/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12664786
>returned to moon
>started building a lunar station
>both programs have been defunded as the west sees economic collapse

SpaceX on the Moon and unmanned on Mars

Rest of old space doing nothing but fucking with Musk with bureaucracy & legislation.

No new achievements

>>12664809
This and a few SLS launches until NASA cuts the project and just buys starships

SpaceX has permanent settlement on Moon and is begining to construct the platform for exploring the solar system. Regular Earth to Moon launches occur.

I think we will see Artemis take off because of the starship payloads to the moon. We will see cargo staging on mars as well as some automated vehicles and plans to send people (depending on how fucking long the government takes to human rate starship)
>>12664836
I agree with this we will see very promising infrastructure on the moon by the end of the decade. Starship is looking promising SLS will put up their dumbass gateway and blue orgin will probably be competitive by then looking for industrial opportunities.

>>12664802
>oth programs have been defunded as the west sees economic collapse
not going to happen
>>12664878
I think it depends on if Biden can be ousted from the Whitehouse after his first term. He is already cutting funds and even with SpaceX going to the moon and mars i'm skeptical that the administration would provide the funding needed to set up a permanent base

>>12664786
>2030
JWST launch within a few years

>>12664923
>JWST
its supposed to launch this year...

>>12664827
No way in hell

Mars cargo starships by 2024

>>12664954
sure bud, interested in buying a bridge?

>>12665247
There is no reason it could be delayed any further

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exIBPHJ_FrQ
Check this out bros, The side by side comparison makes the SN9 look so much smoother in flight.

>>12664786
Unironically nothing will happen.

>>12665397
Delusional

>>12664786
at least one manned moon mission but no permanent base built
more rovers on mars but no hard date for manned mission
partial ISS deorbit

>>12665472
I think if a cargo lunar starship is working by 2026 then there will be a NASA base on the moon by 2030

Here's my timeline
>2021: Starship goes suborbital and lands, Superheavy hops and lands, possibly orbital starship
>2022: First successful Starship to orbit with Starship and Superheavy landing. Regular launches with payload commence
>2023: 15+ successful flights
>2024: First small uncrewed demonstration mission to mars
2025: Starship considered reliable enough for crew
2026: First Starship travels to Mars
2028: 4-5 Starships travel to Mars
2030: Ca. 200-300 people on Mars, fuel production is running
2034: Laser array is placed in LEO
2035: Probes set off to Alpha Centauri
2060: First pictures from alpha Centauri

>>12665511
I think if the starship is ready for a mars trip in 2024 then they will send at least 3 to test them. Also I doubt it will be crew ready that soon.

>>12665257
*knocks on wood*

>>12665609
Fair

>>12664786
>colonization by 2030
lol no
At best wel'll have a manned permanent base for a few people on the moon or mars or both.
And that's already optimistic, but possible.

>>12665647
Is that not a step towards colonization?

>>12665511
lul

>>12665667
>worst design for a colony ever imagined

>>12664889
>He is already cutting funds
That's not the federal budget works.

>>12664802
>US goes full Venezuela
>no money to launch rockets anymore
>base of 30 astronauts are stuck on the lunar base

>>12665667
what is the point of have them so spread out, even from an aesthetic view they are stupid

>>12666538
The point was the structure itself
>>12666747
Aesthetic, their contest never was about planning a colony. Although you could argue that if connected by tunnels there would be a element of safety involved by keeping them spread out

>>12666742
I think we both know the US is never going to establish any base on the moon at their current rate. The US has entered terminal decline. The final years of Rome.

The only bases on the moon will be spacex, China and possibly the poos.

>More rover missions to mars
>Astronauts land
>More rover mars missions

>>12666901
Spacex is the US
>>12666909
I hate politicians so goddamn much

>>12666926
Yes, but I’m talking about nasa. Spacex is a private company and I doubt Musk is interested in doing whatever the US government wants to use him for.

>>12666942
No he won't be their bitch but he sure is hell well sell starship contracts to them and I can't see a world where NASA wouldn't set up a moon base if starships are operational. Its already in the artemis program

Nasa will make history by having the first black, lesbo, tranny go on a spacewalk without a suit and join the 40%. Stunning. Powerful. Brave.

