/sci/ - Science & Math

No one researches anything and contradicting the hive is strongly frowned upon

>>12704240
>People are prepared to vaccinate for a virus they don't believe they can get

>>12704240
> Average perceived chance of dying ~10%
> 10% of America is diabetic
> 1/6th of Americans over 55%
> 1/3rd of Americans are obese

Seems about right to me

>>12704380

read the whole thing. it's for ages <39

>>12704240
In the far future when we look back on this period in history, this phenomena is what will intrigue/baffle scholars the most - much more than the virus itself

>>12704240
Now with biden everything is much better.
With trump as he was completely missmanaging everything millions were dieing, but it's all good when biden is in office.

>>12704391
it was already dropping before biden

>>12704391
>Biden
You mean the Xinese Puppet?

>>12704415
Better get used to have rice pattys pulled out your ass, burgerclap.
It won't become better anytime soon.

>>12704240
People don't into numbers.
Regular tasks don't have people thinking critically in number terms.
Do some tests and see what people's sense of a million is, a billion, a trillion.
They answer in terms of what sounds or feels right without critical analytical check of it is right.
If they did, the "average" person would realize how badly they are getting screwed financially, compared to the wealth around them.

as if "perceived chance" is any kind of reasonable measure. It's basically a statistic about people's gut feeling. Or do you want them to answer with the best known official statistic? Then whats the fucking point of asking for a perceived chance??

>>12704240
People are scared of death. Wow big news. It's perfectly normal to avoid anything that has any chance of causing you death at all.

>>12704438
Not if I have anything to say about
AND I DO
I’M GONNA SAY THE C-WORD

>>12704240
The media had a very good run in the last decade. They managed to sell that the best potus in recent memory is the worst. They also sold us on this pandemic to the point where we have willingly given up al our liberties.

It's not media, it's government and its enforcement. Leave only media, and all the lockdowns and masks will go away in a couple of weeks.

>>12704503

staying inside for months is many times more likely to cause death to a young person than corona

>>12704240
NOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN BOOMERINOS!!

>>12704548

i cri every time

>>12704503
do you avoid driving your car? because if your under 50 your chances of dying of corona are nearly the same as dying in a car crash.

>>12704548
But anon, a 3 year old tested positive for the coronavirus!

>>12704240
That's not the media's fault, it's the politics of ruining the education system. Otherwise people wouldn't be afraid of death, but of the long-term damage this shit causes and of exponential growth. No one understands exponential growth these days.

>>12704240
That's how media works. That and availability bias.

>>12704574
>and of exponential growth
That argument was already stale year ago.

https://m.dw.com/en/covid-more-cases-of-postviral-syndrome-in-uk-children/a-56523410
>number of children with postviral syndrome tripled
Oh no, we got too cocky, /pol/-bros.

>>12704584

hold on. doesn't the common cold kill many children each year?

>>12704581
No, it wasn't. You just didn't understand it back then, and still don't understand it now.

>>12704587
No.

>>12704587
>more than tripled

>>12704584
>>12704584
>>12704584

noooooo not the younglings

>>12704588
No, it just was a lie back then and is an obvious blatant lie now.

>>12704584
Wow! A minuscule number of... something tripled! I'll wear three masks in my bunker then.

>>12704598
>I don't understand exponential growth, therefore it doesn't exist
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#coronavirus-cases-linear

>>12704600
>only boomers die, fuck the lockdown, who cares about boomers
>only a few kids suffer, and their numbers only tripled, who cares about some kids

>>12704584
>sweden
>less than 10 children died with covid in total
If your country is doing so much worse, then praise the masks.

>>12704607

>collateral damage doesn't exist

>>12704607
> fuck the lockdown, who cares about boomers
Are these boomers going out, or not?
>only a few kids suffer,
Yes, an absolutely minuscule number. Tthree times nothing is still nothing.

Anyway, UK is big on masks and lockdowns, so praise them for your loss, I guess.

>>12704605
Anon... your graph is going down. Do you know what does the exponent mean?

>>12704608
>article about postviral syndrome
>B-but muh death rate!
Brainlet

>>12704610
If you read that out of my post you are IRL retarded.

>>12704614
>Yes, an absolutely minuscule number
>I don't care about kids suffering
>I don't care about adults suffering
>I don't care about elder suffering
>I only care about muh freedoooom
Thats how you sound.

>>12704620
I care, that's why I wear no mask and encourage others to do it. Masks cause suffering and maskers are enemies of kids, adults and elders.
>freedoooom
If you don't care about freedoooom, then never leave your house.

>>12704619
>exponential growth slows down when lockdowns are in place
Holy shit that disproves everything!

>>12704620
So you accept that covid does not kill? Wonderful, that's a great step forward.

>>12704626
Oh come on that troll has been stale for almost a year. Get better material. Also leave this board please. It's shitty enough even without you.

>>12704620
>B-but muh death rate!
Oh nonono, we got too cocky, covidbros.

>>12704631
You're a year late, buddy. Death rate wasn't relevant since March.

>>12704627
>there is no exponential growth
>look at this graph, it's exponential
>but it is not
>yeah, it isn't exponential! just like I say!
You know, pretending that you didn't say something year ago is one thing, but forgetting the content of your previous post is a special case of shamelessness.

>>12704642
>>look at this graph, it's exponential
>>but it is not
>>yeah, it isn't exponential! just like I say!
Are you retarded? I never said that.
>forgetting the content of your previous post
Delusional.

>>12704632
Yes, covidist lies were obvious even year ago. But since then they failed again, and again, and again.
>Also leave this board please.
No, I will protect the /sci/ence and fight the covidist sect.

Anyway, you probably should stay home forever. Freedoooom ain't freee, you know?

