/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12691322
Real thread.

Hello frens. Is NASA still making Kilopower or did they hype it up only to cancel it like idiots
Also reminder that if you try to stage early you will get the airlock

>>12691321
What happen?

new janitor in training I see

lets all try our hardest to only talk about spaceflight alright guys?

Last known thread: >>12689255

>>12691334
what the fuck

>>12691334
>ghetto ass ladder from the Shuttle to the wet workshop
lmao

>>12691329
Jannies fucked up and everything got out of control.
Reminder to all newfags to NOT make a new thread until page 10 or image limit so we don't flood /sci/.
And if you can't follow those instructions don't fucking post.

Will the SpaceX finally work on Thursday?

>>12691318
They pushed their min-maxing game too far.

>>12691341
>And if you can't follow those instructions
...open the airlock without a suit.

>>12691318
I would guess probably shitty welding or some metallurgical issues, spherical tanks let you avoid a lot of stress concentrations and it's real easy to get a perfect sphere by explosive hydroforming or something instead of having to shape everything manually for cylindrical tanks

>>12691343
>>12691358
I see. It just seems silly somehow.

Where can I access photos from the Chinese space program? Is there any website that catalogs them? I have to do so much digging just to find HD photographs of their VAB

>>12691334
That exposed experiment facility what Kibo has on the ISS looks like pure autism to me

>>12691371
I've been trying to catalog their progress to the best of my abilities, but shit's hard to find besides what Jeff Faust posts on space news.

>tfw never ever

>>12691321
have you considered that maybe the thread should stay dead?

>>12691382
I can't get over the fact that China is out there launching Salyut modules in the current year

>>12691343
PROPELLANT IS STORED IN THE BALL

>>12691382
Are those pipes in the walls for emergency gassing the witnesses when they accidentally discover the stowed lizard people and tech that is actually being launched to space?

>>12691358
what the fuck, why is the common bulkhead pointing up

>>12691343
>>12691358
>>12691369
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9WyEfzWPg
*POMF*
here's ur propellant tank, bro

Finally, we can put the last thread's faggot OP behind us.

>>12691334
I've always wondered why all space ships and space stations are portrayed to be aerodynamic (like an airplane) when there is no air in space so shape doesn't matter. I guess people are used to airplanes and space shuttle contributed to that. But if it's assembled in space I expect space stations to look like a giant monstrosities and not have a slick design like an aircraft.

>>12691382
Those fairings look BIG

>>12691397
tubes and spheres are way easier to make, so everything is a tube or a sphere

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1359591780010889219
not sure if this got posted during the clusterfuck, but FUCK SLS AND FUCK BOING

>>12691416
BASED

>>12691416
glad to see the OPA group is on SpaceX's side

fuck urfers

>>12691369
I too would like to know more. This is most of what I could find about the matter. I presume there wasn't machinery up to the feat and developing a manufacturing line with all its intricacies would've taken too long, considering the general haste at the time, too.
>It was only the limitations of Soviet manufacturing technology that forced Korolev to adopt the spherical tank design of the N1 in place of the integral common-bulkhead tanks of the Groettrup vehicles.

>>12691416
That means JUICE beats EC to the Jovian System. Based

I know it's technically still the transfer stage but we did it /sfg/. We landed a Chinese rover on Mars.

>>12691443
Having two Jovian moon probes at the same time will be awesome

>>12691450
Don't count the chickens before they are hatched anon

>>12691396
Explosive hydroforming in orbit when?

>>12691457
Absolutely. Also BepiColombo reaching Mercury in 2025 is something to look forward to

>>12691469
>BepisColombo

>>12691416
Based autistic brackets user

>>12691382
Why are modules for space stations built in clean rooms?

I can understanding building probes in clean rooms to reduce contamination of other celestial bodies but what the actual fuck is the utility of building a space station module in one?

If the United States wanted (for whatever reason) to nuke a site on the face of the moon, what rocket in the arsenal would be powerful enough to deliver the warhead all the way there?

>>12691493
so you don't get pencil shavings in the wiring and start a fire in orbit or something

>>12691457
>the telemetry gets mixed up and they start sending maneuvers to the wrong probes

>>12691493
I was thinking about the fungus on MIR the other day and honestly the more I thought of it the more terrifying the thought became. Imagine having that limited amount of space to live and breath and exist and it's slowly being devoured by a creeping, silent fungus.

>>12691502
low iq post

Don't know what made me think of this but remember that time ESA shit its pants and desperately pleaded with SpaceX to move their satellite, and Musk fucking ignored them? lmao

>>12691505
Is problem? Is no problem.

>>12691521
you'll never really get rid of it, though. You'd have to disassemble the whole spacecraft to do that.

what the fuck

>>12691505
It is scary indeed. Breathing its spores, a coating of it permeating everything inside that station. There's mold on ISS too, isn't there? It's not as bad as Mir, of course, but I remember reading about it.

>>12691524
Just keep swabbing the deck.
How many boxes can you fit inside a Cygnus?

>>12691532
honestly the health effects don't scare me as much as "there's another organism and it's competing for resources in your tiny closed system and you will never beat it"

>>12691426
I think it's more political intervention. All this nonsense happened because one congressman decided that he knew better than the planetary science community. I wonder how many million were wasted studying this and the lander. Thankfully he's gone now.

>>12691537
>>12691532
fungus is your friend, it is more like you than those dumb plants are
it even goes to space with you on its own.
We can forget plants and just grow fungus to eat.

>>12691541
I think it's more anti* political intervention.

>>12691543
There is (1) fungus amungus

>>12691416
>FH blows up

>>12691594
>nothing of value was lost
Worst case scenario SpaceX could just offer to send a dedicated Starship station in lieu of Gateway

Does anyone know which orbital rocket was/is the fattest and shortest?

>>12691597
We're talking about Clipper, not Gateway

>>12691597
Can a Starship function as a backup Europa Clipper? I think that's what anon was implying.

>>12691601

>>12691594
Why would it do that?

