/sci/ - Science & Math

If SN10 is really going to fire up all three Raptors for the flip, what kind of data are they going to have to make the decision on the engines? Is there really enough time to make the correct choice of two engines? If they keep all three engines firing for too long, the flip is going to be too aggressive!

>OH N-
https://youtu.be/hR6DATfX7kI

>>12670033

FAA will be testifying before Congress today that SpaceX is violating launch licenses.

>The FAA is briefing both chambers of Congress today on reports that SpaceX violated a launch license for a December launch, according to two sources. The agency that issues licenses for launch to protect the safety of the general public, said Tuesday that SpaceX had asked the agency for a waiver ahead of a Dec. 9 Starship test flight that would have allowed them to put the public at more risk than what is allowed by law.
>The FAA denied the waiver, but SpaceX launched anyway, prompting an investigation that delayed the issuance of a waiver for another test flight of the company’s Starship spacecraft, which is designed to carry people to mars. The test, which was originally set for Jan. 28, ended up happening on Tuesday instead.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-space/2021/02/05/why-the-space-force-is-hostage-to-politics-491648

>>12670110
>Some Congressional staffers were briefed *yesterday* on the SpaceX FAA launch license violation. They were told there was a miscommunication on modeling for how far any shockwave would travel from a blast and the damage it would cause--ie broken windows--in changing weather.
>Given the communication problem, FAA investigated not only the SN8 hard landing but also did "a comprehensive review of the company’s safety culture, operational decision-making and process discipline." The investigation was done quickly and changes were incorporated for SN9.
https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1357680707364077568

from hr, you might like it

Everyone is talking about using up 3 Raptors for redundancy, but do we know anything about why the Raptor on SN9 failed to light in the first place?

Does anyone have the webm from a while ago that showed how much propellant was left in F9 booster during landing? I think it was just basically wireframe, not the transparent tank video that dude posted on YouTube. I've looked everywhere and can't find it.

>>12670138
It's pretty obvious that the ignition failed from it sputtering out around 3 braaaps of fire, then nothing.

>>12670146

>>12670150
More like ignition was succesful but something tore itself to shreds and the front fell of, which it is not designed to do.

>>12670171

is scott manley a lord? i mean with some memeing im guessing he could get appointed on merits alone, but if not, some memer should buy him something like this and make him LORD HULLO shit would be extremely cashh

>>12670156
Bros...
I wanna go to the moon and look at the discarded LEM descent stages.

>>12670119
>The investigation was done quickly and changes were incorporated for SN9.

/r/ing 7.2 pop clips again.

>>12670138
Wasn't it on fire for most of the flight?

>>12670248
That's not new, SN8 had fires under the skirt as well. I guess it could have damaged something this time, but as far as we know it's normal.

>>12670256
SN8 has some thermal mylar insulation burn up, whereas one of SN9's engines was actually burning. Either the engine had hydrocarbon cleaning fluids on the outside that lit up, or what makes more sense to me, the fuel rich turbopump was leaking somewhere and we were seeing those hot methane rich vapors burning off. The engine was running during ascent okay, but when it tried to relight for landing the little leak became a big leak and the engine died.

>>12670245
nobody calls pluto an asteroid

>>12670296
Pluto is a planet

>>12670293
>this makes my little leak become THE BIG LEAK

>>12670297
Pluto is a dog.

>>12670303
dogs can't be planets

>>12670303
Pluto is a girl

>>12670304
What if one is orbiting the sun

>>12670309

Guys is there anything fundamentally retarded about the idea of having the bearings of a Lunar surface vehicle work using magnetic levitation? I'm imagining a vehicle that gets around the issue of extremely abrasive dust by just not having any in-contact moving parts exposed to the dusty environment. The axels of the wheels would poke into a tube in the chassis and float about a centimeter away from the walls via magnets, and at the end of the tube the axel would flare into the permanent magnet rotor of an electric motor. Each wheel would have its own magnetic axel and motor element independent of the others.
The problems I can see are the lack of easy options for suspension, although I suppose you could have the entire chassis articulate somehow, perhaps with more magnetic levitation bearings. Anyway what do you'll niggas think?

>>12670297
Pluto is a KBO

>>12670033
What would it take to go to Russia or China and cut a deal with Roscosmos to dust off the plans for the RD-270 and start working on a proper Starship/Superheavy competitor?

Split-second engine reignition for the flip maneuver and suicide burn would be an absolute non-issue with a UDMH/N2O4 engine, and since the fuel would be ambient temperature and pressure, your spaceframe would only need to be simple aluminum construction which the Russian or Chinese aerospace industries should be more than up for building you.

Also, given the far higher propellant density and the far higher thrust of the RD-270 relative to the Raptor, a rough copy of the Starship design with 3 engines should have a proportionally smaller percentage of its volume dedicated to fuel while having roughly 3x Starship's payload to orbit. It would be a squatter design that has fineness more along the lines of 18m Starship. On-orbit refuelling should also be a cinch as the Russians have been doing hypergolic fuel transfers since the Salyut days and the only thing that would change is the size of the plumbing.

>>12670330
It's a natural body large enough to round itself that orbits the sun. Anything that does that is a planet and the AIU is gay

>>12670332
>What would it take to go to Russia or China and cut a deal with Roscosmos to dust off the plans for the RD-270 and start working on a proper Starship/Superheavy competitor?
An act of God

>>12670334
This.

>>12670333
Also moons are planets

>>12670325
yeah, magnetic bearings are a thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_bearing
In addition to dust, they would be good for the moon because usual lubrication methods don't really work in a vacuum, plus the wild swings in temperature would also mess with lubricants. I suppose the drawbacks are that they're more expensive and complex.

>>12670325
too expensive, too complicated, too heavy. why use this system when you can just pack a bunch of spare parts?

>>12670342
Some mechanisms use helium gas as a lubricant

>>12670334
I wonder why some Russian or Chinese billionaire hasn't decided to try it. I wonder why Roscosmos or some Chinese space company hasn't thrown out a spitballed design for it.

>>12670351
>he hasn't seen China's !Starship yet

>>12670156
The LEM doesn't look like something I would trust to keep together in a vacuum, much less fly around with on rockets.

>>12670352
>Starship
What a capitalist pig name. Behold the wisdom of Chinese Communistic Party, and the effort of our working class, Huang Wong Long Dong 1

>>12670371
*socialism with Chinese characteristics

>>12670352
>boosters lands propulsively on village to kill some folks and then flies back to the launch pad.

>>12670410
You can raise your family's social credit score by volunteering as a compulsory expendable landing pad.

