/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12645326

Any sign of SN11 moving into the high bay?

>>12645326
Stinky astro gf feet

>>12645333
Pretty sure they're focussing on BN1 now?

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>>12645339

Bros why the fuck isn't Blue Origin cool?

By all means they should have SpaceX's wildcat sensibilities with even more money and autism backing it up but instead they just look like Oldspace 2.0

>>12645381
>hire old space people
>hire old grifters who only know how to do shitty government funded hoppers

And then you get blue origin

>>12645381
>give money and time, ask nothing
>risk-taking, ambitious behavior just happens on its own
Not how it works lmao

Why was he so perfect bros? He was so far ahead of his time, such an adorable softboy on camera, and so handsome...

>>12645381
They're slow and Bezos is crusty, arrogant and generally unlikeable..

F-1 Injector Baffle appreciation thread
http://heroicrelics.org/info/f-1/f-1-injector-baffles.html

>>12645392
>and here’s my rubber tube space station idea

What a genius
Give him a noble peace prize

>>12645395
>are ya winnin', son?

>>12645326
Ah I see the Starship Maximizer has come online. In the same amount of time it took for two starships to come together there will be four, and then after that eight.
Soon all of Earth's usable iron and carbon will be converted into Starships.

>>12645326
is that a shop

>>12645400
i want this in my shower

>>12645381
Probably because bezos has little engineering background as far as I can tell, so he can't "question constraints" like elon always memes about. He even made going slow the company ethos with "step by step, ferociously".

>>12645392
Because he was a nazi scientist.

>>12645419
jeff who seems more interested in things going on in space beyond leo and getting there. i wouldn't be surprised if new glenn is a commercial flop that arrives too late to market and the company refocuses on stations etc using spacex as a launch provider. either that or new glenn was always just a hole to give bezos the ability to yeet shit into orbit but never make any money.

>>12645419
and
>"step by step, ferociously".
is basically ula's mo. the world doesn't need two us based ulas, there isn't the military demand.

>>12645408
Nope real photo

>>12645428

>>12645430
>>12645419
I still hold hope New Armstrong is basically "It's just like Starship" and they suddenly pull it out of their ass two or three years from now since they're so much less interested in PR promotion of their development process.

>>12645433
Not now but when China opens up the gates and is like "aha we have space station now"

>Boca Chica when the FAA finally gives SN9 the greenlight

>>12645438
China hasn't been impressing so far
>invents the Soyuz in 2003
>invents the Salyut in 2011
>plans to invent the Mir by 2025
At this rate they'll invent the Space Shuttle soon and drive themselves into ruin

>>12645440
Love reading the reddit comments by people who have never had to deal with a Fucking bureaucrat before

>>12645437
problem is they have 0 flight hours or experience beyond a fancy sounding rocket and as much as they boomer away with simulations etc they'll be releasing a vehicle that still needs years of actual testing.

>>12645442
waiting for their hypergolic starship clone any day now.

>>12645447
China knows that reusable rockets are a meme. They rely on the proven, time-tested concept of expendable rockets and villages.

>>12645448
i just don't understand this reusable village meme...

Biden won, bros. Spaceflight.... Spaceflight is over.

>tfw you will never shoot grenade launchers on the moon
>tfw your bros will never hold the camera and direct to make you look as badass as possible to impress the hoes when you get back to earth

Why was Apollo so based? They wanted to do seismic testing, and the answer was "bring grenade launchers"

>>12645402
can my dick be a part of injector plate?

>>12645449
A village can be easily rebuilt and repopulated. It's just very cost efficient overall, especially when you can't launch over water.

>>12645450
We'll find out for sure on Monday. It's bullshit that everybody's holding their breath to see what piece of paper comes off a bureaucrat's desk instead of holding their breath to see whether the next rocket explodes, though.

Also if worst comes to worst next week I'm renouncing my fucking US citizenship.

Monday is off the table due to poor weather

Do you think we'll have humans back on the moon by 2040?

What are the chances of it being done by Nasa, China, EU or commercial space companies first?

>>12645450
it was obamas/bidens total lack of fucks given that lead to the commercial programs that allowed spaex to thrive. a fully funded nasa would likely have spacex at the level of rocket lab, sls being the main vehicle reserved for huge cost satellites and govt bs and americans still being sent to the iss by russians.

>>12645457
0 if the FAA keeps fucking with starship

>>12645458
Your point is valid but the question isn't really about NASA or Russia now, the question is about whether SpaceX will be (safely and prosperously) ignored or whether it's been arbitrarily targeted to have the federal Hammer of God smite it

>>12645341
Underrated

Landing on FAAggots WHEN?

>>12645464
ss is so far ahead of the game in terms of vision that the strategic advantage alone would override any wet bs twitter politics by the dem party fringes.
put it in perspective, we're talking about the faa causing (rightly or wrongly) a one week delay in the high altitude testing of what is still essentially a grain silo with engines attached. this coming only two months after one of these vehicles was cleared to launch. anyone predicting this program a decade ago would have been called nuts such is the sheer hollywood type balls to this. and still in any other country on earth this kind of venture would be bound-up forever in red tape and shit.
i'm not agreeing with the faa and we don't know exactly what the hold up is, but given how totally unprecedented this all is you can forgive them a bit for being cautious.

>>12645480
TOO BASED FOR PRIME TIME

>>12645480
>"do you hear that? it sounds like something large and angry falling towards us"

>>12645457
if FAA stops being a bitch, starship will put people back on the moon before 2025

>>12645482
>ss is so far ahead of the game in terms of vision that the strategic advantage alone would override any wet bs twitter politics
Would it really? Keep in mind the tranny soldiers just got let back in, why would "exploring space" be considered any more valuable than "fighting wars" which is apparently also a goal that can easily be discarded for social brownie points

>>12645437
I like the theory that New Armstrong is a New Shepard-style manned reusable lunar excursion vehicle that rides on top of New Glenn and can one-shot it to the Lunar Gateway and also one-shot it from the Lunar Gateway to the lunar surface and back as well.

>>12645480
>Opening shot of the Martian Empire-United Earth Alliance War circa 2050

>>12645480
when will we delete this minecraft server?

Our enemies are laughing at us. You think China gives a fuck to test their upcoming Long March 9? No. It can level entire villages and they will move on. Meanwhile The USA is hindering its own development with paperwork and bureaucracy. "Oh that was an unloicensed landing" "oh you changed your engine Elon? Different vehicle now. Please try again next month".

>At dusk on 8 November, the silhouette of AS-501 faded with the setting sun, but as darkness descended over the Atlantic, Apollo 4 reappeared as a shining white pillar swathed in floodlights on Pad 39. The towering vehicle made a dramatic focal point for the pressures that mounted during the night. The count continued through programmed holds, then through a spate of minor difficulties as the clocks ticked away the minutes and seconds to the scheduled launch time, seven o'clock in the morning of 9 November.

>At only one second past the appointed hour, the Saturn V lifted off the pad, its engine exhaust emitting plumes of stabbing red fire, lighting up the low-lying Cape landscape-an exceedingly dramatic scene in the half-light of dawn. The spectacular flames, billowing exhaust clouds, and the rolling thunder of the engines stunned the onlookers. Dr. William Donn, of Columbia University's Lamont Geological Observatory, at Palisades, New York, reported that the only man-made sounds that exceeded the liftoff noise of the Saturn V were nuclear explosions and added that the only natural sound on record that exceeded the noise of the Saturn V engines was the fall of the Great Siberian Meteorite in 1883. Five and a half kilometers away, in the studio trailer of the Columbia Broadcasting System, the commentary of CBS correspondent Walter Cronkite was all but drowned out by the thunder of Saturn's engines, and Cronkite himself was subjected to a shower of debris shaken loose from the walls and ceiling of his broadcasting booth.

