/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12736726
No Edition Edition

Topics temporarily banned from discussion due to recent spikes in background autism levels, investigation ongoing:
>terraforming
>dyson spheres
>self-replicating nanotechnology
>bricks

>>12736749
the old poster has taken an extended break it seems. Somebody else will have to start doing it or someone will have to tell OP to get his shit together

POV: You are the Boeing PR team after Starliner fucks up again.

>>12736730
god i wish i could look up that skirt. sandy monroe got to look up sn15's skirt. what a slutty starship

apology for poor english

when were you when boeing dies?

i was sat at home drinking rp-1 when anon post

'boing is kill’

‘no’

>>12736760
A post this based shouldn't be possible

Bros I really wanna know what the fuck is up with those vesicular rocks near Perseverance. I don’t know why a volcanic rock would be near a crater delta, but I also don’t see how a sed rock could be differentially weathered like that. Can’t wait to see what the USGS has to say about it
>>12736757
Kek

>>12736753
If you're going to have a moratorium on bricks you need one on proonting too.

>>12736753
The autism surrounding proont, however, seems to have died down somewhat.

>>12736769
>>12736767
Fuck, never mind.

>>12736767
>>12736769
Rip

>>12736772
>>12736775
I'm just fucking saying cunts, the proont autist triggered the brick autist.

>>12736764
There is this shipworm that digs limestone.

>>12736764
I thought they said it was some explosive ash deposit or somethin. i also read the particular spot had basalt

>>12736791
>>12736764
>That's a mineral that is very interesting to us, and thoughts are that this could be an explosive ash deposit into Jezero Crater. On the other hand, we are in a lake basin and these could be lake sediments that we're seeing.

>>12736781
Imagine if the weird data hoarding is because of NASA/JPL running their lockdown protocol for life detention to get all their shit order before the announcement. Basically impossible but still. Has any previous rover landed in a lake delta or otherwise previously underwater region mars? It’s possible that if life did exist on mars it was only the in the oceans because the window for life there was so much smaller

>>12736764
>Bros I really wanna know what the fuck is up with those vesicular rocks near Perseverance. I don’t know why a volcanic rock would be near a crater delta, but I also don’t see how a sed rock could be differentially weathered like that. Can’t wait to see what the USGS has to say about it

I'm not sure what characteristic speaks to differential weathering. I think it looks like igneous rock, which is often similarly porous.

>>12736791
Hmmm Mars really pisses me off because I struggle to understand it. I did undergrad geology research on soil dynamics on Mars, and my old advisor works at NASA. I always asked him about how to understand the geology but I could never wrap my head around it. I hope I can go there one day though to study it in person

>>12736798
>Imagine if the weird data hoarding is because of NASA/JPL running their lockdown protocol for life detention to get all their shit order before the announcement. Basically impossible but still. Has any previous rover landed in a lake delta or otherwise previously underwater region mars? It’s possible that if life did exist on mars it was only the in the oceans because the window for life there was so much smaller

I still can't figure out how or why it wouldn't be anonymously leaked that they might have found life; they're bigger and more enthusiastic nerds about this kind of thing than we are.

>>12736798
Curiosity was in a lake

>>12736804
Pretty sure it would have been leaked straight away if there was something damning. Burning your career to be the one who breaks the news of life off earth is a solid deal.

>>12736799
Yeah it looks igneous, but I’m sure we will get closer pics soon enough. Might be the very first thing they look at. There’s always a chance it’s a sed rock trying to fool us

We have quite some time before Perseverence gets to the carbonate shoreline in Jezero Lake. The entire thing looks like a limestone bathtub ring. If life was there, you'll find the smoking gun in that deposit (blue & green areas on the left)

>>12736807
The what do they expect perseverance to find that curiosity didn’t

>>12736829
An ESA contract

>>12736808
I feel like it would be kept a little better than that. Leaking it a little early wouldn’t change anything and most people working at JPL + the chief leadership at NASA are smart enough to consider that

>>12736829
River deltas are really good at preserving microfossils for billions of years. Clear evidence of carbonates, which if you found on Earth we generally assume it's made of ancient life like microbial mats

>>12736837
I see. Thanks for explaining

>>12736837
Geology is so based. Definitely one of the more underrated sciences.

>>12736841
You could make a strong argument that geology and astronomy are equal in scope and importance. My geology professor insisted that astronomy and geology were the same science

>>12736847
Gene Shoemaker typed this post

>>12736829
wouldn't you like to know...

>>12736847
Until astronomers start imaging exoplanets they can fuck off and get out of the way.

>>12736847
They’re eventually the same, for sure. It takes the same type of person to get autistically obsessed about matter and how things crystallize/form from small to large scale and stuff. It’s hard to put into words but they are basically both “the study of the universe”. But astronomers are typically weirdos and geologists are chads

>>12736764
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumice

Watching for all mankind 2nd episode and I'm pissed off at them slandering Von Braun. Is this show going to go all SJW on me?

>>12736889
>Watching for all mankind 2nd episode and I'm pissed off at them slandering Von Braun. Is this show going to go all SJW on me?

You know that it will.

>>12736891
I hate modernity. Thinking pic related somehow makes him some Himmler tier villain is outrageous. The normies will now think poorly of Von Braun and they had that kike making a joke about him. I just wanted to be a centrist. fuck

>>12736730
based squid poster

>>12736726
We Quatermass now

>>12735636
We Quatermass now

>>12735442
The 737 is still the most produced airliner, the A320 has more orders however

>>12736889

to be fair to the show, it makes it clear that von Braun is really getting cast out as he's become politically inconvienent to the nixon administration.

however, the show's treatment of deke slayton is inexcusable.

>>12736862
Geology is frighteningly multi-disciplinary also though. You need good biology along with chemistry and physics.

Surprised to see so many geofags in /sfg/

>>12736781
I hate that

>>12737061
>however, the show's treatment of deke slayton is inexcusable.
Wtf do they do to Deke?

>>12737076
Yeah it’s all fun and games until you realize you have to bust your ass just for a B.S. in geology, and then there’s no fucking jobs once you graduate. Im graduating this summer and I have no idea what i’m gonna do. I decided not to do my masters because i’m just burned the fuck out. Might get it sometime later on though

>>12737099

deke gets mortally injured in an accident and decides to spend his last few minutes alive berating someone for being a lesbian.

honestly, pretty based now that I think about it.

>>12737082
Rockets and rocks are the only things that matter in space

>>12736726
I came here only to say that Heinlein is the best scifi author of all time, and that he's my favorite writer ever, not because of political views for sure, but damn he wrote amazing books. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is a must read for /sfg/.

