/sci/ - Science & Math

so when are we expecting to get video of EDL?

Perseverance images from Mars will be posted here
https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/multimedia/raw-images/

>>12724228
Images - days
Videos (compiled) - weeks/months

wtf?

>>12724207
so what is the difference between this shit and curiosity? I remember back then curiosity was hyped as fuck and nothing happened, so what now? and dont mention helicopter its useless shit

>>12724207
How will the Chinese shills cope?

>>12724242
Curiosity was tasked to confirming that Mars once had a habitable environment for life in the past.
Perseverance is tasked with looking for actual signs of past life on the rocks and collect sampes.

>>12724241
>birds are the dominant universal lifeform
holy FUCK

>>12724242
gonna recover the lost artifacts

if you know you now

>>12724242
Curiosity had experiments to determine where water used to be on Mars. Perseverance landed in a place where there used to be water, and has experiments to look for ancient life. The two vehicles have similar form factors with the wheels and arms and stuff, but conduct different experiments on the soil/rocks they pick up. Plus the little helicopter

>>12724264
>Seagulls greet Mars 2020
>Seagulls stop SpaceX landing

>>12724207
>page 6
Post cats.

Pics or it didn't happen.

>>12724287
Remember 5 & 6 forevermore

>>12724274
>>12724262
>>12724242
Percy also has a lot of hardware and software upgrades, including better wheels and is overall "smarter."

>>12724287
>forgetting about image limit

You couldn't even post cats in the old thread.

>>12724262
>>12724266
>>12724274
thanks. so lets say some traces of ancient life are confirmed. what are the implications for earth and humanity?

>>12724274
best case scenario they find some microbes and shit. what additional data do they even need now?

>>12724287

>>12724264
>>12724276
>bird
That's a rabbit.

>>12724309
The results will be challenged by all major religion institutions, even if they find actual fossils. They can just deny it's real.

>>12724309
sneed

>>12724309
Before any implications, we would have to find out if Martian life forms a separate tree of life from Earth life.

>>12724335
IIRC the Pope made a statement some years back claiming that any alien life found was also made through the will of God

What is next for us bros?...

>>12724207
Does anyone have any info on the MOXIE experiment? I'm excited about it.

>>12724335
>your brain on atheism

>>12724241
holy shit this pic just arrived from the rover!

What a great day. We have taken another step on our quest to the stars.

>>12724376
Starship. Home.

>>12724374
this is most likely. they would cope with shit like "life is universal reeee"

>>12724335
>>12724374
Catholics are pretty cool when it comes to science. The Vatican has itself endorsed evolution and states that its wrong to believe that creationism happened literally because its been proven to not have happened that way.
>t. catholic

>>12724372
>we won't have cool shit like this for another 100 years
*yawn*

>>12724241
NASA only sent a low res BW camera? FUCKING BRIDENSTINE

>TFW the only actual video of Mars was released by China

>>12724389
there's no way this is real

>>12724449
Post YFW Tianwen crashes on re entry

>>12724407
The Big Bang Theory was literally made by a Jesuit priest. Probably the only good thing Jesuits have done in the last century.
>t. Franciscan gang

>>12724335
How the fuck did we go from pretty much every single Christian being near certain that life exists on other planets to this?
>>12724372
Wouldn't only the completed ring be able to be inhabited since the unfinished ring would have to spin much faster to equalize it before it got the rest of its mass?

why do people think that ayy lmaos will have similar levels of consciousness as humans? they could very well be just single celled organisms or some dumb shit like turtles.

>>12724478
because if they are they can consent ;)

>>12724242
It has an ISRU testbed

>>12724478
I'm confused about why people think finding bacteria on Mars would mean that humanity is doomed because of the Great Filter. What if the Great Filter was gaining mitochondria? I hate Isaac Awfuh fans

>>12724422
Please invest

>>12724468
The vatican just made it mandatory for it's staff to take the vaccine, they're clearly believers in science. Hell, the Pope Himself graduated in chemistry

>t. current Pope

https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/multimedia/raw-images/#
Images starting to get uploaded.

>>12724394
For real, it's been a smashing success. Now I have more to look forward to other the starship tests.

>>12724529
God please let me get to Mars before I die.

>>12724468
En el nombre del padre y hijo y espirítu santo. I was praying during the entire descent

>>12724242
Different experiments, has a drone helicopter, a oxygen converter, a microphone, better cameras and a few other gadgets

>>12724501
The great filter itself is retarded. We’ve only been listening to the stars for a hundred years, and despite our progress, we still haven’t found out the source (or explanation) of dark matter, haven’t found that ninth planet lurking out in our atmosphere, and we still get scared when we detect car sized asteroids after their closest approach (closer than the moon.)

I’m not saying that life is common or not. I’m saying that we are still too young to get on the pier of our ship, look at the beach, and say “yep, no islanders. This island is uninhabited”

>>12724468
Hate the Jesuits, tolerate the Franciscans, love the Dominicans and Basilians

Congratulations

humans alone have just landed a robot on another planet and all you want to talk about is your various branch of *insert religion*

>>12724604
>Didn't do the OK sign

>>12724610
~40% of Americans think NASA is a coverup. It's still very relevant

>>12724604
Worst thing about COVID is you don't get the full celebration feeling. Everything is quieter from the masks and distancing.

>>12724621
greatest country in the world. and i say that as a non-american. but fuck me sometimes it's a few of you carrying the rest and it really shows...

USA just dominates Mars at this point.

>>12724610
Oh sorry let me circlejerk about Curiosity 2.0
Go cope and return to reddit you gatekeeping donkey

>>12724645
Someone shoop /sfg/ in one of the screens

>>12724657
>>>/pol/

>>12724633
It's because large parts of america would be considered part of the 'developing' world if they weren't part of the US. Shit education, shit healthcare, shit people in about half the country, but it's getting better

>>12724666
his post had nothing to do with /pol/, satan.

