/sci/ - Science & Math

First for fuck Solid Liquid Solid

What was your first time in orbit like?

>>12733854
I like how this concept has existed for like 40 years, and NASA still managed to fuck it up.

skylab shuttle edition

>>12733827
>NG has like double the payload of FH to GTO in a reusable configuration. If they have to use Falcon, it’ll be because they need the extra performance of the expendable version.
Makes sense. Has SpaceX ever released official FH reusable stats? How about expending center core only stats? I've seen on inferences but I don't think everything official.

>NG has like double the payload of FH to GTO in a reusable configuration
and likewise expendable Falcon Heavy pulls x2 New Glenn's GTO payload. Reusability is great but it really starts to hurt in more demanding regimes. In-orbit refueling is the obvious solution, but before that perhaps it's best to just maximize payload per launch for now.

>>12733856
Speaking of which... everyone here has signed up for a chance at getting on that Inspiration launch, right?

>>12733874
Is Skylab way smaller there or am I just wrong? I thought it'd be bigger than Shuttle, not the other way around.

>>12733849
Why not have a small molten sodium reactor NTR and one big fuel tank on starship? Better performance and fuel flexibility

Coвeтcкий штypм Mapca edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVJfjDOa3TI

Could you cuddle with the rovers?

Ass-es,sment:

Sojourner
>Despite being microwave oven sized (very cuddlable) it had no significant sores of harmful radiation on board. Sojourner also has been part of the cool mars rover gang. Launched in hate 1996 he probably listens to Blur and Garbage a lot.
>8/10

Opportunity
>Part of the MER gang Opportunity had some experiments of radioactive nature as well as a radioisotope heater which largely depleted their initially relatively tame amounts of of since. He's holding several endurance records and had the most dramatic send-off 2 years ago. Launched in 03 he, alongside spirit probably listens to the early Avril Lavigne stuff and Incubus Sized like a llama and with his mast head, I'm giving him a
>9.2/10

Spirit
>As Opportunity part of the MER program he's pretty much the same gig. He lasted 20 times longer than his expected design life of 90 days, less than half of Oppy'S. BUT he drew a Bepis in the sand that one time and is therefore the more hardcore one so he's prb more of a Celldweller fan. The MER rovers also had that cool video with the Delta2's "How to get to Mars * Very Cool"
>9.4/10

Curiosity
>Has a giant RTG instead of the nice solar panels making him "very glowy" and looking like a scorpion, a truck sized scorpion, which sounds neat, but isn't. He also takes selfies and has flimsy wheels. Launched in 12 you could hold it to him that he kept it up while space was at it's all time low, did they even make music in 2012? Overall too big, warmfuzzy and zoomy to even attempt a cuddling.
>3/10

Perseverance
>Based on Curiosity it's looking pretty bleak, but the imagery is cool already and he's doing the pretty clever thing of fucking off to mars while we are all dying from the tvirus here, so he's a survivor, he also brought the copter that is very cool and cute, like Chewbacca and a Porg. Without sufficient data I will leave it at that. I think he was listening to MellowSonic the other day.
>to be determined/10

>>12733880
There's no chance in hell I'm gonna board a space ship so early.

>>12733898
This is the best time though. People pay close attention to early missions so they go off as successfully as possible. Once things are routine people start falling asleep at the wheel and that's when things get bad.

>>12733887
Reminder that Skylab was basically just the upper stage of a Saturn V (the smallest stage) and had a little part up top where the Apollo capsule was that they just covered with a fairing on the way up. It's pretty girthy though compared to the shuttle

Could you cuddle with the rovers?

Ass-es,sment:

Sojourner
>Despite being microwave-oven sized (very cuddlable) it had no significant sources of harmful radiation on board. Sojourner also has been part of the cool mars rover gang. Launched in late 1996 he probably listens to Blur and Garbage a lot.
>8/10

Opportunity
>Part of the MER gang Opportunity had some experiments of radioactive nature as well as a radioisotope heater which largely depleted their initially relatively tame amounts of radiation since. He's holding several endurance records and had the most dramatic send-off 2 years ago. Launched in 03 alongside spirit, he probably listens to early Avril Lavigne stuff and Incubus. Sized like a llama and with his mast head, I'm giving him a
>9.2/10

Spirit
>As Opportunity part of the MER program he's pretty much the same gig. He lasted 20 times longer than his expected design life of 90 days, less than half of Oppy'S. BUT he drew a Bepis in the sand that one time and is therefore the more hardcore one so he's prb more of a Celldweller fan. The MER rovers also had that cool video with the Delta2's "How to get to Mars * Very Cool"
>9.4/10

Curiosity
>Has a giant RTG instead of the nice solar panels making him "very glowy" and looking like a scorpion, a truck sized scorpion, which sounds neat, but isn't. He also takes selfies and has flimsy wheels. Launched in 12 you could hold it to him that he kept it up while space was at it's all time low, did they even make music in 2012? Overall too big, warmfuzzy and zoomy to even attempt a cuddling.
>3/10

Perseverance
>Based on Curiosity it's looking pretty bleak, but the imagery is cool already and he's doing the pretty clever thing of fucking off to mars while we are all dying from the tvirus here, so he's a survivor, he also brought the copter that is very cool and cute, like Chewbacca and a Porg. Without sufficient data I will leave it at that. I think he was listening to MellowSonic the other day.
>to be determined/10

>>12733887
the shuttle payload bay and the s-ivb stage were both about 18 metres long, but in this image skylab's core is clearely way shorter than the payload bay. so yeah, they fucked up the scales.

>>12733890
woah he walk!

We are getting high quality pics and videos from Mars on Monday, right?

>>12733929
[supposedly]

>>12733929
don't post nsfw here!

>>12733936

>Oldspace's face when they realize that intentionally expending their competitor's reusable rockets is still hundreds of millions of dollars cheaper for putting payloads in lunar orbit because "ha ha RP-1 go throoost" and the Merlin being essentially the best possible kerolox gas generator design make up for any specific impulse losses inside Earth's gravity well

wet workshop starship when

Why all of these individual missions when instead we could have a robotic outpost on Mars?

>>12733952
kek

>>12733954
Wait how the fuck did they get that telescope mount on there? Did it go up separately or did it somehow fold out?

>>12733914
Mars Chan likes them all but she is not to be considered to be a reliable source for objective assessments

Will Starliner do a test flight this year?

