/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12680717
>shilling your Canadian mining pennystock in /sfg/
U kno it bb

hopwen?

SPACE WHALE

is putting half my life savings into maxar stock a bad idea? Legion is pretty cool ngl

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>>12680772
Romeposter is best poster

>>12680772
lmao. Good every time

>>12680772
I watched a compilation of show clips of this announcer to see what the hubbub was about, and now I can't help but read these posts with his cadence while visualizing the hand gestures.

>>12680772
~GAIUS~
~JULIUS~
~CAESAR~

>>12680772
>2023
>not MMXXIII
You almost had it

>>12680813
I know, I noticed that as soon as I hit submit.

https://twitter.com/standardsmanual/status/1358421936976625667

F

>>12680772
Based early Romeposter news.

>>12680772
hail the new Consul, and pray that he does not interfere in this province with tactless decadence

>>12680738
Hop when?

>>12680836
He's more interested in sending the legions to Syria and Mesopotamia again. I suspect the Judeans are at fault for this.

Alright, which one of you retards is posting unlabeled screenshots of my drunkposts from the NSF Forum Starship board?

>>12680843
Bless the foreign legions, and may they see swift victory if it must come to battle. But I worry, if these are not fitting territories for the empire. As much as desert backwaters with neither culture nor land of any importance

>>12680843
kek

>wings have tiles now
Did we see this coming?

>>12680860
Yes.

>>12680860
A surprise to be sure, but a based one

>>12680860

>>12680860
>wings

>>12680860
I'd be surprised if the tiles stay on desu. Especially during re-entry.

>>12680860
Tiled hinge covers when

I wonder though, hydromeme aside, could Shuttle-C with a pair of RS-68s been done?

>>12680860
Tiles on the wings is pretty obvious. I'm still unsure how they'll protect the base of the flaps.

>>12680897
Even if the belly flop was compromised. I think they could still in theory do an emergency landing. If the engines relight when they are low enough

>>12680844
ah, that would be me
you can recognize me by the blatant shitposting and the Yunoface Char Aznable avatar

>>12680860
why wouldn't they?

>>12680844
ORANGE
SRB
TUBE

>>12680738
Any brits want to tell me about their space program?

>>12680947
HMS Warspite fought valiantly in two world wars, was present at both Jutland and Normandy, and was unceremoniously scrapped by a disgusting, subhuman L*bour government. This cursed the British Isles to permanent failure and irrelevance, which was reflected in the collapse of their empire and loss of their space program.

why are there 3 sfg threads

>>12680959
old thread, new thread, fag who wont delete his thread

>>12680959
Because noone bumps sfg threads so autists make new ones without checking the catalog. Honestly we should just go back to separate threads.

>>12680772
Relentlessly based Romeposter

They ain't gonna get that landing to work.

not giving that a (You), but imagine watching the Falcon 9 land itself over 70 times and then think that the company responsible for that won't eventually be able to land their mass produced monster energy drink rockets

@12680973
ur n faget

the hardest problems according to Ol' Musky:
1. big crane :(
2. I need more engines
3. space is hard

>>12680989
>ship is already made of 4mm steel
>so light it fucking FLOATS down
>MAKE IT LIGHTER
the madman

>>12680996
If I'm not mistaken a 3mm prototype already passed the presurization tests

>>12680996
they just built and demonstrated a 3mm test tank
if they get REALLY autistic with thicknesses and their welding procedures they could shave quite a lot of mass off (just under 2mm thick in places) but it would be a balloon tank like Atlas

>>12681006
There is a tradeoff point that they will no doubt find between skin and stringer mass.

>>12681006
>balloon tank like Atlas
that's not really inducive to reusability
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imkdz63agHY

>>12681006
inb4 Starship flaps get bigger for aerobraking and it becomes like a Navaho with Raptors instead of turbojets

>>12681019
yeah, there's a happy medium somewhere in there

>>12681020
delightfully cartoony
even more so than the original Starship renders

>>12681026
*hoppy medium

>>12681027
Imagine that thing scaled up to 150 tons of payload and Falcon 9 landing legs. If it was shiny steel it would be the most rocketpunk thing ever.

Nothing will ever surpass the space kino aesthetic of 70mm hasselblads.

>>12681037

>>12681040

>>12680989
It would probably help if Raptor engines didn't constantly shit themselves after a few minutes of flying. They are meant for hundreds of hours of flight without refurbishment after all.
Also he didn't even mention the tiles. Those haven't looked super promissing so far.

>>12681043

>>12681045
the ones tested on SN8 and SN9 both survived right up until lithobraking

>>12680822
Hope he was in a good enough condition that he got to see it fly again recently.

>>12680897
The flaps only fold one direction, so it's pretty easy to make an overlapping section.

>>12680772
Based, always makes me kek

>>12680772
Maximus Kekkus

>>12681046
Why did space photography go to shit after apollo?

>>12681215
film looks better than digital

>>12681215
Digital cameras replace analogic grain and film color grading with shitty digital artifacts and noise.
Old shuttle pics still look pretty good

>>12681122
Right, I never really considered this. Guess there's no real benefit in moving them down.

>>12680755
two weeks, idk

>>12680989
Any ideas on how decoupling Starship from superheavy works ? Springs or sth ?

>>12681258
NO

>>12681289
Is it just me or it's just an ballistic missile.

>>12681319
Some say it's based on a drawing Elon did when he was a kid and that it was never supposed to fly. All we know it's not a ballistic missile, but it is the ballistic missile's space cousin.

