/sci/ - Science & Math

Some ethereal footage https://youtu.be/Ep8XJanoFgw

>>12660929
>I make decisions all the time. There’s no way it’s just a result of the laws of physics
If you had total information about the state of the universe, down to things not measurable by physical processes like exact position/spin/momentum of quantum particles, and a powerful enough computer, you could calculate the complete state of the next moment. The self-consistency principle asserts that there is no way for an a-causal agent to interfere in this process, and therefore all actions for the entire lifespan of the universe were predetermined at the moment of the universe's creation. You can make conscious decisions, but what those decisions will be was set in stone billions of years ago. This of course is the sort of thing that causes Lovecraft Protagonist style critical SAN loss in many normies, and is probably a psychological component of the Great Filter.

>>12660935
It comes down to a Jew named Minkowski asserting at a physics conference that speed-of-light propagation lag WAS time without a shred of evidence and everyone just sort of going along with it. A more useful analogy is a computer game. "Time" would be the state machine of the game advancing, which you see as frame rate. "The speed of light" and "light cones" would be akin to "how quickly distant objects rendee as you approach them" and your PC not having to render the entire game universe at once.

This actually goes back to Quantized Inertia. The QI concept of a horizon in this analogy is the game engine's draw distance. As you probably know from gaming, the smaller a world you have to render, the more FPS you can get on the same hardware. It's why games will push you into a confined corridor in order to disguise load time or background processing. In QI, information is also expressed as ENERGY, so rather than time accelerating, asymmetrically shrinking the draw distance horizon is an asymmetric creation of energy, which becomes thrust.

>>12660973

imagine groundhog day except youre stuck covering the SN9 test, and you have to watch it explode again and again, then you try to change fate and over an insane amount of repetitions you manage to earn musks trust, make sn9 and go to bed with musk

>>12660967
>slide_whistle.wav
>KA_BOOOOOOOOOM.wav

trying to do all the maneuvers to land this thing in the last few hundred meters seems like a good way to die if even a fly farts wrong

>>12660967
Has there been anymore news on mars? SpaceX is only a few years away from sending material to the Martian surface.

>>12660985
NASA's Perseverance robot lands on the 18th.

>>12660983
https://youtu.be/Q6kI9wvbd7o

>>12660984
What if Starship nosecone separated and parachuted down like any other capsule? It can freefall while the Starship does the dicey landing and the "flight deck" can be restacked after checkout.

>>12660989
Yeah and SN9 had a decent test but I'm talking more about vehicle, structure and infrastructure news.

>>12660981
Novikov Principle allows for randomness, just sets the probability of paradox-causing events to 0

> This of course is the sort of thing that causes Lovecraft Protagonist style critical SAN loss in many normies, and is probably a psychological component of the Great Filter.
The universe is as incomprehensible as Lovecraft said it was. You just kind of get used to it, and sometimes indulge in wondering what lies beyond the veil.

>>12660992
Doesn’t work on Mars.
That one thing drives all of the design elements.
Like, why no abort system?
Even if it “worked” on Mars you abort and then are..... still on Mars and die. Etc.

>>12660985
A rover is landing pretty soon

>>12660998
that's a shit plan. i'd send most of my supplies to mars before people got there, and only then try to land. the risk of mission failure is too high otherwise

Video of the recent Maine rocket launch https://youtu.be/n0wkjy2dP-E

>>12661000
>Thursday, Feb. 18, 2021, at approximately 12:30 p.m. PST (3:30 p.m. EST).
Still not very related to the colony though.

>>12660997
>The universe is as incomprehensible as Lovecraft said it was. You just kind of get used to it
Most normies are not capable of it. That's why the collapse of organized religion in the West led to the rise of spiritual woo woo, neo paganism, whig history, trad larping, and a desperate search to fill the void in their brains. It's the spiritual equivalent of Wile E. Coyote continuing to run on thin air until he looks down. Even most people into Lovecraft's stories deal with it by making the abstract concrete - Cthulhu plushies, RPGs with stat blocks, etc.

Anyway back to rockets, we apparently had one launch from Lovecraft Country.

>>12661003

>Stardust recovers payload
>Starship crashes and burns

>>12660998
I meant just for returning to pad but your not wrong either.

>>12660981
Our universe is a static 4D object, yes. My current take on things is that the passage of time can't really be explained by the characteristics of the universe as we understand it—in other words "time" and our experience of it is not an inherent property of the universe.
It clears up a lot of issues if we assume that the universe is being "displayed" in sequence by some external mechanism, like a computer might read and display a DVD. The movie exists, in some way, as information on the disc, but requires something to process it in order to properly take form. This also simplifies many questions about consciousness, because our conscious experience wouldn't be taking place "inside" the universe but in the mechanism that's reading it. Consciousness wouldn't really be generated in the brain, just informed by the 4D shape of the brain in question.
And this is why if you do too many of the right drugs, your connection to your brain gets scrambled and you temporarily decouple from the universe and start to directly perceive the meta-computer until the machine elves come along to fix things.

>>12660935
It doesn't. As far as I know there's been nothing to suggest it would. Only people saying that according to our current interpretations of our understanding of the universe it would cause something fucky wucky with energy and that it just isn't possible so the next totally logical conclusion is to say that it being possible would destroy the universe and cause paradoxes.
>>12660981
Speaking on the second part.
How true is this?
And if it what all does it mean?
And also would it mean that people are saying it's impossible to go faster than light the same way people thought it was impossible to go faster than sound?

Any word on cause of failure?

>>12661003
*missile

>>12661014
more comfy renders please.

>>12661014
reminds me of the Outland aesthetic

>>12660967
At least it was a different failure this time. The raptor that actually re-lit didn't look like it was eating its copper insides at all, which is nice.

>>12661017
No :)

>>12661024
Looks like someone’s flat in the Alien universe

>>12661017
Well it blew up, and it wasn't supposed to do that.

T E A-
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>>12661013
>And this is why if you do too many of the right drugs, your connection to your brain gets scrambled and you temporarily decouple from the universe and start to directly perceive the meta-computer until the machine elves come along to fix things.
A sysadmin restarting a balky daemon, as it were.

