/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12697162
First for SN10 failing miserably, by exploding on ignition

Time for some depressing music for SNX

Thread anthem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jefGwY87K7c

>>12697172
>>12697174
Wait, SNX exploded? Huh?

nth for shuttle is gay

>>12697185
no
ignore those retards

>>12697185
shhh, now we mourn

>>12697174
At least make it topical
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n69jY5ouozA

>>12697202
Fair enough, but the other one does have an astronaut drifting in empty space on the cover

kino

Videos from Tianwen-1

space board when
like origami gets one
Fake wrestling gets one
whatever the fuck vtube is gets one

>>12697240

>>12697240
does their rover do anything cool or is it just for nationalism points

>>12697246
Artemis might make it happen, that said has gook moot ever added a board?

>>12697250
They’ve been 5 added in the past recentness

>>12697248
It's more like a proof of concept or a pathfinder, kind of like Pathfinder in 1997
It does have six scientific experiments onboard so it's not just for stylepoints

>>12697250
there's like 80 new video game boards

Elon's Martian travel itinerary
-mandatory sea shanties
-artificial insemination practice
-anime night

>>12697240
>>12697247
>spend millions on mars mission
>pack the shittiest camera from the year 2005
Why do they always do this?
Even if the resolution constrained by bandwidth, that doesn't mean the whole image has to be completely overexposed with fucked up saturation.

>>12697274
>/pw/ - Professional Wrestling
/sf/ - space & spaceflight when?

>>12697274
OH WE'D BE ALRIGHT

>>12697283
Aside from obvious bandwidth limitations like you mentioned:
1. The electronics have to be tougher than consumer tech in order to survive in space. They want to use hardware that's been tested and proven reliable.
2. It can take years from the time a spacecraft is planned to the time it arrives at destination. Slapping on the latest camera right at the end of the construction could cause unexpected problems.
3. Returning pretty pictures or video isn't a priority objective for many missions or phases of missions.

>>12697283
In this case it's probably external camera that they expect to be damaged one way or another, so they didn't bother much with it.

>>12697246
/asp/ isn't technically a wrestling board. They just took it over when wrestling got kicked off /sp/. There's still one solitary skateboarding general lingering there among all the wrestling threads

>>12697274
Needs Radio New Vegas style Martian radio station

>>12697240
>>12697247
It's so bright it looks like Venus.

>>12697362
They finally got a dedicated Wrestling board. Two years after they had killed every thread that was not wrasslin.

>>12697398
Oh wow, didn't realize until you said it. Pretty funny that this is all that's left on /asp/

Virgin Galactic scrubs again
https://twitter.com/virgingalactic/status/1360193157745491973

>>12697410
Why didnt they just have a wrestling general?

>>12697410
>>12697398
F for /asp/

>>12697427
>close old board, spawn several more
This is a sign of things to come, isn't it

>>12697431
It's the 4+4 chan model

>>12697427
Wew didnt even know Airsoft thread got revived. Last time I checked it was getting bullied by John Cena.

>>12697431
Every little topic needs to have its own subreddit. Like how video games now have like seven boards

>>12697326
But did they really not foresee that they might need to be able to turn the exposure down a little bit? to not get a white blob in place of mars?
Do they really just not care?

>>12697444
You obviously did not browse /v/ when there were like 20 different starcraft threads bumping every other threat off the board.

>>12697427
>airsoft
>extreme sports

>>12697450
I've been visiting /v/ since like 2008, or whenever those Borderlands threads were a thing. Only thing that I can remember being really annoying are the Smashfags with their endless roster threads. They should have had a containment board during the announcements, there was seriously nothing except Smash shit there at some point

Been gone since SN9 blew, what's SN10's status? Engines installed? Cryo done? Static fires?

>>12697463
Work has halted because its too cold for pussy ass texans to work.

>>12697459

The original Japan Time was peak /v/ you pleb.

>>12697463
cryo done but no static fire yet as far as I know. Possible testing tomorrow (13th) but the weather looks terrible until next thursday so I doubt it

>>12697447
For what they're using that camera for I don't think they care. The real prize is the rover.

>>12697469
>>12697474

Thanks. Have they figured out why SN9's raptor failed to relight?

>>12697486
suprirsingly makig an engine light up in horizontal position when it has been designed to be used in vertical position is hard.

What happens if SN10 succeeds?

>>12697500
I am briefly elated.

>>12697500
$TSLA stonks go through the roof and I SELL

>>12697500
I OD on hopium

>>12697500
then we toast

SpaceX bros...
https://twitter.com/WordsmithFL/status/1360246535225810945

>>12697547
>most exciting thing they've done for weeks is open a door

Starlink IPO when, SN10 hop when?

>>12697547
Is that a pathfinder hanger?

>>12697547
>Tutankhmons tomb opens for the first time since 2002

>>12697547
Why won't they do more publicity crap? SpaceX is doing it right, nobody cares about NASA if what they're doing doesn't actually progress technology forward in a meaningful manner.

Climate science is important but doesn't exponentially drop costs so that corporations could afford to send researchers on their own dime.If musk's estimations are correct he'll be able to send a few hundred people to mars for less money than 3 seats to the ISS on the Shuttle.

NASA would still be trying to work on a composite Star Ship rocket body.

>>12697547
>waow, they opened doors!!

>>12697547
That is a pretty big coffee filter

>>12697547
Word is that this New Glenn and it's going to launch soon.

>>12697547
this can't be happening.. IM IN CONTROL HERE

>Starship like proportions

>>12697591
Elon is done. Bezos dominates him

Martian building factory

>>12697609
Realistically, how would they manage to build factories on Mars? Would they have to be sent over in parts and assembled like Ikea furniture?