>>12724449
Just wait until the landing video

>>12724666
Satan, it’s people like you who have ruined the general and turned it into a tourfest. I bet you were complaining about the image limit on the last thread because you wanted to spampost some shitty black and white images NASA just took even though they are of no interest whatsoever

>>12724586
>implying dark matter even exists
Ishygddt
>oh yeah so there's this substance that we can't see, measure, or in any way interact with at all but it makes up most of the universe and does everything we need it to do exactly as we need it to do to fix all of the issues our current models have

>>12724677
it had nothing to do with /sfg/ either.

>>12724675
I wouldn't say half, closer to 13%

>>12724694
>even though they are of no interest whatsoever
Why are you here?

>>12724694
>because you wanted to spampost some shitty black and white images NASA just took even though they are of no interest whatsoever
this is the /space flight general/ thread on /sci/. what are you expecting from this thread?

NASA press briefing in 5 min
https://youtu.be/9OCxouQGnns

we usually wait until page 10 to make a new thread, but i guess image limit is ok too.....

>>12724720
sexual

>>12724449
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Esj5juUzhpU
Not so fast

>>12724695
The only thing it needs to do is have mass and not interact with the other three fundamental forces bro

>>12724707
>>12724708
He is false-flagging, obviously. To paint those who have not been born and bred in /v/-esque hype culture as those destroying the threads.

why it is cropped???

>>12724733
No need, tourists itt are too retarded to understand that video is just a compilation of static frames

>>12724744
Chinese craft probably mooned them while transmitting that one.

There's another one!

>>12724754
Like why they even posted this corrupted photo in first place

>>12724766
yet that 273kb photo is more interesting than your entire life will ever be.

>>12724751
There's a big difference between 30 fps and a powerpoint presentation

>>12724658
Not very good but I'm on my phone

>>12724772
Automated script. The filesystem they use is ascii based if I remember correctly, so shit like that would happen.

>>12724376
landing there by the thousands and building huge cities in lavatubes/holes/buttplugs/domes.

THREE CONCENTRIC DOMES(MARIA, ROSE, SINA)

>>12724776
I'm sure your life is full of thrills

>>12724610
>humans alone
Americans with European help.

>>12724788
>ascii based
isn't this shit pretty ancient

>>12724376
Building the magshield station and terraforming that motherfucker

>>12724389
ayy lmao

>>12724805
Yeah, but it has its benefits such as returning partial data without mangling said data.

>>12724658

>>12724658

>>12724736
>not interact with the other three fundamental forces
Dark matter does interact with the other forces (as hypothesized) but the interaction is so insanely weak and miniscule we cannot observe those interactions accept on a gravitational scale.

It's akin to feeling the wind and seeing it's affect on the surroundings but not knowing what wind actually is. We can see the effects of something in the way galaxies move and interact, but we have absolutely no clue what the fuck is causing it beyond the possibility of matter that is so weakly interacting with the fundamental forces that only the gravitational effect of it's mass is observable. Something is going on. But we don't know what and dark matter is our best guess at the moment.

>>12724720
Woah wait is this real??

>>12724906
Dude dark matter need to NOT interact AT ALL with the strong force or the electromagnetic force, and can only interact either immensely weakly with the weak force and normally through gravity OR purely through gravity. That's just the way it is.

>>12724886
Thumbnail looks like

>>12724928
WIMP
WEAKLY INTERACTING MASSIVE PARTICLE

what the fuck
https://www.hrpub.org/download/201307/azb.2013.010102.pdf

>>12724928
>>12724930

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OCxouQGnns&feature=emb_title

Rover briefing started.

want a mars2020 face ngl

>>12724944
>woman narrator
Call me when someone who actually knows their shit starts talking.

>>12724930
>>12724941
WIMPs only interact through gravity and the weak force, like I fucking said dumbass. Also, WIMPs are only one hypothesis for dark matter, and so far there's no evidence of them (which is not good news for WIMPs because we have already done detection experiments that should have seen WIMP interactions by now if they exist in the densities that we expect them to in order to satisfy gravitational observations).

>>12724930
SIMP
STRANGELY IMMATURE MALE PEDERAST

>>12724937
I can't see shit, looks like artefacts in the image.

>>12724965
8 year olds dude

https://twitter.com/BocaChicaGal/status/1362519041135493122
>Starship SN10 testing has been scheduled for next week. Hopefully, Monday will be static fire attempt of the three Raptor engines on SN10.

>9 successful landings

>>12724309
Wrong.
Muslims will asspull some passage in the pooran that predicts life on other worlds. They love saying it's a scientific text.

Wait what's going on here JPL?

>Yeah we messed up covid protocol
>Get fucked
Pretty based

>>12724944
This man looks DEAD, literally no life in his eyes in any footage

>>12725010
He's Jewish, it's to be expected.

>>12725004
What? Does this dangerous terrorist lives in AZ? I don't feel safe in my home state anymore!

>>12724407
Didn't Buzz take Communion on the lunar surface in the LEM? If the Catholic Church is willing to extend that miracle off world it makes sense they'd be fine with ayys being made by God too.

>>12724577
>Watson
no...

>>12725025
Yes. It only came out after the Mission though because people got all butthurt when Apollo 8 read from the bible during the Christmas transmission.

>>12724251
Their lander craters. They cover it up with photos of the Gobi desert.

esa dude is a bit full on.

>>12725033
AME NO

>>12724978
embarrassing

>>12725004
my state flag :)
can u put a picture of me in there?

>>12724471
>How the fuck did we go from pretty much every single Christian being near certain that life exists on other planets to this?
It's basically a problem caused by America being founded by Protestant dissidents so radical they had to flee Europe.
>deny everything after the Bible
>all doctrinal arguments come down to citing the Bible
>this inevitably devolves into literalism
>the same institutions teaching science are often the same ones saying "eat the bugs, goy" or pushing race mixing, homosexuality, etc., which weakens trust in all institutions, transitively

>>12724640
>No ESA Rovers have landed on Mars successfully
>The plan to pick up the core samples is to rely on an experimental ESA rover/rocket combo to get it back when they haven't gotten a regular rover to work yet.

Hm. More worried than I was before.

