/sci/ - Science & Math

Gotta decimate the middle class

Vaccination works, believe me!

>>12681400
Why are there 2 lines for the same thing?

Both are Palestine btw

>>12681387
/sci/ like numbers only when it feeds their hallucinations,
as long as they consider "research" done by an "expert" for them it is sacred,
logic and rationale have long since disappeared from this board.
they'll just send you to /pol/ instead, "yada yada schizo how dare you! people die!" kind of crap.
there is no difference between them and religious fanatics.
you can show them the objective facts in the face, and they'll just pull out studies on crazy doomsday predictions made by "experts".
any 12 year old can clearly understand that this is not a crisis and there is no danger.
sad to see it, frustratingly exhausting and it's also a waste of time trying to get someone here to internalize.
let them live in their bubble until it bursts.

What part of "novel" Coronavirus don't you understand? If a fire was burning in your house, but it was a very small fire in your basement, should you just ignore it and hope it goes away?

>>12681469
>t. Prof. Armchair Expert

>>12681474
If you really want an appropriate analogy it's more like that,
If a fire was burning in your house, but it was a very small. we need to close the street bring in 5000 firefighters, blow up the building and remove all appliances in any home within a 20 mile radius

>>12681474
If that fire is basically only burning the most unproductive and burdensome parts of my house then sure, I'd leave it alone.

>>12681492
>the most unproductive and burdensome parts of my house
Just an unrelated question, are you pro-life?

>>12681502
Not that guy, but I second his statement. Also my stance on the unrelated question of pro-life is the opposite of his.

>>12681511
>Also my stance on the unrelated question of pro-life is the opposite of his
How would you know?

>>12681517
>thinks a gamete counts as "life"
>doesn't care if the elderly, sick and poor die
>PRO-LIFE

Which is it, you can't be both.

>>12681474
retard

>>12681474
It's more like
>there is a fire which is dangerous to the old wooden district in the city
>instead of protecting that district we open the dam gates and drown the whole city

>>12681502
If fetus is perfectly able to survive outside the womb, but womb is a bit comfier, then kicking it out is a bit less of a moral dilemma.

>>12681632
Analogical reasoning is the tool of midwits who can't reason things because of perceived complexity

>>12681647
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_s1l1DQPws

>>12681387
I think we should've just let the boomers die tbqh

>>12681387
People dying lmao retard

>>12681647
Guess who started it with
>If a fire was burning in your house

>>12681744
see
>>12681469

>>12681490
Also don't even worry about what the source of the fire is. Fires just happen.

>>12681744
like the flu

>>12681848
It's actually not a big deal, It is definitely just a way to get more people dependent on the government. thats the first step for Marxism.

>>12681469
any 12 year old can clearly understand that this is not a crisis and there is no danger
Go back to b.

>>12681868
exactly

>>12681387
Collapse of the healthcare system. Like 10% of people have it in a serious form, you can save 95% of them with the care.

>>12681387
>What's wrong with overwhelming the hosptials, killing a sizable number of elderly and having a virus im your system several times

>>12681885
China had the overwhelmed hospitals too. Know what they did? THEY BUILT MORE. Something we seem to be incapable of doing.

>>12681879
Better to let one aspect of society collapse than to risk losing the entire thing.

>>12681885
It encourages dependency and indolence, which reduces immune system function.

Health starts at individual life choices.

>>12681893
You know how they built more? They have a one party system. Ours is built for grid lock.

>>12681908
We also have a one party system. It just pretends to be two.
But hospitals are expensive and politicians are corrupt asshats. There is literally no reason we couldn't build more.

>>12681885
>What's wrong with overwhelming the hosptials
Don't overwhelm the hospitals then.
>killing a sizable number of elderly
Don't send covid patients to nursing homes then.

In short, don't be like New York.

>>12681885
>and having a virus im your system several times
Happily we have a thing named immunity to counter that.

>>12681879
Did not happen in any country or state besides a small list of hospitals mismanaged on purpose.

>>12681387
Go back to pol incel

>>12681923
So glad jew york is the most diverse city on earth

>>12681944

>>12681885
I actually wonder how many elderly people have gotten infected? I mean sample sizes are very important. I don't expect it to be a lot, old people don't do much.

>>12681387
those kind of threads just obliterate /sci/.
literally a math that a 10 year old can do to understand the real damage from covid, and those retarded faggots are buried in piles
of useless information.
>LOCK DOWN NOW!
>THOSE VARIANTS ARE DANGEROUS!
>30% MORE SPREAD NO WAIT 32.8% OH MY GOD!
>PANIC PANIC etc
massive entertainment

>>12682107
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Gao#Calling_a_deer_a_horse

>>12682127
what are you trying to say with that chinese parable?

>>12682146
That covid is a loyalty test, not a logic test.

>>12682179
do you know what is the best thing about not having value in your life?

>>12681923
>Dont overwhelm the hospitals
wow anon, anyone ever tell you that you should be a doctor? Then you could tell all your patients to simply not get sick, if those people just listened to your wisdom all problems would be solved!

>>12682187
Can't lose value if you don't have one?

>>12682187
what?

>>12682223
whats really crazy is that there was mass amounts of false positives for covid tests

>>12681474
People have always lived with small fires in their house.

>>12682225
>>12682245
nothing to lose yes, i will push reality down to people's throat without caring about the consequences.
i would rather die a human than live as a sheep

>>12682223
If all hospitals worldwide are overwhelmed, then it's not your fault. If most hospitals (including those in lax lockdown/mask areas) are not overwhelmed and your specific hospital/city is, then it's your fault.