>>12704638
Of course. Covid is a seasonal cold with small death rate, that's what we told you back then. I'm happy that you are getting close to acceptance.

>>12704646
>>I don't understand exponential growth, therefore it doesn't exist
>https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#coronavirus-cases-linear
Idiot.

Remember that covidists hate children, adults and elderly so they want to put them in prison and force muzzles/injections on them. What a vile bunch of people.

>>12704584
That's what masks do with you.

>>12704620
Just ask them if they are taking the vaccine and see them twist over backwards to fearmonger over a nurse fainting.

>>12704584
>Children of African, Asian descent more affected
umm this is problematic

>>12704671
>if they are taking the vaccine
Why would we?

>>12704675
I don't know about you but I have a family.

>>12704385
Historians are familiar with the phenomena of mass hysteria.

>>12704677
2 shots per muation, 3 mutations per year and it is stated in multiple times we will ahve corona for 10 years which means 60 shots total.
WIth a 0.98% chance of a side effect and a 57% abortionrate.
Norways gov said it should not be used for people over 80 and dead sickly people.
That are the facts

>>12704677
Not forcing them to inject poison is good too.

>>12704683
>g-gays look at the numbers i just made up

>>12704688
Sounds like scary covid allright.

>>12704385
It's not mass hysteria, it's top-bottom government campaign.

A reminder that you can find a plenty of shops which demand no masks, so you don't lose anything. Actually there are also shops which demand mask at first, but then drop it after a bit of banter. So you can use them to train your negotiation skills.

>>12704688
>>12704691
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting
there you go couldn't finde teh study tho so be happy with a gov article

>>12704489
That's true.
>WASHINGTON, D.C. -- U.S. adults estimate that nearly one in four Americans (23.6%) are gay or lesbian. Gallup has previously found that Americans have greatly overestimated the U.S. gay population, recording similar average estimates of 24.6% in 2011 and 23.2% in 2015. In each of the three polls in which Gallup has asked this question, a majority of Americans estimated this population to be 20% or greater.
Most LGBT organizations, which have a motive for inflating their population, estimate the actual percentage to be between 4% and 5%. When I was a teen in the 90s, 2% was the commonly accepted estimate.

>>12704530
Funny that the media and journalists both appear on the list of careers that attract the most psychopaths.

>>12704702
Wow, would you look at that. Safer than covid-19.

Let's say that government didn't pull any shit it did in the last year and just heavily recommended to minimize your contacts. Then I'd have no reason to hate it. But even then injecting the half-year old vaccine would be a significant risk which I could possibly do only to show my support for the government. Needless to say, I have zero respect for them now.

>>12704707
>Safer than covid-19.
If you don't inject it, of course.

>>12704715
What?

>>12704707
the risk group of covid is not included. Its safer if you are older than 45 if not than its more dangerous

>>12704717
If I don't inject the vaccine, it is (usually) safe for me.

>>12704240
>getting or dying
Nearly 10% of the US has caught covid so it isn't like they are miles off.

>>12704720

please leave

>>12704707
But if you are pregnant please get a vac so your idiotism doesn't spread

>>12704718
>the risk group of covid is not included
Literally the people getting vaccinated.
>Its safer if you are older than 45 if not than its more dangerous
How is it more dangerous?

>>12704722
328.2M population / 27.6M cases = 8.4%
You have a problem with that or is your issue that I actually read OPs pic and saw it included just catching covid.

>>12704649
>covidist lies
Nobody claimed the virus had a high death rate, that's your delusions.
>they failed again, and again, and again.
In your mind. Maybe.
>No, I will protect the /sci/ence and fight the covidist sect.
You misspelled "trolling".
>Anyway, you probably should stay home forever.
Meaningless.

>>12704654
>Covid is a seasonal cold
Wrong.
>that's what we told you back then.
>we
Back to >>>/pol/ with you, hivemind nonthinker.
>I'm happy that you are getting close to acceptance.
Accept what? Everybody was aware the death rate was low since March. You keep bringing this up because you have zero arguments. Boring.

>>12704667
Kids don't wear masks.

>>12704656
Cool argument. Totally convinced me.

Wait... are you implying that's not exponential because it says 'linear' in the URL? Please tell me I'm wrong about that.

>>12704704
>US-citizens think 1 in 4 of their peers is gay
lmao, did they ask 4channel? That would literally mean the probability of at least one of their neighbors being gay is over 90%.

>>12704707
This.

>>12704776
>Wrong.
Correct.
>Back to >>>/pol/ with you, hivemind nonthinker.
If a lot of people tell you that you are retarded, it's your fault.
>Everybody was aware the death rate was low since March.
That's "i shat myself on purpose" type of argument.

>>12704782
No, I'm implying that it is not exponential because the graph isn't exponential, you dummy.

>>12704798
>If a lot of people tell you that you are retarded, it's your fault.
No. Also you're alone.
>That's "i shat myself on purpose" type of argument.
No. I don't even see how that could possibly make any sense. Are you just choosing random pseudo-rebuttals from a precompiled list?

>>12704776
>Nobody claimed the virus had a high death rate, that's your delusions.
Correct, virus is a nothingburger and it was completely clear year ago.
>In your mind. Maybe.
Both in my mind and in reality.
>You misspelled "trolling".
If it makes you mad, sure. Doesn't mean it is not true.
>Meaningless.
Why? You can't catch or pass covid if you don't go out. If you think that covid kills and still go out, you are a suicide-murderer.

>>12704805
>No. Also you're alone.
No, you covidists are hated by everyone.
> I don't even see how that could possibly make any sense.
That's your fault, isn't it? But I'm happy that you conceded. We are having some progress after all.