>>12645455
>We'll find out for sure on Monday.
And here we have Biden, on Saturday, hard at work, signing FAA restrictions for Boca Chica.

>>12645457
>Do you think we'll have humans back on the moon by 2040?
Of course.
China is not stopped by the democrats.

>>12644444

>>12645525
Just IMAGINE, Superheavy is going to be twice this powerful.

>>12645337
based

>>12645535
Well, time to shit on STS and SLS I guess

>>12645442
Isn't chinese mir suppose to go up this year?

>>12645494
i just think the "biden will instate communism/trump will instate fascism" shit coming from vocal minorities on the interwebs is so overstated and that most americans just want to see the country do well, which involves exceeding at innovation in space. which is what spacex is.

>>12645493
Really 2025?! 2040 was already a very ambitious date. I'd be extremely surprised if Starship will do a moon flyby before 2030 let alone land people on the moon by 2025.

>>12645548
It doesn't take some extremist fantasy to say Biden doesn't give a shit about space and will simply dismantle SpaceX in a five second decision because some senator or lobbyist told him to

>>12645551
2028 is my guess for DearMoon

>>12645553
Well if he makes the wrong decision and the military doesn't like it they'll just ignore him and say "yeah we got on that, don't you worry."

What will happen first. JWST launch or DearMoon?

>>12645561
lol

>>12645548
Don't even bother man. These kind of extremist populists are lost in a fantasy world that no one can drag them out of. It's extremely sad, but there's nothing we can do. They have to grow out of their pol/lefty-pol phase themselves.
>>12645553
Exactly what I'm talking about.

>>12645553
it's a relatively small yet (in terms of their contract to supply the iss with humans/cargo for the us govt) important company. dismantling a private entity would override so much law and involve years in the courts that it would mean biden really had to -hate- space so much that it was worth the effort. yet like you say he doesn't gaf.

>>12645569
Keystone XL cost more to develop than Falcon Heavy and Starship combined and it went away in five seconds because someone's feelings were hurt.

Any anons know what ESA is getting up to in 2021? JWST is happening, but rosalind franklin and Ariane 6 got delayed.

>>12645337

>>12645575
They're going to lead by example in diversity

>>12645569
As if government agencies like the FAA aren’t filled with “extremist” libtards?

>>12645571
Hmm I am by no means a tinfoil wearing MAGA, but let's just play devils advocate. He COULD tell them private companies aren't allowed to send humans to other planets. All it would take is a relatively big uprising on social media, then those people would demand their local senators talk to Sloppy Joe, and then said people would lobby for Biden to pass laws barring spacex from doing anything involving human landings outside of NASA. Again, devils advocate argument

>>12645571
i've seen far more ire directed to "big-tech" (ie facebook, amazon, google) by the dems in terms of anti-trust legislation than anything to do with space or indeed spacex.

>>12645548
There is no dichotomy though at all, what the establishment government of America wants is a lot closer to communism than weak centrist populism is to fascism. They overtly want a state of affairs where party autocrats basically get to do whatever they want and the average citizen has no say, while the people they've spent half a decade calling fascists want economic and social reform that would have been considered centrist if not slightly left wing ten years ago.
Also it goes without saying, but I think you're fucking delusional if you don't understand just how easily a malicious administration could fuck up space projects, even for private companies. Remember, this is the administration which glibly put twenty thousand citizens straight into unemployment within the first day of taking office just to pander to activists.

>>12645566
nice doubledubs

>>12645571
>>12645583
>>12645582
>>12645589
Yeah, I chose the wrong word saying "dismantle." Not any actual legal constitutionally questionable direct action, the feds could slit SpaceX's throat very easily just through inaction, like they are currently doing.

It can't be dismissed as a paranoid conspiracy theory because it's happening, if anything the burden of proof is on the other hand for it to stop happening, so we'll know for sure on Monday but in the Saturday world we live in team "government are evil cunts that want us to die on this shithole rock" is winning.

>>12645574
Probably because it came to light that lobbying had faked the employment numbers.
>The oil industry has lobbied hard to get KXL built by using false claims, political arm-twisting, and big bucks. When TC Energy said the pipeline would create nearly 119,000 jobs, a State Department report instead concluded the project would require fewer than 2,000 two-year construction jobs and that the number of jobs would hover around 35 after construction.

I don't get. You are against lobbyists in the space industry but support them in the oil industry? It feels like you more have a personal problem with Biden, and are looking to spin anything he does in a negative light.

All I ask is you take your weird conspiracies and hate boner to /pol/ where you can cry about Biden all you want!

>>12645575
ESA haters get THE FUCK OUT

>>12645574
Every time you fill up your car with gasoline you always inevitably spill a few drops on the ground after you take the nozzle out and it drips for a little bit. I bet you if you integrated every progressive liberal across the US who drives a car and fills it up with gas and does this, it would amount to more spilled hydrocarbons in one year than Keystone XL could ever leak in its lifetime. Fucking idiots

>>12645598
I'm going to shit in your fucking mouth next week when the FAA says "lol you still can't take off"

>>12645596
>It can't be dismissed as a paranoid conspiracy theory because it's happening
What a retarded fucking statement. I bet you believe that GME's stock price is being driven by retail investors instead of large hedge funds too.

>>12645603
Keystone XL was going to vastly reduce spillage even in a worst-case scenario because the oil gets exported either way, it just gets exported on train cars and tanker trucks right now, which guess what, spill way more shit than any pipeline ever has.

>>12645598
Infrastructure should never be a fucking political fight
This is why China can build and we can’t
Fuck all democrats

>>12645569
Nah, in literally every case i've ever read or heard of where a country/government/nation developed vocal, violent, opposing extremist factions that both had some degree of popular support; it signaled either a coming civil conflict or a total collapse of that government. You get to a point where enough people (it only really needs to be like 20%ish or so) on either side view the current government as illegitimate or against their interests, and those factions are absolutely unable and unwilling to cooperate, and that's pretty much a death sentence. A country can't recover after that point, it's just a downward spiral as the actions of the extremist factions force people into one camp or the other, like a violent feedback loop ending in civil conflict and anarchy until one faction wins and rewrites the whole fucking system.

The US is unironically and utterly fucked. Extremists on both sides feel like their lives are on the line and even moderates are refusing to cooperate. Shits fucked, and there is no way I know of from historical context (and certainly no way sleepy Joe) can turn a sinking ship around. The next decade is going to be a wild fucking ride.

>>12645598
I'm sorry your dad likes a conspiracy theory you think is nonsense but there's no need to take our your frustration on the rest of /sfg/.
Or mom, whoever it was you said had been 'turned by conspiracy theories' the other day. Whoever it was we don't care.

>>12645583
99% of people even on social media couldn't gaf about space. and that discounts many americans that even if that were to happen, would take a position that it was a positive thing while still being card-carrying democrats.
we're overthinking a one week delay by the faa. if this time next week they're acting shitty i will admit that there is a possible political aspect to the hold up.

>>12645604
>Completely abandons Keystone XL point
LMAO

Also, the FAA has been a pain in the ass since starhopper. This is nothing new you newfaggot.
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/08/faa-spacexs-starhopper-hop/
https://observer.com/2020/12/spacexs-starship-test-launch-cleared-for-friday-liftoff/

>The Federal Aviation Administration on Wednesday cleared a Temporary Flight Restriction for SpaceX’s Boca Chica, Texas launch site, putting the company on track to proceed with a critical test of its newest Starship prototype this weekend.
>However, the TFR was later retracted on Thursday.