>>12681387
hello
small percentage can mean big number
these are death rates with treatment taken into account
a lot of people 50+ would be fucking dead without healthcare in place, we cant let that collapse
t. actual fucking doctor

>>12682431
>dead without healthcare in place
>we cant let that collapse
how many hospitals could they build,
If they used all the money that they used for vaccines campaign?
>a lot of people 50+
this is not a reason to prevent people from supporting themselves and living their lives

Sweden seems to be doing fine, even without strict lockdowns.

>>12682496
No point in having hospitals if you can't staff them.

>>12681744
People are always dying, it’s kind of what they do

>>12681387
>>12681396
>>12681400
>>12682506
I think it's hilarious how the site known for its massive population of shut-in NEETs is now screeching about "muh re-opening" simply because they were told that le libtards didn't support it.

>>12682538
Then go off yourself faggot

>>12681400
Funny how a shithole that dont test people have less cases.

>>12682587
I'll play the russian roulette with 99.997% survival chance if you will promise to never leave your house.

>>12682614
True.

>>12682576
Joke's on you, I took a vow to go for a walk every single day since the lockdowns were announced. A cozy habit.

>>12682619
How about with a 95% chance? Everyone a badass till they gotta die themselves.
I'll only stay in my house if you kill yourself on live stream. Just fucking kill yourself seriously. You're literally advocating for other people being "Acceptable casualties" while you literally wont take one for the team and off yourself. Come on bro, set an example, just gas yourself.

>>12682633
>You're literally advocating for other people being "Acceptable casualties"
How can they become casualties if they don't ever leave their houses? Practice what you preach, okay?

>>12682576
The site is known for shut-in NEETs, but I'm an extravert who's suffering mate.

>>12681406
cringe

>>12682576
>"ah, so you're a NEET cavedweller, but you don't want the other 99.9% of society to be unemployed and stuck at home. Curious"

>>12682642
Gz, you figured out what quarantine is you literal retard. They cant become casualties if they dont leave their house.
Another victory for Socratic questioning

>>12682682
>I'm just concerned for other people's health and well-being bro, it's totally not just because I hate le libtards

>>12682798
Congrats, so I can't harm them even if I go out and have a nice walk in crowded spaces. To each his own: let the quarantiners quarantine! But you don't need the government to tell you to stay home: you can do it on your own!

>>12682647

>>12682811
Aren't you paying attention? I want to go out... but lockdowns :-(

>>12682810
You really dont know what infection vectors is? Like, im getting down to earth real honest here. Are you arguing from the perspective of someone who knows? Im literally unsure whether or not you're pretending to be a retard or a real retard?

>>12681885
>overwhelming hospitals
how many hospitals have been overwhelmed? why aren't we hearing about all the hospitals being overwhelmed?

>>12682576
>why do you care about the well being of your society

>>12681387
>no seriously what the fuck is the problem?
Media is the problem along with politicians.

>>12682807
>I'm just concerned for other people's health and well-being bro
No one said that, you strawmanning faggot
We just dont want the economy to collapse and take us with it

>>12682825
"i want to overwhelm you like covid overwhelms hospital" sounds like a good pickup line.

>>12682821
>You really dont know what infection vectors is?
Yes, they are "stay the fuck home. if you do, don't complain about outside world and if you don't, don't complain about outside world too"

The majority of the people who are at risk from dying from corona are dysgenic in some way or another. Letting it just do it’s thing would literally benefit humanity in the long run.

>>12682506
yeah, they just peaked 12 000 deaths, so about 20 times more than the amount that Norway has, on about 8,5 times the infected.

>>12682894
If it's so bad, then what caused all those deaths a decade ago?

>>12682901
which deaths?

>>12682858

>>12682905
.... the graph dude. It shows deaths over time. In the year 2020, factoring in all those 12 000 scary COVID-19 deaths... the aggregate death count is still less than half what it was over a decade prior. Those deaths.

>>12682913
The graph showing a downward trend from 2000 all the way up to 2020?

>>12681387
You should also consider two other factors:
1. Not everyone who has had covid and easily lived has been tested.
2. If the fat american population were even marginally healthier the death rate could be almost an order of magnitude smaller.

So those numbers make it look worse than it actually is.

>>12683022
Will you stop fat shaming people?

We need them to continue consuming. The health care system is not about health.

>"but the hospitals are being overwhelmed!"
If someone says this, it's 100% proof that they're fucking retarded and emotionally-manipulated by sensational headlines
Hospitals are ALWAYS overwhelmed, this is why on a regular day in any city you have to wait even for an emergency room visit
So yes, hospitals are full during covid, but they were also full before covid, and they will be full long after covid

>>12683521
You really don't know what you're talking about do you?

>>12682280
fuck thats hard, why do you have nothing to lose tho?

>>12683540
Point out what I said that's incorrect
Be very specific

>>12683568
Hospitals are always overwhelmed.

>>12682818
go innawoods

>>12683574
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-26/us-hospital-beds-were-already-maxed-out-before-coronavirus-pandemic

>>12683584
That's why we stopped performing many surgeries and made follow up appointments staggered and were more careful with deciding hospitalization so we could take the burden of COVID
But we couldn't because the system is run by greedy people who want to make the most money and refuse to build up infrastructure

>>12683584
Add covid on top of that, what would happen do you think?

>>12682272
Based and hearthpilled

>>12681387
Let's say 'survival' from something includes being a quadraplegic; you really want to live that way if you can avoid it?
Wuhan FaggotPlague can fuck your shit up for YEARS. You really want to take the chance?
You can get it more than once. How many times do you think you can get this faggot virus before it fucks your shit up so bad you die anyway? 2? 3? 4?
Meanwhile everybody fucking is sick all the time and everything collapses because there aren't enough well people to keep things running. You want THAT, too?

You're either a dumbass or you're some foreign faggot trying to convince people to fuck shit up in our country. Either way fuck the fuck off asshole.