>>12691606
it's unproven

>>12691602
>>12691603
I am retard. Didn't read the original post. I would assume SpaceX has it insured. But they could honestly just offer to rebuild Europa Clipper themselves for 1/100th the cost and 10x the capability, with a lander. I want to work for the Elon Musk scrapyard probe company

Is the Earth to Earth Starship idea even feasible? They seem way too loud to fly as frequently as planes. Imagine a city having a launch pad just off the coast, and Starships landing and taking off several times a day with that engine noise. People would get sick of it real fast

>>12691524
have you tried adding more alcohol?
just fill it with alcohol and then boil it off

>>12691614
Is it feasible? From a capability standpoint yes. I'll quote Shotwell: "the longest part of the journey would actually be the boat ride out to the dock and back." The only thing that makes it infeasible really is cost of fuel. A price will always be more than a plane unless SpaceX could get methane for dirt cheap, which isn't gonna happen any time soon

>>12691618
>just fill it with alcohol
Gloved Cosmonaut hands typed this post

>>12691624

>>12691601
Length to girth ratio? Atlas or Black Arrow maybe, R-7 was pretty stubby though. This might take some spreadsheeting

>>12691622
I think feasible was the wrong word to use there. I mean more in the sense of "would it pass the noise regulations". Estronaut films the test flights from six miles away and it's still loud as fuck. An airport isn't nearly as noisy unless you're very close to it

I'm really excited to see FH finally come into its own. It being held back by its fairing for so long is a real shame.

>>12691622
just go back to ethanol instead of methane to reduce fuel costs

>>12691630

>>12691614
it's plenty feasible, but I just don't think there's a niche in the market that will ever be comfortable trading their money for time like that.
The only economic class for whom their time is actually worth enough (both in cost and perceived risk of riding a rocket) already have personal jets and shit and would rather fuck prostitutes and do blow on those than be packed in like a sardine on a starship, regardless of how much time it saved.

>>12691505
>the fungus on MIR
links? Whats the fungus eating? Its not like a mold can grow spontaneously or something.

>>12691610
>SLS is proven

>>12691643
kek

>>12691647
MIR had an infamous green slime problem, stinky mold absolutely fucking everywhere

>>12691647
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir#Microbiological_environmental_hazards

Am I right in amusing that Falcon Heavy is to powerful for it's own good? I mean in the sense of putting three of the same rockets together works out for hydrogen (Delta IV Heavy) but not for RP-1. To wit, would Falcon Heavy benefit from a bigger second stage?

>>12691647
It's a famous problem but I can't find any easily-googlable resources on it and I don't want to go digging through scientific papers. My guess would be that there was enough biological particles and food particles floating around that the fungi could thrive. Plus they were likely extremophiles. There were probably hundreds of different spore types onboard that ghetto station, and 99% of them likely died off because they didn't have enough energy. But the ones that did survive probably only needed minimal food to survive, with extremely slow metabolic rates

>2012: SLS will beat Falcon Heavy to orbit!
>2021: SLS w-will beat Starship to orbit

Am i missing something or has no one mentioned spacex getting the Lunar orbit base contract or Shelpy retiring which means SLS is basically doa

>>12691676
No you're right. Would it benefit from a bigger second stage? Of course. But the whole point was to be able to use three cores from what they already had to get a bigass rocket. It also doesn't help that the initial gap in capabilities between F9 and FH were big, bug F9 ended up getting upgraded so much that it has now gotten pretty close to what a FH can do.

>>12691683
We have been talking about it but also keep in mind that people sort of knew Shelby wouldn't run for reelection since last year, and SpaceX getting the lunar orbit contract was already pretty much confirmed. They just formally announced these things this week is all. It was already out in the open for a while though

Could you build a runway on the moon and land things on it horizontally if you used an arresting cable to help slow down?

>>12691633
>>12691601
I was gonna say Athena I or Minotaur IV, but I think Black Arrow has it.

>>12691693
Yeah but it would be sort of useless. It would be easier to cancel out your horizontal velocity with the same engine that is cancelling out your vertical velocity. You would be spending thousands (or millions) on building a runway and cable architecture when you could just burn fuel for like 10 seconds and land normally

>>12691689
ahhh still the fact that we are going to have a station in lunar orbit in just 3 years..... it's really happening huh

>>12691676
if you modified the center core to be air-lit and put some bigger bells on it maybe?

Is it still scheduled to launch tomorrow?

>>12691693
the issue with landing anything on the moon is the dust i would imagine. I'm sure that could be dealt with in time but still.

>>12691712
probably just a static fire tomorrow

>>12691705
Yeah it's pretty cool. Sucks that it will cost a fuckload though. I wonder if Starship and New Glenn had started development in say, 2010, if NASA would still have gone with the Gateway or just decided to do it cheaper and install a Starship/inflatible hab workshop around the Moon instead. Hindsight is always 2020 I guess. They assumed SLS would be the only heavy lift rocket available

>>12691505
Just evacuate the air occasionally
Or pump all the humidity out

>>12691635
>Estronaut films the test flights from six miles away and it's still loud as fuck.
He also uses directional mics to try and pick up on the sounds, so that isn't a fair comparison.
If they have docks out on the ocean for SS to fire away on, the sound won't travel as well over water anyways.

Does anyone know the reasoning behind Starship? Seems like traditional thinking for a Mars mission beforehand was to simply build a booster that could throw shit into LEO and use that to assemble an interplanetary ship with landers attached, instead of starship which seems more like a "one size fits all" approach.

>>12691731
It's meant to be able to squeeze into a good range of roles for a heavy lifter while being mass produced and reusable.
Shit they've already built ten in less than two years, that's lightning fast for rocketry and not even remotely close to the end goal speed.