>>12667229
Hopefully

>>12665511
the laser array goes on Venus, anon
you can actually recover everything you need for it from the cloudtops

Like Nasa will do anything, they aren't getting any money so all the actual notable stuuf will be done by Elon. Until he does something the government realizes that all this can have profit. I think it's retarded that space exploration and development is essentially run by a single person but for the next 10 years we an just sit and wait for Elon to make some shit.

China’s quantum satellites will all explode and also simultaneously not explode and we will be trapped on earth as the Quantum Wuhan virus devastates the planet due to the ineffectual vaccines requiring us too not observe them during inoculation for successful injections.

>>12667412
Luckily its Elon who actually wants to get to mars. (Inb4 muh ulterior motives, musk is the richest man in history so money doesn't mean shit to him.) I think once starship is operational NASA will put up a moon base so they don't look entirely foolish.

>>12664786
We'll just be getting to Mars in 2030. There will be no colonization until the second half of the century

>>12667499
I think you're off by a couple of years, and colonization happens as soon as the first person makes a home there instead of just a camp
I give it 2026 for getting there and 2030 for colonization to "start"

>>12667499
Cargo missions will start by 2024 and 2026. Manned missions around 2030. The reason the colonization will be quick is because of the payload capabilities of starship and Musk's available time left on this earth. As soon as people start going they will start the colonization

>>12667514
>>12667516
A base isn't really colonization. I find it hard to believe people will live there permanently. Although, I'd say an international Moon "hub" used for easy asteroid mining and Mars missions is likely to happen this century.

>>12667563
there is absolutely no reason to go to the moon before you leave for Mars

>>12667563
>I find it hard to believe people will live there permanently
There are plenty of people who are willing to do so also with the consistent starship movement you will see people coming and going a lot. So it wouldn't be an antisocial position. Musk is trying to get a million people on mars by 2050 and that will start right away. Once industry starts on the planet it will really ramp up

Moon and mars bases started

>>12664786

Maybe Mars Cargo but probably nothing and by end of that decade a mission

The MCRN will obliterate the earth and reign supreme over sol

>>12668348
A lot would have to fail for that

>exploration/colonization achievements we will have reached by 2030

>>12664786
>Space achievements
None.
Thanks to Biden and Leftists.

spacex will crash a rocket on the moon

>>12668742
Who dis

>>12665313

>>12664786
How does a lander cost 10 billion dollars when that's what a Nimitz super carrier cost?

>>12668857
Military pork can only dream of being as porky as NASA pork

>>12668756
Emily Rudd

Mars base will be started

>>12664836
You're fucking delusional of you think they will accomplish this in less than 10 years.

>>12669474
You are fucking delusional if you think they wont.

>>12668749
yeah they're going to crash a few rockets on Mars too
I hope we get footage

>>12669652
Honestly its a toss up, but by then I think they will be pretty decent

>>12669652
Let's hope martian tv news have their cameras there when that happens.

>>12664786
We never landed on the Moon.
I doubt we will be even able to land on the Moon "again".

>>12664786
>Lets speculate
>SpaceX Explosions
>>12669238 >>12667268 >>12669474 >>12665313 >>12665464 >>12669565
>SN8 and SN9 were already very close to landing successfully
>Not blowing a rocket at least once a month
>not being made in a clean room
SPACEX = INCOMPETENT 100%
ELSE = SABOTAGE 100%

>>12669652
I'll be amazed if they manage to crash a rocket in a planet with 1/3 the gravity of Earth

>>12669652
>yeah they're going to crash a few rockets on Mars too
>I hope we get footage
>>12670115
>if it doesn't go bang before that, I meant.
>thumb-up<

>>12668749 >>12670064
>spacex will crash a rocket on the moon
>>12669652
>yeah they're going to crash a few rockets on Mars too
>I hope we get footage
>>12670115
>if it doesn't go bang before that, I meant.
>thumb(s)-up<

>>12668748
>brown people (who are near powerless economically) are why I'm not living in star trek land!
Where does this meme come from? It's like blaming the janitor for decisions CEOs are making.
I think I get what marxists mean by class warfare and racism is just a a tool to divide the working class.