>Watch news
>Another Boeing plane fell apart mid-flight.

>>12736756
Maybe he was the one who got a 3-day vacation for stealth Krystal posting?

>>12737082
geos will be among the first on mars. most space exploration is basically us using rockets to look at rocks so it makes sense.

>>12737203
747 was the last good Boeing, poor thing just got too old.

Terraform Urf.

>>12737133
That's fucking retarded but I like it — for the wrong reasons. Why must they add these stupid things?

>>12736753
PRONT

Did we get photos from the rover yet

complete the sentence:

if it's boeing...

>>12737061
yeah those two episodes were borderline unbearable. the show would have been perfect without them

>>12737258
..I am going!
Warning: poster may have suicidal tendencies

>>12737258
cost plus contracts are growing

>It’s a Musk has time to make 50 tweets about retarded crypto shit but no time at all for an interview with Tim Dodd about starship fuckups episode

>>12737258
it better be jumbo jet

>>12737252
for a moment I read "expendable engines" kek

>>12737258
...it's not flying

Why aren't any of the new images from Perseverance being uploaded to its website?

In death, a comrade cosmonaut has a name. His name was Vladimir Komarov.

>>12737406
I don't get this reusable engine meme

>>12737258
space industry's boring

Does NASA not upload new raw images on the weekend or something?

>>12737559
>>12737474
The handling of this mission has been weird in that regard, but maybe it's because they want to maximize hype as much as possible.

>>12737258
my options i'm weighing

>>12737258
it's exploding

CSP powered regolith forge on the moon and on mercury

>>12737669
Forgot pic

>>12737566
Or they landed right on top of a Martian dolphin skeleton

>>12737081
Sexy thicc girl, will probably fap to later

I've made $150 on Dogecoin because of Musk's shitposts

>>12736759
kys pedo

>>12736730
Imagine the smell

>>12737753
it's not pedo if it's anime

>>12737258
engines are glowing

>>12737474
because muh deadly 99.99% survivable death virus
>>12737699
wow very coin

>nothing happening
>thread turns to shit
POST THE PICTURES NASA

>>12737804
the renderfarm is working overtime...

>>12737218
SP version too, good taste sir

>>12736726
All this talk of For All Mankind abs I’m here hoping someone eventually makes a miniseries out of Stephen Baxter’s “Voyage.”

An “Eyes Turned Skywards” series would be great too

What are things going to look like in 50 years?

>>12737841
Only for the better

when elon dies, this shit is all over

>>12737841
Everything will be fire

>>12736726
POV: You’re a producer for Netflix. Your boss has told you that in order to capitalize off the success of Amazon’s For All Mankind, you have to make your streaming service have their own alternate history space story. Your boss tells you to make a series about “Eyes Turned Skywards.” How would you do it.
>ETS has no actual characters and just follows events through time

>>12737841
Hopefully things will be much further along but if spaceflight ends up looking no more different then than it does now I wouldn't be surprised.

>>12737861
>POV: You’re a producer for Netflix
I kill myself.

>>12737781
lol

Rockets prove black project UFO tech doesnt exist. The incompetance of established defense contractors and governments prove the same.

That being said, is there any good footage out there of rockets hitting the dome?

>>12737861
From the earth to the moon did a great job without focusing on any particular main characters, so i would rip that off in a fully fictional mocumentary.

>>12737836
>500 days mission

>>12737924
From the Earth to the Moon is great and is required viewing for all spaceflight enthusiasts.

>>12736035
As far as a Hawaii-equivalent refueling station planet goes probably Venus. If you have plasma magnet sails and solar panels you can arrive AND leave without expending more than RCS propellant, and for leaving it's "upwind" of everything but Mercury.

If you have torch ships, then probably wherever is easiest to fill up on water propellant in the outer system. Maybe Ceres or Saturn.

Hypothetically, how would one go about dyson sphereing?

>>12737998
Mine Mercury into pieces and shoot focusing mirrors into a low sun orbit, take advantage of exponential growth and completely CONSOOM mercury

>>12737998
Convince Mercury to dismantle itself

>>12737804
It is standard practice worldwide to keep images until demanded for propaganda purposes by the Party.

>>12737998
just push it, you use an omega engine. but first, we're gonna science the shit out of it

When are we finally gonna see an Electron launch from Wallops?

>>12737998
Just hire the Kurztygassagt guys to do it for you.

>>12737804
I should post more Krystal to liven up the thread

>>12738010
>>12738012
>>12738052
Asking because I’m retarded and need it for my cringe sci-fi story. Takes place in a different solar system though so Mercury is null. Smart people explain.

>>12737841
The Singularity might have happened by then so by definition nobody knows. I don't know if the machine gods will keep us around.

>>12738081
Convince the planet Kercury to disassemble itself.

>>12738081
People on /sci/ hate on them, but honestly just watch the Kurzgesagt video on it for a decent overview and expand off that.

>>12737861
South American immigrant named Elton Munsk creates some tech companies and funds a rocket startup called SpaceZ. Thier first rocket, the Millenium 1, reaches orbit and gets a big NASA contract. This allows Munsk to create the partially resuably Millenium 9 rocket which revolutionizes the space industry. SpaceZ then makes this massive fully reusable Mars rocket called Spaceship which colonizes Mars.
Meanwhile, Elton Munsk trolls everyone by shitposting on Twitter and buying meme stocks.

>>12738096
Got anymore stupid ideas?

>>12738100
Yeah, play the video game that is about constructing a Dyson Sphere piece by piece.

>22 years in orbit
Imagine the smell

>>12737998
You mean actual sphere? You don't.
>>12738107
It's pretty fun.
It does need a couple of mods to make the late game playable though.

>>12738068
This year, supposedly.

>>12737841
You will eat bugs.
You will live in a pod.
You will be gay.
You will own nothing.
You will be happy.

>>12737841
Like now but worse.
>africa_pop_chart.jpg

>>12737841

>>12738209
The good news though is that the number of Christians in the world will rise further. However, 1/2 of them will be African so take from that what you will.