>>12733968
[supposedly]

>The launch of the next test flight of Boeing’s Starliner crew capsule has been delayed to no earlier than April 2 after workers replaced spacecraft avionics units damaged in a power surge during testing.

Stripes, stripes for everyone!

>>12733890

>>12733954
what did the telescope even do

>>12733990
Stupidest fucking weapon to bring to space
>>12733994
Based

>>12734000
Looked at the Sun. Kind of sucked though, you had to operate it manually (look at all this BS) and you had to do EVA's to go retrieve physical film.

>>12734010
He looks pretty disgusted with the whole thing.

>>12734010
>Alright Gene, uh, what the fuck do I do here?

>>12733954
Starship is too reusable for wet workshops to make sense. Just loft a Skylab sized inflatable, a can of compressed air, some solar panels, some radiators, an Apollo Telescope equivalent, and an airlock module. You could use a Shuttle style orbital assembly Starship (small cockpit up front, clamshell cargo bay doors and a robot arm aft) to loft and build it all in one trip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnT4G14_Fqs&feature=emb_title

eric berger is going to be on NSF to talk about recent spaceflight developments

>farmers in France are blocking Starlink ground stations
>claim the radiation reduces cow milk production
kek

>>12734010
>had to do EVA's to go retrieve physical film.
that's hardcore

>>12734047
wet workshop starship is probably overkill as well. That's an absolute fuckton of space

>>12733987
>it's real
https://spaceflightnow.com/2021/02/20/launch-of-starliner-test-flight-slips-to-april-2/

>>12733856
light

>>12733994
how he walk??

>>12734078
>>12733987

>>12734000
Oh god...
I...I'm gonna...LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK!

>>12733987
SpaceX is going to have a monopoly because it's competitors suck

>>12734069
europe is barely first world

>>12734002
MURICA FUCK YEAH!

>>12733987
>>12734078
JUST

>>12733849

>>12734002
TV logic. How are we supposed to identify them as American soldiers without M16s? Space suits are too anonymous.

>>12734102
the encoded ir tv remote things they stick on current soldiers.

>>12733990
>weapons are not even adapted to be aimable with a fucking huge bowl around your head

>>12733856
I threw up

>>12734096
Can Starship carry an f-35 to orbit?

>>12734112
Four of them.

>>12733934
yeah, I was surprised to learn that F9 2nd stage has more delta V to work with
>NG
either they designed this thing specifically for Amazon's starlink competitor with little thought put into anything else, or they were just blinding copying spacex from the start.

>>12733987
Muh aerospace avionics

>>12734123

How the fuck did Starliner get a bigger piece of the ComCrew pie? They haven't even flown one (1) (one) astronaut yet. Meanwhile SpaceX and NASA are already slotting astronauts into their fourth or fifth flight lmao

>>12734136
>How the fuck did Starliner get a bigger piece of the ComCrew pie?
The contract was decided before the 737 Maxipad revealed how incompetent Boing! had become.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnT4G14_Fqs

>>12734141
737 max revealed how incompetent thirdie pilots are
And how retarded the FAA regulatory environment is

>>12733954
>wet workshop
Isn't that Nanoracks' next big project?

>>12734047
>Starship is too reusable for wet workshops
Every fucking time with this meme. Starship is quick and cheap, which cannot be said for any station on the horizon, which makes it a totally viable platform. It literally does not matter how reusable it is.

>>12734124
>yeah, I was surprised to learn that F9 2nd stage has more delta V to work with
F9 second stage is like three times the size of a Centaur/ICPS and has much better bulk density. The real limitation is that in reusable mode the rocket stages at like 2km/s. Letting the first stage burn all the way out gets you much closer to orbit.

>>12734145
You don't even need to convert SS into a wet workshop. The nose cone alone is more space than any station ever launched. If you cut into the fuel tanks and made a wet workshop you would have WAY too much fucking room to work with

>>12734078
>can be repaired
Well at least it beat Orion at something

>>12733849

the politics of solid rocket boosters

>>12734078
>they have sabotaged the crewed Dream Chaser for THIS

>>12734195

We should turn Olympus Mons into a massive arcology hive city where the central magma pipe is a massive atmospheric processor to terraform Mars’ atmosphere and seed base organisms all over the planet

>>12734152
starship hotels when.

>>12734204
Just need it to be
>”OH GODDARD, I’M BOOOOSSSSTTINNGG!”

>>12734198
that decision was such bullshit. I hope the cargo variant works flawlessly just to make boeing look even worse

>>12734145
>>12734152
there is literally no fucking reason to do this when you could make a 1000 stations with one starship.

>>12734204
>kills astronauts and teachers, can still spam countries with warheads decades later

>>12734198
Maybe the Space Force will pick it up as a replacement for the X-37b.

test

>>12733987
>>12734078
I've said it before:
Astronauts will never fly on Starliner

>>12734232
Are you fucking kidding me, why the fuck is it detecting spam. This has been happening more and more frequently recently FUCK OFF
>>12734214
Yeah I hope so too. Good middle finger to NASA and congress
>>12734204
Kek, makes me laugh every time

what was the recent rocket that used a first stage srb from the 70s to put a satellite in orbit, and it launched and just fucked off?

you can colonize mars or you can terraform it in a reasonable time period, you cannot do both. Mars terraforming, that is giving it an atmosphere you don't need to wear a suit in, by nuking it, releasing green house gases, or using a giant mirror has been shown to be impractical. But get this, if we collide a moon or moons of saturn we can probably give Mars an atmosphere in a reasonable time scale. So I know what you're thinking, are you out of your fucking mind? To which I say yes, colliding moons of saturn with Mars is absolutely insane, but not as outright ridiculous as it sounds. The reason we choose moons of saturn rather than comets and what not is that we can play orbital billiards in the saturnian system to eject Moons of saturn on a trajectory to hit Mars. You can exchange orbital energy of various moons of saturn for a relatively low cost. For example by setting up asteroids to perform repeated gravity assists between Moons of Saturn. The orbital ring meme may also be another way to do this. The point is by doing orbital billiards you can accomplish ejecting a moon or more with reasonable amounts of energy and investment. Now here comes the second part, if we set up the moon impact just right we can also vaporize some of Mars getting more atmosphere than if we were to vaporize the whole Moon. I don't know how much or if this is significant, I ain't done the math. The problem is, we sort of can't do this if we have people on Mars, because the impact of moons of saturn could kill lots of people. The impact of a moon would make the explosion of the entire nuclear stockpile look like a fucking joke. In addition, humans on Mars may be rather resistant to having their backyard vaporized presenting the ultimate NIMBY issue. I will admit I need to work some more numbers out here. It's possible that moons of saturn might have too much water in them that would condense out shortly after impact.