>>12666559
Funds can be reallocated within agencies by the executive unless they've been specifically earmarked for a particular purpose by Congress. Since most funds are unrestricted and agency missions very pliable, whoever is president can effectively cut funds to nearly anything if they wish. Even projects with earmarked funds generally rely on unrestricted agency funds for things like the building they work in. Not saying Biden has done any of this, just that he can fuck over pretty much anything if he wants to.

>>12671200
>Where does this meme come from?
It comes from the trillions of dollars spent on people who demand more and more be spent on them in exchange for them being angrier and angrier the more they're given. But you probably already knew that and are simply arguing in bad faith because it's all you have left when it comes to defending your expensive pets.

>>12671371
Just... Yikes.

>>12671371
>It comes from the trillions of dollars spent on people who demand more and more be spent on them in exchange for them being angrier and angrier the more they're give
You're still blaming the janitor, you're even doubling down on it.
Poor brown people don't have any power. The politicians and business men do.
Why aren't you asking WHY they are listening to the poor browns over you? You think if it wasn't for brown people they would be listening to you instead?

>>12671483
Sounds anti-Semitic. Did you get lost on your way to the Nazi rally?

>>12670064
If an airfoil broke in a windtunnel would that make the testers incompetent?

>>12671412
I know right, why waste money on African lad when we could be colonising the universe right now. It’s tragic really.

>>12671200
>>12671371
>>12671412
>>12671483
It comes from the fact that the politicians and elite use foreign aid to steal money from the taxpayers, they also use mass immigration from the third world to get legal slave labor in western countries which puts a burden on the US taxpayers. Both of these systems get in the way of space funding and tech progress. You are both correct the brown people are the justification and the elites are the ones behind it. Before you leftists get on my ass about this I'll ask you this, who do these things actually benefit? Cause the immigrants aren't truly benefiting, the foriegn aid isn't going where its supposed to and the Americans/Europeans are the ones who suffer.

>>12671200 >>12671483
>Don't blame janitors
>Blame the elites CEOs, politicians and business men
Woah, Cool it with the anti-semitism bro.

>>12671606
>If an airfoil broke in a windtunnel
DID they go ahead with design specifications & lauch knowing full well airfoil will break under expected operation conditions tested for?
sheeeeeiiiiiiiitttt!!!

I love space, one day I hope to go there

>>12671675
Yes because they wanted data on the weak points and how it would break

Uhhh no one told me Firefly CEO Tom Markusic is and ex-Body Odor guy. And now Firefly's developing their "Blue Ghost" lander? I don't care if blue ghost is actually a type of firefly, Tommy here knows exactly what he's doing lmfao

>>12664786
Such a human retardation, measuring anything in terms of imaginary dollars rather then in the actual wasted usefull resources.
This is the proof that humanity will go extinct, everyone will have money, but nothing to buy with it.

>>12671753
Dollars is a way to measure costs, that way you can compare the value of labor vs materials vs supply/demand. Those costs show the estimated value lost to create them, which is why it exists. Maybe don't reply until you graduate high school

>>12671740
>Yes because they wanted data on the weak points and how it would break
hence the wind tunnel testing.

This is how they know their design would withstand expected conditions.
Their supposed to exceed tolerances in testing to prove it breaks at a higher tolerance.
Are you giving them the "ALL CLEAR" because they did the same basic testing everyone else does?

why are you pointing out something as trivial as this in attempt to advocate spaceX?

>>12671770
You don't understand, the tests they are doing right now is equivalent to wind tunnel testing. The only difference is it is being tested in the public eye and in airspace that they temporarily close. The starship prototypes they are sending are the equivalent to an airfoil because it is simply a piece of the finished product that they are exposing to different situations/stimuli for data collection. All the oldspace niggers on here trying to act like its a finished product being haphazardly thrown at the sky are either retarded or intentionally subversive.

>>12672146
Another example is the wing flexing tests to failure. Testing requires failure, the only difference with spacex is we get to watch those failures in real time

Tell me why we should go to Mars

>>12671319
Tbh famalam I doubt he will. It would be an incredible feather in his cap to say he brought Americans back to the moon. Esp if he brought a taikonaut with him, making china kiss the ring in space

>>12672146
this.
I fully expect 10+ failures, maybe as many as 20, and even 30 wouldnt be a disappointment. Iteration is necessary for something like this, because its not like NASA where a failure means more federal money, and spending money isnt a problem. SpaceX does need to be able to make lots of these to cover the cost of producing them, and iterating now is a great way of both building the manufacturing capability for that and making sure the rocket is as optimized as possible(again, not a problem for oldspace because fuel costs dont matter to them).