>>12661014
>How true is this?
It's a straightforward consequence of the Quantized Inertia hypothesis, which is currently being tested.
>And if it what all does it mean?
It means that interstellar physics doesn't work entirely according to Einstein's laws so a lot of "hard" scifi might be headed the way of Jules Verne.
>And also would it mean that people are saying it's impossible to go faster than light the same way people thought it was impossible to go faster than sound?
That's actually a very good analogy for this - sound is the propagation of kinetic energy through a medium, and lightspeed is the propagation of information through space. The relativistic motion equations would need to be modified to account for a change in the conserved quantity from mass-energy to mass-energy-information, which could remove a "mass is infinite at v=c" condition. That's the "barrier." On the other hand, relativity is concerned with -velocity- where QI is concerned with -acceleration-, so I think there's probably some hideous four (or more!) dimensional calculus involved.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aetFZEwh730
does this have any truth to it?

>>12661037
None whatsoever.
It's pure speculation.

>>12661008
Still cool. Colonization won't begin until Starship is up and running consistently, which could be quite a few years.

>>12661034
TEA-TEB burns green, right? That sounds like a good basis for a mixed drink.
>Tea-TEB: green tea and rocket fuel absinthe

>>12661037
>>12661040
yep but its cool
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u9XcrebLTQ

>>12661046
Sounds good, would drink

>>12661041
>Colonization won't begin until Starship is up and running consistently, which could be quite a few years.
starship could start making unmanned trips to mars as soon as 2024. If that is the case then you can bet plans are already being made.

>>12660990
That is beautiful.

>>12661017
It looks like it has something to do with the engines.

>>12661017
i wanna fuck that girl

will post vid again
https://youtu.be/hR6DATfX7kI

>>12661105
Yep, that's m

>>12661036
>A sysadmin restarting a balky daemon, as it were.
lol, basically
Under this framework, we also see determinism put into a really weird spot. On one hand, it's in full effect because the universe exists all at once- with past present and future all part of its structure. On the other hand, the operators of this meta-computer could make alterations to the block universe of any scale or scope and we would be literally incapable of knowing about or perceiving those changes unless we were intended to.
I do think that efforts of the collective consciousness can have an effect though. Given that our conscious experience takes place in the meta-computer, a large enough degree of subconscious coordination might be able to crudely imitate the universe-editing capabilities of the actual operators. Hence meme magic.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

>>12661105
Kek. The launch threads are so fucking fun

>>12660981
>>12661013
>>12661036
>>12661116
I think this is mostly just passing the free will buck up to a different dimension.

Seriously, what the fuck are they going to do about suits? They won't be getting any work done in those shitbox artemis suits and no private company has even started development on anything resembling a suit you can actually fucking work in.

>>12661132
you'll see ;)

>>12661132
Its ridiculous. Everything NASA lately has been garbage

>>12661143
Good luck Elon, remember to turn the lights off when you leave.

>>12661128
Probably, but we also don't have any idea what the physics might be for the place that's "up" from here. Dimensionality, the nature of time, and all the things that complicate the "free will" problem could just all be part of a convenient formatting standard for things on our level.
Or maybe free will can only be relative to your dimension, and the buck gets passed up ad infinitum. Maybe it loops around.

>>12661150
I really hope Elon hasn't seen this.
Also does anyone know why he looked so pissed off in that pic?

>>12661156
He has read it. Get it? Reddit!

So I guess Tim Dodd is more like Tim Fraud (or Tim Cuckold) since Elon basically wrecked his Model 3, called off the interview, and said no tours allowed

>>12661156
>Also does anyone know why he looked so pissed off in that pic?

Captured during the second before he could muster his will and calm his look of disgust for the estrogen filled bugman simp before him.

It may be overly optimistic but I still believe a 2022 mars launch is possible.

>>12661152
>Dimensionality, the nature of time, and all the things that complicate the "free will" problem could just all be part of a convenient formatting standard for things on our level.
I like it, the hard problem of consciousness as the specifications for a VR codec.

>>12661150
Tim might be the breastfeed poster. look at the tits on him

>>12661156
I hope he has, he'd probably think it was hilarious because he has a sense of humor and would recognize it's all intended to be in good fun.
He looks mad because he's a sperg and sometimes forgets how to operate his body in a natural-looking way.

>>12661176
I'll bet you $5 I'm right, too. We may need to settle that bet after we die or otherwise ascend, though.

>>12661175
I think it's not quite as likely as the early days of hopper when we thought he would be orbital with a shitcan in a few months. Still, it strikes me that there will almost definitely be functional orbital prototypes by the end of the launch window. If that happens then even launching a single starship (might as well load it with cargo in case it succeeds) to gain data on the Martian re-entry and landing would be massively valuable for the next synod when they will definitely send shitloads of stuff since you only get one shot at reentry and Mars will be very different to Earth reentry.

>>12661150
i like how jim's text is mtn dew colored

>>12661132
What the fuck are you on about?

>>12661192
goofy shit

>>12661192
Bro, read accounts of working in those things and now imagine yourself working multi hour duration shifts doing heavy lifting or delicate work. Not fucking happening, the artemis suit is a barely minor improvement over the apollo suits.

>>12661061
Who in their right mind would want to live there? They need to send robots in advance and 3d print a nice european city out of regolith or something because that looks like a hellhole. Put it all under a big dome

>>12661209
Go away newfag

>>12661209
>Who in their right mind would want to live there?
Alcoholics, the unemployable, angry loners...

>>12661199
They have spent years working on these, and working IN these, so they must know better than you.

>>12661216
>Appeal to NASA authority

>>12661190
Yeah I believe Musk has the goal of the 2024 launch window for the real first trips but if they reach orbit and get their super heavy working I could see them rushing the 2022 window to get that data. check this out if you haven't seen it.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Aw6WG4Dww

>>12661192
its really bad.

>>12661209
Its being planned but there are plenty of willing people.

>>12661209
>3d print a nice european city
gayest thing written this year so far

>>12661216
>They have spent years working on these, and working IN these, so they must know better than you.
They've spent years and billions on SLS and its getting BTFO by starship.

>>12661229
True, it wont be A European style printed city.

>>12661234
>Asshole ornament house

Gross, go put your faggot paraphernalia colony on some shithole like Ceres.

>>12661234
>oh i'd just -love- a replica gay paree so i can mince around le tower de effiel with my bf amongst all the african immigrants selling fake sunglasses and laser pointers. how romantic!
keep your shit on earth.

>>12661237
its a basic 3d print structure, the final design would obviously be different but I don't have renders of anything else.

Has he been driving this slow the whole fucking time? What the fucK

>>12661240
Someone is mad they didn't win the NASA contest.

>>12661242
are there any cad models of these available or am i going to have to make one? i kinda want to proont one for sfg lols and also to stick up my ass.

>>12661250
>NASA contest

A lower standard for something actually useful I couldn't imagine.

