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>>12647611First NSF thread where Starhopper appears>https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=46406.340
>>12647611
Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong.
Scenerio: It's 2009 and President Obama appoints you NASA administrator. You're given $250 billion and 10 years to build a super-heavy lift vehicle using Shuttle-derived technology. Using the vehicle, you must design a series of Moon missions that end with a permanent Lunar base. What kind of vehicle and mission profile would you create?
>>126476792 stage rocket F-1Bs on first stage RS-25s on second No SRBs required
>>12647679I would pocket the money and contract out to boeing so everyone gets paid and we can always ask for more money with absolutely no result. Good idea? Could I get away with it?
>>12647679SPEND IT ALL ON JWST!!!!
>>12647679also take all your most skilled engineering staff an make them devote themselves to JWST at the expense of all other initiatives
>>12647683Any reusabilty? Maybe a flyback first stage?
>>12647689>>12647692Based and JWSTpilled. With that kind of budget, it'd be sure to launch by no later than 2050.
>>12647679Taller larger diameter first stage, outer ring of ~8 RS-25s which drop into the sea in a stage-and-a-half configuration.
>>12647695>tfw starship will never sit on your faceWhy keep living?
gonna be insane watching something larger than the Saturn V yeet itself off the pad
>>12647679Literally just Shuttle C and Commercial Crew.
>>12647751So Energia but worse?
>>12647679Scrap everything that isn't commercial crew and JPL. Announce NASA is getting out of the rocket building game as private contractors are more efficient. Offer the 250 billion as a prize for the first private company to demonstrate heavy lift capability.
>>12647679>>12647751Shuttle-C all the way. Flies by 2014 too
>>12647749>The Starship does not like being on Earth>Observe, as it gets away as quickly as possible
>>12647695Mexican welders. In a field.
>>12647766ITAR
>>12647679I absorb the money using my massive oldspace balls and then ask for more
>>12647679This >>12647683Especially if I have carte blanche to organize the specifics of contracts. For starters all contracts at every step of the program are only pay on delivery with required performance metrics and timelines outlined long in advance. The rocket will be:16/14x75m first stage booster running 8xF1-B engines, Pyrios booster program absorbed immediately alongside some companies knowledgeable in 3D design, complex modeling and the most modern machining techniques to ensure engines are cheap, fast to build, reliable and optimized.Inexpensive stainless steel will be chosen for the body of the booster after a study indicates it's excellent performance at cryogenic temperatures, the ease at which it can be worked, and it's extraordinarily competitive cost per kg. It is decided that due to the immense wet mass of the rocket that a small sacrifice of dry mass by using steel is worth it's other benefits.As early as possible a contract will be placed to create the world's largest dishing press to create bulkheads for the rocket. The upper stage will be a 14/12x50m running 4 or 6 RS-25X SSME derived engines, these will be complete remodernizations of the RS-25 build to meet or exceed the RS-25 in every metric while vastly simplifying and economizing it in every possible way. To ensure that some viable second stage engine is sure to arise, I will pit P&W Rocketdyne against industry upstart and newcomer SpaceX and their ambitious but still unrealized Raptor engine no-bid-contract race to deliver me a powerful, economical, and reliable engine. The intended payload for this rocket will start at 200mT with two planned steps for uprating to 225 and then 250mT. Both stages will use forms of SMART to recover their completely intact thrust structure and engines, while the cheap stainless steel tanks may be discarded without undue financial pains.
>>12647788you need to pay off the Utah senators though
>>12647795If I have 250BN dollars I'll literally pay them to fuck off, the rocket itself will be cheap compared to the politics anyways.
>>12647800yeah that's what I was thinking, just pay them to build and test SRB technology off on their own
>>12647571that's woods170, he's an insiderif he's militant against something it's because it's true
>>12647749>1.5 T/W is fastwhat's the typical ratio?
>>126478191.3, the Saturn V was even slower
>>126478191.1 to 1.2
>>1264775980% of the capability of SLS for 20% of the development cost. If Congress won't let me build the Saturn V clone NASA had pitted against the SLS team, I might as well make do.
>>12647749What other rockets would have similarly high T/W ratios? ICBM derivatives like Titan?
>>12647804Basically, I'll just give them fixed ten year contracts to keep their employees happy for the development cycle, with some excuse as to why it doesn't seem like the Jupiter rocket will be using any of it. "Oh well we're still strongly considering SRBs to further uprate the payload in the future, don't sweat it, here's your cut of the budget pie." Even if the development was ten times as inefficient as Starship/Superheavy's is projected to be, that's still only like 40BN, almost all of it can be used to expedite things which would normally be sluggish, eliminate bureaucratic roadblocks, drum up public support, etc. Carve out another 20BN for habitat development, a completely new space suit, flight suit, etc, and that's 190BN left to throw around. I'd be aiming to cut launch cost to a third of the Saturn V, so about 400 mil a shot, so another five billion off the top to pay for the first dozen launches, and reflights will be cheaper by 60%+/- thanks to SMART saving the most expensive parts of the rocket.
>>12647804>Ares 1, but as a Commercial Cargo backup option, maybe with a Cygnus on top
>>12647640Lies. SN9 will always be our friend .
>>12647869They originally planned to have three types of Orion flying, each on Ares I. Type I would carry crew. Type II would basically be a cargo version of the first one (like Crew Dragon V2 vs Cargo Dragon V2) while Type III would put a Cygnus on the Orion service module.
>>12647882Wait so why was it shitcanned>muh vibration>muh 100% fraticidewho cares, it's cargo
>>12647893Orion turned out to be pretty expensive. They originally planned for like five to six Ares I flights per year (2 Crew to ISS launches, 2 or 3 cargo ISS launches, 1 Lunar sortie), but it turned out that shit cost a lot of money. They eventually cancelled the cargo Orions in favor of commercial cargo (which meant only 3 Ares I’s launch per year). This was further down selected when Constellation removed the ISS from its long term plans, meaning only 1 Ares I/Orion would fly per year by the time the program ended.Would’ve loved to see it fly though.
>>12647856fastboi is Sprint. It was an antiballistic missile. Built to launch from a hardened silo and fly up to 19 mile altitude and detonate a small nuclear bomb to destroy incoming ICBMs after they'd entered the atmosphere.It accelerated at 100g, reaching mach 10 in 5 second.[math]Thrust: 674,400 lbf[/math][math]Weight: 7,400 lb[/math][math]TWR: 91[/math]
>>12647902Ngl, I think it would be metal as fuck to ride what's essentially an ICBM into orbit. I would totally sign up for that.
>>12647907https://youtu.be/rQ-UFKxDq5o
>>12647906That's the one that melted its own ablative nose into a fireball by going so fast, right?
>>12647906>similarly high>100GI think Sprint is a little bit faster than Starship, I wanted to go find videos of a similarly thrusty rocket to get a mental comparison
Is that the foundation for the launch tower?
>>12647913Alright,Whats the most "kerbal" real life rocket design?Bonus points for people actually flying on it.
>>12647679Ares 1 and Ares 5.
>>12647923
>>12647923Definitely Proton>Ivan we haven’t unlocked the 5 meter wide first stage yet!>It’s ok Vladimir. Let’s just cluster the 2 meter tanks around the 4 meter tank and call it even.>Oh so like as boosters?>No the entire first stage is clustered.
>>12647931Bonus points
>>12647932SOULTo think that railroad size needs to be taken into account when building rockets is insane
>>12647917Those concrete walls are awfully close to the orbital launch mount.
>>12647945>12647945Most, if not all, large rockets and planes have to deal with this. Even in the US. Boeing planes are restricted by a train that runs through Washington. All NASA rockets are restricted to the barge that can carry them through the panama canal, and restricted to the launch site infrastructure too I guess if you want to count that
>>12647952The fuck is going on with my keyboard today. This was for >>12647945 you (you)
>>12647965https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlsh7r5tzh8
https://youtu.be/t9eybY9qFfY
I'm going to start posting this every time Starship hops or launches for test flightshttps://youtu.be/w7J2Nnl7Ano
>>12647923>>12647932See also: Saturn I
>>12648019>Hey let's just cluster redstone stages around a jupiter tankInexplicably based
>>12647902How did Ares I end up so expensive anyways? It's literally just an SRB, how do you fuck it up that badly?
>>12647952Why don't they just centralize all production to Florida so they don't have to deal with those restrictions?
>>12648026also>it's not stable? just use 8x symmetry and attach a bunch of fins to the bottom
>>12648095It used an extended version of the shuttle SRB. Apparently this little difference meant that the nozzle and much of the internal work had to be totally redesigned. It also used a large cryogenic upper stage that is similar in size to the Delta IV’s first stage. Lastly, the upper stage engine apparently cost as much as an SSME/RS-25
>>12647765>fuck urf
>>12647906>100gHory shet
>>12648103You'd think that would be smart, but NASA divvies out contracts across the country>>12648105Yeah they went full Kerbal. "Just iterate the kitbash rocket until it works"
>>12648108Hydromeme - not even once.
>>12647926Why the fuck do they have the same name
If we got a water tower with insulation and a bulkhead inside, how long would it take us to build a heavy lift rocket?
>>12648198Hardest part is the engines really. Everything else is just a fuel tank and needs to at least be able to hold the fuel of your choice, and stay welded together strong enough for internal and external pressures
>>12648185it's like naming your vehicles obama prism 1-5 or Atlas 3 and Atlas 4
>>12648185I've never thought of that, it is pretty stupid. I guess it could have been worse: Ares 1 and Ares 2 would have been souless. Still, better than "space launch system"
>>12648208space transportation system
>>12648203We could always try for a vortex cooled engine so it could skimp on the combustion chamber material, if a good drilling jig can be built
Will O'Neill cylinders ever become a reality?