>>12704800
That's even worse then.
>what is the Rt value?

>>12704240
you can change those odds by simply adding a question of "long-term harm", and change those odds even further by asking about short term harm

>>12704807
>Correct
Thanks!
>virus is a nothingburger
Wrong.
>Both in my mind and in reality.
Nah.
>Why?
It's irrelevant to the discussion. Just your lame attempt at trolling. Didn't expect you to follow a simple train of thought though, so I'm only mildly disappointed.

>>12704809
>No, you covidists are hated by everyone.
What makes you think I'm a "covidist"? Sounds like you're projecting hard.
>That's your fault, isn't it?
No, random garblings don't mean the receiver of that statement is at fault for the lack of information content.

>>12704814
Yes, too bad that your exponent argument failed. Let's wait until you will claim that you never prophesied the exponent, just like you did with deaths.

Trump lost.

>>12704818
>Thanks!
Yes, thanks for your concession.
>Wrong.
We just proved it, you silly thing.
>Nah.
Meanwhile your mind is detached from the reality.
>It's irrelevant to the discussion. Just your lame attempt at trolling. Didn't expect you to follow a simple train of thought though, so I'm only mildly disappointed.
Now that's incredible. So we have a covidist who preaches the dangers of covid yet doesn't even practice what he preaches.

>muh media
People are naturally retarded

>>12704821
>still not knowing what the Rt value is
Anon, stop, I already know you're completely immune to learning.

>>12704818
>What makes you think I'm a "covidist"?
Oh, you are against lockdowns, masks and all the other covidism stuff? Good, the acceptance is transforming into enlightenment.
>No, random garblings don't mean the receiver of that statement is at fault for the lack of information content.
Here we even have some self-criticism. True enlightenment.

>>12704825
>We just proved it
No, not at all. You just "proved" the almost completely irrelevant death rate was low. Doesn't mean the virus doesn't cause other harm. Get some basic reasoning skills, please.
>Meanwhile your mind is detached from the reality.
See above. Sorry to break it to you, but it's you.
>So we have a covidist
What makes you think I'm a "covidist"? What is a "covidist"?
>yet doesn't even practice what he preaches.
What makes you think so? I've never mentioned any of my habits.
>Meanwhile your mind is detached from the reality.
Seems like you're dreaming up, see above.

>>12704828
Sorry, anon, it's you who does not what Rt is, what exponent is and a lot of other things. Here, I'll help:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_function

>>12704830
>you are against lockdowns, masks and all the other covidism stuff?
>you're either 100% one or the other
Anon, please. You tickle my funny bone.
>Here we even have some self-criticism. True enlightenment.
Did you realize all the time you spent with me you couldn't use to troll someone else?

>>12704833
>he almost completely irrelevant death rate
Correct, anon! Nothingburger death rate is irrelevant!
>doesn't cause other harm
Even less relevant.
>See above. Sorry to break it to you, but it's you.
No, my covidist friend, it's you. But at least you are achieving some enlightenment bit-by-bit.
>What makes you think I'm a "covidist"? What is a "covidist"?
Your posts. You.
>What makes you think so? I've never mentioned any of my habits.
Ah, so you run around without mask every day? Anon, that's incredible! The enlightenment is progressing so fast.
>Seems like you're dreaming up, see above.
No, (you) see above.

>>12704839
>Anon, please. You tickle my funny bone.
Now, now. Share with us the degree of your progress. Are you ditching masks now? Are you accepting that lockdown is balooney? Maybe you will now ditch social distancing?
>Did you realize all the time you spent with me you couldn't use to troll someone else?
Since I moved you to the truth so much, I feel extremely fulfilled.

Aaah this covid sounds scary, and so are needles, isn't there a radiologist, podiatrist or other tertiary medical practitioner than can soothe my feelings and reassure me that covid can be fixed by ignoring it or selling me a subscription for a herbal remedy that'll totally protect me from covid, hair loss and tiger attacks?

>>12704415
As opposed to Putins puppet? You do realize the sudden hate for China is the same as MUH RUSSIA right?
I'm not saying China is good, in fact far from it, but you gotta realize you're acting like an NPC too.

>>12704677
So?
Do you actually think the vaccine will stop you from spreading it? Are you actually this retarded?

>>12704869
thanks, kremlinbot

>>12704736
>I actually read OPs pic
Anon, there's 2 lines.
One for chance of catching and one for chance of dying.
Are you genuinely proud of misreading the graph?

What I especially love is how teacher’s unions have succeeded in getting schools closed for 11 months in a lot of places, even though the flu is objectively more dangerous to kids.

>>12704240
They excel at fear-mongering, and nothing else.

Americans are so fucking retarded

>>12704607
3 times zero is zero.
3 times essentially zero is essentially zero.

>>12704620
Economic damage causes long term suffering. You're just focusing on the short term, but you have to appreciate delayed gratification.

>>12704837
Anon, don't be a dumb shit:
>R is the number of people that one infected person will pass on a virus to, on average
Literally what google says directly.

>>12704987
>100 kids in the UK alone is nothing
Funny how easily your mask came off.

>>12704993
>You're just focusing on the short term,
>long-term damage is short-term
What?

>>12704385
unless covid is acknowledged to be the globalist hoax that it is, and quickly, the only kind of "scholars" that will be allowed to write the history are the ones who are currently writing the present

>>12704706
there are literally no consequences for anything you do as a journalist. it is a jew's wet dream

>>12705010
Sure, so if you have R more than 1, you have the number of infected constantly growing in exponential fashion. But they, as you can see in the graph, are not growing in exponential fashion.