>>12661251
The company is AISpaceFactory but I don't think they have the cad availible.

>>12661252
It was a decent contest.

Suit gloves need the most work. As the constant pressure causes pain and even for nails to come off.

Martian suit time will be much longer than the few hours of an iss space walk.

>>12661259
Everything needs work, That suit's ergonomics will fucking destroy you on mars.

>>12661258
Yes, because having a digger lean on your Mars house is a totally relevant performance metric.

>>12661196
>>12661222
Fight me irl

>>12661259
Also on the ISS they just sort of float around pushing off things with minimal force and it still reks them just do do absolutely tiny maintenance jobs. Now on Mars you have to trek across the landscape, carry heavy bullshit and fit tiny fixings bent and crouched at retard angles and positions.

>>12661265
retard fucking niggar

>>12661262
Structural integrity on a quickly made autoprinted structure was not a bad idea. They already had their other design, materials, and plans evaluated and judged. It was a good contest.

>>12661242
The interior reminds me of a cuttlefish for some reason.

Related: anyone who figures out how to raise pelagic squid in captivity is going to be a gorillionaire.

>>12661270
Anonymous

>>12661265
have you ever labored for 12-18 hours? have you ever done so in winter clothing? Those fucking suits are hardly capable on spacewalks let alone on a Martian surface

>>12661262
if Musk was slapping Starships with random diggers to test their strength /sfg/ would coom over "epic industrial low cost space man"

>>12661268
Part of the problem on ISS is it's hard vacuum outside, a worst case scenario for a soft suit. Mars has at least SOME atmosphere to provide counterpressure.

>>12661272
kek why?

>>12661277
>>12661268
Speaking of the ISS, a starship is supposed to have the same amount of habitable volume.

>>12661272
Why don't we just 3D print/vat grow squid flesh? And for that matter why don't we print/grow Galapagos tortoise meat seeing as they were historically regarded as absolutely delicious?

>>12661282
That's crazy, the video of that one interior mockup render of Starship makes it seem much bigger than the ISS in terms of functional habitable space.

>>12661279
Besides the obvious "easier than raising tuna on Mars" aspect, the Earth market for squid is bumping up against what we can harvest wild. Imagine being the first guy to figure out salmon aquaculture, multiplied by about a thousand due to demand scale.

>>12661288
Well it will seem much larger because it isn't spread out in the tiny ISS pods that were made to fit in the shuttle

>>12661275
Anybody who believes that Mark III or Artemis xEMU are "barely minor improvement" over Apollo suits is waste of oxygen, let alone my time.

>>12661315
>Waste of Oxygen

Yep, that's all you're going to be doing in one of those suits.

>>12661315
They are not to the level of 60 years of technological improvement but then again neither is the SLS

>>12661315
Get a job that involves working with your hands you basement dwelling redditor and you will understand these suits are good for fuck all except flags and footprints.

>>12661316
>>12661326
Entertain me. Show me that superior space suit of yours.

>>12661327
It doesn't exist, that's the problem retard.

>>12661327
space camel toes

>>12661330
Hey I'm pretty sure those are my motorbike gloves, not even joking lmao. When is someone going to pickup the patents from these useless grant chasers?

>>12661328
So you are just a shitposting faggot. Good grief.
>>12661330
Good luck surviving in that on motherfucking Mars.

>>12661339
My very first post was lamenting about how there are no really usable suits for actually working labour shifts in, then you want me to post a superior suit to the shitbox you post and claim victory? ok bro.

>>12661339
>Good luck surviving in that on motherfucking Mars.
they're mechanical pressure suits using memory alloys to figure hug your pert breasts instead of hiding that tight ass inside a michelin man suit.

Didn't Gwynne Shotwell say SpaceX would make its own suits for Mars?

>SN9 aftermath edition
It's over boys, yesterday's explosion was the final nail in the coffin. After this, recovery is unlikely. Years of development only for it to be swept under the rug like it never even happend at all. It was nice while it lasted, but all we have now is the lament for Starship's cancelation. Our best hopes now rely in Blue Origin, and I, for one, am looking forward to a new future for spaceflight, a Blue future.
RIP Starship, you will be missed.
Gradatim Ferociter, Blue Origin. Godspeed.

>>12661347
I'm assuming they would, NASA is probably not going to send astronauts before spacex does

>>12661340
Excellent. All NASA engineers working on space suits in past three decades are retards, and they should have employ you to show them how it's done.

>>12661354
>launch mount almost complete
>2021 launch assured
#teamblue

>>12661354
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_T4QayqtI4
Oh no not the heckin prototyperino. Watch this video please and open your eyes.

>>12661327
>If you can't build your own superior spacesuit then shut up
What a stupid fucking argument. I couldn't build a working space shuttle if I tried, guess we should keep strapping missiles to planes and killing astronauts.

>>12661361
>All NASA engineers working on SLS in past three decades are retards, and they should have employ Elon Musk to show them how it's done.

>>12661365
Yes??

>>12661361
The diversity hires are but lets be honest the real issue is the lack of motivation. They get paid to well to do too little.

>>12660967
Clearly this idea itself is a failure. They should scrap it and go back to the drawing board instead of building more of them.

Anyone else annoyed that they forced big Jim out of the Administrator spot?

>>12661375
What a retarded take.

>>12661387
its crazy how much the design has changed of starship since the star hopper was built

>>12661374
This have nothing to do with Boing. Mark III is Global Effects, xEMU is NASA, ILC Dover, Oceaneering etc. (like four or five variants of the same concept). Go, and tell them all that they are wrong.

>>12661397
>>12661365
meh

>>12661304
calamari are alright, but I don't see why would that be "salmon aquaculture, multiplied by about a thousand due to demand scale"
squids aren't that high in demand, are they?

>>12661209
I often fantasize about going to mars on a 2 Year work passage and having an extramarital affair with a hot scientist that looks like Alison Brie. What happens on Mars stays on Mars BB.

SN9 was Rei. Showed great skill with the flip maneuver but was let down by bad equipment.

SN10 was Shinji. Uses an improved design but is let down by shoddy piloting (flipfail lmao)

SN11 will be Asuka. Perfect execution by a perfect pilot and machine.

>>12661330
>>12661341
Maybe by the time SLS lands on Mars in 2070 they will have them.

>>12661071
really? what an exhaustive analysis sherlock

>>12661411
When you consider global demand, not just western demand, they are. Bugmen consume squid like motherfuckers and are overfishing them with their giant locust-like factory fleet like you wouldn't believe.

>>12661415
And you are a double baka, because SN10 is still on the pad.