>>12734261
we're arguing about the economics of building, testing and launching what amounts to several hundred tonnes of stainless steel into orbit. any talk of moving moons or nuking anything is for the birds. it's scifi bullshit and will stay that way.

>>12733889
Government doesn't want to.

When do we think they will begin working on the Lunar lander version?

>>12734261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej9ltDAlVOI

>>12733968
I hope so.

>>12733849
I’ve been on a Mars Colonizaiton gone lately and I found the original Mars Direct presentation from 1990. It even features a young Robert Zubrin.

>https://youtu.be/vD3U0QcEYXs

He starts off by taking about Mars Direct, then talks about using nuclear shuttles to fly around Mars, and then talks about colonizing it before 2050. I strongly recommend you guys watch this if you have an extra hour.

MRO passes over the Jezero crater as Perseverance waits for the last hours of the Martin day

>watching hullo's new video
>open up KSP to fuck around in
>loading screen text says ''Fly Safe''
I'm being watched lads

>>12734338
Think it's a Scott Manley reference

>>12734272
Anon this is the space faggotry containment thread. And yes this idea is insane scifi bullshit because I haven't run very many numbers.
>>12734292
great. How the fuck does that fucking piece of trash software calculate atmospheric pressure and temperature?

So I was looking through the wiki page on perseverance and I found this.

How the fuck does an overglorified go kart cost 2 billion dollars? If launch costs are really less than 10% of construction costs, why not just build much cheaper, shitter rovers and just send a couple?

>>12734198
Why do heat shields on spaceplanes always have such specific shapes. Of note is Buran, which had literally the most random shape on black tiles near the nose

>>12734344
that's the point of the post

>>12734349
How do piece of shit terrafaggots calculate their atmospheric pressure and temperature? You the ones insisting we should devote the entirety of humanity's collective effort over the next several thousand years to throwing rocks at each other. The burden is on you.

>>12734353
Curiosity and Perseverance together cost $5 Billion. You could build 2,500 Raptor engines with that money

>>12734353
I doubt the actual rover costs that much, its all the science instruments on board that are expensive, because they need to be extremely precise while also being one off builds.

>>12734078
>Power supply malfunctions
>can't replace power supply
>replace thing damaged by power supply instead

Someone is claiming that the new steel plant near Corpus Christi is going to provide steel for Boca Chica, and not just Tesla. It was basically a given but it's nice to hear some kind of confirmation.
https://old.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/lnc4ul/widest_us_stainless_steel_sheet_rolling_mill/go4amwu/

>>12733890
I prefer locally built Martian walkers

>>12734296
thanks anon

>>12734379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RRe40O6QKU
*Blocks your path*

>going through Skylab folder
Holy shit when did they come up with th...
>SLS
Welp. [spacecraft discarded]

>>12734385
Oh shid XD fugging urf ironglads :DDDD

HAPPENING, NIGGAS
BOING PLANES ON THE NEWS AGAIN
https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/UA328?src=hashtag_click
https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1363236373046714369
https://twitter.com/BroomfieldPD/status/1363229479141785606
https://www.denverpost.com/2021/02/20/broomfield-airplane-parts-dia-emergency-landing/

>>12734386
I miss the old days of SLS when it could do a bunch of cool shit.

Can someone explain why we as a society collectively believe in evolution. But no one can even remotely suggest that evolutionary pressure would drive creatures underground.

Like there are no magic lakes or vents. Same trash as earth. Not to mention it would of had enough of an atmosphere to general life conditions. So why in god's name is that never considered?

>>12734410
BOING!

>>12734410
Holy shit
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1363239970358624259

>>12734412
So I guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qAjxWV7Xdo was reconsidered after all.

>>12734413
>Organism population wanders into a cave
>They live there
>Most of them die because they’re not adapted to it
>1 in 100 of their offspring have night vision as a random mutation
>Generation 2 is 10% Night vision mutants
>Gen 3 is 50%

>>12734426
Sort of. The mission used a single SLS launch with a third stage attached. Think of it like the offspring of SLS Block I and II together. The third stage entered the stack into the NRHO/DRO/EML2

>>12734410
it's just an engine explosion. air travel will never be safe. the FAA will investigate

>>12734410
>engine parts fell onto homes
holy fuck

lol this is like 20 min from my house
https://twitter.com/BroomfieldPD/status/1363239786085982209

>>12734410
>>12734445

>>12734445
BWAHAHAHAHA I hope they go under

>>12734410
https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelagiulia/status/1363241125495136267
my god, the engine nearly tore itself to shreds. How the hell did that happen?

>>12734460

>>12734460
HAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

>>12734460
Holy fuck lmao

>>12734460
look at those replies from filthy reporters trying to get free usage of the video. every single fucking time on twitter someone posts a news worthy video or photo that happens. damn leeches

>>12734410
Did anyone post about the 747 that shit engine parts over a town in the Netherlands earlier today? Good going Boing
https://twitter.com/r_eygelshoven/status/1363161499515183106
https://twitter.com/Ralph_M88/status/1363161389330817032

>>12734370
Or just use a bunch of shitty sensors and average them to get the true value. I mean just imagine the size of the swarm you could build if you just built the rovers on a $1k mobile phone.

>>12734474
>BREAKING Turbine blades of a Boeing 747-400F’s engine fell on several parked cars
>https://www.airlive.net/breaking-turbine-blades-of-a-boeing-747-400fs-engine-fell-on-several-parked-cars/
you've got to be shitting me. Good going boing
>another starliner failure
>two plane engine failures
>all in the same day

>>12734237

Starliner isnt even needed. Dragon suffices plenty and Soyuz and Dragon are so reliable that any freak incident from one means that the other has the situation covered comfortably. The pairing becomes even more obvious when you see what niche each spacecraft covers: Soyuz for fast but uncomfy ride, Dragon for slow but comfy ride.

That is besides the point that nobody wants Starliner to throw an impromptu RCS rave party near the ISS and putting everyone lives at risk.

