NASA-level spaceflightlook up the UK space budget and proceed to laugh bitterly
>>12742747>>12742776As things stand right now ESA/Airbus is in charge of the fetch rover and the return vehicle. They seem to be planning a 2026 launch and a 2031 return. The Mars ascent vehicle is NASA and would be launched after 2026, but they haven't released any details on it yet
>>12742824Grim
>>12742853>proceed to laugh bitterlyDid you expect their budget to be similar?
>>12742824>sls green run delayedBut this was expected. I will be surprised if it gets delayed for more than a year in total, though. If it actually flies at all, I mean. In many structurally independent pieces or no.
>>12742866I was responding to your lofty ideals, I know exactly how garbage europeans are
There's a rumor that supposed SLS shill and former senator Bill Nelson will be the NASA admin. Berger is saying otherwise though, so we'll see.
>>12742817Make the Quatermass rocket and I will love them long time.
>>12742878Lol, there's no way in hell that's happening. Obama admin fought hard against SLS, and ended up having to compromise. They fought directly with Nelson
>>12742827>Be Valve>DelayA tale as old as time.
>>12742886But does Joe remember?
>>12742891Doubtful, but the machine apparatus puppeting his decaying form likely does.
>>12742874I didn't post that, but his ''ideals'' are clearly not that the UK can get to NASA levels
>>12742452>>12742527Holy shit that brings back memories of taping it and watching it after school back as a kid
>Perseverance getting all the attention>Curiosity still quietly doing her job
>>12742603>left>liberal space projectFTFY
>>12742903It's all about "muh drone".
>>12742764Really. Why is the CCP setting its rover's landing site so close to Percy's? Mars is pretty big. No need for two rovers doing research so close to each other. Go land on the poles ffs. All NASA missions to the south pole have failed so far.
>>12742921Have they announced the official landing site yet?
>>12742903She is a WHORE rover
How deep does Perseverance's drill go?
>>12742899I miss watching space documentaries as a kid. I went to this science center when I was about seven and they were talking about “The cool new Ares rockets that will take us to the moon.” Anyhow I miss those days
>>12742931The southern area of Utopia Planitia. Very, very close to Percy.
>>12742938balls deep
>>12742903The new drone always gets public attention. Curiosity had her 15 minutes of fame
>>12742946Forgot pic.
>>12742938
>>12742946Time to destroy it
>>12742903Meanwhile, InSight recorded a Marsquake a couple years ago and nobody noticed.
>>12742950>at least 4km of elevation from each other
>>12742948There’s a good chance the next US lander on Mars is a cargo Starship
virign memelactichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0G9D8nMeJk
>>12742953Speaking of which, love is over.F, etc.
>>12742975I would say there is a 100% chance of that anon.
>>12742977sub-orbital death-levers
>>12742805I'm curious to see how it work out. The mole was supposed to drill down 5 meters. Rosalind is aiming at 2 meters. Why is drilling on Mars so hard?
>>12742979F
>>12742989the mole was supposed to hammer itself down 5 meters whereas this looks like an actual drill, so probably more confident in this technology
>>12742989Because these are fragile robots that have to shave as much mass off as possible on every component. A human would be able to plunge a drill as deep as they wanted
>>12742989w-what are you doing step-rover?
>>12742999>The 'virgin' remote driller vs the chad man with a shovel
>>12743007>the ascended IRSU drilling machine
>>12743003Just drillin' babe, I mean sis, don't worry about it
>>12742950>nothing in the canyons
>>12742943Yeah, I was fascinated about meteor impact documentaries, myself. Which lead to me giving a speech in the 3rd grade about the grave threat that meteors posed to the earth. At the end everyone was just staring at me. Not sure if I scared the other kids or if my morbid autism was a putoff. Maybe both.
Business idea: Solid rocket SSTO
>>12743052my organs
>>12743052Based. The environment will literally never recover. Make it an Orion while you're at it.
>>12743052It will also be able to double as a jello maker, how versitial!
>>12743052Based, because it would instantly be useable as an ICBM.
>>12743073Has an orbital rocket ever been turned into an ICBM? Like a Minotaur but backwards
>>12743052>>12743058>>12743061>>12743065>>12743073The US is preparing to switch from Minuteman III ICBMS to GBSD.The old missiles will become surplus and many will be sold (save for the warhead, of course).You can try to convince the Air Force to sell them to you.