>2 MW 795 nM DPAL laser (4 meter mirror) w/ thousands of km range, Space Shuttle RCS, AESA radar, 2 railguns, 8 Phalanx-style CIWS, retractable radiators, liquid hydrogen drop-tanks
>265 VLS cells to house Quad stacked KKV's or Dual Stacked Boosted KKV's
>2250 Tons Wet mass, 11.5-12 km/s Delta-V, 20 MWe reactor, 30 Days Endurance max, Nextel-Kevlar Whipple Shield
>12 km/s deltaV from a combination of nuclear thermal hydrogen, nuclear thermal hydrogen augmented with oxygen afterburners, and simple hydrogen/oxygen boosters
>It really depends on the ISP it can get in afterburing mode. Right now I can get 10 km/s off of the main drive with half being in Afterburing mode. >I then get 1.5-2 km/s with the 200 tons of LH2/LOX RCS propellant.
>operates only within the Earth-Moon system
https://twitter.com/ToughSf/status/1291298215019438080

How realistic is this near future space warship?

>>12738276
>USSF Alan Shepard Engaging leftover enemy KKV's in Lunar Orbit
https://twitter.com/L5Resident/status/1291566336380993536

>USSF Shepard engaging enemy contacts in LEO

>>12738276
LH2 propellant in a warship is bad news. Your endurance will be limited by boil off, so all people have to do for a soft kill is shine heat lasers on your LH2 tanks.

>>12738281
kek, one hit from an enemy and the whole fucking ship would be rendered useless. Space warfare is so gay unless we have Orion battleships

>>12737133
>>12737228
That is absolutely based but I'm sure they paint it as a bad thing.

>>12737258
So many scarebus shills ITT

>>12738318
Fuck Airbutts. I just want Lockheed to give Boing! some domestic competition again, or Cessna.

>>12738308
It reminds me of armored warfare where tanks and other armored vehicles are expensive high end machines but can be easily defeated with a single shot from the enemy.

>>12738324
Aircraft carriers only need one (1) (one) hit from a torpedo and the whole thing is rendered useless lmao. Doesn't even need to be a sophisticated or high-yield weapon. Tbh I'm surprised more of them haven't been sunk, but then again we haven't really waged war on another Navy since WWII

>>12738333
>Aircraft carriers only need one (1) (one) hit from a torpedo and the whole thing is rendered useless lmao.
Untrue

>>12738333
The primary job of the rest of the US Navy is to protect the carriers and boomers.

>>12738308
Battles in space will look more like submarine combat desu and not epic broadsides between two space battleships.

>>12738349
So based

>>12738349
I'M GONNA UNTERSPACEBOOOOOOOT!

>>12738349
Submarines are cool, I feel like submarine crews would make for better space force personnel than anyone else

>>12738374
Well they are used to living in windowless tin cans strapped to nuclear reactors. Give them some training and they'll be alright.

>Discovery
I know
But I still liked the Shepard class USS Gagarin, though it was doomed from the beginning.

>>12738333
Okay retard.
Aircraft carriers are really fucking hard to sink, just look at this docu about turning a old aircraft carrier in a reef, the amount of work that was needed to get the thing to take on water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2-Aew7SMO8

>>12738379
Despite the sinaboo name/captain I thought the USS Shenzhou's layout was pretty smart for a science ship. Put the bridge on the bottom so you can look at the body you're studying, same way the ISS cupola faces Earth, and the underslung nacelles double as landing gear.

>>12738349
>>12738308
I think people trying to imagine space combat are coming at it from the wrong direction. Instead of looking at "types" of conventional warfare and "space-ifying" them, you should consider the how and why of engagement between the most likely opponents of space conflict – Starship and a future Changship copy, in LEO.

>>12738389
>Starship and a future Changship copy, in LEO
Lure them into the path of the killsats and poke holes in the walls between their hypergolic propellant tanks with lasers.

No starship show no launch cummies maybe tomorrow maybe next month

>>12738389
Starship will be obsolete for decades before anyone else has meaningful warship capacity.

>>12736726
What would a hypothetical Changship look like?

If the Outer Space Treaty didn't exist and space would have been militarized, would've things gone faster for space?

>>12738408
for sure

>>12738406
On fire, in pieces, leaking hypergolic fumes, and scattered across multiple Chinese villages.

>>12738401
Starship will be used exclusively as Surface-to-orbit cargo ferries once legitimate space battles begin.

>>12738406
Starship, but with half the internal cargo volume, no sea level engines, and parachutes instead of propulsive landing

>>12738421
and hypergolics

>>12738374
This was my point the other day about NASA's virtue signalling. Within days of leaving earth their Globohomonauts would be in a corner rocking back and forth and refusing food

>>12738426
Oh yeah that too lmao, meant to include that

I want to do this in Skyrim. Now, if only I can gather the fucking patience to do alchemy and enchanting.

>>12738401
What's preventing the USSF from just ordering a Starship with Kratos point defense lasers, a bank of standard Mk 41 VLS cells, and an off the shelf electronic warfare suite? You could arm a Starship with existing technology.

>>12736800
You need to understand that Mars geology is what Earth geology would look like if we had no free oxygen and no water cycle. Basically all the cool shit that gets immediately weathered/dissolved/eroded on Earth will just happily sit there for billions of years on Mars. Shit like volcanic minerals that have 20%, 50%, 80% sodium chloride content which are extruded as magma and solidify as they cool will be perfectly stable on Mars, whereas on Earth they would exist until the next rain storm, and even just sitting there they would be disturbed by absorption of humidity from the air.

>>12738442
What's preventing them? There's no real enemy to fight even if they ordered something like that.

>>12738427
>Within days of leaving earth their Globohomonauts would be in a corner rocking back and forth and refusing food
Would they cut the public streams or let the world watch the True Power of Vibrant Diversity in Action?

pad upgrade nearly complete

>>12738442
The same reason they only dipped their toes into Hypersonic weapons until near-peers started doing it. It would cause an escalation that isn’t necessary right now.

>>12738406
literally an older version of starship. Similar to how they stole an older version of tesla's codebase. But considering how quickly spacex iterates this probably won't work out well for them.

>>12738450
>Starship will be obsolete before there's an opponent for a USSF Starship to fight
>everyone else is 5-10 years behind Starship
Unless you're thinking of 18m Starship, I don't see what obsoletes the architecture any time soon. And even then, 9m Starships are probably going to be flying for decades simply because they're handier. 18m is fuckhuge.

>>12737076
Yeah to really have a general understanding of the processes that occur inside a given non-stellar celestial body you need an understanding of nuclear decay, chemistry in a range of environments going from vacuum to gigapascales and near absolute zero to over 20,000 celsius, the chemical processes that are changed by a difference in elemental concentration from a few tenths of a percent to entirely different, 100% substituted minerology, etc etc. Plus you need to understand gravitational tidal interactions, hypervelocity impacts, the stellar lifecycle and how stellar remnants work, etc.
"Knowing" geology well enough to make 90% accurate predictions about the interior of Enceladus or whatever is pretty much the same thing as "knowing" engineering well enough to be able to be able to invent a new machine by yourself that does 90% of what you want it to be able to do, just given a couple of broad features (ie, I want a FFSC engine that achieves high TWR and high manufacturability).