>>12648217"Starship"
>>12648227big fucking rocket
>>12648103A surprise benefit of E2E cargo Starship is being to hop payloads over the Rockies so that stops being a factor for reusable craft.
>>12648225There is currently one (1) (one) company seriously considering them, and who have money. And this company hasn't even been to orbit in 20 years. So I think the answer is no
>>12648217based>>12648227cringe
>>12648225Probably once or twiceThey’re good for space cities and if equipped with a magnetic field generator and sitting at L1, they’d be superb at maintaining a terraformed planet/spaceportA good sized one with a good drive system could be used as an interstellar ship to colonize other systems
>>12648225Not for awhile yet. You need a lot of existing infrastructure in space to start building projects on that scale. First you're going to see small habitats in gravity wells; Mars bases, Ceres base, moon bases, etc. Then you'll start to see smaller spin stations inside asteroids. Then you'll see small free orbiting spin stations like the Von Braun station or those sphere stations. O'Neill cylinders will be the final stage in that progression. I also suspect that the first true interstellar colonization effort will be basically a small-ish O'Neill cylinder with some kind of exotic nuclear propulsion strapped to it and set up as a generation ship. Maybe even do something Rama style where it's just DNA in a computer bank and an AI starts pumping out humans anywhere it finds habitable worlds.
>>12648248One reason why transhumanist shit is so cool; if we cure aging, those generation ships will become just ships.
>>12648225Absolutely.>>12648248Von Braun-esque stations will be after Mars and Moon bases. Definitely not after stations inside of asteroids or Ceres bases.
>>12647679Shuttle-C with 2/4 SRBs and a firm fixed price RS-25 contract (NO GRAVE ROBBING) for heavy cargo. Revival of Shuttle-C-Centaur for deep space high energy trajectories. CRS and Commercial Crew with absolutely no Boing! involvement. Northrop-Grumman creates an inert cargo pod form factor standard based on the Cygnus XL pressure vessel in exchange for development assistance replacing the NK-33 with a domestic kerolox engine.
>>12648254You're gonna have a real fucking hard time finding people to sign up for a Methuselah ship.>I know it's a 5000 year journey but bro you don't age lmaoFuck that
>>12648236OmegA
>>12648264If transhumanist magic is on the table, biologically slow down their perceived time 100x and give them fifty years worth of media, both study material and otherwise. Flip them back to normal speed on arrival.
It's over SLS bros...
thread song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnwKeiJflBw
>>12648279>Space roaches
>>12648284I agree with this. I've been listening to a ton of blade runner music recently
>>12648279Post yfw roach launch system makes orbit before SLS
>>12648284I really hope they know what they're doing putting them so close together.
>>12648290I wanted to go with the columbia mission control at first but I felt too guilty to post it
>>12648300They're side boosters for 18m SSTO Starship.
>>12648300look at the fucking carsthe size of those ships jesus fuck
>>12648302ITS goes in the middle
>>12648248>first true interstellar colonization effortWhen it becomes common to just be born and live and die in O'Neil cylinders some will eventually say "fuck orbiting this useless sun, might as well set off to the stars"
>>12648307Yeah, Starship is stupidly large. Almost pointlessly large. It's actually perfectly sized for large space telescopes to examine exoplanets, but for every other mundane use it's oversized. He's really only building this to make Mars happen, and then hoping that nobody else has the guts to match him with a vehicle sized more appropriately for the market.
>>12647679Build Starship but take the cupholders from the Shittle so we can claim it's "shuttle-derived".
>>12648311Once it's common to live your whole life in an artificial habitat (on Mars) there's very little preventing people from white flighting out into space colonies
>>12648312rideshare flights my dude
>>12648242>maintaining a terraformed planetReminder that terraforming is mental illness and terraformed planets will never be real Earths.
>>12647965>>12647966this can't possibly be real
>>12648312it's not too large though, once there's a true commercial market in space it'll always be better to lug as much shit as possible off this planet and in that regard the bigger the better
>>12648321When will we be able to increase Mars's gravity to 1g?
wasn't there a Starlink launch happening tomorrow?
>kisses (you)
>>12648300they're buddies :)
>>12648300>I'm putting together a team...
>>12648334>hairline>still getting marriedwhat’s the secret bros? Will I ever get a tradmars gf?
>>12648347cash money
>>12648347the "secret" is thousands in superchats every stream
>>12647906Raptor engines supposedly get 500,000 lbf and weigh 3300 lbs.So if you made a propellant tank + propellant weighing 2200 lbs you’d get the same twr as sprint.
>>12648352There are kids out there steaming fortnite and twerking on tik tok and they make more money in a day than I do in a month. Why do we even live
>>12648354how the hell did Sprint get a T/W ratio so fucking highSolids?
>>12648312It's large and yet cheaper than everything else anyway
>>12648362I don't know. Aside from spacex there's nothing to look forward to. Everything else in the world is gay and retarded
>>12648362There won't be any twerking on Mars, except perhaps in a private capacity.
Is Musk genetically incapable of making a payload fairing that isn't garbage relative to the size of the rocket?>entire payload section is curved>single giant door that limits mobility>once more it's pathetically short
>>12648312They’ll either fill the remaining payload capacity with paid rideshare customers, spacex project crap (starlink), or propellant to put in orbit. If your customers’ payloads were built to go on old launchers they’ll use a tiny fraction of starship capacity. Those extra tons will let a massive propellant depot get filled fast. I imagine spacex will then sell orbital propellants to customers— recharge your satellites or fill up before a long trip!
>>12648386it's like ten meters tall before it starts curving, that's fine
>>12648386>entire payload section is curvedu wot
>>12648364Yep, solids. The missile couldn’t see because it’s surface would glow white hot so they needed to use ground based radar to guide it to its target icbm. They used a massive, powerful radio beam to penetrate the plasma sheath that the missile created from getting so hot in the thick atmosphere
>>12648396isn't it almost half the height of the rocket as well?
hybergolig solids :DD
>>12647856>What other rockets would have similarly high T/W ratios? ICBM derivatives like Titan?The Minotaur/Cygnus really gets off the pad in a hurry.
>>12648404hybergaulinen geroziinihalliddu kiindeäbolddoainevaihe :DDD
>2021>we're STILL relying on Big Meme Rockets for space exploration instead of assembling interplanetary ships in orbitWe're never gonna get a gravity ring, are we bros
>>12648386(you)
>>12648325Japs are a different breed.And fuck kellog.
>>12648418Is that one of those meme solids that uses the weird fuel injection system for pseudo-gimbaling?
>>12648419Shelby has been out of power less than a month, anon. Give it time.
>>12648418seriously how much do those little crayola boosters even help?
>>12648425it's a photoshop, anonone of the few blessings left to the world is that Finland doesn't have space launch capability
>>12648425>>12648427the four little booster looking things are the kerosene-fueled gimballing system.The first stage is literally just a massive SRB, kinda ingenious
>>12648417And Tsyklon, Dnepr and Start.
>>12648429uh
>>12648427
>>12648429Oh. Well why the fuck do you need some dumb injector system if other SRB’s don’t need them. Like the Ares I-X launch could could at least turn. It didn’t need stupid vector system sewn on to its ass
>>12648431How did they only realize the very obvious flaws *after* spending years developing it and launching one?
>>12648437It was the OG sls. Never intended to fly. It was just meant to be a paper rocket sucking up contacts. They had to show some progress so they threw it together for a useless test flight.
>>12648437To be fair it was made before KSP
>>12648426Even starship follows the big meme design thoWe should be building the Nautilus X, not trying to cram everything in an epic tin can that's trying to be 4 different things at once. It would be useful for cargo, but trying to make it the basis of crewed missions is another case of trying to hammer a square into a round hole.
>>12648442I’ve never seen this photo before. You know to be honest, it wasn’t such a bad idea. Assuming they could have fixed the shaking, it could have been a relatively cheap way to get to orbit after shuttle. That is, assuming Northrop wouldn’t magically double the price for the SRB after the shuttle program ended which I’m sure is exactly what they did
Must be a pretty spooky job to craw inside of an SRB
>>12648443>He’s a ferry-to-mars anon>He’s a nautilus X lover as wellBased and practicalpilled
>>12648443>Even starship follows the big meme design thoThat's because the square cube law lets you get away with a hell of a lot as the rocket gets bigger. Smaller rockets will always be more expensive per kg.
>>12648448https://images.nasa.gov/search-results?q=ares&page=1&media=image&yearStart=1920&yearEnd=2021
>>12648443Starship is trying to be two things at once, anonit's trying to be a high delta-v rocket and also an atmospheric reentry vehicle, which is all you need for a reusable rocketthe whole Mars thing is almost incidental in the design
>>12648449I drop a cigarette in there, what happens?
>>12648460I'm not sure if that's enough to ignite the fuel, and I don't think an uneven ignition like that would be pretty
>>12648458To be honest, this is probably the ONE rocket that would actually benefit from an orange tank color scheme, aesthetically speaking
>>12648460those things'll kill ya
figured it out, that Finland rocket is a recolored Indian PSLV
>>12648469Aaaahhhh that’s where I’ve seen that photo before
>>12648460Apparently shuttle SRBs use a pyrotechnic charge to ignite, so they might not go off from a wimpy cigarette
>>12648469>First stage is a huge SRB, the largest ever flown>two of the small tanks strapped to the side are storage tanks for the liquid TVC injection bullshit>they have monomethylhydrazine/mixed oxides of nitrogen roll control bipropellant RCS thrusters strapped to the bottom of themjesus
Why do people hate Ares I? What's wrong with it?No meme answers like "*vibrates your astronauts into soup*" or "hullo everybody, this rocket is upside down."