>>12743079No, because usually ICBMs are solid fuel only and orbital rockets are liquid fuel.
>>12743082not until the space industry reaches anywhere near the same cashflow the defense industry gets
>>12743042>nothing on olympus monsMy disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
In hindsight, what the fuck was up with this? They used retrorockets and essentially killed all velocity 10m above the ground. Why the fuck would they then drop the fucking thing and add so many new opportunities for failure instead of just dropping it down by a rope or somethinghttps://youtu.be/tijyybrmfsM?t=193
>>12743082>hi yes we're a group of internet autists who have managed to save $24.18 and would like to purchase an old icbm to launch a frog into orbit>hello?
>>12743104Haha rover go 'bounce'
>>12743104they don't want to cover the roover in dust and stones and shit
>>12743112nm didn't even look at the pic
>>12743106DARPA will give them out.Just convince them it has something to do with China and you'll get it.Don't forget to mention diversity a couple of times.>>12743096Space & Defense are one in the same.
>>12743098It will remain untouched until a Martian chad decides it's time to clime the largest mountain in the known universe.
>>12743082>hello, we're... uh... not the North Koreans>could we have some of those filthy American pig dog rockets
>>12743106>/sfg/ has an Electron rocket to itselfWhat do we launch on it?
>>12743104Damage from thrusters throwing up shit from the ground is most likely higher than the suspension tackling the drop. They know what they're doing, this wasn't their first use of this kind of skycrane.
>>12743104JPL doesn't give a fuck. They come up with one idea at the roundtable talk, and then they are like yup let's just go with it and make it work
>>12743120A manlet.
>>12743120
Static fire today boys!!!!https://youtu.be/sTA0GTgFn5Ehttps://youtu.be/sTA0GTgFn5Ehttps://youtu.be/sTA0GTgFn5E
>>12742817not a bad logo>10 years agoall of my wut?
>>12743130Reddit would shit itself if we launched a useful payload before them
>>12742854why do the thing wings needs to be so big?
>>12742824
>>12743149
>>12743160no air in space so it has to flap very hard
>>12743164Go away oldspace, you have billions yo waste on subpar designs
>>12743160Ion thrusters are power-hungry
>>12743160Gotta generate lift somehow bro
>>12743175So am I
>>12743149Really?
>>12743052would this be feasible if safety, environment, and perhaps radiation weren't concerns?
>>12742276Cost plus contracts unirionicallyThere is absolutely no reason to do anything on schedule when you can just endlessly grift the government billions. Its a sunken cost fallacy
>>12743185Well ask Airbus to make you some big fuck off solar arrays
>>12742977>been taking years to get first passenger flight>needs an """Experience Architect""">boomer with a fucking janitor's key chain on his ear>babbles about "transformational change"You want a transformational change? How about you fucking fly already?>>12743104>>12743121This. Remember how Starship got btfo a few times from concrete getting kicked up? Now try it with loose dust. It'll be great for your solar panels too.
>>12743201Gotta remember the skycrane has to go "later homos" after dropping it off, so that means cranking the thrusters to max at a lower altitude which means rocks get kicked up as well and instruments that are absolutely not protected against hydrazine plumes are going to get roasted in addition.Gentle drop then blastoff is within safety limits.
>>12743219retro rockets at 15-20 feet are a lot less trouble than retro rockets at ground level
>>12743225Yup, it's not KSP where you make elaborate mini SRB spinning top skycrane yeets.
>>12742854Oh hell what happens if they build this thing but humans are on Mars by 2029 anyways?
>>12743239America wins again, like usual. Europoors will continue to be a laughing stock.
>>12743243And NASA wouldn't be for building a lander to follow it?
>>12743149I'm excited that means a friday hop
>>12743239>humans are on Mars by 2029 anyways?Don't kid yourself, that's way to optimistic
>>12742824seriously, what has gone wrong with SLS? government projects are always bloated and delayed but somebody clearly fucked up
Interesting. This section has some rectangular holes cut in it. For grid fins, perhaps?