>>12691731
Reasoning behind starship is to have a one size fits all approach lmao. The original plan was to send Dragons to Mars. But they realized they were perfecting booster flyback, and decided they could just build a new rocket with 2 stages that both are reusable. Saves money, gets more shit to the reddit planet, and looks cool as fuck. Not to mention the fact that it will mog all other rockets if (when) they get it working

>>12691622
Jet fuel is fucking expensive
And a plane might be 200 tons of it
Vs like 1000 tons of liquid methane in the rocket
Probably similar fuel prices

>>12691742
No some anon did the math a long time ago and it surprised me. There's a fuck load of methane in a Starship. It's not really that expensive, but when you add up all the methane and oxygen in a Starship it turns out to be more than the jet fuel in an airplane

How difficult would it be to build a glass dome on Mars? How could they make greenhouse gas-producing factories? They'd need robots, right?

>>12691731
the question he's answering is "what is the fastest and cheapest way to get a bunch of people to Mars". Orbital assembly might be the long-term solution, but the solution with the fewest variables would be building a big chemical rocket on Earth with everything it needs to get there.

>>12691622
LCH4 is a lot cheaper than JP1 or JP2, because JP1/2 have more refinement steps, and SS/Superheavy doesn't need even remotely a full propellant load just to do P2P transits.

>>12691731
turns out that recoverable upper stages that can reenter Earth's atmosphere are not that different from vehicles that can enter Mars' atmosphere, which drastically simplifies your propulsion requirements

>>12691751
How are you transporting your huge panes of glass anon? Or are you going to make them on the surface? If so out of what, in what? How are you getting THAT to the surface?
Not impossible by any means, just requires some heavy problem-solving.

>>12691762
Starship send them en masse in multiple pieces, then the settlers put it together like Ikea furniture.

Fuck jannies

>>12691757
Mars' atmo has like 1/10th the density of Earth's atmo doesn't it? Though i imagine any data they get out of the NASA probe landing in a week will be good since it has a helicopter on board

>>12691746
Oh you know I musta been thinking about RP1, jet fuel is just a bit higher than gas in price

Then again LCH4 cost would drop hard if he’s buying them by the full tanker

>>12691783
the hard part is the fast part, and the fast part happens at roughly similar densities and speeds for Mars interplanetary capture and Earth LEO entry

>>12691783
The only thing that effects is terminal velocity

>>12691321
It astounds me that the tiny little cone near the top of that massive rocket is all that's left at the end of the journey. SpaceX has done so much for the future of space travel with their push for reusability.

>>12691783
No, it’s much thinner than that.

Question: Given rovers are a relatively proven technology (Just build an electric car lmao), why are we not spamming the fuck out of them on the moon or mars? I imagine the cost to send a rover is negligible compared to a person so why are there not hundreds of rovers on the moon right now mapping and mining?

>>12691858
Rover? That'll be 2 billion each pls, also gotta have aluminium wheels and a drill that doesn't work. It'll be ready in 4 years, maybe
t. NASA

>>12691515
maybe that means it's actually a high iq post

>>12691858
NASA makes them and NASA is shit

>>12691858
there's still a cost of time and effort needed to plan for the mission and test everything to perfection.

>Opportunity went 5+ times farther on the surface than Curiosity has so far despite the former being designed for 3 months
Curiosity get your shit together

internal combustion rovers when?

>>12691858
The sensible thing to do would have a single multipurpose template (similar to Curiosity and Perseverance, maybe a 10 unit run of each). "Mass" production would bring the costs down of the actual vehicles and then the expensive thing would be the snap-on science kits. But no, each rover has to be a custom tailor-made hand-crafted piece of over expensive shit.

The really sensible thing to do would be to say fuck robots and to send people there, who could probably accomplish more in a few days of manual exploration than has been accomplished by 20+ years of slow ponderous rovers.

>>12691893
Steampunk rovers when?

>>12691858
Because heavy launch vehicles are still relatively expensive and rover landings are still somewhat dicey (although nowhere near as bad as they once were). Anyways a heavy launch rocket still costs billions. Once Starship drops that to millions you probably will see every single university and government put a rover on the moon or mars just for fun, along with private space telescopes, private research satellites, possibly even private research stations and student astronaughts.

Starship is seriously a ridiculous game changer if it works.

>>12691524
couldn't you just purge all atmosphere in the spacecraft? Obviously after it's been evacuated first

>>12691904
NASA has an open contest to design a steampunk/clockwork rover for Venus going on literally right now.

>>12691910
Easier to just get rid of the atmosphere

>>12691910
>after it's been evacuated
Astronaut is expendable, spacecraft is not, comrade.

Overpressure notices sent out and road closures scheduled for snx tomorrow

>>12691919
that's what I meant by purge

>>12691757
Mars atmosphere is a meme, just ignore it and design your ship for vacuum.

>>12691919
>doesn't know what purge means
Read a dictionary or a thesaurus and expand your vocabulary, brainlet

>>12691925
no, just replace it with vodka

>>12691933
Mars atmosphere is significant enough that you can capture off of it

>>12691919
On...the Earth?
>>12691917
Can I submit someone else's work if they're dead?

>>12691858
The cost of the rocket is exponentially higher, and the rockets are expended, so per every insanely expensive heavy lifter you can only land a single rover.

>>12691942
Only poorfags will do this.
Just do proper burns and get your payload into a low orbit. No need to deal with supersonic chutes.

>>12691955
>supersonic chutes
incorrect, hypersonic aeroshells and heat shields

>>12691416
>OPA
BELTERS GET OUT REEEEEEEE

>>12691966
Gas the belt
system war now

>>12691845
how does this copter manage to fly then?

>>12691986
Very large lift/weight ratio plus extra wide blades.

>>12691986
Weighs little, spins fast. Works in atmospheres of simulated thickness in testing so it should work there

>>12691986
We'll see if it does anon.

>>12691957
>heat shields
No need for this if you come down from a low orbit.

>>12692001
you're not coming in from low orbit, you're coming in from a hyperbolic orbit that's several km/s above escape

>>12692006
And that is absolutely barbaric. You want the opposite: get into a controlled circulat orbit, adjust apoapsis, adjust periapsis, adjust inclination, test all the equipment, and finally once everything is good you deorbit when you choose.

Tianwen is doing this. No landing until May.