>>12724376
Starship and building faster orbital ships for the inner system. The outer system is closed to basically anyone launching from Earth without nuke ships, so either Elon starts planet hopping or the feds deliver on NEP.

Will we get better images today?

>>12725111
have you seen the state of the esa rover? (which is already delayed)

>>12725111
It's okay. When the Eurocucks inevitably fuck up, we can always make something that actually works and retrieve it with that. As long as they don't "land" directly on the samples. (Retards probably will)

>>12725061

>>12725007
for real if you aren't at risk then who gives a shit

>>12725133
Couple weeks.

>>12725111
Nice trips, and good point.

>>12725133
>dusty brown rocks better than dusty gray rocks
But yes probably.

>>12725141
wtf am i looking at

>>12725111
It's basically just a fig leaf to allow SpaceX astronauts to pick them up first without directly telling ESA to fuck off.

>>12725111
i can trust them to carry the bags, but i dont trust them if they make the rocket

>>12725135
No, quick rundown?

>>12725162
>i can trust them to carry the bags
You trust a 4ft tall, double amputee Ethiopian muslim woman to do even that much?

>>12724695
That is exactly what I was inferring. I’m completely open to the possibility it doesn’t exist

>>12725168

>>12725168
look at it. was meant to launch in 2020.

20 bucks the drill won't work.

>>12725212
Looks so bad

>>12725212
Is this an out of season April Fool's joke?

>>12725212
that thing would fall apart the second it hit a rock

>>12725212
>We want to be taken seriously
Kek

so, will the starship test landing on mars have a cybertruck converted to rover? Instead of doing science it has extra batteries and a camera and streams itself going offroading in martian lakebeads via mars starlink

>>12725216
it's nasa circa 1990 with an xbox kinect stuck on the top. delayed till 2022.
the esa is a (very expensive) weather sat launching service and thats all.

>>12725111
isn't the lander made by NASA

>>12725229
The legs alone are super limiting.

>>12725212
I think it's cute.

>>12725230
You know for a fact NASA will pay through the nose to send astronauts to musks colony as soon as its starting to be set up

>>12725212
It's head looks like the stick wojak.

>>12725251
you enjoy the 70s? like a bit of bush?

Kek
https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1362527840391028742?s=21

>>12725265
WTF I love Bloomberg now

>>12725259
Someone quick, make a "mmm, grayons" edit with ESA rover eating Percy's sample cache tubes

>>12725230
>it streams itself doing hektik skidz on Hesperian lake beds
>Reconnaissance Orbiter verification images show it drawing massive dicks

>>12725265
Stop bullying SLS.
Bloomberg just wants the money to go to food stamps and riot control.

Rover infrastructure to be checked out over the next 4-5 days
Mast to be deployed on Sol 2 that will have the panorama color images
First heli flight will be in a few weeks after finding a suitable landing location

>>12725277
lmao

>>12725276
>writes FUCK CHINA in English and Mandarin
>writes YOU SHOULD HAVE SOLD ME THE ROCKET in Russian

>>12725212
I came here to post this.
It's a shame they delayed it, hope at least the chink rover makes it.

>>12725283
noice. everyone here seems spoilt. but it reality this amount of space shit happening would have taken decades before.

>>12725265
Wtf I voted Biden because I fucking love science.

>>12725289
Chink rover nailing the landing would be absolutely based
>>12725283
Oh shit I totally forgot about the helicopter. I feel like it will at least be a couple of months. NASA is probably going to want to make sure all systems are go for it first

If the heli dies the entire mission is in vain right?

>>12725299
>>12725289
I want to see the chink rover crash

>>12725301
Nah it's more of just a side project to help the rover scout out future paths. I'm not complaining that it's there: but they really didn't even need it

>>12725301
i want her to fly :(

>>12725307
Well, you're a retard.

Why do Reddit tier soi cucks screaming I LOVE SCIENCE always take up all the air time on unmanned missions, but on manned missions we always have Chad astronauts, the president and Elon talking instead?

>>12725307
Everyone crashes on their first Mars attempt though. China landing successfully would be an adequate shitpost on the rest of the world

>>12725313
Nah
>>12725316
It would also not be good for anyone but the chinks

>>12725307
>lander makes new crater
>NASA names it Pooh-Bear Crater

>>12725301
>If the heli dies the entire mission is in vain right?
You mean the helicopter? That's the least important part of the mission, it's just a high-risk high-gain experiment.

>the one question from abroad
>something about lying on sofas
i fucking swear.

>>12725322
>That's the least important part of the mission,
But it is far and away the coolest and most interesting part

>>12725321
Would be excellent. Especially if we could get a rover pic of their crash

>>12725320
>It would also not be good for anyone but the chinks
China suddenly proves they are successful out of nowhere, DoD gets startled, China also starts building space station and begins planning for manned Lunar landing, DoD knows Boeing and ULA and NASA are shit so money starts getting pumped into Starship. Think ahead. I hate China but it would be a net benefit for them to have many successes in spaceflight.

>>12725322
>high risk
That dinky thing would just bounce off the rover in the event of a crash.
I bet Perseverance could crush it under the wheels.

>China crashes Tianwen-1 on top of Perseverance
>Big dick China cucks all of JPL fuck you Opportunity you're next

>>12725329
Not yet. We need the space race when starship is closer to being done

>>12725337
Anon, anon oppy is dead.

>>12725337
>Cybertruck launched from Starship crashes on Tienwen-1

>>12725330
flying anything there should not be taken for granted.
h8 oldspace
love nasa
but seriously doing a battery helicopter on mars is fucking insane.

>>12725316
Wow what a failure.

>>12725320
I know China growing stronger while you do nothing blows your mind but that's the reality.
Not having respect for China will contribute to the fall of the USA, you're too proud to improve.
I'm an European so I don't give a fuck about CHINA BAD memes like Burgers do.
The success of that mission = humanity knows more about Mars.
There are many bad things about China, but this rover is a scientific mission.

>>12725341
fuck meant curiosity

>>12725337
>haha i love this shit it's just national wrestling lol fk the us i vote china now i love space
leave

>>12724394
>We
>our
Really? Tell me about your part.

