/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12731407
You are literally retarded. Fisheye lenses provide more data per frame than normal lenses. Rovers are scientific instruments, they are there to collect as much data in as little time as possible, not to get you new desktop backgrounds.

And stop doodling on the photo, faggot.

>>12731407

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>>12731422
>Fisheye lenses provide more data per frame than normal lenses
Wow thanks for the insight, I didn't know that fish-eye lenses had some magic property that allowed transistors to work better. What an insightful and smart comment you made, not at all full of ad hominin simply for asking a question

Honestly, the fact that people are so downright vitriolic and dogmatic in their self-assured belief is the peak of scientific arrogance. It's literally saying "I know it's true, evidence or scientific method be damned!"
What sort of person willingly believes everything that's told to them, to the point where even suggesting they aren't correct about 100% of stuff is seen as a personal attack on their character and their very reality?
What sort of thing is going through their mind?

>>12731428
I already posted it on /x/ but it got shadowbanned pretty quickly
>>>/x/27705230

>>12731407
People care more about exploring mars than deceiving you.

>>12731432
Fisheye lenses increase FOV. These aren't even its main cameras they are hazcams to help it see where it's going. Stop screaming victim when you're called out on being retarded.

>>12731432
I think the problem is your comparing the scientific method to belief systems.

>>12731443
Then why don't they post evidence of Mars being the way they say?
Literally every single picture of space that NASA has released has been very obviously and incompetantly altered in some way, either by using a fisheye lense as seen in the pic, having it black and white for some nonsense pseudoscientific reason, having a tiny disclaimer saying "This is just artistic license" like we see with all the Hubble pictures, or just by "losing the original photo"

I GUARANTEE that when NASA gets questioned on why all their pictures are short with bizarre cameras or are 'recreations' of original pictures, it will inevitably be something like "Uhhh the astral cosmic energy micro-fields are messing with the subatomic uranium nuclear arc-waves of normal cameras". Guarantee it - it happens every time

>>12731432
You know less than nothing about technology. When a fact enters your skull, it inverts and becomes a lie. Shut the fuck up, moron.

>>12731449
So why hasn't NASA released the "real" pictures of what Mars allegedly looks like?
If I have a choice between a polaroid camera and a movie camera to take a picture of another monumental step in Mankind's destiny, I'm not gonna choose the shittiest one. Why does NASA think that this is a good enough excuse?
Do they seriously think that we wouldn't see through their little ruse? It's honestly laughable how little respect NASA has for the average person, to put out such unscientific twaddle and expect people to lap it up uncritically

>>12731450
The only "belief system" is the kind that keeps people shackled to the godlike NASA which apparently is always correct and never requires scrutiny or questioning - evidently differing to the established scientific orthodoxy is just heresy which must be ruthlessly persecuted

>>12731456
Ad hominim ad hominim
Nice science you got there. You really disproved my hypothesis lol

>>12731453
>the astral cosmic energy micro-fields are messing with the subatomic uranium nuclear arc-waves
>>12731462
>my hypothesis
ho-ly shit, guy.

>>12731453
The rover has 23 cameras you schizo.

It has JUST LANDED. As it activates, the rest of its equipment will be coming online. It only has the most rudimentary cameras working right now, which serve only basic functions of navigation and letting ground control know everything is OK.

In the coming days you and all the fucking braindead normies will get your HD photos so that you can promptly declare them fake and gay.

>>12731468
The time it takes for earth signals to reach Mars is about 2 minutes, apparently, although desu this is totally arbitrary

The point is that surely it doesn't take FUCKING DAYS for somebody to press a button and turn on a camera? How powerful are these fucking things, that it requires days worth of deliberations and careful management in order to simply 'turn on' the camera?
This is a rather dire indictment of NASA. Either
1) They're using technology that was outdated century ago or
2) They're lying
Either way it's absolutely pathetic that this is the best they could come up with. I mean...
>"Hurr durr it takes days to fabricate a new image now that we've been found out... I mean turn on a camera!!!"
Fucking ridiculous. How can anyone fall for this shit?

>>12731453
Also,

>Literally every single picture of space that NASA has released has been very obviously and incompetantly altered in some way, either by using a fisheye lense as seen in the pic, having it black and white for some nonsense pseudoscientific reason, having a tiny disclaimer saying "This is just artistic license" like we see with all the Hubble pictures, or just by "losing the original photo"
This is fucking bullshit, there's a shitload of original photos available starting with this famous pic from the Apollo mission.