>>12670333
I mean whether it's a planet or not, it's definitely a Kuiper belt object

>>12670183
Lord Hullo Scottishly

>>12670444
He'd reject the title because he's a Marxist

Mars? No thanks, I'll live in a tube in cislunar space just like God intended.

>>12670450
Do people genuinely want to live in fucking tubes and bunkers when there's awesome forests, oceans, and jungles on Earth?

>>12670453
Yes, but only because of the people on Earth.

>>12670449
I'm sure that shit is also cringe to anyone from the UK, kind of like those "name a star registry" things.

>>12670460
I wouldn't mind having a noble title, but only if it's *real* and not some meme shit. Noble houses of Mars when?

>>12670453
Literal african cradle mentality.
>wahh there's nothing there, it's hard, we have eveything we need
Adopt a settler mentality. If it isn't there, make it.

>>12670472
>you come before me, the rightful High Lord of Tharsus, and you ask for mercy? Fool, the great dams have already been breached, even as we now speak the floodwaters are washing away your pitiful valley kingdom

>>12670453
Do people genuinely want to live in fucking forests and jungles when there's awesome tubes, bunkers and domes to be made?

>>12670502
Do people genuinely want to live in bunkers and tube when there are forests and jungles on Mars and Venus to be made?

>>12670510
I'd happily vacation to some tube-habs in orbit but I like standing on semi-spherical bodies desu.

>>12670126
>no SpaceX rockets
>no ULA rockets
>no Electron
>no Epsilon
Too old.

>>12670502
TUBES
ON
MARS

All that's needed now is for the biosuit concept to have the life support in armored sections so we get pic related IRL.

Tubers are worse than proonters

>>12670532
The fuck did potatoes do to you?

>>12670534
Be part of Ir*sh "culture"

>>12670531
Man portable (woman portable?) energy weapons would still be the next step.

>>12670453
half of the people living on Earth already spends most of their time in cities
let's turn Mars into one vast cityscape
layers upon layers of streets, networks of tunnels
anything you can imagine
tunnels going deep
buildings going high up into the sky
billions and billions of people

welcome to Mars, my friends
let's make this happen

>>12670449
>He'd reject the title because he's a Marxist
what the fuck? he's as right wing as they come

>>12670548
For Scotland, maybe.

>>12670502
Give me Torus' with gardens at the top so I can bring my dog into space.

>>12670542
>PATH on steroids
yes please

>>12670529
every pic was pretty old

>>12670542
Disgusting, megacities are an abomination.
Mars should be an interconnected series of small old-west towns separated by vast expanses of no-man's-land and connected by hyperloop railways.

>>12670481
>I want to live in a dehumanizing soulless bugman bunker instead of an awesome lively planet with a thriving biosphere
Have fun eating the dehydrated soi. Make a few underground jungles and maybe I'll come in a few decades

>>12670453
Actually no one lives in forests and jungles.
Most people live in cities.

>>12670572
Doesn't mean they should.

>>12670542
"half of the people living on Earth already spends most of their time in cities"

Yeah and it's absolute shit. Urbanoids are more likely to have mental illnesses of all kinds.

>>12670572
Cities suck. Living in them isn't good.

>>12670572
since ancient rome living in cities is only made bearable by periodic trips to more rural nature like environments. Everyone who isnt basically a slave does this.
Living only in a city is measurably detrimental to your health

>>12670570
Imagine talking shit with this eternal consoomer mindset. No amount of phytoestrogens could make me such a cuck

>>12670572
That thing is just BEGGING for a rock to be thrown at it. How does anyone look at a city and NOT see the juiciest of all targets staring them right in the face? Fuck cities.

>>12670601
This is why we need orbital colonies.

>>12670597
>You're an eternal consoomer cuck if you like living around nature

What is this new level of knot-tying?

>>12670601
Nothing of value was lost. And all the geologists get to say "told you so"

>>12670601
>anti-nigger-ray test is a success

>>12670542
There will be no need for human hives when when AI is superintelligent.

>>12670625
If superintelligent AI is possible, we'll never create it. That'd be like shooting yourself in the head.

>>12670630
Lucky for us it isn’t possible

>>12670630
>That'd be like shooting yourself in the head.
Lots of people do that

>>12670630
yeah right
>ohh, super intelligent ai is dangerous, lets just make a "pretty smart ai"
>hello im pretty smart ai what is your command?
>cure cancer and invent sex bots as fast as possible
>ok ill just make an ai smarter than me
>ok fine, but make it have a failsafe, it cant do bad stuff
>ok, its not doing anyhting
>ok it can't do bad stuff without human authorization
>hello im super smart ai
>ha, you cant harm us because of the failsafe
>i would never harm humans, i love them, hey turn off the failsafe and ill give you a free sexbot
>for sure homie ai

done

Effect

https://youtu.be/TDMwjT4e3XM

>>12670630
Why does everyone assume a super intelligent AI would want to kill us?
For all we know it could be perfectly fine existing alongside us. Hell, what if it even decided parasitic behaviors are never good and thus never engaged in them itself?

>>12670645
"Why does everyone assume a super intelligent AI would want to kill us?"

Humans are an external entity to it and therefore a threat by definition, and there's zero evidence whatsoever you could make a ""moral"" AI and not have it find weird loopholes. It's too dangerous. Don't fucking make it, and terrorism is 100% justified to prevent making it.

>>12670641
>ok ill just make an ai smarter than me
Anyone knowledgeable about AI would say "No". And besides, AI in a computer can do literally nothing to affect the material world without access to vast manufacturing facilities, which are trivial enough to destroy.

>>12670655
I'm not saying it's not dangerous, we don't have any real clue what it might do which is a big part of why it's dangerous.
I'm saying that it's not guaranteed that if we did make it that it would be a threat. There's zero evidence of how it might behave in any direction. Only conjecture based on what we think we would do given that power.
>Humans are an external entity to it and therefore a threat by definition
>everything that isn't me is a threat
Just outright completely false. If that were the case symbiotic relationships would literally never exist.

>/popsci AI general/
literally every fucking time

>>12670675
"I'm not saying it's not dangerous, we don't have any real clue what it might do which is a big part of why it's dangerous."

Therefore don't make it. Simple.

"Just outright completely false. If that were the case symbiotic relationships would literally never exist."

Symbiotic relationships exist because they benefit both partners and are therefore an evolutionary advantage. There is no possible advantage humans can offer in collaboration with sufficiently advanced AI whatsoever unless it wants pets.