>>12683655
what are you talking about? you do sealize that there is such a thing as immunity right?
The covid restrictions don't actually avoid anything. Covid is carried in water droplets. just tell people not to be all over each other and things would have been fine.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971216310104

>>12682576
>thinking we are all neets now
Really?

>>12683655
>yo do you think its a game?!
>You can get it more than once like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,78,8,8,9,6,89,6,,87,8
>our country!
>our country!
>You really want to take the chance?
>Meanwhile everybody fucking is sick all the time
>all the time
>and everything collapses
>You want THAT, too?
>Either way fuck the fuck off asshole.

>>12683718
wojak posters are the stupidest ones on this site
literally r*ddit tier posts

>>12683718
KEKed

>>12683725
>wojak posters are the stupidest ones on this site
literally r*ddit tier posts

>>12682633
I'll agree with a portion of this. Everyone's a badass until they face the shit. I've had long covid and I still face days that are as bad as when I first got it nearly a year ago. Living it is everything. If you haven't lived it you really don't know. This isn't just about my suffering under covid it's changed my life view in general. Never thought it would get like this. Fuck this disease and fuck post viral syndrome.

>>12681885

>>12682894
20 times nothing is still nothing.

>>12684545
epic post, anon.

>>12681923
>Don't overwhelm the hospitals then.
I agree. We need to do what we can to not overwhelm hospitals
>Don't send covid patients to nursing homes then.
Are you retarded? It's difficult to know if someone has Covid before they go to the nursing home and usually these thing start due to the workers spreading it as someone in their family got infected. Even with spending money and testing every other day this still happens.

>>12682431
>hello
>hello
>a lot of people 50+ would be die dead without healthcare in place
>small percentage can mean BIG noomber
>we cant let that collapse
>>12683655
>everything collapses
>these are death rates with treatment
>hello
>small percentage
>would be fucking dead without healthcare
>taken into account
>a lot of
>a lot of
>a lot of
>hello
> we cant let that collapse
>t. actual fucking doctor

>>12681400
>not even 10 deaths per milion, worst case
Hoax confirmed

>>12683521
>Hospitals are ALWAYS overwhelmed, this is why on a regular day in any city you have to wait even for an emergency room visit
Exactly retard. So overwhelming them more would be unbelievably stupid

>>12685195
why is there money for a vaccination campaign but not for building hospitals?

>>12682280
>i will push reality
So you do have something to lose after all?

>>12685204
Do you have an endless supply of doctors and nurses?

>>12684545
What about 20 times nothing to its own power?

>>12685457
Until a human extinction event, yes, the amount of doctors and nurses is as unbounded as the vaccine supply.

>>12685457
i bet that they can grab some from the private sector, but its not even the problem the main problem is in the facility space equipment, Instruments, medicines.
remember the case in Italy, when they printed equipment that was missing from the breathing machines and then the manufactures sued them?
it just shows you how badly things are managed.
people would not get into a critical situation if they did something about it

>>12685517
>but its not even the problem the main problem is in the facility space equipment, Instruments, medicines
You'd be wrong.

>>12685526
less people in critical situation means more equipment's, this is the real problem https://industryeurope.com/sectors/healthcare/medical-firm-threatens-to-sue-volunteers-that-3d-printed-life-saving-valves/

>>12685535
Did you check the date on what you're linking?

>>12685563
how the date is even relevant?

>>12685569
I don't know champ, don't you think we've ramped up production of critical equipment since march?
You can build all the hospitals and produce all the equipment you want but it's absolutely useless without qualified personnel.

>>12685166
Yes, when the horrible pandemics does not give you even the worst year in a decade, it's nothing.

>>12682576
I don't mind staying home all day, but if you tell me I HAVE to stay home then we have a problem.
First is voluntary, second is mandatory.
Just because you like what your master makes you do it doesn't make you any less a slave.

>>12682927
Yes. Why didn't we lockdown when the deaths were higher than now?

>>12685670
Unironically this. If all the lockdowns and masks would have been recommended, I would have stayed at home most of the time and used the masks. Now I made a rule for myself to go out every single day and of course avoid masks.

>>12682927
Without transhumanism immortality utopia you reach the point when you have too much old people and mortality goes up. Japan reached it long ago, Sweden managed it only now.

>>12683607
Nothing spectacular, like Florida shows.

>>12683655
>Wuhan FaggotPlague can fuck your shit up for YEARS. You really want to take the chance?
There is a chance to be hit by a meteorite too. Yes, I want to take chances if not taking them means basically prison.

>>12685585
>don't you think we've ramped up production of critical equipment since march?
but that is what doctors are constantly complaining about, that there is not enough equipment and storage space for everyone.
that's why people die

>>12685693
California proves otherwise
>Inb4 libtards so idc

IDK anons, I don't think it's a good idea to let a virus with an R_0 value this high become globally endemic.

Just a thought

>>12683685
>just tell people not to be all over each other and things would have been fine
you can't even get these retards to wear masks, which do exactly that - protect against the majority of droplets escaping and getting inside

>>12685686
so you're just acting liek a retard for the sake of being contrarian?
that's so fucking juvenile

>>12685886
Yes, dictatorships should be fought against.

>>12685868
If its R0 is that high then why didn't it get 100% of Earth population already? Especially since there isn't much difference between lax lockdowners and strict lockdowners.

>>12685937
that's not how the R0 number works, it just tells you that the virus spread will accelerate. It would still take years to spread to everyone. The measures put in place are already controlling the spread too, so it is spreading less quickly.

And there is a big difference between lax and strict lockdown, just compare sweden (lax) to neighboring nordic countries (strict).

