/sci/ - Science & Math

Finally science caught up to my teenage musings.

>is our theory wrong? nah, it's the universe that's wrong

>>12654080
Just 30 years after the fall of materialism science has become overran with idealist thinking.

>>12654006
Stop being a retard who thinks the media accurately reports on scientific discoveries. $100 bet that this is a quotemine.

>>12654148
In our western immaterialite world you said not what you said, but what people believe you said. Such is the nature of idealist educations.

>>12654006
Time to embrace religion /sci/

>>12654214
Based! Faith without reason is dumb. Atheism is a disease. Reasoned faith is consciousness.

>>12654006
>Our theory is wrong?
>NOO. NOT MY HECKING THEORINO.
>It'S THe UnIvERSe's FAuLt

>>12654006
Here, fixed it for you, OP.

>>12654325

>find inconsistency in an incomplete model of reality
>rEaLiTy iS bRoKeN!!!!!!

>>12654006
This is your mind on materialism.

>>12654006
How long before he realizes observation directly contradicts this theory?

>>12654470
I blame the journalist.

>>12654006
>Our model is complete garbage.
>Let’s “fine” tune.
>Einstein was right. Next to nothing beyond our solar system fits, but we just call the huge margin, by which it’s off, fancy names like dark matter or dark energy. Nobody will notice.

can I just show up there and start doing stuff

>>12654148
>not knowing the matter–antimatter asymmetry problem
kek

>>12654352
>an incomplete model of reality
There will never be a complete model of reality

>>12654006
Due to the theoretical model that i just seem to think is scientific law it would seem that the universe isn't real. now don't tell me to just stop using said theory and the four fundamental forces because nobody has every used them to create a grand unified theory.
FUCKING LMAO! science is leading the way for the benefit of all humanity. holy crap what a fucking joke.

>>12654214
>reasoned faith
Oxymoron

>>12654080
lmao. this. rather then understand the tests and results are proving that your theoretical model isn't true you still cling to it rather then listen to what the universe is telling you... which is the correct thing to actually do. theoretical models aren't the fucking bible.

>>12654826
>being this illiterate
KEK

>>12654148
>One of the great mysteries of modern physics is why antimatter did not destroy the universe at the beginning of time.

>To explain it, physicists suppose there must be some difference between matter and antimatter – apart from electric charge. Whatever that difference is, it’s not in their magnetism, it seems.

>Physicists at CERN in Switzerland have made the most precise measurement ever of the magnetic moment of an anti-proton – a number that measures how a particle reacts to magnetic force – and found it to be exactly the same as that of the proton but with opposite sign. The work is described in Nature.

>“All of our observations find a complete symmetry between matter and antimatter, which is why the universe should not actually exist,” says Christian Smorra, a physicist at CERN’s Baryon–Antibaryon Symmetry Experiment (BASE) collaboration. “An asymmetry must exist here somewhere but we simply do not understand where the difference is.”

>>12654826
i have faith in my reasoning that reasoned faith is wrong.

>>12654893
To explain it, physicists suppose there must be some difference between matter and antimatter – apart from electric charge. Whatever that difference is, it’s not in their magnetism, it seems.

here let me save you a bunch of time and tell you the answer. it's dark matter.

>>12654893
>The universe’s greatest game of spot the difference goes on. The next hotly anticipated experiment is over at ALPHA, where CERN scientists are studying the effect of gravity of antimatter – trying to answer the question of whether antimatter might fall ‘up’.

AG crafts soon

>>12654901
yours for a billion dollars and your left nut.

>>12654894
What's your reasoning?

>>12654907
it was a overly complicated paradoxical joke. move along nothing here.

>>12654906
Worth it. Literally some billionaire would do it just to blast around Monaco or the like wipeout style.

>>12654006
>CERN
I thought that was a fictional company from Stein's Gate

>>12654006
They always say that when their machine breaks, or provides results they cant predict. Its the equivalent to a cringy brat shouting "i wish i was never born". doesnt change the fact that they are still around and exist

>>12655529
Faggot with aids

I'm going to use this next dyno day at the car club

>announce my WRX is making 500hp
>anon... the machine says 300hp at the wheels
>ah yes well you see it also makes an unmeasurable 200 "dark horsepower" that can't be detected by anyone. that means I'm still right and my claim isn't bullshit

>>12654897
I thing Dark matter is just black holes.
The answer you're looking for is dark energy

>>12654807
i have a complete model of reality. the celestial sphere rotates around me daily. the sun warms us, the clouds bring rain, the rain grows the crops. this is my universe, and it explains everything that i ask it.

>>12654080
THIS omfg. What is this kike agenda trying to make uis believe evertything doesn't exist anyway.

>>12654006
They must have exposed their advanced AI to 4chan. After 10 years here I can say with conviction that this universe shouldn't exist.