>>12697614
metal 3d Prooooonting is already getting very efficient

AAAAH WHEN IS THE STATIC FIRE???? ITS BEEN TWO DAYS AND NOTHING IS HAPPENING

>>12697639
5c IS TOO COLD TO WORK IN

https://youtu.be/MDXfQTD_rgQ

>>12697644
Bundle those mexi-welders up then

>>12697652
you're going to have to fly in winter clothes, i dont think they even sell jackets down there

>>12697652
dude like 20 texans just died in a highway crash since they don't know the concept of ice or cold
they're incompatible with chilly weather

>>12697644
?????? Fucking Mexicans

>>12697660
They are right down at the furthest south point, it didn’t freeze there

>>12697647
>in anticipation of the widespread phenomenon of private space travel that is going to be happening within the next 50 years
that was 2008, those guys were ahead of the curve

I AM THE FUTURE

I AM SPACE

TREMBLE BEFORE THE MIGHT OF BEZOS, CONQUEROR OF THE COSMOS AND BEYOND, MERCIFUL DECIDER OF FATES, AND FAIR RULER OF TERRA

LOOK AWAY, FOR YOU CANNOT GAZE UPON BEZOS' MAGNIFICENCE, AND KEEP ON WANTING TO LIVE AFTERWARDS, HAVING BEEN SHOWN WHAT A MEANINGLESS CRUMB YOU ARE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS WHEN COMPARED TO HIM

THE NEW GLENN WILL ARRIVE AT DAWN, AND WITH IT WILL COME PROSPERITY, AND GOOD

STARSHIP IS BOUND TO FALL, SO IS SPACEX, SO IS MUSK

EMBRACE THE BEZOS. THE FUTURE IS BLUE. GRADATIM FEROCITER

>>12697547
>opening a door to an empty warehouse is newsworthy for blue origin

>>12697673
bro you go to space first

just bribe them with more quaker chewy granola bars and Gatorade

>>12697673
>t. bald suborbital man

>>12697673
Whomgst?

>>12697547
But their rocket is supposed to be all one diameter no? What’s going on bros

>First ever released video was shot by China

Powerful

>>12697614
Prefabs with self assembly capacity
Or machines that are coordinated by a central server on site

>only saving your first stage
why is blue origin dumb

>>12697709
No
You send space Mexicans there to stack bricks and pour concrete

>>12697708
What about the one Curiosity took during EDL?

>>12697727
Ehhh it was more like a camera that had 8GB of memory. When the shield dropped away it started a pre programmed photo snap and dumped all the data quickly. Hullo managed to blend all the photos into a video and it turned out really cool. To be fair though it took multiple photos a second, I think, so I would count it as video.

>>12697736
Anon, that's what videos are. Lots of pictures played really fast.

>>12697547
those fins match pretty well with the renders. Looks like the interstage and the top of the LNG tank.

>>12697740
https://youtu.be/wveG7AcVC90?t=236
Here's the video, I timestamped it. You can tell it's still a camera. 5 images per second. Hullo corrected their autistic lens and smoothed it. Ended up looking pretty cool. You can see all the spacecraft parts impacting and it had enough memory to snap photos until the skycrane started the landing sequence

>>12697557
kek

>>12697747
I can't tell if you understand that videos are lots of still images or not.

>A source confirms New Glenn could go out for a spin sometime soon.
https://twitter.com/EmreKelly/status/1360254184969355270

>>12697758
I understand how it works. I think you don't understand that there is a fundamental difference between a dedicated video recorder and a camera that snaps a lot of photos in quick succession but still has a low frame rate
>Those are the same thing anon
I understand, I do. But the camera aboard Curiosity was not a DEDICATED video recorder. It was a camera and the photos had to be stitched together and smoothed out for a "video" effect.

>>12697787
Starship is finished bros; Ol' Blue is going to take their pathfinder rocket and wheel it around the VAB

>>12697828
>I think you don't understand that there is a fundamental difference between a dedicated video recorder and a camera that snaps a lot of photos in quick succession but still has a low frame rate
There... isn't though. That's my entire point.

>>12697787
Captive prototype sees sunlight for the first time (Top 10 Heartwarming Moments in Spaceflight)

>>12697547

>>12697836
I'm pretty sure we both understand how it works, we just describe it differently. A camera and a video recorder are two sides of the same coin. They might both be a quarter, but one is heads and one is tails. Two distinct things, one common mechanism. I'm willing to yield and say that Curiosity essentially had video with a very low framerate. But that does not negate the fact that it was a camera to begin with.

>>12697547
More competition is a good thing. At least leftists can't hate the idea of space exploration anymore just because they associate it with Elon and SpaceX

>>12697787
Hop when mr bezos???
Oh it’s just a display model for maybe getting some contracts??

>>12697547
>Look who decided to come out of their dungeon!

>a bunch of spacecraft enter mars orbit
>orbital launch mount construction enters phase 2
>new glenn out of fucking nowhere
interesting week...

Rain is forecasted at the Cape for the next week. Could see more delays...

>>12697247
How is this the red planet? It is white as fuck, and there is no polar cap.

>>12697892
that IS the polar cap

Where is the SN10 launching stream?

>elon laughing hard for 1 minute straight while joe looks on nervously
he's an actual madman isn't he

>>12697909
They don't post the streams until a few minutes before lift off. There won't be lift off for several days at least.

>>12697936
Damn, I thought it was today

>>12697931
Of coursh

>>12697230

>>12697931
Extreme aspergers I think
https://youtu.be/MfOEdJ1teRY

>>12697897
can't be that large

>>12697931
Timestamp?

>>12697940
There was a closure for today earlier in the week, but weather and a lack of static fire opportunities has pushed it back.

>>12697947
It might also be the shitty camera unable to differentiate between the ice and sand

>>12697876
those glasses of water are big

>>12697956
Gotta stay hydrated anon.

>>12697931
i'm an out-of-touch brainlet, what stream are you talking about?

>>12697968
new Joe Rogan episode, I'm assuming
haven't seen it

>>12697968
He was on Joe Rogan yesterday. Spotify is free, if shitty, should you want to watch.
Elon asks if Joe had ever seen a Falcon 9 land and he said 'no'.

>>12697968
>>12697974
Wrong. Biden talked to Elon about stopping colonialism and white supremacy in space and enabling cooperation with China and Elon started laughing as soon as Biden finished his first sentence. Elon had to be escorted out by the secret service.

>>12697983
They thought Big Jim was protecting Elon, turns out he was protecting them from him.

>>12697983
It's over man, just let it go and try again in 2024

>>12697983
take your meds

>>12697988
>>12697992
Are you guys autistic?

Does Mars really look like this? It looks terraformed already, bros.

>>12697996
This is a photo of an ancient riverbed/lakebed, which is why it looks so earthlike.