>>12704391
Yes. President Biden is handling this wonderfully and soon the Trump virus will be a part of history. It’s not so hard when you just believe in the science. Drumpflets will never learn. Fauci is the highest paid government official in the nation. Do you really think you know better than the best doctor in our entire country? This is why it’s dangerous to do your own research:
https://concepts.effectivealtruism.org/concepts/information-hazards/
Just trust the experts and wear the fucking mask. You aren’t being cute or smart when you endanger peoples’ lives. And no, sweetie, nobody cares about your “rights”, not when people of color are getting gunned down like dogs by racist cops just for being claustrophobic.

>>12705016
Yes, people sometimes get sick.

>>12705105
This but unironically

>>12705111
Wew lad
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5aISPlTLbJo

>>12704240
Is it "getting covid in a month" or "getting covid in your life"? Because if it's second, then everyone will eventually get covid.

>>12704240
Brains are bad at statistics and overestimate low likelihoods and underestimate high likelihoods. I don't think the media invented cognitive biases.

>>12705114
Nice appeal to authority from a guy who has honed his brain with illegal drugs.

>>12705016
100 kids in a country of 66 million. It's peanuts.
Anyway, yes these people might have long term damage, but I'm talking about the damage to society at large. The economic and educational damage will stay with all of us for years and years, whereas the benefits are short term, saving a few sickies and oldies from a slightly early death. To be honest, we'd be better off without them, and anything that brings the population down can only be good as far as the environment is concerned, especially if those people aren't contributing to society.

>>12705134
I bet you contribute a lot more, anon.

>>12705119
you can't prove that. Looks like you are the blue line. How does it feel being a statistic? I guess it won't matter once the big bad covid comes and gobbles up your family.

>>12704671
>taking an experimental vaccine that doesn't even give you immunity
I've gotten every vaccine in my life and even I think this is stupid. But retards like you will still foam at the mouth because "LMAO we showed drumpf supporters XD". If it was as effective as the measles vaccine then I would take it faggot..

>>12705179
My entire family had covid and none of us died. Didn't even have and long term side effects either. I never get the flu vaccine and I won't be getting covid vaccine either since I didn't die from the actual sickness.

>If it was as effective as the measles vaccine then I would take it faggot..
It is.

>>12705306
Pfizer and Moderna literally are as effective as mmr lmao.

>>12704240
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-travel-lunar-newyear/china-new-year-travel-slumps-amid-coronavirus-curbs-idUSKBN2AC0OW
But it's a Chinese hoax....why are they falling for it?

>>12705393
Right-wing brainlets be like
>the virus is a catastrophic Chinese bio-weapon that has crippled the world and at the same time a nothingburger hoax peddled by libtards

do you think future scientists will wonder how a common cold virus crippled the world economy in 2020 and 2021?

>>12705407
I mean its wiped out the vast majority of people over 70, its probably such a big deal because the worlds politicians are all around that age and they all cared about their own safety than the lively hoods of others.

We already know now what has caused the calamity, there will be zero doubts for future scientists.

>>12704548
You like my new shirt?

I legit want Coronavirus to wipe out the ageing population but it's not gonna happen

The virus isn't deadly even for old people

>>12704776
>nobody claimed
>in your mind
>Everybody knew
>you keep x
>you're the only one
>literally nobody thinks that
Back plebbit, faggot. Your rhetoric stinks of faggotry.

>>12705414
>I mean its wiped out the vast majority of people over 70
[citation needed]

>>12704776
Are you a fucking women? What kind of retarded rhetoric is that? It's all based on social derogation, identifying an in-group (your group), and out-group (other person), and suggesting literally everyone is in your in-group and that your opponent is literally the only on in the out-group (social ostracization). That's not how logic works, but it is how women tend to think logic works. Dumb cunt.

>>12705324
According to whom?

>>12705104
>as you can see in the graph, are not growing in exponential fashion
Anon, you're either blind or trolling. Likely the latter. Feel free to change the scale to logarithmic to see a line, Anon.

>>12705476
Where's the data so that I can download it and change the scale to logarithm? I'll happily do it myself to shut you up and prove that you're just talking out of your ass.

>>12705476
Anon... it is dropping now.

>>12704380
Chance of dying from covid for under 40 is 0.0005% or so. Out of 484K deaths in the US, the under 40 crowd is only 300 or so.

>>12705134
>100 kids
Per week, you illiterate retard.
>It's peanuts.
No.
>The economic and educational damage will stay with all of us for years and years, whereas the benefits are short term, saving a few sickies and oldies from a slightly early death
That completely contradicts
>yes these people might have long term damage
Long-term damage includes permanent damage. Then there's also exponential growth which can overload hospitals and cause further suffering.

>>12705435
>I have no argument
Anon, that was already obvious to me.

>>12705448
>It's all based on social derogation, identifying an in-group (your group), and out-group (other person), and suggesting literally everyone is in your in-group and that your opponent is literally the only on in the out-group (social ostracization).
Translation: you learned a new word and tried to use it in this situation, where it does not apply. I haven't done what you accuse me of. You're either schizoid, trolling, or plain incapable of basic reading comprehension. Likely a bit of everything.

>>12705480
Anon, are you completely retarded? There is a button literally on top of the graph, here, I'll press it for you:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#coronavirus-cases-log

>>12705541
>now
Yes, thanks to the "lockdowns". Doesn't mean it wasn't exponential before, as shown by an R > 1.

>>12705620
>100 kids Per week, you illiterate retard.
In the Netherlands there's 3 registered deaths in interval 0-18 year olds.
With a population of 17.5 million people that translates to 56 deaths for same age group in the entire US, assuming similar infection rates and mortality. Not per week. In total.

So pretending 100 kids die per week is way past dishonest, it's a huge and obvious lie, and everything else you say is also bullshit by association due to this total neglect of factual data. Go die in a fire doomer.