>>12725346
I'm just saying, if I picked up Ingenuity and hurled it at Perseverance as hard as I could I doubt the rover would be damaged much relative to the drone.
It's like what, a pound? There's hardly anything to it.
>>12725355
We all miss her, anon.

Everyone crashes the first time.

>>12725330
>That dinky thing would just bounce off the rover in the event of a crash.
High risk for the helicopter, not the rover.

>>12725359
>Gweilo

>>12725367
Oh I see what you meant now, my error.

>>12725346
The whole process is amazing. The problem is more that we should be past the point of mars rover. People should be on mars and we should have rovers on Titan/Europa

>>12725349
You have the wrong image but now that I think about it Viking 1 was actually a success, see >>12725366
I guess my point was that it is difficult to land on Mars. USA is just good at it (but we still had plenty of failures). China getting it right the first time would be interesting

>>12725354
>There are many bad things about China, but this rover is a scientific mission.
Doctor Mengele's human experiments were scientific too. So?

>>12725314
Rovers are literally toys we shoot into space to keep reddit entertained. Only manned missions matter for the future of our species.

>>12725359

>>12725366
What makes the US so good at this shit? Even in the modern day, when NASA has essentially been infiltrated by progressive diversity shit, they still manage to pull off tricks that other countries only dream of

>the SN9 launch was 17 days ago
Is SpaceX dead? Are they finished? They haven't even done a staticfire on SN10 yet

Dragonfly when?
Mars is boring.

>>12725354
>blows your mind but that's the reality.
It doesn't blow my mind i deal with their ip theft attempts daily.
>I'm an European so I don't give a fuck about CHINA BAD memes like Burgers do.
I doubt that very much
>The success of that mission = humanity knows more about Mars.
No it means china knows more about mars. Its only a net benefit for humanity if they share it.

>>12725330
>Perseverance could crush it under the wheels
That gave me a mental image of an anthropomorphized Persy crushing the drone between her massive thunder thighs.

>>12725361
Not him but if you are American then you helped pay for it

>>12725378
That's a retarded arguments, also as far as I'm concerned the experiments were barely scientific.
I'm not even going to tell you why your argument is retarded, try to think about it for a moment.

>>12725374
>China getting it right the first time would be interesting
they have the benefit of modern computers and robotics, though. It's not really appropriate to compare landing something on Mars in the 70s to today.

>>12725354
>The success of that mission = humanity knows more about Mars.
Can you describe some of the experiments, what their aims are (in detail) and how unprecedented the data gathered will be?
Or are you just making an assumption?

well another event no one gave a shit about ;_;

>>12725380
Robots last the groundwork. I'd love to be blown up in the first Mars base failure as much as you, but everything they are doing is a logical step.

I'm particular interested in Moxie.

>>12725384
We kidnapped all the best Nazi scientists before Stalin could get his grubby little hands on them. We're still coasting after the massive boost of talent that gave us.

>>12725388
Texas kind of has some issues right now

>>12725390
2027 launch as of right now, will most likely be delayed into the 2030's

>>12725384
>when NASA has essentially been infiltrated by progressive diversity shit, they still manage to pull off tricks that other countries only dream of
it's cultural rather than any perceived race based factors.

>>12725392
L-lewd

>>12725384
The soviet house of cards collapsed, ESA is a shoddy NASA copy and the chinks are a shoddy USSR copy. NASA has lacked decent direction for 50 years, everyone else just sucks even worse, being stuck on rovers is nothing to be proud of even though everyone else is absolutely btfo

>>12725398
Good point. A lot of the early US flybys to Mars fucked up because of trivial shit: loss of communications, lots of rocket fairing failures, etc. The hardest part of modern spaceflight is really just getting good programmers to write some clever software, and even the Chinks can do that (well, they can steal it)

>>12725384
Its a mix of top educated personnel, international cooperation and the funding to allow it to happen. Also of you notice most of the sjw shit is just skin deep

>>12725414
If only the Somalis had a McDonalds and shooting range on every corner, they would be walking on other Europa (renamed Afrika) as we speak.

>>12725388
Texas got hit qith a large winter storm that is normally unusual for the area. So the infrastructure is under a heavy load and they're experiencing rolling blackouts. SN10 has been ready for a SF and a hop for days now

>>12725420
>being stuck on rovers is nothing to be proud of
i disagree. you watch one agency come close to that in the next 10 years. as humanity? yea, we should do better. but with what we have?

>>12725391
>It doesn't blow my mind i deal with their ip theft attempts daily.
So? Hard working people do the work, intelligent people steal the work and improve.
Intellectual property is a social construct.
>I doubt that very much
Read about pierogi and barszcz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borscht#Polish_variants
>No it means china knows more about mars. Its only a net benefit for humanity if they share it.
And who told you they're not going to share? Scientists often share data and results.
They have no reason to keep the discoveries secret unless they find alien technology or some shits.

>>12725428
Don't forget boomer-posting Texas politicians telling the population to bootstrap themselves out of hundred year storms and banana-republic tier infrastructure.

>>12725388
They have been cryoproofing the entire launch facility

>>12725384
It's just that the US has a massive economy and a relatively educated population to draw on for space and other things. Europe isn't a unified country and other large-population countries have poverty and education problems that the US doesn't

>>12725384
Diversity is our strength

>>12725384
NASA's planetary missions are usually good because they're small. Small enough that their funding is always at stake (can be taken away) when issues arise. Their large garbage like SSL or James Webb are not meant to succeed, they're for the money and are intentionally too big to fail. So their Mars programs have a real incentive to succeed.

>>12725400
>Can you describe some of the experiments, what their aims are (in detail) and how unprecedented the data gathered will be?
I can't speak Chinese and got to know the mission today, haven't done any research yet.
>Or are you just making an assumption?
Just an assumption, that's how science works.
By sharing the data and results they win because they prove they actually have the technology needed to make it.