>>12734482
I mean to be fair... haha just kidding, fuck Boeing to death I hope they get fucked out of existence

>>12734460
JUST A BIT OF FIRE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. Please keep surpoting the best AUS airline and #1 NASA partner :)

>>12734474
>>12734482
What a shitshow

>>12734410
>>12734474
>BOING

>>12734482
maybe this is russian hacking

We need more women in space.

>>12734498
I bet that's why the green run failed. FUCKING RUS COMPUTER MAGIC

>>12734502
I want to be smothered by all those mommy breasts

>>12734460
>this is NASA's main provider

>>12734502
hahaha fune monke

>>12734502
Uhhh...guys?

>>12734482
>>12734474
>>12734410

LMAO.

>>12734143
This, i dislike boeing for space but the max is a good fly

>>12734519
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyT5tHbOLw

looks like this section is about to get a full heatshield

>>12734445
BOING! BOING! BOING!

>>12733856
Too bad that this post is made only as a joke in 2021. What could have been.

>>12734338
So weird that I used to watch his eve videos and now i watch his space videos

>>12734502
We need more tomboys in space.

>>12734536
What's the white stuff on the steel?

>>12734460
>everyone is mad a boeing
>is a GE engine
>united mechanics
Yep

>>12734558
Cocaine.

>>12734558
insulation, the black tiles go on top of it

>>12734385
Good taste.
>>12734558
Oreo filling.

>>12734560
boeing has become a bit of a punching bag lately. You're right, though. It'll be interesting to see what the actual cause was.
>>united mechanics
are they know to be bad at their jobs or something?

>>12734571
>are they know to be bad at their jobs or something?
Isn't that the same airline where security beats up up passengers and drags them off planes?

>>12734571
If GE turbofans become known as unreliable our military is up shit creek. I think it's either a plane thing or a mechanic thing.

>>12734577
god i would love that job

>>12734571
have a friend who's dad works at DIA for United as a mechanic. took him 10 years of being employed before he was senior enough to NOT have the night shift.
It's a horrible culture, at least at DIA

>>12734571
>are they know to be bad at their jobs or something?
No its just they are the ones who routinely have to clear the planes as airworthy so they probably missed something. This is like the southwest incident where they had to start subsonic testing of the engine blades because of microscopic cracks that were developing. Since its a mainline carrier it most likely isn't their fault but it could be. Nothing will be known until the investigation is complete.

>>12733914
For me, it's Sojourner. It's just too fucking compact and cute.

>>12734577
>>12734581
That wasn't united that was the airport police on a united flight.

>>12734583
>took him 10 years of being employed before he was senior enough to NOT have the night shift
That is literally every airline. Its all seniority based no matter the position.

>>12734447
Quick anon, go over there and Reclaim some debries as trophy in the name of /sfg/

>>12734447
Oh nice take that static port piece and make something

>you will never rip across virgin Martian soil on a Martian produced sports bike while blasting Derezzed

>>12734502
they look like a bunch of nerds

>>12734447
looks like cardboard

>>12734445
>>12734546
>>12734474
>>12734460
literally china tier

wait. Are we really going to rely on the ESA to bring Percy's samples back to earth?

>>12734642
You got a problem with that?

>>12734642
yes :)

>>12734642

Yep, enjoy the shitshow. By the way, if the samples are in those tubes for years on end, wouldnt they be contaminated by years of contact of said tubes?

>>12734644
It was Pratt & Whitney's engine.

>>12734649
On a Boing plane.

>>12734648
Imagine the (((astrobiologists))) getting the sample back 20 years later and they turn around and say
>sorry, this sample is inconclusive. we need to redo the mission ;)

>>12734651
>everything is fine

>>12734642
Yes you are. Don't worry tough, Airbus is in charge. You know, the manufacturer that didn't blow up two of it's engines today

>>12734646
lmao

>>12734651
It's from before Boeing went to shit, it was a 777-200.
There's nothing wrong with the plane, it's fine.

>>12734666
>it's fine
Sure, Satan.

>>12734649
looked it up. The 777 runs on the GE90

>>12734674
There are multiple engines available for the 777. That particular plane is using PW4000s.

Do you think the aliens will help us or hinder us

>>12734642
The fetch rover and return vehicle are ESA, the lander and ascent vehicle are still without contractors iirc

>>12734668
What I mean is it's not indicative of a design defect.
Either a manufacturing or maintenance error.
The design is sound.

>>12734678
yeah, that shit is never leaving mars

>>12734666
>There's nothing wrong with the plane, it's fine.
>666

>>12734666
>There's nothing wrong with the plane, it's fine.
That sounds like something satan would say

>>12734683

>3021
>Esmeralda Von Musk is playing with her robofriends on a grassy field on the recently terraformed Mars
>When running she trips over something
>Turns out to be a couple of rusted tubes
>Faint paint residue still barely clings on the outside
>It spells out Perseverance Sample Tube

>>12734701
>recently terraformed
Stopped reading.

>>12734704
fag

>>12734714
retard

>>12734704
SpaceX wants to terraform mars, what are you gonna do about it? Sabotage them?

>>12734716
We will terraform Mars even if it makes you seethe

>>12734719
SpaceX also wanted a 32m carbon fiber-tank starship. Sometimes they promise shit, and it turns out to be impossible in the long run. Terraforming is just a meme that Musk is pushing to attract redditors and Kurzgezat viewers to support his mission. He knows its impossible in the long run

Is ''Terraforming'' the most contentious word one can post in /sfg/?

>>12734720
Good luck with your magic spells, gasbag.

>>12734727
Paraterraforming at minimum is inevitable.

>>12734727
No, "O'Neill Cylinder" is.

>>12734734
O’Neill cylinders are an awesome idea and we should build trillions.

Would it make sense to keep planets to act as anchors for many of them?

>>12734737
>keep planets
Are you really so fucking delusional that you think any planet can be unmade in any way?

>>12734725
>He knows that my view is right
You're a retarded nigger, it wouldn't even be that hard to create a thick atmosphere and small oceans on mars. It'd only be hard to produce oceans on the scale of earth oceans.

>>12734740
It’s objectively possible to dismantle a planet, moon, or asteroid over time.

>>12734410
>>12734460
if it's boeing, i aint going.

>>12734743
>it wouldn't even be that hard to create a thick atmosphere

>>12734745
I wonder whether there's enough usable light element reaction mass in the solar system to even lift a planet's worth of rock

>>12734745

>>12734740
Pretty trivial with automation and a few millions years time. You don't even need AGI for it.