>>12654901
>CERN scientists are studying the effect of gravity of antimatter – trying to answer the question of whether antimatter might fall ‘up’.
Accelerate positron in a perfectly-leveled cheaper linear-accelerator into another perfectly-leveled vacuum corridor with detectors on all 4 sides..

Have they not already done this?

>>12654148
Only correct post in this thread. Rest is reddit tier bullshit.

>>12655653
OR forget the detectors & just accelerate streams of positrons then have work-for-the-dole neets look for the scorch marks

>>12654893
Thr standard model predicts no asymmetry in the magnetic moment of proton and antiproton. They were just checking shit.

The theory says the universe cannot exist under the measured circumstances. However, the universe exists, as is observable by anyone. Cogito ergo sum.
This leaves two realistic possibilities.
-The measurements are wrong.
-The theory is wrong.
/thread, no need to write a popsci article.

>>12654006
since when were clickbait article headlines science?

>>12654080
>>12654832
>>12655620
>falling for a clickbait article

>>12654006
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
>After its initial expansion, the universe cooled sufficiently to allow the formation of subatomic particles, and later atoms. Giant clouds of these primordial elements – mostly hydrogen, with some helium and lithium – later coalesced through gravity, forming early stars and galaxies, the descendants of which are visible today. Besides these primordial building materials.

Early universe filled with heat & "gamma?" in an expanding universe will eventually....
cool enough to turn this energy into particles & atoms?
so we can artificially recreate this in a box & make new matter?
it does this automatically?

>>12655831
The measurements have been reproduced, thus the theory is obviously wrong, so we'll just put out theory 2.0, which is the same theory but "renormalized" around the error to give the measurement. Then we'll call it a day, and wonder about what it all means, like woah dude the universe is so mysterious...
Generating popsci articles is all physics is good for these days.

>>12655831
we know the theory is wrong, because we have singularities everywhere. Fucking perturbation theory should converge but it doesn’t and we don’t even know if it’s a numerical artifact or a problem with the physics. The point is trying to find WHERE we are wrong.

>>12655869
current theory is spontanteous symmetry braking at decreasing temperature. Yes, you should be able to create particles with enough energy.

>>12655875
>MIND-BLOWN<

>>12655653
>>12655709
The absolute state of /sci/. Do you have any idea what the difference in magnitude is between graviational and electromagnetic forces? It's 36. The EM forces you want to use to accelerate your particles are 10^36 times as strong as what you want to measure. Now does it make sense that ALPHA wants to use electrically neutral antihydrogen?

>>12654006
Simulation theory confirmed

>>12654826
read kierkeggard

>>12656250
>NOOOOOO!! ITS IMPOSSIBLE!!
whats the big diff between electrons & positrons?
Ask these guys to do it....
SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAC_National_Accelerator_Laboratory

>>12654826
This. Religion is just a long and complex form of cope

>>12654148

>>12656340
I wish all media got nuked

>>12656318
Atheism is a religion, worshipping the cult of "science and reason".

>>12656356
Were I mention atheism in my post, you cuckcristian?

In the problem of matter/antimatter symmetry, the answer lies yet again in the antrhopic principle.
We can only witness an antisymmetrical universe, because we can only exist in one. So even though the existence of a universe like we observe is highly unlikely, at the same time we are bound to find it the way it is.
So we can just assume that some type of statistical anomaly made it such that there is a lot of regular matter in our observable universe. Most likely, far outside our observable universe we can expect there to exist an antimatter universe.

>>12656417
ponders if the Boötes void was....
>antimatter pocket<

>>12656312
What are you even talking about? We're talking about measuing the effects of gravity on antimatter. How exactly do you propose they do this?
>inb4
Determining mass is NOT what we're talking about.
The big diff is how you obtain them

>>12655571
Opposite
It would be like the machine is saying it's 500hp, all evidence points to it being 500hp, but you're only inputting the energy for 300hp if you ignore the math that says there's going to be 200hp of dark hp too.

>>12656484
This.
Dark energy isn't something that was thought up out of the blue. When we consider all things we know about the universe we can only conclude that certain things are missing from our model, ergo dark energy and dark matter.

>>12656463
>We're talking about measuing the effects of gravity on antimatter
I thought we were trying to see if antimatter-bits (positrons) are >>12654901 gonna fall up.

Why would positrons behave different to antimatter?
Do electrons behave different to matter?

>>12656509
I think you're not considering a bunch of important factors.
Take your image of mass spectrometry. It uses an electromagnetic field and determines charge/mass ratios by fixing that component of the interaction (reasonably well) and letting small differences of mass affect the trajectory. It's not gravity that's causing the bulk of the deflection.
In your experimental setup, you would have to have an EM accelerator and then a vacuum chamber COMPLETELY SHIELDED from EM, due to the difference in magnitude of the forces you're testing for.
The point is, in the same setup, electron WOULDN'T fall down. Surely they do theoretically, but their charge has a way bigger effect and makes them fall anywhere (in terms of the detector.)