>>12725433
Look at SpaceX's growth since their inception and the funds they're working with vs. NASA's over the same time period. "What we have" is not a problem, it's what we're doing with it. We've been wasting money and talent since the retardation of the Shuttle program.

>>12725443
>the US has a massive economy
yup
>a relatively educated population
nope
>Europe isn't a unified country
nope but it's problems aren't that

>>12725443
Bullshit. The US education system is a malicious joke. The left forces anti-white memes into education while the right tries to force retarded Christian and ancap bullshit instead of keeping racial hatred out of the curricula.

>>12725212
how is this thing going to land?

>>12725259
lmao. I feel like I've seen another edit that's even more fitting but I can't find it

>>12725461
If your first complaint about US education starts with "the left" you probably went to a private school

>>12725453
Imagine if even half the SLS cash hand gone to spacex, hell share it with the other B-C tier private private enterprises.

>>12725472
SpaceX doesn't need more money 2bh. They need more Elons and competent engineers. Musk has consistently said that the lack of good engineers is the only bottleneck.

>>12725452
>haven't done any research yet.
Figured

>>12725434
>? Hard working people do the work, intelligent people steal the work and improve.
Name a single improvement china has made. I'll wait
>>12725434
>Read about pierogi and barszcz
You aren't polish and if you are then you are even more retarded for supporting china but i suspect you are a slant.
>And who told you they're not going to share? Scientists often share data and results.
Their previous missions show us they wont

>>12725453

>>12725469
I went to public school and these are the realities of burger politics.

>>12725487
>education

>>12725461
i still remember my 9th grade biology teacher gritting her teeth through an explanation of creationism and the 6 thousand year old earth theory, kek.

>>12725487
Wtf is "space technology"? is this them getting serious about nuclear thermal etc?

>>12725487
there has to be a correlation between amount of money any given industry/company/organization has and the shittyness of its visual diagrams

>>12725453
You're right but NASA would need it's funding doubled or tripled to do anything useful without contracting it all out. That's why they are going commercial for the lunar program

>>12725448
Retard

Next event is NASA Antares launch from Wallops on Saturday

>>12725487
>Last Shuttle Flight: 2011
>Shuttle funding continues until 2013

>>12725467
lmao

>>12725452
>China
>sharing scientific data or research
Is this a shitpost or bait? Are you fucking serious?

>>12725515
Decommissioning of the fleet and ground control facilities for museum's and scrapping.

>>12725515
The physical assets don't vanish in a puff of smoke the instant a program is cancelled. They must be dealt with.

>>12725515
Hey that's me!

>>12725525
He's dumb either way so just ignore him.

>>12725534
Thank you Senator for keeping the dream alive

>>12725460
>nope
If you remove the inner city minorities the US has a decent education system. Its not great but its first world and thats what matters when it comes to higher education seeding and filtering top candidates.

>>12725384
>century after century of europeans leave their native countries to subjugate, civilize, and mix races with other peoples in other places
>the yurangutans of 2021 are the incurious people left over after everyone with something remotely similar to a faustian spirit left ages ago
Unfettered civilization is an unsustainable genetic meat grinder. It incentivizes the daring and the intelligent to eschew procreation in favor of pursuits that, more often than not, won't translate into bettering the future past your death. We incentivize our own destruction.

>>12724328
>cat isn't floating around and wriggling mid-air
fake

>>12725151

>>12725461
If you ever attended a college you'd realize how bullshit that is.

>>12724207
sn10 launch when?

>>12725486
>Name a single improvement china has made. I'll wait
I don't know, anon, there must be something because they had civilization when everyone in Europe was shitting in the woods.
They made paper, gunpowder, fiat currency, they're not stupid. Their biotech industry is rapidly evolving and they have really efficient ways of synthesis of certain organic compounds like vitamin C.
>You aren't polish
Co mam ci zdjęcie chuja wysłać dla potwierdzenia? Hope this helps.
>you are even more retarded for supporting china
I'm not supporting the bad things they do, but I'm supporting the good things they do and my country becomes more and more economically dependent on China.
It is unavoidable and wanting them to fail even at the good things they do is just childish.
Americans can pretend all they want they're the number one but this rapidly changes.
Learn to respect your enemy and maybe you'll survive, if you don't well you are going to experience the fate of the shithole I'm living in.

>>12724207
What are sfg's theories as to how the orbital launch mount is going to work based on what we've seen?

>>12725565
If they static on Monday then earliest the FAA might approve a hop will be 1st March.

>>12725546
Literally unintelligible and cringe. Came across like nietzsche fucked a thesaurus

>>12725545
>common core began in 2010
>over half the kids under the age of 10 are children of poor third worlders our government imported as cheap slave labor
education system's fucked yo

>>12724207
what are these for?

>>12725564
I went to college. Dealt with a lot of bullshit in my life but the final straw was when my psych prof said children do not need a stable home environment and emphatically defended some wight loss miracle bullshit while half the class was practically shouting at her to remember the placebo effect. After that embarrassing shit-show of a class, I lost any faith in the system and dropped out.

>>12725212
And it's named after Rosalind Franklin, correct? So just like the namesake, this rover is basically a fraud hyped by like a select few individuals.

>>12724441
go back, retard

>>12725526
Decommissioning doesn’t “cost” money... you sell ur assets at a profit....

>>12725592
>one professor made me quit when I can choose my own professors and anyone with friends knows who the good ones are

>>12725602
>So just like the namesake, this rover is basically a fraud hyped by like a select few individuals.
Her work was actually important, discovering DNA structure would be impossible without her X-ray crystallography photo of DNA.

>>12725578
>Came across like nietzsche fucked a thesaurus
I'll take that as a compliment, since i've never read neetshe and I didn't use a thesaurus.
Do you genuinely believe the bottom 10% of the IQ bell curve having a fertility rate 3-4x that of the top 10% is sustainable? I don't, and I'm scared shitless that we'll run head first into the great filter before anyone comes to their senses.

>>12725592
For me it was a history course where the teacher straight up starting doing the "white males are evil, European colonialism is the root of all evil in the world, White people literally deserve to die." Bullshit. Not only that but the guy was an open an unabashed Marxist. It was a course on Native American peoples and history and we actually had a native guy in the class, and the professor proceeded to basically tell the guy he didn't know his own people's history when the native guy corrected him on some point.