>>12697994
They're new, give them a break

>>12697994
>If you don't like my biden fan fictions you are autistic
Go to some smut site if you want to write fan-fic about elon and biden touching tips. Keep you fantasies out of this general please.

>>12698013
>2016 tourist calling others new

>>12698032
Anon, other anon was shitposting. It was clearly not serious, you are genuinely autistic for getting your cackles up over something so innocuous.
>inb4 hurr muh drumph

>>12698043
I've already explained this in here once, so I'll do it again.
"Just shitposting" is how misinformation starts. Then a smooth brain 60 IQ retard shares it to his 60 IQ friends. That gets the attention of 70 IQ retards, who pile on. This brings in the 80 IQs and so on until smart people are believe retarded shit like Trump is going to declare martial law and take over the US and send everyone 10,000 dollar checks in march, or Biden is trying to microchip people with vaccines.

"Just shitposting" is not an excuse to make up lies and bullshit. It does matter, and it does have an effect on the real world.

>>12697312
IF SOLAR WINDS WERE IN OUR SAILS

>>12698054
>a joke is a misinformation campaign

>>12698054
>the internet is srs business u guis, stoppit right now!

>>12698058
No, but it is the seeds of a misinformation campaign. Everyone on /pol/ joked about Qanon, and now it's a full blown propaganda machine that's ruined the lives of tons of families.

>>12698043
obviously it's a joke, but since this site is almost completely a /pol/ colony now that means there are schizoids in every thread who would unironically believe it

>>12698062
>Make clearly political """jokes""" filled with lies and made up shit
>"Hey stop making shit up. It has horrible effects in real life"
>"I WAS JUST MEMING BROOOOO"
Hiding your power level online is so pathetic

>>12698054
Can't tell if this is another funny joke post or a genuinely stupid statement

>>12698083
It's probably genuine. The guy seems pretty dedicated to his moral guardian shtick

>>12698083
That's because your brain is rotten to the core by the exact propaganda I'm talking about. You've genuinely lost your ability to determine between fact and fiction, or satire and sincerity.

>>12698089
On 4chan of all places. What a maroon.

>>12698089
Sad. Anyways back on topic discussion: when is the Chinese space station going up? So far everyone is saying 2021. I know they want to go to the Moon, but they still need to do their station program, and they still have like 20 landers going to the Moon before a human landing is even on the table. I hope they expedite the process and get there soon

>>12698093
This is /sfg/, not 4chan. If you want to go write fan-fictions about biden raping babies or Hilary drinking blood to get high, go to /pol/, or 8kun, or any of the other safe spaces for you shizos. Just do it anywhere except in the one good place to talk about space flight.

>>12698101
>This is /sfg/, not 4chan
bruh

>>12698103
>all of 4chan is the same
Your tourist is showing.

>>12698105
"Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, 'I am only joking!' ”
Your attempts at trying to be funny are futile and stupid. You are embarrassing yourself and shitting up the thread.

>>12698101
You dropped this bro

>>12698099
Such a weird overdesigned rover.

>>12698101
Look at this fag

Will Virgin Galactic be successful this weekend?

>>12698136
What are they trying to do? I'm out of the loop with those guys.

>>12698130
NASA can't into space without spending billions of dollars first on stupid designs and contracting out to all 50 states

>>12698139
still trying to launch that shitty rocket plane they made for no reason

>>12698130
It’s a typical government issue
All design parameters fixed in stone before the program even begins so you end up with retarded designs for various parts to squeeze in at weight/size limitations

Look at the JWST for instance, why not build the thing in orbit over multiple launches ? Oh no the design says a single launch and that’s final!

>>12698147
The one that killed the guy?

>>12698134
>>12698121
Just look how they scuttle away like cockroaches after getting called out. Complete, pathetic, spineless cowards. They've run out of "It's just a meme", and "It's 4chan brooo", now they just have pathetic crying
>"please stop man just let me live in my delusional fantasy land please I don't want to have to face reality stop it :(((((".
Fucking disgusting.

>>12698150
it's almost the same vehicle as far as i know. richard branson has to be one of the most idiotic people to ever live

>>12698151
Mir was so ghetto

>>12698150
The guy killed himself really

>>12698151
dude why are you shitting up a spaceflight thread with this? go to /pol/ if you want to preach about misinformation or whatever the fuck triggered you like this

>>12698153
He can't be that stupid if he's getting someone else to fly it instead of him.
>>12698155
As far as suicides go that one was pretty badass.

>>12698071
>but since this site is almost completely a /pol/ colony now
I find it perplexing that you keep trying to ask them nicely to stop being retards after posting this.

>>12698155
I know one guy survived. What is the likelihood that the survivor actually pulled the lever and was just like "yeah ahah it was my copilot that pulled it"

>>12698156
Sure, as soon as you fucks stop posting misinformation or """jokes""" like: >>12697983
Don't try to pretend like I started this faggot

>>12698164
Just stop posting for an hour and go calm your nerves anon

>>12698164
Pictured: dangerous misinformation that might lead one to believe that Elon is actually a time-traveling god-emperor from Mars. DO NOT post such """""jokes""""" or I will rain FIRE down upon you!

>>12698167
Way ahead of you, I have piano practice and
notes I need to take on chapter 3 of pic related.

Good Lord, a psychology student could just lurk in this general and write an entire thesis on the interaction of autists

>>12697500
Next flight is used to deliver pizza and booze to the ISS.

>>12698169
>that might lead one to believe that Elon is actually a time-traveling god-emperor from Mars
You joke, but I've seen anons post this completely seriously.

>>12698101
>This is /sfg/, not 4chan
excuuuse me this is 4channel now

Hang on, is that a weather machine on top of that van?

>>12698181
I thought you only could make icons of people who were already dead/martyred, though I'm clearly no theologian.
For me it is Saint Laika

>>12697660
Dammyankees don't know what black ice is. They think "winter driving" is just some pussy snow on the road.

>>12697547
>BO is so boring that its followers whoop and holler when it opens a factory door
>>12698164
I bet it took you lots of energy to say "faggot". Now say the N word, pussy.

>>12698201
No I got banned last time I said that in this thread.

>>12697994
Do you need to ask?