>>12648478Yeah they do, the charges have backups that are removed literally right before flight. I wonder if it somehow ignited in this configuration, while still open, what it would look like. Would it be any similar to how the SRB’s normally fire? Would it just explode all at once? Would it burn in all directions and just be one giant firecracker?
>>12648482Sounds like it belongs in the Ganges
>>12648466In all white it's a sperm cell.
>>12648486I fucking hate fireworksalso it's meme overpriced oldspace bullshit
>>12648486hullo everybody, this rocket vibrates your astronauts upside down into soup
>>12648487I mean failsafes, not backups. It’s late and my mind is running on fumes>>12648486I am an Ares enjoyer. The vibrations are kind of a big deal. Not to mention the fact that the launch escape system is useless
>remove actuating fins>remove entire aft section>replace with deployable grid fins at the top and a raptor-aerospike with build in heat shield at the bottom>no more need for meme teen try and landing maneuvers>no more need to lug around 3 useless engines to Mars that will be used for a total of 10 secondsThere, I fixed it.
>>12648495>Not to mention the fact that the launch escape system is uselessThat's about par for US crew launchers then.
>>12648494
>>12648501Would it be better to use 3 smaller aerospikes, or go with the aeroass idea of one giant spike
>>12648501needs more surface area, it's too narrow for that idea to work in 9m
>>12648504Does the SLS LES even work? How are you supposed to clear a rocket with two fuckhuge SRB’s without burning your parachutes, or flying through a lovely scented SRB plume
>Muh R&DI don’t buy this argument. What is actually stopping Musk from making an aerospike engine?
>>12648510Its shuttle derived, launch escape isn't important.
https://youtu.be/EfOQIZaU32U
>>12648486It would maybe have been okay for cargo launches
>>12648510Don't they have some retarded plan to self-destruct the SRBs mid flight if they need to abort?
>>12648520This rocket’s seriously gonna kill people isn’t it? I would rather fly on SN9 than trust my life to the orange deathtrap
>haha SLS is so dangerous i bet it can't even abor-
>>12648512aerospikes are bad
>>12648526Did they ever actually fix the issue with the Challenger SRBs? I don't remember if they did or if they just did what they did with Columbia and quietly realize they couldn't fix it and just hope it didn't happen again.
>>12648528Unironically moving the goalpost here but SS is allowed to be dangerous. It’s made in a field and they are launching tons of them at a time for low cost. SLS is inexcusable because they spend billions upon billions and take years, the whole POINT being “it must be safe and ready to go out of the factory!”, yet it is neither ready to go nor safe
>>12648529>aerospikes are badWell so... Like, the problem with aero-... So. If anyone could like... SHOW us that this is, that aerospike is like... The reasonable thing we'd be like... WOW! Like PLEASE show us, yeah? So yeah, It'd be awesome if the aerospike would be the way to go, so... Yeh.
>>12648541Please stop.
>>12648528Ejector seats.
>>12648541read it dot com
The Energia was the greatest rocket to ever fly and its derivatives were all far ahead of their time. Prove me wrong.
>>12648528Dying on a Starship is different than dying on an SLS, idiot
>>12648552what derivatives lol
>>12648547>t. NASA in 1981
>>12648557
>>12648552>only says facts and correct statements>”prove me wrong”I don’t have to prove anything. Energia was based
>>12648556>Nasa in 1964
>>12648559I totally forgot about the Zenit. Wish they flew it more often. It’s not retired right?
>>12648566I don't think so. It's sad to see it relegated to sea launch memes when it was built to replace Proton. The breakup of the USSR really set back space flight by at least a decade.
>>12648531They added a third O-ring for extra redundancy.
>>12648578>by at least a decade.Closer to three decades
>>12648578multiple decades
>>12648561Honesty Russia really punches above their weight when it comes to launch vehicles. They come up with some amazing stuff that in the end gets screwed over by politics or other stupid shit.
>>12648587>>12648585>tfw ywn live in the timeline where a successfully reformed USSR has built Mir 2 and a lunar base with reusable rockets and NASA is driven to build the Nautilus X to compete
>>12648529fite me irl
>>12647952
I think this is from Bob's shuttle days based solely on the ugly shirt and primitive tech on his leg.
>>12648644average 737 max landing
will there ever truly be a place someone could fuck off to to guarantee absolute isolation from earth? the communication delay even on the outer moons seems too short to be insurmountable administration-wise, so it's still theoretically possible a zog government could administrate the entire systemis alpha centauri the last hope?
>>12648648>BOB
>>12647906Based. Sprint is my favourite missile.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXtgTVMcuA
>>12648308>>12648302>>12648300
>>12648528I reckon Starship could end up having decent abort modes. Maybe not as good as a traditional escape tower, but a lot better than the shuttle.If Superheavy automatically shuts down and Starship lights all 6 engines it could pull away from the booster and perform a return to landing site or abort to orbit. As Falcon 9 showed it could likely even perform a soft landing into the water and survive.
>>12648318rideshare flights to Mars orbit
>>12648676Abort modes will have to be re-evaluated as a concept once the realization that the most dangerous part of the journey is not the ascent but rather the actual journey across the solar system. Even small single engine private airplanes don't have ejection seats.
>>12648386Something's off about this image the payload bay seems really small.
>>12648824why are payload door images always at a funky angle that foreshortens the whole thing?
So is the SN9 test happening today???
>>12648832Does the FAA work on Sunday?
>>12648832Never on the weekends, new frog
>>12648832https://youtu.be/28EAWlOXrYs?t=20
>>12648897lol
>>12648897>Elon goes nuclearNot like this
>>12648541SpaceX stans BTFO
>>12648486They were given billions of dollars and 5 years and they ended up with nothing other than “Orion too heavy oops, can’t scale our solid” Meanwhile the Ares V never left the drawing boardWish I worked at NASA
>Apparently the Chinese Space Station Core Module, Tianhe, arrived at Wenchang today by ship
>>12648990https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1355827898087665667
>>12648819How much of the retarded Space Shuttle design was based on needing to be supposedly able to abort whenever...Meanwhile they didn’t even abort when the Solid was venting gasses for like 20 seconds straight
>>12647856Falcon Heavy has 1.6 and F9 1.4
>>12648996As if they even realized it was blasting a hole in the fuel tank. The shuttle was a fucking death trap, doubly so back in the early days.
Space flight General huh? I guess you all won't mind if I post this here.
>>12649012This too
>>12649012This as well
>>12649012so, IIRC the alcubierre drive needs a negative enrgy density to work, which hasn't been shown to exist. Miguel himself claims you could use the Casimir effect to do this, but AFAIK the Casimir effect only creates an energy density that's less than the vacuum energy, not actually negative. is Alcubierre a brainlet or am I misunderstanding something?
>>12649016>>12649014>>12649012spaceflight general, not theoretical physics general. Back to discord with you
>>12647679>AJ-260 solid first stage>RS-25 second stageIt's not great but having use shittle bits kind of fucks it from the start.
>>12648315Unironically true. When the entire cosmos gets blown wide open by the generation of a culture used to living in space habitats, racial segregation will reach levels never seen before in human history. There will be entire multi-star empires with pure Scottish descent, 99.99% red hair blue eyes fair skin. Shit like that. Probably not very many successful Congolese colonies.
>>12648347Money and having had a very healthy social life starting from kindergarten all the way through college. Also a dick that is above average and works.
>>12648364Solids with a fuel binder that inhibited combustion rates as little as possible. Technically you could go way higher than Sprint's TWR but it would start to look more and more like a bomb going off than an engine firing. If you made a solid fuel grain out of a solid oxidizer and a metal powder, with no rubberized binder separating the two, the shit would pretty much detonate when you ignited it.
>>12648386Lol this render puts the nose cone directly on top of the propellant tanks, in reality there's a ~9 meter long straight batter section before the cone starts.
>>12648400Yup. Starship is like 40% payload bay by volume, which is crazy considering the vehicle has ~6 km/s in the tanks even with a 150 ton payload. That other anon is just retarded.
>>12648419What is a gravity ring anon? Too many space concepts use the same fucking terms. Do you mean centripetal artificial G? Do you mean an Orbital Ring launch system? Do you mean a super-rotating Ringworld? Fucking rings man
>>12648437The problems would be obvious to anyone who has ever worked with rockets. The only conclusion I can draw is that they proposal they made was designed to look attractive to congress on purpose while secretly being a hugely flawed design that would cause them to start running into problems which would require more money and time to solve, thus dragging out the program slowly and painfully. This backfired on them because of how good a job they did at hiding flaws, the design turned out so shitty that even congress became disillusioned and shut it down.The only reasonable alternative is that due to years of bloat and employee turnover, literally all of the talent and skill left the industry, and the remaining organization was a zombified husk of itself.Personally I think both are true, the management became bent on securing government money and devolved into gib goblins, meanwhile the engineer base that this management gave orders to had been replaced with engineering graduates who had never touched a billet of aluminum in their lives. The process is similar to the replacement of the amazingly complex and synergistic tissues of a living organism with vague parodies of the former built from calcium carbonate crystals, over tens of thousands of years of fossilization.
Is the New Glenn coming out anytime soon, and when it eventually does, will it mog tf out of any other spacecraft out there? Think about it>biggest cargo capacity>actually relies on thoroughly tested technology>will have an abort system>will make manned flights become absolute frivolities in the grand scheme of spaceflight>isn't owned by (((Elon))) M*sk>it's oldspace approach most likely means government support towards itWhat i state is true and you know it, denying this would just be a cope
>>12649061>will make manned flightsand with what spaceship is that supposed to happen? new shepard capsule on top of new glenn or what?