>>12738465
I never said anything about it being obsolete. I just agree with >>12738462's reasoning. It would be like trying to build an F-35 when everyone else basically has paper mache WWI aircrafts

>>12737841
we'll be fine. we have the means to address every problem facing us. necessity dictates all

>>12738460
how the fuck do you know? also it's not a pad upgrade, it's patching, bc spacex cant land a rocket apparently (or build strong enough concrete lmao). why tf do they need concrete anyway, i'm constantly told by fanatics these steel trash cans are meant to land on uneven dirt terrain. laughable

>>12738476
I assumed you were the guy I replied to, my mistake

>>12738462
this is why. every major power has military strategists worrying about a risky arms race

>>12738476
Because I WANT milspace to escalate.

>>12738487
It's all good
>>12738492
So do I, but the fact that everyone and their mother has nukes now kind of fucks everything up.

>>12738469
My dad was a university lecturer in geology and had all kinds of weird old biology textbooks, but then he was old enough to have seen the validation for plate tectonics, which many geologists were laughing at even into the 1960s. Mad eh. I guess lots of them had careers staked on plate tectonics not being true

>>12738492
The closest you’re gonna get for now is USSF Starlift, imagine the Chang seethe

Anyone got the Perseverance images up intil now?

Space warfare, but kinetic weapons like missiles and railguns are banned like mines on Earth: because they are too destructive to the local environment. Lasers for errbody!

>>12738514
MONDAY. THEY SAID IT MULTIPLE TIMES STOP ASKING HOLY SHIT

>>12738515
If we ever got into a real situation where we were fighting the Chinese or Russians in LEO, no one would give a shit about debris. In fact I would be willing to bet that both sides would purposefully detonate kinetic weapons to just fuck the entire LEO sphere up

>>12738518
No, the color pics they already released, I can only find the black and white ones with the cap still on.

>>12738544

>>12738525
kessler syndrome is a meme parroted by antihumanists and environmentalists. in reality, the US should try to make LEO as dangerous as possible, then use Starship's upmass to deliver hardened tanksats that can withstand any kinetic impacts. the fragile mass efficient chinksats would stand no chance

>>12738546
Thanks!

>>12738544
oh, pardon me sir, i'm a bit of a hothead today. i think the only new pics are found here https://www.nasa.gov/content/perseverance-mars-rovers-first-images/

>>12738098
come on, you have to make the plot at least somewhat plausible!

>>12738515
I doubt that would happen. Besides, everyone knows we can clean up LEO when it eventually gets bad enough

>>12738556
There's a lot of shit we discuss here that is pure popsci, but kessler syndrome is a real threat. You can't go to Mars if you can't even get a Starship to leave LEO before it gets shredded

>>12738556
you're retarded. even the most robust satellite isn't going to withstand an impact of a piece of foil going 5,000 mph

>>12738562
It just depends if countries find it useful to ban certain things.

>>12738098
>Spaceship
why tf didnt musk just name it that. makes more sense and is less faggoty reddity than star ship (cringe)

>>12737998
Build a space factory attached to a rotating habitat
Mine an asteroid or moon or planet for materials
Build a second space factory and rotating habitat
Mine more materials
Build 2 more space factories and habitats
Mine more materials
Build 4 more
etc
Reach a point at which you are limited by waste heat management in terms of materials mining rates
Build space factories and habitats at this rate of materials flux
Continue until you run out of materials.
Simple as.

>>12738564
to be fair, before it ever gets to that point all space agencies will be operating laser debris scrubbers in LEO. and most satellites are going to have near term orbit decay built into them like starlink

>>12738560
Perfect!

>>12738486
>also it's not a pad upgrade, it's patching
T: retard
>bc spacex cant land a rocket apparently
The sn8-SN14 wasn't even focused on landing. Thats why it has the shitty legs and why after SN8 flew they considered it such a success they stopped making SN12-14.
>why tf do they need concrete anyway
Because its a prototype not the finished product. How retarded are you?

>>12738568
Too generic

>>12738565
>>12738564
Hello Chang! boy do I have some bad news...

>>12738560
>i'm a bit of a hothead today
Grow up

>>12738486
>how the fuck do you know?
1. I have eyes and 2. multiple people on-site are reporting it
>also it's not a pad upgrade, it's patching
Incorrect. Rebar and concrete has been placed over the old pad in order to increase its strength.
>why tf do they need concrete anyway, i'm constantly told by fanatics these steel trash cans are meant to land on uneven dirt terrain
In any kind of meaningful testing you strive to limit extraneous variables. You should have learned this in elementary school: https://www.thoughtco.com/understanding-variables-in-science-609060

>>12738573
Oh yeah I feel like in the next ~50 years it will be extremely frowned upon if you are launching to space and leaving space debris. Things like Starship, New Glenn, Electron, etc. go out of their way to make sure nothing gets left behind. And satellites are being prioritized to burn up in due time now.
BUT, and this is a big but, we can't stop people like China or India from blowing up satellites intentionally, or creating a purposeful debris field just to fuck up everyone else's access to space.

>>12738389
railgun that shoots cups of sand

>>12738579
imagine posting in a spaceflight thread and not understanding orbital velocities. it's not possible to build spacecraft that can withstand orbital impacts greater than a microparticles

>>12738579
What's your point? Seriously, what the fuck are you trying to get at.

>>12738582
you replied to obvious bait, consider necking yourself. they dont deserve ((((((you's))))))

>>12738581
i will try my best, good sir. i am learning every day about how to better conduct myself. perhaps one day i will reach the stars

>>12738587
I'm sure eventually the UN with have some sort of regulatory body for space debris. but in the near term it's not like a country doing that would limit us from reaching space, it would just be a temporary issue while we cleaned it up. what we need to be doing now is putting R&D money towards the tech that will be used to clean up LEO when we eventually need to

>>12738590
thunderfag makes entire 45 minute videos shitting on spaceX and he doesn't even know what orbital velocity is. As an example of another fag doing fag retard shit.

>>12737111
Go work for a mine

>>12738604
>UN
Not this shit again. Please rethink your life. The UN has literally no power, and we shouldn't entertain them with the idea that they do. Doesn't matter what stupid "rules" they pass, Chang and Ivan and Pooja are going to detonate kinetic weapons if they want to even if the USA acts like pussies and says "ummm guys pls don't, that's off limits!"