Sound familiar?

>>12645457

>Do you think we'll have humans back on the moon by 2040?

SpaceX definitely will land a Lunar Starship before then, SLS is in doubt. China and Russia will definitely land on the Moon before 2050. The dark horse is India due to ISRO being very good but have suffered tremendously with the Coof being around.

>>12645607
Ugh. Anyone who pledges their life to a set of fundamentalist political ideas is braindead and needs to open their mind a lot more. That includes the right too I guess. But it personally annoys me more with progressives - and especially anti-space folks in the name of, quote, "anti-colonialism" (who tf are we trying to colonize? Minerals on other planets?)

>>12645616
>Completely abandons Keystone XL point
I went back to it up here >>12645607
Aside from that I guess I oughta stop posting now because I legitimately want to fucking kill you, and I don't even know who the fuck you are, maybe you're an alright dude in general, which makes me think this dude >>12645610 is really onto something.

>>12645614
Yeah good point. And I'll agree with you on the one week thing. Right now my mindset is "this is bullshit". Come this time next week if there's another miraculous delay I will be more inclined to think "okay something's fuckey here"

>>12645574
the oil industry is hardly the poster boy for poor little company being pushed around by the big evil government.
desu fuck the lot of them, most of which are state owned anyway.

>>12645626
>Give clear example of lobbyiest lying to the government to get money something you claim to oppose
>Uhhhh actually I want to talk about gas spillage!
I can't imagine what life is like being such a low IQ nigger.

>>12645632
Okay, I take back my hesitation about whether you deserve to die or not.

>>12645622
>poo's on the moon
DESIGNATED SHITTING CRATERS
SOLAR SUPER POWER 2200!

>>12645381
If we somehow saw Blue origin launcher tipping over and hugging a wall they would nuke every picture of it happening and sue the photographer and buy more land around the facility to stop further photographing.

>>12645635
>India not using methane for it's rocket fuel
Crime against comedy

>>12645633
Likewise newfag. Guns are fucking cheap in america, I'm begging you to buy one and apply to forehead. The less people like you in the country the better.

You anons are turning on eachother because a few who's are living rent free in your head. Yes it is a problem, but right now the only proof we have is a few delays. Give it more time and then maybe we can actually do something about it if this continues.

>>12645622
I really want India to start competing seriously with China economically. They hate the chinese more than Americans do (sharing a border with them) and they have a weirdly stable democracy.

>>12645640
The only anons freaking out about this are newfags. The same thing happened with SN8.

SpaceX cow farm for sustainable methane harvesting when?

>>12645631
Because the “green” industry is smaller than oil huh

>>12645633
He was doing this shit the other day too, he's super butthurt because members of his family believe things he thinks are false. Lacking any ability to convince them that they are wrong, he takes to /sfg/ to get his rocks off attempting to debate anons regardless of whether they're shitposting or lazily speculating.

I don't think he has any friends, just us. I certainly wouldn't be his friend, look at him.

>>12645582
They aren't. They're filled with old boomers. If you went outside or interacted with any real government agency in your life you would know this.

>>12645648
Holy shit that was brutal

>>12645640
Yeah, lets see if the FAA continues to obstruct SpaceX before jumping to wild conclusions.

Everyone is acting like spoiled baby's because a rocket got (routinely) delayed for a bit. I think SpaceX's rapid iteration testing has everyone spoiled and we all want a hop NOW.

>>12645326
Current state of Starships and whatnot. SN9 and SN10 are at the launch site. SN11 is almost done and needs wings. SN 12 - SN16 just need a few more rings.

>>12645648
>BTFO retarded conspiracy theories about boeing paying off the FAA to block the SN9 hop
>Live so rent free in conspirtards heads they are still crying about me the next day
Feels good man

>>12645635
>>12645638

You can joke all you want and throw meme's around but the fact is that pre-Coof, ISRO was doing very well with the rate of development of its native capabilities of launching stuff into space.

>>12645653
Exactly. From the firsthand quotes I've seen before, I don't doubt that Elon is probably angry right now and riding Shotwell's ass to meet with the FAA and get faster clearance for SN9 and all future launches.

How robust is the Chinese space industry? Western information about it online is very sparse so it's hard for me to find out more about their space industry.

Does China have some sort of outline for their space planning that has been made public or something?

>>12645657
ISRO is about as far as China is, actually it’s insane

>>12645653
We got a huge influx of newfags with the 12km hop. They don't know or care to learn that the FAA did the same thing for starhopper, and every other test flight since.

>>12645655
Now who is creating conspiracy theories?

>>12645575
Nothing special. Ariane 5 has seven planned launches this year, only three scheduled though. Soyuz-2 has noting planned for this year I think because of OneWeb being up in the air. Vega has 8 planned launches, with only one actually scheduled. Fist launch of Vega-C
Most importantly of course is that the European Service Module© WILL fly on Artemis 1 this year

>>12645661
Yeah they want to get boots on the Moon soon. They are preparing to launch a Mir-like station, and they have already shown the ability to actually land on the Moon unlike India which fucked it up. I believe the intent is to have a base there, lead by some geologists who are very very passionate and have the support of the government.

>>12645661
It's pretty well covered up here >>12645442
Shenzhou is Soyuz
Tiangong is Salyut
Tianhe is Mir
Long March 9 (circa 2030) will either be an Energia or a Saturn V

>>12645660
it could turn out to be a positive. if the faa revise rules for flight testing off the back of realising that this isn't the 1960s and the world has moved on from nasa then it its not only good for spacex but any individual or company wanting to try out new ideas.

>>12645657
I meme about DESIGNATED SHITTING ORBITS but honestly the more governments pursuing space the better. I wish ISRO would release more data and images from their Lunar orbiter though.

>>12645661
It's more or less an extension of their military and they keep most things under wraps because it's China. They are kinda doing what the US and USSR were doing in the 60s in that their space flight program is more or less just about testing ICBM parts/rocket tech without admitting it's weapons development. They only release the most broad statements about goals and things, so we know they are planning on launching a space station and eventually attempting a manned moon landing, but nothing beyond that is really known.

>>12645666
ahahaha I bet this sounded really good in your head

>>12645682
There should be leniency for companies like SpaceX and Rocketlab which have shown the ability to get to orbit with minimal, or no space debris. I think even the Electron rocket purposefully makes sure that their debris deorbits quickly.
As for safety, idk what to do about that. It pisses me off that the FAA has taken the angle of "SN8 EXPLODED AND IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT" We just have to hope that Musk can woo them and convince them that he needs to have the ability to explode shit on his own private property whenever he wants for the sake of quick testing

Does anyone have a link to SpaceX's FAA filing that the FAA claims they violated? Can't we easily just read that and compare it with the events of SN8's flight?

So is this FFA thing gonna be solved in a day or two or are we talking about months of delays?

>>12645654
You downloaded the thumbnail.

NET tuesday

>>12645705
It is an absolute mystery. Both scenarios are totally likely and the only answer is hidden in Joe Biden's addled mind.

>>12645705
It was solved in a few days for past launches.