>>12649071Cope
>>12648443>We should be building the Nautilus X >not trying to cram everything in an epic tin can that's trying to be 4 different things at once??????Anon, Nautilus X is the epitome of doing 100 things at once as shittily as possible and also being completely retarded from a practical design aspect.Starship is great because the vehicle can be whatever you want it to be just by putting different things into the forward payload section. You want a cargo ferry? Have that big clamshell door. You want a manned Earth-to-Orbit launch vehicle? Fill the payload section with racks of G-seats and a few life support crates. You want a space station? Outfit that baby with several "deck" sections a la Skylab and send it up. Station needs maintenance? Just bring it back down to Earth and do the work on the ground. You want to go beyond Earth orbit? Just refuel Starship in LEO and go. You don't use literally the exact same Starship design for every application. You use the basic Starship design (6 km/s delta V with a 150 ton vehicle + 150 tons of addition hardware) as a platform and you customize whatever's inside the nose cone section for whatever application you're trying to accomplish.
>>12649068Jeff Who?
>>12649068>Biggest cargo capacity45 tons? That's like 30% less than Falcon Heavy. >Actually relies on thoroughly tested technologyYou mean the BE4, an engine which has never flown, and which shits itself on dirty LNG at half the chamber pressure of the other extant LOX/CH4 engine?>Will have an abort systemI guess that is important for a rocket which will blow up as often as New Glenn.>Will make manned flights become absolute frivolitiesI'm not sure what the fuck this sentence means so I won't address it.>Isn't owned by Elon MuskTrue, I guess the richest man in the world and most successful private rocket company does need some competition from it's inferiors. >oldspace approach will mean government support.Ah yes, government support which has killed basically every ambitious rocket program in the past thirty years after severe mismanagement? Doesn't seem like something you'd want as a rocket company if you can avoid it.Can I be coping if the thing I'm denying is just a solid paragraph of Jeff Who?s cope?
>>12649084This. Also NG is at least in 2023.
Y’all thought I was wrong when I said Biden would cancel spaceflight. Well, who’s laughing now?
>>12649091Uncle Xi
TOMORROW, AT 0641 EASTERN TIME, A STARLINK LAUNCH WILL TAKE PLACE FROM THE HISTORIC LC-39A LAUNCH SITETHIS WILL BE THE 18TH STARLINK LAUNCH TO DATE, AND THE FIRST ROCKET LAUNCH OF THE NEW MONTHLAUNCH THREAD WILL BE PROVIDED BY GAIUS ANONYMOUS IN THE HOURS PRIOR TO LIFTOFFBE AWARENO FURFAGS, JANNIES, OR UNCLEAN REDDITORS MAY ATTENDTHIS LAUNCH UPDATE WAS PROVIDED BY GAMESTOPPOWER TO THE PLAYERS
>>12648486>Why do people hate Ares I? Extremely expensive and the sum total of return on that taxpayer investment was an unmodified 4 segment Shuttle SRB with a dummy 5th segment and a dummy upper stage topped off by a dummy capsule launched one time, unexpectedly gimballed right after liftoff and washed the launch structure down with superheated alumina dust, and then re-contacted the dummy upper stage after burnout and separation. Literally slapstick humor levels of retardation in that program.>What's wrong with it?The design did not even work on paper for achieving its design payload to LEO. The SRB is obviously low Isp, which necessitates a hydrolox upper stage to achieve orbit. However, hydrolox has shitty thrust as we all know, which means they would need a really big hydrolox upper stage in order to push itself plus a 20 ton payload on a low-and-slow trajectory all the way to LEO. Problem there is that the engine they were developing for the upper stage wasn't strong enough. Therefore there was a maximum size limit to the upper stage, limited by both the upper stage propulsion and the first stage, and all of these conflicting issues meant that the rocket couldn't even put a 20 ton payload into LEO on PAPER yet was going to cost hundreds of millions. Probably the smoothest brain design to ever reach the stage of hardware development. Actual retardation and follow-the-leader decision making at play. A complete travesty. Also it looked stupid.
>>12648512Aerospikes do not perform better than conventional nozzles in any practical sense.
>>12648517>oops I lit my steel combustion chamber on firelol
>>12649068It will give SpaceX a proper competitor, which is what really matters.
>>12649130Starship will reach orbit before NG blue is just going to be a government engine vender rather than a launcher
>>12648541Literally no one has ever been able to make a case, even in an ideal math world sense, that aerospikes can out perform bell nozzles. Aerospikes are several TIMES heavier for the same thrust output. Aerospikes are LESS efficient than an optimized bell nozzle, at sea level or in vacuum.Aerospikes have a LARGER footprint, which means you can't fit as many on the base of your booster.Aerospikes are MORE difficult to cool even with regenerative cooling loops because of their much larger combustion chamber and throat surface area.Aerospikes are MORE complex than conventional nozzles and would therefore be more expensive to build.Aerospikes LOSE efficiency from trans-sonic to hypersonic mach numbers because of flow interactions, meaning they lose thrust during the most critical phase of a launch.Finally, there is NO practical SSTO vehicle design, which means that the upper stage can always just use the more efficient, lighter, cheaper bell nozzles while the first stage can benefit from being able to pack more engines onto its base (also the Isp of the first stage doesn't matter nearly as much anyway, except at liftoff, which is where a sea level bell nozzle outperforms an aerospike regardless).So tell me, where is the fucking advantage of an aerospike nozzle?
>>12649133Starship will never reach orbit. The Democrats are obviously going to shut down spaceflight
>>12648552Energia would have unironically set off space race levels of technological development and launch capacity increase in America if the Soviets didn't shit the bed and collapse immediately. In a different world where they managed to stabilize for another couple decades I fully believe that they would have shot the Moon, maybe even done some long stays. ~90 tons of payload to LEO per Energia means that you can launch a big ass lander + habitat module, follow it up with a big ass transfer stage module, and then do a Soyuz launch to get a three-man crew up there. The whole thing goes to the Moon, does the other things, comes back. If they started implementing reuse of the vehicle, America would shit itself. The core stage in particular would have been able to be modified for reuse using vanilla Buran tech. It'd need a delta wing a bit further aft than halfway, plus some reinforcement for landing gear, and finally a TPS coating. Boom, you have a VTOHL reusable core stage that brutally mogs Shuttle, lands autonomously etc. Step two would be to make the boosters reusable as well, which I personally think would be best accomplished by going from four to two boosters, with the same overall thrust output. That'd let you use delta wings for VTOHL without running into crowding problems.
>>12649158The civil war will begin when the first Starship kamikazes on the pentagon
>>12649158
>>12649158Be honest, how mad does this picture make you?
>>12648648Damn look at those pythons, I thought being in zero g was supposed to turn you into an average californian male though
>>12649169Lol moron.Democrats are way more evil now than they were then, because they’re taking over and can start doing whatever they want
>>12648552It's the only launch system to have its own ska theme song.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVWfqOSdzs4
>>12649178Dems have always been evil, the R’s being any different is just a charade too
>>12649106
>>12649106Ave
>>12649178>Dems want to kill spaceflight!>Then why did the president's last administration support spaceflight?>THEY'RE JUST EVIL OK? STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYR7lQyCVI0Stardust 1.0 Launch in 5 mins
>>12649205Is too little!We want starship that is bigger!
>>12649205Stardust is cuteCUTE!
>>12649205Hold, launch in 12 mins
>>12649205Has the FAA approved this? We need a review for public safety
>>12649205>even sounding rockets get scrubbed to death
>>12649219Unlike the hack fraud Elon Musk and his exploding scam starships, these are quality rockets built by quality engineers so they passed the FAA regulatory process no problem.
>>12649205Imminent launch boys
>>12649205Update : Launch is imminent!
How can SpaceX even compete
>>12649205F
Second update: launch is not imminent lol
How many fucking 'systems' can there be in this spicy firework
Bio derived fuel lolFancy words for sugar rocket
lol @ the guy getting interrupted on mic
>>12649252iz it scrub?
getting thoroughly spooked by this music
eh
bluScrub Aerospace
is the livestream frozen?
>>12649263lmao you're right, the clouds haven't moved at all
WEN HOP?
>>12649172>thinks that 0 g shit is reallmao
>>12649263Yea for like the whole time I guess
>>12649263>livestream is a static image for last 10 mins
>>12649205>StardustWere Giant Fireball and Flying Coffin taken or something?
>>12648307Yeah, and that's just the upper stage.
>>12649268Fuck you. This is HOP WHEN? territory.
>>12649275And no one has noticed yet
>>12649169How thoughtful of Musk, matched his suit to Obama's skin.
>>12649279Not according to twitter
>>12648386https://www.spacex.com/media/starship_users_guide_v1.pdfAccording to the most recent users guide, the first eight meters aren't tapered, and the door is like twice as big.
Launch 90 mins from now, fixing issue with main valve and then re-pressurizing the tanks.
>>12649205ARE WE NOW IN THE POWER OF STARDUST?
>>12649285this isn't twitter, fag
>>12649226
>>12649297>Funding to date>Patreon
>>12649285WELL WE AREN'T ON TWITTER ARE WE FAGGOT
>>12649287Yeah, that other render was made by some uninformed moron
Launch re-scheduled for 1-1:30 PM EST
hop NET tuesday
>>12649326FAA imposes a random week long delayBest we can do boyo
>>12649203>Parties never change behavior or beliefs ever hahaI don’t recall Bill Clinton talking about “child transitions”
>>12649326Hop Monday! Just keep waiting, Tuesday is right around the corner! FAA promises approval probably coming by Wednesday, no later than Thursday! Have just a little patience and we can all watch the Friday launch of SN9 this coming Saturday, won't that be a fun way to spend Sunday? Space is hard! :^)
How does it feel, muskrats? Now that finally a real government is showing its hand and you can't freely destroy people's money homes and the environment with reckless behavior and explosions and danger! For years us environmentalists wept as we saw the desolation left by a private company rampaging in protected environments but no more. WE WIN.
