/sci/ - Science & Math

Hows your run of the mill laymen worker supposed to study any of this while juggling a day job
He's just supposed to tRuSt ThE eXpErTs?

>>12714812
NO DUMBASS IT DOESN'T REWRITE YOUR GODDAMNED DNA STOP SPREADING BULLSHIT

>>12714843
>STOP SPREADING BULLSHIT
all i did was ask a question im not spreading anything
are you unable to understand why i am uneasy with these massive agencies pushing me to put something unprecedented in my body when i have no idea what it is..

>>12714812
according to our current body of knowledge, no. can't say for sure though.

>>12714812
Go back to pol retard

>>12714812
Does covid on itself rewrite your DNA? As far as I know, it does not. This mRNA vaccine works on the same principle as any other mRNA-based virus. Your cell reads the information from mRNA and starts producing protein.

>>12714812
Even the most destitute immigrant worker can afford enough Internet to read up on what mRNA is and what it does. OP is the special kind of retard who has all the time and opportunity in to acquire all the knowledge he could possibly need on this subject, but instead acts as the local lolcow spreading whatever dumb meme is currently spreading on social media, ironically becoming a contagious vector for said idea.

>>12714812
your DNA is translated into mRNA so you can make proteins. DNA is not lost, the cell just makes a copy of parts of the DNA but in RNA version.
Considering that, the mRNA is not strictly DNA. (just read the name, ribonucleic acid is not deoxyribonucleic acid, it's like apples and pears)
Now with the vaccine, as far as I know, it basically introduces mRNA in your cells so they can make proteins from it.
So neither your own DNA or mRNA are modified, the only thing is that your cells' protein-making machinery is used to produce the protein information carried by the vax's mRNA. Ok, so what proteins are we talkin about? I think they made em specifically so they make the Spike proteins from the virus (the protein that the virus uses to attach and infect cells). Once your cells produce said protein they'll react at it since it's foreign (it wasn't made from local RNA) and produce antibodies, so then, when the virus shows up you have antibodies ready to neutralise it.
Hope this was clear enugh

>>12714812
Nanocircles?
used in vaccine
please explain

>>12716726
i'm sure i could "read" about it on google
that doesn't make it legit
you can tell me a lot of things that i can't personally verify

>>12718083
to be quite frank i think i would rather just get covid
that's way too elaborate, intimate, and engineered

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>>12714812
Based and independent thinking anon. Bootlickers ITT seething.

>>12714812
We can't know unless big pharma releases the code.

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>>12718330
go out and lick doorknobs then. better to get it now while numbers are in a downswing.

just remember to not spread it to anyone else. you never know who might have asthma or a parent on chemo or something.

>>12714812
>Veritas
kek. Hey how about some Alex Jones, Qanon, and DarkOutpost.com while you're at it?

>>12714812
I think the virus does, so the vaccine probably does also.

>>12714816
if I can you can.

>>12714812
Do we have any way of knowing for sure what RNA sequence we are receiving in the injection?
I also wonder if there is risk of mutating a virus you are already infected with.
If the mRNA gets into a cell that has already been hijacked by another virus, could that virus incorporate the spike mRNA?

>>12718428
yeah that's fair

>>12718624
there's just too much unknown to me
our bodies have been dealing with disease and virus, especially from meat, if that's really what happened (doubt), for sooooooooooooooooo long.
in fact most bodies don't have a big problem consuming "rotten meat" from what i can distinguish

we have NEVER PUT THIS IN OUR BODIES

one of these things is significantly more concerning to me
our bodies have so much data and mechanisms in play to deal with viruses.
it's completely walking in the dark doing this mRNA thing

>>12718619
i mean studying DNA and RNA in person, myself. not reading up on it.
not something thats been released by a funded agency, pharma business, etc.

there is a big difference between learning, and being conditioned

>>12718681
>we have NEVER PUT THIS IN OUR BODIES
no but viruses have for millenia.

the difference being that we're not telling the cell to make a whole bunch of new virus until they eventually burst open the cell like that scene out of alien, like virus would have, but rather just the little spike parts on the outside of them that it needs to train on.