>>12698201
>Now say the N word, pussy.
>N word

>>12698197
The only people that died are fucking cucks driving in fucking walled off toll lanes lol
Imagine paying to drive

>>12698149
>Look at the JWST for instance, why not build the thing in orbit over multiple launches ? Oh no the design says a single launch and that’s final!
Every time the government does this it's because of jobs, pork, corruption, etc. Look at Shelby. He learned enough about rocketry to understand the exact types of innovation that would threaten SLS, then zeroed out NASA's funding for them. That kind of talent in a lawmaker would be impressive if it weren't used for evil.


>>12698101
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T POINT OUT HOW EVIL MY TEAM IS BECAUSE IT'S MY TEAM

>>12698201
>Now say the N word
N-1.

>>12698099
> when is the Chinese space station going up? So far everyone is saying 2021. I know they want to go to the Moon, but they still need to do their station program
Chinese station will start construction mid year, may be finished end of next year at the latest.

>>12698181
He is not the God Emperor silly. He is the creator of the Mechanicus.

>>12698220
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T POINT OUT HOW EVIL MY TEAM IS BECAUSE IT'S MY TEAM
For every single person who believed "it's just memes it doesn't matter no one actually believe it" look at this "person". This is the exact 60 IQ retard I was talking about who really buys into these "memes" as reality.

Thank you retard-kun, for being you. I couldn't have asked for a better example of what I am saying

>>12698230
This is the correct answer

>>12698220
You had to trigger him again, eh?

>>12698243
>When you side with retards and they prove your opponents point

Just out of curiosity do you take any sort of daily medication?

>>12698177
Psychology is pseudoscience at best.

Why are there no good Mars exploration/colonization games? I just want a realistic first-person Mars colony RPG.

>>12698260
Realism is boring.

>>12698264
No it's fun and immersive

>>12698260
Worst £30 I ever wasted.

>>12698272
Just play factorio

>>12698169
Did you already forget last thread with anons calling Elon the savior of the white race who is going to setup a martian white ethnostate?

>>12698260
Is Rimworld good?

>>12698222
You did it.
>>12698240
Someone needs to shoop Elon as Captain Cats from Zero Wing.

>>12698288
Yes

Oh man, the mutt crying and seething about the chinese drone is absolutely amazing, keep it up guys

>>12698260
surviving mars is good anon, i'm literally listening to the ost as we speak

>>12698303
What's the best space colonization game?

>>12698288
Not really unless ur doing challenges like sea ice

>>12698149
>why not build the thing in orbit over multiple launches ?
JWST's problem is complexity. If you remove deployments and add orbital assembly you've just substituted one type of complexity for another. NASA conducted a recent study into in-space assembly of telescopes, it doesn't make it significantly cheaper.

>>12698305
kerbal space program + modular kolonization systems

>>12698280

>>12698305
Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri

>>12698315
I'm starting to understand why this general hates spacex stans

>>12698310
The complexity exists because it has to be squeezed into arbitrary size and weight restrictions which could easily be ignored with orbital assembly and an extra booster stage
The fuck do you need “studies” for ?

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-assigns-astronauts-to-agency-s-spacex-crew-4-mission-to-space-station/
>NASA has assigned two crew members to launch on the agency’s SpaceX Crew-4 mission – the fourth crew rotation flight of the Crew Dragon spacecraft to the International Space Station.
>NASA astronauts Kjell Lindgren and Bob Hines will serve as spacecraft commander and pilot, respectively, for the Crew-4 mission. Additional crew members will be assigned as mission specialists in the future by the agency’s international partners.
>The mission is expected to launch in 2022 on a Falcon 9 rocket from Launch Complex 39A at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Lindgren, Hines, and the international crew members will join an expedition crew aboard the space station for a long-duration stay.

So that NASA commissioned report on NTRs and nuclear reactors is out
>https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25977/space-nuclear-propulsion-for-human-mars-exploration
>As requested by NASA, each system was assessed with regard to its ability to support a particular baseline mission—an opposition-class human exploration mission to Mars with a 2039 launch date.

>>12698355
>2040
YIKES

>>12698355
fuck. This is going to be used to justify pushing back any attempt at reaching Mars with chemical rockets.

>>12698355
And that is before you calculate in 15-20 years of delay that is bound to happen. By that time China will have entire cities on the Moon and Mars, probably even starting to build their deep space travel network.

>>12698370
No it won't.

>>12698383
within NASA it 100% will. Why send people to Mars by 2032 if we have a safer, faster mission planned for 2039?

>>12698345
So... It just sits there for eternity? Uhhh, g-guys?

>>12698389
>within NASA
I'm assuming you mean "human" spaceflight, in which case NASA was never going to get people to mars anyways. So nothing really changes.

>>12698396
At least until a SpaceX contracted employee in a vac suit goes to knock it over and scrap it.

>>12698342
Not all of the complexity is because of weight and fairing size. Fundamentally it's a large passively-cooled, cryogenic telescope which needs to be diffraction limited. There is irreducible complexity. And adding on-orbit assembly will introduce new complexity. The same thing happens with serviceability. A telescope would have to be specifically designed to support assembly.
>The fuck do you need “studies” for ?
Because otherwise you just end up with another budget disaster. NGST was designed to radically cut costs of telescopes by over an order of magnitude. It turns out they fucked up, and should have done more studies. NGST was eventually renamed JWST. If you just pull things out of your ass, then it's quite easy to make things even worse.

>>12698382
>15-20 years of delay
>Lastly, application of a complex set of NEP subsystems to the baseline mission requires parallel development of a compatible large-scale chemical propulsion system to provide the primary thrust when departing Earth orbit and when entering and departing Mars orbit. As a result of low and intermittent investment over the past several decades, it is unclear if even an aggressive program would be able to develop an NEP system capable of executing the baseline mission in 2039.
>The committee recommends that the development of operational NTP and NEP systems include extensive investments in modeling and simulation.
They nearly admit that in the summary

>>12697599
lmao. Compare it to the cars it's not even close

>>12698321
Literally everyone complaining about SpaceX "stans" is a troll trolling trolls. Except (You) apparently

>>12698434
w/e you say spacex stan

>>12698254
CBD oil otherwise I'm always sad, or occassionally really angry.