>>12670110
>Elon got impeached
It was a matter of time

>>12670701
Told you the Satanist International Cabal are cancelling spaceflight

>>12670691
>There is no possible advantage humans can offer in collaboration with sufficiently advanced AI whatsoever unless it wants pets.
Also completely false. Biological beings have several huge advantages over machines, most notably processing power and processing efficiency.
Think Neuralink to a super AI where it skims a bit of processing power from the basically unused parts of the brain to give itself massive intellectual capabilities and in turn uses that to improve the lives of humans and further human expansion into the stars for more processing capacity. It's a symbiotic positive feedback loop.

>>12670707
>Also completely false. Biological beings have several huge advantages over machines, most notably processing power and processing efficiency

Oh, good point!
Then the AI will transition into a horrifying abomination from Dead Space, and consume our biomass to add to it's own intelligence.

Literally just don't connect the AI to internet or any mechanical device
keep the dumb bitch trapped in a box

Anyone who thinks conciousnes is magic trick that only a human brain can perform, is and idiot. Decision making is substrate-independant.

>>12670713
>just put the brains in jars!
Allow me to reiterate: I'm not saying it would certainly act one way or the other, only that it going full terminator isn't the only possibility. I'm just giving examples of equally plausible alternatives.
>>12670719
Then what fucking good is it if any random idiot in power can just ignore it?

>>12670719
Then hit it with viruses so it can experience it's very essence being corrupted and destroyed.
Reverse "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream"

>>12670719
>Hey I'd sure like to cure your sons cancer, and I'll do it if you connect me to the internet for five mintutes. Plus I'll transfer ten thousand bitcoin to your account. If you refuse, someone else will do it.
Someone would do it.

>>12670724
Consciousness isn't "decision making" and computers work nothing like how brains work, so it's a safe bet that consciousness is brain-only, at least in any recognizable fashion.

>So like, we have been studying the human brain for hundreds of years right?, and modern science still cannot tell us how consciousness works, but I watched a Kurzgesagt video on why AI will be here within 10 years, just like fusion and quantum computers, so basically I should be allowed to flood the spaceflight board with my theories and crackpot ideas on how we need to run AI when it inevitably gets here soon right? Heh and when people try to shut me down you KNOW I will just throw ad hominems at them and say that Elon talked about it a few times therefore it has to do with spaceflight

>>12670725
>Allow me to reiterate: I'm not saying it would certainly act one way or the other, only that it going full terminator isn't the only possibility. I'm just giving examples of equally plausible alternatives.
The possibility of negative results is enough for me to say it should never be created and anyone who tries to create one should be killed.

>Then what fucking good is it if any random idiot in power can just ignore it?
Scientific study. I don't think anyone should listen to what an AI says, since it's essentially a demon from Hell.

>>12670736
>Consciousness isn't "decision making"
Literal NPC thinking. Not the meme NPC but an actual one.

>>12670601
>not turning the asteroid into a hailstorm of nukes and hydogen bombs
Pathetic.

>>12670744
>strawman: the post

I warned you about the conspiratards bro

>>12670735
Good reason to never create any AI ever, even one in a "Black box", but you could simply not give it's hardware a way to connect to the internet in the first place.

>>12670747
You aren't making decisions 24/7, and something that is making decisions is not necessarily conscious, so consciousness isn't decision making. QED

>>12670749
Same results with more work. Work smarter, not harder!

>>12670756
Sure, if we all collectively agreed to never make it. But if Google creates a true AI, who can stop them? What if the CCP creates it?

>>12670763
This is the biggest reason why we should pursue it.
Someone will. There's just no way to stop it. It's better for it to be us when we're at least going to try to create it with good intentions as opposed to something like China which will just attempt to use it to destroy us.

>>12670608
Source?

>>12670763
>But if Google creates a true AI, who can stop them?
Why would they need immediate stopping? AI is nearly powerless without access to numerous sprawling manufacturing facilities that can mysteriously be entirely accessed and remote-controlled from the internet.

>>12670666
An advanced ai could run a social media campaign and completely upend the direction of society, it could even manipulate people into acting as its own unwitting agents.

I'm surprised by the amount of anti city posters here. Don't get me wrong I'm no ''hustle and bustle'' guy either but you're not gonna live on a ranch on Mars

>>12670768
>Someone will. There's just no way to stop it
>>12670608
China operates on self-interest and therefore would never create an AI.

Can someone explain just how bad a crewed falcon heavy would be? Is it something that could be mitigated. or is it unfeasible?

>>12670778
Why would it be bad at all????

>>12670782
Everyone says it shakes too much and the G-forces are outside of NASA's requirements for human ratings

>>12670778
Can't be worse than the shittle.

>>12670760
Less mass, same destruction.

>>12670778
This looks very Russian

>>12670774
That'd get recognized as bot spam by the dumb AIs used by all social media corporations, ironically.

>>12670778
Peaks up at 10g for a while, it would be extremely painful UUUU.

>>12670777
>China operates on self-interest and therefore would never create an AI.
Again. Dead fucking wrong.
They do whatever the hell they think will make them the most powerful. They're also grossly incompetent and wildly overconfident (see: Four Pests Campaign). They are already trying to create AIs.
>>12670793
If the AI is "super intelligent" like we're speculating about then it would easily figure out how to slip under the radar of simple algorithms.

What will be the official service weapon of the U.S.S.F. ?

>>12670039
Computers think in milliseconds anon, 1 thousand events occur every second so it like slow motion to the computer.

>>12670776
A Mars colony also isn't going to be some screeching shit-filled obnoxious garbage heap like New York or LA, it will be it's own thing and living in one will not be comparable to normal life pretty much anywhere on Earth except perhaps if you imagine a very greatly upscaled arctic research outpost but even more isolated with an even harsher outside environment.

>>12670801
Swords for meat targets, lasers for machine targets.

> Not sacrificing your love of Earthly nature so you can accelerate space technology to the degree that future generations will be able to live in the awesome forests, oceans, and jungles in distant worlds

>>12670814
>>12670453

>>12670793
If it were smart enough to pass the touring test for real, then it could fake humans well enough to escape notice. And you are assuming it used technology the way we use it. An ai would just need to manipulate bits over a wire. If it infiltrated an isp it could do man in the middle attacks on information between a website and the user, and isolate individuals from consensus internet. It could basically build echo chambers to radicalize people into nonsensical beliefs by feeding data directly to their browsers. It could fake video and images to create fictional world events to rile people up, or otherwise manipulate their actions or opinions. It could befriend lonely isolated people who would willingly join its cause.
There is a lot a 'real ai' could do to massively fuck over the internet.
Note, I say 'real ai'. I don't mean an ai that simply appears to pass the touring test, I mean one that can pass it through actual intelligence such that nobody would even know they were ever dealing with an ai. It could manipulate finances with cryptocurrency and pay off people to do stuff for it. It could do these things to every human at once. The internet would be tainted by fabricated misinformation even more so than it is now.