>>12681289
Is he going to jam that up his shit pipe?

>>12681339
*claps*

>>12681339
Still useful for delivering nuclear warhead's once tesla's hypertrucks get betavoltaic batteries.

>>12680738
Can I create packet that pings between individual satelites to test theory of relativity?

Is gravito meter and accelero meter on each satelite, to test centrifugal force and stuff like nasa failed on 50 years ago?

>>12681354
No, he's jamming it into Grimes's baby chamber.

It's crazy to me that they don't use hard hats and high-visibility gear.

>>12681368
wtf are u talking about

>>12681392
so that's how they make them

>>12681019
balloon tanks are <1mm though.

Is steel really that good for starship? I know it handles temperature shifts well and yadda yadda, but it still seems crazy to me how we're essentially returning to WWII era material science.

Also, why not use Al-Li for the superheavy? It won't need to handle orbital reentry.

>>12681399
Noted, that should push SNX back with another month of investigation.

>>12681542
>returning to WWII era material science
I'm pretty sure we still build thing out of Steel, Anon.

>>12681542
m8 modern steel is the peak of optimization autism.

>>12681542
Al-Li gets really expensive really fast. Falcon 9 is cheap but Delta IV is expensive. SLS is worse and it’s even smaller than Starship/Superheavy. Stainless steel is cheap as fuck.

>>12681261
Why did the 80’s have so much soul?

>>12681402
cyber could've been hyper...

because cyber space is full of hyper.

>>12681317
Bekey pls

>>12681542
you're retarded for considering steel to be one material. it's a multitude of different materials with a wide range of properties. most modern steels are unlike what was manufactured during WWII, that is if we're not considering chink steel manufacturers. another thing to keep in mind is that heat treatment methods for steel got more advanced and cheaper over time as well, and they influence the material quality and properties quite a lot.

Ayo bros, Tesla just invested $1.5 bil in bitcoin

>>12681588
NNNOOOOO
I'm waiting for crash to buy the dip
how am I supposed to get rich like this?

>>12681319
>>12681368
>went people that don't know shit about ICBMs talk about ICBMs
It's a huge target going slow as fuck with huge air resistance slowing it down more. This does not a good warhead carrier make.

>>12681598
Starship has about the same military applications as the shuttle.

>>12681612
True but I think the X-37 is doing that work these days with a lot less press coverage.

>>12681616
The shuttle has some pretty amazing capabilities with regards to satellite repair and deploying secretive shit. X-37 though is great at what it does

>>12681542
>still seems crazy to me how we're essentially returning to WWII era material science
And we still use the wheel, that was invented thousands of years ago.
Why no improvements yet? What science has been doing??

>>12681626
The arm gave it interesting capabilities but you could stick one in the Dragons trunk if you really wanted to do EVA satellite repair.

>>12680772
This is your best one yet.

>>12681588
>Investing in shitcoin
Tesla really is a lost cause, isn't it?

>>12680772
What a cringy and autistic larping faggot

>>12680772
Upvoted :)

>>12681671
>>12681678
Reddit refugees trying to act cool; go back to r/space

Any update on the status of the orbital launch mount?

>>12681399
>this is orbital spacecraft quality control
It's going to be fun watching the starship program fail

SN11 getting wings, she gonna get rolled out soon? Double Starships at the pad again when?

>>12681715
Probably shouldn’t, sn9 was pretty close to damaging sn10 when it came down so putting two out there again is not a good idea.

>>12681710
Shit bait try harder

>>12681715
Does anyone know what happened to the green Raptor?

>>12681588
inb4 MarsCoin becomes the de facto currency on Mars

Well bros?

Bad news!
The SLS has been delayed!

>>12681735
I'm at a loss. You're better off asking deep /sfg/

>>12681732
Probably in the SN9 pile, the fact they sent it out with only an undercoat makes me think they weren't expecting it to be sitting on the coast very long.

>>12681738
Oh no!
Anyways

>>12681399
Maybe because that sorta safety shit is all a meme ?

>>12681735
is he asking about the long term surivability of a craft or about FTL or some shit?

>>12681627
git gud

>>12681399
Construction worker that cares about safety more than most here, hard hats are a waste of time if there isn't anything above you.
It shits me when sites insist on all that shit when:
a) there is nothing above you
b) the thing above you weights multiple tons
We use to joke that when they forced us to wear hard hats for 10 ton lifts it was just so you got pushed into the helmet making it easier to clean you up.

>>12681760
I've had a hard hat save my life a couple times on a site, I'd wear one regardless if I had to or not.

>>12681765
Idk I posted it because it made me laugh. I think what he's trying to say is "do we have any known material that could survive in space this long? If not, then we should just use anti gravity aircrafts instead of rockets."

>>12681782
>just use anti gravity aircrafts instead of rockets
FUCK why didn't I think of that, brb claiming neptune

>>12681734
blockchain wouldn't work on Mars for a lot of reasons, unfortunately. Needs dedicated hardware distributed across a large number of machines in order to be safe.

>>12681778
Yea when you are working with people above you, wear a hard hat
Or if you are working in a shop with things moving around at head height, prolly worth wearing it

Otherwise it’s only worn when the inspector comes

>>12681774
It's not for your safety lol, it's to prevent you from being able to sue your employer when you bonk your head on some sharp corner and have to sell your house to pay for a couple of stitches

>>12681579
Has anyone ever asked about how feasible titanium would be as a material to make starships out of?

Wouldn’t it do better at high temperatures and be much lighter than steel making getting to space so much easier?