>>12645705
Nobody knows. They have delayed like this before for Hopper and SN8, but that was back when they were mostly doing welds and hops/flights were already slow. Now there's two vehicles waiting to fly. So we will see how complicit the federal asshole agency will be

>>12645703

I think there excuse is that SpaceX failed to do a "detailed investigation of the crash" because apparently crashing a prototype is completely unacceptable without a year long 737MAX style grounding and investigation

>>12645706
So which SN# is going to be the first on a Super Heavy?

>>12645703
The TFR for that day linked on the space tfr twitter gives me a 404

>>12645724
Good question

>>12645695
i get that, but if something had gone really wrong and it had killed someone (lets say that idiot driving on the closed road during the static fire had been doing so during the sn8 flight and a bit of debris had hit his car), then the fallout would have halted testing waaaay longer than what we're now seeing.
the faa will be staffed by many people who love or are at least interested in flight, i'm sure they would like to take a backseat approach but at the end of the day it's the regulatory authority and anything that happened on their watch would land straight at their door first.

>>12645724
my guess is sn15 will be the first orbital vehicle.

>>12645695
No, a government agency should not have the authority to give anyone "leniency"—that's precisely how corruption spirals out of control.

>>12645723
Just pulling at straws, my guess is the "Post operational activities" or the "Mishap Response Program" are the parts of the process that's being a problem.
https://www.faa.gov/space/compliance_monitoring/

>>12645732
Yeah I was just about to say this. I bet there’s a lot of people at the FAA who watch the labpadre stream or what have you. I think even if they personally wanted these prototypes to fly every day, there’s a lot written into the law that they can’t just bypass. Hopefully there will be a push to change the rules (as Elon complained about) to figure it out. Getting those oil rigs done will certainly help—although then it becomes a problem of retards in boats getting too close. Would that then become a NOAA problem?

>>12645706
Will SN15 be the first to have actual legs rather than those place holders.

>>12645743
International waters bitch, Elon could fuel those rockets by combusting 7-year-old Cambodian girls stuffed with black tar heroin

>>12645740

Instead you get countries bogged down by bureaucracy which gets outcompeted by the rest of the world. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a major reason why Europe is so pathetic when it comes to spaceflight.

>>12645740
>>12645743
em dash bros always have good things to say

>>12645732
SpaceX should not need anything more than digital signs in the various crossing locations saying “Launch today, procede at your own risk!”

This is fine when he’s doing one test a month or something, what happens when they want to be doing launches every day to fill Starships in orbit?

>>12645745
It’s not that easy. Even rocket lab has to deal with the FAA and they launch from kiwiland

>>12645745
then back on land the company would face a stiff backfire.
oil rigs operate inside international waters, it doesn't mean bp gets to do what it likes.

>>12645746
>I wouldn't be surprised if this is a major reason why Europe is so pathetic when it comes to spaceflight.
it's exactly the reason. but america is far better than that. why do you think all private space firms worth a shit are us based?

>>12645648
Not him but that hurt my feelings

>>12645752
>what happens when they want to be doing launches every day to fill Starships in orbit?
presumably by that point they will have negotiated and bought the entire surrounding area so there will be no public road or boat boomers to worry about.

>>12645760
>public beaches
>national parks
>the rio grande
>areas that flood every time a hurricane hits

The government doesn’t sell that shit

>>12645703
here you go m8
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/licenses_permits/media/Final_%20License%20and%20Orders%20SpaceX%20Starship%20Prototype%20LRLO%2020-119)lliu1.pdf

>>12645763
Maybe he should pull a 2000 IQ move and lobby for NASA to just federalize the land, turn it into a the Eyes Wallow Come NASA Complex for Climate Research and ecology studies. That way they can close the beach and roads and tell boomers to fuck off

>>12645763
how does cape canaveral deal with it?

>>12645769
Miguel G. NASA Complex for Deep Space Manufacturing and SpaceX launches

>>12645754
That's because New Zealand asked for the FAA to operate over their airspace. I forgot the exact reason but basically the Kiwis don't have to pay for their own aviation authority, they just let the US do it in the form of the FAA.

>>12645759
He deserved it but you probably don't fren.

The discrimination suit is a joke because according the spaceX reddit there was a similar case that went to the supreme court, and the sc Judges ruled 9-0 in favor of the company that was being sued for "discrimination".

No way in hell will the Judges let Chinese nationals get hired into an entity like SpaceX. Oh man, imagine if SpaceX went to the moon & back before this suit was even created to have the nation high on nationalism.

The events of recent weeks should have made clear to us all that playing by the rules doesn't work when they own the game. Elon, you must proceed with force. You are already in Texas with a governor who can be persuaded. There is no peaceful solution. This ends only when you say it does.

>>12645801
Nice shot!
>>12645803
Okay

>>12645803
>larping in sfg

>>12645648
that's such a brutal post I'm going to be his emergency friend

Wow, big rockets

Exclusive pic of Biden, hard at work today.

So SpaceX is over party, China is our only hope for human exploration?!

The deep state is very real. The question is, can you play around with unprecedented technology that will enable America to survive off the planet Earth and escape with your balls?

>>12645638
>India has announced a new booster rocket engine that runs on a unique fuel in the aerospace industry; methanothiol.
>"We like (the hydrocarbon) because of its unique combination of high density, greater than that of kerosene, and it's natural abundance here in India", Pajeet Patel said.
>Several methanothiol capture plants are under construction across the country with the goal of securing at least 20% of the organically-produced chemical by filtering it out of the river water in those areas.
>He went on to add, "With this powerful and economic fuel, India will surely become a superpower in the space launch sector by 2030".
>When we asked Patel about there being any connection between India's choice to work with the unusual chemical and the volume of street shidding that occurs in the region, he declined to comment.

>>12645848
kek

>>12645660
>I don't doubt that Elon is probably angry right now and riding Shotwell's ass
A good hatefuck improves everyone's mood

>>12645716
I don't know shit about shit but I suspect the way this goes is bureaucracies power trip as much as possible and redline you for the slightest infraction to prove that they are in charge, the response won't be proportional. The longer a bureaucracy goes on, the worse it gets. Employees become bitter because they are constrained by the rules and incompetence of superiors themselves, develop compassion fatigue, and take it out on anyone that needs something from them. They are especially jealous of people who are completely free and don't usually answer to anyone, like billionaire entrepreneurs.

It's so bad that we've seen wannabe bureaucrats on twitter that get second hand pleasure from denying elon the flight. It's either contagious or there is no cure once you leave a bureaucratic environment.

>>12645849
I would unironically bet on India before the chinky chinaman preserve

>>12645732
Do we even know if this is a safety violation though? If the roads were blocked and they didn't launch when a plane or boat could possibly enter the area by mistake, what's the hold up?

>>12645854
topkek

>>12645732
>the faa will be staffed by many people who love or are at least interested in flight, i'm sure they would like to take a backseat approach
OH NO
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>>12645450
Whitey on the moon is oppressive to blacks, women and trannies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

>>12645338
I guess it is so... it would be amazing to see BN1 flying in parallel with SN10 / SN11.
The next months will be amazing if Biden doesn't block everything to save oldspace companies

>>12645740
Actually corruption starts because the do-gooders at the start of the agency are eventually replaced by members of the industry or aspire to become members of the industry. Corruption isn't just breaking the rules, it's the "regulated" party making the rules themselves. After that starts happening, the in-group gets leniency and the out-group gets policed. In recent history you can see how the SEC ignores institutional investors and flips the fuck out when retail is making a score.

>>12645392
you're that tranny that fantasized every day of being fucked by Von Braun, right?