Link below contains the comparison:

https://www.corona.help/compare/linear/denmark/finland/norway/sweden

>>12685930
"waah don't tell me what to do about this one arbitrary thing" - you
why don't you fight the myriad other things they compel you by force of law not to do, like robbery, murder, painting street murals, or erecting monuments of art in arbitrary public spaces? why is it that you decide to rebel against this rational policy, instead of the dozens (or even hundreds) of absurd ones?

>>12686019
Just compare Sweden to Belgium or USA (specifically New York since it likes strict lockdowns).

>>12686038
Because you can list ten covid policies and each one will be worse than almost everything countries introduced in decades before.

>>12686019
That's how it works: if you have R0 noticeably above 1, you get an exponential growth quickly affecting everyone. If case number stagnates or goes down, then R is 1 or smaller.

>>12686044
the reason I compared it to neighboring nordic countries is because they are comparable.

Roughly the same geography, population density, and society.

This is not true if you'd compare Sweden to Belgium or New York, which is why I didn't do that. Because there would be too many potentially confounding factors.

Out of the four nordic countries on the european mainland, only sweden went for a lax policy towards corona. They have had no enforcement of rules, only recommendations. That is the single factor that easily explains the difference.

>>12686069
No, you are just trying to cherrypick (and isn't even doing it good because, for example, masks were just recommended in said countries and their usage were pretty low compared to many record-breaking countries)

>>12686038
Because this is one of those absurd ones my man.

>>12686064
not "everyone", the R0 doesn't paint the whole picture. And it's not an exponential, it's a sigmoid: it starts exponential, becomes linear, then plateaus. You need at least a SIR model to get an estimate for how long it takes for "everyone to get infected", which would assume nothing was done to stop the spread.

The spread was controlled, which is one reason that it hasn't spread to "everyon", but even otherwise it would take longer.

>>12686083
>comparing the nordicks is cherrypicking
This fucking board I swear.

>>12686083
I'm not cherry picking, you are. I present with, and you say "but what about these unrelated countries". That does not even question the validity of the initial comparison, it's just a lazy deflection. The comparison is solid, please find a reason why it would be invalid.

And really, "but masks"? Masks are only one part of the story, and less effective than an actual lockdown. Finland has made school and university remote, work is recommended to be remote (and there are tax incentives for this), shortened opening hours for bars, restricted travel at the border, and even at one point during the spring inside the border. Allowing no non-work traffic between Helsinki and the rest of the country.

>>12686120
People on here are retarded pseuds. Wish there was some good science forum. Legit only thing I do now is come here to see how dumb people are and answer a few qs in /med/ or /sqt/

>>12686132
s/present with/present evidence/

>>12686092
> And it's not an exponential, it's a sigmoid: it starts exponential, becomes linear, then plateaus.
Of course it will plateau after reaching saturation (when everyone or at least a large majority got the disease). Are you trying to say that it's the case and we already have herd immunity?

>>12686140
No, I'm saying we are nowhere near that, and that control has worked.

>>12686145
Then states which mostly opened up and ditched masks will do vastly worse than still-lockdowners getting into exponential growth. In practice that's not the case and mostly opened states plateau and go down no worse than strict ones.

>>12685868
If governments had stepped in sooner, this may have been possible. A short, strict, and early lockdown would have been best, but unfortunately that would have been racist.

>>12686161
I don't understand your argument, could you elaborate, and maybe show some evidence.

>>12686133
Yeah, I'm struggling with the same.

>>12686132
>but what about these unrelated countries
They are pretty related as an example of strict lockdowners.
>The comparison is solid, please find a reason why it would be invalid.
Please find me a reason why comparison with Czechia/UK/Belgium is invalid. Just don't start talking about population density, otherwise we will add Greenland to Denmark.

>>12686133
>>12686196
Now kiss.

If you are staying home, you will get no covid.
If you are loitering around, why shouldn't I do the same?

>>12686196
Honestly considering just leaving the internet and becoming a hermit. There are so many retards here and on other social media sites who consider their opinions anything other than the trash it is.

>>12686219
Being alone is even more perfect for samepersonning than chatting at /sci/.

>>12686199
Population density is importan. But Greenland is an island, you dumbfuck, it has no land border with other countries. And it's not in the same cluster of countries as the nordics.

You need to match as many variables as possible, otherwise one of them could be an additional factor.
Or at least, you need to be able to control for the other variables. I don't need to do that since mine don't vary that much. But you would, since you would be comparing apples and oranges.

Minimizing confounding factors is important.
It's why you don't compare the suicide rates of young college-educated women in America in the 2010s with those of elderly Japanese salarymen in the 1980s. You will learn nothing if the variables are too different.

>india
>10 times better covid stats than US
Praise the Hinduism
>pakistan and bangladesh
>20-30 times better covid stats than US
Praise Islam too.

>>12681387
you're literally thinking like stalin
>one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic
>oh what if my sister was murdered, the chances of someone like her being murdered are 0.001%, she's just a statistical anomaly, so everything's cool
every life counts you cunt

>>12686238
>Population density is importan.
No, total population density is absolutely irrelevant.
Greenland is empty and does not impact total Danish numbers in any way
Lapland is empty and does not impact total Swedish numbers in any way
Do the same for Russia, Canada and so on.

>>12686238
The existence or lack of land borders is irrelevant in a modern society. If they were, this shit wouldn't be pandemic. Italy, a peninsula, would not have been one of the initial hotspots.

>>12686251
If you don't want your sister to be murdered, force her to stay home and wear a mask... burqa if she ever goes out.
>but that's victimblaming
But that's literally covidist ideology. Horseshoe theory is fun, isn't it?

>>12686238
No, you need to show that these factors actually matter and provide a high correlation with covid numbers. Vague "but these countries had similar history" is not a good argument.

>>12686219
I've been away from this shithole since before Christmas 2bh and it's been great. Social media is 95% pure cancer unfortunately.

