/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12686242
More money wasted in an international dick size contest no one really cares about except those special interest groups thinking about planetary mining rights and space supremacy.

First for Zubrin snorting

SAY IT WITH ME:

We CAN terraform Mars
We WILL terraform Mars

>>12686242
Moment of silence for ExoMars 2020.

>>12686260
this is so fucking cringe

>Page 6
>Did not link to previous thread
fucking newfags

>>12686265
STFU Mars will be GREEN

>>12686255
UAE did it to inspire their people to work towards a new, scientifically-enabled era.
China is doing it to kick off their planetary exploration programme.
USA is just continuing its existing Mars programme.
The timing for these is so close due to them using the same launch window. Another one will open in 2022.

>>12686265
This. Normies can't be allowed on mars

>>12686260
>on Earth mans digs fuel out of the ground and burns it for 100 years
>gets 100 ppm

But hey terraform mars without billions of people living there magic

>>12686242
Were doing this shit all wrong, because we're consumed by greed and securing as much funding as possible.

The correct way to do this would be to send 1,000 cubesats all over the solar system, and not giving a shit if a bunch fail because we would send so many to explore every area of our solar system.

At this rate we'll know if there's life on the outer moons by 2100+ if we're lucky.

We could figure this out within 5 years if we truly wanted to.

Good thread OP :)

>>12686308
1,000+ cubesats, that can release 10+ surface transmitters each, that can transmit to a network of 10+ relay sats back to earth

Be honest, will the final model actually look anything like this?

if this thread even stays up, previous thread:
>>12683881

>>12686338
No

>>12686279
>UAE did it to inspire their people to work towards a new, scientifically-enabled era.
Don't be naive. The idea arose right after ISRO got a huge amount of good press over their Mars mission. It is literally just another emirati vanity project.

>>12686338
I expect them to redesign the bottom part for ITS style legs

>>12686338
Any design is good for exploding

What is the context of the we gaan meme I always see in the launch threads

>>12686260
That’s a pretty dumb way of saying Venus and Mars will be green
>”Emperor Elon, get those shipments of Marsweed ready. Mercurybros built some L1 magsats and we should pay them. Also, we’re dumping some of our atmosphere over there soon.”

>>12685880
>>12685874
Can I get a commission of Krystal riding in a SpaceX Dragon?
Fully clothed, of course in the SpaceX flight suit. I'm not a degenerate.

>>12686491
Lurk more

>>12686260
>plants produce super greenhouse gasses
That's an overly verbose way of saying braapfactory

>>12686514
Better luck here, this is not the place

>>>/trash/36137701
Also,
>Not Fay or Miyu

Venus scares me.

The sounds it makes, the volcanos, the thunder storms in its skies. It seem so Earth-like, yet so alien at the same time. It gives me this feeling that it's alive. As if something is hiding beyond its thick yellow smog, which conceals it from view. It's like the planet doesn't want you there and will do everything it can to kill you. Mars seems so mellow in comparison.

Something lurks on Venus. I don't like it.

It really sucks to see other countries fully grasp the social good that space aspirations has while the US has grown numb to it because it has been on top so long.

>>12686533
big pussy energy

>>12686533
The universe belongs to mankind, as the God-Emperor dictates

>>12686533
>haha my veanus weenus of course! :D

>>12686540
>>12686542
>>12686550
There is something alive on Venus.

>>12686500
>Aliens fucked up the carbinator

>>12686546
>monopoly behavior
Literally every single thing Amazon has ever done is "monopoly behavior'.

>>12686533
>>12686553
Women live there.

What the fuck is up with Venus honestly? Why is its magnetic field such shit? It's got to have something to do with the internal structure, specifically the core. Why would it be so different compared to Earth?

>>12686564
>>12686553
imagine the smell

TURKEY INTO SPACE
INSHALLAH LANDING ON THE MOON BY 2023!

https://twitter.com/tuajans/status/1359191743695060999?s=20

Will it crash this time?

>>12686565
Venusians never had Teslas so they fucked up thier climate

>>12686572
will what crash

>>12686571
Based, I love the Turks

>>12686577
SN10

>>12686572
With no survivors

>>12686580
oh, give it a couple months to warm up

>>12686308
As much as I like cubesats that shit wouldn't work because you need a huge as fuck signal relay to communicate with anything past Mars. That's why the Voyagers, Juno, Cassini, and New Horizons, all had those giant fucking signal dishes on them. And even then most of those spacecraft were transmitting in like 20bits per minute or some shit. That's why it took literally months to download all the data from those missions. A signal picture can take hours to send back to Earth. The only way the cube sat idea would work is if you also put some giant fucking signal relays around the gas giants or something.

>>12686260
I hope someone cracks life extensions soon just so I can watch terraformers fail through the centuries

>>12686590
It’s more an issue with low power supply than dish sizes

>>12686597
lmao

>>12686590
It makes way more sense for the outer planets to build big dumb probes that make Galileo and Cassini look like cubesats, with deployable RTG-powered comm antennas the size of a Mentor or Orion satellite and imaging capabilities on par with a KH-11 or LACROSSE, and yeet them out to the outer planets using Starship and a massive kick stage.

>>12686571
INSALLAH

>>12686599
You need more power AND a bigger dish.

>>12686619
If you have a 100 kw nuclear reactor, then dish size is irrelevant

>>12686260
I feel like in the hundred years that it would take to get to step 2, some better and less time-intensive terraforming technology would be invented. Also, this picture doesn't take into account that Mars has no magnetic field so even if we somehow got to step 3 it would all be blown away by the Sun in a century.

>>12686613
And unlike the fucking JPL you standardize the design using some sort of modular customizable sensor architecture and mass-produce them by the dozens so that the per-unit cost drops down to be about the same as buying a widebody airliner.

>>12686625
I like where this is going

>>12686571
You know it's a good plan when they got the Wallace and Gromit style rocket cartoon as their lander.

>>12686631
That's why you build the lagrange point-based artificial magnetic field generator. That part honestly might be the easiest part of the whole terraforming scheme.

>>12686260
>Green Mars

No. Mars will be red, bright fucking red. A forge world that glows with nuclear powered everything. We’ll smash asteroids into the surface to scoop up the good bits, we’ll dump waste into open pits, we’ll exhaust fumes straight to atmosphere. All to create the machinery of the future far from the garden that Earth will become. Terraforming is a pipe dream and a complete waste of Mars potential.

>>12686659
Factory kikes like you waste the potential of a decently habitable world just to fuel your hateboner for life
Mercury is a forge world, Mars will be a green world

>>12686590
Thats why you build a relay network of like 10 relay sats from Earth to Jupiter, a true deep space relay network

>>12686565
We'll never know unless we can find a way to get some long term seismometers working on Venus and that doesn't seem likely any time soon. Even if the heat and pressure issues are solved that planet resurfaces and is fairly geologically active, so your seismometers are going to get weathered away pretty quick.