Eventually I couldn't take that shit anymore. Walked out, complained to the dean and demanded my tuition back. Literally nothing happened and they refused to reimburse me so I left. Told the dean to his face I won't pay to have communist propaganda shoved down my throat and that their fucking school is a joke.

That was the first redpill.

>>12725479
You are right about that but spacex will need as much money as possible to establish a colony

>>12725585
Super-heavy launch-pad water-tank

>>12725623
I told you it was the final straw, not the only one, you obtuse faggot.

>>12725479

I once calculated the number of nuclear powerplants required to cover all of the world's needs. There is definitely not enough competent people available to manage that capacity.

>>12725638
>he didn't change his major
>he didn't transfer
>he probably didn't even learn a trade after

>>12725638
Quit replying you idiot

>>12725655
Holy shit, thank you. My bad.

>>12725635

SpaceX will stay independent from colonies, or maybe they will start some subsidiaries to cover it. They will develop technology required for the colonies and then sell earth versions to people.

Also you must consider the fact that by the time we're populating Mars, SpaceX will be at the front of asteroid mining endeavours.

>>12725640
then we build mega nuclear plants on every continent

>>12725633
Did you kill that prof? Did you burn his house down and break his legs ? Why talk when no one does anything to these people

Our countries deserve what is happening

>>12725592
>my psych prof

Why did you have a psych prof for anything? Are you a braindead dipshit?

>>12725663
I wonder how much Musk has thought about the impending lithium shortage and how he can mine it offworld

>>12725664

I really want to call you retarded but I haven't calculated why.

>>12725554
Constant thrust gravity is achievable with existing technology

>>12725633
>white males are evil
Colonialism is evil though, people were killed and enslaved.
>European colonialism is the root of all evil in the world
Not all evil, obviously.
>White people literally deserve to die
Can't believe he really said that. American "college" is a parody of real university.
>Marxist
>communist
Stop using terms you don't understand. Unless the professor was talking about "getting back means of production" or "the working class", it wasn't marxist.

>>12725567
>because they had civilization when everyone in Europe was shitting in the woods.
False
>They made paper, gunpowder, fiat currency, they're not stupid
They weren't the first for paper or fiat currency also the people that did that no longer exist. See pic related
>Their biotech industry is rapidly evolving and they have really efficient ways of synthesis of certain organic compounds like vitamin C.
Are you seriously leading with a major ip theft example?
>I'm not supporting the bad things they do, but I'm supporting the good things they do and my country becomes more and more economically dependent on China.
Your country needs to remove itself from that dependence. Also their regime is bad and their actions are bad, that means tech development will lead to bad things. I cannot imagine why any european would want a immoral asian power to gain technological competence.
>Learn to respect your enemy and maybe you'll survive, if you don't well you are going to experience the fate of the shithole I'm living in.
I do respect them thats why i do not want this to succeed. Also poland was a great country and will be again. But only if it does not fall under another corrupt communist regime like the CCP. Eastern and western Europe and their ex colonies are the only future we can tolerate and we must work to remain on top.

>>12725668
I'm thinking he must be very aware of the shortage and the solutions. If this is something he has overlooked I will eat a mask.

>>12725640
Nuclear doesn’t need “maintenance” the military hires fucking teenagers to manage their nuke plants

>>12725677
don't be such a buzzkill
it'd be cool like Foundation
then one day some dudes start making little ones and we get btfo
it'll be kino af trust me

>>12725681
>Constant thrust gravity is achievable with existing technology

Not in any way that's particularly useful.

>>12725439
>They have been cryoproofing the entire launch facility

Instead of replying to some faggot about some faggoty shit, let's talk about the rover's landing zone. Looks like it's next to sand dunes and will have to go around in order to go where it wants to go. How long do you think that'll take?

>>12725265
Archive link: https://archive.is/WGcDb

>>12725665
Honestly at this point I agree. Believe me no one has more contempt for my own inaction and cowardice but me.

But this is straying waaaay to far from the point of this thread.

>>12725684
I know the difference between Marxism/Communism/Socialism/whatever. /his/ is my second favorite board after /sci/. This guy was a literal, "we should overthrow the government in favor of a worker's republic" type faggot. Also colonialism was no more evil than anything else any other group of humans have done to eachother. Trying to pretend that no group of people is without sin is silly. Not to mention for people on the left the issue isn't even really with colonialism, it's just an excuse to use white straight males as the one socially acceptable hate group.

>>12725633
wow real though guy here. Did everybody clap?

>>12725684
>Colonialism is evil
In what universe is setting up camp in a mostly empty region after obtaining the natives' permission "evil".
>people were killed and enslaved
Disease killed most Indians and there was literally nothing any party could have done to stop or even predict this. Slavery is a separate issue to colonization. Indians were the initial aggressors in most conflict. They would pull shit like wander into town squares pretending to be merchants then pull out weapons and murder women, children and old men.

>Stop using terms you don't understand
Oh, you're a capricious midwit. Shouldn't have bothered.

>>12725713
>his/ is my second favorite board after /sci/.
nobody has ever self owned this hard.

>>12725705
knowing the speed at which mars rovers move, about 5 years

>>12725579
Yeah well that won't be fixed unless we stop the non European immigration

>>12725731
its configured for some degree of autonomous movement

>>12725731
>>12725738
I thought the NASA lady said up to 200m per day, which ain't too bad relatively.

>>12725724
>you're a capricious midwit
Christ on the cross, you talk like this?

>>12724389
isthisreal?

>>12724586
>I’m saying that we are still too young to get on the pier of our ship

There is always the chance we're a pretty retarded form of life. The progress we've made could be far slower than what other solar systems have produced.

>>12724624
>Worst thing about COVID is you don't get the full celebration feeling. Everything is quieter from the masks and distancing.