>>12692030
dumb bitch you waste sacred propellant doing wasteful godless communist maneuvers

>>12692036
We need to get NASA to have the lander broadcast the old US Army cavalry charge sound on loop as it captures and aerobrakes.

>>12692036
I waste a lot of delta v in KSP doing the same thing

>>12692030
Sounds gay, just shoot at the spot you wanna land from here and be done with it.

>>12692049
Still find it hard to believe someone as pozzed as NASA actually proposed this and seriously went through with it

>>12691949
Yes

>>12692049
polar launch single burn direct mars insertions when bros?

>>12692036
You might deorbit by aerobraking but you can't nail the landing point.
Controlled descent is orders of magnitude more accurate.

>>12692057
increase your hypersonic L/D with flappy bits and then rotate

>>12692049
>The Virgin Low Orbit and controlled descent onto a carefully prepared landing site
VS
>The Chad yeet that shit vaguely in the direction of the target and hyper sonic aerocapture straight onto a landing site

>>12692049
JPL is actually pretty based and I respect the fact that they have the balls to still do Kerbal shit

>>12691342
It won't be Thursday but yes

>>12692076
That's because all the actually intelligent, motivated space nerds wind up at JPL while the political appointees, old space boomers, over paid engineers, and other assorted trash, wind up in human space flight because it's more "prestigious."

Discuss the proont
>>12692078
>>12692078
>>12692078

>>12692099
Looks like a tenga fucktoy. Would not inhabit 3/10

>>12691321
Outer space isn’t real retards
https://www.bitchute.com/video/9rOwlRSDUabh/

>>12692104
>20 second long intro
Retard

Not sure what I'm seeing but it looks like spacex is polishing the rust off the welds now

>>12692113
>completely ignores the substance of the video
Nervous already I see

>>12692117
>20 second long intro
Retard

>>12692120
>repeated ad hominems
The globehead is getting scared

>>12692104
Don't you have some paint to huff somewhere?

>>12692099
Prefab Martian concrete building blocks with 18th century colonial aesthetics is far superior

>>12692126
Dance for me globetard

>>12692124
>20 second long intro
not watching that shit

>>12692129
>Pirates of Utopia Planitia
I need it

>>12692129
>prefab
Are you retarded? That kills your payload capabilities. Especially when you can just print regolith concrete

>>12692158
Yes, you print them on site and stack them like legos or culverts, that way you can change the configuration or plan for future expansion
Martian skyscrapers, not ugly butplugs

>>12692114
elon no

>>12692169
Why are you adding extra equipment and difficulty to the build? Because you dont like the look?

>>12692114
Yeah methinks they saw this going differently in their head

>>12692114
looks like stretch marks

>>12692114
is this the /sfg/ equivalent of that one time you tried shaving your balls when you were 12

>>12692169
Also you would have to seal that

>>12692177
That piece of equipment could pump out sections to expand a city or build new ones as opposed to littering the landscape with dildos

>>12692114
Yikes, where is this part supposed to go?

>>12692201
Nothing some concrete and plastic retaining liner couldn't deal with

>>12692204
The trash

>>12691683
SLS wont retire until Starship gets proven and flown to orbit. SpaceX/Elon hopes it happens this year. The seeds are already there, once SN10/SN11 makes proper landing, they'll be chosen for NASA's HLS. SpaceX is the wild card and NASA wants a robust landing before they hand SpaceX the win because there's still some resistance from SLS/Boeing/Lockheed/BlueOrigin supporters. If Starship makes a proper landing, I think the SLS's deathknell would be rung then.

>>12692222
The landing is inevitable but I don't think it will influence their HLS choice. NASA probably knows Starship will fly no matter what. Everything else you said is correct though. Also checked

>>12692222
ALPACA is still number 1 in my heart for HLS desu

>>12692229
>detachable balls

>>12692229
It's lovely. And BTFO's the stupid Gnat Team lander. If NASA doesn't go with Starship HLS do you guys think SpaceX will still build it anyways?

>>12692229
ALPACA is the best cheap option that could be flying within a few years.

>>12692240
Starship HLS is a meme, Musk just took what he was already making for a different mission and rendered it on the moon.
If they can get rid of the top feeder tank on Starship I could see them turning the base of it into a decent lander but as it stands it has to be retardedly tall.

>TONIGHT, on /sfg/
>Hammond sucks off an official from the FAA to get flight clearance
>James May gets stuck in orbit around Phobos
>And I ruin India's dreams of reaching Mars

>>12692249
>retardedly tall
can't u just tip it over?

>>12692114
>>12692204
SN16 aft I believe

>>12692249
The height doesn't matter when an astronaut could easily hoist themselves and a few hundred kilograms of equipment with a little hand-crank geared winch.

>>12692251
Then you need engines and legs on the side for landing making it very asymmetrical and hard to keep balanced.

>>12692265
It does when the landing pad isn't level concrete.

>>12692270
no I mean like it lands vertically but the astronauts give it a shove. with a pole or something idk

>>12692270
They've already said it needs self-leveling legs

>>12692203
So could the printer, also you seem to be stuck on the AI Spacefactory design, 3D printing can make a lot of things.
>>12692209
>extra prefab work for no reason
This is on mars anon, its not going to be the same as building in Kentucky.

>>12692222
SLS is paid for for 4 launches. By that time starship will be flying missions

>>12692294
I'm impressed NASA has the money for 3 launches, 2 launches are going to be pretty expensive.

>>12692197
ew yeah they do.
>>12692114
downgrade imo.

>>12692114
am I the only one who thinks the welds look good?

>>12692222
I highly doubt the starship HLS will be picked for anything

>>12692265
>hand-crank geared winch
you press the fucking elevator button like a civilized human being and an electric motor lifts you to the penthouse suite

Alright, how do we build a satellite like this that can maintain a large enough magnetosphere and maintain its position at Mars' L1?

>>12692114
The power of the Mexican welders

CRABS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on-e614tag

>>12692411
The heck am I looking at?