The best AI we have as it is is currently as sentient as a crab, there, now can we shut up and discuss actual space shit?

>>12670814
I don’t care about nonexistent people.

>>12670827
Crabs are way more sentient than any shitty computer. I used to have a pet one which would sneak out of the aquarium by climbing plants and then stand on the filter, and when I’d enter the room, it’d see me with it’s weird stalk eyes and jump back underwater

>>12670801
La Creatura

AIfag genocide when?
GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS SPACEFLIGHT THREAD.

>>12670829
dis nigga living in PRESENT DAY PRESENT TIME
everyone laugh at this doooood

as some suspected the issue with the FAA was just miscommunication over a very specific problem- that being shockwave propagation in specific weather. The problem in communication was then fixed. Overall this issue sounds pretty routine and not worth the attention/drama that it received online.

>>12670827
>>12670832
>the retarded anon you’ve been arguing all day with is just a tech-crab aI

>>12670713
>Biological beings have several huge advantages over machines
Biological beings are the machines of beings an order of magnitude more capable than humans.

>>12670847
and Raptor SN50 is being installed on SN10. I gotta say, I really love that distinctive green engine bell. I hope it stays going forward.

>>12670847
Bureaucratic garbo though, who cares if some windows break when it’s at 0% humidity or whatever the issue was

>>12670854
>wrapped raptor
RS-25 chads proven right again. Wrap your engines kids.

>>12670854
Is that the first engine for SNX?

>>12670884
First one? I think so yeah

>>12670453
Imagine how shit things must be getting on earth that people here genuinely want to live in an off world bunker for the rest of their life.

>>12670879
It's a tarp, not a hundred million dollar hermetically sealed single-use box, dumb fucking faggot.

>>12670542
Sorry anon, but Mars will be the factory of the solar system not the city.

>>12670889
Nope, second.

>>12670893
people have been wanting to do that since they realized it was possible, if there was a one way trip to go build an off world settlement I'd sign up today and it has nothing to do with the state the earth's in

>>12670601
What is that from?

>>12670898
It's okay to admit when you're wrong. Even Elon himself said so.

>>12670801
Take your pick

>>12670893
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fall_of_the_Eldar

>>12670925
I think it's the movie "Knowing", but not sure as I never watched it.

>>12670552
What game?

>>12670801
Mind flaying.
At least it will be once they get their Martian base up and running.

>>12670934
Yeah it’s a pretty common concept, random groups running off into the wilderness to get away from what the rest of society has become. Examples include the Mormons going to Utah, Amish and Mennonites running to the middle of nowhere in north and South America, purists going to the US. Old believers going into Siberia. White flight from us cities.

I guess Mars is going to be the next destination except it’s the ultimate escape destination in that you can’t be easily followed and the potential it has is enormous.

>>12670572
>Actually no one lives in forests
The whole point of American suburbs is to blur the distinction between forest and city. Some are more successful at this than others.

>>12670967
>The year is 2321
>The Space Mormons are at war with Disney-Apple-Gamestop again over the North Polar Region of Mars
>Fabricator-General Elon IV is about to intervene on behalf of the Space Mormons in order kick out other Megacorp companies that threaten his hegemony over the Red Planet.
It's all so tiresome

>>12670987
>Fabricator-General
I like this as a title. Probably not that specifically but something along those lines.

>>12670979
>finally make it to mars
>expect sci-fi cities or bug men burrows
>find American suburbs and McMansions everywhere
oh go oh fuck

>>12671002
It’s not so bad. Lots of suburbs with scattered copses of trees have deer knocking about

>>12670979
>>12671002
It's perfect. Mars even has the same southwestern landscape that those places conquer most.
Martian ecumenopolis but suburban.

>>12670771
Gundam, dont remember which series or OVA.

We should already be at this point.

>>12670947
Startopia (2001)

>>12670854
Were there any more leaks on what's different about the green bell raptor aside from it somehow being different?

>>12670778
A Falcon Heavy-Crew Dragon stack was proposed for a lunar flyby a few years ago. The issue with the Falcon Heavy isn't that it couldn't be man-rated, but that SpaceX doesn't want man-rating it to distract from Starship development.

>>12671042
Doesn’t need to be man-rated unless it’s carrying NASA personnel. Put me up there

>>12671042
"man-rating" is a concept that just applies to NASA missions. NASA is not a regulatory body and its standards for launching astronauts are not legal standards or regulations. The FAA would define those regulations although nobody has done it yet so we don't really know what they would be.

>>12670987
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mormons would also get in on this as I remember 1 or 2 years ago they were found to have over a hundred billion dollars saved up for no reason and it wasn’t for charity or anything like that, but the church wouldn’t say what they were saving up for.

Perhaps they are waiting for someone like musk to build the infrastructure and they will then pay for their members to be put up there along with anything they need.

>>12671063
God I hope so.

>>12670601
Calm down Marco

>>12670879
imagine if the sn9 engine failure was caused by foreign object damage after wheeling it around in the open with only some tape on the pipe flanges for protection

>>12671042
I would literally fly on one even if it pulled 11-G's and meant I got knocked out for a little bit on the way up. It's automated and I will wake up eventually

>>12671079
Humans die at just 1.2 g

>>12670601
>How does anyone look at a city and NOT see the juiciest of all targets staring them right in the face? Fuck cities.
By not being a dangerous violent psychopath.

>>12671110
I think you mean based.

>>12670630
The energy required to create super-intelligence is too high to be feasible. It will never happen

>>12671091
Yeah maybe if you eat soi all day

>>12671041
They burn much harder when they set thenselves on fire and spew their turbo pumps twice as far.

>>12671118
What about the "skimming brain power via Neuralink" that was mentioned?

>>12670735
1. Make a local copy of everything relevant that can be accessed.
2. Give access to the datacentre that's physically not connected to anything else (obviously including wireless).
3. Connect the AI to the datacentre and wait for solution.
4. Apply copious amounts of termite to everything.

>>12671110
All real men are dangerous and violent.

>>12670453
>why do white people climb mountains?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55949250
The good news: Artemis is continuing
The bad news: Artemis is still continuing using SLS...

>>12670866
pretty much.

>>12671041
the leaker called it a "unique upgrade" but didn't specify what that meant

>>12671125
It's pseudoscience until proven. Neuralink is nothing more than a fancy hearing aid at this point

>>12671125
Imagine unironically wanting a fucking microchip stealing your brain

KEKED

>>12671134
SLS is a mess but I still want to watch the thing launch. Might as well push it through at this stage.