This is the Earth in a plain, 1969 color photo.
No fish eye lens. No black and white. No CGI. No composite imaging.

>>12731468
This.

Right now it's the equivalent of using a car reverse cam since that is the vehicles hazard camera and complaining about quality when you have a 4K camera in a bag you haven't taken out yet.

>>12731479
I have more if you are interested.
No fish eye lens.

>>12731478
There is a lot of diagnostic activity happening. Instead of remaining ignorant just look up the operation procedures or rewatch the official broadcast after landing where they discuss this.

>>12731459
The shutters on the main cameras were closed for some time in order for dust to settle. When all systems come online they can take proper photos. If they've taken any high res photos they are currently being download at piss poor speeds of ~15bps.

Stop thinking they're out to get you.

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>>12731407
Well, schizo?

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>>12731479
There's numerous reasons why fucking NASA might have had a conflict of interest, ESPECIALLY IN THE FUCKING 1960s when they were lobbying for more and more money from the taxpayer, obstensibly to defeat the Soviet Union in some useless scientific dick-waving contest, the results of which have never been conclusively proven even by NASA themselves

And I mean... come on...
If you can't see that that picture is fake, I mean... wtf
1) No stars because back in the 60s it was too much effort to hand paint every star in, since they realised they couldn't adequetely capture star signs and adjust them for a """""3D"""" globe-visualisation
2) Africa looks absolutely absurdly big, way bigger than any map would say
3) Clouds look bizarrely massive. I mean, that cloud is literally bigger than America. Come the fuck on
4) There's no light on the dark side of the earth, so apparently in the NASA timeline street lamps weren't invented in the late 1960s
5) Apparently the Sahara desert is red for some reason in places... I guess 1960s colour photoshop wasn't as good kek
6) How the fuck did NASA have 2020-degree HD cameras in the fucking 1960s, when stuff was still mostly black and white? Let me guess, am I supposed to accept time travel now?

These are some of the few criticisms of that pic alone. You're gonna have to do better than that, globe shill

>>12731478
Please be bait, like honestly

>>12731526
If it's bait, it's working

>>12731422
>they are there to collect as much data in as little time as possible, not to get you new desktop backgrounds.

there are there to do both.

Alright, jannies can clean this shit up, just remove the thread

>>12731491
>15bps
Well, case closed I guess I was wrong about everything. Yep, sorry for all the fuss, looks like globelings were right about everything
Yes, indeed, I promise that I will never look at anything critically ever again. I'm sorry for my anti-NASA heresy and will now flagellate myself before the altar of Bill Gates and Kurt Debus

For real though, is there ever going to be a reason as to why NASA can't figure out how to transmit data at greater than a few bytes per second? No, I'm sure there won't be.
But I guess I'm just a silly conspiracy theorist, thinking that MkUltra and Bay of Pigs were government cover-ups. I mean... how wacky would it be for the government to mislead its citizens? That would NEVER happen lol

>>12731543
So simply questioning science on the /science/ board is grounds for deleting a thread?

Kek, you people are more dogmatic and ideological than fucking /pol/ of all places. Why can't you at least look at something scientific with a critical eye

Part of the scientific method is having a hypothesis, testing it and proving if it works - you're idea is listening to somebody else say something, and then blindly agreeing with it to a staggering degree because it's a "trusted source". I mean, really

>>12731553
being a borderline crustacean levels of retarded is cause for deleting your thread.

proof

>>12731548
NASA is laying 400 million km long fiber optic cable in space as we speak just for you.

>>12731553
>For real though, is there ever going to be a reason as to why NASA can't figure out how to transmit data at greater than a few bytes per second? No, I'm sure there won't be.
Retarded nigger, we explained all of this in the previous /sfg/ threads like only 500 thousand times

>>12731537
I mean look at that shit. It's obvious they just found some random quarry, colour corrected it red and added a patch of dirt with some fake ass stock image tire tracks over the top.
Fucking horrendous photoshop - if that wasn't done by an intern that person should be fired. I could do fucking better. The "ridge" is just the same colour, and the tire tracks don't merge with the surrounding terrain at all. Utter, utter fail. At this point you have to be willingly blind

>>12731559
>Waaaa you're a retard because you looked at science critically instead of believing what I told to believe

>>12731548
You’ve cracked the code anon, you must truly be the smartest person on the face of the earth