>>12743263My theoretical timeline is:>2021: Starship nails bellyflop+flip>2022: Starship reaches orbit, lands after>2023: Starship nails in-orbit refueling. >2024: #dearmoon occurs. Starship launches into orbit and is met with a Dragon capsule which is basically lugs around the moon.>Also 2024: First two or three Starships try to land on Mars. >2025: Stuff happens idk man>2026: First Base Building Starships launch to mars. Maybe half of them make it, but it gives good data and allows preliminary habs to be set up>2029: First manned starships to mars. At this point the vehicle has flown hundreds of times and is well proven
>>12743287Honestly I see them one RUD-less launch window before attempting manned landings. If any unmanned Starship RUDs on Mars, manned won't be tried in the next window.
>>12743286Its scrap. The vertical welds failed X-ray inspection. The welds are porous.
>>12743292I see them wanting to do*
>>12743298>>12743292Yeah I agree. What’s neat though is they’ll have dozens of landings on Earth which I think will smooth out the process. Anyhow for the first time I’m 100% sure Starship will work. I just don’t know when.
27m starships when?
>>12743287this is insanely optimistic my guy
>>12743307>not skipping straight to 110m diameter starships
>>12743284>>12742276The real, non-joke answer:• For reasons I won't get in to, the Space Shuttle program ended up costing a fuck ton - but more importantly - it ended up creating jobs in just about every state• At the same time, understand that NASA must always appear before Congress and say "may we have money pls? This is what we want to do. This is how much money we would need this year to do it. Th- thank you". Now Congress is very stingy about giving NASA money. But when it comes to "bloated" shit like Shuttle, congress almost unanimously agrees to fund it because it creates more jobs in their states• Fast forward to 2012-ish. Shuttle program comes to an end. NASA now wants to go to the Moon. They know they can build an upgraded Saturn V, but they know Congress won't give them shit for it. If they instead build a "shuttle-derived" rocket, they will keep all the same people employed, Congress will stay happy, and Congress will give them the money for the shitty rocket and gateway and landers all as one package.• For some fucking stupid reason NASA decided to go with cost-plus contracting though, meaning that Boeing (who is building the SLS) is under no obligation to meet time tables, and is in fact given MORE money if they ask for it.JPL is a completely different story. JPL is filled with based autists who love what they do, and could build a spacecraft for $2, $20, or $200 mil. They basically just get told what the mission needs to be and they make it happen with an allotted budget.
When is SN10 launching? If this shit fails, we'll never get to Mars. It's over.
>>12743328That was set in stone when shuttle was scaled back in the 70's
>>12743287This screams "I don't want to die before seeing mankind on Mars" wishful thinking.
>>12743336to be fair, unless you're over 35 you'll probably live to see it anyway
>>12743317
>>12743317>the rocket is taller than it is widengmi
>>12743104because lithobraking is cool
>>12743333>imagine being this retarded
>>12743345Its actually spot on. Boeing figured they could milk all the profit margin in final assembly and make everyone else do the "work," and now nobody knows how to do anything and all the experienced engineers have no replacements.
>>12743362>shortage of experienced engineers >company desperately trying to scale up its in-house work boing is a startup now, who would've thought
>>12743362to be honest I linked to the quads without actually looking at the post lmao
>>12743296ah, I see. If you don't mind me asking, where did you hear this?
>>12743394Photographs by BocaChicaGal
>>12743394>>12743400
>>12743400well, shit, it's all written there. Thanks.
I take it English will be the official language of Mars
>>12743417Si
>>12743417English and Mandarin depending on which sphere of influence you're coming fromcold war 2: mars boogaloo coming soon to a system near you
Jesus that vent is LOUD
>>12743400>>12743408What SN was this?>>12743417Not just Mars. English will be the official language of everything off-Earth.
So if this static fire is successful... flight attempt in less than two weeks?
>>12743417What about Arabic or Hindi or something
>>12743336>>12743263Stop using NASA time frames. Starship will most likely do an orbital flight by the end of the year
>>12743417toki pona
>>12743442Kek no
>>12743454I'll eat my dick if that happens. Elon time is different
>[ANGRY COMBINE NOISES]
>>12743442POO ON MARS
>we're back to static fire abort hell
>>12743464Saved. You better livestream cunt
LMAO SCRUBBED AGAIN???
>>12743454Heavy testing will only begin this year, with 2-4 engines. They won't even have a pad ready that can actually support a full heavy launch this year.