But I suspect it's a combination of:
Venus fuckes up rotation, it probably doesnt have as a big a core as Earth because Earth likely ate and consumed a Mars size proto planet (which is why Earth has a massive core), and the fact that Venus doesnt have a large moon tidally heating the planet.

I suspect in general most terrestrial planets die off in 4-5 billion years simply from their cores going solid. Earth is an absolute outlier in our own system for still being geologically active and warm (and not an ice ball sub surface ocean tidally heated moon).

It's actually my preferred "great filter" for the Fermi paradox. I suspect that the overwhelming majority of planets, even those in the habitable zone, are only fit for life for an extremly short period, far too short for the development of complex life, let alone intelligent life. I think Earth meets a crazy specific set of criteria that is going to be astronomically rare.

>>12686679
Lascom satellites are the only good way for long distance communications

>>12686491
Gonna spoon-feed you because I hate niggers who say lurk moar. It's a recording of the KLM pilot in the Tenerife disaster. Instead of waiting for the next plane to get off the runway, the pilot said "we gaan" and took off to heaven.

>>12686242
Can someone help me do some math? I’m trying to figure out the cost of doing rideshares VS riding on an Electron/LauncherOne rocket.

Electron costs $7.5 Million for 300 kilograms to a sun synchronous orbit. LauncherOne is $12 million for 500 kilograms. A Falcon 9 is $50 Million for like 15000 kilograms.

A Falcon 9 with 2 ESPA rings can carry 12 300 kilogram payloads into an SSO at a cost of $55ish million (assuming the rings cost something). That’s under $4.6 Million for each of the payloads. It totally BTFO’s Electron and LauncherOne.

>>12686685
Thanks I assumed it had something to do with the KLM crash. I just didn't know the connection with the pilot saying that phrase. I never go on /sfg/ but I check out the launch threads and I just wanted to get in on the joke

>>12686688
Smallsat launchers can do dedicated orbits while F9 is rideshare. Its like taking a taxi to your house or a bus that may or may not take you to your house, depending on group consensus.

>>12686685
He could literally type “we gaan” into google and it’s the first answer you fucking ass

im opening a mcdonalds on mars :)

>>12686580
Are we callin it SNeX now?

>>12686681
>It's actually my preferred "great filter" for the Fermi paradox. I suspect that the overwhelming majority of planets, even those in the habitable zone, are only fit for life for an extremly short period, far too short for the development of complex life, let alone intelligent life. I think Earth meets a crazy specific set of criteria that is going to be astronomically rare.

This likely gets us the Star Trek scenario in which the galaxy is littered with worlds that offer some varying level of habitability but actual sentient species are relatively few and far between.

>>12686714
Legally can't. Only Whataburger is allowed to open up shop over there.

>Rare meteorites from the moon, Mars and more to go under the hammer
>https://www.cnn.com/style/article/meteorite-sale-intl-scli/index.html

>In an online sale, Christie's auction house is presenting a portfolio of celestial objects, including specimens hailing from the moon and Mars, as well as aesthetic iron meteorites and rocks containing gemstones.
>Mars

>https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-martian-lunar-other-rare-meteorites/slice-martian-meteorite-shergottite-nwa-13276-21/112848
>The delivery mechanism to Earth was an asteroid impact on Mars that ejected material off the Martian surface that eventually found its way into an Earth-crossing orbit.
>Laboratory analyses led by the world’s foremost classifier of lunar and Martian meteorites, Dr. Anthony Irving, confirmed the suspicions (of being martian)
>Current Bid(7 Bids) USD 700

The fucking what? How the hell can people do this shit and not be arrested?

>>12686696
there is momentus style stuff to help alleviate that

>>12686242
Is Falcon Heavy useless for commercial launches? It costs $90 Million to place 8.3 tons into a GTO, which an expendable Falcon 9 can do for $60 Million.

>>12686681
>>12686723

There are plenty of planets out there that can support intelligent life, possibly even humans as we currently are on Earth.
But there hasn't been that small spark needed to jump start life similar to the 'primordial soup' theory.

>>12686631
When will this meme end? Mars loses kilograms per day in atmosphere, the impact of not having a magnetic field to shield the atmosphere from being stripped is negligible in the time scales we're talking about. It doesn't matter in the slightest and is just a talking point for YouTube midwits

>>12686734
The fairing extension for fh should allow it to take wider/bulkier sats. Current fairing is slightly oversized for f9 and undersized for fh.

>>12686688
(Image is outdated)
It isn't even close. Space tugs are the death of the smallsat launchers, only a handful of them will survive on meager government contracts.

Funny that despite all this Astra is valued at almost 5 billion at their current market capitalization, around half of what SpaceX was valued at in 2014. I'm always amazed that some people believe in the strong efficient market hypothesis.

>>12686741
Until we actually start sending probes to other star systems we have absolutely no way of knowing that. Even observing the atmospheric spectra of exoplanets isnt a surefire way to determine the habitability of a world.

Also until we find alien life somewhere, or we observe abiogenesis ourselves, we will have 0 idea about its difficulty.

>>12686756
I just wish we knew how much the tugs cost. I want to know what SHERPA charges. Or Momentus.

>>12686762
Momentus has it on their website.

>>12686772
The tug has a mass of 80 kilos and carries a single payload. It probably costs like $5 million for the whole thing

>>12686780
That sounds about right, the Vigoride Extended is apparently $4.8 million and it can move 200 to 400 kilograms from LEO to GEO/GSO. It has a single ESPA ring but of course it would be able to fit a CubeSat dispenser.

So...New Glenn will crash into the boat every flight until they perfect the landing?

>>12686732

Those rocks lost their scientific value a long time ago, anon. They have been blasted into space, went through our atmosphere and got exposed to it for lengthy amounts of time, enough to make any studies to see if there was life on Mars, not applicable anymore.

Also, finders, keepers.

>>12686812
I think it will land just fine the first time. Although I expect the maiden flight to take place in 2024 at the very earliest

>>12686242

How much filthy oil money did the UAE throw at D.C. to be nationally represented with US spacecraft?

SOON

>>12686854
They'd need a LOT of luck to land it on the first try

>>12686892
You can't fool me, that's a Farscape module.

>>12686892
How many people could it hold?

>>12686811
>It has a single ESPA ring
Sorry, that isn't true. I meant a single payload adapter ring or whatever they are called.

>>12686896
>hire spacex burnouts to do your software dev for the landing
I think it's much easier now that it's been proven

>>12686854
Even with Grasshopper and F9Dev1 SpaceX crashed several Falcon 9’s on landing

>>12686907
Like 3

>>12686892
Needs anti-attackcraft cannons

>>12686924
Come back to me when you have a space plane that can fit 50-100 people comfortably

>>12686572
Why the other 2 crashed?

>>12686901
It's way cuter than the Farscape module

>>12686934
No, fuck you. I want my personal space plane for me and some friends.