>>12661395
Right? especially since the BFR days

>>12661375
nice b8 mate
(You)

>>12661427
A lot of people don't like the current design but I kind of like its simplicity.

>>12661427
>ITS

bros.... the kino that might have been....

>>12661415
who the fuck was sn8?

>>12661431
It's functional which is great but it lost it's SOUL.

>>12661433
It would of been kino but apparently SpaceX would have only been able to produce a few dozen ITSs, and they would also cost a lot more to launch, which would obviously rule out Elon's mars colonization plans.

>>12661397
>Go, and tell them all that they are wrong.
If I had the capital to make a suit company I would. They are thinking like oldspace and it shows, Martian astronauts aren't going to be research oriented, they are going to be construction oriented and that requires a different design. The problem with these suits is they are built for the artemis missions which is not the future of space flight

>>12661431
>>12661437
You're only saying that because it looks like a prototype right now, just wait until its got more engines, has windows and is all polished.

>>12661448
Sorry senpai gonna have to disagree. I might indeed like it a lot when it's done but it will never approach the Italian racecar aesthetic of ITS.

>>12661415
anon... you probably meant
SN8
SN9
SN10

SN10 is still on the pad

>>12661448
If you think the final starship is actually gonna have windows like that, BOY have I got some news for you.

>>12661458
>SN10 is still on the pad
Not for long

>>12661460
It will have windows. Crew starship doesn't need to be nearly as optimized for mass as cargo starship.

>>12661461
I hope that they launch it in the next 2-3 weeks and the FAA doesn't do shit

>>12661463
If you are going to the moon or earth orbit, yeah go nuts, but to mars? No. They are going to have to mass optimise the fuck out of it.

>>12661463
They're just gonna be portholes. Imagine trying to engineer a continuous latticework of windows that large that can be pressurized reasonably and withstand launch forces.

Not to mention that it's like multiple tons of glass offset to one side of the rocket.

>>12661464
What does the SN10 need? 3 raptors, one of them actually spotted already, engine installment, cryo proof the vehicle, static fire and then it should be ready? Best scenario should be 2 weeks?

I wonder if sn10 will even launch this month.

>>12661454
I disagree
>>12661460
The Crew Starship will have windows.

>>12661491
see
>>12661473

>>12661471
Not really, the raptors are incredibly powerful.
>>12661473
Even if they are portholes there will be a shit load of them.

>>12661492
Not as big of an issue as you think

>>12661494
>Not really, the raptors are incredibly powerful.

And this has what to do with optimising dry mass and payload?

>>12661498
It makes optimization unnecessary

>>12661504
Go back to school and get an education.

>>12661497
Yes. It is. I worked at Spacex until recently. They've been working on "the window problem" for almost as long as they've been seriously working on starship.

>>12661513
was the froyo any good

>>12661513
I was Starlink. No froyo. Just free soda and chips and some shitty "beep your badge to pay" sandwiches and crap.

>>12661530
ah, Washington office then
good stuff

>>12661530
>>12661522
Dammit. Too high to click the right post.

>>12661508
I have one

>>12661513
That's good to hear also why did you separate from them.

>>12661532
Yep. Good times.

>>12661534
typical washington faggot

>>12661534
>Too high
degenerate

>>12661534
>>>420chan

>>12661538
Don't wanna say too much because I'm Starlink and I'd be easy to identify. Things changed after 0.9 in a way that made my job a bunch of busy work. Left for a company that gave me an exciting opportunity.

>>12661552
cool

>>12661552
Why not just move departments?

>>12661559
I'm more specialized than some rando manufacturing engineer.

>>12661565
well leaving spacex seems like a dumb idea unless you are leaving the space industry

Do people on this board still seriously doubt SpaceX? Seems absolutely retarded to not believe in them now.

>>12661569
I don't work on rockets, I work on the things that the rockets take to space. As far as interesting "in-space" companies go, Spacex is pretty shit-tier actually unless you design antennas or work in prop.

>people believing some shitty LARP

>>12661577
yeah wtf is blue origin even doing?

>>12661330
illegally based

>>12661576
>As far as interesting "in-space" companies go, Spacex is pretty shit-tier actually unless you design antennas or work in prop.
Yeah its just the dominant player in the industry now nbd

>>12661596
>Implying that radio communication satellites are literally the only type of satellite

>>12661603
You are retarded

Isn't there supposed to be a double Starlink launch today? When is that?

>>12661415
>asuka
>perfect
you're a fucking idiot

>>12661650
reinigger on suicide watch

Current Starship looks the best by far.
Nothing will ever surpass her, though.

>>12660967

>>12661572
Starship has been debunked

>>12661674
Starship is just the second stage though
with 3 engines it's a little less powerful than Falcon 9's first stage
with 6 engines it's closer to Delta IV Heavy
and it's 50 meters tall so shorter than Falcon 9, but chubbier

Super Heavy is where the KINO's at
inner ring of 8 raptors with gimbal
outer ring of 20 fixed raptors optimized for MAXIMUM THRUST
for a total thrust of 75 MN or 2.15x the thrust of Saturn V
imagine the frost
imagine the venting action
imagine the 28 jets shooting out prior to ignition
imagine the fucking MASSIVE plume and dust cloud
imagine the deafening sound of 28 raptors firing at full throttle
compared to SN8 and SN9's 3 raptors firing at partial throttle

>>12661692
how LOUD will that shit be
i bet it will be heard from dozens of kilometers away, like a small volcanic eruption

>>12661696
>How loud will several kilotonnes of fuel/ox mix being combusted be

really

fucking

loud

>>12661677
t. blunderf00t

>>12661712
kek, redditlord contrarian faggots on suicide watch, don't worry thundernigger, I'm sure those TSLA shorts will make you money one day lmao.

Chinese launch startup might be the first to get a methalox rocket into space, before Starship.
>Landspace has completed assembly of the first stage of its first Zhuque-2 liquid methane-liquid oxygen launch vehicle. The stage is powered by 4 x Tianque-12 engines. A test launch expected this year. Potentially the first methalox launcher to orbit.
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1356901276550848514

>>12661753
>LandSpace

just WHY

>>12661753
Chinks have been doing some impressive space shit recently given their pig iron peasant recent history. Hopefully they can put the fear of god into zog.

>>12661659
>usakanigger can't count to potato, but thinks he can talk shit about rei patricians

>>12661753
everyone's jumping on the methalox bandwagon

>>12661692
The virgin tri-vent vs the CHAD octicosal-vent

>>12661696

That reminds me of the first launch of Saturn V when in site reporters shat their pants from the insane noise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uoVfZpx5dY

>>12661234
>>12661242
>proontfag is back
Need I remind you?