>>12692419
>Explanation: It somehow survived an explosion that would surely have destroyed our Sun. Now it is spins 30 times a second and is famous for the its rapid flashes. It is the Crab Pulsar, the rotating neutron star remnant of the supernova that created the Crab Nebula. A careful eye can spot the pulsar flashes in the featured time-lapse video, just above the image center. The video was created by adding together images taken only when the pulsar was flashing, as well as co-added images from other relative times. The Crab Pulsar flashes may have been first noted by an unknown woman attending a public observing night at the University of Chicago in 1957 -- but who was not believed. The progenitor supernova explosion was seen by many in the year 1054 AD. The expanding Crab Nebula remains a picturesque expanding gas cloud that glows across the electromagnetic spectrum. The pulsar is now thought to have survived the supernova explosion because it is composed of extremely-dense quantum-degenerate matter.

>>12692423
>degenerate crabs
FUCKING RUST USERS

>>12692377
Very carefully

>https://youtu.be/t1tsU3Se6GM
Reminder that NASA admitted they were boing focused.

>>12692482
To be fair when Starliner was announced Boeing was still a prestigious name with their reputation degrading only in recent years. So it makes sense that they had that leeway, since NASA still assumed that the 1980s Boeing and the 2010s Boeing were still the same company.

>>12692363
Why does it look like the top was cut off?

24 HOURS FROM NOW AT MIDNIGHT TOMORROW, THE NEXT STARLINK LAUNCH IS TO TAKE PLACE
AUGURIES WILL BE TAKEN AND A GOAT SACRIFICED FOR GOOD FORTUNES FROM MERCURY

THIS LAUNCH UPDATE WAS PROVIDED BY THE BORING COMPANY
TRUE ROMAN HOLES FOR TRUE ROMANS

>>12691328
Kilopower is dead because of bullshit "proliferation concerns", NASA is only allowed to use low enrichment uranium from now on

>>12692541
Kek

>>12692557
>contractors screaming in the distance

>>12692549
How are there proliferation concerns about something so secure and small in quantity? Retarded

>>12692557
Well it will get to Mars at least

>>12692541
>TRUE ROMAN HOLES FOR TRUE ROMANS
HOC EST FORAMINIS. HOC FACTVM EST MIHI.

>>12692495
true

>>12692572
Actually with a Super Heavy and two Falcon cores you could probably go direct ascent to Mars with a shitload of payload in that fairing. Keep in mind Falcon Heavy all by itself has 2/3 the thrust of SLS Block 1, and SuperHeavy is... slightly more powerful than F9 as a center core.

>>12692567
yeah I know, it's fucked
fucking up the nuclear engine they're trying to build too

>>12692541
Fuck off Flavious, mars belongs to woden and the germanic peoples

>>12692557
>RP-1
>Methalox
>Hydrolox
>Hypergolic fuels
Managing this shit on the pad would be a pain in the neck lmao

>>12691450
inb4 the Mars curse strikes again

>>12691450
I hope it crashes and destroys everything

>>12692597
the planet's named Mars, not fucking Baldur or whatever. fuck off germanigger

>>12691450
>We
wait what

>>12692597
Kek remember that time Germany banned coffee? Or launched itself into 2 futile wars against the rest of the world? Romans weren't the best, but trying to push this German angle is just embarrassing

>>12692627

The second time Germany came within a fucking inch of smashing the global banking and debt slavery system forever.

>>12692609
It would be TYR or TIW and it's only named mars because the kike controlled roman empire wormed its way into pop culture.

>>12692597
>G*rmans
>People
Pick one and only one

>>12692549
Proliferation concerns are one of the big justification for 50 years of shitting on nuclear power

>>12692549
>>12691328
Kilopower is gay shit anyway why do you even care about it.

>>12692507
because it was

>>12692636
>thinking Germanic means just the Germans
The Anglo Saxons conquered the world.

>>12692632
But they failed and we’re in Hellworld until the controllers get bored and sacrifice everyone to Satan

Bye bye SLS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Clipper

>>12692632
>Smash global banking by instituting central planning which then inspired every single developed nation to become even more of an oligarchic nightmare by allowing the elite to directly plan the economy to benefit exclusively themselves.
Wow, great fucking job, the skinheads somehow managed to take a system which was badly fucked and make it even worse.

>>12692648
>these people tried to stop bad thing
>thus they must be responsible for bad thing

lol nice logic

>>12692661
Never said they were responsible

As much as I want to spend hours shitposting about Germany let’s keep on topic.
What has the ESA been doing recently?

>>12692657
Educate yourself on NSDAP economic policy you ape nigger.

>>12692664
Thinking about getting “diverse” astronauts, even cripples.

>>12692664
I think they're finally building the service modules for Orion capsules now.

>>12692667
Your pet tyranny is literally one of the modern progenitors of the centrally planned "command" type economy. All they ever accomplished was to give the corrupted democracies of the world an excuse to prosecute nationalists, and to invent new economic tools that have allowed the further degeneration of every developed nation's economy.
All socialists of every stripe should be airlock'ed without trial.

>>12692664
Jannies are fucking us and threads are already being ruined thanks to influx of redditors, newfags and furries. who cares.

Orion VS Dragon 2
DEBATE

>>12692676
>ancap spergout rant

yeah, checks out

>>12692676
Nazi Germany was a mixed economy, not a centrally planned economy. Plenty of private business.

>>12692680
Dragon 2 is lighter, has the same effective lack of a main engine unless you count ICPS (which you fucking shouldn't), fits on much cheaper rockets, and is all around a better spacecraft.

>>12692377
https://medium.com/our-space/an-artificial-martian-magnetosphere-fd3803ea600c

This guy did the math. I have no idea whether it's accurate or not, so it would be nice to get another opinion on this.

>>12692676
NSDAP was not centrally planned except for key giant mega companies like rheinmetall. Did you copy paste this little tantrum from some faceberg boomer?

>>12692684
>Literal mutt economy

Any chance we will ever get a human in orbit around Venus anytime soon-ish? It should be easier to pull off before the trip to Mars, yes? We need good footage of other planets to inspire the public.