>>12649333>week long>not 6 months
>>12649343>/sfg/ regular getting bored and decides to troll
>>12649337Instead bill Clinton supported the various libtard agendas of his day Do you think he would oppose it in an interview today?
>>12649343How many rockets do all other space launch providers dump into the clean ocean compared to SpaceX?
>>12649352>Instead bill Clinton supported the various libtard agendas of his daySo you admit they’re getting worse and worse. QED
>>12649342They can’t do weekend launches, can’t close the beach on the weekend
>>12649358No they were absolutely the same evil, they merely supported what they could get away with at the time Rabid liberals have been the same for over 100 years Even back in the civil war era you had abolitionists trying to kill whitey
>>12649342How is the FAA, an organization that allowed 737 MAX to take off, exactly how are they able to "approve" a rocket launch when those prototypes are essentially experimental each time?These launches should be done in a rocket range with 100% availability. FAA doesn't even know planes nowadays, let alone rockets.
>>12649355We should destroy the oceans
>>12649337>Democratically elected leaders change their views to match voter opinionNo way....
>>12649367Why do u people bring up the max Third worlders crashing planes is not the fault of Boeing
>>12649342
>>12649366>Even back in the civil war era you had abolitionists trying to kill whiteyhow is this bad? What sort of dissonance is necessary to call others evil when you support chattel slavery that was brutal even by ancient standards of slavery?
>>12649373It’s the other way around. The elites control public opinion.
>>12648566Yeah, it was retired along with Dnepr and Rokot when Russia invaded Ukraine. All those Soviet rocket designs incorporated Ukrainian tanks or avionics.The Zenit design is actually going to live on: Soyuz 5 is basically an all-Russian Zenit. It might even revive the Sea Launch platform, which was also bought by a Russian conglomerate.
>>12649378>How is killing white people badPost nose
>>12649378Bet you buy meat at the store u hypocrite, and have a slave dog or cat
>>12649386Oh boy, what a surprise.
>>12649391Sherman clearly didn't burn enough.
>>12649380Ah yeah I forgot about those """elites""", are they lizard people too?
>>12649399You’re braindead if you deny that those who control the media aren’t pushing certain narratives.
>>12649414For sure on both sides. But I don't consider the "media" the elites. People just like inflammatory content and seek it out, which the media happily serves them for a profit.
There a reason why we don't see more of these aerospikes used?
>>12649436See >>12649137
>This is the Ariane 6 second stageSay something nice about it
>>12649432The media is controlled by a tiny minority of very wealthy people and they use said media to spread narratives and normalize satanic globohomo shit. Look at the “Early life” section of the Wikipedia page of any seemingly whites person who pushes globohomo, and a pattern will emerge. Spaceflight, Western spaceflight at least, is ultimately undesirable to them and will be stopped somehow.
>>12649442Looks like it’s covered in greebles
>>12649442balls
>>12649449Sorry forgot to include this in my last post>This is when you write a long post about how media is controlled by the "elites" with no sources except "look for a pattern"
>>12649439Wrong aerspike...
>>12648386Make the other parts of the nosecone hinged and you could make a killer temporary space telescope with a design like that.
>>12649456How is Dad today anon? Get into any satisfying arguments?
>>12649432Dumb. Medias are the elites. They are your masters. They tell you what to think, how to think, who to like, who to hate, what is true, what is fake, etc. You whole onions on subjects that you know nothing about are shapes by media. Unless you claim to be a super genius that has effort level knowledge in every field, your not thinking hard enough on how media controls your thoughts.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/31/22258815/nasa-moon-lander-awards-biden-spacex-blue-origin-moonshotHLS selection delayed to April 30th
>>12649442When are they going to hop the Ariana 6 ??
>>12649456>I'm a retard and can't look for patterns or understand the idea that billionaires and millionaires who own and control media companies are by definition "elites"
>>12649471Are they helping SpaceX since they know they're the only ones who give a damn?
>>12649470>I learn everything from facebook posts and internalize all of it because I have literally no filter for misinformationYikes.
>>12649474>I saw a pattern that means it must be true!I know you won't read it but,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_biashttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
>>12649475Probably. SpaceX is the only one that’ll continue without HLS anyways
>>12649475Optimistic, but I bet it's more on an indicator that NASA and Artemis are going on the back burner for now.
>>12649476People over rate themselves. 95% of people do not have critical thinking skills. If you watch tv as an adult, read newspaper daily, you're thinking to highly of your own ability to spot when you're being manipulated by the media. If you use social media that's even worse as it's nothing but a tool to fit in to social structure shapes by the media elites.
>>12649487>I saw a pattern that means it must be trueIt is true that seemingly white globohomo pushers are very often Jews, yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Feminists_by_religion
>>12649474>>12649476>"Look at us, we're two anons who literally cannot shut the fuck up about this same shit every fucking day! No it's not on-topic, but we like this so fuck you /sfg/!"
>>12649476A good way to filter misinformation is to never trust the big media companies.
>>12649502>Real ideological threats to spaceflight are off topic!!111
>>12649510ideological threats belong on /pol/, not here
>>12648419Be patient nigga, we're only in the beginning of the real space age. Nuclear saltwater ships will come soon.
>>12649521There will be no future space age, because of demographics.
>>12649377
>>12649442It's like looking at my crotch after a few days of not shaving.
Using a sunward bussard scoop to bombard Venus with hydrogen could terraform it to levels tolerable conditions for surface arcologies where then a biosphere introduction could sequester carbon and introduce oxygen into the atmosphere Once they can build superheavies from the surface, you could liquify a good bit of the nitrogen and ship it to Mars for their terraforming project
>>12649527Why the fuck would you shave your crotch?Must be a gay faggot
>>12649398I love how liberals always ignore sherman wanted to genocide the indians and send the blacks back to africa. They always act like he was some bleeding heart liberal abolitionist.
>>12649510>noooo we have to fight about this every day, you don't understand!
>>12649534Barely anything else is going on in spaceflight. Why not?
>>12649532Fighting for the Union =\= abolitionist. Sherman was based though
>>12649510I just want the conpiratards to leave. A science board shouldn't have people participating who can't understand their own basic cognitive biases, and consider looking up people on wikipedia proof of a global cabal controlling the media.
>>12649538Sherman was closer to the national socialism that liberals love to associate the confederacy with then the confederacy was. He wanted a strong central government and he wanted to expand into non white lands and expel or annihilate the people living there for living space.
>>12649471SN9 delayed to May 1st
>>12649540>Jews controlling the media is just a coincidence goy! Pay no attentionCan you guys just get in some star-shaped spaceships and go live somewhere else; like in a black hole?
>>12647611I don’t know who’s worse. The Redditors or the /Pol/fags
>>12649553They're the same thing
>>12649555Im98% sure that the dude who keeps shilling for liberalism is just a /Pol/fag who is shitposting
>>12649527You will never be a real rocket.
>>12649471This is great! SpaceX will continue regardless. Dynetics and Body Odor hung out to dry (unless they get serious and self-invest). This delay will separate the boys from the men
>>12649471>Delayed>Will get delayed again probably>Will get cancelled probablyIn all actuality I don't care that much, but I really want to see HLS Starship
>>12649601HLS starship is based but I’m sure Elon will just pivot to Mars directly now.>>12649596Blue will discontinue their lander I gaurantee it
>>12649475They gave Spacex the smallest share of the money for their lunar project and provided the largest share to BO which has yet to launch so much as a single bolt into orbit and is joining up with old space galore to develop their inevitably incomprehensibly expensive lander which won’t be ready until the sun burns out.So I’m guessing they are more interested in helping theirs friends than actually doing anything or going anywhere in a reasonable amount of time using a reasonable amount of money.
>>12649601And all the money goes to the “national team” which eventually just evaporates when the SLS doesn’t deliverSame as the whole commercial crew program where most money goes to Boing
>>12649616Dude it’s insane how Blue sold their soul to OldSpace for some quick $$$$$
>>12649226lol
>>12649442It exists, I guess
Why is ULA and NASA even giving consideration to Blue Oldspace? They haven't reached orbit. THIS SHOULD BE THE BARE MINIMUM
>>12649618That’s what happens when you hire nothing, but old space while using connections in government to keep getting money for doing nothing.
>>12649337>being this obsessedSeek help.
>>12649618Literally sold out before their first product was even manufactured.
>>12649640How am I obsessed????
>>12649601Space is hard!
>>12649544>n-no y-you don't get it l-libtard he was actually on m-my s-sideshut the fuck up and stop shitting up the thread already faggot
>>12649650Seething for no reason
>>12649646>find a way to seethe about "muh trannies" in a thread about space flightThey live in your head rent free. This isn't healthy, anon.
>>12649650Dude I know right! Heckin’ LOCKED!!!! Let me post this to r/SpaceXMasterrace!!!!
>>12649659Trying way too hard
>>12649658I only made one comment about trannies, as an example of the rapidly shifting Overton window. You are confused.
>>12649661
>>12649659based
>>12649661God I wish the entire planet was factories and mines and industrial sprawlHopefully Mars will be kind of like that
>>12649532>You have to be a liberal to think confederates and teenager fascism-larpers are retards and faggots.
>>12649661>>12649664
>>12649666Of course you would, satan Also Mercury is the superior site for a forge world
>>12649669Liberals are dumb so liberals would think that. There's dumber people, though, like leftists.
>>12649673I've literally never seen a fascist that is actually successful in life.
>>12649673Commies are worse in my opinion and experience and whatnot
>>12649673You spaceflight fans sure are a contentious people.