The artificial screams and woots of "excitement" were pretty cringeworthy.
>i feel no inherent need to make noise right now but social and peer pressures are making me

>>12725700
just use a NSWR bro

>>12725738
Obviously its autonomous given the time lag, that's not my point, my point is that they only roll it forward at a few cm per hour. Over its entire lifetime curiosity only travelled like 20km, i can walk twice that in a day.

>>12725745
>you talk like this?
I'm sorry, do I converse in a manner that is perceived as low class in your bubble?

>>12725410
How bad is it actually?

>>12725663
>SpaceX will stay independent from colonies
No they will not. Pay fucking attention

>>12725684
>Colonialism is evil
No it is not

>>12725758
Mild weather. Half the states in US are experiencing the same cold, but Texas can't cope due to Ancapistan retardation.

>>12725745
>Christ on the cross
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, you talklikethis?

>>12725684
>Unless the professor was talking about "getting back means of production" or "the working class", it wasn't marxist.
I've had multiple professors that were marxists and leninists. They don't have to hide it in academia and students have no power to stop them.

>>12725713
>This guy was a literal, "we should overthrow the government in favor of a worker's republic" type faggot.
Ah, if so then fine, I just hear it used as a buzzword too often.
>Also colonialism was no more evil than anything else any other group of humans have done to eachother.
You have a point, I see nothing wrong with calling it evil though.

>>12725724
>capricious midwit
this is a guy that takes himself very seriously, i can smell it

>>12725749
>existing technology
>NSWR

Anon... I...

>>12725709
Thank you

>>12725771
lol

>>12725780
No. I'm an "ironic" millennial just like you!

>>12725761
>No they will not. Pay fucking attention

Motherfucker, politeness is appreciated.

Anyone want to talk about that cool rover that just landed a few hours ago? Check the site to see if new images start coming in? Speculate on how soon it'll be before it starts rolling? They're raising the mast tomorrow, or so they said on stream. Should be some cool pictures then.

>>12725766
I got 8 inches of snow and it's fine, I hate shoveling though.

>>12725758
Got up to like 4 million CUSTOMERS without power, so probably 16 million people without power or more. Some still don't have power, 4 days later.

>>12725799
Should get the first picture from the landing tonight. Everything else is going to take a few days

>>12725434
>InTeLleCtuAl ProPeRtY iS a SoCiaL CoNstRuct

>The year is 2072
>You're doing a spacewalk at a USSF facility in GVO
>Repairing some solar modules, changing out a couple batteries
>Honest work for an honest man

>>12725808
I may live in a cucked country but at least it can snow here and nobody loses power

>>12725630
>Do you genuinely believe the bottom 10% of the IQ bell curve having a fertility rate 3-4x that of the top 10% is sustainable?

They’re not all that smart if they don’t have kids. Good riddance

>>12725823
The snow didn't really matter. It was the -2F temperatures in the only state that doesn't require winterized power generators

>>12725782
It can't be that hard

>>12725799
>Anyone want to talk about that cool rover that just landed a few hours ago?
No. Their media team has done nothing but show how good they are at finding token colors to put in front of the camera while screaming IFLS. It's gay.

>>12725780
>>12725745
>capricious
>REEEEE-

>>12725823
Half of America's political system is dedicated to reducing the quality of life through deregulation and then blaming it windmills

>>12725823
>I may live in a cucked country but

>>12725799
The helicopter has two cameras it seems (one color), cool shit.
We're going to get cool photos after all!
https://mars.nasa.gov/files/mars2020/MarsHelicopterIngenuity_FactSheet.pdf

>>12725774
To be fair, most of those people are fake commies who loathe the working class and pretend the "real" working class is made up of first generation immigrant black trans fry cooks who dedicate their lives to fighting bigotry.

>>12725830
I'd love to give it a go but I'm a stickler for words having meanings that actually mean something.
>existing

Also,
>can't be that hard
lel

>>12725834
I live in an collapsing oligarchy posing as a democracy at the absolute heart of the globohomo please send tanks and american flags

>>12725839
American flags don’t represent what they used to, I’m afraid. We should all just escape to Titan

>>12725839
>I live in an collapsing oligarchy posing as a democracy at the absolute heart of the globohomo
>please send tanks and american flags
Anon...

>>12725420
>everyone else just sucks even worse
This.

>>12725831
>>Anyone want to talk about that cool rover that just landed a few hours ago?
>No
Then fuck you and fuck off.

>>12725813
I'm excited to see another image or two tonight, this morning Mars on the eyes-sim was moon sized and now it's there.
>>12725836
An aerial portrait of Perseverance would be awesome, no more having to stitch images together and have retards ask "where da cameraman?"

>>12725828
>They’re not all that smart if they don’t have kids.
An upper-midwit has a conscience and it's difficult to override that conscience with pure intelligence.

Breeding when you can't be certain you can provide a perfect environment requires courage. Courage is easy when you're thick.

>>12725836
Plus the video and real photos from the landing will be super legit

>>12725684
>actual leftoid on /sfg/

>>12725837
Yeah, i don't give a shit if they are real or fake. I care about the damage they are doing to our country and the world. They should be publicly executed

>>12725668
Fake. Minerals are basically infinite

>>12725868
That video of the heat shield on Curiosity dropping away was awesome and that was years ago, the new video and especially the audio will be cool as fuck to see and hear.

>>12725863
Yep

>>12725868
Are they going to send back videos?

>>12725837
>pretend the "real" working class is

I'm not sure they're pretending.


>>12725863
>Then fuck you and fuck off.
No

>>12725868
This is more exciting.

>>12725874
>Minerals are basically infinite

C'mon. Why would you even say that as a "joke"?

>>12725903
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/12/japan-rare-earths-huge-deposit-of-metals-found-in-pacific.html

Minerals have no reason to ever run out, except environmental regulation bullshit

>>12725891
Multiple videos from different angles in the coming weeks. One video from the descent stage looking at the rover is expected to be uploaded by Monday

>>12725876
Did you see the positions of the cameras? We are going to get to see one of the most complex flight maneuvers and we get to see it above the surface of another planet.