>>12738506
Anybody know of any books on the history of geology? there's so many books about the development of other sciences, but the great figures in the history of geology and natural history are so overlooked. I hate physics for stealing the spotlight

>>12737111
this is why i'm minoring in geology B^)

>>12738610
Yeah I really want to. Even if I get moved out to the middle of bumfuck nowhere I think a dreamjob would be leading a bunch of fellow geologists into the mines and inspecting the rock and stuff. Would be a lot of fun, and I might be able to find a company that would pay for my masters or something
>>12738618
Are you looking for a textbook, or something more like the overall development of the field in general

>>12738616
In my post I just said that it's not an issue in the long run regardless. And despite your belief that the UN has no power, it intermediates between nations on dozens of international issues, and its constituent nations take part willingly. I can't think of a more important thing that we should coordinate on than not smashing satellites into each other. I am so sick of retards that have no clue how anything works

>The UN has literally no power, and we shouldn't entertain them with the idea that they do
this is something a high school student would say. "The UN" is not an independent organization- it's just a parliament of nations. We're literally the UN and so is every other country that matters

>>12738635
You are so ignorant. Warfare has no rules retard. People like you are making America grow more weak by the day.

>>12738643
True, but that has nothing to do with what we're talking about

>>12738387
Ah, Shenzhou. She was alright, because they didn't commit the blatant copy-paste design like with the NXprise.

>>12738643
exactly, I love it when retards cry about "illegal wars" and "war crimes" and lack of "due process" like wtf do you think this is?

>>12738652
It doesn't matter if the UN institutes rules on LEO and kinetic weapons. If two countries with space capabilities ever started getting into a heated war, and the warfare made it's way to space, one-if not both-of the countries would tell the UN to fuck off and would detonate a kinetic weapon.

>>12738630
not really, more like a book on the history of the development of the science and important figures throughout. there are tons of books like this about biology and physics

>>12738662
So? That has nothing to do with making sure we don't clutter up near Earth orbit during peacetime. Are you saying that because space conflict will happen eventually we should just say fuck it and make a huge mess for ourselves later?

>>12738659
The NX-01 is /comfy/. It's just a submarine turned into a space ship

>>12738587
>we can't stop people like China or India from blowing up satellites intentionally, or creating a purposeful debris field just to fuck up everyone else's access to space.
I'm pretty sure destroying a load of critical infrastructure of several nations would be considered an act of war.

>whining about kessler syndrome
so you niggers have any idea how much SPACE there is in LEO?

>>12738680
>t. has no clue how shotguns are dangerous

>>12738680
>X is either the end of the world or not a problem at all
it's not like it could happen today, but it could eventually become a serious enough problem that having large space stations in LEO becomes unfeasible until mirco debris is dealt with. I mean seriously you don't have to pick between the two extremes people

The Tesla Roadster is about to pass its perihelion, in a few hours. Were it to be an operational spacecraft, it could do a 1.6km/s burn to fly by Mars in 19 months.

>>12738680
>>12738690
anyone that gives into kessler syndrome talking point is losing the space culture war to antihumanists. if you want to know what the alarmists believe we should do to avoid it, watch this Verge shitpiece https://youtu.be/ZKKIAsQ-cww
the solution is to just stop launching rockets lmao. it's another crabs in a bucket endgame strategy and /sfg/ is falling for it. you will never stop governments from creating debris in space. stop trying

>>12738700
See >>12738695
It isn't a problem if we actually attempt to handle it before it happens, which we absolutely can. However, if someone were to intentionally try to cause as much chaos as they could, then it very much would be a severe problem.

>>12738700
Nobody is saying to stop launching rockets you moron. I don't care about some popsci youtube video. Orbital crowding is a real issue that real space agencies take seriously

>>12738707
fucking thank you. This idiot thinks that planning ahead is somehow capitulating to the chinese

>>12738696
GIVER OF LIFE AND THE GIVER OF SPEED
EVER WE TAKE EVEN HER GRAVITY
HER GLOWING BEAUTY IS SOMETHING TO SEE
BIGGER AND BRIGHTER SHE COMETH TO ME

PERI
PERIHELION
PERI
PERIHELION

>>12738709
The guy in the video says exactly that. We need to stop launching rockets to figure it out and let nature go back to equilibrium those are the words the asshat uses. he's the one being paid to track debris

>>12738696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyfInT1y0c

>>12738718
and how does that represent an existential threat to spaceflight? spaceflight is forever tied to strategic military use. nobody is stopping it. this single retard in your youtube video means nothing

>>12738709
Not a popsci video, it's an interview with a guy that runs a space debris tracking company. These people agencies are consulting

>>12738673
I don't say I disliked it. But the design wasn't just an inspiration, they literally took the 24th century space ship, flipped it, and redesigned into 22nd century one.

>SpaceX polluting atmosphere with CO2 exhaust
>SpaceX polluting LEO with Starlink sats and F9 second stages
Thank God Biden is president, this will be handled shortly. The hammer of regulation will come down on Musk, hopefully very soon

>>12736726
Alright SFG pick your poison. I had fun writing this last thread so I’ll do it again.
OPTION A
>You are a low paid welder working for SpaceX in Boca Chica. You get to build Starships with your team and you can proudly say that you actually got to be hands on with a spaceship. Who else can say that?
>However, if SpaceX changes their weld technique, you’re out of a job. You are also a single father, and if you lose your job, your child will have to go to a crappy public school.
>Also, because you are spending so much money on your child’s education, you will never be able to afford a ride to space in your lifetime.
OPTION B
>You are an engineer working on the SLS at Boeing. Your job pays very well - upwards of $150K a year. You enjoy your co workers and your work environment. However, you work for an OldSpace company. Also, even though you dislike SLS, you know that if it is cancelled, you will be out of a job.
>Back home you have a qt wife and several children. Your wife doesn’t work and you live in a higher-income neighborhood. If you lost your job at Boeing (and all of its income) your family would have to move.
>Also you have a heart condition and you will never fly in space, no matter how much money you save.
OPTION C
>You are a millionaire who is diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor. You have $60 million at your disposal, so you decide to book a ride on Crew Dragon to the ISS. The mission will last a week, and you’ll even be able to operate machinery on the ISS.
>However, your brain tumor has given you a little over a year to live. Worse, the stresses from re-entry will kill you, making any voyage to space a one-way trip.
>You have no family on Earth. No wife, no kids, no nothing. When you die, you’ll fade away into a memory.

>>12738736
I remember people calling it the Upsidedownterprise at the time.