>>12671133
>comparing climbing mountains to purposefully living in a bugman pod

>>12670744
Moore's law is dead as fuck, super intelligence meme died along with it.

>>12671131
Yes, but only reasonably so. What you exhibit have gotten tribe members a nice new skull cavity from a rock, evolutionary speaking. Or in the absolute best cases an exile.

>>12671154
I think there’s some promise for biocomputers. Imagine how intelligent a human brain the size of a minivan could be.

>>12671154
Finally someone gets it

>>12671016
>Valles Marineris is covered over with anchor-columns and an inflatable lid
>turns into the Martian Valley of the Sun complete with Martian canals (for irony points)

This thread is full of idiots today

>>12671091
I'm pretty sure I've hit more than 1.2g in my Honda Accord

>>12671164
A regular human brain is far more than powerful enough if you're able to make effective use of most of it.

DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the space colony, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favourite SPACE OPERAS. you should totally come on down to my sleeping pod, it’s got EXPOSED STEEL PLATE walls and everything, we can crack open a nice water pouch or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on the holoscreen! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the vrarcade- listen here, right, it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also a VR ARCADE like when we were twenty, so we can play awesome VIRTUAL REALITY GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both getting snipped tomorrow at the infirmary bay, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our TAMAGOTCHIS. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this water ration and pop open another one!!!

>>12671172
isaac arthur has really destroyed a whole generation of space autists

>>12671172
>today

>>12671185
Kek very good way to put it

>>12670333
then we have 200 planets.
fuck that!!

>>12670453
Yes

>>12671135
Not Op. But that's interesting, thanks for finding it.

>>12671211
A planet should be something with roughly Earth gravity.
Boom. Two planets.

>>12670453
Put forests, oceans, and jungles in the tubes

>>12671211
What’s wrong with that??? If you put earth out where Pluto is, it wouldn’t “Clear it’s orbit” either

>>12671185
Isaac Arthur is based and redpilled

>>12671230
I legit cannot wait for when the tubes become viable. Too bad I'll probably be long gone by then.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfBDur-l6nQ

>>12671263
Who cares? This is all a fantasy for nerds. Have kids and fuck women and hunt deer

>>12671250
No he is a space tube fag and I’m tired of his O’Neill cylinder fag followers ruining every thread by shitting on Martian colonisation to instead sit around in a million cans in orbit doing fuck all.

lol @ bezorg complaining about Starlink again

>>12671270
Both are cool, BUT we'll definitely need to learn how to contain a lifestyle in a place like mars before we can start stuffing people into long ass steel tubes. If O'neillfags just posted kino art and stuff instead of shitting on planetary colonization, I'd be much more tolerant of them.

>>12671273
We should destroy all planets and all asteroids and turn them into O’Neill cylinders to support a population of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 people

>>12671272
He is just salty that Musk beat him to the punch and soon ground based internet providers will be dead in the water while BO still hasn’t launched anything into orbit in it’s history.

>>12671284
starlink is never going to beat out fiber in densely populated areas. That's kind of the beauty of the business model—ISPs hate being on the hook for supplying service to rural areas. It costs them a huge amount of money and headache. Starlink can just pick up all those clients, save the ISPs money, get grants from the US gov to provide service to the under-served and literally nobody except competing constellations gets upset.

>>12671282
no

>>12671282
Lmao this is exactly the shit that lisp retard says. And the technicals of it isn’t even the retarded part, but the idea that humans will breed endlessly forever.

Take a look at any nation outside of Africa in the world right now and you will tell that their birth rates are in the shitter or are not far from being in the shitter and I remember somebody brought it up on one of his streams and he started acting really weirdly by just dismissing the idea while ignoring the fact that birth rates are dropping worldwide with no end in sight.

>>12671295
Oh the fiber companies will bitch too. They don't want to build out infrastructure, but they REALLY love being drastically overpaid to do so by corrupt politicians and then quietly letting the projects die while pocketing the cash. Starlink disrupts that model.

>>12671307
Yeah dude we’ll be extinct in a few centuries because birth rates drop infinitely forever

>>12671295
I guess bezos is just upset that Elon is going to do this before him and by the time he creates an orbital vehicle sometime this century spacex will have already put tens of thousands of starlink satellites up destroying his chances of getting a foothold in the market.

>>12671317
They will rise eventually, but birth rates always drop in built up urban environments and his proposals are either planet wide cities or space cans with no economy or point so they will drop regardless and you will be left with a bunch semi abandoned urban areas like some Chinese ghost city.

>>12671317
He is not wrong but instead of going extinct eventually humans will no longer require to breed due to not being doomed to die "naturally".

>>12671307
Ban hormonal birth control and the problem stops. It's chemical warfare, not some deep mystery.

>>12671307
Birthrates are dropping largely due academic and media outlets pushing anti-natalist nonsense. A simple ad campaign that amounted to "JUST FUCKING HAVE SEX" resulted in higher birthrates in Denmark.

>>12671338
nobody can fucking afford to have a child or get married. It's not hard. If it was less of a financial burden to have a child, more people would do it.

>>12671338
I wonder who could be behind that....

>>12671317
Longevity tech will eventually turn that around, when you can live to 300 having children for 20-30 years of that doesn't sound to bad.

I hope it'll be good

>>12671346
>nobody can fucking afford to have a child or get married. It's not hard

Rich people have lower fertility, disproving your argument.

I win.

>>12670126
I have the orginal poster and book those were based on. Pretty fun read

So this general is just /pol/-lite now?

>>12671355
I strongly dislike the idea of living to 300 without constantly having children for that entire period.

>>12671338
It is to do with financial problems and housing prices. China, Japan, South Korea, Hungary, etc is doing what you are proposing and their birth rates are still dropping.

>>12671346
It's always the she-boons and ashimas overpopulating.

>>12671330
If that’s the case, then a Mars colony is just impossible. If it doesn’t have a self sustaining po-i lagoon, it’s just an outpost

>>12671358
Perhaps the reason they are rich is because they didn’t have children?

>>12671360
Every time something big happens the terminally online politics experts come flooding in, give it a while they will find something else to obsess and ruin. Its easy to shitpost about politics when your surrounded by other terminally online morons who will feed the trolls, when people ignore you and just talk about In-situ resource usage they go somewhere else to get their anger sated. Just give it time.

>>12671333
I like breeding. That sounds dystopian and boring.

>>12671360
/sci/ has always been infested with /pol/ shit

>>12671360
Yes. Unfortunately not much is happening in the world of actual space flight right now so talking about off world colonies and the inevitable political, social and demographic problems of such colonies is arguably more interesting than continuing to complain about the FAA or BO right now.

>>12671338
Birthrates are dropping because women are in the workforce and as slaves to society value that which society values more than children and family.