Or would it be too expensive?

https://twitter.com/LMUKNews/status/1358782747385487364
Mahia vibes from the Scotland launch site

>>12681821
>titanium
Massive bitch at machining, welding and basically everything aside from being the meme metal

>>12681821
it REALLY likes oxygen

>>12681820
I'm not American but yes a lot of bullshit rules are put in place because they know they guys will break them and then when someone gets seriously fucked up or killed the company is safe because he was breaking the rules.

>>12681722
Aren't both 10 and 11 made of older steel so it's not a big deal if 11 gets damaged? I do agree that it would be unwise and that landing needs much more testing but I wouldn't put it past Elon to prefer PR over saving a few millions.

>>12681830
>park SN11 just outside the midbay
>fly SN10
>SN10 explodes on landing again
>SN11 starts rolling down the road before sunset that same day
Just drive a bulldozer out to the pad and shove all the smoldering debris off to one side.

>>12681735
Diamond is the hardest metal, obviously.

>>12681827
You mean it rusts?

>>12681830
Starships cost $10 Million or so to build.

>>12681855
Not him but doesn't titanium oxide burn like crazy?

>>12681040
>>12681043
>>12681046
Oh god, don't stop anon!

Will the Starship be the Model T of space travel?

>>12681901
In some ways yes. Will it be affordable for the common man? No. But will it cause a paradigm shift for the entire industry? Yes.

>>12681901
Yes, in a lot of ways: assembly line focused, any color you want as long as it's chrome, cost-reduction mindset.

>>12681901
In the future every big college will have an orbital Starship laboratory.
>Starship Aggie and Starship Longhorn are not allowed to be within 50km of each other
Some things never change

>>12681901
>women astronauts gooofing off while the men unload the ship

Yup

>>12681710
Don't bet on it dude. Remember how many people there were shitting on the Falcon 9 program for the longest time? Look how that turned out for them.

>>12681938
Starship Miskatonic somehow got painted The Color Out of Space and the Elder Sign on the flaps.

>>12681901
That ass alone justifies the pursuit of mechanical compression suits.
I think Starship will have a longer lasting legacy than Model T as an actual vehicle in use. More like the spaceship equivalent of the AK47.

It is interesting that Starship development seems to be going toward having the whole thing reusable before the maiden flight. Falcon 9 was sending up payloads while testing landing, wonder if we will see the same for Starship.
>Starship launches 400 Starlink satellites
>Booster lands
>Starship RUDs
>You still have an additional 400 Starlinks up and valuable data for Starship
Would be interesting to see desu

>>12681971
>That ass alone justifies the pursuit of mechanical compression suits.
Hard agree

>>12681969
When SpaceX goes public I will short them

>>12681990
They will never go public or at least not with Musk around.

>>12681983
Can’t test reentry without an orbital launch lol but reentry ain’t hard so there is that

>>12681983
Even if they land perfectly in tact, which would mean they're probably overbuilt in some areas anyway, the first batch will probably be decommissioned and thoroughly inspected. I think that's what they did with the first F9 landings, it's what I'd do in their shoes anyway

>>12681990
It would probably go about as well as your TSLA short, but that's the price you pay when you have Musk Derangement Syndrome(MDS).

>>12681556
>Al-Li gets really expensive really fast.
Surely that's the point of using reusable rockets, to get the most out of your material investments? I'd understand if ShitLS was to use cheaper alloys, but starship? That don't make much sense.

>>12682043
>starship
Was supposed to say Superheavy here.

OH NO NO NO NO
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hey why is the road closed and the pad clear?

>>12681386
Isn't that how they did that "teleportation" experiment that was a headline a few months ago

>>12682043
Reusability does reduce the impact of up front cost, but more up front cost is never good. Especially if you're rapid prototyping like SpaceX is, and you have to consider not only the tradeoff of cost but of time as steel is so easy to source and work. Anyway, Starship didn't even go for steel strictly for cost reasons, it's the best material for the job.

>>12682038
Worse. TSLA is held up by meme magic. SpaceX/Starlink will have great fundamentals AND Musk meme magic

>>12682057
Gah now imagine 18m+ starship

>>12682058
Where did this van come from that went by the cam?

>>12682057
Look at the disgusting metal, bros.
This shit will fall apart before getting into low Earth orbit.

>>12681735
A ship made of platinum or gold would survive the longest in terms of avoiding corrosion

Shelby retirement is official. Seems like the floor is about to fall out under the feet of oldspace's lobbying power.

>>12682060
Sure prototypes have to be cheap the way Elon is cranking them out, but would it really be more cost efficient to use less sophisticated materials in the finished product. Also, I'm aware of Starship requiring steel due to heat reasons, I'm mostly talking about the 1st stage here.

>>12681838
>diamond
just build your spaceship with netherite

>>12682067
Reminder that this is what F9 looked like before they actually made the factory production models. The jump between these serial number prototypes and actual Starships is going to be based

>>12682079
Boron nitride memetube.

>>12681827
Just look at what happened to that first Crew Dragon capsule. Nobody even knew titanium could do that shit.

>>12682077
Aluminum fatigues

Did NASA put a camera on the skycrane this time or are they lame

>>12682077
>but would it really be more cost efficient to use less sophisticated materials in the finished product
Yes. For one, less sophisticated doesn't mean worse, Li-Al wouldn't be much better if at all due to stainless' cryo performance. For two even if the switch had benefits they'd be small and would take ages to pay off the capex invested into putting two different construction methods and materials into the vehicle when one cheaper one would have sufficed. And keep in mind Superheavy is a first stage and one with a conservative profile, it also benefits far less than Starship from mass removal.