>>12738761

Solid state free electron lasers are needed in orbit. To clean up space debris by vaporization or pushing it to deorbit..

>>12738761
I was surprised to hear Must would support a carbon tax on JRE. I don't if he's talk about that before

>>12738816
And by space debris I mean anything ever launched by China.

>>12738761
The federal government fining people for space litter by the gram would certainly encourage the development of fully reusable rockets.

>>12738276
CIWS in space seems like a recipe for Kessler syndrome.

Starship test this week!

>>12738825
it would be an operating expense, just like a carbon tax. no meaningful change. might kill the smallsat industry but not big wallet telecoms

>>12738781
These are all awful.
I'm much better off just being myself.

>>12738854

>>12738854
Yeah right

>>12738854
>good chance
>this week
yup, see you all in Q2

>>12738781
Obviously option b because even if I work for oldspace that doesn't mean starship won't exist
Also, implying that a high-paid boeing engineer couldn't find a job elsewhere

>>12738781
Option C, being the first of my country to die in space, I wont be forgotten, probably have some memorial. Also going into space is more meanigful to me than children.

>>12738854
IT'S HOPPENING

>>12738854
yeah ok elon

>>12738786
Even Doug Drexler confirmed that's literally what happened, and to no one's surprise Rick Berman is to blame.

>>12738910
What is it with Rick’s

>>12738854
>hasn't static fired once
>"flying this week"
lol

>>12738910
FYRB

>>12738917
Exactly, who the fuck is Elon kidding? And watch them static fire it next week and blow out Raptors colon. Looking forward to that again

and in six months, we got only two starship launches. 3 in a day huh musk?

NASA press conference on Monday at noon
https://youtu.be/gYQwuYZbA6o

New images and possibly a landing video to be revealed

>>12738921
Yup, a tale as old as time now lol

>>12738936
Mars next year xdxdxd

>>12737258
stick to rowing

>>12738936
and in ten years, we got only zero SLS launches. 3 in a year huh Boeing?

>>12738963
they were planning on 3??

>>12738971
Yeah they wanted to hit 3 launches a year by the “mid 2020s”

>>12738974
mid 2020s means ~2025, not ~july of 2020

>>12738989
>implying Aerojew Shekeldyne will EVER be capable of making a dozen SSMEs per year

>>12738993
you mean Lockheed Martin

>>12739006
oh that might actually be doable then

>>12738680
not to mention that it's self-solving problem. Stuff in LEO will eventually burn up.

Show this to anyone buying into debris hysteria: https://youtu.be/aRUaENzxH44

>>12738854
so probably 2 weeks out

>>12739006
Raytheon is suicing to stop the merger

>>12738618
Sadly not

>>12738781
Option A or Option B but I'd rather have option A

>>12739029
suing*

>>12738546
It does look bleak

>>12736726
>Mars Direct
Could it have worked? People say that the engine ISP estimates and mass estimates for the vehicles was very optimistic. However Zubrin said it would’ve costed less than $100 billion. Can someone describe a timeline where we go to Mars in the 00’s instead of making the ISS?

>>12739043
It needs a casino and hookah bar

>>12739043
It's just begging for a Denny's.

https://youtu.be/xh3EKDghbuU
jupiter is pretty

>>12739051
Visibility doesn't look so good either. Anyone know how far one could see on Mars? Is it dust?

pad concrete pour is complete. Could it really dry in time for a flight this week?

>>12739049
>Could it have worked?
It relied on an SLS-type vehicle being able to do multiple 120t-to-LEO launches per year so no.

>>12739067
Why did we have to fall for the SLS meme? Why couldn’t we just use Shuttle-C?

>>12738913
>>12738921
Static fire is scheduled for tomorrow..

>>12739073
>Why couldn’t we just use Shuttle-C?
For whatever reason there was incredible screeching at the idea of operating both crewed Shuttles and Shuttle-C so it was viewed as an either/or thing.

>>12738875
People, or rather "people" have been repeating MUH Q2 2021 since SN8

>>12739073
>Expendables Pacific ocean
Shit I forgot how high up big orange goes

>>12739029
are they really? I spose the solution is for Lockheed to bjy them too

>>12739065
Depends on the mix obvs. Plenty of common mixes would be sufficiently hard within days, though concrete continues curing for decades, strangely enough

>Muh Kessler syndrome is dangerous we must stop all progress whatsoever

>>12739076
I dont care when they schedule it, call me when they DO it

>>12739065
48 hours is more than enough

>>12739109
Can /sfg/ brainstorm any good reasons to cancel space? We must know the tactics our enemies will use against us so we may get in front of them.

>>12739112
Money better spent on gibs

>>12739112
>All the money spent on space could go to welfare!!!!!
>Insert image of poor black child
However, one could argue:
>Well SpaceX is putting people of color on Mars!!!
Which is a retarded argument but a true one and I guess helps SpaceX

Elon just released images of the prototype ISRU unit

>>12739112
spess is too hwite

>>12739137
L-lewd!

>>12739112
Kessler syndrome, rocket pollution (muh climate), demilitarization, starlink trains (muh astronomy), gibs, treating budgets like a zero sum game, need more monies for covid stimulous goy

>>12739139
Space is 99% black

>>12739112
No, because the arguments used against space exploration won't be in good faith. It doesn't matter what reason they come up with and whether it makes sense or is actually true, they'll push it anyways. For example, complaining we spend too much on space – despite American women spending more per year on lipstick than NASA's entire budget

>>12739112
>muh pennies for the poor
>muh humans destroy everything
>muh kessler syndrome
>muh blocking out the stars from the poor sentinelese
>muh bring covid to space
>muh rich in space is problematic
>muh what would the aliens think

>>12739139
SpaceX launched the first nigger to space, Donald Glover! Congratulations Victor! Please tell the reporters, what does it feel like to be the first nigger launched to space?

>>12739155
planetary protection and antihumanism piss me off extremely

>>12739148
Kessler syndrome in leo is obviously a meme thanks to square cube law and the atmosphere.
However is there a scenario where it could become a problem? Asteroid mining comes to mind since it would potentially make a very large amount of debris and could be done in areas that don't clean their own orbits.

>Access to the Internet is a human right!
Just repeat this sentence over and over whenever someone criticizes Starlink.