>>12698421
Isn't New Glenn 8m diameter?

>>12698280
Lets start a movement to #banish all white people to Mars so we can make it a paradise.

wtf is this bullshit

>>12698462
Comfy.

>>12698448
7

>>12698462
Martian embassy

>>12698462
Test platform for spaceX new, new orbital vehicle

>>12698462
a house

>>12698462
The Grimes reproduction plantation

>>12698462
“I’m not selling”

>>12698462
Project catgirl housing

>>12698462
https://youtu.be/I0uWPGt79os

>>12698254
every few days, Osteocare and some vit C

>>12698409
The Rube Goldberg deployment sequence which is happening in deep space to preclude a human doing there to whack a stuck hinge and replace motors or antenna is absolutely due to weight and fairing size

Every year they delay is half a billion in salaries paid to these people

Sure there are difficulties, but where is the small scale tests? Where are the prototypes?

>>12698462
I think this is where Musk lives now that he sold all his houses in CA

>>12698511
Fuck off out of my general Zubrin

>>12697947
the polar caps get very big during the martian winter

>>12698523
Why? Where is the extra ice coming from?

When will space travel look like this?

>>12698272
it's worthwhile with the expansions. that said, just pirate it

>>12698197
black ice is common in the north as well
>>12698280
nobody in the last thread said that he was the savior of the white race or that he was going to set up an ethnostate, people said that a colony should be homogenous rather then heterogenous.

>>12698533
>During a pole's winter, it lies in continuous darkness, chilling the surface and causing the deposition of 25–30% of the atmosphere into slabs of CO2 ice (dry ice). When the poles are again exposed to sunlight, the frozen CO2 sublimes.

>>12698537
When moving rotating space stations become a thing.

>>12698533
condenses from the atmosphere near the colder polar regions

>>12698537
Where are you gonna get that gravity from bro

>[Deleted] x 100
based jannies

>>12698521
Let’s look at the JWST for example, you could easily split the heat shield, the propulsive module, the power and computing, and then the telescope into 4 separate launches

100 million for each launch, small money

The main dish has to fucking fold because they don’t have the balls to go to some launch company and tell them “make a fairing that’ll fit these dimensions”

Failing that, they could make their own fairings out of milled aluminum for minimal cost.

Now, your telescope is modular and built to be able to be expanded and you could launch other telescopes, or new shields, or new computer/power modules/propulsion to keep it working

But what do I know, I’m not a professional scientist who gets paid regardless

>>12698355
>2039 launch date
without spacex americans would literally never step foot on mars

>>12698537
50's retrofuturism is more or less the ultimate space aesthetics

>>12698544
In theory, simply acceleration or >>12698542

>>12698537
2050s - 2060s

>>12698559
>tfw I'll be in my fifties when I get on a station like this

>>12698511
>Sure there are difficulties, but where is the small scale tests? Where are the prototypes?
Prototypes of what? If you mean JWST then there have been many small scale tests on the ground like the pathfinder backplane, the 1/6th optics testbed or the subscale sunshields. A full orbital pathfinder was cancelled because of cost (NEXUS).
If you're asking why there are no demonstrations of assembly, that largely comes down to motivation. There was a proposal to put an assembled telescope on the space station, but the manned spaceflight division didn't want to pay for it and the astrophysics division wasn't interested in paying for a sub-par telescope. The other element is that assembly really only becomes viable for very large missions, and a lot of people want a return to smaller missions flown more regularly.

>>12698539
>No one said he was the savior of the white race, just that he would set up a white only ethnostate on mars

>>12698397
This. Nasa is never going to Mars or if they do it’s just going to be some bullshit like Apollo where they walk around, plant a flag and take a few rocks home with them then never take it any further by actually establishing permanent settlements and industries. What’s the point of that?

Nasa is just a jobs program now and all the actual passion or brains behind them are either dead, retired or have left for some commercial space company.

The future of space flight is either going to be China or Spacex because both have the passion and commitment to actually take things further.

You have just reminded me of this absolute kino.

>>12698503
>Osteocare and some vit C
Get a load of this belter

>lower the altitude a bit
>almost unrecognizable from the current Starlink system
the cope is real boys

>>12697741
wonder if this thing will blow up at first
>>12698197
this. Snow is fine. Ice is something else. And ice more more common in the south thanks to borderline temperatures
>>12698382
just let spacex do it then. Have NASA take up a support position and have oldspace go extinct if they can't keep up.
>>12698537
actually love the look of this. Very cozy.

>>12698569
>gay ass neon ads everywhere
nah

>>12698569
>A thing of beauty I know....
>Will never fade away

>>12698572
amazon is likely working together with them to sabotage starlink. I hope SpaceX is on the ball here and knows that they're going to have to reciprocate with these underhanded tactics. Hell just have Musk call Bezos a racist for trying to keep internet away from impoverished communities.

>>12698355
Apparently one of the challenges is the lack of undocumented rocket engineers of color

>>12698583
All's fair in love and spaceflight.

>>12698541
>>12698543
Thanks anons

>>12698552
50's retrofuturism is just 60's modernism

>>12698586
Oh my FUCK are you KIDDING ME

>>12698586
>non-citizens should get to work on rockets too
Why

>>12698576
After all, it is a space casino, and to be fair, commercial space stations won't be too different in real life.

>>12698586
Jesus Christ.

>>12698595
Do you think "ethnic" means "non-citizen"?

>>12698565
nobody even said he was going to set up an ethnostate, they only said he SHOULD

>>12698586
The USA is preparing to fall bros. Or at the very least, I can say for certain that NASA is pozzed and will never again reach the status it held in the 70's.
(pic unrelated to spaceflight but sums up the idiocracy of the modern west)

>>12698547
>heat shield, the propulsive module, the power and computing, and then the telescope into 4 separate launches
You can't launch a telescope to L2 without propulsion, power and computing. Then removing the sunshield is pointless.
>100 million for each launch, small money
Not with a custom 8 meter fairing, that would of course have to be flown multiple times before it would be certified for such an expensive payload.
>Failing that, they could make their own fairings out of milled aluminum for minimal cost.
And how much would that weigh?