>>12718720
>>we have NEVER PUT THIS IN OUR BODIES
>no but viruses have for millenia.
exactly
i trust my bodies naturally developed ability to handle viruses much more than i trust mRNA vaccines

>until they eventually burst open the cell like that scene out of alien, like virus would have,
this is really dramatic

i appreciate your take on this but there is no way for me or you or any of us to personally verify any of this through our own long term experimentation

>>12718685
>all science is actually propaganda, the truth can only be acquired through my favorite rightwing conspiracy site

Young earth creationism, antivax, flat earth, fossil fuel climate change, 5G, it always comes back to this same mindset.

>>12718761
that's not what i said and you sound like a twitter parrot by twisting my words around

i have absolutely every reason to be extremely skeptical and downright defensive against that industry, and you have no virtue to mock me for it

>>12718760
>>until they eventually burst open the cell like that scene out of alien, like virus would have,
>this is really dramatic
i mean, that's literally what they do.
virus comes in, dumps a bunch of instructions to make more viruses, then the cell just does that until it's too full and it erupts out the cell wall, leading to cell necrosis and the virus spreading to more cells in the nearby area, to start the parasitic process all over again.

>>12718792
has anyone studied out autophagy and fasting work against this process? (if at all)

>>12718792
Stop being antisemitic

>>12718782
Normally I'm heavily suspicious of fatcats as well. they'd throw you under a bus for a cornchip.

but it's in their best financial interest for things to "return to normal"

they want this pandemic over so the economy can resume and they can go back to their stable plan of exploitation and making money hand over fist.

>>12718801
the fuck?

>>12718798
https://news.yale.edu/2016/09/08/listening-body-study-examines-effects-fasting-infections

"Starve a fever, feed a cold"

Are you getting the vaccine?

>>12719033
>but it's in their best financial interest for things to "return to normal"
I'm really not so sure about that
That sounds like one of those "on paper" things
But a ton of competition got dumpstered during covid. Only the most stable businesses survived.
There's different factions of elite.
If we are talking about pharma, which we are, then they absolutely benefit big time from selling this vaccine and getting to experiment on the world for free.

I'm sorry but I find your comment naive

>>12719042
Was wondering if there were any studies on it for coronachan specifically

>>12714812
JUST TAKE IT! HURRY! NO TIME TO TEST!
https://odysee.com/@Realfake_Newsource:9/RFNS-003-006:f

>>12714812
Modernda/Pfizer yes

>>12714812
No. It doesn't even come close to your DNA.

>>12719467 >>12718083 >>12716655 >>12714843
>DOESN'T REWRITE YOUR GODDAMNED DNA
>As far as I know, it does not
>So neither your own DNA or mRNA are modified
>No. It doesn't even come close to your DNA.

see >>12718318
I read several months ago that DNA nanocircle was used in the vaccine, I'd previously already researched these several years earlier with their ability to modify DNA..
theres many uses for such things I'm sure but can you specifically state how it was used in the COVID vaccine?
I couldn't manage to find a medical paper that explained it exactly without simply leaving this specific bit completely out.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7482332B2/en
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/000664.html
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11024885_Artificial_human_telomeres_from_DNA_nanocircle_templates
cheers for the help.

>>12718468
no it doesn't you dumb nigger, covid isn't lysogenic.

I'm actually glad I'm taking the Russian vaccine after reading how shady this Pfizer shit is lmao

>>12714843
Hi retard. Sorry to feed your inferiority complex, but you're in no way "superior" to these people. So stop acting like that.

>>12719438
oh they have indeed loved how it killed out small-timers whose assets they could snatch up. But even they with their prodigious heft can only take so much losses. Large shortterm downturns are a great time to eat weaker competition and add them to your own ever-amassing blob. Large longterm downturns grind the economy to a halt as everyone tightens their belt, and causes runs on banks which causes BIG problems in a world built on debt and fiat.

And sure, big Pharma has had a great time because of the epidemic, and they are technically two separate areas of elites. However, you have to look at where all the sudden influx of funding has come from, who they're answering to. It's not like these vaccines were developed on their own dime. And if it were to turn out that their miracle vaccine is dangerous or even just ineffectual, after such a large number of very power financial investors paid them large sums of money to make the problem go away now that they're done profiteering off of it, they would be driven into the ground. Everything from investors pulling out to media dragging them through the mud, especially because hedge funds will want to short them, leading to the usual hedge fund media cooperative market manipulation.
If it works, they're saviors and heroes and extremely wealthy because they had everyone in a bind. If it doesn't perform as advertised, its guaranteed bankruptcy, and nigh-guaranteed blackballing, they'll never run anything again.