>>12692676
Enjoy getting fucked in the ass by megacorps, this is the free market you chose.

>>12692632
instead they fucked up so bad that 50% of germans born after the war have Russian dna, second place is first loser

SN10 WILL BE THE FIRST SUCCESSFUL LANDING

>>12692667

Nice central bank nazi germany had. They sure did know how to write a lot of IOUs to pay for stuff, like a fucking army to seize shit to pay their debt with.

>>12692718
A STATE OWNED central bank with currency backed by German labour? What debts were they needing to repay exactly? and to who? No, don't bother answering because you don't have the first clue what you are talking about.

>>12692725

It's simple, they used IOUs to pay the industrialists for their products, like tanks. Indebting the german state to individual germans, except the industrialists had no way of challenging the state so if the war was never launched Germany would have had to pick a side and screw somebody over, either the capitalists or the tax payers. But the whole plan involved conquering shit to avoid that shitstorm anyways.

>>12692743
I don't even know how to respond to this totally inaccurate critique of the system.

>>12692757

Well OK, then.

>>12692743
>so if the war was never launched Germany would have had to pick a side and screw somebody over

Why would the average german citizen ever feel the need to to try to claim on their hypothetical IOUs when they are enjoying such a massive boon is quality of life, wages and general society? In fact when has ANY central bank ever felt the need to pay the IOUs? The whole fucking point is that they don't because those IOUs are backed by something, in this case the labour of the german worker who is happy with the conditions in the country.

>except the industrialists had no way of challenging the state
>doesn't know about the german workers front
>pretends to have a knowledgeable opinion on NSDAP economics and politics

lmao...

>>12692784

The IOUs were to the industrialists, not the citizens. Sure, the state COULD just decide to not pay the industrialists back, or it could raise taxes to pay the industrialists back, or it could just print money like you suggested. But does Nazi germany really want to go back to inflated currency like in the Weimar days?

>>12692805
I’d rather go Strasser and, uh, relocate the industrialists

>>12692805
>The IOUs were to the industrialists

what crack are you smoking, the currency was borrowed against the value of german labour

IOU

and used to pay for shit

>>12692815
>communism, but edgier
cool beans

>>12692831
Cooperatives are generally superior to corporations according to empirical data.

>>12692831
communism without jews has potential

>>12692841
Cooperatives generate social trust between their members, which surely makes them good for the Volk

>>12692627
Germanic people is not the same as Germans, Scandinavians, central Europeans, French and the English are all Germanic.

>/space flight germanic/
every fucking time

>>12692860
America is Germanic !

>>12692677
>jannies go fucking apeshit if you make a thread on page 9 instead of page 10
>entire thread devolves into /pol/ circlejerk and jannies do nothing
Killing communists is self defense and Nazis are just insecure, edgy commies.

reminder that all "german" posters are race mixed american trailer trash

>>12692860
>>12692863
Based

>>12692866
>nazis are commies

Why don't we just get the nazis and put them into an O'Neil cylinder and send them off to their own containment-board system so we can leave each other alone forever?

>>12691505
>the fungus on MIR
son...

>>12692897
why don't you you go back to rebbit?

>>12692866
You got the entire Janny story wrong, the politics always breaks out during late night hours on /sfg/ and has been instituted through tradition, and I'm pretty sure you just said communists and nazis are the same thing
https://youtu.be/iA_zo3u8kRs

>>12692908

OK then, don't colonize space. More room for space communists and space-anarcho-capitalists and space-liberals I guess.

>>12692914
sorry sweaty, independent minded white men are going to be the only ones colonising space. Commies are too busy shitting themselves over the representation at their local starbucks and ancaps would cry about the local station governor trying to keep shit in order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo

>>12692927
>US Space Force in action, 2045, colorised

>>12692129
can we please pick an aesthetic for Mars now and go for uniformity and harmony before the first settlement becomes a gigantic eye-sore?

>>12692939
>no mole people tunnel city

literally ngmi, although neolithic is kino.

>>12692676
>All socialists of every stripe should be airlock'ed without trial.
Yes.

>>12692620
>he doesn't know that China is a puppet state of 4chan

>>12692680
ORION vs STARLINER
DEBATE

>>12692939

>>12692939
brutalist and bauhaus mars

>>12692939

Total Recall.

>>12692939
THERE IS ONLY ONE AESTHETIC

>>12692967
Both failed attempts at "cheap" launch options. Orion is intrinsically better though because it is designed for deep space, and is made by LockMart which is slightly above Boeing

>>12692976
Yeah, the terminal cancer aesthetic

>>12692939

>>12692972
throw in a bit of deconstructivism and parametricism too, then you'll have the perfect martian aesthetic

>>12692976
Why would you place them so far apart?

>>12693005
for exercise to keep the astronauts healthy :)

>>12693005
To maximize territorial claim

>>12693005
In that picture aesthetic. However it could have tunnels in between them or underground infrastructure. It could be just for safety and it could be for building non habitat structures around the habs.

>>12692939

>>12692976
>>12693005
There is a thread on this right now
>>12692078
>>12692078
>>12692078

why are we bothering building all this shit to send tons of colonists to mars when we could just send a pregnant woman in a box and have her print the colonists?

>>12693023
>an entire planet raised by 1 (one) lonely isolated unemployed single mother

>>12693020
How much does a Prufrock weigh?

>>12693027
haha no thats definitely not my fetish :)

>>12693034
A lot less than sending endless shipments of polymers to print buttplugs.

>>12693045
That doesn't help.

Interesting thread for those that don’t check the catalog. Wish I saw it earlier
>>12680024

Soviet space gun, same design that fired on Almaz 2.

>>12693047
If you want to maximise entirely ISRU resources for pressurised and rad free space, you bite the bullet for a TBM, cant be more than a few hundred tonnes split up into components.

If you want to endlessly send starships filled with polymers to slowly print tiny not rad proof buttplugs then you send a proonter.

>>12693023
Because others want to go, also a city without fathers is just going to look like Detroit.