Imagine having the job of operating a flying fucking telescope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqAXteGlVAs

Blue Origin is an objectively better company than SpaceX when it comes to research and development, and funneling resources into constructing emerging technologies. I don’t know why this general struggles with this idea. The meme that “Bezos does nothing“ has been said so much that it has transitioned from irony to believability, but this does not negate the fact that Blue has been tirelessly building facilities and manufacturing their medium launch vehicle. New Shepherd has a better track record than grasshopper ever had. The market for tourism and medium payload deployment will be seized right out from under Musk. Blue Moon is an excellent framework for a modular delivery service to the Lunar base, and is epitomized by their ability to pool proven technology to build the NatTeam lander. Have you guys never understood the whole point of the tortoise and hare parable?? Bezos WILL fix the coffee machine in the break room, and Bezos WILL eventually smell you.

>>12686732
>$5000 for a Martian asteroid
Not sure if cheap or a scam.

>>12686981

>>12686981

high quality work anon

>>12686666
>terraforming
the only planet in this system that's remotely possible to terraform is venus. It's the only planet that has a magnetic field and a gravitational field close to Earth's, and it even has an atmosphere already (just too much). Even then it's easier said then done, and Venus has something like a 100 Earth day day, which would mean it gets pretty hot and cold depending on what part of they cycle you're in.

>>12686981
>Bezos WILL fix the coffee machine in the break room, and Bezos WILL eventually smell you.
W-what?

>>12686338
booster will stay the same forever, it's basically just a big F9. Now that SS has flown I think the exterior shape is approaching it's final form, as other anons have said legs are the big ? because they haven't settled on anything so bottom may get some sort of exterior compartment or they go with the fold out mini legs. Window is probably the biggest subject to change thing. Elon wants it badly but it will be a very expensive piece of engineering

>>12686260
Mars will be a forge world

>>12686666
Humanity's factories will consume entire planets and you will like it.

>The Centaur upper stage designed in the 1960s is STILL flying today

>>12687017
Mars is pretty easy to terraform at least conceptually. Import nitrogen, Use mirrors to increase sunlight, use organic and inorganic methods to flip co2, and maybe crash a couple of comets for extra water. The biggest challenge would be nitrogen, but that's just an process challenge.

>>12687056
>T. Le Happy Techpriest

>>12687058

the R-7 family, the one that launch Sputnik, is still flying with some modifications

>>12687066
Also need a magnetic field otherwise you will bleed your newly created atmosphere. Venus already everything it needs for a habitable atmosphere in it's atmosphere. Biggest issue is water after that. Importing an atmosphere is much harder then simply removing some excess atmosphere. Plus venus is pretty much 1g so not much worrying about microgravity.

>>12687133
If we can capture hydrogen from the solar wind, we could react it to create water and graphite
Once that's cooled down enough for infrastructure to be put on the surface, we can mine graphite and liquefy some of the 3 bars of nitrogen and ship them to Mars
Lichen can then break down rock into soil and the biosphere will lock up more of the carbon

Venus although has no real magnetosphere, and that's why it has no hydrogen or water, so an L1 magnet like Mars would be needed

>>12687066

what's the best source of nitrogen for terraforming? I know Neptune/Uranus have enough, but its inside those massive gravity wells

>>12687155
Seems like a decent plan for terraforming, but this is still probably hundreds of years off sadly.

>>12687190
It's a logistics issue more than anything, these things can be tested and built within a few decades, it would just require a huge mobilization of spaceborne resources and construction to get everything ready to start the effort and several decades to get appreciable results

Does anyone know if this is true?
https://e621.net/posts/1393496?q=Blue_Origin_Beats_Out_SpaceX_In_Artemis_Bid

>>12687209

>>12687058
Just wait till you hear about Soyuz

>>12687066
>It's pretty easy if you do all this really difficult stuff

>>12687212
pro tip load shit through google translate if you're sus

>>12687209
>>12687212

i demand a final answer to the furry question

>>12686981
Why do people talk about Bezos smelling people, and smelling Zubrin?

>>12687223
I can't provide a final answer but I can give you a final solution

>>12687226
>not wanting to sniff Zubrins old man armpit hair

>>12687223
You stick your dick in their females, there

>>12687209

>>12687265
Oy...

>>12686981
I hope this is a bait copypasta

>>12687273
KEK

Anyone going to be watching this?
https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1359216203177353217

>>12687133
It will take millions of years to bleed the atmosphere. By 5hen the problem should be solved

>>12687133
Honeslty, I don't see the need for a magnetic field immediately. Like its something build at some point, but the rate at whichatmosphere is stripped is in the billions-millions year range, which could just be offset by importing more atmosphereic gases if it turns out trying to build a magnetic field is too much of a hassle.

>>12687165
Titan has a ton, I think triton also has a lot. Both of which are in smaller gravity wells. Maybe some Kuiper belt objects also have some.
>>12687217
Point taken, but the fundamentals of it aren't as complicated as some other projects. It just boils down to nitrogen, O2 and Heat. All of which can be done with large but uncomplicated processes.

>>12687292

yeah, my idea was to knock TNOs into Mars' orbit. I'm not sure it would work if people were living on Mars by that point as they'd pick up a shit-ton of speed heading into the inner solar system

I am just disappointed UAE women still have to walk around looking like sacks of trash.

So do you guys think,SpaceX regrets setting up in the tiny spot of land known as boca chica
They should have picked southern arkansas which is just a quick barge ride from the coast down the oachita River

No need for gay evacuations and warnings to residents

>>12686260
cringe concept
this is /sci/ not plebbit

>>12687235
>>12687226
People here really like Musk

>>12686308
How ever would you find out if life exists beneath Europa, Triton, etc. with fucking cubesats? You need a lander melting into the ice.

CLICKBAIT ARTICLE WARNING
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/3/biden-cancels-elon-musks-adventures-in-space/
>muh chinese are going to beat the US to mars.
>cant even get to the moon
Where do they find these retards who write these articles, are journalists really that dumb?
They are also implying that biden has any power to stop starship or starlink, two things the US Militairy is having wet dreams about since it first was announced.

>>12687313
Wait till you hear about the indentured SEAsian and African labourers that are a plurality of the population

>>12687316
No, Boca is still best for most things. The issues regarding safety regulations are just due to handful of left over residents and their property.

>>12687066
You don't need mirrors for Mars. You need mirrors for Ganymede or Callisto.

>>12687165
>Neptune/Uranus

People fail to realise how far away they are. When we have long colonised Mars with actual cities, Uranus/Neptune will still remain unvisited by humans or commercial robots. They are 40 to 80 times farther away than Mars.

>>12687326
Boca is a nice place for a small launch site but it is a terrible site for their development program that should have multiple concurrent steps happening at once

Simply don’t have the room and not allowed to close off the beaches/parks constantly

>>12687340
The state of texas will bend over backwards if they can become the biggest spaceport in the world when starship is up an running.
And starship launchpads will be offshore, if they go far enough then they can keep the beaches&towns open in the future, and just make boca a starship construction factory.