>>12682081
Will the real version shine like this?

>>12682113
Musk said it's supposed to look like a mirror. And the welds/dents will be hard to notice once they start using robots to build them instead of artisan welders

>>12682057
Why does Mk 1 still get used for comparisons?

>>12682119
Ah yes, I forgot I was obligated to update the photo every time a new starship comes out of the factory despite the fact that they are all the same size

>>12682119
cope
America is going to Mars on a rusted canister

>>12681579
>titanium starship
The autistic obsession by the space community to make things as light as possible must end.

>>12682111
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't SpaceX already manufacture Al-Li stages for Falcon 9? Despite the meager savings from dry mass shrinkage on the first stage, surely they have the technology to do it, hell they're using it on Falcon right now.

>>12682116
>artisan welders
What a boastful way of saying "below minimum wage spics"

>>12681774
>t. mexican

>>12682157
Yeah well I wanted to be nice about it
>>12682137
Osmium starships when bros?

>>12681950
those aren't real females they're traps, brought along for ever missions. They have to keep their figure or it will be gay to use them for sexual relief.

>>12682158
t. Guy who wears a hard hat when he’s working by himself indoors

>>12681990
Thunderf00t, don't you have any evolution deniers to shit on?

>>12682128
What a gay way of responding

>>12682173
Okay I'll spell it out in plain English. People made a bunch of these comparisons back when Mk1 was the only full-scale prototype we had. Why the fuck would we go back and update it with SN9, SN9, SN10, etc. That would be like going back to a diagram from the 70's that compared the shuttle Columbia with the Saturn V and constantly changing it to Challenger, Discovery, Atlantis, and Endeavour. It doesn't fucking matter. They are all the same size. Mk1 never flew and is drastically different than what we have now, but it's the same size as all other Starship models. Now do you have another question to ask or do you understand?

>>12682188
I just meant your condescending sarcasm was gay. Like they way a woman would respond to criticism.

Realistically, when can we expect the Starship's first mission to space?

>>12682200
End of 2022

>>12682199
Ah. Apologies then, I was in a sarcastic kind of mood

>>12682204
Damn, we'll all be old by then.
So much for Mars colonization..

D****s soon

>>12682200
realistically, 2024

>>12681855
it burns

>>12682165
No you homo they're just tomboys, they're the ultimate women for the pioneers of the future

>>12681867
I'll make a thread on hr anon, it's too annoying having to scale down to 4mb

>>12682216
Why is the GOP so rapidly disassembling? Like 4 GOP politicians died from "covid" last year. Several Bush-era Republicans are stepping down.

>>12682077
super heavy also requires steel for heat reasons

>>12682108
yes, cameras and microphones all over this lander
>>12682128
they're not the same size, the Mk1 mockup is smaller than the other Starships

>>12682233
Did Jan 6th get memory holed already? Republicans are having to deal with a large amount of their constituents being Trump supporters lost in a fantasy land of conspiracy theories and delusions of grandeur.s. They need to decide if they want to go along with the hysteria and have a chance at election, or bail out now.

>>12682233
The post bush GOP has only really been successful as an opposition party with christian/business leanings, Trump completed its conversion into a conspiracy-populist party, all the old swamp pro-business people are being continuedly purged in primaries by their own voters, so the majority of the old hats are just retiring than suffer the fate of a primary defeat at the hand of a nutjob.

>>12682233
There's multiple reasons. One is the increasing disconnect between the grassroots (aka wealthy MAGA donors) and establishment politicians like all these old bushian senators. Another reason is that they can't really get anything meaningful done in this political climate, and most of these dudes have enough money to just say fuck it and retire rather than put in the effort. Plus the GOP is declining nationally as their brand of conservatism fizzles out due to boomers dying off, meaning it's getting increasingly hard for them to win the presidency

>>12682243
Good, I look forward to some kino footage of the Perseverance landing. Also shit I didn't realize Mk1 was that different now I look like an asshole

>>12682188
>Why the fuck would we go back and update it with SN9, SN9, SN10
>Mk1 never flew and is drastically different than what we have now
answered your own question there mate

>>12682261
you are an asshole

Imagine if you will, the best possible future as a result of commercial spaceflight
>everyone, is able to buy and modify their own upper stage for coupling with community boosters for the price of a car
>rednecks get to build rickety propalox ships and probes
>police now have stations for monitoring orbital traffic to ensure no one drunk orbits
>spaceflight licenses are a regular thing now
>depots become like large scale gas stations
>the Jews don't have control over the world because of their failure to explore and conquer like the white man
>orbital bargain stores selling space junk become a thing
God damn, Elon better pull through.

>>12682256
So what party replaces the GOP?

SNX VENTING

>>12682276
>The average car driver getting to control vehicles in orbit

>>12682278
Depends on the next couple election cycles, if the new conspiracy monger GOP continuely get the tar beaten out of them, we might see a reversion back to a more moderate winning formula. If they don't suffer enough defeats then the MGT's and Boebert's become the new norm, and the GOP goes full conspiracy opposition party for the foreseeable future.

>>12682278
If I had to guess nothing. They might get pummeled in the next election or two due to moderate conservatives voting for Joe Manchin types because the republican party is now seen as insane. Eventually they'll reinvent themselves and purge the crazy

>>12682286
>one dude trying to overtake some fucker going under the orbital speed limit leaves his lane and gets into a graveyard orbit sparking a chain reaction of collisions and causing a kessler syndrome

Static fire or just cryo?

nice, so seems like this thing is landing in 2022

>>12682294
>Eventually they'll reinvent themselves and purge the crazy
They need to pivot from cultural conservatism to small-government libertarianism. IF they're smart.