>>12672146 >>12672152 >>12672170
>SpaceX public-media department spokesman explains why *KABLOOOOOOM* is perfectly normal.
>cope-management<

>>12672198
why are jews so obsessed with poopoo

>>12672211
I not a Jew, faggot.

>>12672213
You are shilling for them so i bet you are

>>12672219
>scraping the bottom of the meme bucket
say 7 hail Mary & suck on Musk cock.

>>12672159
Unfortunately it's far more likely he will change NASA into once again being primarily about climate change research and third world refugee outreach.

>>12672154
Becoming interplanetary greatly increases the species chances of survival. Getting better at spacetravel and having a fuel factory not on earth will lead to space industry like asteroid mining which will decrease the environmental impact of mining on earth. Also the tech developments from new challenges always give us better QOL

>>12672229
Spell God.

>>12672229
Post eyes and nose

Why do the kikes have it out for Musk so much? First they tried (and failed) to short/kill Tesla and now they're unleashing a propaganda war against SpaceX

>>12672256
>Getting better at spacetravel and having a fuel factory not on earth will lead to space industry like THROWING ROCKS
SOON

>>12672257 >>12672262
>scitard go REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

>>12664836
>SpaceX has permanent settlement on Moon
>permanent
People there will sure enjoy their very short life

>>12672270
posting poop again
do you have a folder of people defecating
i guess freud was projecting when he made an entire philosophy about the asshole and its control over emotion

>>12672279
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

>>12664836
>SpaceX has permanent settlement on Moon
has?
is this an invisible settlement?

>>12672276
Permanent presence is more like it like the ISS

>>12664786
cool timeline
>Moon wars, US VS China
real timeline
>China colonizes the moon
>NASA is defunded and top level positions replaced with POC and women because NASA was built by evil white men to keep a brotha down (Apollo mission was built off the backs of slavery btw, now make sure to vote AOC this year!)

>>12672279
PHHHHHHFFFFF

>>12672303
You have way too much faith in china

>>12664786
>Space exploration/colonization achievements we will have reached by 2030
I think that there are only two big players in space exploration that are SpaceX and China, the rest will follow the best they can, so here goes my predictions.

SpaceX:
2021: Fully working prototype of Starship and Heavy luncher.
2022: Spacex alone reaches 100km, all year tests with spaceship and super heavy.
2023: SpaceX starts delivering satellites with starship.
2024: Development of lunar starship begins.
2026: starship cleared for human crew.
2028: Lunar version start tests in space.
2029: Starship starts moving materiel for Moon base.
2030: Lunar landing and possible test of starship to Mars.

China:
2021: Begins building Space station.
2022: Long March 9 first flight, Chang6 mission to mars to check for water in possible location of human base.
2023: Chinese Space station completed. First flights of reusable Long March 8.
2024: Fist lunar mission to planned moon base, robot set up site, establishes communication with earth.
2025 to 2028: Build up for lunar mission.
2029: China starts sending cargo to the Moon for moon base.
2030: first manned mission, China establishes a permanent moon base, starts with 3 astronauts and slowly grows. China starts testing in space nuclear rockets. and possibly sends to the moon a mini nuclear reactor to power the base.

Yes, NASA will land in the moon, but they don`t have the muscle without spacex to keep supplying a moonbase, China and Russia also will carry sucessful missions but not human presence.

>>12672330
here's my prediction for 2025

>>12672334

>>12672340
the latest coon spasm

>>12664786
It'll all be Chinese.
At this rate if the west doesn't wake the fuck up, you can kiss goodbye to the idea of white people in space.

>>12672330
Your China timeline is way too optimistic, also in 2026 spacex will be staging the moon and mars with material not 2029.

>>12672346
>>12672330
>>12672303
>Ching chong bing bing bing I eat dog and cannot see

>>12672363
Kneel white man.

- Posted from Beijing (yes, fuck you pig!)