>>12687340
They have closed it off constantly wtf are you talking about lol. And they're able to do that because the county wants the business. Holdups have been from the FAA which they have to deal with everywhere. Retard

>>12687334

although they're 40 times further away, the energy requirement is only x3/4 as much. definitely impractical for human transportation due to time contraints, but not so much for remote missions.

>>12687358
can't test on weekends because the county won't close the beaches

>>12687362
Would it be at all possible to get a mission in an orbit around Neptune without taking a million years to get there? Seems like something a NSWR could do, right?

anyone know the frequency of (x-rayed)protons from sulphur on mars energy being 3.699 × 10^-19 J

>>12686242
Reminder to all newfriends to wait until page 10 or image limit to make a new thread and to link the previous thread in the OP. And if you don’t understand that don’t make the thread.

>>12687358
Can't do night tests and can't do weekend tests.

That means 50% of the time is reduced from nights alone and another 30% reduced from weekends alone.

>>12687374
They have done multiple night tests

>>12687369
Triton is fucking cool and a Cassini-style mission to Neptune would be based.

>>12687319
I thought it was pretty funny when I said "People here really like Musk" and nobody laughed.

>>12687356
If they are using offshore launch sites then location is doubly irrelevant as long as it has a connection to the gulf, and having space to spread out would be far more important

>>12687358
How much work is delayed because they have to evacuate just to run pressure tests ? And clear it all with the county for road closures because it’s a public road right next to everything?

They’ll have to pressure test every vehicle...

Boca Chica was only selected because they intended to Launch from there... if they aren’t launching then what’s the point

>>12686260
>a couple of hours worth of field work done by an astronaut would normally take a rover maybe hundreds of days to complete
Robotic exploration fags btfo'd

>>12687209
holy shit

>>12686533
Venus is a very fascinating body. Maybe that phosphine hype will renew interest on it. I wonder what lies benath its thick atmosphere and crust. Would any remains or signs of previous life—buried underground—even survive the scorching conditions on the surface?

>>12686260
Realistically, the only way it could work is if the iron oxide could be separated from the rest of the rock and probably stuff like sand/silicates, other metal oxides etc, either through some foundry style extraction process, with further energy being required to strip the oxygen from the rust, carefully containing the produced oxygen within steel/iron tetrahedral dome shaped frames with (eventually) glass panels filtering dangerous radiation and light. If a nuclear plant were established you could power much of the initial energy requirements to erect biospheres. Getting enough csrboniferous matter or even just molecular carbon to actually sustain life could be troublesome. Water could be generated by reacting excess oxygen with hydrogen produced by allowing organic matter to ferment, eventually.

Unless an autonomous drone/robotic construction machin building facility was established, it couldn't be done. The other issue is the sheer volume of extra material needed- stuff like cobalt, silicone wafer, carbon, chromium and vanadium for steel production, and oils, lubricants and abrasives for manufacturing almost rule out any chance until we can comfortably mine asteroids for resources that don't have to be propelled through Earth's atmosphere at escape velocity while carrying the fuel to power such thrust, and the chance of a failed delivery of the payload.

>>12686338
that design is already outdated, so no

>>12687369
Currently it would take 10 years. So considering nothing of sort will happen in the next 20 years MOTHERFUCK we will all be old men at the earliest when we get a Neptune orbiter.

Maybe with nuclear propulsion it'll take much less. Hopefully nuke tech is some of the first Mars infrastructure, because Earth is too sissy for it.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-contract-to-launch-initial-elements-for-lunar-outpost
PPE/HALO Gateway launch officially slated for a Falcon Heavy.

>>12686681
>I suspect that the overwhelming majority of planets, even those in the habitable zone, are only fit for life for an extremly short period, far too short for the development of complex life, let alone intelligent life.
Life as we know it. I realize it's nearly pointless to speculate about something as exotic as non-carbon-based life, but it's not impossible.

>>12687369

Voyager 2 took 12 years to get to Neptune, with the benefit of gravity assists. An NSWR has about 20x the efficiency of a conventional rocket, so, with that kind of tech it can definitely be done in a reasonable time scale. but remember, it takes as much energy to boost back as it takes to boost out there in the first place, so it's not straightforward for human flight.

>>12687410
Theoretically yes, but we aren't retrieving any sample 1m or below the surface in the next 100+ years. Makes me irrationally angry. Venus is fucking fascinating, but for all intents and purposes it's basically off-limits

Can somebody translate this?

SLSbros... I don't feel so good...
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-contract-to-launch-initial-elements-for-lunar-outpost/

>>12687439
We hate America, we hate Christians, turn all Churches to Mosques and we shall be landing a 100 gram lander on the Moon with minimal tech Allah (PBUH) willing

>>12687431
outrageously based. Falcon heavy is awesome and I'm really glad to see it actually starting to be utilized.

>>12687415
>>12687369
Look up plasma magnetic sails

>>12687444
Apparently they want to send an astronaut (or whatever -naut they decide to call them) to the ISS, so they don't hate Americans THAT much.

>>12687439
We will be the first country to construct yurts on the Moon.

>>12687446
Seeing a Falcon with an Artemis logo is really going to feel good and make me laugh at SLS that much more

>>12687448
Hahah I know, I'm just having a go (and sort of salty about the Hagia Sophia). They better just call them astronauts. I'm tired of everyone assigning stupid names to their own spaceflight positions. It'll be cool to see them on the ISS though

>>12687446
Falcon Heavy launching Psyche next year will be pretty sweet. I look forward to seeing it launch an interplanetary probe.

>>12687443
20 years into their let’s return to the moon bullshit, they are thinking about sending some payloads on the FHeavy
I would assume they haven’t started making anything and that’s why it’s set for 4 years from now

>>12687374
>counting weekend nights twice

>>12687437

if I had a couple billion dollars spare, I'd pay musk to yeet me DearMoon style on an Apollo/Venus style flyby course. completely useless scientifically at this point I'm sure, but it would be pretty fucking cool

>>12687433
Carbon can cooperate with alternative solvents and oxidizers aside from water and O2, so viable temperatures for life are possibly very low.

>>12686965
>747
>when Boing was still good

>>12687458
Turkey has the right of conquest just as much as Byzantium did

>>12687443

oh no no no bezos bros we got too cocky

>>12687464
Idk if this has been cancelled but there was talks of the Chinese doing a manned Venus flyby. I think it would happen after their Moon landing? IIRC the thinking was: "we can't get to Mars yet, but we could still go to Venus before anyone else and try to flex". Which honestly would be pretty based
Bonus video for inspiration https://youtu.be/8so2l-quSMg

>>12687461
7 days - 2 = 5/2 = 2.5.

2.5/7 = 35% actual work time available in and 65% of the time, they cant test.

>>12687458
The ISS will get blacked. Kara boga.

>>12687437
A most depressing outlook. I wish we could see and know more about these captivating matters, alas..