>>12686251
>like stalin
I'm just amazed by your stupidity, if this economy will collap in your opinion it will lead to 0 consequences?
people will not die from it eventually?
what about the simple solution that those in the risk groups will sat at home, and that the rest(%99.9) survival rate could continue their lives and support themselves?
this rhetoric is already sucking from the finger, grow up retard

>>12683655
>Wuhan FaggotPlague can fuck your shit up for YEARS
are you from the future?

People still arguing this crap a year later. Everything you guys predict is wrong. /pol/ is never right. You people are idiots, the equivalence of flat earthers and moon landing deniers.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

>>12686288
oh no muh economy muh billionaires muh corporations
oh no we can't embrace this opportunity to level the playing field and fix this retarded system that breeds inequality once and for all
that would be bad for some reason!!

I buy things only in stores which don't require any masks.
Among those I prefer stores where the clerks don't wear masks too. Wearing masks under noses/on chins is a bit worse, but there is one exception: in a drugstore I like the the clerk was wearing the mask not on her chin, but literally on one ear. That was weirdly cute.

>>12686302
>implying Stalin didn't come to power via a movement attempting to accomplish exactly that

>>12686303
Nice blog faggot. You want to tell us how much cum you guzzle down next?

>>12686302
>fix this retarded system
no, but you know what will happen instead?

>>12686307
Lenin wanted that
Stalin hijaked the revolution

>>12686299
>it was predicted that covid is a somewhat bad seasonal cold
>it turned to be a somewhat bad seasonal cold
>it was predicted that anti-covid measures will be worse than covid
>they are worse than covid
>it was predicted that they will not help
>they did not help
Shall we continue?

>>12686313
Salty masker.

>>12686299
QQ moar faggot. Explain this shit. A demographic of humans in their prime age, 25-44.
>Total excess deaths 28k
>Within same time span, only 7k deaths attributed to COVID-19
So 75% of the excess deaths have nothing to do with COVID. Perhaps lockdowns, preventing people from getting the care they need, plays a role?

>>12686302
I hate to tell you, but corporations only won from the whole affair.

>>12686321
Are you confusing "seasonal cold" with influenza or are you just so retarded and uninformed you don't know the difference?

>>12686321
DERP DERP DERP
>>12686329
>75% of the excess deaths have nothing to do with COVID
Post proof.

>>12686329
>@jaydpauley Analyst: Marketing, Sales, Sports, Strategy & Planning
Explains a lot of the absolute state of this board.

>>12686350
Seasonal cold is the thing which rises and disappears when the seasons change. Like, umm, covid?

>>12686353
Covidist utterly btfo. Let's reiterate
-covid is still a seasonal cold
-anti-covid measures are still worse than covid
-they still don't help
-this will continue to be true (unless of course sanity will prevail)

>>12686353
The proof is in the data.
>https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
Go to Options, Download Data, Weekly Deaths by State and Age
>https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities
Just sum numbers from 25-34 and 35-44

>>12686353
>Post proof.
Do you think that government is hiding covid deaths in a conspiracy?

>>12686332
shares of Pfizer and Biontech have actually risen quite a bit

>>12686240
Let's add that Bangladesh population density is 30 times larger. Bangladesh is truly a shining light of covid destruction.

>>12686359
There's nothing called "seasonal cold". Do you mean the common cold? Please don't tell me you think covid is comparable to the common cold.

>>12686385
God protects his chosen
South Asians are the true master race
They are the true chosens

>>12681502
>Just an unrelated question, are you pro-life?
What race is it?

>>12686385
>>12686394
Aryan=India Pakistan Bangladesh

Imagine sitting down in from of someone in a train. Then you slowly put your mask down and give them a huge smile. This should brighten their mood for the whole day.

>>12686392
>Please don't tell me you think covid is comparable to the common cold.
As in both are kinda irrelevant?

Covid threads sure are fun. They are probably as fun as consciousness threads. You can chat about these topics forever.

>>12686398
Imagine being a faggot like this anon.

>>12683655
Master Foo smiled, and said “When your house is well constructed, there is no need to add pillars to keep the roof in place.”
The novice replied “Would it not be better to use these things anyway, just to be certain?”
Master Foo reached for a nearby ball of string, and began wrapping it around the novice's feet.
“What are you doing?” the novice asked in surprise.
Master Foo replied simply: “Tying your shoes.”
Upon hearing this, the novice was enlightened.

>>12683567
all my life i have suffered from feelings of inferiority, i hate money and the hierarchical system that exists in the world, a complete cliché I know and i dont care. my belief system and my supreme values made me shudder from what we will be from this world and in fact what he has always been. this crisis is just one example of how blind people are

>>12686429
Faggot lol

>>12686257
Are you really this stupid? If a person can drive a car or take a train form one country to another, there is an order of magnitude more traffic compared to the alternative.

In addition, an airfield or port is a bottleneck where you can easily turn people back, tell them to quarantine, or test them.

>>12686254
Good thing I didn't say total population density then.

>>12686269
All countries essentially function the same way.
They have similar schooling systems, political systems, economies, welfare systems, healthcare systems, and infrastructure. People behave roughly the same way in all four countries, and population (the object being affected by the virus) is distributed similarily in all four countries.

That is my argument, now it is your job to show that it is invalid.

>>12686507
That's an incredibly vague statement, so it's not even true or false. I can say that all European countries are basically the same and it will be as vague and as true as yours.

>>12686507
better yet, read this paper, and tell me why its conclusions are wrong: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1403494820980264

>>12686536
Are you seriously telling me all European nations are "basically the same"? That Poland and Sweden are the same? That Germany and Greece are the same? That Belgium and Albania are the same?

That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Europe is massively diverse, and the histories of each region has created huge differences in the wealth, education, and welfare of nations.