>>12682293
>let’s run liberals that cheerfully import millions of dem voters every year and shit on their voter base

The Republicans are there to lose, they have been losing for 100 years
They fully agree in all things with the Democrats except for circus bullshit like abortions

>>12682308
If their voters let them, then that would probably make the most sense. The problem is the GOP primary voter is probably one of the stupidest voters to exist next to Dem NYC primary voters and West Coast Dem primary voters. The primary system as its setup is perfect for allowing small dedicated groups of nuts to purge the competency from a party.

>>12682303
Cute dreamchaser!

>>12682308
>libertarians still exist in 2021

>>12682326
That's literally their only path now. Otherwise they die and Dems form a progressive party.

>>12682326
>classical liberals

>>12682308
Cringe

>>12682333
Nothing wrong with Republicans dying, the party hasn’t accomplished anything in living memory, nor does it stand for anything

>>12682293
They really are stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one hand none of them can win primaries if they don't pander to the trump base, but they can't win general elections if they do. The GOP coalition is already so narrow, they just can't win national elections without moderate conservatives and a good chunk of independents

as far as how this impacts space, I expect most of the next several administrations will be run by democrats, meaning more climate missions etc.

>>12682333
>>12682342
GOP isn't going to die. If they lose enough, the platform will shift to something that can get younger votes. Some form of populist conservatism that focuses less on social issues maybe

>>12682312
The R's and conservatism were running a train on the Dems from LBJ to Clinton. Its only recently that they jettisoned the secret sauce of their success for the short term gains. Frankly immigrants don't matter for electoral success for decades, what matters more is how often your voting base can show up and vote. Dems used to be WWC, libs, and some minorities. The R's forced them to trade WWC for Burber's, which gave the R's short term gains such as in 2010 and 2016, but bit them in the ass in 2018 and 2020. Burber's vote more often and more consistently than working class, who are flaky voters. The same dynamic used to play out in Britain where if the weather in London and other working class towns was bad the conservatives would usually win, but if the weather was good labor would win. The R's now have the working class which has both higher ceilings, but lower floors. We will see how things play out in the future.

>>12682276
>4ASS builds plasma magnet sail ships and becomes a space pirate guild
>ULA suffers the aporkalypse and merges with an oil company to provide various cryogenic hydrocarbons as well as LH2/LOX at their Based Depots, thus becoming politically immortal at the price of dignity
>Japan continues to build cute rockets but mostly choose to buy American for manned travel
>Dimitri Rogozin arrested trying to hijack a Starship in LEO and bring it back to Russia

>>12682350
is that a disposable F9? What mission is that for?

>>12682360
> Frankly immigrants don't matter for electoral success for decades

? Immigrants are the one and only reason Trump didn’t win in a landslide
America is a country under 60% white

>>12682344
Yeah, that's the Gordian knot they created for themselves by feeding the nutjob base as a cheap way for votes.

I think the biggest determinor on its impact on spaceflight is if Dem's start winning in Texas and keep winning in the western aerospace states. If they do then spaceflight is safe as it will always be a priority for dem senatorial and congressional campaigns. Plus, its an easy way for dems to trumpet their own patriotism. If they don't spaceflight might be a bit more dicey in the future.

>>12682350
>A party with a technology/innovation-based platform and candidates like Andrew Yang.

Imagine...
Unfortunately the GOP boomers are too dumb for that pivot.

>>12682375
Only if you ignore the 10% of "hispanic" people who are really just tanner white people and who are for all intesive purposes white people.

And no, hispanic immigrants actually went for trump at way higher margins this election. The dem coalition that won was cities, white suburbs, and black people. Immigrants didn't play a role, otherwise we would've seen Texas be way closer than it actually was.

>>12681556
pretty funny how run-of-the-mill stainless steel turned out to be the optimal material for a next-generation space vehicle. It's also perfect for rapid iteration.

>>12681542
>Also, why not use Al-Li for the superheavy? It won't need to handle orbital reentry.
Neither does the F9. But it still must expend fuel to shield itself/brake via an entry burn. Even at lower speeds entering the lower atmosphere is destructive.
Super heavy is made of steel in part so that they can avoid performing an entry burn. They're hoping to simply tank the forces.

>>12680952
based. Warspite even tried to give then a 2nd chance by breaking free of its tugboat and running aground. The Brits didn't seize on the opportunity.
But for real it's tragic. Here in the US we have all kinds of awesome Warship museums. UK has light cruiser Belfast, which is nice but no capital ships of any kind.

Also the US also suffered a curse for failing to save Enterprise.

>>12682360
this anon is right. It's hard to get working class, rural voters to turn out reliably. In 2020 they did in massive numbers, but so did the opposition
>>12682376
Texas is going to be more competitive in the future, so I expect you'll see some kind of blue richard shelby emerge there eventually. I'm also not as worried as I was that democrats will just cancel Artemis or something now that Biden has come out in support of it

>>12680989
You can solve 2 and 3 by only having one engine per ship. I'm sure the FAA will see no issue with that.

https://youtu.be/01j90yvN_tA

SN10 Crytotest in progress

>>12682396
Is it launching today?

>>12682365
those are for falcon heavy I think

>>12682387
yeah, I bet if we get a dem senator from Texas we will start getting tons of deep space projects. Use SpaceX for the lifting and the oldspace companies, in CA, AZ, WA, and CO to build the modules, stations, satellites, and landers. Everyone would win.