>>12734743
Mars already has enough ice water to flood most of the northern hemisphere

>>12734644
>he doesn't want a free engine cowling
plebian

>>12734750
Mars is light enough to construct a space elevator with modern materials.

>>12734748
compared to other stuff like o'neil cylinders and creating large oceans on mars it isn't that difficult. also, it'll be a lot easier once you already have a large in space economy.

>>12734727
See also "printing" "depots"

>>12734755
>bro its pretty trivial if you just invent some speculative technology that runs uninterrupted for literal aeons
Jesus.
FUCKING.
Christ.
You terrafaggot redditors are completely detached from reality. You are a leaking boil on the anus of a cancerous rodent.

>>12734648
>Scientist have confirmed that there is covid on Mars. Vaccine required before travel.

>>12734752
>planets aren’t objects that can be lifted they are magic

>>12734727
no that would be "3d printing"

>>12734743
>it wouldn't even be that hard to create a thick atmosphere and small oceans on mars
wew

>>12734768
>o'neil cylinders and creating large oceans on mars
Why are these two things uttered in the same breath? There's a pretty massive fucking gap between building relatively large space stations and moving an entire fucking planet's worth of water and gas.

Isaac Arthur should be flayed in public after due process.

>>12734659
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Airbus_A320_family

>>12734768
>creating large oceans on mars it isn't that difficult
issac pls

>>12734774
You think the universe is a fucking 4x game that can be changed infinitely on a whim without loss or any feasible infrastructure. You are a fucking idiot.

>>12734775
People can rage all they want but 3d printing is the easiest form of off world construction

>yea like we can just build some mirrors and shift the sun
this is your brain on youtube

>>12734792
have you ever used a 3d printer? it's like saying a 5 axis mill will be the easiest form of off world construction, which is clearly bullshit.

>>12734743
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE CAN EASILY DO THE HECKIN TERRAFORMARINOOOOOOOOOOO, ANTON PETROV SAID SOOOOOOO

>>12734786
I’m sorry you don’t understand basic ideas like lifting stones.

>>12734806
You are either a low effort troll, or you are genuinely an idiot

>>12734799
Yes I have used a 3D printer and yes it is the easiest form of construction on another planet.

>>12734803
what if, like, we just took the entire mass of the solar system, right, and just slammed it into my ass? we could create a ring world that manipulated the sun and black holes and stuff.

>>12734806

>>12734811
...and yes I come from reddit and yes I watch Isaac Awthuh

>>12734811
be quiet prooonter

>>12734810
>ur trollin if you think it possibul to pick up thing with rocket n den lift it

>>12734811
why, when it isn't the easiest form of construction on this planet (and we have countless forms of construction), would it be the easiest form of construction on another planet?

>>12734818
>>12734820
Go away tunnel autists

>will deconstruct mars into fooolament and proont another with an atmosphere

>2 fucking Boing happenings
JUTS
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>12734838
i put $1000 on a max crashing due to software issues this year.

>>12734560
this. Everyone should be impressed that the airliner can safely land with only one engine, but no.

>>12734782
>most ordered jet airliner has many incidents
Wow

>>12734803
>NOOOO WE HAVE TO COVER EVERYTHING IN FACTORIES BECAUSE I LIKE TO BE EDGYYYYY

>>12734845
this is the company that during their latest gen airliner grounding had in house mechanics leaving rags and spanners in the fuel tanks?

>>12734839
You'll lose it all.
There have been no MAX crashes due to software issues.
Just idiot pilots incapable of following the checklist.

>>12734851
I didn't say they weren't retarded the other 99% of the time. If anything, the fact that it's a Boeing and it landed like this makes it more impressive, like if someone set a world record in the Special Olympics.

>>12734816
Woah, dude, you're, like, super smart. You should be an astronaut, bro.

>>12734850
Why is covering everything in factories bad?

>>12734858
>grasp and hold
possibly pray lol

>>12734868
You'll make space vegans cry.

>>12734447
What does the wing honey taste like?

>all of this because I posted the word ''Terraforming''
I rest my case

>>12734873
the sushi eaten in back-handed meetings between boeing and the faa.

>>12734868
because you'd be turning the planet into a soulless wasteland that wouldn't be at all nice to live, something which would make more sense to do with mercury or the moon

>>12734487
>tfw starliner power supply surge fires all RCS during docking, de-orbiting ISS

>>12734889
>you'd be turning the planet into a soulless wasteland

>>12734889
But what if I live on the O’Neill cylinder with a fine-tuned Jurassic era jungle climate?

>>12734883
>people in the space thread have opinions about space stuff
WOAHOAOHAOOO

>>12734899
planets>onions cans

>>12734858
> Be Boeing
> Be world's biggest plane maker
> Be shitting yourself at getting spanked by Airbus in the smaller jets market
> Have great idea
> Let's not design a new plane
> Let's cheap out and save a few bazillion by retrofitting an obsolete design in a way that makes it fundamentally unsafe and requires complex new procedures at moments of extreme psychological pressure
> Be surprised when frankenplane starts falling out of the sky and your brand becomes a joke
> Be surprised when your brilliant scheme utterly backfires instead of making now losing you bazillions
Come off it anon

>>12734578
wasn't there a military plane crash in Alabama a few days ago that killed a few people? come to think of it that happens quite often.....

>>12734883
Most of it was in direct reply to the O'Neill cylinder post, proving that it's more contentious than terraforming. Gotchu fag.

>>12734904
>>12734915
>I was wondering mow much discussion the word terraforming would generate
>Leads to anons shitting on it, o'meme cilinders and prooonting
Yeah

>>12734922
because it's fucking dumb. the resources spent would be better used making structures actually habitable.

>>12734915
Put a CSP plasma sail attached toO’Neill cylinder into Mars L1 for magnetosphere and park it there, then mine some watery asteroids and air burst them over Utopia Planitia
There, I solved everyone’s problems

>>12734930
not only is terraforming dumb, it's completely impossible. every single terraforming scheme ever presented relies on magic far future technology that we don't know will ever exist

>>12734932
the entire asteroid belt crashed into mars wouldn't give it an atmosphere. it's an airless desert world that humans can use as a stop-gap before fucking off somewhere worthwhile.