Have you even been to Europe? Or even read about it? Here, I'll start you off easy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe

Go educate yourself, you ignorant bastard.

>>12682576
Dude it has been an entire year.

>>12686537
>COVID-19 pushed Sweden’s health system to
its capacity, exposed systemic weaknesses in the seniors’ care system, and revealed challenges with implementing effective
contact tracing and testing strategies while experiencing a high case burden. Looser government restrictions at the beginning
of the outbreak are likely to have played a role in the impact of COVID-19 in Sweden. In an effort to improve epidemic
control, Sweden has increased testing rates, implemented more restrictive prevention measures, and increased their intensive
care unit bed capacity
weird conclusion considering it's published by canadians hmmmm

>>12686556
Yes, Sweden, Denmark, Czech Republic, UK, Spain and so on are very different nations with different cultures. Every nation matters, together we are one!

>>12686561
wtf does this mean, does being Canadian disqualify you from doing science? Holy shit you're actually insane.

>>12686586
Yes. Stupid leaves!

>>12686586
>does being Canadian disqualify you from doing science?
Yes

>>12681387

WEAR THE MASK INCEL

>>12686617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjrsVm3olsk

>>12686766
oh god

>>12686617
>health heroes
The only emergency service worker that can even be loosely considered a "hero" are volunteer firemen. God I fucking hate hero worship.

>>12681387
test

>>12682576
>you post on 4chan therefore you must be a neet therefore you never leave the house therefore you must like lockdowns
What the fuck is wrong with liberals?

>>12682576
If people aren't working, they're not making money, which means they aren't being taxed, which means I'm not getting my neetbux.
Parasites die if the host gets sick, you dumb fuck wagie.

TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiCQcEW98OY

>>12682576
>stay in your basement you neet!
>but you actually MUST stay in your basement, or else!
>wear the tinfoil hat, you conspiratard!
>but you should actually wear a muzzle, you conspiratard!

>>12688601
>muzzle
It's literally a piece of cloth, you are not being "muzzled".

>>12688616
>It's literally a piece of cloth
>you are not being "muzzled".
That's a non-sequitur, you are most certainly being muzzled. But why won't you wear a tinfoil hat too? It will prevent covid from getting on your hair.

>>12688616
brainlet take. This is a piece of cloth. I bet you're going to claim it's not a muzzle?

>>12686410
It's pretty amazing. You'd likely not have this split if lethality were bumped up or down an order of magnitude. Or, hell, if asymptomatic transmission wasn't a thing.

Things'd be a lot more boring.

All the side effects from the covid measures are actually the main goal.

>>12686395

>>12688628
You can still bite people with a mask on.

>>12681529
>doesn't care if the elderly, sick and poor die
Are you taking them out of their houses (piece-by-piece with sharp tools)?

>>12688682
If you can bite someone with your mask on, then you're not wearing it correctly.

>>12686395
this, only women of colour should be allowed the privilege of abortion

>>12688682
You need to EAT THE FUCKING MASK for that.

>>12681474
You're right, you should put that fire out quick. Like heart disease, which is a bigger fire that has been burning brightly for decades, much moreso than coronavirus. Surely we need to call attention to this and MANDATE exercise and weight reduction in the American populace to curb this menace and put this fire out. Then we can deal with problems that kill far fewer people per year. Like COVID19

>>12688703
>Surely we need to call attention to this and MANDATE exercise and weight reduction in the American populace to curb this menace and put this fire out.
Shh, they can do that, Orwell-style.

>>12688709
At this point I would unironically be in favor of a tyrannical despotic government led by a genuinely well-meaning overlord than the utter retards we have that are voted into power via democracy. The American populace is incapable of electing capable individuals into positions of power any longer.

>>12683655
>yo do you think its a game?
>you can get it more than one like 1,2,3,4,5,6,74,9,87,72,32,4,8
> our country!
> our country!
>You really want to take the chance?
>Meanwhile everybody fucking is sick all the
> fucking is sick
>everything collapses
>Wuhan FaggotPlague can fuck your shit up
>You want THAT, too?
>You can get it more than once
>foreign faggot trying to convince people
>dumbass
>Either way fuck the fuck off asshole!

>>12681502
>My body, my choice
>But you will take the FUCKING vaccine!

>>12688689
If you can't bite people with a mask on you must be suffering from a severe case of weak incel jaw. I suggest you get plastic surgery, it's your only hope.

>>12689689
I bet you don't take off your mask even when eating.

>>12681387
What part do you not understand?

>>12689846
the part that the world is getting hysteric from nothing

>>12681387
>1 in 20 elderly can die if they get it
Those are really shitty odds

>>12688694
Nice job, now there's a ton of white single mothers with mixed babies

>>12685946
>Masks, handwasing and isolation can't have an effect on the flu, it's a hoax!
This is the dumbest thing you /pol/tards crow about.

>>12682633
>You're literally advocating for other people being "Acceptable casualties"

America will get its shit pushed in hard in the next war...

>>12686370
Not being reported isn't hiding, dumb hick.

>>12691561
>let's lock up the world, destroy the economy and force vaccines that have not been properly tested because people aged 70+ may die.

>>12682633
>You're literally advocating for other people being "Acceptable casualties"

The vast majority of the people at risk from corona are dysgenic at worst or economic burdens at best. The whole of humanity would do better in the long run to let this thing run its course.

>>12686365
>NOTE: Number of conditions reported in this table are tabulated from deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period.
Post proof.

>>12691612
Well just more proof that boomers are aweful.

It's all bullshit, almost 20% of the whole fucking population in my country has had a 'vaccine'. If it actually worked, there is no legitimate reason not to reopen shops right now but they still won't

>>12681387
Time to arrest epidemiologist, for over measures.