Wow
https://youtube.com/shorts/iG-ndHIBPXg

>>12693072
The people's rocket.

"HUMANS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this star system before. There could be HUMANS anywhere." The solar wind felt good against his leathery chest. "I HATE HUMANS" he thought. Andromedian Ritual Chants reverberated his entire flying saucer, making it pulsate even as the nine credit acid circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of humans after cycle. "With a flying saucer, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.

>>12693072
Can't wait for SN10 to stick the landing.

>>12693102
Based

>>12693102
Bros when I try to conceptualise the scale of the universe I freak the fuck out. Is this normal?

>>12693128
Yes. That just means you're a normie.

>>12693128
Nah it’s normal. The creator of the universe is just trying to put us in our place

>>12693128
normie syndrome

>>12692939
Gothic revival or neoclassical

>martian neolithic revival

>>12693153
if this isn't what happens i will start throwing rocks

>>12692939
>that complete loss of soul in everything after national romantic

>>12693186
Art deco is still based

>>12693187
I will give you that but everything else is a blight on all culture

>>12692939
googie is the future of mars

>>12692939
>>12693186
I honestly think all of them can be done well. The issue with the more modern ones is that the people who invented and make use of them are just incapable architects all around. Anything they create would look sub-par regardless of the architectural style they chose.
Most stuff from Baroque through to Chicago School is still nice though.

>>12693187
It is absolutely not.

>>12693210
I hate typically am not on board with the modern reactionary traditionalism which pervades this place, but there is nothing good to be said for modern architecture. Not only is it inseparable from the insipid people who create it, by its very nature each iteration of it is its own special snowflake ego stroking project. You simply cannot make something as garish or stupid as modern architecture with older styles as the existence of convention forces coloring in the lines as it were.

>>12693195
It's actually not bad desu, retrofuturism is underrated

Reposting for the final time now that the dust has settled.
( Posts on the moons color )
>>12690986
>>12690978

Mars moving closer to earth, but here mars is described as a star rather than a planet

Translated:
"EARTH PASSES THE WARGODS STAR"
"Earths nearest neighbor Mars is currently approaching earth, and on the 7th of september it'll be "only" 56 million kilometres away. The next time it'll be as close will be in fifteen years. Scientist all around the globe are ready with modern experiments to measure and photograph the rays coming form Mars and it's white coloured polar regions

>>12691342
>Starship 55m
I know they don't mean diameter
BUT IMAGINE

>>12693259
Translated:
Mars' apparent relative size in the years 1948-1963.
Looking at this picture one may understand, why the surface features of Mars are easiest to study during this opportune time of 1959.
Indicated in each Mars-circle is also the apparent circumference in arc-seconds. The small circle in the middle shows Mars' apparent size while on the opposite side of the earth.
(Picture on the right)
Mars' physical similarities to earth, as well as the long debated artificial canals on the surface have given way to imagination of highly developed life on Mars. Pictured is a french astronomer Flammarione's concept of a Martian human, with large lungs and large ears, due to the thin atmosphere of Mars, and an organ of "the sixth sense" in the middle of their forehead

>>12693272
>this opportune time of 1959.
fuck it's actually 1956

>>12693239
afrofuturist mars when?

>>12693186
International and post-modern are at least not ugly
brutalist is at least functional

>>12693286
Will Sun Ra be piped through the tannoys?

>>12692939
Gothic or Gothic revival would be my preference, though I wouldn't mind different populations centres going for different styles, as long as each is internally consistent.

so when's spoonnoodle ten going to do the thing

What's the current /biz/ speculation on how to indirectly invest in SpaceX?

>>12693465
don't

>>12693465
Invest in Starlink.

personal recreational martian terraforming nukes when?

>>12693313
Possible static fire soon, though with scrubX it'll probably be next month before another hop

somebody found the SN8 fore flap on a truck outside LA

aaaaaaaaaa heat shield tiles are so sexy

muh dick

>>12693536
uooooohhhhhhh heat shield erotic ToT ToT

>>12693537
>>12693536
bruh even those things out

>>12691686
>F9 ended up getting upgraded so much that it has now gotten pretty close to what a FH can do
Cat at least some of those upgrades be transferred to FH?

>>12693465
Alphabet shares on become an accredited investor

>>12693536
>>12693537
that is CLEAN

>>12693547
they have

>SN10 might actually fly today
I've been out of the loop for a while but if true that's fucking fast.

>>12693465
hop on Starlink ASAP. The amount of seething the rest of the industry is doing shows how disruptive it is going to be.

>>12693583
wait what

>>12693583
excuse me what?
when have they made their static fire?

>>12692939
Art Deco for me

>an ISS module bolted to a geostationary satellite bus that has had its comm payload replaced with moar thrusters
is this cool or lame

>>12693589
It's not even public yet.

>>12692423
>Now it is spins 30 times a second
Don't you mean "the delayed feed is showing it spinning 30 times a second, which was happening X thousands of years ago"? Astronomy is pretty much archeology in space.

>>12693599
ASAP = as soon as possible, anon, ie not now

this surprised me, but the remains of SN9

>>12693608
shockingly intact

>>12693624
yeah

>>12693608
Looks like something an intern with a bicycle tire pump could reinflate.

>>12693670
the endcaps are blown off (visible on the left side) and there's a big rip on the right side

staticfire when?

>>12693608
easily survivable

>>12693676
Probably today or tomorrow.

>>12693672
I'm sure Juan, Jorge and the rest of the fabrication team can buff it out and weld it back together, good as new.

>>12693547
They have, and FH is so powerful that very few payloads need that amount of power. I believe the biggest problem is the fairing size, it's too small for what it can do.
However, iirc, SX won a contact to launch top secret sats, and part of the contract was to help fund a new fairing design.

>>12693683
They'll put it in the "well used" bin afterwards.

>>12693691

yes, and the Lunar Gateway contract will also use the new extended fairing, which will be a sweet $330 mil altogether. Probably the first time that the Falcon heavy will really be put to full use.