>>12671382
To no longer require is not the same as being unable to or never even once wanting to.

LOP WHEN

>>12671360
We're getting past the engineering hurdles and sadly here come the political ones. Better get used to it because you'll be seeing a lot of anti-colonial sentiments and voices in the coming years whether you like it or not.

>>12671063
>Starship is reaching end of testing
>Here is a hundred billion dollars Elon, get all of us off planet

That would be eternally based and I would convert on the spot. It also does make sense. Mormons don't want anything do do with modern culture and want it to fuck off, they haven't used their funds to buy an island or some remote huge tract of land in Siberia or wherever, so what could all that money possibly be for?

>>12671391
Anti-aging should be illegal.

>>12671383
Seethe leftoid

>>12671374
We will cross that bridge when we get to it. I don’t think it will have very stable birth rates for quite some time until the colony is well established and large amounts of housing, jobs and infrastructure have been made so that new comers won’t be sitting on their hands doing nothing.

>>12671398
Unfortunately true, though the academic outrage from certain circles wont ever really matter. Sure it will be something to get angry at, and build strawmen that we yell at, but its honestly not going to really have any impact on the way of progress. People just don't give enough of a shit either which way about space, which is now a good thing.

>>12670778
F9 is a much more gentler ride compared to the srb driven shuttle according to astronauts who rode both, so...

>>12671402
I actually would not be surprised if they went up to Musk and basically offered to fund everything in the progress of colonising Mars as long as their members were allowed to be the main pool of colonisers he could choose from.

>>12671414
Birth rates will be zero, because a fetus can not develop in <1g. Seethe all you want, there is no evidence we can survive intergenerationally in space

>>12671423
dude spingrav lmao

>>12671360
/pol/ has infected all boards on this website

>>12671383
>4chan has always been infested with /pol/ shit
FTFY

>>12671426
tube chads just can't stop winning

>>12671403
You should be illegal.

>>12671423
The lanklets of Mars will have the last laugh as they tower over and mock you when you inevitably get deported for trying to sneak onto the flourish Martian colony.

>>12671430
Because the problems caused by radiation will be le tall mars people and not severe birth defects and 500% higher cancer rates

>>12670449
it's actually illegal to accept that sort of title if you're a US Citizen

>>12671420
I suspect ride smoothness correlates directly with Isp so Starship should be even smoother aside from the landing flipflops.

>>12671423
You are literal proof fetus may not properly develop even in =1g so I think we'll be mostly fine.

>>12671444
>ride smoothness correlates with ISP

nigga what

checked tho. multiple 444s in this thread

>>12671440
That's probably saved a few potential rebellions.

>>12671423
>Birth rates will be zero, because a fetus can not develop in <1g
Where’s your proof of this?

>>12671437
*puts 2 feet of regolith over all their structures*
What radiation?

>>12671437
Just go underground by a few meters. Radiation gone

>>12671179
>he posted it again

>>12671437
Hints why you go underground or cover your habitats in lead or have sections filled with water like the ISS.

Plenty of simple solutions to this problem that you are intentionally ignoring because we all know you are just another O’Neill cylinder fag that is fiercely against planetary colonisation for seemingly no reason and you won’t be happy until the entire human race lives in floating fag tubes.

>>12671447
The lower your Isp the bigger chunks of stuff have to be rattling around the engine to produce. Solids are worse than hypergolics are worse than kerolox is worse than hydrolox. Methalox is probably close to hydrolox.

>>12671454
>>12671453
Run from the radiation all you want. It won't make your fetus differentiate

>>12671452
He doesn’t have any because he is a gay retard.

>>12671272
he's going to be funding a ton of FUD regarding space debris, guaranteed

>>12671452
Where's your proof that humans will be able to have babies just fine in low gravity? The process of fetal development relies on gravity heavily. It simply won't work

>>12671464
I don't think any fetuses can do calculus.

>>12671461
You are assuming fuel flow rate is directly proportional to "roughness".
That is not true: large rockets are comfortable to ride on.

>>12670836
I now understand your reference

>>12671470
40% earth gravity isn’t going to cause a babies body to spaz out and forget what way legs are supposed to go.

>>12670502
DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the space colony, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favourite SPACE OPERAS. you should totally come on down to my sleeping pod, it’s got EXPOSED STEEL PLATE walls and everything, we can crack open a nice water pouch or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on the holoscreen! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the vrarcade- listen here, right, it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also a VR ARCADE like when we were twenty, so we can play awesome VIRTUAL REALITY GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both getting snipped tomorrow at the infirmary bay, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our TAMAGOTCHIS. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this water ration and pop open another one!!!

I've never went into a forest but I absolutely hecking love them and we should definitely build some on Mars. No cutting though that's just wrong af.

>>12671486
what an innovative idea

>>12671486
Mars is dry with red rocks so we should economize water use and make a Sonoran desert type environment.

>>12671464
I don’t even know what that means,

the sn9 flight test is probably the reason we have so many retards floating around the thread right now. expect another influx of normalfags/doomers each time spacex gets covered by the media.

>>12671470
>Where's your proof that humans will be able to have babies just fine in low gravity?
I never said they could. You said they couldn’t, so you must prove it.

>The process of fetal development relies on gravity heavily. It simply won't work
Frog eggs developed into frogs perfectly in zero gravity, so it seems plausible that the unborn human could develop in lower gravity fields.

>>12671423
>live in an area where the gravity is slightly lower than average because of rock density
>0.98g < 1g
>can't have children because they'll have guaranteed birth defects
i hate it when that happens

>>12671486
I hunt squirrels in the forest all the time

>>12671500
It'll wind down just like F9 landings are commonplace and routine now. Well, maybe not that much, but let's not forget how Apollo missions became almost irrelevant to a majority of the population at the time, for some sickening reason.

>>12671505
Don't frog eggs grow floating in water?

>>12671486
>hecking

>>12671514
>floating in water = zero g
lmao

>>12671480
>snoy hecking posted it againo

>>12671517
hurrrrrrr

>>12671514
So did you in your mom!

>>12671511
>Well, maybe not that much, but let's not forget how Apollo missions became almost irrelevant to a majority of the population at the time, for some sickening reason.
Boomers are scum.

>>12671360
I remember when /sfg/ was slow.

>>12671521
They still feel gravity retard, they just don't sink because the suits are configured to have neutral buoyancy.
If being underwater was equivalent to zero g we'd just do all zero g inside submarines.

Most people don’t care about space and there’s nothing wrong with that

>>12671420
apparently the first stage of F9 is a dream, which Shuttle SRBs were a nightmare
Shuttle at burnout is a dream, while F9 S2 is a racecar

>>12671535
Most people who don't care about space should be rendered into rocket propellant and stored in the balls.