>>12687477
I've seen a LOT of retarded posts in this general, but this takes the cake.

>>12687477
>That means 50% of the time is reduced from nights alone and another 30% reduced from weekends alone
7 days - (50% of 7 days) - (30% of 7 days) =
7 days - 3.5 days - 2.1 days = 1.4 days

7 days - 2 days = 5 days
5 days / 2 = 2.5 days

>>12687475
A Venus flyby would be a good manned shakedown cruise for Starship ahead of a flight to Mars. The mission duration would be about a year, and we already have experience with missions of that duration on ISS.

>>12687475

yeah, my understanding is that there's pretty much no technical challenges behind fly-bys of mars or venus, it's just that there's nothing a fly-by can do that a probe can't so it would purely be a vanity project

>>12687481
It's very unfortunate. I believe Proxima B is about the same size as Earth, or at least possesses around 1g of gravity. But it's likely cooked by radiation from proxima centauri. I wish we had another Earth-like planet within proximity that we could just go land on and survive with nothing but clothes and a breathing apparatus

>>12687487
(7 days - 50%) - 30%
(3.5 days - 30%) = 2.5 days

>>12687496
If Venus was Earth like do you think we would have landed there already? Even without oxygen, what if it had water and a stable atmosphere / surface temperature? The US would have probably skipped the Moon altogether

>>12687464
>>12687475
>>12687489
>>12687490

fuck bros she's so beautiful i just want to [spoiler]fly-by![/ spoiler] her

>>12687496
And all the time the expansion of space makes more and more galaxies practically unreachable as far as we understand things now.

>>12687499
Almost certainty

>>12687499
Yeah, we'd have started building bases there at least since the sixties.

>>12687446
Falcon Heavy also got the cargo delivery contract for Gateway resupply missions assuming any crew ever gets out there. The payload will be a special Bad Dragon XL, which iirc is an elongated version of the Dragon 1.x inside a fairing. Now we just need Crew Starship or a Crew Dreamchaser on Vulcan Chubby up there and we can drop SLS in the fucking trash for the entire Artemis architecture.

>>12687447
They'd also be really great for Venus missions since your entire mission profile aside from brief dips behind a planet shadow is in regions of >=1366W/m^2 solar flux so you can leave the nukes at home and go full SEP / chemical, even with an obnoxious 30 meter ~6kN sail.

Fuck solar system RNG. Venus is a lost cause. Mars will be the red(dit) planet soon. We Titan chads now.

>>12687501
What do you mean? Andromeda is coming right to us.

>>12687499
The space race after the Moon would have continued 100% with Venus.

>>12687508
Based Titan enjoyer

>Venus didn't turn out to be a steaming jungle planet shrouded in clouds
This solar system sucks

>>12687508
Based, while everybody is focusing on mars we will quietly escape to titan

>>12687518
>tfw we will never experience a gas giant in the habitable zone with several life-bearing moons, or a red dwarf system with several habitables so close together you can see them hang in the sky.

>>12687513
Kek kind of unrelated but this just came to mind: What if an Earth-like rogue planet passed through the solar system on a hyperbolic trajectory. Let's say it was heading out past Jupiter basically doing a sling shot. Let's say we measured it and saw that even in deep space it has enough internal energy to stay comfy. Would you land on it? And let your ancestors grow there as it slowly slingshots itself into the void?

>>12687508
>Venus is a lost cause.
You could actually fix it with a Bussard ramscoop and some solar panels given enough time.
>place ramscoop at Venus-Sun L1
>ramscoop acts like a plasma magnet sail, creating anti-sunward thrust from drag
>collects solar wind ions in a funnel, compresses them into a particle beam, and shits them out the back, creating sunward thrust balancing the scoop and stabilizing the orbit
>ramscoop becomes prosthetic magnetosphere
>particle beam includes lots of protons, hydrogen, etc. which bombards the Venusian atmosphere and produces water
At that point all you'd need to do to finish terraforming the planet is either add a bunch of mirrors deflecting some of the sunlight around the planet and down to the night side, or spin the planet up to ~24 hour rotation.

>>12687499
no
even if venus was a paradies world, it still wouldn't solve the problem that you would basically need to land and re launch a saturn 5 on its surface

>>12687508

>hydrocarbon oceans
sounds ready for FREEDOM

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1359261256096509953
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-contract-to-launch-initial-elements-for-lunar-outpost
>NASA has selected Falcon Heavy to launch the first two elements of the lunar Gateway together on one mission!

Why is space so spiritually cool bros

>>12687497
You will never be an engineer.

>>12687530
For manned return from high gravity worlds you either need ISRU or torch ships. No way around it. Starship would work really fucking well if you could ship a SuperHeavy over in parts for local assembly.

>>12687507
>a special Bad Dragon XL
Did they really call it a bad dragon?

>>12687537
If anyone is depending on 4chan verification on being an engineer, they've failed.

>>12687533
worried center core noises

>>12687540
No, but they did call it a Dragon XL.

>>12687513
And most of everything else isn't.

>>12687539
>landing a superheavy on venus
would be epic as fuck

>>12687536
Because we're wanderers shackled to a rock, and space offers us the ultimate escape

>>12687524
Not being part of a star system with several other targets with larger gravity wells it would soon enough (on the historical scale) become unsuitable for larger lifeforms due to all the shit impacting it.

>>12687513
We should treasure the little crowd we have nearby us for now.

>>12687547
We’ll just use Alcubierre drives

>>12687527
O'Neill shitters are fuming at this post, because they want to live in giant glass dildos instead of conquering new clay for Holy Terra.

>>12687527
>or spin the planet up to ~24 hour rotation.
How difficult is this with near-today's tech? My intuition is telling me it should be really difficult.

>>12687467
747 was peak boeing
all downhill since then

>>12687508
Based beyond measure.

>>12687527
You will never be given enough time. Wishful thinking about active terraforming is beyond fucking stupid.

>>12687542
fully expendable, anon, no need to fear

>>12687536
The Greeks called the galactic disk the Milky Way. Babylonians called it Tiamat's tail. The galaxy is a mommy dragon gf and we must claim her for ourselves.

>>12687553
Also this.

>>12687539

i don't even think it would need to be assembled; i believe it can reach orbit by itelf (with no cargo/upper stage). if that's the case, you could just launch, refuel it in orbit and then send it over.

on second thought, you'd need to use starship (upper stage) style thermal protection as comes into the atmosphere due to the greater velocity than it normally deals with, which would probably be a lot of work. oh well.

>>12687562
>You will never be given enough time.
Huh? Does this project require more than ~500000 years? Not that anon.

>>12687572
>on second thought, you'd need to use starship (upper stage) style thermal protection as comes into the atmosphere due to the greater velocity than it normally deals with, which would probably be a lot of work. oh well.
That's why I figured it'd be easier to send some Raptors, steel rolls, and a parts kit over along with a crane and some Mexicans.