>>12661832
Love when reporters lose their composure and their instinctive emotions take over, especially in this case when you can tell how excited Cronkite is.

>>12661330
Just put life support systems around the torso in armor and you get the perfect surface EVA suit for Mars.

>>12661433
Don't worry, 18m Starship might end up taking design hints from the ITS.

>>12661850
Cronkite was great, you can tell the moments he was really excited but still remained classy.

>>12661712
What was his actual reaction to Falcon Heavy?

>he thinks he can get away with it

>>12661832
>we're maybe a year or two away from whitnessing something of even greater magnitude
Unironically the only thing that's giving me any hope for the future.

biovirgins vs astroCHAD

>>12661755
chinks can't into names.

desu I always figured the ideal space suit would be a normal suit with mechanical counterpressure hands, kind of like the ones in Infinite Warfare. Seems like it'd be the best of both worlds.

>>12661327
And you people think this is a “good” design lol
Fucking NASA has insane criteria that cripples any innovation attempts
If you don’t have to field patch the suit occasionally, it’s way over built.

Huh, some kind of ring fell out of the raptor before it reached the apogee.

>>12661980
Mexican welders always leaving shit behind

>>12661980
Misplaced TS-25 Decoupler

>seething suitlets

>>12662018
You’ll get shoulder cancer from spending 12 hours in that thing

>>12661916

>>12662018
Is it effay?

>>12661209
Not (you), which is why others are so excited to go.

>>12661916
Aw man I feel bad for Bruno they're dogging him in public now

It looked to me that SN10 was more than close enough to get absolutely raped by shrapnel. Was it actually further away or what?

>>12662071
starship is a steel zeppelin
not sure if thin floppy sheets of steel pose that much of a threat when they quickly decelerate from drag after ejection
the COPVs are an issue, but i think the worst they can do is make a nice dent on SN10 that can be evened out with a hammer or two

haters gonna hate

>>12662071
The angles make it look really close, but if you find an aerial view you'll see they are much farther apart then it seems

>>12662085
You can see how clumsy the gloves are in this image, if the suit must be large it should be a hard suit, if you want it small it should be a counter pressure suit.
>but muh joints, muh joints muhfugga
They can supplement the joint areas with hard airtight sections, or simply use partial pressure inflatable joints, even like a fourth of an atmosphere of pressure would be more than necessary to prevent injury or discomfort.

All things considered, the explosion from starships are way smaller than what I would have expected. Do you get bigger explosions with hydrolox? Or RP1?

>>12662084
I mean nothing prevents that steel from becoming smaller, less draggy shrapnel right?

>>12662111
They aren't fully fueled

>>12662111
It’s empty... all that’s blowing up are the vapors filling the tanks

>>12662111
They’re still almost completely empty compared to how much propellant they’d be carrying for a real launch. A fully loaded SS/Superheavy stack would go up like a very small atomic bomb.

>>12662118
No it wouldn’t
They would need to premix the fuels to actually produce a bomb

>>12662115
>>12662116
>>12662118
Oh duh

>>12661017
It appears to have been a major malfunction.

>>12662111
There's barely any fuel, most of the boom comes from pressurized tanks popping

>>12661955
I don’t know why space suits can’t have hard points with rubbery joints. Can someone explain this to me?

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/02/on-eve-of-first-launch-firefly-revamps-board-of-directors-may-go-public/
Firefly may be going public too

>>12662155
Well you can’t use rubber or normal elastics because vacuum and high UV environments destroy it very quickly. Not instantly but your suit would have a very demanding maintenance turnover time.

>>12662158
Muh small sat grifters

>>12662158
Yeah they just reshuffled their board of directors

>>12662160
That's not why
>>12662155
Flexible joints do not keep constant volume with movement, so you end up working against forces of pressure inside the suit every time you try to move it from the default T-pose and it may vary from just being very tiring to physically impossible

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1356978442596720649
Inspiration4 Super Bowl ad

>>12662205
So it’s some charity grift?

>>12661315
I actually really like them, although every mockup i’ve seen from NASA has wildly different helmets. As long as they get the helmets to look good I will be okay with them. And they are 8/10 for functionality. The Apollo era suits were basically 2/10 for functionality.

>>12662221
nah, the real grift is getting people to sign up for that shop thing, but with enough charity thrown over top of it that nobody notices it's "sign up for my service for a raffle to go to space"

>>12662224
okay maybe they’re more like 6.5 or 7 / 10 for functionality. Not bad, but not perfect. NASA has a video of them testing it on a harness to simulate Lunar gravity and they still look like a pain in the ass to walk around in. But bending over and moving your arms has become much easier, which is most of the work you need to do anyways assuming you have a rover and your actual walking time will be minimum

>>12661017
My guess would be fuel inlet to the second engine.
If you watch it back you notice that as the two engines are supposed to reignite for a soft landing the second one only produces a small flame then stops. The fact it produced any flame suggests it was getting some fuel from the header tank so perhaps that engines corresponding turbo-pump failed to spin up to the required speeds or maybe the fuel wasn't even making into the pump.

Also Elon I know you browse /sci/, if I've guessed correctly you owe me a beer

>>12662234
the real improvement is the door in the back instead of being an actual suit which is 100% needed to avoid getting moon dust in everyone's lungs.

>>12661017
My guess would be fuel inlet to the second engine.
If you watch it back you notice that as the two engines are supposed to reignite for a soft landing one engine worked as planned but then the other one only produced a small flame then stopped. The fact it produced any flame suggests it was getting some fuel from the header tank so perhaps that engines corresponding turbo-pump failed to spin up to the required speeds or maybe the fuel wasn't even making into the pump.

Also Elon I know you browse /sci/, if I've guessed correctly you owe me a beer

>>12662245
Also a good point. I would love to see NASA contract for a modified cybertruck with a hatchback, and suits hanging off the back. You wouldn’t even need to take your suits indoors and risk dying of razor blade regolith to the esophagus

>>12662155
because these joins stiffen up in vacuum, like a car or bicycle tire gets harder as you pump air in it
you don't actually need all that much pressure, but enough to make moving around in it a real pain in the ass for more than a few minutes

try taping bike tire inner tubes pumped to 1 bar to your legs and go for a 1 mile run, see how it feels like

nothing wrong with inhaling a little moon dust now and then, you low t basedboys

>>12662261
Ahh yes, the Couch-to-cost-plus exercise program

>>12662261
Try like a quarter bar and your relative weight is a third of normal, it wouldn’t be so bad. It’s not like a Mars colony is going to be build by hand, for all seriously hard work (terrain moving, heavy lifting, transportation, habitat moving, etc) is going to be done by machines piloted by humans, as is the case on earth. A hard suit or counter pressure suit with low partial pressure joints is not going to cripple you. You could also use a tiny reservoir like the size of those tiny CO2 cartridges and a valve to keep the joint at constant pressure, as you bend and pressure rises the air is pressed into the reservoir allowing the joint to collapse without pressurizing excessively, the drop in pressure as you straighten then reverses this process.