>>12734909
But that's not what happened at all. The design is perfectly fine and sound.
To keep costs low Boeing sold the plane as not requiring new training, as just a new version of the old type. Then to force it to behave like the old type they added a software bandage.
Had they simply not claimed that it was entirely similar to the previous there would be no problem.
>t. Actual pilot

>requires complex new procedures at moments of extreme psychological pressure
Brainlet.
Stab runaway is one of the most important things to know as a pilot. All pilots know the procedure by heart for the plane they fly. In the case of the 737 it's been the same for the last 40 years.
Nothing complex, nothing new. Pretty straight forward.

>>12734937
how much have they paid you to post this?

>>12734932
Oh, god, you probably think climate change is an existential threat, too.

>>12734932
>waste a bunch of time sending asteroids into mars
>add .0000005% to existing co2 and water stores
>use magitech to prevent atmosphere stripping which takes place over literal billions of years
we did it reddit

>>12734906
What about fuck-off-huge structures with more habitable surface than a planet?

>>12734934
>not only is terraforming dumb, it's completely impossible. every single terraforming scheme ever presented relies on magic far future technology that we don't know will ever exist
>the entire asteroid belt crashed into mars wouldn't give it an atmosphere. it's an airless desert world that humans can use as a stop-gap before fucking off somewhere worthwhile.
since you're being dishonest from the start there isn't really even a reason for me to continue arguing with you on this shitty thread

>>12734937
Never thought we would be raided by oldspace

>>12734941
>post something retarded
>get called out on it
>lmao shill!!
This is /sci/, try to elevate the conversation; we're not on /pol/.

>>12734947
those would be far harder to build then terraforming would be

So, will humanity be stuck on this rock bar some colonies on a barren rock and possibly annihilate itself before doing anything major?

>>12734949
See >>12734944

>>12734949
try arguing the point. imagine the logistics and cost of slamming the entire asteroid belt into mars, then waiting thousands of years, and for what? nothing.
fuck off with this shit.

>>12734949
asteroid redirection is science fiction

>>12734935
Volcanic out gassing retard, that’s why Mars isn’t vacuum like the Moon
Once there’s a magnetic field deflecting the solar wind, more material will become gaseous and raise the pressure and heat up the planet more, then using biological methods and mass electrochemical reactions to tweak it to become earth-like enough for complex animal and plant life

>>12734937
>lie to get your plane in service
>hundreds of people die simply because you lied to make your plane artificially seem competitive
>blame thirdies
Fuck BOING

>>12734909
>> Be world's biggest plane maker
You might wanna check that

>>12734947
What about just large-yet-attainable rotating habitats that can still house thousands and aren't a fucking meme? Why does everything have to be retard scale with you people?

>>12734951
>try to elevate the conversation
various western aviation regulators pulled boeing into the dock over this. the plane was grounded for well over a year. it wasn't "lmao a small change you should have known as a pilot XD".

>>12734950
Never thought professed space flight fans would know fuck all about aerospace.
>>12734963
No, hundreds died because they didn't know how to handle a plane.
But yes, Boeing lied and shouldn't've.

>>12734959
you're completely lying with the numbers faggot, thats the fucking problem.

What happened to SN15's nosecone? Is this the Lunar Starship?

>>12734961
>Once there’s a magnetic field deflecting the solar wind
and where will this come from?

>>12734960
>plasma magnet sails stand in your path

>>12734970
And what changed?
They're in service again, what were the recommendations of the investigators? Do you know? Tell me.

What changed is that pilots are now being trained on the new type. That's it.

>>12734954
Yes except for the chicken little shit. There is nothing in mankind's arsenal that can actually kill everything. Nukes and viruses are over hyped.

>>12734975
Don't bother. Some people are simply too retarded

inb4
>just run millions of tons of copper wires around the plant

>>12734977
Those don't exist btw

>>12734973
What are your numbers, asshole?

>>12734972
>Never thought professed space flight fans would know fuck all about aerospace.
I was just ‘avin a go, mate
>>12734973
You are a reddit tourist, and it is completely obvious that this is the first time in your life you are facing the reality of terraforming being a meme. Despite Isaac Arthur and Elon Musk talking about it, that doesn’t mean that it is possible.

>>12734979
>what were the recommendations of the investigators? Do you know?
adding redundant aoa sensors and a total overhaul of the software governing them. i wouldn't fly on one.

>>12734961
>>12734975
A previous thread did some napkin math and, tl;dr, you need 40 tons of plutonium every single year to give Mars a glimmer of a chance.

>>12734972
the very systems they lied about crashed those planes, they aren't a bad little boy caught with their hand in the cookie jar, they knowingly accepted that to get the max in service with people that would have bought a superior plane otherwise

>>12734973
>Mars Terraforming Not Possible Using Present-Day Technology
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/goddard/2018/mars-terraforming

>>12734985
Not as your high as yours, faggot.
>Those don't exist btw
Ok great, they didn't exist. Neither does crew starship. Neither does orbital refueling. You know what, since none of this stuff exists we might as well give up on developing it. Fuck, why even develop any new technology at all? Lets just quit developing any new technology and just head back into the caves.

>>12734960
>Rockets are science fiction

>>12734989
to be fair, it is technically possibly. but something being physically possible doesn't make it feasible

>>12734997
>Fuck, why even develop any new technology at all? Lets just quit developing any new technology and just head back into the caves.
Based. Unabomber was right

>>12734997
You don't have numbers, got it. Terrafaggots never do.

>PERSEVERANCE SENDS FIRST HIGH-RESOLUTION PICTURES OF EARTH FROM MARS

>>12734997
>we can engineer a new type of rocket therefore we can terraform a planet
fucking idiot

>>12734975
See above >>12734932

>>12734982
https://earthweb.ess.washington.edu/space/M2P2/STAIF2000.PDF
They’re being tested right now, they may be first phase but the results are good for full scale testing

>>12734997
>redditor doesn’t know how to quote properly, and also realizes for the first time that not everyone else on the internet buys into the kurzgesagt popsci terraforming meme
It’s like your world view is crumbling before our eyes lmao. You are embarrassing yourself.

>>12734989
>NOOOOO IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME YOU'RE FROM REDDIT WAHHH
>>12734995
Neither does the technology to create a self sustaining colony on mars exist yet either.

>>12734974
Why would the lunar starship have a heat shield? That one ain't coming back.