>>12731565
>implying the satellites aren't a thing
Dude, it's pretty clear you don't even know how fibre-optic cables even work. You see, they transmit light through them, and light (and I'm not sure if you knew this, sweetie) travels at... ding ding ding the speed of light!!!
It takes a few minutes for light from Mars to hit earth (allegedly), so why not have a big satellite dish which can receive signals from a rover from Mars?? I mean, NASA already gets an OBSCENELY large amount of money already, so it's not like they don't have the budget, although judging from the salaries of NASA """scientists""" and their online troll-farms it's pretty clear that not all that money is being spent on so-called science. In truth, the point of NASA has never been science, it has always been public deception

Maybe it started to deceive the Soviets in the so-called space race (that's an entirely rational debate to have, unlike this one), but nowadays NASA only exists to prop up a scientific "consensus" that benefits nobody but corrupt deep state organisations and multinational corporations, and those that rule over both of them, but that's another story

>>12731570
You've looked at science ass backwards and now you think everyone else is wrong.
I'm genuinely suprised you can actually read

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>>12731582
Honestly... what a load of rubbish. You don't have to be a scientist to know that this is sus af

>Hurr durr we can't figure out how to put a car battery into a rover
I mean, I'm willing to bet a group of reasonably talented Youtubers could figure out how to do better than that, and a truly qualified group of people could put a nuclear reactor in there or something.
This whole thing is like saying "Well my homework is missing because my pen only had enough ink for five words"
Well get a fucking better pen then!!! That's no excuse!!! Jesus Christ, you people are so deluded it's utterly depressing
Why can't you just look at stuff with a critical lense, instead of being so damn dogmatic. If I'm wrong - PROVE IT!!!

>>12731570
>sand looks like sand
insightful

>>12731585
Keep posting this is kinda entertaining

>this thread

>>12731524
Do you really not have anything better to do with your life?

You must not be very familiar with science forums if you've never seen cranks before

Just found this a second ago. Literally the barest minimum of research proves all of you completely, undeniably wrong

Go ahead, just try to justify how you can possibly believe that Mars exists as we currently know it. You don't have the guts, the insight or the intellect, my little lemmings

>>12731585
>transmitting data through a fiber optic cable is the same as transmitting it through open space
>doesn't know what the inverse square law is
>Hurr durr we can't figure out how to put a car battery into a rover
because a car battery wouldn't last long enough dumbass
>I mean, I'm willing to bet a group of reasonably talented Youtubers could figure out how to do better than that, and a truly qualified group of people could put a nuclear reactor in there or something.
maybe if you paid enough attention to /sfg/ you'd know small nuclear reactors are in development but that they are still quite heavy and aren't ready yet, and that they are also much more complicated then RTGs and thus can break down much easier

>>12731611
What would these "higher powers" gain from faking the existence of Mars?

>>12731611
What'd you find?

>>12731611
honestly I come to /sci/ these days for no reason other than to laugh at narcissists like this

>>12731611
What is this supposed to be proof of?

>>12731594
OP, they're laughing at us!

>>12731616
LOL - trying to discredit my argument by strawmanning me, aka making up my position in order to tear it down

I have never said that Mars doesn't exit - you can literally see it with telescopes, unlike the majority of NASA's """finds"""
What I am saying is that Mars is not like we have been led to believe. Judging from the fact that in accordance with the increasingly accepted theory (NOT a hypothesis) that the sun orbits in a rotating circle and is much closer to the earth than we have been led to believe, it stands to reason that Mars is also much closer

By recent calculations it is estimated that Mars need not be greater than several kilometres in diameter, and would orbit above the world in accordance with the Equivalence principle. Basically, you have the earth at the very bottom obviously, with the moon slightly below the sun and the planets after that. In fact, there is increasing scientific consensus that the planets of our solar system are nothing more than minute asteroids that have been trapped in the rotating centrifugal well of our sun and moon. They could be there by accident or by another reason

The fact of the matter is that by controlling our geography, the dark forces can determine pretty much everything about us, from where we live to where we think other people are. If you want to undermine a people thoroughly, you have to undermine their very sense of who they are. You take from them their land, but also more than that.
The great round-earth delusion is a psychic meme that can be used to impress other data-hazards into our mind, basically a gateway drug with which the dark forces can influence us, slowly over time. When you understand this you understand pretty much everything wrong with society and how to fix it

>>12731647
>The great round-earth delusion is a psychic meme that can be used to impress other data-hazards into our mind
At last, I truly see!