>>12693698
why the fuck is that fairing taking so long

>>12693691
the end of the tech tree for Falcon 9 is crossfeed Falcon Heavy recovering the side boosters on drone ships and expending the center core, with an enlarged fairing
only the expanded fairing and double droneship sidecore landing will be used though

>>12693683
I wonder to what extent they recycle any of the crashed starships

>>12693700
SpaceX are pulling a ULA with regards to further development of the Falcon 9 platform and only doing work that they're explicitly payed for, all the internal R&D work is focused on Starship

>>12693608
>>12693624
>>12693670
The big disconnect people don't know, is when SN8/9 landed, it wasn't so much an explosion as it was just a large fireball.
Explosions are when the contents under pressure combust and push outward with force. When 8/9 landed, the meth/ox was under pressure and shot out from it's own compression. It ignited after shooting into the air.
Musk touched on this in his post-dragon abort test way back when they did a live abort demo for dragon. The F9 burst into a fireball behind dragon. It wasn't an explosion, and musk said the dragon could survive being in the flames.

>>12693700

a fairing is a surprisingly complex piece of tech, it's not just plastic, it's carbon fibre and has to do temperature control etc.

apart from that, there just isn't demand for the full capacity of the FH. the problem isn't that there arent uses for larger satellites/stations etc, but it takes external companies to order and build them. kinda link how there were fewer launches in 2019 than 2018; SpaceX had launched so many that the satellite market didn't keep up.

>>12693703
Being primarily made out of sheet steel, I imagine they just cut them up, chuck them in the back of a dump truck and send them off to a local scrap merchant. Cheaper and easier than trying to salvage anything.

>>12693691
>However, iirc, SX won a contact to launch top secret sats, and part of the contract was to help fund a new fairing design.
Neat if true. While Starship will absolutely be the workhorse of the nearest future, FH can start laying the foundations while it is still figuring out tiles, landing and so forth.

>>12693536
>>12693537
They still need a second color.
>>12693701
>expending the center core
That's what happened to most F9H flights anyhow, right? So might as well.

>nobody is working today
sounds about right. that winter storm is here and its fucking cold.

>>12693744
>cold

-24c here for the whole week.

>>12693749
cold is relative. schools here are closing because its too cold.

>>12693744
Not just fucking cold, but holy fucking shit cold. The last time San Antonio has a winter blast this bad was 1985 when it snowed 13 inches. Now they're talking that it may not even go above freezing Sunday or Monday. Even one day without a thaw is rare as hell here. And that's 200-ish miles north of BC.

>>12693743
expending the center core takes Falcon Heavy from "very pretty and kinda pointless" to "yeetstick"
it's only relevant in an arena of expendable rockets, true reusability will render it pointless

>>12693604
Dont be pedantic.

>>12693186
I still like art deco and googie

>>12693743
>That's what happened to most F9H flights anyhow,
Not really. Most of them just failed to land. One of them succeeded but tipped over because of seas

>>12693782
rough seas*

>>12692423
How is it possible for it to spin thirty times per second? Is it just absolutely tiny? I know neutron stars are like the size of Mount Everest, but even so, wouldn't spinning that fast mean its outer layers would going at fractions of the speed of light?

>>12693676
Today, then people will say that debris got into the engines and need a replacement next week.
Hop in 3-4 weeks

anon, come on, we're waiting

>>12693788
yep the outer layer spins at relativistic speed, that's the whole point, a pulsar is caused by magnetic perturbation in material moving at relativistic speed

>>12693782
That was my point, they've had such bad luck recovering center cores that they might as well yeet with them.

>>12693788

they're 10km or so across, so they have a circumference of 31km or so. spinning at 30 times a second is 930 km/s, which is ~0.1% the speed of light. still incredibly fast though; its because it retains the angular momentum of the star at its full size; like a ballerina bringing their limbs in as they pirouette, the rentention of angular momentum causes its rotation speed to increase as the matter falls.

>>12693803
>>12693817
What the fuck?

>>12693828
Universe is craycray

>Finally beat "Vesta Overkill" in CoaDE
Space warfare is hard.

So what happens if Elon manages to send people to Mars, only to realize how unrealistic it is to keep people there without killing them? Are they forced to just come back?

>>12693901
he uses infinite starlink money to become emperor of the solar system

>>12693901
The killings will stop when Mars is colonized, sweaty. Don't like it? Stay on Earth.

trans-mars degeneracy

>>12693536
fuel whicking would have been sexier

>>12693989
yeah but pipes are heavy

>>12693989
maintenance nightmare
>crash investigation reveals we lost the craft due to a blocked pore

>>12693997
due to rocket acne

>>12693999
>>12693997
>rocket zits

>>12693999
we should have seen the crash coming when ship started growing his hair and listening to emo

>>12694008
>it was an accidentally successful suicide all along

>>12693901
>>12693907
>>12693932
Colonizing Mars would kill most settlers, just like when they colonized the new world.

>>12694034
time tends to do that, yes
it will take centuries to colonize mars and every single original settler will be dead before it's finished

>The upcoming Virgin Galactic $SPCE test spaceflight is on for Saturday (Feb. 13), according to a FAA temporary flight restriction filed today, with a two day window opening at 9 a.m. ET (14:00 UTC)
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1359887598349676545
https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_1_3079.html

>>12694036
i love her feet

Saudi Space Commission Reviews Plans for Exploration Missions to Mars, Moon
>The Saudi Space Commission is reviewing the track of work put into sending exploratory missions to both the Moon and Mars. Concerned authorities in the kingdom have prepared several programs for building national cadres and expanding investment in the space field.
>Commission Chairman Prince Sultan bin Salman bin Abdulaziz announced that the agency completed all stages of its establishment and concluded many partnerships and agreements both locally and internationally.
https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/2798586/saudi-space-commission-reviews-plans-exploration-missions-mars-moon

>>12694034
We're all dying in our chairs slowly, why not die someplace more interesting?

>>12694070
>Prince
That whole part of the world is weird as fuck.