>>12686302
Other anon is right. Only small business and wage cucks lost money here. Corporations and billionaires are getting richer from China virus

>>12686318
It'll happen again too

>>12686429
Lol, what a faggot loser you are. You lost the game of life. Just accept your loss and kill yourself tonight in minecraft like a gentleman.

(((things))) to come
measures are so extreme because it is all prep work for later

>>12681400

I think we all know these vaccines won't do shit. Just like how the mask dont do anything other than harbour viral particles.

>>12682127

Correct . Its separating the stupid and cowardly from the honest and brave chads.

>>12691596
Then how does covid spread but the flu doesn't?

>>12693277
Literally two different viruses. Different viruses have different ability to spread.

>>12693277
Flu is just being registered as covid.

>>12693298
Not really. Tests for influenza just comes back negative.

>>12686398
Just last week me and this old lady shared my 2liter of coke on a greyhound to portland. She asked and i didnt mind. Really nice experience.

>>12682576
that is true but we want the choice thats all we want

>>12682576
If you don't want to go out, it's your choice.
If you are banned from going out, it's prison.
If you don't want to go abroad, it's your choice.
If you are banned from going abroad, it's dictatorship.

>>12682576
>this pic related

>>12681474
There is a fire in my basement. It’s called my furnace pilot. Fuck off maskfag.

>>12681879
At no point in the last year have any hospitals been at full capacity or anywhere near it

>>12681387
>16 million US military personnel in ww2
> 400 thousand US military deaths in ww2
> 97.5% survival rate
What the fuck is the problem?

>>12696055
ww2 was a nothingburger

>>12696055
US military personnel was mostly below 49, so their survival rate from covid would be around 99.99%. Disease with 250 times worse mortality than covid would be actually serious.

>>12681879
How many ventilator patients die, 50% or 80%?

>>12696055
>ww2 = covid
this compression is retarded by any measurement.
lets compere covid to the spanish flu instead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
50/500 = 10% death rate
ebola
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola
>killing 25% to 90%

covid is a joke

>>12683521
Assuming that being overwhelmt is a limit, and that there isn't a further overwhelming

>>12693309
no one is really testing for influenza any longer, retarded faggot. I myself work at the ER and some friends of mine at ICUs and EVERYTHING is about corona testing.
stop spouting shit you know nothing about
nigger

>>12697184
Sure you do.

>>12697188
> nooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo a doctor that actually has higher cognitive functions and doesn't allow MSM to shove fake narratives in his asshol* HE MUST BE FAKE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
here's a (you)

>>12681387
>bro why are you using condoms barely anyone dies from STD

>>12697373
>bro why are you using condoms barely anyone dies from STD
Because fucking without condoms can lead to an unexpected pregnancy?

>>12696785
Covid is such a joke that people went onto wiki to edit the article to fit their agenda.

>>12697184
Did covid become more profitable or something?

>>12681406
Butthurt, and rent free! Winner!

>>12682836
>t. someone who wants to throw gays off roofs, put Jews in gas chambers, torture porn actors to death and enslave black people

>>12682127
>Zhao Gao was contemplating treason but was afraid the other officials would not heed his commands, so he decided to test them first. He brought a deer and presented it to the Second Emperor but called it a horse. The Second Emperor laughed and said, "Is the chancellor perhaps mistaken, calling a deer a horse?" Then the emperor questioned those around him. Some remained silent, while some, hoping to ingratiate themselves with Zhao Gao, said it was a horse, and others said it was a deer. Zhao Gao secretly arranged for all those who said it was a deer to be brought before the law and had them executed instantly. Thereafter the officials were all terrified of Zhao Gao. Zhao Gao gained military power as a result of that. (tr. Watson 1993:70)

based

>>12686019
I feel like Sweden is just biting the bullet, getting it over with. I could see Norway and Denmark having a similar graph to Sweden once they try and reopen or lift sanctions. So it may take a year or more still to see which play was best.

>>12697874
>why do you care about the well being of your society

>>12681387
The rich know the Zoomers are commie and know COVID would speed up the shift towards a more leftist population. They don't want their vote cows dying

>>12681933
>>12695667
Exactly, because we literally stopped half of the world to prevent just that.
>>12681896
This Anon is spot on. If the healthcare system falls, everything falls to pieces. The economy can recover, but lost lives create a loss in perpetuity to future economic growth, which means that the economy after X years will be better if people didn't die than if they did. In other words, if economic growth is a linear growth, locking for a while just means that we translate the line to a lower position, but people dying actually flattens the slope of the line. The people who make these decisions are long game strategists thinking of the economy of 40 years into the future, not next 3 years.

>>12682807
>Concern for others is hard to imagine
Libtard confirmed. Go burn down a police station because a black guy died from self induced drug overdose.

>>12698769
>In other words, if economic growth is a linear growth, locking for a while just means that we translate the line to a lower position, but people dying actually flattens the slope of the line. The people who make these decisions are long game strategists thinking of the economy of 40 years into the future, not next 3 years.
It's a good thing that economic growth (and population growth) isn't linear, then, and that any immediate loss will result in a recovery that reaches its old position and slope.

What are you racing for, anyways? "Oh no, we'll be 5% less wealthy in 150 years time than we otherwise would have been"
Why does it matter? What's so impossibly crucial about maximizing economic growth at all costs?

>>12698769
>Exactly, because we literally stopped half of the world to prevent just that.
Sure, and I just prevented the Sun exploding by praying to Zeus.

>>12687327
Based

>>12687360
Unfathomably based

>>12681400

>Having vaccinators and patients wear shitty surgical masks.

Based.

>>12681879
so how many hospitals they could build if they dont waste money on the vaccine development/campaign?

What's going to happen with the tons of ventilators that were procured but not needed? If they sell them pennies on the dollar at surplus, is there something useful I can use them for, like in a woodworking shop?