>>12645884
How you gonna hustle on the moon baka

>>12645858
What setting on the Elon anger meter? We're not yet at "South African Childhood" but above "Grimes Burned Dinner"

>>12645896
>sitting in my rover on the moon, on my daily commute to the bio hab sphere
>red light at the rover crossing between the starship port and the admin sphere
>some negro in a 40 y/o space suit bounces up to me and starts begging for any spare bitcoin or Elonbucks I can give him
Nothing ever changes I tell ya

>>12645392
Because he was inspired as a child, and had the fortunate (albeit unusual) setting to study rockets, build rockets, and eventually migrate to the world's largest superpower and REALLY build rockets.

>>12645893
Not fucked, held gently.

>>12645916
Good to see you are still with us. Your beliefs are strange but I will not judge

>>12645801
So what exactly do the tiles do, see what happens when the tanks are pressurized and cold?

>>12645923
They're just practicing assembly techniques before a real orbital flight

>>12645848
I doubt he has any idea what he is even signing

>>12645923
Gotta test if they stick or move or something

>>12645923
That and you can see how many fall off/break during the flop, even get some preliminary data on how air resistance affects them, etc.

So is SN10 just out there for pressure testing since it doesn't have engines yet?

>>12645480
never. Spacex would be dead and finished if they did that.

>>12645896
hustle postage stamps

>>12645932
They have to pressure test all new ships before they fit the engines.

>>12645932
Cryoproofing, yeah. Good on SpaceX though for being unwilling to sit with their thumbs up their asses waiting for the FAA to finish eating crayons. Cryoproof needs to happen anyway, may as well happen while SN9 gets sorted out.

>>12645946
Didn't SN9 come out of the VAB with engines tho?

>>12645854
>thiol
are they fucking retarded? is pollution and toxicity not a concert for these poos?

>>12645950
SHUT UP!!

>>12645854
>thiol
are they fucking retarded? is pollution and toxicity not a concern for these poos?

>>12645950
AHA!

>>12645744
It might be, though last I heard they hadn't even decided yet, and by then I think SN15 was under construction. If they haven't figured it out yet, then that should be a top priority.

>>12645936
It's called satire, comrade. Art of the days long gone.

>>12645950
They might have removed them for the pressure test

So i just read a news article claiming spaceX broke FAA rules last month with SN8, something about it exploding while landing...
The fuck, what do these FAA fuckers not understand about test flights.

Only the government is allowed to do aerospace testing and occasionally kill its pilots or blow things up.

okay but what if the car started in sudan and u have to be stanky to go that far?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJFsLNsdu2c
RGV live

>>12645984
But muh public safety!

>>12645989
HELL YEAH

>>12645955
>is pollution and toxicity not a concern for these poos?
No, God no. if there is anything poos don't care about it's pollution

>>12645936
Actually the shit show would begin when SpaceX goes to the moon & back for the 2nd time with the same rocket in a month or so after the first launch.

You don't want to be the executive at Boeing, Airbus, and Lockheed's earnings share holder meeting to deliver the message that everything is fine.

I can see it going down like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK3yuxrmCac

>>12645993
Why do they even bother with washing if they are going to come out shitier then before?

>>12645993
Wtf why, why. Why???

If we don't hop soon, I'm going to say some VERY mean things here and you'll probably cry.

maybe having rocket tests near a tourist town, port, wildlife refuge, and international border wasn't such a good idea after all

>>12646001
>>12646005
Hindus think the water of the Ganges is holy or whatever, washing yourself in it cleans you better than any soap ever could. Even if it's among the most polluted rivers in the world

>>12646008
Well it won't be so bad if Starship can singlehandedly start its own economy, and SpaceX can do shit like carbon capture and switch all their vehicles to Teslas running with zero emissions. In that case it would be better to have a tourist town, port, wildlife refuge, and so on. Only problem is that the area shouldering them is all public land so you will always have the boomers and BOI texans ruining shit. Hopefully this will be alleviated by sea launches and help from the government

>>12645984
It might be the case but as far as I know that's just speculation. The FAA isn't being clear on what condition SpaceX broke exactly.

>>12646014
You would think that they would take more care of their holy river.

>>12646008
A reasonable, simple, and easy to follow explanation for the delays? No, it must be the deep state!

>>12646028
I hope you at least get paid.

>>12646028
only enough milk in my fridge for one cup of coffee this morning. must be israel.

>>12646016
>>carbon capture
HAHA nice meme!
https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/22/22245363/spacex-texas-oil-company-drill-natural-gas-lone-star

>>12646016
>day one on the job welding another starship
>receive complimentary cybertruck
That doesn't too bad

>>12646039
>milk in coffee
Titus, get the cross

>>12646045
instant coffee too. granules, milk, boiling water.

>>12646041
Hey Musk himself said he wants the company to be carbon neutral. Not promoting anything or trying to lie. And they want to drill for methane, aka fuel for their rocket. Extracting methane has nothing to do with carbon capture

>>12646039
The only thing you're allowed to add to coffee is whiskey

>>12646049
I use instant coffee but I do not dare spoil it with milk. Go dark or switch to caffeinated söylent

>>12646041
I wonder if talking about carbon capture at the same time they were trying to get those wells was to stem off some of the bad press that comes with drilling.
Though it would be useful to start work on carbon capture and fuel synthesis anyway for Mars

>>12646056
There are various kinds of liquors for coffee that are great too.

>>12645381
Because Jeff Bezos is legitimately a bit stupid. He has no concept of working your way up to something and his main goal is to go straight for giant O'Neill cylinders. He really should've just skipped trying to make his own rockets and worked with Elon to put up a smaller spin-gravity station into orbit for testing. After that work on material engineering, on the ground testing, and production to prepare for Starship and have something ready out the gate when Starship becomes available. After that he could really work on putting some much bigger spin-gravity stations into orbit.
Though that's not why I say he's a bit stupid, to be fair just a few years ago Starship was radically different and basically a pipe dream. Why I say he's a bit stupid is because he's one of the many people who thought the moral of the story was "slow and steady wins the race." This really is like something straight out of a story where Musk and Bezos are the antithesis of each other like protagonist and antagonist. Elon understood the moral of the story was to not let your hubris get the better of you or else it will destroy you.

>>12646057
>spoil
it's january. a bitter milky warm drink is what you need at 6am.

>>12646067
>slow and steady wins the race
is a fable and has applied to no company that doesn't exist in a monopoly or quasi-monopoly situation ever.

>>12646080
Certainly doesn’t apply to a subject like Space where disruptive innovation has to happen in every aspect of the industry

>>12646080
Well tell that to Jeff. He seems to be under the assumption that you win contracts with powerpoints and concept art, and that there's a direct correlation between obtaining contracts and instantly having launch capabilities. The idea of having to test and put in the hard work each day escapes him

>>12646006
C'mon anon, don't keep us waiting, tell us how you really feel.

>>12646080
It's nonsense of why we're 60 years stuck in the past with NASA.

Even if the SLS was in operation today it would made zero progress toward making space accessible to more people and business.

It's likely the SLS program would have continued for another 20 years while becoming more expensive over time.

>>12646084
he thinks he can be ula 2. but there is only just about the need for ula 1. so he needs to step up or fuck off.

>>12646090
Good way to put it desu

>>12646067
BO is older than spacex though and much much older than any starship concept. otherwise you are obviously right

>>12646073
For me, it's black with a shot of Kahlua

>>12646092
I just can't fathom the fact that they are older, and their main priority still seems to be New Shepherd. The fact that they haven't even gone ORBITAL yet is insane

New elon interview coming soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAWsNr8BAiY

>>12646100
>Virgin managed to go orbital before BO
Honestly didn't see it coming. What the fuck is BO doing?