>>12698568
By the time they will go "oh shit, we should totally compete with China u guise" it will be totally over. China closed the gap from first human spaceflight to Mars probes in 18 years. NASA couldnt return to the Moon in 50. Do they actually think they have another 50 years to lazily dick around asking for more funding and starting/cancelling programs? Fucking Israel, the Arabs, the Turks, the Russians, literally everyone is planning manned moonbases and NASA just shrugs and goes "year will will get around it guys, dont worry about it"

>>12698586
Just air out the fucking field from these people.
Maybe we'll get off this rock that way

>>12698610
>idiocracy
nah, its gynocracy

>>12698605
No, I think 'non citizen' means non-citizen, as specified in bulletpoint 3 of the image posted.

>>12698620
kek. We are doomed.

>>12698620
Do you not think using the global workforce and talent pool would help develop such technology faster? Especially when bullet two already states talent is being leeched away by other fields.

>>12698610
Why are these faggots so obsessed about "muh diversity"? Why is it even important? Why does every workplace need to look like modern London?

>>12698610
MI6 is for foreign spying. They've always recruited foreign born spies. I hate foreigners of all ilks but this is a stupid example.

>>12698569
Trash. Just play Elite Dangerous, it's only $10.

>>12698627
No.

>>12698632
At least for that example, foreign spies can be invaluable in gaining information and insight into how foreign spy networks operate. Just like the US did with japaneese nationals in WWII

>>12698564
It should be large missions done more frequently
With no hesitation to break payloads into 2 or 3 separate launches if that would be more practical

And test launches of everything, testing all the moving components and the exact environment of the target orbit

>>12698610
This is a retarded headline. Almost all spies are foreign born. Your guys are the ones recruiting them. You don't want your guys to get put before a firing squad for espionage, you want it to be some other countries guys.

>>12698642
Why not?

>>12698612
At this stage the US is just a Chinese puppet and nasa is more dead than usual. They are probably being held back intentionally at this stage because it is painfully obvious that the second space race had already begun and even the most stupid politician could see it.

Burgers lucked out big time with Spacex, but I fear the government might throw a spanner in the works just as they did for nasa, but hopefully that’s not the case.

Long live the Elon of Mars.

>>12698647
>MFW these same anons would be raging in the 60s about having Von Braun working on rockets

>>12698586
>1. Not enuff women and shitskins
>2. not enough low wage H1B slaves to actually do the job
>3. Not able to sell the research and work to foreign bidders to privately profit

Thanks NASA

>>12698632
Because at the end of the day their career hinges on them hating themselves vocally

>>12698650
I don't want smelly countries to get ICBMs or access space.

>>12698462
I thought it's the office?

>>12698652
Nah, more like the burgers are trying their best, they are just too bureaucratic and out of touch to actually realize that yes, the race is on and they can actually race it. Plus chances are, they can just fuck it up and chase SpaceX away with dumb decisions. What stops them from moving their assets, wealth and knowledge abroad as a company? Nothing really, they could just move their HQ anywhere.

>>12698654
Germany was an American puppet state at the time and it still is. And it’s not like a German Nazi was going to run off to the Soviet Union so no fear of him selling out secrets.

>>12698664
Do you think nuclear propulsion is the thing that is preventing other countries from having ICBMs? Or getting to space?

>>12698611
> You can't launch a telescope to L2 without propulsion, power and computing.
It meets up in LEO first, testing all systems, before flying out to L2
If something doesn’t work a replacement can be launched or a human to fix it

>s Not with a custom 8 meter fairing, that would of course have to be flown multiple times before it would be certified for such an expensive payload.

The fairing just needs “wings” to fit the edges of the telescope
Don’t need to impose arbitrary requirements and things get way easier if the launch is only 1/4 of the rockets max payload

>>12698627
Is it even clear that would significantly increase the talent pool? NASA isn't the only agency around, offering better pay/benefits to draw your own people in might be easier than poaching foreign engineers

>>12698676
>Germany was an American puppet state at the time
Uhhhhh

>>12698645
>It should be large missions done more frequently
You can't just wish things to be cheaper.
>And test launches of everything
That will certainly drive up costs. Before JWST it was perfectly possible to test-as-you-fly in vacuum chambers and space simulators, without the enormous cost of going to space.

>>12698681
America doesn't have a monopoly on nuclear engineers, so yeah probably.

>>12698677
If it didn't help they wouldn't want to do it.

>>12698690
>It would help them get ICBMS and get to space
>How?
>Uhhhh well it would just help in general actually! somehow..... don't ask me how....
lmao

just nuke this thread already
actually, nuke the fucking general until SN10 flies

>>12698684
> You can't just wish things to be cheaper.
Yes you can, cut everyone’s pay because it’s covid times and budgets are tight
Betcha they got paid when they weren’t working last year

>>12698693
>nuclear propulsion
>not helping into space
Anon?
>>12698697
this

>>12698678
>It meets up in LEO first, testing all systems, before flying out to L2
So now it needs a huge propulsion module capable of going to L2 from LEO, after loitering for a long time. That will be expensive and heavy.
>If something doesn’t work a replacement can be launched or a human to fix it
Which will probably take years. Look how long it took to rescue HST.
>The fairing just needs “wings” to fit the edges of the telescope
Then you still need a deployable secondary.

>>12698586
>not one actual technical concern listed
When does everyone finally agree to stop taking the likes of NASA and other western government space agencies seriously? Even talking about how bad it really is is becoming old hat. The private sector is all that matters.

>he's only here for SpaceX
ngmi

>>12698305
>>12698319
>>12698311

factorio or alpha centauri

>>12698701
Yep, if you are just trying to get to space, solid rocket motors and chemical rockets would be way easier and cheaper then building a nuclear rocket. That's only needed when you are IN space and want to get to planets faster.
How are you posting here and you don't understand this?

>>12698698
>Yes you can, cut everyone’s pay
NASA isn't in control of what contractors pay people.
>Betcha they got paid when they weren’t working last year
Yes, because it's their employers fucking responsibility. Work continued on JWST anyway.

>>12698705
It must be so nice to be a chinese aerospace engineer. No company culture shit, no diversity hires, no sensitivity training shit, no worry about getting fired because you misgendered some tranny or used a microagression against some antsy feminist, no gender quotas, you are state company so no quarterlies,no constant meetings, no appealing to dumbshit investors,no HR department making everyones lives miserable, no marketing, no rush for profitability, no constant downsizing. Just engineering shit.