>>12698780
y-you shut up
i-i'm sensitive

>>12681647
>muh midwits

>>12681387
Hey dumbshit,
What are you going to do when 150,000,000 people are so sick they can't work?
What are you going to do when you've had coronavirus 2,3,4 times and it finally kills you from all the collateral damage?
What are you going to do when not enough people can work and your national economy completely collapses?
What are you going to do when your hospitals are so overwhelmed that people are dropping in the streets because they're all so sick, and there's 10 times as many of them as there are hospital beds?
You want chaos? You want anarchy? You want the actual fucking Apocalypse the godfags keep screetching about? You want your society, your civlization, to fall to ruin? You want the Black Plague of the Dark Ages, but times 1,000,000? That's what happens IF YOU IGNORE THIS SHIT.
You dumb ass.
Fucking hell. I get that some of you are so deep in DENIAL over this shit that you just can't bring yourselves to consider it, but THIS SHIT IS REAL AND DENYING IT WON'T MAKE IT GO AWAY!

>>12682576
Sure, it doesn't affect their direct lifestyles but it will affect their economic choices when smaller competitors are getting sunk by governor fiat.

>>12699442
Owned lol.

>>12699442
There are certain FUD agents here spreading FUD to destabilize society.

>>12699442
Holy shit is this irony?

>>12699442
Hey dumbshit
What are you going to do when you discover retirees don't work?
What are you going to do when you discover you've had coronavirus over 9000 times and everytime had no symptoms?
What are you going to do when you repeat point 1 all over again pretending it is point 3?
What are you going to do when your hospitals are overwhelmed with nobody because elderly in care homes have their own care and everybody is already vaccinated?

So in denial! Omg! the end of the world the shanghai shivers has 6% fatality rate over 90! must shut it all down (then deny China also caused it of cours).

Does no one care about the potential permanent lung and brain damage? I have friends who got it who say even after they got better have trouble breathing after gym sets or runs, and had noticeable performance decreases on top of that.

>>12700299
how could that possibly be real? stop watch the news, dumbass

>>12700302
For lungs, strained breathing while infected can cause scar tissue in the lungs, which means lower lung capacity.
For brain, the flu already effects the brain in the same way, with intense cases causing loss of neurons. Not to mention that the oxygen deprecation can have the same effect.

>>12700311
so you are horribly afraid of the flu also? it's not news that injury and illness of all kinds leaves scars

>>12700317
Yeah, I get a flu shot every year, nasal spray in the last few years. Wouldn't say "horribly" afraid, but I'd prefer not to get it if possible.

>>12700299
Your friends are out of shape, probably because of al of the restrictions on what used to be normal activities.

>>12698815
Thank you for your service

>>12699442
>Hey dumbshit
>What are you going to do when
>What are you going to do when
>What are you going to do when
>What are you going to do when 150,000,000 people are so sick they can't work?
>What are you going to do when you've had coronavirus 0,1,,2,3,4,7,8,9,45,3,6,67,8, times and it finally kills you from all the collateral damageres?
>ha?!
>You dumb ass.
>You want chaos?
>you are so deep in DENIAL
> You want your society, your civlization, to fall to ruin?
>Fucking hell.
>You want anarchy?
>You want the Black Plague of the Dark Ages, but times 1,000,000?
>You want your society, your civlization
>ha?!
>That's what happens IF YOU IGNORE THIS SHIT.
>THIS SHIT IS REAL AND DENYING IT WON'T MAKE IT GO AWAY!
>DENYING IT
>DENIAL
>You want the actual fucking Apocalypse?
> 10 times as many of them as there are hospital beds?
>ha?
>Fuck the fuck off You dumb ass.!

>>12681387
It collapses your hospitals and stuff that are not supposed to kill you does

>>12698803
>What's so impossibly crucial about maximizing economic growth at all costs?
Because if you don't, you'll be back at hunting, gathering or growing your own food for longer time. IMF stuff does work

>>12701223
>mythology of collapsed healthcare
>meanwhile people don't get cancer screening or treatment due to lockdowns, which kills people just as effectively as overloaded covid wards would.

>>12682576
>go to the science board
>act as if statistical outliers cannot exist

>>12701223
>It collapses your hospitals

>>12701251
>>12701255
Exactly. Except it's not cancer, but heart conditions, other lung problems and accidents.
Also, it worked. It's like saying "that was not going to happen, why did we prevent it? "
Btw, the same kind of people tend to say "that was going to happen, why didn't we prevent it? "
Of course, everyone is a coach after the game

>>12701271
>Also, it worked. It's like saying "that was not going to happen, why did we prevent it? "
See >>12698815

>>12701271
>Also, it worked. It's like saying "that was not going to happen, why did we prevent it? "
Then Sweden numbers would have been orders of magnitude worse than USA ones, not better.

>>12701291
It was Huitzilopochtli and it worked
>>12701298
Because Swedish respect more the law than Americans. But probably that's more a /b/ topic

>>12698769
>The people who make these decisions are long game strategists thinking of the economy of 40 years into the future, not next 3 years.
Kek, imagine unironically believing this

>>12701320
>It was Huitzilopochtli and it worked
Sure it did. Because if you do something (pray to god/wear masks) and then something happens (sun exploding/medical system overwhelmed), then clearly one thing was necessary for the other.

>>12701298

>>12701333
Another proof that masks kill.

>>12701333
https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/?scale=linear&data=deaths&location=Italy&location=Spain&location=Sweden&location=US&location=United+Kingdom

well I need no more prooff that I must invest in soi stocks.

Also, all of you believing what we have been pushing in the MSM have also shown that we can control humans on a whole new level.

Thank you for cooperation liberals, now put on 2 masks, stay home and STFU. We have shit to do and you are now no longer in the way

thank you