In short, I find YOUR comment naive, because you don't realize just how connected it all is.

>>12719639
sure he is. gullibility and ignorance aren't desirable traits after all.

Jesus fucking Christ.

American right has gone full retard. Is there anything you don't include in your culture war grievance politics?

>>12719683
i've even seen them bitch about traffic circles being part of the "pushy liberal agenda"

just don't bother man. they didn't get this way by reason, you're not gonna get them out with it either.

>>12714812
That fucking image made me laugh

>>12718425
this is sort of accurate, but still unfunny

>>12719521
Nigger do you even know how a mRNA works?? Look up a highschool video.

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>>12720026
All of you are dumb niggers. Look up how mRNA works.
https://youtu.be/gG7uCskUOrA

>>12720046
>replynigger
Opinion dismissed

>>12720046 >>12720046
so the old &/or new cell after cell division has more telemere sequences?...
are nanocircles used by the vaccine to add additional sequences to the old &/or new cells?

your answer is vague and has not addressed its specific use with this vaccine as was the question.
are you stating "trust" only the mRNA has changed to generate specific proteins and nothing more?

can you answer the question without being a dick about it, and reference source that states nanocircles was specifically used for a specific way only.

>>12720026 >>12720046
so the old &/or new cell after cell division has more telemere sequences?...
are nanocircles used by the vaccine to add additional sequences to the old &/or new cells?

your answer is vague and has not addressed its specific use with this vaccine as was the question.
are you stating "trust" only the mRNA has changed to generate specific proteins and nothing more?

can you answer the question without being a dick about it, and reference source that states nanocircles was specifically used for a specific way only.

>>12714812
why would they leak only a few seconds, why not the full call?

>>12714843

Real science doesn't require tasting

>>12718425

>build ships forever

So he is admitting if causes an autoimmune disease

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>>12719521

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine does change your DNA so they will have to update the narrative.

>>12720158
(it doesn't)

>>12720196
((it does))

no, the viral dna doesn't enter nucleolus and is transcribed outside of it

>>12714812
>DNA mRNA
You have no idea how retarded you sound, do you?

>>12720016
xkcd has never been good at humor. but he make halfway decent infographics.

>>12720046
>msg
how scary. a substance only seen in such horrible, unnatural, and contaminating substances as Cheese and Tomatoes and Seaweed and Mushrooms and Yeast and Literally All Meats.

>>12720155
holy shit that's an actual headline what the fuck

>>12719521
if it gives you more telomere, then it's extending your lifespan. Telomere extension is like the number one holy grail when it comes to de-aging technology, because you slowly lose it as your cells divide and them breaking down makes the copying process more lossy leading to higher chance of developing cancers and various forms of organ and system deterioration.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370421/

>>12720674
damn no wonder pizza is so good. I'll have to sprinkle nori flakes on a slice some time

>>12720688
yes I know what telomere is.
this was considered only one application of nanocircles, the question was how is nanocircles used specifically in the vaccine?
what is the template used by the nanocircles in the vaccine?

telomerase is another way to deal with telomeres, resverotrol also..
telomere lengthening is not the purpose of the vaccine.

OP IS A SCHIZO REDNECK METHFIEND

>>12719521
>I read several months ago that DNA nanocircle was used in the vaccine
Which vaccine exactly? There are several.
Especially because as far as I'm aware not a single COVID vaccine uses DNA vaccine or CRISPR technology. They're all either something traditional, or the new mRNA kind, which has already been discussed at length in this thread about how they function, and how they have absolutely zero effect on DNA, instead forging a set of blueprints (as if your DNA had sent it) for your ribosomes to read and create proteins from.

In fact, CRISPR gene therapy is still in earliest experimental stages for human use on sickle cell, and NO DNA vaccine has yet been cleared by the FDA for use on ANYthing. The closest are live vector vaccines, where genetic modification is inflicted on a harmless bacterial or virus vector so that it outwardly resembles a dangerous one, like the vaccine for Hep B that puts its surface antigen on yeast, and I don't see anyone bitching about that one, so why worry about the same concept but COVID? But fine, if that's still too spooky because "muh GMO", johnson & johnson is only supposed to be used as an emergency backup anyways. Just get one of the recommended ones.

Honest to god, google is right fuckin there, you can look all this up yourself you'll rub those two braincells together.