>>12687557
By order of the Terran Empire, we will be constructing a statue of Mike McCulloch on Gliese 667 Cc

>>12687533
>lunar Gateway
The moon is a giant ball of trash. What a fucking waste.

>>12687567
Okay as long as she has body hair

>>12686265
this post was made by paraterraform gang

>>12687573
Do you fucking listen to yourself? In what universe will human beings be able to organize a project that requires many thousands of years?

>>12687557
But why not both?

"TERRAFORMERS could be here" he thought, "I've never been on this planet before. There could be TERRAFORMERS anywhere." The suit's liquid cooling garment felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE TERRAFORMERS" he thought. Space Oddity (2339 Remaster) reverberated his entire suit, making it pulsate even as the $9 tang circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of geoengineers in the void. "With a tube you can live anywhere you want" he said to himself out loud.

>>12687594

the one where I'm the immortal god emperor of man

>>12687600
Okay, so in your boyish fantasies.

The only real chance for life on Venus is with bio-formed bird-men in sky cities.

>>12687594
>Do you fucking listen to yourself? In what universe will human beings be able to organize a project that requires many thousands of years?

>>12687562
>>12687573
The assembly, testing and transit would take about a decade or 2, then having the beam react the CO2 to acceptable levels for the next parts would take a few decades if everything was running smoothly

>>12687608
>The only real chance for life on Venus is with bio-formed bird-men in sky cities.
Or just regular men in floating cities with sufficiently large air bubbles around the cities to provide buoyancy on top of the denser lower atmosphere. These have the very nice property of being safer and more stable as you scale them up which means with a few cleverly redirected asteroids you could get a floating continent.

Propellant balls spotted

>>12686909
didn't they hire DC-X guys for that

>>12687623
When is it launching?

>>12687623
OO
/\/\
What's this?

>>12687209
Imagine the smell

>>12687322
No let that happen we want normies to push for a space race against china

>>12687513
Space is so big, there's pretty much a 0% chance any objects in Andromeda will collide with any objects in the milky way as they "collide" with each other

>>12687613

>>12687625
when is what launching?

>>12687623
>delta-V is stored in the balls

>>12687513
good, more resources to exploit

>>12687636
The next starship

>>12686909
just like how starship is easier to land since spacex has so much experience?

>>12687287
fucking here we go again. biden in office, and the scientists are back to tell us we cant send humans to mars on chemical rockets. like clockwork

>>12686896
No they don’t
They just have to prioritize it and leave massive margins for it

>>12687656

>>12687663
>poison yourself to prevent wrongthink

>>12687643
as early as thursday but its very possible it'll slip

>>12687664
TAKE ZE MEDS

Thinking about Saturn V

>>12687623
AWWOOOOOOOGAA

>>12687340
>that should have multiple concurrent steps happening at once
Are you retarded? Their operation has so many things going on at any time

>>12687677
Good, my son. Good.

>>12687656
Yeah and? Sending humans on chemical rockets is immoral. We shouldnt go to mars until we can ensure the trip only takes 2 weeks

>>12687656
The Bigly Filter strikes again.

>>12687524
wouldnt the velocity be insaaaaaaaaaaaane because its an object in another galaxy

>>12687691
the what

>>12687687
>Yeah and? Sending humans on chemical rockets is immoral

All moral claims are inherently invalid since moral truths aren’t discernible via empirical or rational investigation. You lose by default

>>12687687
>2 weeks to slow the spread of humanity

>>12687701
>moral truths aren’t discernible via empirical or rational investigation

>>12687701
(USER WAS DAMNED FOR THIS POST)

>>12687541
There aren't any on /sci/ anyhow.

>>12687714
>philosophee is da joos
Please elaborate on how you solved the is-ought problem.

>>12687714
my made up philosophy > your made up philosophy

>>12687723
I agree with this post

>/space flight general/
This is what happens when there is a shitty OP

>>12687728
Ethics of spaceflight is on topic

>>12687559
>How difficult is this with near-today's tech? My intuition is telling me it should be really difficult.
I'd say outright impossible. It's simply too much mass and nothing we've got or can do would impart the required spin. About the only thing that could theoretically do it is smacking Venus with a Kuiper-belt object or two, and even then the energy expended to cause such an impact would be better spent elsewhere.

>>12687728
I tried to warn you guys about accepting conspirtards. They're ALWAYS /pol/-tier schizos, and when one is allowed to babble on and on, more show up and do the same.

>>12687718
Darwinian utilitarianism on large scale, basically. "Does performing this action or holding this belief make it more or less likely for my tribe to survive?" Most of conventional morality neatly follows:
>love your family
>befriend your neighbors
>don't steal from your countrymen
etc. Claiming that morality is invalid is itself immoral because it makes people more likely to do terrible self-destructive things that permanently lower their odds of reproduction, like poopdicking other men instead of finding a wife. Thus, anyone who is pushing "morality isn't real" in the West can reasonably be determined to be working against the long term survival of white people, and thus a Jew.

>>12687623
Those have been there a while though.

>>12687738
How's yer dad?

>>12687718
There is no problem. It's a contrived set of rules that excludes all heuristic problem solving in a misguided quest for formulaic morality. In this age of budding AI, it's been quite thoroughly established that heuristic learning is far more powerful and broad than any autistic formula can ever hope to be. Faith and culture are necessary for human survival and further development.

>>12687723
>made up
Tested against reality for thousands of generations.

>>12687740
>Darwinian utilitarianism on large scale, basically. "Does performing this action or holding this belief make it more or less likely for my tribe to survive?"
Why ought we do what makes our tribe more likely to survive?

>>12687728
It's also what happens when hops and pops keep getting delayed by governmental infetterance, which leads to "well wtf why is this happening," which leads to the other stuff.

HOP WHEN

>>12687747
>Why ought we do what makes our tribe more likely to survive?
Because we are animals who will get beaten or killed by the other members of the tribe if we don't.

>>12687738
>those wicked conspiritards conspire against me!

>>12687744
He found this great new rent free property, he's doing great.
>>12687752
Next-level projection. I don't think there is a conspiracy, just birds of a feather flock together. Not hard to understand.

>The ship hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't

>>12686260
>creative new techniques in sports
cringe

>>12687756
That's good. He still crazy?

>>12687738
>accepting conspirtards
space autists where expressing worries about how the new administration would handle space flight (as they always do) and you sperged out and shitted up like three threads
lurk two years before posting again

>>12687760
Nah I made that up to appeal to you people more. Both of my parents are 130+ IQ, and the only person who believe conspiracy stuff is my uncle's trophy wife who does nothing at home all day.

>>12687751
>Because we are animals who will get beaten or killed by the other members of the tribe if we don't.
Sounds like an appeal to nature fallacy.

>>12687756
>I don't think there is a conspiracy, just birds of a feather flock together.
You put the moron in oxymoron.

Can we just go to fucking space already?

>>12687770
It's not a fallacy, it's what moves it from autistic navel-gazing circle jerk to realism. Sooner or later you have to do physical tests.