>>12705674
Maybe you should consider reading the posts because nowhere did it say 100 deaths a week.

>>12705684

>>12705696
Because he's not talking about deaths you fool. See >>12704584

My God these threads are retarded.

>>12705640
>>12705640
Here, I added a black line indicating a full year's worth of cases. The total cases went up by not even one decade in one year. So, I'll be generous and say within one year, we went from 1 million to 10 million. Then the "exponential" growth would be

[math] N = N_0 e^(Rt) [/math]

where R is the rate of growth. Some trivial calculation shows that

[math] R = \frac{1}{t} \log N/N_0 \approx 0.0063 /day [/math]

This suggests a doubling time of about 110 days. Wow, super scary. I'll leave it to you to figure out what the reproductive rate is from these data.

Also, the plot isn't exponential, rather it's linear.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+log%28x%29+from+1+to+1000

>>12705129
>my appeal to authority is better than your appeal to authority

>>12705640
>Yes, thanks to the "lockdowns".
Sure, and I prevented the Sun exploding by praying to Zeus. Coincidentally that also stopped covid cases increasing in strict lockdown, lax lockdown and no lockdown countries. Post hoc is a terrible power.

>>12705684
Sure, because covid turned out to be a real nothingburger which causes almost no death in younger people. So now you are forced to switch to other imaginary scenarios.

Just wait until all the Covid variants have a chance to recombine and exchange mutations. That's when the real lethality will begin to roll out.

>>12705640
>Yes, thanks to the "lockdowns".
These lockdowns are truly powerful: they are dropping the cases even in countries and states with no lockdown.
>Doesn't mean it wasn't exponential before
If you make one shitpost, then two shitposts and then four shitposts, it is exponential but you will not start making billions of shitpost in a month.

>>12704607
>the children worst affected by MIS-C in the UK, about 75% were "black, Asian or ethnic minority (BAME)."
I dunno, seems pretty based to me.

>>12705796
What if they will evolve sexual reproduction? A new evolutionary step for viruses.

>>12705476
>this linear graph isn't exponential
>let's turn it into logarithmic mode
>now it looks a bit like line
>so we can approximate it with a line
>so now it must be exponential in linear mode
Is it a new episode of Troll Science?

>>12705812
No no no, viruses have a tendency to mix DNA when multiplying in your own cells you retard. It's called recombination, and COVID has already spread mutations across strains due to it.

>>12704240
Could you kindly provide a source

>>12704240
mass censorship, controlling all echo chambers and weaponizing the vulnerable, low IQ left. Its pretty obvious at this point what is going on even to lower level people.

The left though... they have suffered from some amazing mental disassociate mental conditioning from which there may be no return. Shit is serious, they don't use use it because it doesn't work.

Who cares about the miniscule death numbers. It's the fucking brain damage that scares me.

>>12705871
4chan is scary indeed.

>>12705871

the vaccine only protects from symptoms but not infection. so you should stay scared for the next few years or decades

>>12705874
Brain damage isn't a symptom?

>>12705876

asymptotic covid causes brain damage too

>>12705878
>asymptotic
...asymptomatic

>>12705878
>asymptotic

>>>/math/

>>12705874
Probably multiple decades. We're essentially playing cat and mouse with the virus right now, we vaccine, it evolves, we vaccinate, it evolves, much like the flu. The difference is that most spread of COVID happens after the symptomatic phase, which is concerning.

>>12705878
Asymptomatic brain damage.

>>12705883
>The difference is that most spread of COVID happens after the symptomatic phase
Isn't that good? Gives you ample time to quarantine yourself.

>Asymptomatic = no symptoms
>Except here's your brain damage bro

I'm sorry but this shit has never and will never make sense to me

>>12705887
No, it's not good.
>Flu becomes extremely deadly
>Flu infects a man
>man dies relatively early without infecting anyone

>Covid becomes extremely deadly
>Covid infects man
>man spreads Covid to the rest of his office, his family and friends
>man dies

>>12705883
>>12705887
>>12705891
Wait, I mean't to type "before" not "after"

>>12705889
Asymptomatic->Presymptomatic->Symptomatic

>>12705847
https://covid19pulse.usc.edu/

>>12705898
>ass-symptomatic
>press-symptomatic
>simp-tomatic

>>12705898
The effects of the brain damage are symptoms, then, no?
How would you discover it if you didn't feel the infection?

>>12705952
If you don't use your brain, you can't notice that it was harmed.

>>12705674
>deaths
>So pretending 100 kids die per week
Learn to read. Nobody did that.

>>12705717
>it isn't exponential because
>it's exponential you see?
What are you even trying to say? You said it's clearly not exponential and you'd BTFO me? I was sure you'd deliver.
>Also, the plot isn't exponential, rather it's linear.
In the logarithmic scale, it's affine. That means it's exponential in a linear scale.

>>12705787
>everything is complete coincidence when I don't like it

>>12705806
>they are dropping the cases even in countries and states with no lockdown.
Yes, everybody profits from them. Less traveling means fewer spread.
>If you make one shitpost, then two shitposts and then four shitposts, it is exponential but you will not start making billions of shitpost in a month.
Anon, I knew you don't understand exponential growth. It's okay, not everybody is educated. I just think this is the wrong board for you.

>>12705828
>what are logarithms?
This is a science and math board. Please learn at least the basics.
[math] y = \exp(R t + c) [/math]
[math] \log(y) = \log\exp(R t + c) = ?? [/math]

>>12705999
That's some cute formulas you have here, alas, they are unrelated to the graphs in question.

>>12705889
What have you tried?

>>12705984
>>everything is complete coincidence when I don't like it
The fact that no-lockdown countries and states got their cases going down shows that no lockdowns bring them down.