>>12734990
>adding redundant aoa sensors
No, the sensors were already there... the software only used one however.
>a total overhaul of the software governing them.
Not really. A software update.
It's mostly the same.
>>12734994
>they knowingly accepted that to get the max in service with people that would have bought a superior plane otherwise
For one, superior doesn't really work here. The 737 has better fuel efficiency than it's main competitor (A320) however it's negligent (~4%). Kinda irrelevant.
There is no real superior plane in this area, it's a matter of the operation you already run.
On top of that, no, people were gonna buy the 737 regardless. Both the B737 and A320 are popular planes with high order counts. You'd have to buy a 737 or simply be unable to buy a plane. Both are on backorder.

>>12735007
>physical possibility = economic possibility
m8 i could terraform your mum but there is no reason why i'd want to.

>>12734999
Checked and yeah I agree. Lots of things are possible, but completely infeasible

>>12735010
Epic category error, you fucking ass.

>>12735012
>No, the sensors were already there... the software only used one however.
so they added redundant sensors.

>>12735008
Go back tin can nigger, nobody believes in your meme cylinders.
>>12735004
You don't have the numbers for how we'll have enough money to colonize mars in the first place either.
>>12735005
There is nothing physically impossible with terraforming.

>>12735018
No, the sensors were there.
The software was updated to take advantage of both.
When you say adding sensors it implies physically adding new sensors. Use precise language.

>>12735020
There’s nothing impossible about making an O’Neill cylinder either. Why is this even an argument?

>>12735020
>numbers for how we'll have enough money to colonize mars
See >>12735017

>>12735020
This is your brain on youtube

>>12735007
That's great and all, but get back to me when you build the kilometers wide sails that would be necessary to move medium-sized asteroids with precision. And then get back to me when you can build the thousands or tens of thousands of spacecraft necessary to do it. Then get back to me when we can build an artificial magnetic field around another planet. And then get back to me when we can build self replicating factories to adjust the atmospheric content on Mars. I expect to hear from you no sooner than 1000 years from now

>>12735012
>the max is actually better, technically
Tell that to the paper pushers that decided it was worth killing people to cover up the fact that the plane required additional training which would have made it a less attractive option

>this entire thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcCp2oFiaws

>>12735020
>There is nothing physically impossible with terraforming.
explain to the class how it is meant to happen.
>>12735021
the entire aircraft could have been made up of 20 thousand aoa sensors, if the software only used one then it only had one, that they connected the others after such a critical component crashed the plane is neither here nor there. it had one aoa sensor. boeing got lazy. stop apologising.

>>12735023
Why are we even discussing colonization shit that will probably never happen in the first place? Fuck, we're just gonna die on this rock aren't we.

>>12735029
I don't need to tell them, they're well aware of it already.

>>12735023
O'Neill cylinders are 10000x more doable than terraforming, but they still aren't feasible with modern engineering. That guy doesn't seem to realize that physically possible =/= actually possible

>>12735025
>>12735026
nice job samefagging

>>12735035
No, just the MCAS system used one.
The other systems correctly used both.
This is 100% and example of shitting outsourcing, I'm not disagreeing with you there.

>>12735020
Terraforming isn't even easily physically defined. We don't actually have a table of ingredients that will reliably turn any complex system into a human habitable planet, in fact Earth itself would have killed you for most of its history.

>>12735039
Nothing will be possible ever, we're never gonna develop technology beyond what we have now. There is no point arguing about it. /sfg/ is pointless.

>>12735048
Point taken. I apologize for jumping on this while you were already arguing with a die hard about it. Sorry

>>12735043
>he tried it
OH NO NO NO

>>12735047
Why waste your time arguing about terraforming or o'neil cylinders or large-scale human habitation of space if its never going to happen?

>>12735043
Here we go; a tale as old as time

>>12735034
Elon Musk is going to colonize Mars fucktard

>>12735043
not even that guy but it's possible to post more than once in a thread.
>>12735046
the airframe is unsafe using the engines it's using. invest in a new airframe to accommodate the engines needed to meet current regs. car manufacturers have to do this all the time. in fact all manufacturers do. deal with it and spend the fucking money you corrupt cunts.

NEPTUNE MODE
NEPTUNE MODE
NEPTUNE MODE

>>12735039
Nothing is unfeasible about O’Neill cylinders. Just spin a metal tube full of air and shit

>>12735011
Is it the same Starship? Mary doesn't have it listed under any specific Starship in her video.

>>12735060
The airframe is NOT unsafe. It's been well tested.
It just has different pitch characteristics, which is where the MCAS software bandage comes in. Force it to pitch like the older models and then you don't need training.

>>12735053
Colonies, both planetside and orbital, are nothing compared to terraforming in scale and complexity, they're small managed systems. They also rely on upkeep and power and operate at sizes where that's actually feasible, instead of being complex systems with time lag and massive unknowns between input and output. If you think that colonization or o'niell cylinders are in any way comparable to terraforming in execution you probably terraformed your brain with excess co2.

>>12735064
It's not built. Nothing is set in stone for any specific starship yet. That shit there is just an iteration most likely.

>>12735065
redesign your plane. make a new one.
short haul will all be electric/hydrogen within 20 years so just do it now and stop bullshitting me about software overrides on your unsafe airframe.

What would a ride aboard the Ares I feel like?

>>12735075
holes in parachutes

>>12735075
like bags of sand

>>12735075
Death

>>12735071
>short haul will all be electric/hydrogen within 20 years
LMFAO, no it fucking won't.

>>12735012
What's saddest of all to me is the loss of confidence/ideological degeneration it represents for the US. This is a company that once took stunningly audacious projects and pulled them off, now reduced to a mean cynical sticking plaster approach and yet still managing to miserably fuck even that relatively small task up. Sad indeed

>>12735075
Like arguing about terraforming.

>>12735066
what he said.
>building a martian colony
>building a large space station within the realms of current material design
>...
>chucking half the solar system into a planet or mining, refining and detonating all usable uranium to hopefully replicate the earth

When are we gonna engineer Jovian lifeforms for shits and giggles

>>12735052
>>12735056
i don't get your point, it would of been extremely easy to just erase the other (you) with some simple editing that would take you but a minute or less

>>12735085
i get what you mean. to me an airliner is a boeing 747. iconic. and they've got from that 70s masterpiece to this and no one seems to care.

>>12735092
never, its beyond our current technological capacity
>>12735089
you claimed that plasma magnetic sails are unfeasible, which as far as i'm concerned, are much more so then o'neil cylinders

>>12735094
or two people disagree with you.