>>12698713
these guys don't know anything about spaceflight. i blame isaac arthur and other shitty popsci futurists

>>12697240
>>12697247
I hope it crashes

>>12698724
>mutt seethe

Delicious

>>12698724
y tho

>>12698719
The chinese then bitch about other stuff
Always things to bitch about

>>12698683
1960s Germany was definitely not a true independent nation. They had 10s of thousands of soldiers occupying the place and they still do even after the Soviets collapsed.

The point I’m making is that a German scientist in the US during the Cold War couldn’t be a security threat because he obviously wasn’t selling out US secrets to his home nation given their situation while a Chinese scientist working in the US actually is a threat because his nation isn’t a joke and he obviously has more loyalty to his people than the US government.

>>12698713
>Yep, if you are just trying to get to space
Well shit if they're only going to use it IN space then nevermind, give reactors to pakistan and ISIS while we're at it I'm sure they'll be responsible with them.

>>12698732
>Hiring foreign engineers means you are hiring people directly from china
Ah, you're a retard or underage with zero engineering or government work experience. Got it, my bad. Carry on.

>>12698728
Comparing what american and chinese space programs did in the past few decades suggests otherwise

>>12698738
Pakistan has reactors, retard. Its a nuclear power and has been for like 60 years or so

>>12698738
Right.... the US is going to pull talent from Pakistan and ISIS, countries with no aerospace capabilities whatsoever to work on nuclear propulsion. VERY big brain of you anon. We're all very proud of your big think.

>>12698741
Look Chang it doesn’t matter how much experience he has with the US government or if he has a US passport, his loyalty is elsewhere and you know it.

Now stop committing industrial espionage and fuck off.

neat

>>12697459
I hate that the mods keep their shitty draw threads but shut doen our foxhole threads

>>12698752
You say that but the most rabidly anti-chinese person I've ever met was some chink that was a part of the falon gong.

>>12698741
Actually that did happen. Hiring shit tons of chinese off the boat, brain draining the best of the chinese away. Then the gubmint in their infinite wisdom started firing most of them after decades of employment, giving them an easy excuse to take their know-how to China and willingly hand everything over.

This is how they overtook the US, not industrial espionage.

>>12698758
Hope it crashes

>>12698741
>Hiring foreign engineers means you are hiring people directly from china
isn't this literally what happened with boeing for the starliner demo? they outsourced their coding to india or something right

https://twitter.com/NASAInSight/status/1360314509911412736
https://mars.nasa.gov/news/8858/insight-is-meeting-the-challenge-of-winter-on-dusty-mars/?site=insight
>Today, InSight’s solar arrays are producing just 27% of their dust-free capacity
>solar

>What NASA says: "Export control regulations and classified nature of some of research and technologies preclude non-US citizen from participating, constrains the size and quality of the pipline
>What NASA means: "Our international allies have robust and active nuclear programs, it would be good to involved those talented engineers in our pipeline"
>What /sfg/ hears: "We are going to hire exclusively middle eastern and chineese workers with zero background checks or investigation"

>>12698772
Source?

>>12698773
better cap highlighting the difference

>>12698773
Complaining about solar because of rovers is like complaining about shovels because that robot couldn't use one properly.

>>12698761
They are some schizo meme cult that gets their organs harvested by the CCP so yeah I’d assume they would be pretty upset, but obviously the overwhelming majority of chinks aren’t them.

>>12698783
problem solved bro

>>12698773
What mechanism do they have to clean em

>>12698789
lol

>>12698789
none lol. You can sometimes rely on local dust devils to come by and clean them up a little bit, but that's highly coincidental and dependent on the local climate

>>12698789
wind

>>12698789
this is why these missions only have like a 3 month expected mission lifespan

>>12698783
Why couldnt they just add some kind of compressor/air nozzle to the robot arm? It would have been beneficial in cleaning rocks for analysis too.

>>12698775
>refuse to work on nuclear projects because of woke anti-nuclear policy
>refuse to hire americans because of woke pro-immigrant policy
>blame your inability to rely on diversity hires for the lack of progress

>>12698806
Thanks for proving my point anon. You read "non-US citizens can help expand our pipeline" and somehow your brain output "We won't hire americans workers"

>>12698800
>>12698796
>>12698798
>>12698793
What could their rationale for not using an RTG possibly have been?

>>12698783
How much did this joke cost?

>>12698805
You mean add more mass?

>>12698787
...this would work, wouldn't it

>>12698812
RTG's take a lot of political power to approve, and are physically demanding in terms of producing even a few kg's of fissile material. They are typically reserved for big missions like Perserverance, Cassini, Voyager, etc. InSight was a budget mission that sat in a warehouse for a while

>>12698812
probably waste heat and not efficient enough

>>12698812
No availible plutonium is usually an issue
And the NRC hasn’t allowed a new reactor in 50 years so it’s not like you can just make your own

>>12698813
From US$675 million to $830 million.
Keep in mind it's already has it's mission extended by two years, and the solar panels have been cleared by wind on mars before, they've just been unlucky with the martian weather.

>>12698809
"We have too many white Americans in X position and refuse to hire more" is the unspoken essence behind every complaint.

>>12698812
Insight isn't that big

>Europa clipper no longer using SLS
Pretty big vote of no confidence by the sounds of it..

>>12698827
>$675 million to $830 million

>>12698819
No shit, if it means months to years of extra lifetime.

>>12698830
This is why people call you a schizo anon.

>>12698783
>>12698773
so for solar to be viable on mars it's clear that it needs to be paired with automated cleaning systems. What's the best approach? Compressed air? Windshield wipers? Bigass fans? ..Indentured servants? Something else?

>https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20120003263/downloads/20120003263.pdf
>Tribocharging of Mars dust particles can contribute to strong adhesion of particles to solar panels and to optical windows
how much more difficult does the electrostatic nature of the dust make removal?

>>12698841
Okay.

>>12698839
That's nothing in space budgets. How are so many people here ignorant about the basics of Space industry and contracts?

>>12698830
>Actually admits it's all a boogeyman in his head
At least your honest anon.