>>12687762
>space autists where expressing worries about how the new administration would handle space flight
The anon took a public briefing called "SPACE NUCLEAR PROPULSION FOR HUMAN MARS EXPLORATION" and turned it into "OMG THEY ARE CANCELING CHEMICAL ROCKETS". He's clearly a trumptard suffering from Biden derangement syndrome.

>>12687770
Sounds like a fallacy fallacy.

>>12687775
>fucking space
That's going to be the name of the first orbital brothel and you can't stop me.

>>12687777
Rent free six years later.

>>12687770
Also a "just so" story, very common with these "evolutionary biology" types making wild claims about human nature.

>>12687777
Quads confirm. Drumf is done

>>12687777
>took a public briefing called "SPACE NUCLEAR PROPULSION FOR HUMAN MARS EXPLORATION" and turned it into "OMG THEY ARE CANCELING CHEMICAL ROCKETS"
If you weren't retarded, you would understand that it would have been far easier to start with this and keep your partisan whining out of it.

>>12687745
>philosophy
>tested
lmfao

>>12687766
Smooth save!

>>12687795
Keep coping.

Demorats in this thread arent old enough to remember when moon flights were cancelled and we focused on "going to mars" with nuclear propulsion. If you pay any attention to Zubrin, you'd know that a significant group in govt and nasa believe we need a crazy nuclear rocket before even thinking of going to mars. it's been used as a reason not to even try for FIFTY FUCKING YEARS

>>12686260
>Allowing atmosphere to occur naturally over several tens or hundreds of thousands of years.
>Not relentlessly bombarding the planet with comets pushed by fusion candle ships and introducing genetic abomination bacteria and mega-lichen that feed on perchlorates and thrive in insanely inhospitable environments.
NGMI, fuck "natural terraforming" fags.
Every planet we set our eyes on belongs to us, the solar system is rightful human clay, it should be remade to serve us.

>>12687826
>internal bickering amongst t*rraformer faggots
Hilarious. You will both be given the airlock when the time is right.

>>12687826
>relentlessly bombarding the planet with comets
You absolutely irredeemable idiot. Why the absolute shit do you think it is acceptable to turn a moderately livable planet into a ball of magma? Do you really not understand that only the tiniest fraction of a percent of the energy of a comet will add rotational energy to a planet?

>>12687834
Not really a huge fan of terraforming, but if it were to be done, it should be done full tilt, none of this "m-muh natural progression" faggotry. Humans are nature, and we're the only nature we know which is both sapient and technologically capable, so until someone else says otherwise "natural progression" is as fast as we chad humans say it is.

>>12687841
That's Mars, not Venus. Bombing it with comets is about water delivery.

>>12687834
>Particle beam slices your faggot dildo station in half
I'm sorry, I can't hear your radio screams over all this ATMOSPHERE

>>12687846
Fool now he has two chode-stations, did you even think this through

>>12687844
It's about the same result. The amount of comets required to fill an entire planets oceans will still turn it from nearly uninhabitable it totally uninhabitable. Mars doesn't even have the magnetosphere required to keep an atmosphere. Any "progress" you make in this retarded, destructive scheme will be blown away by stellar winds.

>>12687860
>Mars doesn't even have the magnetosphere required to keep an atmosphere. Any "progress" you make in this retarded, destructive scheme will be blown away by stellar winds.
Did you miss the last two threads worth of discussing how to fix that?

>>12687862
Why the fuck would I waste my time reading threads filled with idiots discussing quixotic sci-fi projects that are logistically impossible?

>>12687863
Hideous and doomed to failure, worse than Shuttle.

>>12687868
>I WANT ANSWERS
>NO NOT THOSE ANSWERS

>>12687841
The only idiot here is you, you dribbling retard monkey faggot, the goal is not to recreate the fucking Theia impact and blow off the entire crust of Mars, it's only necessary to get a couple billion tons of extra water and other assorted hydrocarbons to the surface of a cold, almost geologically dead word that masses in at more than six sextillion tons.

>>12687868
Because maybe you'd learn that your concern is literally a non-issue and is probably the most trivial and overblown non-issue in the history of spaceflight?

>>12687868
I don't know, why DO you lurk /sfg/?

>>12687872
Here is your reply

>>12687780
I mean, it’s roughly the same thing I do, there’s just no “objective” reason to do so.

>>12687874
I did not, at any point, ask for "answers" from a gang of idiots that get their science from fantastical television shows and navel gazing "futurists".

>>12687878
>only a couple billion tons

>>12687883
To bully nerds that like to think they're smart.

>>12687889
You should try /x/ instead

>>12687878
Didn’t Theia get disproven or something?

>>12686260
Nawww. The Ring gates will open and Duarte will just fuck off with a third of the fleet to build his own empire before the terraformation is successful.

>>12687892
Don't worry, I have separate tabs for /x/ and /lit/ as well.

What's Boeing up to these days?

>>12687895
No it's still highly accepted

>>12687898
Dying slowly.

>>12687898
No good

>>12687889
>To bully nerds that like to think they're smart.
How can you know if somebody is "smart" or not if you don't even want to read what they have to say (hint, you can't)

>>12686533
At altitude, it is the easiest spot to colonize. First city there better have a black mayor with an affinity for Colt 45 beer.

>>12687907
>First city there better have a black mayor with an affinity for Colt 45 beer.
Is this a Bespin / Lando joke?

is that stupid ESA rover trash done yet

>>12687898
Somehow making billions yet still losing more than they are making

>>12687895
Hadn't heard any new hypothesis contrary to it that made more sense. I haven't been paying attention to impactor event science much though, more interested in power and propulsion than deep-past geological events.

>>12687906
>he can't read auras
ngmi

Imagine the cope if Chinese probe actually lands making China the first country to succeed with Mars landing on first try. I doubt the chance is higher than 50% but still.

>>12687889
>I don't WANT to hear why I'm wrong I WANT to be smugly superior
Okay, but you're wrong and just come off as a retard because of this

>>12687898
Unmanned Test flight in march

>>12687906
I can smell the bitch on them.

>>12687914
They WANT to launch SLS and TWO Starliners this year, so they are set for a wild ride

>>12687919
China will land and it will be historic. Americans from all over the country will watch in awe.

>>12687928
KEK I will bet my life savings that not one will launch. Or perhaps Starliner will, but something will go wrong

What's worse - furries or /pol/fags?

>>12687915
Apparently there’s several irregularities which make it dubious but it’s still the best option.

>>12687921
Shut the fuck up, autismo. You have no idea how human beings operate and it's very easy to be superior to dipshits that think such a massive, obtuse, destructive and unproductive project could ever be greenlit, let alone persist past the first rock wasted. I will make sure that my martian descendants know to laugh on my behalf when you rockbois get constantly and rightly blocked by the Martian government.

>>12687935
yes

>>12687935
(you)

>>12687909
You really need to ask?