>>12660967
has anything musk launched sofar not blown up?

>>12662304
Starhopper, SN5, SN6, all crew Dragon flights.
Faggot. Don't ever post in my presence again.

>spacex workers are cleaning their shit

>Starship explodes
>WE'RE GOING TO MAAAAAAAAARS

>>12662307
>Starhopper, SN5, SN6, all crew Dragon flights.
they all still "re-usable" like the advertising reckons?
or, musk not sure about his Russian roulette chances?

>>12662307
he gotten anyone dead yet?

>suits are barely usable at all
But I thought you just need to put one guy on the surface of Mars and he'll do 10 times the work all rovers combined did? Ez gg no re?

>>12662324
The Falcons? Yes. Don't tell me you're so dumb you thought the test articles were reusable spaceships, that would make us all laugh and mock you anon.
>>12662327
Nobody important
>>12662330
>he's too weak to make a pressure suit work for him
I'm lmaoing at you from outside my capsule (I can't get back in please help)

>>12662330
Yes. Seriously. Even if it's cumbersome as hell, it at least actually seems capable of doing work that takes a river years in mere hours.

>>12660967
why does musk's stuff keep blowing up?

Why didn't the Soviets (or the US for that matter) use two launches to get to the Moon? Why couldn't they just launch the lander first, then have the their command capsule meet in LEO, then send the whole thing to the Moon and back? You could probably even rig up a way to refuel the the CM from the Lander's second stage if you leave it attached to the lander until the meetup, allowing extra fuel/deltaV tolerance.

>>12661916
The fact that Tory would at all engage with this memeary at all is hilarious.

>>12662333
>I'm lmaoing at you from outside my capsule (I can't get back in please help)

>>12662333
why would I take an interest in chemical rocket garbage.
musk is spending how much to develop and achieve a thing already done 50 years ago.
You can't possibly tell me you're actually impressed.

>>12662337
that thing looks aesthetic

>>12660967
I miss the kino sight. There better be some timelapse video of the flight day out there.

>>12662347
It's smol tho.

>>12662233
Love to see how much those people were paying themselves in salaries lol

>>12662337
Docking was pretty fucking dicey back then, the auto docking mod from KSP is probably more reliable than the combination of ultra primitive computers and “just eyeball it bro, we put a crosshair in the window” that was used at the time.
These days it does make a lot more sense to assemble much larger composite vehicles in LEO.

>>12662346
>"Hey /sfg/ why would I take an interest in rockets, hmm?!"
Good point, leave

>>12662359
well I won't be leaving on a musk rocket, thats for sure; those fuckas tend to blow up!!

Hopefully this little stunt will make elon crack down on the raptor dev team. Literally didnt even light the second engine. Raptor reliability on display

>>12662337
Soviets planned similarly and Soyuz did successfully dock unmanned units in orbit, but they couldn't stick to one plan.
> In August 1964 the Soviet leadership finally decided to take on the Americans' Apollo project with full-fledged manned lunar counterparts. But instead of Korolev's 7K/9K/11K circumlunar design, they asked competing Chief Designer Chelomei to design a new LK-1 manned circumlunar spacecraft, to be sent around the moon on a single launch of his UR-500K Proton booster. Korolev was assigned to use derivatives of his Soyuz spacecraft and N1 booster to create a single-launch manned lunar landing. The Soyuz A was not cancelled, but now became important in developing the necessary rendezvous, docking, and spacewalking techniques needed for the selected lunar orbit rendezvous landing scenario. Korolev however believed that developing two manned lunar spacecraft in parallel was madness and he continued to secretly consider ways of using Soyuz for the circumlunar mssion.

>>12662357
I mean, you're going to have to dock the same number of times though. Once in LEO (which the US had to do anyways, not sure if the Soviet N1 design was similar) and then again in LLO for the return trip.

>just eyeball it bro
lol

>>12662361
Well what do you plan on leaving in then, Isaac AWthor?

>>12662362
I'd bet more money then I made on GME that the issue was the header tank feed lines rather then the raptors themselves.

>>12662368
the future will be craft using positron propulsion for in atmosphere lift off, bro.

>>12662374
Explain, and without the autistic furfag speech impediment.

>>12662374
>>12662386
>no reply
BOOM. Us chemiCHADS actually have results over rhetoric. We just can't stop winning.

I fucking hate political extremists who do everything to demonize rocket development.

>>12662304
What is a gross majority of the Falcon9 boosters? Seriously, what kind of a dumb question is tha...
Ah, its a fucking tourist, go back to your shithole

Musk is going to jail for this explosion, isn't he?

>>12662337
Orbital rendezvous was considered too difficult and risky. And it was. The soviets in particular had troubles with it for quite a while. The apollo design (separate lander) was fundamentally a high-risk gamble because they had no time to do the NOVA rocket before the end of the decade.

>>12662424
Most certainly. The future is Blue my friends.

>>12662371
Issue is still with keeping reliable pressure to all raptors. Gravity usually keeps fuel on the bottom of the tank. One raptor relit because it was able to get plenty of fuel.
The second raptor that tried and couldn't quite make it simply wasn't getting the fuel it needed to hit critical combustion limits.

>>12662431
If I remember correctly, Buzz was one of the firsts to actually write a thesis on orbital rendezvous and possibly docking? Must have been cool to experience all of that in action after studying it for so long

>>12662431
>Orbital rendezvous was considered too difficult and risky. And it was.
Then how was the US able to do it multiple times with only minor difficulties during the Gemini program? They were confident enough to do orbital rendezvous around the fucking Moon on the first attempt as well. It just seems like the difficulties in orbital rendezvous were (and are) far less than the difficulties in building a rocket big enough to single launch a moon landing system.

>>12660967

>>12662419
>#realproblemsfirst

>>12662438
In fact his specialization was one of the main reasons he was picked.

>>12662446
look at how they massacred my boy

>>12662446
>that hopper on the lower left
>"You are next."