>>12698842
Have you ever tried to get styrofoam debris off of your hands

>>12698758
I guess I could google it, but given that this general desperately needs some on-topic discussion, how is "gravitational sphere of influence defined"?

Is there a job at spaceX that does the engineering requirements design for NASA contracts? Like someone who creates Starship engineering requirements by studying the lunar surface?

>>12698850
Please elucidate me on a better reason that we need quotas for women, minorities and non-citizens.

>>12697162
>Ariane 6 will cost $130 million to launch
Wtf were the Euros thinking

>>12698842
I've heard that simply trying to wipe the dust off is a big no-no because it will just end up shredding the panels and decreasing your efficiency even more. I have a crazy idea but it's kind of stupid. You could put a layer of ionic liquid over them that is exposed to the air. Ionic liquids persist in their liquid form even in high vacuum environments. The dust would fall in the liquid instead and you could have a basic filtration system that separates the dust particles out ever 150 days or so. By no means would this work for small rovers, but for something like a Mars colony it could work

But also keep in mind that solar panels degrade in efficiency regardless of dust so you might as well just not worry about it and ship in new panels from Earth every so often

>>12698862
Don’t respond to him man he’s just a Reddit tourist

>>12698864
>aged like a fine wine

>>12698862
Quotas? This is what I mean anon, NASA never said a single thing about quotas.
>"Export control regulations and classified nature of some of research and technologies preclude non-US citizen from participating, constrains the size and quality of the pipeline"
In fact, it seems like the only "quota" limiting the pipline is the "quota" of only hiring US citizens.

>>12698870
What you do is you add a little ducted fan that will blow all the dust off

>>12698254
Suppose to take sertraline daily but I'm very lax with it (mainly cause I want to come off it but cold turkey is unpleasant).

>>12698876
Falcon 1 got flying pretty fast actually. SpaceX was founded in 2002 and its maiden flight was in 2006. Four years. For comparison, RocketLab was founded in 2006 and didn’t launch Electron until 2017 - 11 goddamn years! 11 years after its founding SpaceX flew the second version of the Falcon 9 and also attempted to land the stage

>>12698826
I wish we were in a timeline where our species' reaction to peaceful nuclear applications wasn't akin to a monkey screaming at a fire. Shit's honestly embarrassing and we've hurt ourselves severely through this irrational, regressive fear.

>>12698853
yeah it's kind of a nightmare. If Mars dust is that clingy then this is quite the problem.

>>12698870
>I've heard that simply trying to wipe the dust off is a big no-no because it will just end up shredding the panels and decreasing your efficiency even more
this is what I was afraid of with that approach. And your idea is pretty clever.

>>12698879
that approach is made more difficult because of the thin atmosphere. Not that it wouldn't work, not sure. But thin atmosphere + the clingy nature of the dust might make the process very energy inefficient.

>>12698462
Chinese nail house

>>12698842
I would think that angling and vibrating them would be the easiest thing. It won't get all the dust off but it should shake off enough to keep the thing alive.
If you're talking about colony solar farms then you can make more robust panels with either people or a robot to go around and brush them off periodically.

>>12698889
Falcon 1 had to fly to get funding, so they had deadlines

>>12698697
Why, anon, don't you want to discuss spies and le current year hottest political events in /sfg/? Who do you think *OWNS* the site? Hello.

>>12698837
seriously what is taking so long on SLS? physically, what do these people spend all these years doing? just build the damn rockets. it's not like they don't know how

>>12698857
iirc the sphere of influence is where the local body's gravity "overrides" the gravity of everything else. So the moon's sphere of influence is the area where an object would orbit the moon itself instead of the earth or the sun

>>12698197
>don't know what black ice is
Our roads are practically made of black ice, you just don't know how to drive

>>12698812
Money. Landers are meant to cost less than rovers.

>>12698272
>>12698260
Game was absolutely horrible

>>12698901
catch is if the lower gravity is enough to > the electrostatic attraction

>>12698910
They messed up a lot actually. The first SLS core made apparently failed its pressure test back in 2014 so they had to redesign the tooling (lol).

>>12698877
Attributing the limitation of the pipeline to the diversity of potential hires is functionally an admission that they have diversity quotas for those positions, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue. Also, Americans are the only ones who have ever done practical functional work on NTR drives and the only country even competitive in nuclear pioneering is Russia. Who the fuck are we waiting on? It's a transparent joke.

>>12698397
>>12698568
NASA will literally just purchase starships as soon as they are proven. SpaceX will unironically keep the US space program afloat.
>>12698612
>>12698652
Okay Chang try not to get too cocky considering your track record is terrible

>>12698783
Just shake the sand off.

>>12698948
we need dog tech

>>12698943
>if I call people chang and act really, really butthurt it will totally slow down china!

>>12698697
this and for anyone who doubts this warning, go on /vg/ and click a general for a game you recognize and see if you can tell what the fuck is going on. You can't. Once the news and events stop dripping, generals become garbage factories where you can stuff your eyeballs with garbage.

>>12698911
Oh, ok. That definition does makes sense. I would've thought that it would be based on the decay of the gravitational attraction at a given distance the same way one defines a characteristic parameter of decay with exponential functions.

>>12698979
At least mods and jannies are doing a lot of work.

>>12698979
This general was fine during down periods until starship's first 12km hop. That brought in too many normalfags who know nothing about space flight.

Can someone articulate what exactly is holding us up on fusion power? Obviously we understand how it works. We can create fusion reactions already. What the hell is stopping us from running a reactor though, with more power output than there is input? Is it a material science problem with trying to contain the fusion?

I want one

>>12699030
Plasma physics is stupidly hard.
Also:
>a material science problem

>>12699046

>>12699030
boomers and public enterprises suck. I'm expecting progress as genx pries the field out of their grasp and as spacex-esque private fusion startups are attempted.

>>12697758
>5 pictures in a second is basically the same thing as video with 24+ frames per second!
Based brainlet.

>>12699065
The only difference is the framrate. They are still both a collage images. Is this confusing to you?

Starlink-17 is clearly cursed, if the schedule holds it'll go up after 19 now.
Maybe Bezos paid some witch friends to put a hex on it, foolishly hoping that Musk wouldn't want to launch out of sequence.