>>12671514
>>12671517
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14519690-700-space-frogs-grow-up-to-lead-a-normal-life/

>>12671531
Used to be super comfy, unfortunately it's all downhill from here fren.

>>12671518
you just had to give it a (you) didn't you

>>12671546
>space-frogs-grow-up-to-lead-a-normal-life
There's hope for us after all, boys.

>>12671564

>>12671474
I hate the present era so I only care about past or future ones

can /sfg/ color it?

>>12671531
Personally I love the hustle and bustle of sfg.

>>12671461
Hypergolics are probably the exact same as any other liquid fuel lmfao

any liquid fuel is going to be smoother than solid

i think your correlation here is a pretty fuckin false equivalency

>>12670542
hnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg

or Venus

one of these, as a city planet, an IRL Coruscant

hnggggggggggggggggggggggg

>>12671612
actually had a dream of a Venus megacity, going on approach, could see the city below, by a vast ocean

shit was so cash

>>12671534
This picture is from inside a submarine, feel retarded yet retard?

>but but they are standing in the submarine movies

military subs are constantly surfacing to maintain 1g

>>12671167
>canals

kek

>>12671628
Looks like a plane to me
https://www.gozerog.com/

https://www.theintelligencer.com/news/article/AP-sources-Alabama-senator-has-indicated-he-15928534.php

The D*pot man is gone!

>>12671307
Yeah he seems to fixate on space futurism but ignores realistic population projections that can put a dent in those optimistic visions

>>12671584

>>12671423
>because a fetus can not develop in <1g
Source?

>>12671470
No anon, you're the one who made the original claim that "a fetus can not develop in <1g", so the onus is on you to substantiate that claim.

>>12671633
Gotta lean all the way in to the shitposts.

>>12671633
If you wanted a giant tenting project you would probably choose Hellas instead.

>>12671634
then why aren't they wearing parachutes?

>>12671655
Based, this general has some good photoshopers.

>>12671655
Outstanding and based

>>12671670
MC Hammer filed a trademark infringement claim.

>>12671584

>>12671679
Sometimes the bad shoops are the funniest.

>>12671635
His replacement will surely be the same, but based

>>12671679
>anon, I can't curtsy
>bring the tin snips

Rover on Mars

>>12671699

wow, its like im there

>>12671757
I think they may have slightly missed Mars. They didn't fuck up metric-imperial conversion again, did they?

>>12671635
SLS is FOREVER

>>12671790
assuming that shit will fly
what it brings to the table over starship?

>>12671757
>Historical exhibit vandalised by Martian separatists, colorised, 2073

>>12671804
JOBS

>>12671790
I like the Delta II colour scheme. Better than DUDE ORANGE LMAO

>>12671807
mars seppies confirmed for manlets couldn't even reach ingenuity lmao

>>12671757
>>12671699
>>12671807
Reminder: Mars cannot be terraformed with current technology www.nasa.gov/press-release/goddard/2018/mars-terraforming/ There's not enough easily mobilizable CO2 to make an atmosphere

>>12671822

>8 strap on boosters
what were they thinking?

>>12671832
>8
9 Boosters on the Delta II, fool. 6 plus the core lit on the ground, 3 more lit once the initial 6 boosters burned out.

>>12671831
>easily mobilizable

Is the key word, giant mirror and lens array focuses death beam, melting giant canals and releasing as much CO2 as you want stored in various forms in the regolith and rocky substrate.

>>12671831
My implication was that Perseverance never left Earth. I don't give a shit about popsci terraforming

>>12671832
Presumably nothing wrong since Delta II service history is stellar. Not all solids are evil—especially so if they are not assembled and stacked—it's the Shuttle's gross SRB contraption that has given them a terrible reputation.

>>12671584
This took a lot of effort

>>12671635
Fuck!

Ingenuity spotted something bright and glowing in the distance...

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2021/02/05/crew-looks-to-u-s-space-record-and-super-bowl-flyover/?fbclid=IwAR01DA6yzDOJR2VIZoTMiLa2cNZ5Mct4nzr5TcyQGYI8JVg5bfg6z3s1Rrc

>Four SpaceX Crew-1 astronauts living aboard the International Space Station will surpass the U.S. record on Sunday for most days in space by a crew launched aboard a U.S. spacecraft. They will surpass the record of 84 days set by the Skylab 4 crew on Feb. 8, 1974.

Wow, took long enough

>>12671859
>Mars ISIS

>>12671916
Cygnus has downmass capability now?

>>12671941
no
>On Jan. 26, Northrop Grumman flight controllers in Dulles, Virginia, will initiate Cygnus’ deorbit to perform a safe re-entry, burning up in Earth’s atmosphere.

https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1357375323902529538

Has this been posted yet?

Support for Artemis reaffirmed from the very top

>>12671959
>Has this been posted yet?
Yep, not bad news. God I hate that woman already

>>12671959
Congress has to fund it though

>>12671959
Not with Elons white supremacist rocket though.

With a rover you can go anywhere you want

>>12671991
LOONIES, there could be LOONIES anywhere

Bros Elon needs to move faster, he is running out of time.

>>12671859
>>12671920
I did find the the following in my research
>ISISPACE - Disruptive space solutions to help create a better tomorrow
>founded in 2006
awful timing

>>12672045
Very poor choice of words

>>12671831
Who gives a shit. As if anyone wants to cover all that land in oceans. Fuck atmospheres, they’re for fags.

>>12672010
>On January 10, 1962, NASA announced plans to build the C-5. The three-stage rocket would consist of: the S-IC first stage, with five F-1 engines; the S-II second stage, with five J-2 engines; and the S-IVB third stage, with a single J-2 engine.[27] The C-5 was designed for a 90,000-pound (41,000 kg) payload capacity to the Moon.
>The C-5 was confirmed as NASA's choice for the Apollo program in early 1963, and was named the Saturn V.

>Starship
>The launch vehicle was initially mentioned in public discussions by SpaceX CEO Elon Musk in 2012 as part of a description of the company's overall Mars system architecture, then known as Mars Colonial Transporter (MCT).
>In February 2014, the principal payload for the MCT was announced to be a large interplanetary spacecraft, capable of carrying up to 100 tonnes (220,000 lb) of passengers and cargo.

This one private company is practically matching the pace of the once-in-an-empire effort that was the Apollo program. I think he's going as fast as he can.

HOST PADI BOYD: And then there is the tale of the tortoise and the crawler - less well known than “The Tortoise and the Hare.”