>>12705984
>Less traveling means fewer spread.
Wonderful, then you lockdown and I'll get healthy from that.
>Anon, I knew you don't understand exponential growth.
Yes, anon, exponential growth is a wonderful thing. Sadly it does not fit the growth we are discussing. It's always such a pity when your practice does not fit the simplest model you created.

>>12706020
They are related to your ridiculous claim that lines in logarithmic plots aren't exponential in linear plots.
They're also related to the graph though. You even admit so here >>12705717
>doubling time
Although you then continue to call a highly nonlinear plot "linear". So I understand how you don't trust your own posts.

>>12705984
>In the logarithmic scale, it's affine. That means it's exponential in a linear scale.
Which is clearly false: it is not exponential in a linear scale (which you can check if you open that scale).

>>12704503
>People are scared of death
>People
you mean 85 year old boomers way past their expiration date?

>>12706030
>Sadly it does not fit the growth we are discussing
Oh it does. You don't think only functions of the basic form y = e^x are exponential, right? Real models are much more complicated. But the only thing that matters here is the R-value which implies exponential growth trivially.
You'd be much less pathetic if you admitted your initial mistake of saying it wasn't exponential instead of trying to divert from that fact now.
>>12706023
>no-lockdown countries and states got their cases going down shows that no lockdowns bring them down.
Oh u. I'd say nice try, but no.

>>12706033
No, anon, logarithmic lines are indeed exponential in linear scales. Sadly the graph we are discussing is not exponential in linear scale and, by a pure coincidence it is not linear in logarithmic scale.

>>12706036
See >>12705717 and compare to >>12704605, you're bad at lying.

>>12706046
See above.

Every time the R-value becomes larger than 1, the graph is exponential. Easy as that.

>>12706044
>Real models are much more complicated.
Yes, they are. For example, they may be non-exponential, just like we have here.
>But the only thing that matters here is the R-value which implies exponential growth trivially.
And since the number of cases stagnates or even goes down, that value does not describe the process in question accurately.

>>12706049
>See >>12705717
Sadly the black line does not describe the actual growth. The blue line does it. I'll give you a hint: if you will draw the black line from zero, it will become even more sinister.
>Every time the R-value becomes larger than 1, the graph is exponential.
And since the graph isn't exponential, that R isn't larger than 1.

>>12706044
>Oh u. I'd say nice try, but no.
Indeed, "Zeus saves the sun" and "lockdowns destroy covid" are both bizarre claims. Except that the second is actually proven false.

>>12706051
>And since the number of cases stagnates or even goes down, that value does not describe the process in question accurately.
Anon, I never said the full graph is an exponential function. I said every time R>1 there's exponential growth.

>>12706063
> if you will draw the black line from zero
You don't. It's not linear, it's affine. And again, I never said the blue graph should be a single line. See above.

You have serious reading comprehension problems, friend.

>>12706074
>"lockdowns destroy covid" are both bizarre claims.
Thank God I never said either.

>>12706063
>Sadly the black line does not describe the actual growth. The blue line does it. I'll give you a hint: if you will draw the black line from zero, it will become even more sinister.

>>12706086
Kek.

>>12704869
Or, you know, maybe we could elect someone who isn’t owned by another countries dictators?

>80% of the population can't do the most basic thinking about a novel virus without handholding
>OMG IT'S DA GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA GUYZ!

>>12706085
You can also fit parts of graph with parabolas, sinusoidal curves and self-referential formulas. Does not mean that they will predict anything.

>>12706086
Made me sneedle. Formerly chuck.

>>12706085
>Thank God I never said either.
Sure, because lockdowns do shit.

>>12706102
>they will predict anything.
Nobody's talking about prediction, Anon. You need to let go.

>You can also fit parts of graph with parabolas, sinusoidal curves and self-referential formulas
Please do, I'd love to see that.

>>12706108
They slow the spread, as is clearly visible and measurable.

>>12706124
>>You can also fit parts of graph with parabolas, sinusoidal curves and self-referential formulas
>Please do, I'd love to see that.

>>12706138
That's good work! Now that was in the logarithmic scale. What does the parabola become in the linear scale?
[math] \log(y) = x^2 + c [/math]
[math] y = ?? [/math]

>>12706124
That's why cases go down both in New York and Florida (but New York still has twice as much cumulative deaths)?

>>12706138
Gotta uncovid myself.

>>12706138
>total cases
>total
>can go down
Oy vey.

>>12706147
That's a concave parabola, not a convex parabola, Anon.

log(y) = -x^2 + c.

Congratulations, you just meme'd yourself into thinking cases are exponentially decaying.

>>12706172
It means you are indebted to get covid.

>>12706172
Better make total deaths go down.

>>12706174
>it's not exponential because the exponent isn't positive
Nah, you. That was really embarrassing.

Let's assume what you scribbled there was a parabola. That would mean the graph shows quadratic growth in a timescale of... two weeks? Seems like exponential growth models the data a lot better. But I'm sure you can come up with a better curve. Why not try

[math] y = a + bx + cx^2 + dx^3 + \cdots [/math]

up to a reeeally high order?

>>12706178
Short squeeze covid. Gotta HODL!

>>12706189
Everything will seem like exponential growth if you abuse Taylor's Theorem.
>f(x) = a + bx + cx^2 + ...
>it sums to exponential!
>all polynomials are exponential
You should get field medal for that finding.

>>12706194
>You should get field medal for that finding.
Thanks, but if you're in the jury, I'd refuse. I would never accept a prize from a jury that cannot comprehend my beautiful theorems.
>>all polynomials are exponential
Are you the schizo from before who claimed I said things that I never said?
But hey, I'm proud of you for recognizing Taylor series.
>Everything will seem like exponential growth if you abuse Taylor's Theorem.
So you agree with me that exponential growth fits the data better than lines and parabola. Gotcha.