>>12743454This. That's wildly pessimistic.Considering that Elon has to actually get special approval to put people on Starship I could see 2028 being the human landing time. Other than that, they'll probably be sending the first few for testing to Mars in 2022. I'm pretty sure they'll successfully send cargo to Mars in 2024. If they aren't allowed to send humans in 2026 then they'll be able to get loads more supplies there anyways instead.
Reminder that the cargo variant of Starship is going to be 10x more useful and influential to humanity's future than crewed variant
>>12741533>nobody responds for 8 hourssad
>>12743495because its not even newsworthy, wow, another shitty expendable rocket, would've been revolutionary in 1950
>>12741533Wait what, what is this?
>>12743495>Ariane>a fucking can># innovation acceleratorit is sad
>>12741926Gwynne shotwell said 50 million per launch for the public launch cost, so I'm guessing the actual launch cost for SpaceX will be around 20 million.
>>12743502It's supposed to be reusable, but it's Arianespace, so it'll be a methane powered F9 clone, finished sometime in 2050.
>4,647 new images on the NASA raw pageFucking finally
>>12743532wew lad
>>12743532I'm going to kill the image limit then stage, sorry
>>12743479The heavy is literally the easiest part of the product, it is also very similar to the falcon and the starship development is the same as heavy development
>>12743549
>>12743551You must just like the sound of your keyboard because nothing you said is meaningfully relevant to what I said.
>>12743554
>>12743520>>12743504Pic related. It’s a Methalox version of Ariane 6 designed to compete with Falcon 9
>>12743558Because the one anon asked about the palette, this seems to be the calibration
>>12743479You’re retarded if you don’t think the pad will be ready this year. Starship is mostly done as a rocket, it can be used on an orbital flight right now if they had a booster. Superheavy is still in development but their first flight article is almost done. If SpaceX wanted they could fly expendable Starship/Superheavy to orbit within a few months
>>12743564
>>12743570
>>12743568>>12743556>>12743479But even then, so what if the full stack flies in 2022? That’s dozens of more tries to perfect the landing anyways
>>12743575
>>12743582
>>12743588
>>12743536
>>12743564>>12743570>>12743575>>12743582
>>12743591
What's the TLDR on why the fuck this camera just can't snap a photo like a normal camera here on earth. Why does it look pink
>>1274359310/10
>>12743568The pad they're building right now has been confirmed to have no diverter planned, they'll complete it sure but it will be useless for a 28 engine heavy. And in any case they are unlikely to have both the raptor production capacity and reliability to put that many engines on a vehicle this year, let alone multiple times since it's unlikely they will go straight to stacking and orbital testing.
>>12743593Kek
>>12742301except german vehicles
>>12743593I'm glad someone did it, I was thinking the same thing
>>12743599Perhaps they were calibrated wrong and NASA cleaned it up for the video?
>>12743609Germans are closer homos
>>12743593KEK thought the same. Well done.
>>12743599Scientific cameras don't just take the total sum of light when they take an image. Instead they record each color separately so that materials in an image can be determined. This is done without any regard for how it looks so adjustment for human eyes is needed. Pic related, the scientific camera that took this image actually took three images. One in blue, red, and green each. However, the moon moved as those images were taken so there is a slight misalignment when all the data is used to make a human-friendly image
>>12743611
>>12743623Some of these are a little spooky
>>12743619Great answer. What scientific benefit comes from taking separate R, G, and B photos?
>>12743630Does anyone know what is causing the sun beams? Is that normal or the parachute?
>>12743634
>>12743634I hope these thumbnails get bigger, a lot of them are too small to be worth posting, but look interesting
>>12743634atmosphere + lens
>>12743638Very nice shot of the top
>>12743643This one seems yellow tinted
>>12743630kino
>>12743649>actual color photo from first Venusian rover
>>12743632Different materials reflect and absorb light differently. Using this principle, the material of a given object can be guessed at from just a picture, which is much faster than a spectrometer. In addition to that, weather can be measured accurately from how the atmosphere absorbs light (more red being seen means more dust in the atmosphere, more blue means higher pressure etc). Important in learning more about the Martian climate
>>12743649Wonder what these doo-dads are
>>12743659Don't you just want to turn it all into bricks?
