/sci/ - Science & Math

The west is in a worrisome state when 7 trillion chinks have to pass a final year exam that contains questions more challenging than what is involved in the university courses that most western students take.
Chinks 100% develop AGI first, or at least develop malware capable of stealing it from a vulnerable western firm too afraid to set it loose in the wild themselves.
By 2025, they will be better than us. By 2030, they will dominate the industries of AI.
Just hope I'm alive to see AGI capable of making strategic military decisions.

Disclaimer: I'm white, I just think western culture has a serious issue regarding study of the fundamental mathematical skills which higher level math relies upon, our education system is shit and so are most adult's attitudes towards it. Meanwhile Chinese parents don't give a fuck about driving their children to suicide in order for them to have a "good" education throughout their formative lives, because it's so competitive over there. We have it way too easy.

90% of Twitter is bots mass liking posts which are designed to inflame a response, it's like the YouTube algorithm that promotes braindead content to generate ad revenue, except in Twitter's case the content you're exposed to is literally being made to provoke any sort of response whether it's beneficial to society or harmful. There is no incentive in developing bots for 4chan, so I would imagine that the length of this post is beyond the attention span that internet has withered away from you all during your developmental years. I guess it's more "fun" to respond to bait like the COVID-19 vaccine post, and religious argument post which tops this board daily. Nothing of value to be found here.

>>12681146
>>12681147
>>12681164
Based. Whats a good way to start learning Mandarin?

AI is a meme. It'll never happen.

>>12681230
don't waste your time
>>12681164
>There is no incentive in developing bots for 4chan
There are already so many NPCs here now that there's no point.

>>12681164
>There is no incentive in developing bots for 4chan
I thought for years the barneyfag was a bot, but I eventually found out he is a real turbo-autist who made that his life goal

>>12681296
Is this the new Turing test? Humans who are such autists that you think they must be bots?

>>12681284
Why not?
I have had a genuine belief that China will be a superpower for a long time now.

I know they have a lot of issues, but they, as a nation, will have the most content. They will be the US of 1960s and 1970s, the USA that won the cold war and landed on the moon. The land of dreams. I really feel like it will be China.

Not the land of dreams of individuals, but the land of dreams as a nation. A nation that can accomplish mind-blowing scientific, engineering goals.

I want to hear some arguments why this isnt/wont be the case. Because i am really feeling more and more like learning Mandarin.

>>12681303
it wasn't that you would post a pony and he would sperg out
I have witnessed somebody posting a picture of a cloud cropped from a fanart and he would recognize it and post link to the entire pic back in like a minute
I'm still not entirely convinced he's flesh and bone

>>12681284
I read your post.
God damn Chinese sound like a nightmare.

But what about their data, math, science?
They should be ok, right?

>>12681146
>China: collect data for national security and the greater good
>USA: collect data solely for national security

Why do glowniggers refuse to share?

>>12681146
>As a result of this concerted effort by China, the American advantage in AI has been disappearing quickly: in 2017 the United States had an 11x lead over China; by 2019 the United States was down to a 7x lead; in 2020 the United States is left with a 6x lead. Furthermore, this analysis by the Allen Institute for Artificial Intelligence found that China steadily increased its share of authorship of the top 10% most-cited papers.
Because all the jews that run the tech industry are dumping them all the tech just like they did the nuclear bomb

>>12681236
What do you meme?
:3

>>12681147

>Meanwhile Chinese parents don't give a fuck about driving their children to suicide in order for them to have a "good" education throughout their formative lives, because it's so competitive over there. We have it way too easy.

This is only true until a certain point, they have an insane exam that you need to do well on to get into a good school. Once that is done there is no pressure, you can no longer fail no matter how shit you do or how much you cheat. It's pretty much the opposite of how it is in some western countries.

You should not trust or cite any research output from people working exclusively in Chinese universities without personally verifying, or having someone you personally trust reproduce the results. The peer review process is not good enough at caching this. I have looked at too many published papers that have either downright wrong results, or results that are just copied from textbooks on the subject.

The Chinese government knows this, they are desperately trying to recruit top western scientists in part because they can't trust their own.

>>12681147
Not so fast, anon. You forgot about America’s biggest advantage: our diversity. Diversity makes us the strongest country in the whole world. What the Chinese have literally PALES in comparison to that. The American century is back on track.

>>12681146
Chins is one big AGI and chinese are the processors. All of that multi-core processing, hhmmm

>>12681146
The top players in AI like DeepMind and OpenAI are from the West. I do not see your point. Baidu and Ant seem like a joke right now. And this >>12681747 is true, not just for China but for every Asian country.

>>12681779
You are meming but I do wonder about this. In the USA at least, diversity and the desire to fix social inequality seems to have supplanted merit as the basis of college admissions and beyond. If we're up against an opponent like China, which to me has always seemed like a nation which values merit above all else (barring nepotism, of course), then our new paradigm is a bad idea. It seems like we are just hoping that enough capable people make it through the cracks in the current talent acquisition focus, when they are looking for the best.

>>12681312
It depends what the feasible limits are. So far, no technology has improved exponentially. Everything tails out logarithmicly. There have been attempts like speculative execution to cheat this trend, but ultimately material limitations are important to consider. China has a few key resource issues, one of them being water. Their soils (which were never great) are degrading especially quickly.

This may not be the case in the future, but if it is, the first sign of a plateau will bring this new tower of Babel crashing down to the Earth, as it usually does. The exploitation of workers and the environment can only continue for so long before a sense of spiritual decay comes to an inflection point, and people realise the atrocities being committed to force some sense of progress that may be ultimately futile.

>>12681947
Basically, yes. The emphasis on diversity derives from a few factors:
>The US is an imperial and not nationalistic power, and therefore needs to keep disparate populations all content
>Class stratification and materialism mean that most people see unequal access to material as the cause of misery, not communal or spiritual unhappiness
>Partly due to above point, families now have children basically AT replacement, so economic growth has to be driven by outgroup acquisition.
>Highly diverse populations tend to have no shared traits to self-organize around, which makes them weak prey for power structures
Diversity is basically a psyop conducted by the ruling class to prevent the collapse of the United States because the country has been worked into a corner. The ultimate diversity blackpill is that while the strategy will not succeed vs china, it is probably one of the few things slowing the collapse of the US.

>>12682030
>slowing the collapse of the US.
lmao if you're not american you definitely live in your parents basement.

>>12681947
dont worry once china is deep into technocracy and building the beginnings of the matrix, americans will be the "crazy ones" that reject mass surveillance and social credits. China is a living experiment where we are seeing how far totalitarian governments can truly go. But as we've seen with every other totalitarian government that has existed, they eventually explode because people get tired of the system.

China can go ahead and beat us in AI, they already beat us in current active genocides. Even then I imagine american resources are going towards something better than tracking an entire population

>>12682068
I am American. This country is rotting out from the inside. We're literally too busy yelling at each other and building gender-neutral toilets to pave our fucking roads. The only thing keeping the economy running is the Fed and California, and the second one of the FAANG companies moves their revenue to Europe, or is beat out by a Chinese competitor, the economy will falter and stagnate.

>>12682114
Big companies are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. SMEs have always been the engine of economy.