>>12687928
They won't even launch one.

>>12687919
"First try" kind of loses it's punch when it's nearly 50 years after the first attempts, impressive though it may be

>>12687938
Musk is a terraformer. Musk has the Starships. QED.

>>12687938
>rockbois get constantly and rightly blocked by the Martian government
It's not up to them lmao. You're not intercepting and redirecting a comet swarm with planetary defense fleets.

>>12687952
Literally trivial. Also a declaration of war. Enjoy the gallows, dumbass.

>>12687951
That means nothing, egoist fool.

>>12687938
good luck starting your own aerospace colony then because elon is firmly in the terraformer camp

>>12687949
Israel just fucked up a Moon probe. NASA also lost a Mars probe recently.

If Chinks succeed it will be big deal.

>>12687958
company*

>>12687947
Shelby of Alabama is retiring, so they can't drag SLS for another ten years.

>>12687959
Nasa also has a rover that will land in like a week and a half...

>>12687959
>NASA also lost a Mars probe recently.
when?

>>12687958
You assholes are dumber than I first thought. I can't imagine Musk could possibly be as infantile and petty as to deny passage to anyone that doesn't think turning Mars into a ball of lava is fucking retarded. Bad business and very likely illegal, not to mention extremely effeminate.

>>12687957
You're trying really, really hard.

>>12687967
The batteries are failing, it didn't fail to land so anon was making a weak comparison anyways. Probably a chinkbot

>>12687477
Jesus Fucking Christ anon...
We really need tests you have to take in order to post on /sci/

>>12687973
Repair the batteries

MARS AIN'T FREE, WODEN'S GROVE MUST BE WATERED WITH THE BLOOD OF THE CNSA. THE PEOPLE OF NEW ELON HAVE THE RIGHTFUL CLAIM TO THE BELTS NOT THE CHINESE EARTHEN CONGLOMERATE. THE MARSFORGE STARSHIPS ARE BEING PUMPED OUT AS IF MADE BY WAYLAND HIMSELF. SOON THEY SHALL KNOCK ON THE SKY LIKE THE HAMMER OF THE ÉSE, RESUPPLYING THE FAR CORNERS OF THE AMEROBRIT SOLAR EMPIRE. HAIL THUNOR

>>12687972
No, mouth breather. It is not hard to grasp that launching projectiles at an inhabited world is impossible to justify politically and will have massive negative repercussions for the perpetrators.

>>12687951
>>12687958
by the time anyone has the infrastructure and personnel to terraform mars people will have been living there for generations
musk is 49, optimistically he could live to see a permanent settlement but what he wants in the long term is irrelevant

>>12687991
>think of the martian children

>>12687437
I have a question, why not shoot an explosive, and a flight drone that captures video and sends it up. The explosion opens up and we see more of it.

>>12688002

>>12687971
You don't have to turn Mars into a ball of lava, that's your own strawman.

>>12688008
That's one rad fish-helm

>>12688004
>Drone
>On Venus
Wouldn't work maine

>>12688013
Just fly it from orbit bro

>>12688010
It's thermodynamics. You cannot launch billions of tons at a planet and expect the outcome to be anything less than catastrophic.

>>12687991
>what’s war

The UK space program is coming along quite well...

>>12688013
Two part capsule, one part big bang that reveals the below (if they are living in tunnels it's not personal) a secoundary drone fires propulsive thrustters captures 4k footage and beams it up to a satellite overhead.

>>12688016
Wouldn't matter still. You could detonate a fucking tsar bomba on Venus and you wouldn't be able to see anything because of the opaque atmosphere. You could use radar to observe the new crater but you wouldn't really get much data from it other than "yup, we made a crater"

>>12688019
>starting what is effectively a nuclear war bacause you're a giant baby that can't accept that your sci-fi concept is fucking stupid

>>12688013
Think he means flying drone, but it still couldn't see the surface through the clouds.

>>12688026
alright, how about something that can drill below the surface. Motherfucker. And it brings a flashlight as it burrows and it lands retroproprusively and drills down. and for europa a chernobyl that metls down to the ocean with attached cameras

>>12687687
>sending humans to the Americas on sailing ships is immoral. we shouldn't go to America until we can cross the Atlantic in one week.

>>12688031
Good luck solving the material science for all these fun ideas.

>>12688031
For Europa that would be cool. Again, wouldn't work for Venus.

>>12688031
>irradiating all the Europan fishes
Just use your RTG to heat water in a copper pipe circulating around to melt through, no need to introduce radioactive shit into the sea.

>>12688053
I wonder what Europan fishes taste like

>>12687992
Cope chinked

>>12688060
Like tube worms, I assume

>>12688060
anaphylaxis probably

>>12688037
>>12688038

Why not just a big shaped charge deep. Then a probe that hits that same crater to see what's below a la like the previous probe that took pictures.

>>12688076
Or a tungsten rod like from project: Thor with some not-so-delicate equipment inside
The thing would behave like a super expensive bunkerbuster weapon

>>12688087
I am just saying do the same mission as the soviets, but just blow a large enough hold. I am okay with a depth charge nuke. That place is literally hell.

>>12687988
Based

>>12688053
Isn’t decaying radioactive isotopes in the planets core one of the few ways it can even heat the ocean?

>>12688099
tidal heating

>>12687508
Dead space 2 here we come

Who cares about your boomer bullshit lets talk about this
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-contract-to-launch-initial-elements-for-lunar-outpost/
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-contract-to-launch-initial-elements-for-lunar-outpost/
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-contract-to-launch-initial-elements-for-lunar-outpost/
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-contract-to-launch-initial-elements-for-lunar-outpost/

>>12688147
how long before militarization? 10 years I'd assume since darpa is getting in early. With a high ground advantage, and posession rights over the entire lunar space

>>12687860
>muh magnetosphere
it happens over millions of years retard, if you can put an atmosphere on mars in the first place you can keep it there

>>12688147
>Implying the lunar outpost isn't boomer bullshit

>>12688017
show me the calculations nigger
>he thinks a few comets can melt a planet

>>12688152
I think it depends but using FH means its being fasttracked

>>12688152
This, the moon would be a massive fortress and the linchpin of Earth's near-space defenses

>>12688156
It was a boomer plan but a millennial execution

>>12688168
>>12688152
How would they even militarize it?

>>12688174
Guns steel and money

HOW THE FUCK
do you go from working on a shitty farm in Saskatchewan, to being the richest person in the world, in like 30 years?
Is Musk even human? Jesus Christ.

>>12688185
Advanced autism, hard work, and lots of luck

>>12688178
Theres no strategic benefit to it yet

>>12688190
Yeah. I only answered how to do it, not why to do it.

>>12688158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej9ltDAlVOI

>>12688185
Get people to inflate ur stock valuation to more than all other car makers combined

>>12688174
Mount big ass particle cannons like pic related on it with the area fortified against moonflight and ground assaults and these things could take out ships or asteroids within a few AU of Earth