>>12645480
Is that really how big SN8 is? Those engines look like they're size of cars.

>>12646100
They hired hopper grifters
There has been tons of essentially rocket hobbyists who only compete for NASA prizes
There’s a big jump between hand making a couple hoppers to launch somewhere in the desert compared to actually trying to reach orbit

>>12646067
>He really should've just skipped trying to make his own rockets and worked with Elon to put up a smaller spin-gravity station into orbit for testing.

Man this, we should get his ex-wife to command him to do that

>>12646109
Anon....

>>12645551
You're assuming SpaceX moves at old space speed (they don't)

>>12646090
If Russia was smart they would pivot away from building rockets to being one of the first on the scene with colonizing equipment to sell.

Do things like pitching to launch the equivalent of the CES trade show for space colonization.

NASA canceled this to free up money for bullshit like a space telescope.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=8364.40

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifuge_Accommodations_Module

>>12646109
Kek just give it some more thought anon

>>12646067
>Why I say he's a bit stupid is because he's one of the many people who thought the moral of the story was "slow and steady wins the race."

Were there even examples of fast space failing? Did he see virgin's space plane disintegrate and say "yup they went too fast"

>>12646122
And then the bureaucrats crawling up virgins ass because the copilot pushes the “destroy the aircraft now” button which is unsafe or something

>>12646103
Yeah, get in line Sandy

>>12646119
in my head i compare spacex with for the sake of argument lets say ford. so you have a company that is building space trucks, vehicles that have the ability to transport tons of equipment to leo and beyond. you don't ask of ford "oh so you can transport 100 tons of shit to mars, how would you solve the problem of creating an iron ore smelter once there". you build a company around solving that issue using this new service. i think thats where so many people are currently going wrong. they expect "space" to be a unified solution rather than the anarchic free for all that any other human endeavour has been.

>>12645763
>>12645769
>>12645774
>>12645752
Its simple, off shore launch sites. Thats been the plan since literally forever. Are you all newfags or something?

>>12645916

>>12645341
>Oh? You’re approaching me?

>>12646134
It's because they want a centrally planned society.

>>12646137
International waters doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want. Why do you people keep pushing this angle, like as if suddenly all of his problems will be alleviated just because he tugged an oil rig a few kilometers out to sea

>>12646142
>Oh it's so wondrous
>Look don't touch
Fucking Saganites, I swear

>>12646149

It's not just dipshits on twitter. When Musk goes to space wall street will move away from social media stocks to aerospace.

>>12646142
the old "seized drugs were worth 500 million" line
yea, at street prices. so 1/4 that.
a quintillion dollar rock (i'm guessing with precious metals inside) would only drive the price of gold etc down to the level of pig iron, so the nasty businessmen wouldn't make anything like that suggests and humanity would benefit from having access to cheap, formally rare, substances.

>>12646160
I ain't reading all that, and also you are a fool to believe wall street would just pick up their bags and jump ship immediately. Even if Starship can do all that it is promising.

>>12646114
>>12646120
spoonfeed me plz im a retard

>>12646170
the engines are the size of cars.

>>12646147
It doesn't mean he gets to do whatever he wants but it eliminates most of the problems since there is literally nobody there for the FAA to "protect".

Why are men these days acting like 14 year olds?

>>12646142
I'm so disenchanted that I believe if space jews were getting the 10 guintillion shekels she would 180 on her position

>>12646160
the number of publicly traded space companies worth buying is sorely limited right now

>>12646181
To be fair he probably made my salary in one month of scrubs.

>>12646147
never

ever

conquered

>>12646180
>He doesn't know boats exist

>>12646191
An exclusion zone is easy at the ocean compared to “public access” parks

>>12646181
Social media.
>women can get at least a miniscule bit of attention from gigachads all over the world as soon as they grow tits so they never develop a reasonable assessment of their own worth
>this means a huge portion of guys go without sex because women see them as unworthy
>without having sexual competition shape their behavior men continue to act like 14 year olds

>>12646191
Boats exist but when you're out dozens of miles off the shore there aren't nearly as many boats as cars

>>12646181
I love the way Tim looks on the left
The perfect combination of geekiness with pic related

>>12646180
beyond hopping it's largely to do with leo activity. view it as an extension of multinational flight rules.

>>12646165
>find and access gold asteroid
>suddenly gold on earth is worth almost nothing
>banks on suicide watch
you know why they don't actuallly want this to happen

>>12646193
>>12646196
Yeah I don't disagree that it will make things easier, but what I'm trying to say is that you will still have to deal with the fucking regulations. Those aren't going away.

This general talking about things other then space is making me realize how retarded you all are.

>>12646189
Yes but at least you're not a virgin.

>>12646195
Based

>>12646206
neither is Tim

>>12646201
any discussion that doesn't involve almost north korean levels of restrictions on private space travel renders urf nation-states basically useless.
a 300 year old concept that is held dearly by near everyone rendered basically useless but one we're fast moving away from.

R8 this terraforming scheme for Venus

>>12645083
>Tbf i still don't like Space Force, i prefer something like Space Corps, even Astro Force would've been better
It is Space Corps but Trump demanded that they change the name to Space Force.

>>12645131
>Orbit Guard
Why do you think they call themselves Guardians?

>>12646206
Not yet at least

>>12646213
Focusing a planet sized chunk of solar wind in one spot will turn it into a weapons grade particle beam that reacts with the atmosphere entirely on its own. You can skip the atmospheric platform.

>>12646189
you were in scrubs?

>>12646206
dude was married at one point anon

he is also on a first name basis with elon and jim

u can dislike him if u want but they way you're going on about it seems kinda like jealousy.

>>12646213
See >>12646220
What you've done is create a laser to strip the atmosphere of Venus down to acceptable levels.
Partially related: If we blocked all sunlight from getting to Venus would the atmosphere just freeze?

>>12645794
It's an H-1B. It's all over Indian news.

>>12646142
Why would the quintillion asteroid be one of the kind? There are millions of asteroids up there, most are just useless rocks, but if even 10% hold useful material, that's still thousands of asteroids.

based Elon
scammers eternally BTFO

>>12646140
>I can't blow you up without getting closer.

>>12646227

>>12646227
>Why would the quintillion asteroid be one of the kind?
shape etc. follow it out to it's logical conclusion every time you walk in snow you're destroying the uniqueness on nature.

>>12646196
if you're dozens of miles out at sea there's probably no cars at all

>>12646227
She's a Jew and Marx is a Jesus for the Jews.

>>12646234
Go back

>>12646225
Really what it needs is hydrogen to react with CO2 so it can have water and a magnetic field to keep it there, it will mostly take care of itself once plants firmly establish themselves on the surface
Then cities can use superheavies to send excess nitrogen in the atmosphere to Mars to help them out

>>12646240
These screen shots are from a folder of mine. The theme of the folder is that of commies who're outraged that Space is not going to be a communist utopia.

>>12646248
I hate commies and that sounds like a massive waste of time on irrelevant internet losers.

>>12646241
>Really what it needs is hydrogen
Solar wind is largely free protons and electrons.

If Starship works expect big terrestrial mining players to start investing in asteroid mining in a big way. 2 million to chuck up 150 tons=a viable path to harvesting NEAs within a decade

>>12646248
Kek

>>12646254
Asteroid mining is a retarded meme

>>12646253
Yes, once they cool down enough to become neutral, they become hydrogen

>>12646248
that math is.. too obviously off for it to be real

>>12646223
Imagine being married, yet still a virgin.