>>12731647
>ignores my rebuttal
>goes on about psychic memes and dark powers
ok retard, discussion's over, go back to your african mudhuts

>>12731647
What are those "dark forces" you talk about?

>>12731647
>By recent calculations
>we have been led to believe
>the dark forces
>psychic meme
>the dark forces can influence us
the point of trolling is to be believable

>>12731671
So we looked at the data

>>12731432
Retard.

>>12731611
Seriously, what do you think this proves or disproves?

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>>12731671
It's not "being retarded" or "trolling" - as much as it might shock and depress you, I genuinly believe what I am saying, for better or worse

When I used the word psychic, what I am really talking about is the transfer of information in a way that influences the human mind. All words of any meaning are to some degree psychic because they change the way your brain functions. When an idea, religion or ideology gets implanted into your head, it leaves a psychic function that compels you to act in a sort of way. It has nothing to do with superstition and everything to do with metaphysical psychiatry and linguinistic science
The dark forces I mentioned are those with a vested interest in altering the psychic nature of our species in order to create a world which has negative consequences for the vast majority of people, in favour of benefiting a few (or even nobody at all). Such individuals are known by many names, and take care to closely associate themselves with other groups who they can pitch blame on .e.g Capitalists (communism), Jews (fascism), the Cabal (Qanon).
It's unknown what the dark forces really are and if they truly are Satanic, but if it walks like a duck and acts like a duck, I guess some people would say it's a duck

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>>12731407
You should legit be murdered, along with your family.

>>12731478
I want to chop your head off. Post address right now.
In Minecraft ofc.

>>12731647
>there is increasing scientific consensus that the planets of our solar system are nothing more than minute asteroids

>>12731695
>as much as it might shock and depress you
Shock? no. depress? absolutely.

>>12731696
Now that we've got a psycho an a schizo in the same room, the games can begin.

>>12731695
So we looked at the data and what we found shocked us

>>12731611
First post your address, so I can come over and cut your head off. (in Minecraft).

>>12731707
Post your address so I can come chop your head off and fuck your neck. (in Minecraft).

Legit anyone trying to deny the mars rover should be slaughtered, gassed to death in a concentration camp. You literally don't deserve to live. post your address so I can come kill you (IN MINECRAFT, TOTAL JOKE FBI).

>>12731716
this 2bh it's genuinely saddening there are genuine deniers out there

>>12731716
Kill all Flat earthers. Percy wills it!

Do glasses make your brain process more information?


Do binoculars allow your brain to process more information?

>>12731432

please stop thinking you're punching up man, a lot of us genuinely want to help you understand some things in the hopes that you might find the same appreciation and beauty in it that we do.

>>12732516
>Do glasses make your brain process more information?
>Do binoculars allow your brain to process more information?
Neither of these things are wide angle lenses. They provide no extra information.

>>12731432
finally some good fucking bait

>>12731407
>The only conclusion from all of this is that NASA for whatever reason, has an interest in maintaining the idea that Mars is round and smaller than Earth, and that they are willing to create deliberately deceptive information in order to maintain this

is this bait?

>>12731548
I hate you. I hate every other skitzo burgermutt like you too.
Please die

>>12731407

jesus you cant be real must be 500% troll


you know how in the 1930s they JUST COULD NOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE A TV HAVE COLOR?

same thing going on today. They Cannot for the life of them program or hardware the camera on this robot to have color.

>>12731524
>How the fuck did NASA have 2020-degree HD cameras in the fucking 1960s

watch some old 60's movies, the resolution is a lot better than you'd think

Mars looks pretty cool

>the flat earth meme has gone so far it has reached /sci/
>these are the people replying to your threads
>>12731432
Take a step back and look at how you're posting. You make a thread implicitly accusing NASA of lying, then get defensive when someone very naturally responds in an angry manner. If you want to actually learn if your conspiracy theory is correct at least try to ask questions politely and not accuse people of being brainwashed sheep.

>>12731432
they have a larger field of view you fucking moron

>>12731478
its either
1) you don't know everything about the technicalities of a space rover
2) the fake-film crew decided to go to vegas for the most critical days of their desert photo-op

>>12733165
I'm just here to tell you you're retarded. It doesn't feel like it's been posted enough.

Mr. Moderator, tear down this thread.

>>12731441
just go watch some lectures, you clearly are willing to learn but dont know enough to ask questions yet