Millions have been vaccinated by now with the vaccines, where are all the horrible side effects that the conspiracy loonies thew around.

>muh long term

No, after 2 weeks the vaccine is gone from your body

>>12721919
no but see, its supposed to rewrite your DNA to make you gay.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/rabbi-asserts-that-coronavirus-vaccines-can-turn-people-into-homosexuals-655585

>>12721827
so you had no idea what nanocircles previously were and merely regurgitated the same material we've all already read anyway.
congrats on being a massive cock.
next time just say you aren't familiar with its use and be done done with it; your attempt to sound like an expert has only revealed how massive dick head you are.
good luck with that.

>>12722109
>so you had no idea what nanocircles previously were
I'm convinced you still don't know.

>>12718760
>i trust my bodies naturally developed ability to handle viruses much more than i trust mRNA vaccines

Yeah that worked out great for people in the past with polio, smallpox and measles.

>>12722138
yes, you're a retarded teenager with personality problems.
thanks for making that clear.
cheers.

>>12718418
No fucking way they gonna make GitGud

>>12722160
>Yeah that worked out great for people in the past with polio, smallpox and measles
none of those used an mRNA vac. in fact the covid19 mrna vac is literally the first an mRNA vac has actually worked let alone been used on the masses

>>12722389
>none of those used an mRNA vac.
so?
>let alone been used on the masses
Which is the case with every single vaccine that ever got into existance, explain to me how you are supposed to use something on the masses before it has been used on the masses?

>>12722672
>explain to me how you are supposed to use something on the masses before it has been used on the masses?
experimental trials, usually for decades before implementation.

>>12722785
>experimental trials,
Which were done
>usually for decades before implementation.
Lol u wut m8, I think you're confusing the fact that vaccines and side effects get monitored for decades after being implemented

>>12718425
>star wars reference
the absolute state

>>12721919
lol This

Over 20 million people have vaccinated.
Retards sperging out over a handful of people having an allergic reaction.

>>12719713
People have a right to be concerned about "progressive agendas"

t. Very cold Texan who ain't getting any warmer by big sky fans

>>12721226
occasionally

>>12721919
Disnegenupus post
Just because the "vaccine is gone" doesn't mean it hasn't altered your body
We still don't know what the long terms are and it's pretty manipulative to try and convince people there are none

>>12722160
I said mRNA nor vaccines in general, or vaccines back when it was an early science and not during this sort of dystopian era filled with all types of live science fiction

>>12714812
mRNA does not interact with DNA, silly. The only way Eukaryotic DNA is made is from a copy of the parent DNA strand. mRNA is a product of transcription of the DNA. the mRNA is used exclusively for producing proteins.

>>12724896
well hey if we didn't keep destabilizing the polar vortex, you and I wouldn't be feet deep in snow right now.

Do you remember your childhood? Do you remember it doing this crazy thing where it swaps back and forth between 60 degrees and 17 degrees every other week, with torrential rain between them? I sure don't.

The county schools had a few every year because backwoods, but the city school district had three (3) snow days in my entire K12, all of them were senior year of highschool, two of those back to back resulting in the most snow i'd ever seen at 4 inches. The university closing was unheard of. I've never built a snowman taller than two feet, and that was after rolling over and piling up and compacting all the fluff that was in the yard. Comedically pathetic looking things, same vibes as that charlie brown christmas tree. That's what a kentucky winter looks like. Every decade or so, a bad hailstorm in april that keeps all the roofing and auto glass guys in business.

But these last 6 winters have been increasingly abysmal, tshirt weather hot front for half a month, then a cold front smacks into it and drops half a foot of rain leaving everything a bitter sopping cold, then it ices over. Or if it was cold enough to snow and stick, we get several inches.
Honestly, the summers aren't much better. Its swimming in soup, then the soup becoming literal with flash floods, then back to 100% humidity scorchers.
The astute will realize this is the exact same weather pattern just affected by season. Exceptionally hot, cut with sudden massive coldfronts causing extreme precipitation, caused by airmasses that would normally have been stuck swirling amongst themselves all the way from santas workshop now as far as the gulf of mexico.

but of course no, instead the cry is "does this look like global warming to you"
to which the answer is yes, but "I don't need data or analysis or thinking, its obvious just look around you" seems to be the eternal rallying cry.

>>12724988
but then how could it turn you gay anon?

I'm not taking the vaccine.