>>12646261
85 median IQ rides again.

>>12646254
Asteroid mining falls apart to the rocket equation.

>>12646241
Would it be a mistake to try and destroy the atmosphere when you could use it for industry?

Also why Venus when even if we do clean up it's atmosphere it's going to be another Mars at best?

Shouldn't we focus on capping a Martian canyon to build an atmosphere within it so you could have settlements within the sides of the canyon while building on the bottom of it as well?

You could for instance put the dirty industry within the sides of the canyon, while the bottom of the canyon would be green and for public space.

With a crater you could use it as a ;lobby, then tunnel into the sides of the canyon like a spider web.

>>12646258
Not at all. If you pursue high-value precious netals and don't flood the market it makes perfect financial sense if you have access to a cheap launch service.

>>12646268
Not for use in space construction. It's only dumb trying to bring asteroid metals down a planetary gravity well.

>>12646270
Venus has most the material there to become a full earth, it just has too much of it
Once you be able to build on the surface, you could send LN2 to Mars for their terraforming project

>>12646273
>Space construction
>Not in a planetary gravity well
So no where useful. Got it.

>>12646268
>>12646273
you slow boat stuff like metals by pushing it away with a rocket that then detaches and flys back to the mining outpost. the refined metal is just chilling in a capsule for a year or two and then it reenters the atmosphere and deploys parachutes

>>12646271
Nothing is going to be more common in asteroids than on earth

>>12646270
>Also why Venus when even if we do clean up it's atmosphere it's going to be another Mars at best?
Higher solar flux and ~1g make it very attractive for colonization. Zero risk of jellobabies and less need for nuclear power.

>>12646286
Iridium

>>12646286
>Nothing is going to be more common in asteroids than on earth
lmao retard

>>12646286
depends on where you are.

>>12646170
No

>>12646270

IIRC, the Venusian atmosphere is so thick that if you solidified it, the materials would form a layer tens of kilometres deep; the extra material isn't particularly useful.

Venus does have one major advantage over Mars which is near-Earth levels of gravity, and that's the one problem Mars has that can't be terraformed away, even with advanced technology.

>>12646023
Problem is where would you put all the garbage a hundred million people produce when most of them are poor as shit and cant afford to pay for waste management.

>>12646302
terraforming is a meme. dyson swarms are more efficient.

>>12646309
>Problem is where would you put all the garbage a hundred million people produce when most of them are poor as shit and cant afford to pay for waste management.
Do what everyone else does and drop it on the Chinese.

>>12645408
Woah is that real?

>>12646268

If you can make fuel out there that's not a huge issue, and there is ice out in the asteroid belt so you should be able to use Hydrolox rockets sustainably at least. still not going to economical for generations imo.

>>12646251
>>12646261

I'm not spending hours every day seeking out the commies. I just screen shot them when I randomly come across them.

For instance check out this dipshit, look at how he uses language "Rich people are not exempt from regulation." *Adults are now back in charge" "His approach to the commons".

>>12646001
>>12646005
It's also a custom to have dead people float through the river so you are washing yourself if literal shit and bodies

>>12646320
Musk is going to change the game with inflight refueling. Suddenly you don't need Saturn 5 sized rockets.

It's going to be like EVs, you need to spend a crazy amount of dollars to develop a ICE engine that meets the demand of the market & regulatory bodies such as emissions and CAFE standards. With an electrical motor you don't have to worry about idling where ICE engines require technology such as individual cylinder shut off technology..

>>12646322
>Liberal
Every. Time.

>>12646310
>terraforming is a meme
the start of a controlled terraforming process will be possible in 50 years and last less than 100 years for a planet like Mars.

>>12646320
yeah i have no idea why people are so black pilled on asterid mining with starship getting built and us finding water ice all over the place. once u get proper fountry and manufacturing tech in space u can do crazy shit as well as mining. if we can start prospecting for uranium we can make nuclear tugs that make everything way more efficient

>>12645435
yea but that fullmoon is 10x the normal size amirite?

>>12646333
checked, based and truthpilled

>>12646322
My favorite part is he's getting more regulatory scrutiny not because he's breaking the rules, safety issues, sharing airspace, etc, but because "various bodies" are concerned about the privatization of space. He's admitting that it's political.

>>12646322
>faa provides a valuable service
agreed
>rich people are not exempt from rules
also agreed
>musk will face scrutiny
if it's inline with law then fine
>space is the commons
full retard

>HULLO
I'm stargazing (8 inch dobsonian), listening to Hatsune Miku, jerking my useless dick to Muskos newest invention.

>*dab*
>*dab*
>*dab*

>>12646238
There might be a few, you never know.

>>12646335
y tho
just rape it for resources and build colonies that humans actual like.

>>12646201
>banks using gold as their reserve currency
You really don't know shit the amount of banks that use gold falls everyday. Nearly all of them use the American dollar, hell Canada doesn't have any gold left after they sold it all to pay for their welfare programs
It will still be a very long time before gold extraction in space starts to effect the gold price, and even when it does it will probably still have a lower inflation rate than the dollar

Space is for the rich. They should nationalize SpaceX and dissolve them. We can't have the rich from feeling to space. We need the money they stole from us back to feed the hungry/poor blacks and latinos.

>>12646333
They're a combination of green peace & butt hurt that the government is no longer to be able to act like a gate keeper for space. What nobody wants to talk about is how in Star Trek the galactic government's economy is basically a company store where you can only use company money to buy stuff.


BTW Green peace in Germany has announce that they're drilling for natural gas. I'm subbed to a pro-nuclear energy reddit with my banned account.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nuclear/comments/l6w276/greenpeace_energy_in_germany_now_sells_natural_gas/


Universities have artificially kept a shortage to drive up college education costs by not expanding teaching capacity. They have as much teaching capacity in the year 2020 as they did in the early 2000s even though the universities have raked in trillions of dollars.

>>12646332
Starship is larger then Saturn V anon

>>12646348
What's scott going to do when he has to choose between private space and "progress"ivism, also known as no space and space environmentalism

>>12646363
I thought I told you, old man.
>listen to Hatsune Miku, jerking his useless dick to Muskos newest invention.

>>12646354
poor bait and ironic given musk is a pro-UBI guy who thinks AI has the potential to create fully automated luxury gay space communism (or a dystopic massacre)

can someone explain this "the rich want to escape into space" meme? like don't these people know that even musk himself wants to go to mars in the late 2030s? it's going to b a rough dangerous frontier for a loooong time-why would most rich people do that?

>>12646350
like for example? a meme O'Neill cylinder?

>>12646370
>musk is a pro-UBI guy
anon I don't know if you understand... but soon the choice will be between UBI or something similar and a total collapse of civilization followed by a new dark age

>>12646350
>Not wanting to practice being a worldbuilder empire
Fag

>>12646372
billions of them.

>>12646354
I wish nasa would release video of astronauts taking a shit in a vacuum cleaner instead of doing backflips and playing with water bubbles so this conception that space is luxurious would die. Right now it's like being crammed in a submarine, except with more rules and a clipboard up your ass so you can log every piss you take.

>>12646361
Yes, but it also gets 150 tons from Earth to LEO. In flight refueling means you can do much smaller rockets for inter-orbital.

Truck delivering the H3 rocket in Japan had a tire blowout. Not sure if the rocket is okay or not.
https://twitter.com/NVSreporter/status/1355574639477485568

>>12646391
The H3 is Japan's newest rocket and this is supposed to be it's first flight.