>>12739157
The first black astronaut was based too had he died during training
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Henry_Lawrence_Jr..
>”Lawrence and other MOL astronauts laughed when asked at the announcement "Will you have to sit in the back seat of the capsule?" When asked if his selection was historic for race relations in the United States, Lawrence answered "No, I don't think so. It's another one of those things that we look forward to in civil rights — normal progression." He said that he had faced problems like other blacks, but "Perhaps I have been more fortunate than the others in the opportunities." Donald H. Peterson, chosen for MOL with Lawrence, said "I can't speak for all the people in Mississippi" but that he was not reluctant to work with a black man.”

>>12739049
Team mini

>>12739179
Not a bad idea. I can’t see SpaceX ever doing that, but it’s what I would do

>>12739174
what a way to go, ouchy

>>12739137
That rockpussy is too much like a human one, I need a weirder hole.

>>12739154
This. Anti-spacers have built up a fantasy based on their hatred of the rich that Elon and his rich friends are gonna abandon Earth for a planet that is less habitable than Earth will ever be and where they would really have to work to live. That and Kessler syndrome, something that the US government is already working to mitigate without needing to shut down spaceflight.

>>12739174
>>12739198
>”At age 32, Lawrence was killed in a plane crash at Edwards AFB on December 8, 1967.[1] He was flying backseat in an F-104 as the instructor pilot for flight test trainee Major Harvey Royer, who was learning the steep-descent glide technique. Royer made such an approach but flared too late.”
>”The airplane struck the ground hard, its main gear failed, it caught fire, and rolled. The canopy shattered and the plane bounced and skidded on the runway for 2,000 feet (610 m). Major Royer ejected upward and survived, with major injuries. The back seat, which delays a moment to avoid hitting the front seat, ejected sideways, killing Lawrence instantly. He was still strapped to his ejector seat; his parachute failed to open and was dragged 75 feet (23 m) from the wreck.”
>”Had Lawrence lived, he likely would have been among the MOL astronauts who became NASA Astronaut Group 7 after MOL's cancellation, all of whom flew on the Space Shuttle.”

what's the point of curing the concrete when SN10 crashes anyway

>>12739217
What if it doesn’t crash?

>>12739215
Fucking Starfighters man, they look good but they really where deathtraps

I wonder what would happen if animals were pooping in space. I want to bring my dog, but what if he poops and pees everywhere? They need poop vacuums all over the ship for sure

>>12739168
It's incredibly ironic to me that [certain forces which will not be named] will angrily decry anything anti-populist and then put hobbyists complaining about their pretty pictures over something that is already meaningfully changing the lives of poor and remote villages. Just shows how skin deep it all is.

>>12739237
Why did so many astronauts bite it flying T-38s?

>>12739195
Not only it's cute, but I like its deployment from cargo Starship.

how do you unironically find people IRL who are interested in spaceflight? Would be easy in US, but not in yuropoor

>>12739237
>they look good
You wot

>>12739255
I cannot fathom wanting to connect with irl normies on anything but a superficial level. Maybe it's just the autism.

>>12739254
If I was SpaceX, at least for the first few missions, I’d use a vanilla Starship as a Mars Transfer Vehicle to get the crew there and back but not land. I’d have a dedicated lander starship too just to keep ISRU fuel production low especially because it’s an unproven technology

>>12739254
Zubrin will kill himself when he realizes mini starship is never happening. it will be the final straw after decades of not being listened to, mars direct completely abandoned. i only wonder how he'll do it

>>12739110
Okay so tomorrow

>>12739252
Maybe because T-38 is the standard NASA astronaut flight trainer? You gotta fly it to crash it.

>>12739275
they wont dumbass

>>12739277
All the first astronauts were test pilots it wasn’t like they were just learning how to fly.

>>12739258
They absolutely look like 1970s sci fi Starfighters. Tell me you couldn't imagine OG Galactica launching F-104s.

>>12739277
shoulda saved dead astronauts for the moon

>>12739274
He'll take a mini-overdose

>>12739286
idk I've just always found them to be the ugly duckling of US fighters, didn't realize anyone liked them except ironically

>>12736817
Is this a colorized map showing LSD deposits?

>>12739286
>They absolutely look like 1970s sci fi Starfighters.
Yep. Oddly enough Starship looks older, like out of 1950s scifi.

>>12739287
Several Apollo astronauts (four I think?) died because of T-38 crashes.

https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/multimedia/raw-images/
Looks like Perseverance just had an image dump

>>12739255
Work in STEM, it's that easy

>>12739263
I still dream about finding someone as retarded and autistic as me, who I could talk about space for hours.

>>12739316
This, even webshitter programming jobs will put you in contact with people who can appreciate a good launch stream.

>>12739314
Based

>>12739316
Studying comp sci, not gonna happen.

>>12739314
how? anon said it failed

Why hasn’t anyone posted the rover pictures

>>12739346
uh oh...this isnt good bros

>>12739346
/sfg/ is full of dorks instead of nerds like it should be

>>12739356
>dirt in the wheels
rip

>>12739360
Doesn’t this thing have a plasmoquantum vibrator to detect lifeforms or did they do a retard and not bring anything like that

>>12739346
The gallery was already linked, no point in posting 50 images.

>>12739395
Post 50 images

>>12739302
Aesthetically the best WW2 fighter was the P-38, the most aesthetic early cold War fighter was the Draken, the most aesthetic late cold war fighter was the F-15SE, and the most aesthetic stealth era fighter is between the F-22 and the XQ-58A Valkyrie

>>12739372
Rover can only detect evidence of past forms of life, not current forms of life

>>12739427
>Marvin comes out from behind a rock and moon the rover
>image corrupted because it can only detect past life

>>12739427
Wow NASA is cringe

>>12739425

>>12739428
Martians are a memetic hazard

>>12739430
the best part is it cant detect ancient life either. that's why they need sample return. i think they took instruments off the rover to make room for sample storage apparatus. wonder if they'll ever get back to earth

>>12739461
It'll happen, bro. You can trust the esa.

>>12739433
Ugh it's like butter. Such a beautiful machine

>>12738324
Modern tanks have enough frontal armor to deal with most ATGMs, and from a far enough distance modern APFSDS as well. Although with active protection systems becoming more widespread we'll probably see less emphasis on armor.

>>12739433
The Valkyrie is pretty cool, anon

>>12739356
Why

>>12739486
It is. And the surprising thing is a company that you never heard of made it.
I hope we can return to that 40s/50s/60s high were companies were sprouting up and making major contributions. That optimism that technology will free the world.

>>12736726
So would we have colonized Mars without SpaceX? I’m thinking yes, but it would happen in the 2060s-2080s. We probably would’ve landed in the 2040s but then not come back for a few decades just like the moon

>>12739509
The ruling elites would never allow Mars colonization.