>>12656302
read camus

>>12654006
Read the structure of scientific revolutions by Thomas S Kuhn. The current theory will not be replaced until a better one is available, even if we know the current theory is flawed.

>>12656705
>I think you're not considering a bunch of important factors.
and here we go....

>Take your image of mass spectrometry. It uses an electromagnetic field and determines charge/mass ratios by fixing that component of the interaction (reasonably well) and letting small differences of mass affect the trajectory. It's not gravity that's causing the bulk of the deflection.
nope, its just an pretty picture of an unmarked box, bro.
ya got any more problems?

>In your experimental setup, you would have to have an EM accelerator and then a vacuum chamber COMPLETELY SHIELDED from EM, due to the difference in magnitude of the forces you're testing for.
>The point is, in the same setup, electron WOULDN'T fall down. Surely they do theoretically, but their charge has a way bigger effect and makes them fall anywhere (in terms of the detector.)
>"EM," bro.... FUCKN "EM" I TELLS YA!!! ITS ALL FUCKN "EM!!! FARK WE'RE ROOOOTED, BRO!!
>"EM," bro.... FUCKN "EM" I TELLS YA!!! ITS ALL FUCKN "EM!!! FARK WE'RE ROOOOTED, BRO!!
So you haven't yet realized both electrons and positrons are electrostatic charged particles?
You've never studied Cathode-Ray-Oscilloscopes that use electrostatic-deflector plates for the electron-beam deflection?

use electro-statics, numb-nuts!!

>Equations not balancing out?
>Just introduce an imaginary dark constant to make things work!
>NOW you're thinking like a physicist!

>>12656361
Typical coward, you would be begging for your life whenever slightly threatened, while the Christ went to the cross.
Stop lying to yourself and mindlessly hating others.

this thread is filled with retards who think that science = science journalism

>>12656714
OP probably doesn't believe in science, like most of the retards on this board who say that sciene is "just a religion"

>>12656897
*tips*

>>12656839

>>12657365
This is just a retarded overly complicated way of phrasing Anselms onthological argument. It was debunked in the 11th century by Gaunilo of Marmoutiers. You can apply this reasoning to anyhting if you presume that it has "all positive properties".
For example: I know of an Island which is perfect, where you get infinite money and such. Don't believe me? It must exist because it's perfect!
Included within the axiom D1, we already assume the existance of god using a logical slight of hand. So this reasoning is circular.

>>12654080

113iq me thinks this is inline with everything being fundamentally binary because it makes sense to me.

>>12654080
>scientist: our model predicts that the universe shouldn't exists so it's clearly incomplete or wrong
>journalist: OMG the universe shouldn't exists, says esteemed man of science

>>12654006
>science=science journalism
>implying

>>12657923
Kek nice work anon.

>>12654006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdDNfTREQJU

>>12654006
http://immortality-roadmap.com/universeorigin7.pdf

>>12654006
The realization that there are pseuds on this board with more scientific mindset than those with access to peer review publication in respectable journals.

>>12654006
couldn't all the anti-matter and matter be unevenly distributed, such that the majority of anti-matter is simply outside of the scope of our measurement capabilities?

yeah in the grand scheme of my fucking table, the entire universe is made of wood and veneer.

>>12657051
Listen here you little shit, dark matter and energy make the equations align with reality, we make no commentary on whether they actually physically exist or are just errors in the model that need correcting.
>>12656839
That goes for you too.

>>12656417
God here. Your* on the right path.
*not a mistake

>>12654762
only if you are black or a woman

>tfw you used to think zero didn't exist
>now you realize it's the only thing that exists

>>12662878
>tfw you realize 0 looks like a booba

>>12662825
It's the second one you stupid nigger

>>12654080
Post-modern science in a nutshell.

>>12662899
Almost certainly, but the whole fucking point is that we don't technically know that yet, because no one's made a model that accounts for the discrepancy, nor has anyone gone to/looked at the outermost reaches of the galaxy to prove there's nothing actually there.

>>12654106
Simulation and Rube Goldberg machine worldviews are too weak.

Panpsychism is the future. Praise the sun!

>>12654214
Fuck off religion is cucked develop your own spirituality or forever be a slave to the will of others

>>12654214
>YES CHURCH PLEASE FUCK MY ASS

>>12656897
All knowledge is based on faith in other's testimony, authority and trust in your own senses, humans are not objective obversers. Civilization is an theocracy that's held together by grit and faith in the narrative of humanity presented, always has been. Sometimes we're more or less self-aware about the game we decided to play with each other and nature.

I suppose science is an improvised religion in the faith in the human spirit to make the universe intelligible with our own rituals & clergy in doing so.

>>12656318
Literally everything that prevents you from roping at the first sign of struggle is a cope.