>>12743634this is just an artifact that happens when taking a photo through a thick piece of glass. If you take a picture with your phone through your car windshield you'll see similar effects. 99% not sun rays or the sun refracting through anything in the atmosphere.
>>12743263>>12743336Are you new? /sfg/ usually doesn't go by old space times for predictions
>>12743643I absolutely love the look of space vehicles. Complex yet ordered and perfectly clean.
>>12743664Sexy RTG ass
>>12743603First orbital starship will have like 20 raptors
>>12743664It's just BEGGING for a fast food joint bros
>>12743632maybe they can get a better approximation of real color by referencing the images against the color graders and balancing them out.
>>12743673starship will have 3 sea level engines and 3 vacuum engines, wtf are you talking about
Well?
>>12743672Liked this shot of the tires and ground
>>12743658Great answer anon
>>12743678https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars
>>12743659that's the differential girdle spring on the up end of the cardinal grammeter
>>12743678
>>12743664More landscapes, can't wait for it to start driving around here
>>12743673According to whom? 28 is the current number for the booster, so 34 overall.
>>12743693
>>12743695Pretty sure musk said that when talking about how losing 28 engines would be a bit too much for a test.
>>12743664Imagine PROOONTing with it!
>>12743693>>12743697this is one of the more interesting landscapes i've seen from a mars rover. guess they finally got the tech to land in areas that aren't totally flat all around
>>12743697
>>12743679It doesn’t need vacuum engines to reach orbit. A demo flight might just use 3 sea level Raptors.>>12743698Starship/Superheavy can lose like 5 Raptors and still fly to orbit
>>12743701It's definitely the coolest place they've landed
>>12743706It's not about getting to orbit, it's about losing 28 if/when it crashes on landing.
>>12743701It’s an old crater lake, I thought
>>12743634Just the camera lens glass
>>12743702
>>12743706So 26 engines minimum for an orbital test, not really a huge difference.>>12743709It's not an orbital test if it doesn't make orbit.
Image limit reached, staging the thread>>12743722
>>12743679I'm talking about the superheavy
>>12743726>page 7
>>12743709>>12743721Yes it is an orbital test tf are you on? And what makes you so sure it’ll fail getting to orbit? Raptors have a perfect launch record it’s the relight that’s hard
>>12743732Who cares we can’t post images of memes and Mars
>>12743734tf are YOU on, anon? What part of "orbital test" is consistent with the statement "it's not about getting to orbit"? I'm ready to bow out because this is getting retarded.
>>12743732I would agree with you, but it's pointless if you can't post images.
>>12743632You might think a standard camera should be OK anywhere but in fact all kinds of compromises have been made to generate a good result here on earth in a known set of situations. Even different manufacturers of earth cameras emphasise different aspects etc. So there's no such thing as a universal camera, and space is a very different environment. Then there's the need for scientific levels of accuracy and precision. For example, the radiometric correction of satellite imagery is based on calibration done by pointing the sensor at a particular part of the Antarctic that is the flattest and whitest area we have to image. And the same with the blackest part of the sky. Imaging is highly technical but all but the most expensive cameras for earth use hide this from us.
>>12743746Bro if it’s intended to get to orbit but it doesn’t it’s still an orbital test, just one that failed. All of the N1’s flights were orbital tests that failed.
>>12743726>>12743772>>12743735>Muh imagerinos!Faggots.
>>12743801Honestly I just wanted to start a thread with the webms drops
>>12743459based af
>>12743632Better basic resolution, and most importantly, RGB only matters to human eyes. If you take pictures using color filters it can see things that human eyes couldn't.
>>12743726>Image limit reachedhow about we start a new thread for marsposting? at this rate we'll hit image limits on page 2
>>12743480Exactly this, think about what SpaceX was doing 10 years ago. They were just starting the dragon and early falcon days. Think about what the starship will be in 10 years
>>12743664I want to print it
>>12743480>special approval to put people on StarshipOnly for NASA missions. But no way will they put people up to Mars until they've already done a synod of cargo landings.
Wow it scrubbed again? Elon you dumbass
New Thunderf00t videohttps://youtu.be/2oWdvwkfW4Q>Perseverence Rover: BUSTED
>>12743911>thunderderp
>>12743726>>12743732>>12743805Image limit is abort. Page 10 is nominal staging.