>>12739065
28 days for the concrete to cure properly

>>12739237
the early ones yeah, I don't think the Germans updated theirs as quickly as the yanks.
This was one of my fav planes growing up.

>>12739522
The Germans also used a high altitude interceptor as a low altitude ground attack plane in mountainous territory.

>>12739509
>>12739512
On that note, would Mars One have worked? If it wasn’t a scam that is.

>>12739499
>And the surprising thing is a company that you never heard of made it.
I've got $5k in their stock and LEAPs, they also have space industry exposure

>>12739314
>Not Krystal
Disappoint

>>12739528
>surface level glass houses
>all your vegetables are radiation poisoned
no

>>12739528
Mmmm pay me and maybe I'll tell you one day!

>>12739527
kek yes
Luftwaffe: Hans, why are we having so many crashes? Weird, no?

>>12739528
The only structures on Mars will be Nippopoli.

>>12739274
he had a role in elon's current trajectory. I'd be satisfied with that were I in his shoes

>>12739553
Zubrin failed though in a way. He spent all his time trying to lobby NASA to change but they never did.

hop when?

>>12739563
This week! haha. Buy crypto! haha. Short GME haha. xdxdxdxdxdxd

>>12739556
Had Zubrin not done so Elon would have wasted his time trying.

>>12739314
nice. I was getting a bit worried. Saw a lot of people raising a stink about the blackout since landing.

>>12739580
It was 98% FUDposters but I’m not gonna lie that it was really strange

https://youtu.be/63_sxo_VsGE

>>12739587
Oh no oh god of FUCK BOINGBROS WE GOT TOO COCKY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Had to watch hidden figures. Feels like a lot of bullshit. What are the inaccuracies?

>>12739433
so good https://youtu.be/080q2qODKnY

>>12739593
I thought it was cool that the German scientists were nice to her and not assholes. Also John Glenn based as always.

>>12739580
This is the result of the womyn "influencers" that are now in charge of NASA's PR.

>>12739237
Suicide is badass, also ony Ger had major operating problem, every other operator's loss rate was just plain average.
Talons were cute af as well!

>>12739600
I really want the final model to look like this. it's not even crinkly

>>12736726
Mars Direct summary. 10 minute video it’s pretty cool.
> https://youtu.be/sInxOaEBPJk
The biggest problem I have with it is that it basically requires SLS, which means that it would never fly IRL.

>>12739612
not only SLS, but SLS flying 10x more frequently than it actually will

>>12739112
>We must know the tactics our enemies will use against us so we may get in front of them.
This is a defensive posture, which in the current environment is largely ineffective. Offense is the way to go, either by spearheading narratives or redirecting anti-space ones. Bonus point if you get to call these people racist, for both ironic and practical reasons.
And by the way, the best way to move past this woke shit is to weaponize it against the powerful. The moment the ruling class becomes inconvenienced it'll disappear.

A quick and dirty example using starlink: reference starlink as a means to help impoverished and minority groups (true). Then paint those against starlink as being against it because they hate minorities and don't want them to access the internet (probably false but it's not like these people care about truth so w/e). Or say that they value their billion-dollar white man telescopes more than bringing these communities up to speed.
These people have been bringing guns to a fistfight for a long time now. If they're seriously going to impede the progress of our species they can taste their own medicine.

>>12739618
Jej imagine the war between Starlink fans and Astronomyfags and the former shitting on the Kuck Telescope in order to fund Mars missions

>>12739600
The movie was mostly fake

>>12739621
*Cuck Telescope

>>12739618
Starlink critics are racists, spread the word.

>>12739073
A
Fucking
Tank
on a
Tank

>>12739593
it's a book adapting material that took a lot of liberties with reality, but the bit where Glenn refuses to get in the EVA before one of the kweens doublechecks the flight calculations is real

>>12739625
I know I’m supposed to be excited about those big ground observatories but honestly man I don’t give a shit about them. I want more Space Telescopes.

>>12739433
As expensive as the F22 is goddamn if it aint a sexy plane that can actually do its fucking job.

>>12739637
That's why we don't export it.

>The plane is fine
>It was just the engine
OHNONONONO

>>12739540
Plants don't give a shit about radiation.

>>12739635
Get in the EVA, Glenn

>>12739618
"A quick and dirty example using starlink: reference starlink as a means to help impoverished and minority groups (true). Then paint those against starlink as being against it because they hate minorities and don't want them to access the internet (probably false but it's not like these people care about truth so w/e). Or say that they value their billion-dollar white man telescopes more than bringing these communities up to speed."

Reminds me of that Norman Borlaugh quote

>>12739635
That’s actually really cool of John Glenn. A lot of the astronauts were cool guys in real life. Of course a bunch of them had awful home lives but still.
>Al Shepard cheated on his wife a lot
>Gordo Cooper cheated on his wife a lot
>Pete Conrad cheated on his wife a lot
>Buzz Aldrin cheated on his wife a lot

>>12739593
A lot is wrong with it but she also should never have been hired

>>12739651
They were chads and evolution did not intend chads to be monogamous.

>>12739643
Looks like one of the blades decided it didn't want to live in this world anymore and fragged the engine. It would explain the cowling separation and being split up (F for the poor bastard's truck that it landed on), but what the hell caused that hole in the plane skin?

>>12739651
Pretty fucking based desu.

>>12739651
Man astronaut wives must be some lazy boring bitches.

>>12739646
Or Komarov has to do it again!!!

>>12739643
holy fuck, lucky bastards

>>12739656
and the same day a 747 decided to barf out its turbine blades too. What the fuck?
>>12739636
this shit is absolutely the future. Hell, in a few decades we'll probably have smallsat telescopes in orbit that you can rent.
>>12739651
to be fair women do throw themselves at men like that. Would make shit difficult.

>>12739674
Idk man it just feels weird I mean these men are propped up as being the pinnacle of American spirit but then they cheat on their wives. It just feels wrong what if your wife cheated on you?

>>12739676
Shoot her

>>12739676
>these men are propped up as being the pinnacle of American spirit but then they cheat on their wives. It just feels wrong what if your wife cheated on you?
Men and women are qualitatively different. A key that opens a lot of locks is a good key. A lock that opens to a wide variety of keys is a bad lock.

>>12739676
Women are property. 'Liberty' only made women the property of corporations.

>>12739676
I agree, actually. Just stating that these kinds of situations have more to them than man = evil. Also I wonder if it's a personality thing? I mean, a normal person wouldn't throw themselves on top of an experimental skyscraper full of fuel when not long prior 3 guys were burnt to cinders doing the same shit.