>>12735094
>Anon doesn’t know what Occam’s razor is

>>12735085
Meanwhile, there are ascendant tech companies doing things that these old bureaucratic bloats could never dream of. I don't think it signifies anything except an old company unable to adapt to a new market environment. It's happened thousands of times

>>12735100
imagine

>>12735094
https://reddit.com/r/space/
maybe this is more your style

>>12735092
by the time we can do this humanity will have fragmented into millions of clades and empires throughout the solar system. It'll probably be the jovian bug people hat do it

>>12735100
whatever, you think i'm a redditor because i disagree with you, so why should i not believe you aren't one person?

>>12735099
oneil cylinders are designed as such as it's about as big as you could make a concrete tube and spin it without it pulling itself apart. constructing one would be a feat not seen in human history but is still far more, infantility more, feasible that terraforming a planet.

Why do they use jets of water for sound suppression instead of just dipping the ends of the engine bells into a tank of water?

>>12735111
I generally assume any individual I interact with to be one person.

>>12735111
i've not mentioned reddit once.
so now i'm the third person to disagree with you.

>>12735111
I think you genuinely have asperger’s lmao. Anon you are allowed to support terraforming. But you are being very autistic about the whole argument for it

>>12735099
It will shock you to find that plasma sails are not the solution to all life's problems anon.

>>12734460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCE6wSVB30w

>>12735116
sea dragon

>>12735108
how about you go to the link which you took the time of posting on /sfg/ and stay there?

>>12735012
>negligent
negligible

>>12735105
I hope you are right anon. Some of those tech companies are an absolute blight on humanity though. Who tf stands in the way of tyranny now? Forced vaccinations soon in the West. They are just itching to pull the trigger. Meanwhile Russia etc are doing nothing of the sort.

>>12735128
kys conspiratard

>>12735116
Because you very quickly would not have engines anymore after the massive overpressure event

>>12735075

>>12735136
kek

>>12735128
>>>/x/

>autists screeching about meme cylinders and terraforming and genuinely getting mad at each other on a cambodian rice cooking tutorial blog
>meanwhile a few anons are having a somewhat civilized debate about boeing

Incredible video of a true satellite
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VHBxxnuXTJ4

>>12735128
They'll never "force" it, but they will make sure no company will employ you if you don't submit, effectively ensuring all dissidents will starve.

>>12735134
It's not a conspiracy. I'm in the UK. Govt are openly talking about vaccination passports and funding research

>>12735145
>>12735144
good. rapid natural selection for IQ

>>12735141
i'm doing both
>terraforming is a meme
>spinning tubes aren't, but are very far away in our timeline
>boeing is corrupt and their airframe should be permanently grounded, no amount of shit indian software upgrades will convince me otherwise

>>12735144
Being deprived of various essential liberties and necessities of life kind of equals being forced

every day i am reminded that such people exist. also listen to this faggot's voice lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BPiSRCLOI4

TODAY'S ANTARES ROCKET LAUNCH WAS PERFECT ACCORDING TO THE PRIESTS OF MERCURY.

THE NEXT SCHEDULED LAUNCH OCCURS 7 DAYS FROM NOW IN THE FAR OFF LAND OF INDIA

ALL EYES ARE AGAIN ON STARSHIP SNX FOR THE NEXT WEEK

THIS LAUNCH UPDATE WAS PROVIDED BY THE BELTER GUILD OF MINERS
TRUE ROMAN MINERALS! FOR TRUE ROMANS!

Garbage thread

>>12735152
Based
>>12735075
Pic related

>>12735145
>Govt are openly talking about vaccination passports
so like yellow fever

>>12735151
>I’m smart if I let creepy corporations inject weird shit into my body

>>12735151

>>12735152
Both terraforming and spinning tubes are a meme, but I do agree boeing is corrupt.

>>12735151
Are you saying only thick people will take the experimental gene therapy inaccurately described as a vaccine?

>>12735160
Except you don't need that to have liberty in your own country. And that vaccine presumably also protects other people. Unlike this gene therapy treatment

>>12735155
Of course it does, but conservatives are there as a rearguard to call anyone stating this obvious fact a 'socialist' and to bootstrap themselves into...what, exactly, they will never define.

Hmm even Jeff Faust has said it is odd that NASA has yet to release any of Perseverance's photos yet. He claims the rover is fine, but it is fishy that they are hording everything for a Monday press conference

>>12734362
>> the next several thousand years
Paul Birch, the orbital ring meme man, calculates you can eject Hyperion in about 30 years and have a transit time to Venus in about 20 years.
https://www.orionsarm.com/fm_store/TerraformingVenusQuickly.pdf
That's using a batshit crazy solar powered steam rocket. He also proposes using a giant fucking light sail windmill near the sun to throw rocks at enceladus fucking fast enough that they vaporize the surface and act like a steam rocket allowing you to apply the delta V to eject enceladus in a year. I personally think you could build some mass drivers on a moon in the saturnian system and shoot stuff in just the right way so that it ends up hitting a moon of saturn fuck fast to make this shit-throwing powered steam rocket simpler. I have yet to do the calculations on this because I'm not drunk enough yet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aj4O621VjTI
Guys I always thought satellites would be different.

>>12735168
what country are you in that is allowing activity to the vaccinated that it isn't to the non vaccinated?

>>12735157
Based Romeposter here to salvage the thread.

>>12735169
The supposed socialists are pushing harder than anyone else with the CV hysteria

>>12735166
I'm saying only low IQ people will avoid taking it (because they are too dumb to understand basic biology) and will subsequently die off from mutant super-covid as well as general destitution resulting from exclusion from civilization. Nobody can argue that this is a bad thing

>>12735170
I take every opportunity to shit on NASA but Jeff Faust is just a cranky guy, who cares if they hold onto images a couple days

>>12735170
Whoops wrong image
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1363257306473979908?s=21

>>12735175
UK govt are standing by while companies put it in job contracts

>>12734428

>>12735177
yes i hear joe biden, known communist, is planning on conspiring with the ccp to make us all gay.

>>12735181
It's weird because they haven't done this in the past. Not even with Curiosity

>>12735183
>>12735170
Because the rover failed. They're going to reveal this on monday.

>>12735179
>Trust the experterinos

>>12735163
>I know the REAL truth because I get it from reliable sources like infowars and /pol/ddit!!

>>12735179
Well enjoy your bizarro health tyranny dystopia, I'll happily not participate.