>>12646359
star trek has been on its way out as the idyllic space civilization

>>12646384
You forgot to mention the 5-6 hours of sleep a night, shitty bland food that eternally tastes like cardboard, constant droning of the air machinery making you go deaf, the bone dry air, showering is basically just a sponge bath, and you get like 1 hour of "free" time every week for recreation.

The ISS is absolutely not comfy.

>>12646397
>hydrogen first stage
It's probably toast thanks to foam damage.

>>12646391
>>12646397
lmao

>>12646391
>>12646397
rip lol

>>12646370
>can someone explain this "the rich want to escape into space" meme?

We train children to be enchanted with space and smiling astronauts instead of the reality that it's a heartless sea where every physical force is trying to kill you

>>12646361
Yeah but one of the concepts that is floating around is to use a Falcon heavy to send people to the moon.

What I'm saying is that once Musk does space inflight refueling we'll see a push for fuel depots, once that happens it won't be just Musk and ULA going to the moon. Right no you currently have to drive a oil tanker with you, but once we have the fuel depots things are going to like how we drive around with gas stations that you fuel up at.

What I want to see is underground colonies on Mars to house structures such as a a fuel plant where there would be petrochemist flown in to be employed to produce fuel in shifts.

Surplus fuel could be sent to orbiting Martian fuel deports so we could do things off the surface of Mars.

>>12646359
>Universities have artificially kept a shortage to drive up college education costs by not expanding teaching capacity
Also because people capable of earning a doctorate have other options so they'd have to raise wages.

>>12646359
You need to go back. No one cares about your rage baiting. Spend your time doing something productive.

>>12646410
>the reality that it's a heartless sea where every physical force is trying to kill you
so like everything in the universe including earth.

>>12646391
>>12646397

So what happens when a unstoppable object hits an American pothole?

>>12646420
no

>>12646338
telephoto lens

>>12646428
yes

Why are liberals like this?

>>12646448
Why are you reposting literally whoberg reddit comments to 4chan?

>>12646448
What are SpaceX stans like this?

>>12646448
>No the FAA isn't pushing us back
literally the only thing holding back SN9

>>12646450
not that anon, but I really want to keep an eye on space socialists and space environmentalists myself that way I'm not shocked to discover the next clown world in 5 years

>>12646457
>not that anon
Yeah right
>I really want to keep an eye on space socialists and space environmentalists
So go do it yourself, and stop shitting up these threads like it's a 2008 /v/ rage thread.

>>12646448
People like this probably ignore stories like this https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/l8n1jz/some_context_on_the_spacex_faa_regulatoru_feud/glditeq/

>>12646391
>>12646397
That sucks

>>12646459
Shhhhh anon leave it to the experts.

>>12646462
the rocket or the crash?

When the platforms are ready, what's stopping SpaceX from floating their test vehicles to international waters and launching from there?

>>12646472
Storms and shit

>>12646472
This question is the mark of the 80 IQ brianlet. SpaceX needs to operate in the US, it's not like international waters is some darkweb where the US government has no clue what happens. They can't just clearly skirt a US agency and have no repercussions.

>>12646475
why?

>>12646448

>>12646472
They're a US company so they have to follow US rules no matter where they launch. This is why it's important to make the FAA change its ways.

>>12646482
what's stopping them from setting up a subsidiary in a country that'll let them launch, and bring their US built prototypes their?

>>12646479
Because otherwise every business ever would just have a ship they took out every week to break US laws our in international waters. There would be billion dollar industries around recreational drug cruises.

>>12646486
The department of defense

>>12646486
ITAR

>>12646486
ITAR

>>12646481

>>12646488
>>12646490
>>12646492
but they could simply make slightly different parts and patent them under alternative names... right? There's millions of ways to solve an engineering problem...

>>12646505
DoD will pressure the FAA before Musk needs to do anything. They're boomers who lived through the space ages that want to go to space before they die.

>>12646505
SpaceX probably doesn't want to start committing fraud, and breaking international weapons restrictions just to get around the FAA.

>>12646502
How will “liberal gun owners” cope?

>>12646505
I think a rocket is still a rocket even if you call it something else anon. They do not want SpaceX to develop rockets for another country.

>>12646514
>>12646514
"I got my gun, so as long as I'm grandfathered in I'm fine with these restrictions."

"I'm fine with the regulations as long as cops are exempted."

They're like the boomers who want to keep housing expensive because of "their investment".

>>12646505
Thats a great way to have Musk do a suicide by two shots in the back of the head

>>12646505
If they did that, then a US court would find SpaceX guilty of giving ITAR protected designs to a foreign entity and dismantle them completely, as well as seizing their financial assets. The only thing SpaceX could possibly do is start up a company in another country, spend the better part of a decade moving literally all of their assets to that country, putting their finances in a bank that the US can't touch, and then abandoning the US before the government caught on. This would take many years, require thousands of trained employees to agree to move to some other country (probably a shithole) AND they would need to convince all their shareholders to do this incredibly expensive move with zero profit motivation. Not to mention, you would have to pick a country that doesn't have any ties with the US to do this, and arguably all those countries are probably WORSE than the US for getting shit done.

So no, SpaceX isn't going to skirt US law because they are too invested in it already and the US is honestly the best country in the world for them to operate out of even with the headache inducing bureaucracy.

>>12646525
We're 1 year away from Star Ship orbiting. I say don't rock the boat. DoD will want to get a Moon & Mars base up and going to beat everyone else to the punch.

>>12645437
With the current size of New Glenn, there is absolutely zero reason to go wider for New Armstrong. It'll just be a reworked New Glenn using the same production facilities to take advantage of the lessons learned.

>>12646459
The first sentence has so much explanatory power for life questions, it's insane

>>12646481
>>12646502
I'm all for "owning the libs" but you have to keep it space flight related

>>12646557

see

>>12646448


>leave it to the experts or get educated.

>>12646487
And that would be great.

>y-yo gurl..
>wanna have sex to make the babies? huh?

>>12646527
>all those countries are probably WORSE than the US for getting shit done
China?

>>12646527
Space X has not share holders.

>>12646575
spacex absolutely has investors, but they're probably silent shareholders

https://youtu.be/p4ZLysa9Qqg?t=895
>dabs on billionaire losers

>>12646575
this annoys me honestly, my latest investment strategy is to trust my instincts on what is disruptive, paradigm shifting technology. Tesla and bitcoin were still cheap long after you could tell they were on to something and everyone was foaming at the mouth for it. Starlink is an obvious network monopoly with no competitor and they can undercut a complacent ISP industry anywhere on the planet. But I can't buy the stock.

>>12646575
They are actually mostly employees IIRC. SpaceX pay isn't great but they offer excellent stock options to their employees.

Also what >>12646584
said.

SpaceX isn't public but they have shareholders.

>>12646588
The mainstream press fucking seethed when they found out he got the interview

>SCIENCE

>>12646569
how does his autistic ass do it?

>>12646600
If everyday astronaut got #metoo'd would /sfg/ back him?

Post tunes you're going to listen to on Mars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxydKRABUVI

>>12646605
Yes.

>>12646601
1) rich
2) girls respond to mysterious and grandiose personalities, even if your actual depth is complete bullshit. Just don't overshare and explain yourself or what you're interested in, and at the same time make it a much bigger deal than it actually is. TLDR: do what artists do to hustle modern art

Also something something spaceflight

>>12646601

>>12646338
The camera is likely far away from the Starships. The further you get, the smaller things get, but the Moon is so far away yet so large that it stays exactly the same size for all intents and purposes