>>12672367
Someone is angry, breaks over go back to making my toilet brushes slave

>tfw we're only on raptor sn50
>were supposed to be making one raptor a day 1 year ago
>not on raptor sn365
uhhh...elon??

>>12672263
Critical of covid restrictions
Critical of California

>>12672359
>Your China timeline is way too optimistic, also in 2026 spacex will be staging the moon and mars with material not 2029.
I agree that maybe I am too optimistic, we shall see, What I don`t think is that SpaceX will go to Mars before 2030. Is too far away and there are still too many questions for starship. We need the lessons that the moon can teach us before we attempt Mars.

booster hop never ever...

>>12664786
>Space exploration/colonization achievements we will have reached by 2030


Still using archaic technology to try and send any meaningful payloads beyond our very own satellite.

This primate species is doomed to die on this rock.

>>12672606
>Is too far away and there are still too many questions for starship.
The length of the trip really has no impact on the timeline. Also the only reason I can think of that you would believe this is because you are Chinese

>>12664802
>lunar station
toll booth

>>12665020
Falcon Heavy flight by 2013

>>12672294
Read the question again.

>>12671483
>Poor brown people don't have any power. The politicians and business men do.

Imagine having such a crude, child-like understanding of society...

>>12671740
>Yes because they wanted them to explode.
How many of the KABOOOOOOMS so far are covered by this excuse?

Why does a Lunar lander from old space cost as much money as a nuclear super carrier?

Take the Dwarf pill.

>>12672868

>>12664786
Artemis program will be close to sending people to Mars.
The Artemis gateway should be complete and musk wants a crewed mission to Mars in 2026

Unable to find a market in the west. Musk et al will have found a niche in the far east, receiving 12 figure contracts to provide starship fleets and logistics for a space program centered around lunar habitation.

>>12672154
There's tendies there anon

>>12672886
How does starship do it on the moon with no air? Come in ass first with no flop? Sort of seems much easier

>>12672794
The starship's original projection was 2022 cargo mission. 2024 is a 2 year delay of that.

>>12672886
>Musk et al will have found a niche in the far east, receiving 12 figure contracts to provide starship fleets and logistics for a space program centered around lunar habitation.
He is not allowed to do that.

>>12672888
She's going to hell.

>>12664802
From what, peak oil?

>>12672977
kill yourself namefag

>>12672977
>El Arcón
El Ogro de las Ciencias

El Goblino, La Creatura, Dios Mio

>>12668752
fake

>>12668742
trump is over, you can stop now.

>>12672821
the 3 richest billionares in US earn more than the bottom 50% of the population combined.
that definitely comes with power

>>12672992
40% of all USD in existence was minted last year.

>>12673245
Most of that wealth is just ownership of a percentage of companies. Its not liquid.

>>12664786
In 2030 there will be 10 people permanently living on Mars, all in the same zone.

>>12667478
>musk is the richest man in history
Entirely based on a memestock that will collapse horribly in the next two years when the EV market stabilizes.

>>12664827
>>12665397
lmao nope
>>12664833
>SLS launches
haha
>>12665511
unironically possible. 20% chance

>>12673317
yeah and Starlink doesn't exist right?
retard

>>12672850
All of them

>>12673291
earned =/= owned
you're wrong, look it up

>>12673348
>Musk stated we are expecting All of them to go KABOOOOOOM as studying KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM will tell us everything about KABOOOOOOM.
>Musk will now take questions from the audience, please direct your questions upon KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM for which we have striven.
>the speaker adds, please ask no questions about the mission capability of our craft because they all went KABOOOOOOM and we haven't seen it work often cause that was never a goal at CRACK-POT AIRSPACE.
lmao kek

>>12673369
You are wrong. Look it up

>>12673386
Hmm i don't see anyone else on their level of success. Why don't you give me an example

Absolutely none. Outer space is a meme. The earth is flat. Dumbass. But don't let simple truth and critical thought get in your way. Continue believing everything NASA and Elon Musk tells you. These people have never lied about anything and never will, coz science and sheeeit.

>>12673392
>Hmm i don't see anyone else on their level of success
>>12669214 >>12670113 >>12670200 >>12670214 >>12670227 >>12670238 >>12670251 >>12670255 >>12670285 >>12670401 >>12670425 >>12670433 >>12670445 >>12670461 >>12671966 >>12672050
YOU don't HAVE anything, musk is a sideline joke.