>>12725912
>Did you see the positions of the cameras?
I did not but that sounds awesome anon. I thought I saw a graphic labeling all the cameras on Perseverance itself but that didn't include the skycrane/backshell.

>>12725212
>>12725467

>>12725926
>mmm, sambles

>>12725111
but international cooperation

>>12725891
>>12725894
Just a heads up to the normies, they have the whole landing covered by cameras. We are going to have HD pictures and videos of the whole landing.

>>12725919
See
>>12725937

>>12725314
Because human landing system isn't a thing and hasn't been a thing for 60 years.

>>12725937
I wonder if the NASA CGI has gotten better since last time

>>12725941
Neat, that's lots of cool footage I can't wait to see.

Apologize.

>>12725911
>Multiple videos from different angles in the coming weeks.
H-hot.

>>12725937
>Just a heads up to the normies
Not just normies, I'm into space exploration but I wouldn't call myself a normie.
Videos from another planets are always appreciated.
Also this is a good way to make taxpayers happy and teach kids space is cool.

>>12725953
Yeah and just a heads up the reason we got the shit pictures is because the hazcams are low quality on purpose

Is it safe to say that we have Mars landings down to a fine art now?

>>12725963
NASA does, I hope China fails

>>12725957
>but I wouldn't call myself a normie.
Well you may not be a space normie but you definitely don't know much about the rover. The landing cams have been shilled almost as much as the helicopter

>>12725960
Yeah I'm aware but I did have to explain that to three different people irl today lol.
>>12725963
What was the last failure, Beagle2?

>>12725963
Not yet. It's only for specific payload sizes (rovers) and on specific levels of Mars. For example, landing on the upper levels and mountains presents different challenges. No one has tried to land a Starship sized craft there yet.

>>12725837
>fake commies

Does this even mean anything? Marxism is no true scotsman: the philosophy, there's a shitload of competing schools that are still branching off till this day and all of them maintain that real marxism has never been tried

>>12725972
>but I did have to explain that to three different people irl today lol.
Yeah thats why I'm spreading it around as much as possible.

I can't believe you guys are subjecting me to posts about how universities are a sham. On /sci/. On /sci/'s /sfg/. Do you think the Mars rover folk from JPL are self-taught?

>>12725986
I can't believe it's not butter.

>>12725956

Why is this little bald faggot trying to stand in Von Braun's shoes and doing it so badly? Cringe.

If you're determined to plagiarise it then get the fucking framing right at least, jesus.

>>12725963
I don't get these reusable skycrane memes.

>>12725969
this, but thankfully once Ingenuity flys the chicoms will be lightyears behind the curve

>>12725986
Universities are a sham. We all have degrees thats why we are saying this. Yes some programs are quality and most strm fields can't get around the actual material being taught but that doesn't mean your communications, anthropology, history and writing gened courses are going to be good.

>>12725994
In KSP I try to fly them away and land safely as an extra challenge.

>>12725986
>Do you think the Mars rover folk from JPL are self-taught?

Do you think they paid a lot of money for a humanities degree?

>>12725963
>Is it safe to say that we have Mars landings down to a fine art now?
>art

This is why we will have at least a decade of failed expeditions with no one giving a good answer as to why

>>12725994
They're not reusable, or do you mean they use the same design on each rover mission? It's the safest way to land a large payload without tipping over

>>12725974
To be fair, nobody has ever tried to land a Starship sized rocket anywhere, at any time, until right now.

>>12725986
>man surprised that spacexgeneral disavows tertiary educational institutes after founder of spacex says they're worthless

>>12726003
>Do you think they paid a lot of money for a humanities degree?

Do you think the people who studied for a humanities degree paid a lot of money for a humanities degree?

So how long until it collects a soil sample and what can the rover determine without sending the sample back to earth?

>>12725986
The Mars rover folk from JPL all have hard science degrees and probably went to the most insular colleges.

>>12726015
How much is the rover team being paid?

>>12725986
>defending the money farms that indoctrinate people into communism

>>12725996
Guess what? Lots of Europeans don't do that. I had to take one (1) hour of mandatory "ethics in engineering" lecture which I ended up enjoying.

Just go to a quality program, it ain't fucking rocket science.

>>12726016
One of the dudes in the control room went to the same uni I'm currently doing my master's at (in West-Europe).

>>12725996
the only reason its a sham is you americans have to spend the majority of your working life paying off student debt when you should be spending it on a fucking house and car etc

>>12726015
First sample probably won't be collected for at least a month at the earliest. They only have 30 sample vials so they are going to make them count.

The rover can determine if there were signs of past life following Earth's past life evidence.

>>12726003
Do you think I meant a humanities degree in /sci/? In /sfg/?

>>12725926
>>12725930
my sides have entered orbit

>>12726022
>Just go to a quality program
>I'm currently doing my master's at (in West-Europe)
You clearly do not understand the first thing about life in Ancapistan. Getting a quality (or even basic) education isn't something you can "just go do".

>>12726015
>what can the rover determine without sending the sample back to earth?
>*beepboop* I have collected some dirt
>*beep* *beep* Processing
>*boopbeep* Dirt confirmed for dirt

Every anon arguing about college bullshit has a tiny penis. Post spaceflight.

>>12726034
Just enroll in a uni in a different country, enrolling in Europe at foreigner tuition prices is still 1/10th of tuition in your own goddamn country.

Come study Aerospace Engineering in Europe and hit on yuro girls with your American accent.

>>12725937
I've been imagining what this might look and sound like especially as the descent stage rockets away leaving the rover, will we hear the crash of the stage in the distance, when will we hear the first gust of Mars wind...

We're gonna hear the first sounds of wind (possibly) from another world, it's gonna be incredible

>>12725953
>Neat, that's lots of cool frottage I can't wait to see.

hehue, if you read his sentence like this it becomes very different

>>12726022
seconding the other anon - European unis and yank colleges are worlds apart, at least in terms of affordability and how easy it is to “just do” anything with them.

Imagine being an actual conservative on a science board, of all things.

>>12726041
I really wish it wasn't way too fucking late in my life to do any of that.