>>12706138
>>12706174
>pics
You trolls were much better last year. Seek a different job. This is pathetic.

>>12706189
>>12706227
Hey, genius, can you explain why exponential model is WORSE than a linear fit?
>https://covidtracking.com/data/national

>>12706211
See
>>12706246
>So you agree with me that exponential growth fits the data better than lines and parabola.
Unfortunately, the data does not agree. So, where are you getting this claim that exponential fits the data so well?

>>12704240
What percent of respondents in that survey can accurately describe what it means for there to be a 10% chance of something happening?

>>12706253

it's right in the name retard

PER CENT

Here's a better chart. You all can feel free to replicate the data.
>>https://covidtracking.com/data/national

Let's contrast this with some of brainlets comments.
> exponential growth fits the data better than lines and parabola.
> exponential growth fits the data better than lines and parabola.
> exponential growth fits the data better than lines and parabola.

>>12705559
is everyone under 40?
you fucking idiot

>>12706336
Everyone who matters is under 40. Consider the following: if everyone under 40 spontaneously and instantly died, how fucked is society? In contrast, if everyone over 40 spontaneously and instantly died, how fucked is society?

>>12704704
yes, there are examples of this all over the place. another very common example is to ask people how they think wealth is distributed versus how it is actually distributed.

Why not just isolate obese and old people, dont lock-down the entire country?

Seriously, I have never heard a proper answer to this.

Second point.
Some countries, such as New Zealand, seem to have managed to become Covid free, no new cases, or only a few cases which are quickly isolated. But realistically, no place on Earth can expect to remain isolated forever. So the moment they open up their borders again are they just going to get zerg rushed by the new variants of CV19?

>>12706449
>Seriously, I have never heard a proper answer to this.

Because there is no good argument against it. People go on about long covid and other hysterics whenever someone suggests this.

The young generation is actively punished for no reason, the political leaders want us dead. That is the take-home message the elderly are giving the young.

>Some countries, such as New Zealand, seem to have managed to become Covid free, no new cases
Uhm, they had 4 new cases just yesterday and now they're in for the lockdown circus. Also pay attention to the fact that they are now at the end of their summer, so their seasonal honey moons are ending.
If they still have zero cases in 4 months they might be on to something but I think it's more likely that they have 4000 cases and rising in 4 months.

>>12706344
Congratulations, you just described the demographics of the average sub Saharan African nation. Hop on a plane to Uganda to receive your prize.

>>12706725
Yo, Ugandans are based. They don't eat poo poo.

>>12706449
>Seriously, I have never heard a proper answer to this.
The entire US is obese, so it's equivalent to locking down the whole country.

>>12706336
Everyone under 40 is under quarantine. Media has told them they will die if they get covid. When that's literally fake news.

>>12706803
Ok, so kill another black man. That's what permits the public to move freely without covid restrictions. The last one granted free movement for months, which is a pretty good return on investment for someone who was going to die relatively soon anyway.

>>12706490
To be fair, in NZ would could have EASILY stayed covid free, but our braindead leaders never thought to test passengers before they get on the plane to come here. Instead, they test them after. Which just seems retarded, but what do I know?

>>12704869
>As opposed to Putins puppet?

Very low IQ take. Nowhere was there even a remote connection. They just went after Trump for suggesting anything but outright belligerence in relation to Russia.

>>12707037
Pre-clearance customs does exist but seems like it would be difficult to handle the logistics of pre-testing passengers in a way that they wouldn't be potentially exposed after being swabbed, at which point you'd be back where you started from.

>>12707093
Part of me wonders why we haven't seriously invested in a proper solution for this. Governments are basically printing money at this point to pay for people out of work, so why not fund something like a pop-up hospital at every airport where people are internationally arriving/departing? Travelers enter facility (which is rigorously managed so no one comes or goes unchecked), have their swab, and wait in quarantined space for result. This would be done both before and after departure/arrival.

It just seems silly to me that we force society to lockdown and enforce pretty hardcore measures, but then when it comes to BORDERS, which is literally how the virus gets in and out of countries, we seem so fucking relaxed or at the very least totally under resourced. They want the public to take the virus incredibly seriously, but it just doesn't seem like the higher ups and uniformed officials are really taking it as seriously as they could be.

>>12707380
It wouldn't catch everyone. Much like the vaccine, it is a half-assed effort that doesn't do anything but send tax dollars to big business.

>>12704240
all the worlds a stage

>>12706246
>>12706250
You must be braindead. I can repeat it a fifth time for you:
I never said a single curve fits the whole graph, I said there is exponential growth whenever R>1. Also, see >>12705717, where you already BTFO yourself by showing an exponential fit works great for a large portion of the graph.

>>12704240
addicted to tv. simple as.
https://odysee.com/@Realfake_Newsource:9/RFNS-003-006:f

>>12707483
QQ moar fgt

>>12707529
>I was proven wrong and am now mad
Sorry bro, such is life.

>>12707535

>>12707542
>liberals
lol, he's getting out the /pol/ now. Really pathetic. You should have stopped when you BTFO'd yourself yesterday.

>>12707763
>Really pathetic. You should have stopped when you BTFO'd yourself yesterday.
Nice projections there liberal.

>>12707769
>everyone who calls out my bullshit is a liberal
>>>/pol/
Also:
*Nice projection there, liberal.

>>12704584
In my country obesity rates in children tripled during lockdown and their motor fucntions degenerated. But sure 1 in million having a trouble with mild flu is more important

>>12707822
>1 in million having a trouble with mild flu
>postviral syndrome is mild flu
100 children per week is 1 in million
Retard.