>>12649672Factories and mines are aesthetic and emblematic of mankind's ascendancy
>>12649077it sucks that your cargo is 40 meters in the air if you're landing on a planetary surface, but that's not a total dealbreaker
>>12649677Maybe because they don't say they're fascist because that'd be retarded and get them cancelled?
>>12649673reported
>>12649678Ehhhhhh the USSR had some based spaceflight plans
>>12649680And dead planets made green are a sign of mankind’s morality and prowess
Look I understand politics is intimately tied in with spaceflight, but for the love of fuck please fuck off if you want to post /pol/-tier schizo shit that has nothing to do with rockets
Why did every rejected rocket proposal from the 60s and 70s use a massive aerospike first stage?
>>12649702Grifters have always existed
>>12649702Cost-plus contracting and beating the commies meant they could come up with crazy ideas and not have to worry about costs. Kennedy was prepared to throw a fuckload of money at the best proposal
>>12649702They fell for the SSTO meme. There were a lot of cool designs though like pic related.>>12649699For the love of god please can we talk about rockets or something
>>12649717Is that an aeroass?
https://twitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1355920138105737221thiccship
>>12649680I agree with you on underground mines, they make for interesting places to explore once they shut down. But fuck factories
>>12649723It’s a horribly deformed S-IVB with an aero spike on one end and a Gemini capsule on the other. It was designed for satellite interception
>>12649684It sucks if your cargo is 400,000 meters up and moving at orbital speed with no way of landing it unless you have a secondary vehicle, too.
>>12649737Would be based. Methane would make it even cooler. I assume it had more stages though. Maybe a Titan rocket or something?
>if sn9 sticks the landing there will soon be 3 starshipswhere are they gonna store all these starships?
>>12649766In my shed. At this rate SN11 will be rolled out before the end of February wtf
>>12649766They should either make a rocket garden, or scrap them and sell the pieces off. I would be willing to spend $30 on a little post-it note size piece of SN9 or something
has the "inflatable heat shield" idea every been tried irl?
>>12649774I thought ULA was planning on flying it with the Vulcan vore? Is that still right or did they can it?
>>12649774*ever>>12649777i don't even know. They had the idea, scrapped it along with ACES, but now they might bring it back?
>>12649774Me thinks this would somehow amount to millions in refurbishment costs and not be worth it. The only cheap way to reuse now is propulsive landing. If you are incapable of that, don't bother with reusability. Even the Vulcan core idea is dumb
>>12649780ACES was the only cool thing ULA was doing holy shit
>>12649785agreed. Using inevitable hydrogen boiloff to power an active cooling solution was a genuinely cool idea. Probably wouldn't have been that easy, but still.
>>12649790>We are making a new rocket from scratch with reusability in mindAll we are doing is catching the engines>We are making ACESJk no we aren't>We are making a propellant depot???
>>12649118aerospikes are cool, but only useful for altitude compensation. So until we design the mythical single-stage-to-orbit launcher, they are not really useful.
>>12649797>>12649790What even is ULA’s business model at this point?>Hur durrr we’re okay with being second best if it means we’re still in the running!!!!!!
>>12649774yeah there have been a few tech demonstrators
>>12649806Results over rhetoric
>>12649084>45 tons? That's like 30% less than Falcon Heavy.fucking hell when will people learn that 30 tons reusable is less than 45 tons reusable
>>12649821>Mueller fell for the hydromemewelp that explains why he was fired lmao
SpaceX to Mexico!
>>12649835Homer Hickman is funny as shit>>12649824Falcon Heavy with 2 boosters reused and core expendable can put 50 tons into LEO for $110 Million
>>12649847Would a FH in expendable mode be capable of launching something like a Voyager mission out of the plane of the solar system?
>>12649849With a Jupiter gravity assist? Definitely. A small vehicle under 1 metric ton would be easy peasy
>>12649287is this the largest (non imaginary such as Sea Dragon) fairing/volume that exists for cargo?
>>12649865yes
>>12649616That's how much each company asked for, not how much NASA thought each company deserved. SpaceX bid cheap, likely as incentive to get NASA on board with Starship moving forward. National Team bid at oldspace extortion levels, and Dynetics bid reasonably.
>FAA drags it's feet so long SN10 is ready to launch too>SN9 and SN10 do a joint flight and land just like the two Falcon Heavy boosters
>>12649774China just used one last year. I forget for which mission, but I remember we talked about it.
>>12649774I remember NASA doing a low density inflatable decelerator thing a few years ago that they quietly cancelled after a real life test showed that the turbulence created in the wake of the wider thing would shred any parachute of feasible length.
>>12649801Honestly they aren't even really good for that either. Compared to a sea level engine, an aerospike starts off less efficient then gets more efficient near vacuum, while in between as its transitioning through the regions of supersonic to hypersonic atmospheric flight it actually loses a significant fraction of its performance.The issue with aerospikes is not even the vehicle architecture (TSTO vs SSTO), its that Earth's atmospheric pressure just is not great enough for the effect of an aerospike to be worth the cost. It's kinda like how technically a Mars-surface optimized engine would be better than a vacuum optimized engine for launching off of Mars' surface, but in reality you'd just use vacuum optimized engines anyway because the difference in performance is negligible compared to the cost savings of not using two different kinds of engine.
I'm incredibly sad and I use these rocket launches as an escape. I think I wish that I was on one of these rockets going into orbit, or to mars or something.
>>12649774China had a failure last year
>>12649829He wasn't fired dude, he didn't like being removed from the actual building parts aspect of the job that came with his ascent to leading the whole propulsion team.
>>12649978I'm not kidding when I say you should go and drive out into the desert with a tank of water and a bunch of food and just camp out and pretend you're prospecting for minerals on an Earthlike exoplanet that's being colonized
bluShift launch in 2 min
>>12649986Those poor villagers.
>>12648829The artists don't understand how big the bay is.
>>12649993link the stream dammit
>>12649999
>>12649442It's more real than the EUS.
>>12649205>Stardust 1.0Where are the Spiders?
>>12649991I might just do that. Thank you.
>>12649998https://youtu.be/OYR7lQyCVI0
>>12649978Same, but usually my fantasies end with the rocket exploding shortly after launch
>>12650014But launch was a still frame? Couldn't see it, only hear people.
>>12649766Drop them on Washington DC until the bureaucracy submits.
>>12650010No problem bro, it's a big planet out there. Do you live anywhere near the southwest US? I've always kinda wanted to buy a beater truck and load up with supplies and LARP in the desert there as a Mars prospector, and look for malachite deposits to refine into little blobs of copper.
>>12650014>random shit tier rocket that will never do anything important gets approved for launch>rocket that will save humanity gets denied for launchreally makes you think
>>12650022>southwest US?No, unfortunately not. Scandinavia, north of the arctic circle. I'm freezing and I don't like this.
>>12649986Any way to know what part specifically failed? Did the shield itself fail or was it some other component?
>>12649694I'd rather core crack them and use the minerals to make space habitats and fleets.
>>12649733Factories look amazing. Buzzing, industrial activity, producing and refining materials for our desires.
>>12649774Didn't China try one out recently?
>>12650034You should build a greenhouse and pretend you're in a habitat on Pluto.
>>12649821Musk himself had to make the key design decisions, even his crew were a buncha old space ass hatsBet he picked steel too
Stardust is still live with payload recovery https://youtu.be/OYR7lQyCVI0
>>12648996The shuttle had very limited abort windows, to the point that aborting was pretty much a non-option.Abort too early and you fall like a brick, too late and you can't make it to a runway.
>>12650126It’s a plane, it can glide back to some landing site, or even the water They would have needed to spot the issue in time though
>>12650034Scandinavia is the most pozzed place in the world. Globohomo has full and total controlhttps://youtu.be/ShfsBPrNcTIElon better colonize Mars quick. The first half of this century is the only chance humans have.
>>12649342Space is easy, government is hard.
>>12650152Elon should remove the government.
>>12650141What an NPC post
Well well well well Mr Musk you seem to have had an anomaly! You disagree? Too bad your opinion doesn’t matter.... Now we will be beginning our investigation next week, this won’t take long, and you will thank us in the end ;) Be seeing you, Mr MuskBtw, you are grounded until further notice.
>>12650160Good luck maintaining space colonies in a >50% white country.
>>12650139It's more complicated that that. It couldn't separate from the SRBs early, which meant if there was any problem their only course of action was to wait until SRB burnout, then do this borderline suicide maneuver of turning around retrograde with the main engines firing and cancel out its horizontal and vertical velocity, then stage off the ET and come in nearly straight down before pulling out of the dive in order to land or ditch. Apparently they wanted to attempt this maneuver during the first ever Shuttle launch and the astronauts said no, I wonder why lmao
>>12650177If they separated the shuttle from the tank and let the SRB’s + fuel tank fly away, might be survivable
>>12650139It has a dogshit glide ratio though. There are really limited windows in which it can detach early and make it back to a runway without falling short or slamming into the ground/water.
>>12650141The US is honestly more pozzed than Scandinavia, they just don't know it or coping hard
>>12650191The problem was deciding to stack the shuttle on the side of all of these things. I don't know how they could have done it differently, but making the shuttle sit on top of the launcher a la dyna sour or dreamchaser seems way safer. I guess the dolphin sex proposal had this same problem too - but at least you don't have SRB's in that scenario. I don't think you could have just ditched the shuttle with SRB's firing. The aerodynamic forces would shred you
>>12650200The cities are pozzed yeah, but the countryside isn't.
>>12648225Yes, but not until we have a solar system wide economy.
>>12649978Future space prospects are definitely a drive for me. It's one of the few thing we're (slowly) progressing in that excites me. Launches and spaceflight make total sense for escapism, fren.