>>12682390
And then your ship doesn't have enough power to get to orbit.

>>12682411
Have they given up trying to land the core booster?

>>12682365
Falcon Heavy center core. It’s going to be expended on purpose

>>12682435
they've done it already once, but it fell over in the ocean on the way back

>>12682435
Probably has to do with mission requirements

>>12680959
/sfg/ has become more powerful than any could imagine

>>12682278
NJP

>>12682452
don't associate us with /sfg/ east

>>12682459
MIR really was a clusterfuck but that is a great picture anon

>>12682449
Looks like it's for this:
>Q2 2021 USSF-44 U.S. Air Force $130 million Scheduled
>The first classified flight of Falcon Heavy. The contract was awarded to SpaceX for a price of under 30% of that of a typical Delta IV Heavy launch ($440 million). Payload includes two separate satellites and at least two additional rideshare payloads (including TETRA-1) and will weigh roughly 3.7 metric tons at launch. They will be launched in a direct geosynchronous orbit, necessitating for the first time a planned partially expendable launch, with only the two side-boosters recovered on droneships.
I was mostly wondering if this was the first time F9 in expendable mode has ever been used and it seems like it is. It'll be interesting.

>>12682479
>3700kg direct to GEO
Imagine the THROOST!

>>12682396
Sounds like it's done testing for the day

You will never go to Mars
YWNGTM

>>12682492
man wasn't meant to fly

>>12682459
Do you have that one in higher resolutions?

>>12682492
YWNBAW

>>12682489
To be fair though Delta IV Heavy can put 6 tons direct into GEO and Vulcan can do 7.2 tons

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1358859081629396992
TFRs for hop beginning Thursday. Hoo boy.

>>12682516
Delta IV Chubby is retired and Vulcan is a paper rocket.

>>12681901
Hopefully every Starship comes with a free copy of The International Jew and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion like the model T.

>>12682536
Delta IV still has like five launches left I think. Vulcan will definitely be a fighter with Falcon Heavy. Vulcan is actually a bit cheaper than Falcon Heavy expendable ($99-130 Million for Vulcan vs $90-150 Million for FH). Vulcan is designed for GTO and GEO misisons

>>12682507
>YWNBAW
>You will never be astronaut-worth

wtf

We will live to see the era of practical but aesthetic spacesuit?

>>12682532
>>12682558
they are ready to toss SN11 out to the field ASAP

>>12682561
I fucking hope so modern EVA suits look like shit.

>>12682558
>Tim Dodd watching SN10 crash on his hotel room

>>12682573
kek I’ve started associating this gif with Tim Dodd getting BRAAAAAP’d

>>12682558
Why are they wasting money so fast? Jeez, they need to slow down.

>>12682582
To make an omelette sometimes you need to break a few $10 million dollar eggs

>>12680738
Holy shit...SN10 Failed it’s cryo test
RIP
> https://youtu.be/NmcXbEgac9o

>>12682547
have sex

>>12682594
Go back

>>12682592

>>12682592
imagine the smell

>>12682592
the way she contracts her muscles

>>12682479
really looking forward to this one

>>12682558
>>12682532
holy shit. Though it's important to remember that the TFRs for SN9 were first issued well before it actually flew. FAA will probably hold them up again.

>>12682490
testing resuming?

>>12682516
do you have a link to these numbers? I searched but can't seem to find stats on direct to GEO.

So how will the SN10 be different from the SN9?

>>12682632
Better. Faster. Lighter.

>>12682632
probably just software upgrades to relight all three engines on the landing swing

>>12682632
minor unspecified upgrades and 3 -> 2 -> 1 engine landing procedure instead of 2 -> 1

>>12682632
hopefully it will land about 190km/h slower

>>12680772
Thanks Romepoter

>>12682599
why is this hot....

The following would probably need to happen for a Thursday hop:
>cryo today
>successful static fires tomorrow
>FTS installation and other checks Wednesday
>FAA approval by Thursday
I wonder what SpaceX sees that makes them think such a schedule is feasible.

>>12682629
>testing resuming?
Looks pressed to me.

>>12682632

I hope that the livestreams dont shit the bed. SN8 was near flawless with that but SN9 was a shitshow. Up the bitrate vastly and increase capacity for a higher amount of viewers.

>>12682651
they could also technically do the static fire today if the cryo checks out.

>>12682657
I think it's a y**tube problem, not a SpaceX problem. Burgers were saying that they're seeing everything fine.

>>12682658
That would explain the overpressure notices from last night. I don't think they issue those for cryo tests.

>>12682657
I wonder if they use Starlink for the livestreams. Don't they have it set up?

>>12680738
I prefer the Germanic name for Mars, the god of war
which in Old Norse would be Tyr
or, in English,
would be something like: Tye

this is the god Tuesday is named after, as in Old English the possessive form of his name was pronounced like "Tewes"
fun fac.

test

>>12682673
so what you're saying is we should really be calling Tuesday "Marsday"

>>12682668
Might be a new thing to placate the FAA. I mean, theoretically, it could pop on a cryotest.

>>12682629
Yeah of course.

VULCAN CAPABILITIES
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_Centaur
>27.3 tons into LEO
>14.4 Tons to GTO
>7.2 tons to GEO
>12.2 tons to TLI

>>12682665

Hmmmm. Well to be fair, in a few minutes, the livestream amassed nearly a quarter million viewers so I guess that acted as some sort of DDOS, sucking up vast amounts of bandwith in a very, very short amount of time, especialy if everyone chooses to stream it in 1080p lol.