>>12707831
Didnt even read your bong article, in my country it was complete non issue. Maybe try having less obese niglets and pakis next time?

>>12707846
>in my country it was complete non issue.
Who the hell cares about your shithole country though? The point is that the number of children suffering PER WEEK tripled.

>niglets and pakis
>>>/pol/
You're not welcome here

>>12707947
>You're not welcome here

>everyone criticizing me is a cock-garbling leftist
Back to >>>/pol/ with (you).

>>12704240
.gg/xFbgVnvcjp

>>12707943
>who cares about your shithole country?
>you should care about the little subhumans in mine instead
It gives me immense pleasure seeing suffering bongs and whatever dregs you imported from your dead empire

>>12707948
>Upvote
Just use proper fucking language dude, that simple.

>>12706344
>Everyone who matters is under 40. Consider the following: if everyone under 40 spontaneously and instantly died, how fucked is society? In contrast, if everyone over 40 spontaneously and instantly died, how fucked is society?
Literally the same overall fucked if I'm being honest
Anyone important is over 40
All the toilet cleaners and mndonalds workers are under 40
All the liberals are under 40
all the republicans are over 40

>>12704385
>implying propaganda is a novel phenomenon
>implying the current system won't keep up the narrative for the next few hundred years

>>12704607
>guys omg would you please think of the kids?
>haha it's not like lockdowns increase child abuse or anything

>>12704869
Americans need a boogieman. It's a part of the "exceptionalism" myth.

>>12706764
Only 2 to 3% of infected require hospitalization, and age is a better predictor of risk than obesity

>>12704240
CORONAHOAX

>>12704385
It will be buried if you haven't realize they looking for a full authoritarian police state with bio security check ups purging information it doesnt follow their propaganda and putting down dissenters

>>12710584
>day thing A
>haha lol at this idiot, that means he's in favor of thing B!!1
Can't understate how retarded you are.

I live in one of the most populous cities in America and I have never consciously followed lockdown rules except for wearing a mask sometimes (very poorly)

AMA

>>12711685
Why are you trolling outside of >>>/b/?

>>12711680
What are you arguing against then? Your original post made fun of people critical of lockdown, so it's not retarded to assume that you are in favor of lockdowns.

>>12706344
>if everyone under 40 spontaneously and instantly died, how fucked is society? In contrast, if everyone over 40 spontaneously and instantly died, how fucked is society?
Totally in both cases.

>>12707943
>The point is that the number of children suffering PER WEEK tripled.
No, a small number of children getting a non-dangerous disease tripled.

>>12712702
>Your original post made fun of people critical of lockdown
No, it didn't.
>so it's not retarded to assume that you are in favor of lockdowns
It's retarded to attack strawmen.

>>12713237
>muh nothingburger
Of course. That's all you got, eh?

>>12713378
>Of course. That's all you got, eh?
Yes, that's all we got from covid in 2020-21. Now the measures "against covid" were not nothingburger at all.

>>12705092
Meds

>>12704240
>average perceived chance of dying to a flue was at one point 30%.
That's equal to the fucking black death. L m f a o this entire world planet of earth land is done. Christ people are genuinely retarded.

>>12704607
>who cares about some kids
Yes. Don't pretend to care about people that are the exception of the exception. If you really cared, you would be donating to a thousand of different rare disease research foundations, but you are not. Deep inside you don't give a fuck, because it is statistically irrelevant.

>>12713961
>average perceived chance of dying to a flue was at one point 30%.
Are we looking at the same graph?

>>12713997
He probably meant 20%

>>12711685
>I live in one of the most populous cities in America
That makes you a subhuman by default

Parents and pupils are close to mentally snapping, from what I see home-teaching in a european country. This shit is fucking bad, we're cultivating a generation of retarded psychos. It's what scares me the most, the lack of education and socialization
>muh children
are exposed to right now.
It's going to be a generation of loner shitposters, the likes of which are destroying internet culture and discussions right fucking now.

>>12713893
You're delusional and free of compassion.

>>12713975
>if you were REALLY A, you would do B!
Nice gatekeeping, faggot.
You US-Americans are devoid of compassion for your own kind. No wonder the US is in free fall.

>>12714339
>the lack of education and socialization
FUCKING HOW?
It's not the teacher's job to parent kids, parents do that. Also we were never locked down, kids play outside with other kids all the time. Everybody is free to leave the house to meet others.

People like you are literally retarded.

>>12704240
Already got it, the most significant symptom was loss of taste and smell for a couple weeks. No need for vaccine

>>12711666
Checked.

>>12704382
The graph is incredibly unclear.

>>12715201
not every country is florida. our children missed out on maybe half a year of physical school by now.

>>12715376
And...?

>>12704673
Is bill gates /ourguy/?

>>12715194
>You're delusional and free of compassion.
I have a lot of compassion for all the people who were robbed, put under house arrest and so on.

What is the source of this data? Also, what percentage of survey respondents could have accurately described what a numerical "chance" is?
>i can count to potato

>>12715651
So... none?

>>12715680
That's the point of OP, I guess. Humans are bad at evaluating risk.

>>12715711
It's sad that you have no compassion for the majority of population.

>>12715720
What makes you think so? I have compassion for everyone.
Do you really think people in the west were locked down and ribbed by the ebil goberment?

>>12715720
Says the 'lol just boomers die it's a nothingburger' fag.

>>12715729
Why did they die?

>>12715726
>Do you really think people in the west were locked down and ribbed by the ebil goberment?
That's literally what is happening.

>>12715734
Bullshit. Nobody is locked inside. Nobody is robbed. Maybe BLM victims are.