>>12650239Can't take that long. You could turn the Martian moons into hundreds of the things.
So obviously the shuttle lacking an abort system was bad. What about Starship? Granted there are no SRBs, and it's just two stages stacked on top of one another so those risks are eliminated. Will we see it perform >>12650177 -esque maneuver in the event of a launch abort?
>>12650014Wtf was that stream?
>>12650210
>>12650246A fully fueled, fully loaded Starship might be unrecoverable as well. The risk of a catastrophic failure is much lower anyway due to:a) no fucking piggyback ride with wings in the path of chunks of flying foam and iceb) no fucking SRBs
>>12649978Use your dreams to put some hair on your chest, get fit, chase gains, learn introductory physics and mechanical engineering, learn a trade. use the time you have to prepare for colonization. even if you dont manage to go, you will develop good habits and lead a successful life
>>12650253Kino.
>>12650253>dies
>>12649326faa working over time, huhhope it works out this time
>>12650254Would it be at all possible for the full stack to perform the maneuver? Using the grid fins and flaps in tandem? Or am I smokin' too much of that Elon sauce?
>>12649326>for every week delay another Starship will appear on the pad
>>12650254And no side mounted SRB’s with finicky o ring joints that get partially burned through in normal operationPresumably it would ignite its main engines and fly away from the booster, which would have turned off engines as soon as an issue happenedThen burn fuel until it’s light enough to land on 3 engines at the landing siteI’m sure they will be testing this style of abort with their hoppers whenever they start stacking em
>>12650253Make a heavy variant now
>>12650266Nah the connection would probably break from aerodynamic forces and then they'd be mega-fucked
>>12650281Ah fuck you're right. Maybe if they could vent enough fuel so that the second stage could be light enough to land.. tricky in an abort scenario I'd imagine
>>12650275This
>>12650253*pogo oscillates into obit ripping all heat tiles away*
>>12650265>it was early next week last weekthen it was tuesdaythen wednesdaythen it was fridayon friday it was mondayon sunday it's now tuesday>approval still pendingI hate this.
>>12650297Ah, wait, shit, pogo oscillation is specific to liquid fueled engines, I didn't remember the exact SRB term.
>>12650277imagine an "SRB 9" where it's that design but with two more triple-booster cores attached to the front and back of the central core
>>12650298Face it, starship will never fly. SLS is the future.
>>12649821HYDROMEME BTFOseriously though hydrogen is fucking pointless now. Only exception is maybe moon depots>>12650089>Bet he picked steel tooIf I remember right he did and had to convince everyone else on the matter
china: are rosing runch to spacex, do someting!!biden: yes master
100 ejection seats on starship
>>12650273The longer the Starship is on the pad, the stronger it will become.
>>12650277
>>12650329or use ejection PODS.
>>12650323Hydrogen is a perfect outer solar system ISRU fuel
>>12650329Airlines don't have ejection seats.
>>1265032360 years of launching rockets before a man with a weird Jewish name looked at a Wikipedia article on energy density, thrust density, and exhaust velocity to see liquid methane is the best Coincidentally it’s also the cheapest fuel and at the same temps as LOx.....
>>12650329>>12650346Why has NASA had this autistic focus on abort systems for the last 50 years? We don't fill a fucking 747 with ejection seats for everyone, instead we focus on making the vehicle itself safe and reliable to the point that you don't need an ejection seat, so why is spaceflight difficult? Is it just another dumb example of 'space is hard' oldspace mentality? Overengineering the fuck out of things to the point that they actually become less reliable and more dangerous
>>12650348>60 years of launching rockets before a man with a weird Jewish name looked at a Wikipedia article on energy density, thrust density, and exhaust velocity to see liquid methane is the bestIt's embarrassing how dogmatic and faith-based supposedly scientific fields can be. They assume that because everyone is "smart" that the status quo is correct; but if everyone is assuming that then no one is going to check to make sure. The reality is that even those at the top of their game frequently cobble together solutions. "The genius scientist" is a romanticized trope that doesn't really exist, or rather one that doesn't supersede the fact that humans fuck up all the time. A PhD doesn't magically turn you into a logically flawless cyborg or some shit>>12650265If there actually are some heroic bastards working overtime in the FAA trying to fight back against an entrenched and inflexible system then I'll take back everything bad I've ever said about them. Pretty disappointed though that no journalists have managed to get a scoop on the details of the problems here.
>>12650373Berger will probably write a good article about it soon, but he will spin it as "Musk over works government workers on their weekend" kek
HAPPENINGTFR TO SPACE CONFIRMED FOR TUESDAY
Is there some efficient way to change from an orbit to the retrograde version of that orbit, other than burning 2x the orbital velocity's delta V?
>>12650402You could go into a solar orbit then drop back into an earth orbit.
>>12650402Gravity assist off a moon?
January wasnt great but not terrible either. We got to see a new rocket being successfully launched; LauncherOne and a new satellite rideshare record.The downsides were a lack of launches from other companies and countries and the very annoying delays for SN9. February from the look of things should be a vast improvement in this regard.
>>12650402if the change requires more delta-v than escape velocity, you should just leave
>>12650399uhhhhh I thought boeing was paying them off?
>>12650399TFR != FAA license
>>12650419no, there's no collusion or conspiracy here, it's just Bureaucracy being dicks normalstyle
>>12650418I’ve noticed that you can pick whether you go into a retrograde or prograde orbit when you encounter an object in KSP using only a tiny amount of delta/v, and it takes less delta/v to go into a solar orbit in KSP than it takes to burn off all of your orbital velocity by more than twice, so you could probably just do that in real life as well
What if Elon just says "Screw the rules I have money" and launches SN9, 10 etc. without FAA approval? What can the FAA do then?
>>12650444Execute him
>>12650444fuck him up, the FAA has teeth
>>12650444Elon would have a better chance of launching by moving Boca Chica operations a few miles down to Mexico
>>12650424>here's your TFR as requested>but you can't launch :^)
>>12650444At some point refusing to follow federal regulations and laws becomes a "feds physically imprison you" problem.
>>12650444deploy a crack squad of TSA warriors to assassinate him
How hard would it be to build an orbital rocket by yourself?
>>12650492Technically or legally? If you can make HTPB and weld steel it's probably not super difficult to make an SRB, but that's functionally an ICBM so the government will scream at you as we've seen with Elon.
why can't Elon just buy the FAA? regulatory capture works for Amazon
>>12650485Physically remove the feds. Elon should go full Arasaka/Weyland-Yutani
>>12650492Very hard. Closest thing we have is Copenhagen Suborbitals but as the name implies they won't even try to reach orbit.
>>12650501Does Elon really want to be the one managing all US airspace?
>>12650265>Government employee working weekends!!How horrifying
>>12650492I think at that point you are making something way bigger than what some 1 or 5 man group can do, with performance needs that mandate specialists in propulsion/avionics/vehicle body/etc
>Elon launches SN9 without approval>Feds pour down on Boca Chica to investigate>SN9 air bursts instead of attempting to land
>>12650368Well, assuming there was not some catastrophic failure, a failing airplane can glide down for a bumpy landing. A rocket is just going to fall out of the sky and explode on landing.
>>12650492This is the smallest orbital rocket, built by Japan. However hard it was to finance and legally build and launch this, but by yourself.
>>12650265Probably had to cut coffee breaks to only five per day as well.RIP you humble workers of pen and paper, the future generations of space people will never forget your noble sacrifice
>>12649333They've been held back for 1 and half month already.
>Future aliens discover barren Earth due to asteroid impact>Aliens investigate why humanity went instinct without expanding to other planets >FAA cancelled launch permits
>>12649106>18THWhat do these symbols mean?
>>12650444That would get him, Starship, and all of SpaceX literally cancelled.That's why he's getting oil platforms.
>>12650527>3 ton vehicle>3 kg payloadAhhhhhhSpace is hard
>>12650537>Sealand used local radios >Muskland uses Starlink to take over global comms
It’s another>What if Musk just launched anyways XD>He can do whatever he wants with his oil platform, international waters!Thread
>>12650538It's mostly because Earth has a heavy gravity well and thick atmosphere. An orbital rocket would sized much smaller on a planet like Mars.
>>12650540He can launch from the oil platform though.
>>12650540t. FAA
>>12650540Texas tank watchers will speculate over why the tank isn't hopping when it was supposed to.
>>12650545kek
>>12650540Alhamdulilah, FAA, your days are numbered !
>>12650538Dry mass penalties don't scale down well. It's why Starship can be so cheap.
>>12650553Square cube law actually kicks ass when it comes to rockets
>>12650243>hundreds of the thingsI once calculated that with a mass budget of 10 metric tons per square meter of internal habitable area on average you could make enough habitable land to comfortably support a human population measured in the hundreds of billions just out of Phobos alone, and not even use up 70% of the available mass of that rock.
>>12650538Small rockets get hit really hard by structural mass and aero losses in particular.Not to mention that they often use very low efficiency engines.
>>12650368It's probably about optics. We accept plane crashes as an unfortunate statistic due to how infrequently they occur. Rocket explosions are simply more horrifying to the public
>>12650402just roll down the window and throw a bunch of stuff out in the opposite direction
>>12650492Easy if you have a garage, patience, and some money.It's the vans and the swat teams that are the issue. (((They))) really don't want anyone to leave.
>>12650304SRBs just vibe my dude
>>12650527>>12650522What if you attached a small rocket to a weather balloon? Surely you could cut down on some of the fuel costs by launching it from high up.
>>12650565If only there was a team of nations who wanted to get rid of (((them))). An axis of sorts? Ah well.
>>12650556Isn't that assuming a magic Star Trek mass conversion machine?
>>12650373a scientist is smartscientists are stupid
>>12650577the best way to reduce IQ is to put someone in a group
>>12650210If you put the shuttle on top of the stack then you're no longer able to recover the main engines.