>>12662439
Depends on what you want to do, for flags and footprints it would be a lot easier and more economical to use smaller rockets to assemble a small Apollo style vehicle in LEO, but for giant projects like a million person Mars colony, Oniell cylinder, Jupiter mission, etc you need a larger scale of rocket, and there as well it’s impractical to use giant single launch rockets, you need giant reusable rockets.

>>12662439
Well they launched the CSM with the lander so they were able to just do a 180 and attempt to dock (which, by the way, was easier said than done. One of the Apollo missions had huge troubles docking and had to do it multiple times). What I find absolutely batshit crazy is how they were confident enough to attempt taking off from the Moon and docking with the CSM in orbit. But that was really the only thing they could do. THAT was the biggest leap of faith in the whole program besides getting the Saturn V built and working

>>12661576
Hey fren, I’m former SpaceX as well. Would definitely like to talk to you about what you’re working on now.

I was former falcon welding before I went to launch integration on crew dragon

>>12662454
Orbital rendezvous is easy...
you don’t even need to time anything, just match orbits and slowly close together

>>12662446
is this.... FUCK YOU

>>12662454
>One of the Apollo missions had huge troubles docking and had to do it multiple times
I have that VR Apollo 11 game where you can attempt manually docking the CM to the LM and it's hard as fuck. The eyepiece thing only seems to work until the last few seconds and then it's basically useless and you just have to go on instinct. Also it's really easy to over-correct. I think the thing KSP gets wrong on docking is that the last couple seconds are actually the most difficult.

>>12662446
Musk got a bit too cocky parking SNX right next to the landing zone.
Imagine the headlines if SNIX took out another Starship in an explosion. It definitely got hit by debris and will need inspection.

>>12662471
Doesn’t need an inspection, just have to fill it and see if it leaks

>>12662419
Why? They're easy to dispute.

>>12662446
>>12662466
Oh god

>>12662446
You're not wrong.

We will never left this fucking planet.

When will Musk stop wasting money on those rockets? It won't ever work anyway.

>>12662436
I wonder if it would be worth building a large scale test platform of it. Like just the header internals on a huge hinge.

he sounds kinda weird in this video
scott manley

https://youtu.be/zwZl6YV3xYA

>>12662471

>>12662482
I can't believe Biden personally crashed SN9

>>12662386
>>12662402
positron propulsion.
its a thing, look it up.
>I was busy.

if you don't know what positron propulsion is, then you're obviously a dumbshit shit teenager who watches cartoons.

>>12662422
wow, retarded teenagers masturbating over a loser trying to achieve something boomers got bored with 50 years ago.

>>12662485
I probably would have if it were my rocket project, but so long as the Starship prototypes stay cheap (especially if FAA reforms to allow faster timescales) it might be better to continue with the iterative design and yeet entire prototypes till you get a working vehicle. That has the benefits of finding other problems along the way.

>>12662494
Based, people are about to reply to you with entire essays on why they love Musk

>>12662491
>>12662494
Anon what are you trying to do

>>12662494
Behold, the boomer rocket

>>12662506
>>12662501
musk will never reach Mars.

>>12662506
https://youtu.be/XSwxO95nEZE

>>12662509
Ok

>27.3% satellites orbiting earth are of SpaceX starlink's mission and still only launched 946 satellites. The plan is to send 40,000 satellites.

>>12662514
Haulin' ass. Looks like kerbal space program when you fuck up your staging

>>12662486
>clearly something on fire in the rocket
Prolly blew a turbo pump

>>12662519
Cube sats are not real sats

>>12662519
>stuffin.space still don't have a "Starlink" group

>>12662527
pretty much every flight test they've done has had some random fires in and around the engines

>>12662535
No, Starlink is smallsat, nearly 300kg per satellite.

>>12662519
they're very small. The number of moving objects in space isn't a problem as long as we know where they are all. It's the stuff we lose track of or never knew about in the first place that's a problem.

>>12662486
https://youtu.be/Jnesg0s2E3A

Pls don’t derail this thread with your dumb /pol/ takes. I just want to spread this news. This is good for Artemis

>>12661755
>LandSpace
I don't know why but all these chinese rocket start ups have completely different names in english and chinese. Of course all the english names completely off spacex.
The chinese name of landspace is blue arrow, which sounds a lot better if you ask me. Don't know why they don't for that besides a complete lack of understanding of the english market.

>>12662586
Blue origin needs more gibs

>>12662561
you do know a flake of paint can crack a window?
https://bigthink.com/natalie-shoemaker/astronaut-notices-crack-in-space-station-window-takes-a-picture

>>12662592
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Hopefully they will only go with one company. In that case I feel like Dynetics has a higher chance. But I could see them going with Blue O-ring anyways just to keep the contracts flowing

Hmmmm... I wonder what this could mean?
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1357012409542705152
And just what does this human landing system entail?
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-names-companies-to-develop-human-landers-for-artemis-moon-missions
Huh, I wonder could one of these human landing systems have been tested the day before this announcement came out? HMMMMM....

>>12662586
I'll reserve my joy until after we see how that money is distributed.

>>12662166
Firefly actually has plans beyond the smallsat market. They're gonna try going up against the falcon 9 with their next rocket.

>>12662594
Oh no! not a hekkin 1 mm chip on my 1-ft thick windows AAAAAHHHHHHHH

>>12662538
That's what I'm most concerned about. Raptors need to be boringly reliable to hit SpaceX reuse targets.

>>12662604
so what does a metal screw do?

>>12662586
Interesting and great news. Doomers need not apply.

>>12662538
There was a lot of smoke coming from the engine section during SN9 descent, it wasn't the case for SN8. If I had to guess I would say that the problem which prevented the relight appeared before the relighting itself.

>>12662604
>1-ft thick windows
the ISS windows each have 4 panes of glass ranging from 1/2 to 1-1/4 inches thick.

>>12662611
Cracks the window? Just put duct tape over it. It won't explosively decompress your spacecraft even if smashed the window up pretty bad. You are pretty screwed if it hits your fuel tank section or engine though.

>>12662374
>company around for 4 years, still only 3 employees and they're all PHDs
>approaching the ESA
dead in the water

>>12662626
I saw their blueprints.
they deserved it

>>12662623
>Just put duct tape over it. It won't explosively decompress your spacecraft even if smashed the window up pretty bad.
how do you put duct tape over a smashed window if your dying from asphyxiation?