>>12682670

Is Starlink even mature yet to do things like that?

>>12682641
>>12682644
>>12682646
Will SN10 crash as well?

>>12682697
Ask the magic eight ball

>>12681827
Also nitrogen.

>>12682695
>Is Starlink even mature yet to do things like that?
Sure, but maybe not in Texas.

>>12682697
Maybe maybe not. As long as they get data it doesn’t matter.

>>12682685
no cause the you're a latin cuck, as many nerds were in the 1500s, mashing latin, greek and english word roots together like the weebs they were
but romance languages basically do that, like "Marti" in Sp*nish, or "Mardi" in Fr*nch

>>12682089
Beta Carbon Nitride

>>12682700
Will SN11 crash?
Will SN12?
What will the final Starship look like?
When will the Starship go to space for the first time?
When will we get to Mars?

>>12682704
hopefully we'll be able to celebrate Marsday on Luna by the end of the decade

>>12682651
It's not absurd on the face of it that they could do all of those (well, maybe not the FAA approval) if no issues crop up during the testing. Test launches actually do seem to be the bottleneck at the moment. They don't build the things to be faulty, so making sure they have their ducks in a row for a launch on the earliest possible day, just in case they actually can do it then, makes sense.

Homeless people are disgusting. I hope such vermin don’t exist on Mars

This doesn't look like icing.

Give me the downlow, hardcore, awesome, redpilled truth, my bros.


Is a reactionless drive possible?

>>12682739

>>12682722
I knew someone would say this soon enough. I hope you’re being ironic. Please don’t use that term

>>12682739
>15 KB

>>12682749
Better?

>>12682746
>>12682758

>>12682599
Always the fat girls with skinny girl faces, every ”plus” model ever.
>still erect

>>12682758
Good fucking lord. Look at that hideous contraption.

>>12682727
The issue for them currently is a lack of space to have multiple projects happening at once
They should have picked a better location to build and test and hop

Looks like arkansas would have been ideal

Then barge down to the Boca Chica launch site later

>>12682752
do it again bomber harris

>>12682758
Yup, I'm thinking this one's gonna crash too

>>12682650
because you have garbage taste and a fetish for morbid obesity

>>12682492
Hence, if it requires, say, a thousand years to fit for easy flight a bird which started with rudimentary wings, or ten thousand for one which started with no wings at all and had to sprout them ab initio, it might be assumed that the flying machine which will really fly might be evolved by the combined and continuous efforts of mathematicians and mechanicians in from one million to ten million years

>>12682768
You are John Boozman and I claim my five pounds.

>>12682650
because her face didn't get fat, why did you use ellipsis?

>>12682779
NYT really had some fun "predictions".

Does wearing a space suit feel anything like wearing a bullet vest?

>>12682804
>"Experts doubt"
worth basically dick, nice

>>12682722
Ew

>>12682809
We'll just be starting the colony on Mars when you're 80 years old so you suffer intensely.

>>12682804
“””experts”””

WATCH OUT ELON

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/unleashed-jeff-bezos-looks-shift-space-venture-blue-origin-hyperdrive-rcna266

>>12682820
I wouldn't go to mars myself
it's like the wild west but with the climate of antarctica

So that was icing but it's weird.

>>12682827
>picture
is the joke there that they'll launch once in a blue moon?

>>12682830
You wouldn’t want to live in the Wild West?

>>12682827
>UNLEASHED JEFF BEZOS
why is corporate media like this

>>12682827
"Blue Moon of Kentucky won't you keep on shining"

>>12682827
Poor Elon cannot compete

>>12682722
stop beeing a romaboo and just rename mars to Tyr

>>12682827
Have to say I did wonder why the hell the richest man in the world was dressed like that

>>12682827
love how Jeff steps down from amazon as soon as elon passes him as richest man. benoz is trembling

>>12682843
Rome was awesome, but we need a new empire.

>>12682827
>By comparison, Musk’s SpaceX, founded two years after Blue Origin, has launched its Falcon 9 boosters more than 100 times, launched the world’s most powerful operational rocket - Falcon Heavy - three times, and transported astronauts to the International Space Station.

>Until now, Bezos has devoted one day a week to Blue Origin, with conference room meetings replaced in recent months by video calls, due to the coronavirus pandemic, the sources said.

>>12682827
how much is Bezos seething about this

>>12682827
my quick glance at that title had me thinking 'Jeff Bezos to shift his space venture's focus to hyperdrives'
and I thought "damn what does he know about the workability of potential warpdrives" before I read it properly and was sorely disappointed

>>12682830
You don't enjoy the comfy climate of Antarctica?

>>12682809
>>12682823
anyone worth a shit is doubtful of 2026

>>12682846
>the entire rocket is thrown into the ocean on every flight
>nobody even considered this a problem

>>12682866
They expect one of our stages in the ocean brother

>>12682866
Don't ruin Alfas

>>12681782
why is he so retarded? his grammar is worse then the grammar of some 4 year olds i've seen

>>12682859
isn't elon only the richest in fake money? If you put bezos and musk side by side and tried to sell off everything they both owned I imagine bezos would come out with way more cash. also neither of them are even close to the richest compared to dictators or royalty in some countries

>>12682865
all he has to do is get a guy on the planet and then we can say "man has been to mars"
he doesn't have to build the whole colony by 2026

>>12682855
>Rome was awesome
without them the based romeposter wouldn't exist, so it's hard to argue against that

>>12681938
>In the future every big college will have an orbital Starship laboratory.
when will this meme end? a starship being thrown away for use as a space station makes no sense when you can use that same starship to make a station 1000x bigger then itself or make 1000 new space stations

>>12682855
>we

>>12682875
They turned Sparta into a tourist trap where rich romans would come and laugh at all the Spartans larping at being badasses.