>>12673411
You area spacememe shill? Wow even more retarded than i thought

>>12673419
>I worship an incompetent no-one
>NOOOOOO!!!! YOU WRONG I SUCK ON FAGGOT PRANCE ABOUT KABOOOOOOM!!!
yeh, I'll pay attention when yous know what the fuck you're doing!!
lmao kek

>>12672146 >>12672152 >>12672170
>>12672257 >>12672262
>studying KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM after KABOOOOOOM will tell us everything about KABOOOOOOM.

>>12664786
Somewhat regular manned missions to the moon.
Somewhat regular means once a year at best
That's it.

Space exploration is going way too slow with how fast technology and science has advanced in the last 20 years

>manned moon mission
>more mars stuff, possibly manned
>lots of infrastructure stuff
>commerical space investing takes off
>beginning stages of more infrastructure besides the ISS and satellites
>academia & industry partnerships
>milestone space industry technology advances
>chinks and the other uppitys LARPing and using US tech to do stuff the US did decades ago but its QUANTUM or some stupid shit

>>12671647
this, faggots

>>12672330
>Long March 9
>Chang6
did they really name their vehicles like this

>>12673563
Yep they are such idiots!
Giving chinese names in China, what they were thinking?

>>12673700
The irony lost on you makes it funnier

>>12664786
by 2030 their will be a probe sent to Sedna

>>12673411
>ITS VALUABLE DATA
boom
>WE MET ALL OUR TEST GOALS
boom
>SPACE IS HARD
boom
>WE WILL CURE CANCER IN SPACE BECAUSE SPACE
kaboom

>>12673485
>having absolutely zero idea how any scientific or technological progress so far has been achieved
name a single breakthrough of magnitude that was not the product of failure after failure after failure.

>>12673749
>inuit goddess

>>12673426
Richest man in the world.

>>12674229
>Half ass my way thru is solid engineering

>>12674694
>KABOOOOOOM

>>12672931
You can't stop information flowing.

>>12664827
WOOOW MOMMY LOOK AT ME LOOK HOW CYNICAL I AM LOOK LOOK I'M FITTING IN WITH MY 4CHANNEL FRIENDS

>>12665511
The best things about this timeline is that it's, while optimistic, very possible.
I'm feeling pretty good about the future brehs

>>12664786
Mars missions

>>12674159
kek

>>12673256
>40% of all USD in existence was minted last year.

Holy fuck, is this true?

>>12674876
I'm pretty sure they are Chinese anon

>>12672159
He just convinced Congress to put a hold on funding for private development of a lander for the Artemis program.

>>12675067
you best believe in hyperinflation.

>>12675067
Welcome to the future... enjoy your $1400 stimulus check. Just be sure you don't spend that $800 in one place. There are a lot of people who aren't lucky enough to get $200 from their government.

>>12675621
heh

>>12664786
>>returned to moon
yes
>>started building a lunar station
yes
>>both programs have been defunded as the west sees economic collapse
nah
I would also add-
>start of Lunar mining/resource extraction
>Lunar farming of crops and research into optimising low gravity crops
>Long distance missions start launching from Lunar base using hydrocarbons extracted and refined from moon and perhaps even spaceships built from moon metals
>Lunar manned orbital space station
>modules sent to Mars and constructed robotically ahead of first human visitors

>>12675612
good thing no sensible economist is worried about this anymore

>>12676412
>>modules sent to Mars and constructed robotically ahead of first human visitors
A shit load as starship will be up and running

>>12676450
>establishment fed and hedge fund backed crooks disinfo agents
>sensible economists

>>12664786
Zero.

Wage cages, violence, deranged propaganda meant to break the spirit - that is the future.

>>12664786
Musk managed to make a rocket that doesn't explode, Starlink is up and running.

That's about it. 10 years is a tiny stretch of time.

>>12673749
I promise to Probe Uranus within 10 years

"Once you go Black you never go Back" - /pol/

"Once you fall into a Black Hole you never go Back whole" - Astronomy

>>12679766
>Once you go Black you never go Back
kys nigger

>>12679749
Already done that, it's called falcon 9.
As for me I'll be on Mars doing my martian things and laughing at you earthling losers.