>>12662635
Don’t have glass windows, problem solved

>>12662635
Quickly

>>12662491
>if you don't know what positron propulsion is
Everyone on /sfg/ knows what that joke of an idea is, in fact, a few of us were laughing at it as well as nuclear photonic rockets and antimatter rockets a few threads back. Don't come back here and don't post until your IQ reaches triple digits

>>12662641
touche

>>12662635
Why would they be asphyxiating from a tiny crack in the window?

>>12662586
>robust funding
'ere we go

>>12662635
Nimrod, it doesn't smash like a car door window into a million little pieces. Windows in aerospace have multiple layers and are designed to a) break up the energy a la whipple shielding, and b) cohesively break and spread the cracks like a windshield while staying mostly together.

>>12662641
t. Sierra Nevada Corporation

>>12662648
it can't be unseen

>>12662644
>as nuclear photonic rockets and antimatter rockets
this the type of dumb shit you teenagers came up with?

>>12662651
Just have cameras and screens that act like windows

>>12662657
t. unashamed newfag

>>12662649
but it was a toolbox of spanners, pliers, screwdrivers and a drill, bro.

>>12662661
t. dumbshit teenagers who can't get to the moon yet.

>>12662657
You must go back
>>12662660
Would you not get screwed over with increased solar activity or radiation? Would suck if you got EMP'd by nature and couldn't see anymore because your cameras got fried. Then again, it it's all automated you don't really need windows aside from psychological benefits

>tfw you will never develop a tan from a thousand different stars
>tfw you will never hold a several ton rock over your head on the surface of an asteroid pretending to be Atlas
>tfw you will never see the densely packed night sky of a planet in the galactic core of the Triangulum Galaxy
>tfw you will never socialize with ayy lmaos

>>12662666
Yeah then you might be fucked lol. My original comment about the 1mm paint chip was just a low effort troll I guess. I understand that anything larger than a paint chip but smaller than a cubesat is a problem because it's too small to be tracked, but big enough to destroy your ship. And debris is only going to increase as cash-grab companies and oldspace continue to litter LEO with garbage

>>12662666
Stop throwing shit at ISS windows, Satan.

>>12662673
>You must go back
I'll get there long before you, m8.

>>12662685
Psssshh hahahaha good! I'm not even going

>>12662684
>Satan
and a bibletard...

https://twitter.com/BocaChicaGal/status/1357015851585658884
RIP SN5

>>12662683
>litter LEO with garbage
Just force UN to pass a resolution to excommunicate or ideally nuke anyone who does this.

>>12662694
Stop being this new.

>>12662695
RiPiP in piss

What is the sluttiest spacecraft ever made?

>>12662685
Good grief at least lurk more before diving head first into responding to things you don’t even understand.

>>12662694
Go back.

>>12662697
>UN
Those lazy bureaucrats have no power and I don't want to even entertain them with the idea that they have any

>>12662697
>International bureaucrats
How about NO

>>12662670
>>12662694
You really should stop posting on this site, you look like an absolute moron.

>>12662701
I kinda dislike that stuff. It's like skinning a human and giving it a blush. All ships are naked minus paint.

>>12662702
>poker face.
stick with chemical rockets.
childrens toys are more your level.

>>12662694
Again, go back

>>12662716
You wouldn't fuck a skinless woman???

>>12662697
>Stop being this new.
then then its your schizophrenia playing up.
ok.

>>12662723
How did you even manage to solve the captcha

>>12662708
jeez, if you're this lacking in vocabulary then I won't strain your brain with any big words.

>>12662728
Who told him how quoting works?

>>12662715
must be sad when others dis on musk considering the number of times you've masturbated on pictures of him.

>This thread

>>12662701
Who needs legs when you can land on the engine bell

>>12662694
You're in the wrong neighborhood friend

>>12662717
careful, you'll bust a nut, again.

>>12662491
I don't even really know what you're talking about, but even I can see what a joke that idea is. Please leave. Like what the fuck even are you going for? And why the duck are you calling dissenters teenagers of all things? Are you an underage plebbitor trying to sound like a boomer?

>>12662728
>>12662732
lmao, all underage faggots.

>>12662744
>duck
Well DUCK me in the ass, this autocorrect shit makes mobilefaggig a tad bit more annoying than it really needs to be.

>>12662744
>I don't even really know what you're talking about,
obviously not.
you still play with dolls.

>>12662747
You're definitely a newfag. Vamoose, BITCH.

Can we not have dumb arguments unless they're arguments directly about spaceflight?

>>12662753
Wait, your mother's tits are called dolls? What a fucked up family, and I thought producing you was enough of a disaster. SCRAMBLE, two digiter.

>>12662586
The author of the letter is from Washington, and both senators from each of Colorado and Maryland signed it too. I don't remember which Washington senator it was, but whoever it was, she seemed pretty staunch about the lander being built in Washington (ie. national team). Lockheed has a major space facility in Colorado and is headquartered in Maryland. Overall this seems like a good thing, but I can't help but think that some of them are pulling for the National Team.

>>12662739
Science is liberal and atheist.

>>12662710
>>12662712
What potential solutions do you have in mind?

>>12662739
Blessed image
>>12662736
Close the windows Ivan, we are approaching critical levels of dumbasses all around

>>12662754
yeh, you're like 15yo

>>12662759
>your mother's tits
having sex with someone 10 years deceased.
you're a sick fucka.

>>12662762
Hm. I don't know if I have one. I wasn't trying to call you a dumbass or anything; just trying to express my hate for the UN in general. Perhaps getting to space should require a license like flying a plane or driving a car, and that license should include "no space debris, or minimal debris that will deorbit within X days".

>>12662758
Not so long as one bored retard keeps dumping low-effort shitposts itt.

>>12662761
Most Reddit post I've seen in 30 minutes. Science doesn't have opinions.

>>12662764
>>12662773
You're not really a nigger either. Just fuck off back to plebbit and whore yourself out for some meme points about how you fought "le evil 4chan nutzie chuds".

>>12662762
Debris garbage trawlers

>>12662739
I thought USA was headed for civil war.
please tell me you're not American.
you're not buying into that BLM shit.

>it's another "no bait is too low effort to trigger /sfg/" episode

>>12662780
so you're actually 14 years old.
my mistake.

>>12662791
>post stupid shit
>"hey that shit is stupid"
>HAHA LE EBIN TROLL I GOT YOU
Someone post the comic, it's like 15 years old

>>12662776
then don't respond back, you do post like a 14 year old.
you're not helping.

>>12662791
Kek, everytime
Also for anyone who hasn't seen it and once to get back on topic: https://spacenews.com/astra-to-go-public-through-merger-with-spac/