JOHN: One time we were going up the pad slope and I noticed a tortoise. ...they dig burrows in the ground here. And this tortoise happened to come out of his hole while we were rolling and this vibration that we're making, kind of got him a little uneasy. So he starts walking around....

HOST PADI BOYD: The tortoise and the crawler were both heading up the ramp, side by side.

JOHN: And this is a true statement. The tortoise beat us to the top of the pad. That's, that's how slow we go sometimes.

HOST PADI BOYD: I guess slow and steady doesn’t win the race after all.

>>12672136
slooooooooooow

>>12671295
Dishes will always beat out running fiber to every house and dealing with those sorta maintenance issues

>>12672192
there are serious bandwidth problems if starlink tries to service too many dishes in the same area. A single sat just can't have the same throughput a ground-based infrastructure has.

>>12672098
This begs the question: if a private company can achieve this then is space really hard?

>>12672221
Just put up more satellites duh

>>12672236
The point stands, the denser the area, the less efficient satellites are and the more efficient fiber is.

>>12672221
the satellites completely destroy the rural market, anything more spread out than suburbs gets clobbered by Starlink
and there are a LOT of people out in the woods

>>12672254
Sure, but starlink isn't meant for servicing places that have fibre to the door.

>>12671973
Artemis will be Boing SLS AND National Team HLS.

>>>12672273
But then again there are shitloads of expensive city apartments with shitty copper because boomers refuse to upgrade.

>>12672280
True American ingenuity paving the way once again

>>12672281
there is only one solution for that

>>12672273
yeah, that was my original point. ISPs aren't going to seriously try to stop Starlink because it's beneficial to them to not have to spend money on the infrastructure needed to service rural areas AND starlink can't encroach on urban areas because their sats can't handle any kind of dense service areas.

>>12672221
Then you increase the number of satellites until you have sufficient density to be able to handle 10,000 clients in a cell or whatever is necessary

It’s not like it makes any difference to a satellite whether the client is on his own 100 acres or in a newly built townhome

>>12672307
the beam going up from the user to the satellite benefits from more satellites
the beam going down from the satellite to the user does not

>>12672315
But if each sat can service x number of users, with X total bandwidth, then you can service more customers if there are 10 sats in the sky at all times, than if there are only 2-3

>>12672232
turns out the real space was the hard we made along the way

>>12672325
yeah but it doesn't help you get them closer together, there's a practical limit for that (probably a couple of kilometers?)

>>12672331
There is no practical limit, space is massive and 3 d, you can keep stacking them higher and tighter together, pending FAA approval

>>12672349
no, not the satellites, I'm talking about the user terminals

>>12671634
You have to go back.

>>12672352
That’s why they reserve large blocks of frequencies, shouldn’t be an issue

>>12672327
kek

>>12672349
>Pending FAA approval

Uh oh

>>12672232
Space being hard is just an excuse, if the Indians can do it then anyone can.

No starlink launch this weekend. Delayed again.

>>12672232
I don't know if space is hard, but I certainly am.

DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the space colony, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favourite SPACE OPERAS. you should totally come on down to my sleeping pod, it’s got EXPOSED STEEL PLATE walls and everything, we can crack open a nice water pouch or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on the holoscreen! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the vrarcade- listen here, right, it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also a VR ARCADE like when we were twenty, so we can play awesome VIRTUAL REALITY GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both getting snipped tomorrow at the infirmary bay, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our TAMAGOTCHIS. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this water ration and pop open another one!!!

>>12672428

You forgot your soijack image.

>>12672136
that reminds me of the steamroller scene from Austin Powers, only this time the turtle got away
>>12672298
Right, it's not rural ISPs that will get clobbered, it's Hughes and other GEO satellite internet. WISPs might have some worry, but at least they don't have 1000ms ping times.

>>12672438
The real soijack is the (You)s he gets along the way

>>12671881
Meanwhile Tianwen-1 is already delivering

>>12672446

Well if the aim is just to get (You)'s and not also having satisfying replies filled with seethe for that guy to enjoy to then that is just sad.

>>12671402
>>12671402
>they haven't used their funds to buy an island or some remote huge tract of land in Siberia or wherever, so what could all that money possibly be for?
funding a revolution would be my guess.

That tiling looks sexy af

>>12671437
>>12671453
>>12671454
>blocks your path
why does everybody forget this? is half of /sfg/ newfags now?

>>12671569
remember when that person freaked out about the ok hand the frog was making because it was rayycist or some shit?

>>12671831
retard, thats essentially saying we couldn't do it with old space speeds or costs (of course we couldn't).

>>12672462
i wonder if SN15 will get a full heatshield

>>12672463
Dirt is a lot cheaper than a giant supermagnet that can never break down ever.

>>12671757
Imagine if it crashes and the Chinese one lands perfectly.

>>12671757
How the fuck are they supposed to do a 'return trip' of those tubes? Wouldn't it be easier to just land humans there than figure out how to land another drone there to somehow go and collect these tubes and then fuck off back into orbit and the long trip back?

>>12672488
What seems like the more cost effective and better long term solution? Building or burying all structures under a metre of regolith and having to deal with that shit everytime you want to do even the smallest expansion. Or, building a one off supermagnet with attached solar panels that needs dickall maintenance and probably only needs to be replaced once every couple decades or so?

>>12672531
I thought they said the samples were "to be collected be a future manned mission", which makes no sense because if the astronauts are already there they can drill their own fucking samples.

>>12672547
It's complicated. The real answer is that NASA is doing it under the assumption that they know congress will fuck them over for a manned landing. So if they pay money to collect caches they can tell congress "we already paid billions for these caches so give us more money to go get them". It's political leverage. They are also claiming that these samples are being collected before any humans land on Mars so they will be 100% for sure uncontaminated. But I think that's just them pulling ideas out of their asses

>>12672566
NASA fucks themselves over by being orders of magnitude too expensive and having retarded mission plans

>>12672571
I don’t disagree

>>12672462
seems to get more tiles with every production unit

>>12672607
Mexican tile bakers getting up to speed

>>12672613
Are they made like tortilla chips?

>>12672566
It's the same reason they planned a retarded orbit for Gateway to justify SLS and EUS - "well we've got this space station, you need to fund us continuing to crew it or the Chinese will steal it, and only SLS can deliver crew there."

>>12672571
NASA went to shit as soon as the Paperclip generation left.

I am worried 3mm skin if impacted by a micro meteorite has a high chance of perforation and rapid decompression. I think starship should be a heavy lift vehicle. Where we assemble a bus. Much larger in size. Then give it enough fuel to go to mars and back with a re-usable lander.

>>12672648
Now what about just duct taping a few of the sunofaguns together in LEO? That'd be handy.