/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12712589
get autism

>>12712589
Get molested as a kid and don't medicate your depression.

>>12712589
Observe your feelings and address them before you're affected by them and given an emotion.

>>12712589
Browse /b's gore threads and become desensitized

>>12712712
>Observe your feelings and address them before you're affected by them and given an emotion
How to determine which emotions to give them?

>>12712762
"I have a good feeling, I approve."
Feeling is a necessary and rational function.
"If I continue to have this good feeling, I am going to be given happiness."
It's quite easy to confront feelings at such a point to avoid affect. 'Happiness' is not a rational feeling, it is an irrational emotion.

As a more practical example: We can recognize when we're starting to feel pretty pissed off, and we can do something about it before we're given 'anger'.

>>12712589
Buddhism

>>12712619
This. You have to be born with it.

>>12712803
The capacity and ability to consistently do this is probably genetic.
>>12712912
The application of Buddhism depends on your genetics (given that you convert in the first place). A person more predisposed to be highly emotional will be more likely to pick a branch of Buddhism that accomodates this, whereas only an inborn autist will use Buddhism for the effect of not becoming too emotional.

Since Buddhism is likely to be false, if you're going to convert to anything it might as well be Vulcanism, whose precepts specifically regulate emotional expression.

>>12712589
go to sleep

>>12712971
I don't think this is a real solution, since people often have dreams that involve extreme emotions from elation, to terror, to extreme depression. In fact, you may be less able to monitor and control those emotions while in a dream.

>>12712967
anecdotal but i'm an emotional male (INFP on every test) and i went for the least emotional strain of buddhism

>>12713125
I wonder how well certain Myers-Briggs personalities actually predict emotionality by other metrics. Is the fact that you are consistently given an "F" meant to convey that you are emotional?

Maybe I'm totally wrong and it's the opposite (maybe emotional people who are cognizant of their emotionality are more likely to seek ideologies that suppress their emotions due to self-awareness), but it would be interesting to answer the question: can we consistently quantify ideologies based on how much emotional suppression is emphasized; and if so, what personality measurements predict the adoption of the ideology?

>>12713153
Here's something a little along these lines in the research literature, concerning how emotional expressiveness predicts ideology.

>>12713219
forgot link lmfao: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/John_Lapete/publication/323177316_In_your_face/links/5abcf670aca27222c754e0b6/In-your-face.pdf

>>12713153
>Is the fact that you are consistently given an "F" meant to convey that you are emotional?
No. Emotional regulation is beyond the purview of MBTI. The "F" metric merely measures whether you factor emotions into your reasoning. The T/F dichotomy is strictly about how you prefer to reason: objectively, casting emotions aside at the cost of breaking social peace, or subjectively, factoring in context to break universal reasoning. There's no better method of reasoning, merely preferences. Normies are predominantly F. But the emotions you speak of fall under neuroticism.

>>12712803
I understand the mechanism behind them, however, what do I do to change my emotions on topics?

>>12712589
Why would you want to? Life would be gray and extremely boring without emotions.

>>12713326
I don't care. I want to see life as it truly is, and want to avoid the lies of pleasure and pain.

how to turn emotion back on?
am open to drugs, lobotomy, or death

>>12713354
The problem comes when emotions package a lot of information that cannot immediately be put into a form that can easily be explicated. For instance, if your child is hanging out with people you find "suspicious" or "sketchy", it is likely that your emotions/intuitions are somewhat accurately modelling risk based on many factors that you don't analytically or logically understand fully yet.
Your brain and it's emotions may be hardwired to integrate physiognomy, clothing, and behavior into a reasonably accurate model of "suspiciousness" before you are able to actually justify why said people are suspicious. In these cases, you should probably default to your emotions, in the absence of which your frontal lobe would probably strip situations of too much context to be useful for making decisions.
People who fall for cults are often viewed and portrayed as more emotionally expressive than people who don't fall for cults. However, I suspect that people who fall for cults might actually be DEFICIENT in listening to emotions and internal red flags concerning skepticism, suspicion, even hatred of certain kinds of behavior that normal people listen to in order to avoid cults.

>>12713354
>I want to see life as it truly is
I don't see why emotions would conflict with this. But sounds like The Mind Illuminated would be something up your alley.

>>12713401
>However, I suspect that people who fall for cults might actually be DEFICIENT in listening to emotions and internal red flags concerning skepticism, suspicion, even hatred of certain kinds of behavior that normal people listen to in order to avoid cults.
That's why I want to get rid of them, my emotions are fucked up and I don't know which ones to respond to so I think it's pretty simple to deduce what is "bad" and "good' for me through pain stimulus.
>>12713478
Is that meditation?