>>12682043
>Surely that's the point of using reusable rockets, to get the most out of your material investments
It doesn't make sense when you plan to make literally tens of thousands of starships

>>12682878
I think he means having crewed starships serve as temporary stations, like the shuttle's spacelab.

Is there an anon here from Alabama that could run for the Alabama Senate seat?

>>12682872
Elon's paper net worth is inflated by Tesla, but if SpaceX went public today they'd probably end up at a trillion dollar market cap by the end of the week anyways

>>12682875
without their aristocratic thinking we might have had the industrial revolution 2000 years earlier though, so eh

>>12682859
All he had to do was keep his dick in his trousers.

>>12682067
>>12682081
>>12682113
>>12682116
>>12682157
>>12682162
why do some people act like there are no prototypes beyond mk1?
>>12682077
as another anon said, aluminum fatigues

>>12682869
Imagine if Elon named two Starships Wreckage Brother and Noshur Vivors

>>12682866
The computers weren't powerful enough to do any better back then. They did consider it a problem, which is where the space shuttle started.

>>12682200
realistically, 2045. space is hard

>>12682893
because
>>12682128

>>12682733
can you spare some oxygen, sir?

>>12682866
>>12682870
Talking about Aflas. What's the rocket equivalent to the 33 Stradale? That is, the one rocket so beautiful it will never be topped

>>12682839
Shine on the one who’s gone and proved untrue

>>12682785
ok that was it. case closed.
i use ellipsis for personal reasons. i dont have time to explain here...

>>12682882
thats still stupid when you could just throw a tin can into orbit with some life support, radiators, and solar panels, and boom you have a space station. no need to use up a starship.

>>12682200
when Bitcoin reaches $1 million per coin
(so about 2027)

>>12682893
MK1 was the most Kino prototype because it was the first one ever and also it showed up in the Starship presentation.

>>12682899
they aren't the same size and the design of the later SNs is quite different from that of mk1

>>12682934
>no starship presentation since Mk 1

>>12682910
Yes I fucking do

>>12682910
>you will never be thrown around and raped by a crazy /fit/ gf in 0.3g
why even live

>>12682910
where do I get a stronk gf like that

>>12682938
MK1 also had cool shit like this

>>12682954
>>12682951
>Beltalowda need watah

>>12682955
>>12682938
hopefully next starship presentation will happen with a fully stacked starship before its first orbital flight.

>>12682961
that would be incredible

>>12682827
>>12682887
I WANT TO SMELL YOU

>>12682961
>Presentation ends with Elon boarding Starship for live orbital launch
>No automation, ship is controlled by Elon through Neuralink

>>12682960
will trade water for gainzstation gf

>>12682955
is that a grain silo with fins stuck onto it?

also most overquoted gay poem of all time

>>12682975
will Elong Must go on the first starship flight? and if it blows up will he die?

>>12682968
>tfw no alive girl GF

>>12682954
Get a wife or girlfriend and pester them into exercise.

>>12682968

>>12682978
are you new here? yes, it's a grain silo with fins stuck onto it, and yes it was intended to fly before it exploded at like 4 bar

>>12683000
checked, and yes I am a bit of a crossposter from /biz/

>>12682758
Jesus. They are never making orbit with these wrinkly water towers

>>12682996
>Get a wife or girlfriend
Instructions unclear, dick stuck in toaster

>>12683007
This one isn't meant to reach orbit. Its meant to reach 10 kilometers.

>>12683000
>>12682999
Excuse me real quick I have to
>double check something

>>12682573

BRRAAAAAAPPP

>>12682984
Elon stated in a few interviews he will only go to space once regular transport flights are occurring between Earth and Mars

>>12682758
>Elon built that rocket in a cave
>With a box of scraps

Bezos is not an engineer and won’t be able to solve the key issues in rocket development

So him being hands on at blue is not helpful

>>12683020
retard, he's flying on dragon next year

>>12683026
He is? Where’s the proof

>>12682954
be gay

How the hell is Starship so kino?

>>12682908
And it's not even close

https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_1_2176.html

Continuous 7.2 kft TFR, until April.

>>12683049

>>12683049
is that SN8

starship looks like it has no foreskin

>>12683058
Given the single tiny patch of heat shield, yes

>>12683036
he said in an interview that he wants to go to orbit a few months ago, but anon is making assumprions

>>12683058
Probably

>>12683052
Saturn 5 always looks smaller in photos than it really was
I went to this museum in Texas where they had a replica of the Saturn 5 on its side and that thing is fucking huge
biggest rocket ever launched, so far

>>12683058
Actually that's the SN33d

>>12683056
Maybe in the future there will be artistic drawings on every Starship before their maiden flight.

>>12683073
Starships are unironically beautiful. Only the Space Shuttle was as pretty, but probably less so

>>12683068
Yeah, I had a similar experience visiting KSC and standing under the one they've got suspended from the ceiling. Couldn't get over the size of the thing, or that three guys would've been strapped to the top of it; it's so much bigger than it looks in pictures, probably because there's nothing recognisable nearby for scale in them.

>>12683025
The guy is probably smart as fuck. Maybe in like 5 to 7 years he may be able to help somewhat.