>>12650570Post your weather balloon that can lift, at absolute minimum, 3 tons
>>12650577>>12650578Men in Black is a great movie>>12650583Rockoons are a meme. Air launch is literally better
>>12650594Rockoon sounds like a Pokémon name.
Is it possible to land the Electron first stage propulsively? Also, does Rocket Lab have any plans for a larger launch vehicle?
>>126506141) Probably not, or at least it’s not practical. Electron is light enough to be swooped out of the air anyways it’s not like it’s a 45 ton Falcon 9 core.2) So far there’s none. I think RocketLab wants to enter the satellite business instead
>>12650614It’s a small sat launcherReuse losses would remove its ability to teach orbit
>>12650605apparently this is a thinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_City_Trash_Pandas
>>12649978
>>12650614>Also, does Rocket Lab have any plans for a larger launch vehicle?Unfortunately, "Proton" is already taken.
>>12650614electron II: electric boogaloo (again)
>>12650686They should make a top quark rocket
Fuck now I'm confused. Why is the top quark heavier than the other quarks?
>>12650726Just is.That's why it's on top.
>>12650726It's top-heavy.
>>12650735Based incomprehensible Lovecraftian universe
>>12650614>Is it possible to land the Electron first stage propulsively? pretty sure that's impossible for such a small vehicle. Wet-dry fraction can only get so good at that size.
>>12650686Neutron, with an upper stage called Staged Transport with Advanced Reliability
>https://youtu.be/gaJTDvOIXbk?t=539geeze, rs-25 startup is pretty violent
>>12650761No it isn’t All rockets shake on start up
>>12647619Damn, this was the launch site in December 2018. Time really does fly
>>12650540He is not subject to FAA restrictions, only applies in US airspace. Rocketlab doesn't have to deepthroat the FAA to launch in New Zealand. So long as ITAR restrictions are met he can do pretty much whatever the fuck he wants in international waters. That being said the government will probably make some new rules to cockblock him.
>>12650781>So long as ITAR restrictions are met he can do pretty much whatever the fuck he wants in international watersThe UN would raise a bitch fit about a private company testing what is essentially an ICBM in international waters. And sure, it's just the UN, but there would still be problems.
>>12650793Kill the UN
>>12650540>muh ITARIf it got that bad Musk could leave the US and find new employees and/or pay for his current employees to leave with himcheckmate faggots
>>12650794I'll do it from the moon, it may take me a while to get there though
>>12650803Inb4 Chinese SpaceX after America goes South Africa
>>12650399>From surface to space.H A B B E N I N
>>12650399We're going.
>>12650574Nope, it's assuming you're building your cylinders out of a relatively thin airtight liner (ie steel bottle) and getting the tensile strength it needs by wrapping it in basalt fiber (Phobos is mostly basaltic rock from what we can tell, which you turn into fibers by melting and extruding through a thing). Water and nitrogen stuff can come from elsewhere but that would make up maybe 1% of the mass of the combined habitats so it's not that big a problem, plus you can actually just sent those habitats out to somewhere else to get filled up where they'll be more useful (for example, into a high Jupiter or Saturn orbit).
>>12650697fag culture has ruined top and bottom quarks for me
>>12650834>billions of tons can just come from somewhere else, no bigge
>>12650774Yeah it is though, no other rocket engine shakes nearly as hard as RS-25. It's because of how over expanded its nozzle is.
>>12650838When that somewhere else is a gas giant, yes.
>>12650838There's like a gorillobintroglion tons of ice just loitering around out there
>>12650492Minimum necessary mone is probably five million give or take, and depending on how prepared ahead of time you are and how good your team and equipment is, probably a minimum of five years work, assuming you don't encounter any major hiccups. You're aiming for a rocket around the size of Atlas D, so 25-35m tall, 2.5-3m wide, with a total thrust of around 2000kN. Copenhagen Sub's Spica rocket looks like it's going to run them 1.5-2 million US, but even if your capsule is even smaller than Mercury your rocket is probably going to be twice the size at least and more than twice the cost.
>>12650399Cool, I might get a birthday hop
HOP ON TUESDAY, CONFIRMED BY DADDY MUSK?
Wernher was right again!>A Congressional investigation in June 1962 called the overall management of the Centaur program "weak," and Wernher von Braun recommended that it be cancelled in favor of a Saturn I with an Agena upper stage for planetary missions. The Congressional committee was headed by Representative Joseph Karth (D-Minnesota), who expressed his opinion that Centaur was a useless project.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas-Centaur
>The Gnome detonation created a cavity about 170 ft (52 m) wide and almost 90 ft (27 m) high with a floor of melted rock and salt. So in less than a second, a 3 kilotonne baby pocket nuke makes a giant cave with ~1.4 cubic kilometres of space. Imagine what a few megatonnes would do and how many warheads you could fit on a starship. Why would you bother making pressurised rad proof space any other way? One fucking nuke could give you the volume that would take decades and countless amounts of dollars to build.
>>12650897>Detonate giant bomb underground>Roof caves in>You made a sinkhole!>????>Profit!
>>12650863You are on the TFR council, but we do not grant you the rank of FAA approved flight test. Take a seat, young Starship.
>>12650887von Based, FUCK shittaur.
>>12650887If it ain't broke don't fix it I guess. I wonder what Von Braun would have done if given unlimited funds for an upper stage. Probably some nuclear shit or something lol
>>12650904It's a matter of selecting the correct medium, as you can see this particular test did not result in that. If you wanted to be extra sure it won't fall in later you could shore the roof for minimal materials and work compared to any other kind of habitat structure.
>>12650887Why the fuck does hydrogen always come with so many problems and government mismanagement. Just make a tank with UDMH and nitric acid and throw an engine on it, it's that easy
>>12650921>Just make a tank with UDMH and nitric acid and throw an engine on it, it's that easyThat's basically what Agena was.
>>12650897>~1.4 cubic kilometres of spaceAre you that one anon who didn't understand that the term "cubic kilometer" means a cube that is a kilometer long on all sides?
>>12650921But muh isp
>>12650897>[imagine] many warheads you could fit on a starshipImagine trying to get the FAA to approve THIS flight lmao
>>12650924Oh god people remember my fuckup from several months ago still
>>12650923Yeah that's what I was alluding to, it WAS agena>>12650925Chasing isp with no concern for the other factors like tank size and fuel leakage was the dumbest rabbit hole the government ever fell into, besides maybe SSTO's. They might as well have been chasing unicorns
>>12650928the first stop on the trip IS the FAA
Why are rockets in the modern day so quick to throw foam on the outside (especially the Shittle, which ultimately cost the lives of astronauts). Saturn S-IVB got away with using foam INSIDE the tank. Why is that not done nowadays?
>>12650916>. I wonder what Von Braun would have done if given unlimited funds for an upper stage. Probably some nuclear shit or something lolSaturn V based NERVA orbital ferry stages, iirc.
I just know that the "surface to space" parameter of the flight is so they don't get a violation for an engine failing to cut off or something. Elon had to tell them it's a fucking test rocket and anything can happen
>>12650939The foam has to be on the outside for hydrogen tanks. It's one of many reason hydrogen propellant is retarded.
>>12650941We didn't deserve him
>>12650944>Oops looks like your rocket hit 12,501 meters>No launch license for you>Space is hard>:)
>>12650953The wrong side won the war. Everything between Paperclip era NASA and SpaceX was awful.
>>12650928>Why yes we have loaded a starship with a cumulative total of 500 megatonnes worth of warheads>If you don't give us permission we'll just drop it on your fucking office
>>12650957NASA stopped being Kino when challenger blew up. The first few shuttle flights were based
>>12650955damn, young Elon is ugly
NEW THREAD NIGGERS!!!!!!
> 1969 - Montgomery seals a time capsule to mark its 150th anniversary - to be opened in 2019 on the 200th anniversary>2019 - time capsule opened, letter from Wernher von Braun inside. Transcription:After the turn of the century, when this time capsule will be opened, space exploration will have advanced to a degree unforseen in these opening years of space flight. It is our fondest hope that space advancements follow the trend that we attempted to establish in the 1960's and are directed toward the benefit of mankind and toward the uplifting of all earth's people.Sincerely yours,[signature]Wernher von BraunDirector
>>12650981no
>>12650984I'm going to make a new one and you cannot stop me
>>12650982All I can say is, thank the good Lord for SpaceX. Imagine if SLS was the only thing that had "advanced" since Apollo
>>12650982Legitimately makes me sad.
>>12650982:(
Thread has staged.Ignition:>>12651011>>12651011>>12651011
>>12650982Imagine if Hitler had been running the show>1960s>Well done von Braun you put man in the moon, this is some real aryan manifest destiny shit>Here's 1% of the GDP of Europe indefinitely>Make it happen, for Europe>2020>Solar system wide reich
>>12650614No, it wouldn't have the fuel to both land and deliver payload to orbit. The larger the rocket, the more reasonable propulsive landing is.Peter Beck has been noncommittal on whether a larger rocket is in the works lately. In an interview with Eric Berger, he said "if we made another rocket, it would be reusable" (or something to that effect). When NSF asked him about his plans, he replied that he's learned not to say Rocket Lab won't do something, before going on to give a pretty firm "no" to human spaceflight later in the interview. It wouldn't surprise me if one was in the works, but they would either have to scale parachutes to a larger rocket, dump a ton of money into propulsive landing, or build something that glides.
>>12651013>never ever get any nuclear engines because that would be jewish
>>12647932What happened with the extra fuel in the first stage Proton-Light? Did they start chilling the oxidizer and shrink its volume?
>still using rockets in 2021holy fuck when is it gonna stop