>>12712589
instead of staring at the control panel wondering wat to do / how to control, just walk away like a motherfuckin cucumber

>>12712589
Autism/Schizoid/Extreme Introversion/Extreme Trauma

>>12712589
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Kolinahr

>>12712589
take SSRIs and you'll see how boring life is without emotions

>>12713793
>tfw tried 5 different types of SSRI and had to drop each one because after some months they started to make me feel physically worse

>>12713808
>escitalopram
literally 0 anxiety but i started overeating and i was 1000% more suicidal even when happy i can't believe i havent killed my self on it
>venlafaxine
couldn't sleep the first week i took it, and my heart was pounding out of my chest constantly, dropped it because it didn't work after a month
>fluoxetine
god tier for depression, life didn't seem too bad anymore but social anxiety was back even worse than before and i had 0 appetite on it
>sertraline
works pretty good and i settled for it, sometimes i forget i'm even on medication, no anxiety and no suicidal thoughts and i'm enjoying doing shit again and if i wanted to cry i can just cut the dose in half and get my emotions back

>>12713601
>Is that meditation?
Yes, it's a very comprehensive meditation guide.

Sam Harris' Waking Up meditation app teaches meditation. The Chimp Paradox is a book which teaches Cognitive Behavioural Theory. Both of these techniques will help you catch your feelings before they become engrained as pathological and harmful habits of thinking.

>>12712958
you can conditon yourself

>>12712589
What kind of emotions do you wanna turn off? Remorse for other people?

If yes then you can start by not taking care of yourself. So whenever you start to feel remorse for someone, you can just say to yourself "Why would I care for that person? I don't even care about myself".

>>12712619
>>12712625
This is me. Ive been compared to lurch from the Adams Family desu.

anime rots peoples personality pretty effectively

>>12712589
Philosophy of mind. You are greater than the sum of your parts.

>>12713125
I'm INFJ, Fe auxiliary function. I am not 'emotional', but I am deeply empathetic. Without that empathy I can't really give feelings or emotions any real significance. They are never of me, and not mine. I have no motivation beyond survival and concern, no drive towards personal satisfaction or success, only peace.
>>12713153
While generally considered 'woo' (because of ignorance), I find Human Design to be the a significant metric for this type of thing. I have an "undefined emotional center", meaning I do not have a way to generate and process emotional energies on my own. I also have an "undefined symbolic center", meaning I do not have a way to generate and process vital energies(basically 'sacred symbols' - such as the phallus) on my own. If I had either, then my 'authority' - or Dominant Function in MTBI - would be F or S. Driven by emotion, or a sense of 'uh-huh/nu-uh'.

I have a "defined splenic center", and since I lack the others(which would take priority), my authority is Ni - I listen to my body. The only natural way for me to make a correct (Or Jung might say 'heroic') decision is to be 'told' through intuition. While this is complex, anecdotal, woo, and all that, it seems my design type (which is the rarest at 9%~) and MBTI type(which is the rarest at 3%~) precisely reflect one another.
>>12713322
Rationally. Or maybe not at all, as I mentioned above. Some people have a defined way to feel emotions. But lacking that, we only work off the emotional energy we're being given, and avoiding situations/individuals/groups that would give us unwelcome emotions.

I'm from /x/, so pardon my deviation from the /sci/, but I find this stuff genuinely useful. *shrug*

>>12715546
Imagine taking MBTI seriously.

>>12712589
mindfullness meditation

it helps with anxiety and emotion control

read about it

They done tests on the military

Units that learned breath control mindfullness techniques had much lower rates of PTSD and stress in general

inb4 spiritual /x/ tier logic stuff - its literally mental hygiene - and deep breathing is actually a massage for the stomach muscles and nerves - that sends signals to your brain to chill the f out

>>12712589
Emotion is normally expressed or identified as neurons ready and willing to connect to an external stimulus. If that stimulus is constantly starved or abused the emotional state can become one that is unwanted by the brain because of past trauma.

Turning off emotion would essentially be the same as reducing your empathy to a given stimulus, which is useful to do so regularly unless you want to become the product of everyone's impulses and reactions.

Which is what my English is all about, except that it naturally amplifies the impact exponentially so that users and absorbers of it realize they are eternally trapped together in a positive feedback loop so may as well make the best of it!

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