/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12639588
mfw

We could have had Imperium of Man, but you wanted mexican immigrants
Are you happy?

Right now, Biden voters are happy with the FAA obstructing Starship.

this proves nothing, they just don't believe that starship will work. peddle this shit on youtube

>>12639684
>adults back in charge

>>12639588
I doubt starship will be flying people to space due to old space being jelly and the regulations that will be levied, but falcon 9 is already crew rated. So spacex could fly starship empty with cargo and still destroy old space

Fuck this shit.

>>12639684
My tolerance of these people is rapidly decreasing. It’s a good thing Elon bought those oil rigs because launching from international waters is going to become possibly the only reliable method for starship.

>>12639684
I'm glad to see my screen grab getting exposure. Some other anon objected to it as "twitter garbage" and it is, but this person is totally serious and people need to see it, and understand that this type of person is the enemy of free and great men who would venture into the virgin limitlessness of space in the spirit of their forebears. He is the damned that would claw me back into this terrestrial hell, denying me the limitless possibly of virgin space, simply because it had not been ordained by a committee of bureaucratic midwits. Maybe I'm overdramatizing, but I hate him for it.

To be realistic, Starship likely WON'T carry any people until Biden is voted out/stroked out since they'll need a few years of unmanned service to be sure it's up to the task. The problem is that these political knuckle-draggers are slowing down Starship development in general, at the behest of cost-plus jobs programs.

>>12640054

>>12639588
guarantee it's a negotiating tactic by demoncrats to strong arm a business who isn't far enough under their control.

So... was Biden our spy after all and not Trump?

>>12639588
Elon should move to China or something. Fuck this shithole.

>>12640134
Musk embarrassed them by moving some of his stuff from California to Texas and made clear that it was government fuckery that caused it. They hate him now.

>>12639588
What are they going to do fly to Mars and take it?

>>12640353
More like prevent him from getting there to begin with.

>>12639588
trump is over, you can stop now.

>>12639684
>the commons that is space
and then these people complain when you call them communists

anyway, only earth orbit should be "commons", the rest of outer space is free for the taking

>mfw when giant ads on the moon

>>12640138
>negotiates multi million dollar deal with the CCP for his son
Gee who would’ve saw that coming!

>>12640138
>our spy
Wut

>>12639684
>Have money
>People who want to drag others down try to smother your hard work for no reason
Curious isnt it

>>12640932
>our guy
>our spy

>>12639588

>heavily invested in Ukrainian natural gas industry
>destroys the US natural gas industry week one
>uses his political clout to manipulate markets for his hedge fund buddies
>pic related
most corrupt president in history, but at least the media won't call him a racist

>>12639684
Do I detect a note of schadenfreude from David S. F. Portree?

>>12639684
if true adults were in charge all people like this idiot would be working as potato harvesters in some borderline desert region

>>12640996
Looks like he’s some old faggot who worked at nasa and is now a “writer”/grifter
The type that exclusively blames congress and the military for NASA’s failures

>>12640690
never gonna stop reaching for the stars, comrade

Fuck Biden voters

>>12641139
>blames congress
but that's true

>>12639588
>Elon calls the DoD
>no more cheap satellites for you
>Biden is forced to beg for mercy when the MIC starts raining shit on him

>>12641229
Congress didn’t design the shuttle, congress didn’t tell them they had to never update the thing, congress didn’t tell them they had to go to the military to get some retarded requirements
Congress didn’t force NASA to kill competitors to the shuttle

>>12641244
fair enough

>>12639588
Based

>>12640690
Why does it feel like Biden's handlers is trying to beat a clock everyday?

>>12641237
Nah, Biden would tell the DoD to hitch rides on Chinese knockoffs of Russian rockets.
>>12641229
Congress didn't murder seven astronauts by putting a sociopath in charge of the Space Shuttle because she's a woman. NASA did that. Congress didn't ignore a psychological profile that said one of their astronauts was mentally unstable. That astronaut ended up kidnaping the girlfriend of another astronaut she had the hots for. That was NASA's decision, not Congress. Also Congress didn't hire a mentally unstable lesbian to be an astronaut on ISS, who gained the distinction of being the first person to commit a crime in space. Nope, it was NASA who did that.
NASA is a perpetual fuck up. The agency is so flawed that it should be disbanded and all of its resources and responsibilities divided up among other agencies and the private sector. NASA is the government equivalent of a business owner's son-in-law that's kept on the payroll to keep him from getting into too much trouble but somehow he still manages to fuck everything up.

>>12641258
They need him to last two years so Harris can still run for two full terms in addition to finishing the final two years of Biden's term.

>People actually thought Humans were ever going to land on Mars.

Well, not if these people keep running the World.

>>12641269

>>12639588
>Good! More space for the Red Dragon to explore and conquer!

>>12641264
>Congress didn't murder seven astronauts...
>One of their astronauts was mentally unstable...
>first person to commit a crime in space
WTF? Seriously? Details please?

>>12641139
Portree was a NASA writer and had a pretty good retro space blog on What If? space programs. But a few years ago, his wife was killed in an auto accident, leaving him a single father. Since then, somewhat understandably, he's been pretty odd. Switching jobs, posting erratically, renaming his blog every year and lots of social media venting. He's broken and lashing out at "Dad".

>>12641391
>>first person to commit a crime in space
Accessing her exes bank account IIRC.

>>12641264
>Nah, Biden would tell the DoD to hitch rides on Chinese knockoffs of Russian rockets.
There is absolutely no way the MIC would let that happen. They want an independent launch service. Even better if said service is lightyears ahead of everyone else's

>>12639588
Do people unironically here think SpaceX is some epicentre of Innovation?

>>12640987
>Ukrainian natural gas industry
no such thing

>>12641486
>pocket transit fees
>steal gas
>cry russia bad gas too expensive
yes such thing

>>12641485
>epicentre of actually doing things
ftfy

>>12641485
They’ve done plenty of innovation, new engines, new materials, orders of magnitude in cost reductions across the board
Found a new location for a launch site, intending to fly off oil rigs outside of Jewish FAA jurisdiction

>>12641485
In the spaceflight industry? Yes. All other big spaceflight projects are pipedreams, very conservative designs, or massive unknowns

>>12641534
>They’ve done plenty of innovation, new engines, new materials, orders of magnitude in cost reductions across the board

Source: my Asshole

>intending to fly off oil rigs outside of Jewish FAA jurisdiction

Since when is /sci/ so infested with you faggots?

>>12641539
Why do you choose to argue about things you don't know anything about? You're just wasting everybody's time, including your own. Isn't your time more valuable than that

>>12641539
>Source: my Asshole
NASA has done no innovation since the 90s, if it were not for SpaceX, they would still be paying russians to take americans to the space.
Retard.

>>12641537
>spaceflight industry
Who, apart from some rich kikes gives a fuck about that? SpaceX is just marketing by Elon. They are not innovating or even breathing new life into Space Exploration. They are reusing materials from Soyuz and NASA. Only dumb redditors believe that Elon-chan is going to get us all to Mars or whatever

>>12639588
>be elon
>gib nancy $$$
>$$$
>profit

>usa

>>12641541
just show me how they are innovating and then I shut the fuck up

>>12641539
>new engines
Merlin
Raptor
>new materials
whatever black magic metallurgy they used to make Raptor
custom 30X stainless steel alloy for Starship
>orders of magnitude in cost reductions across the board
Falcon 9, the only orbital class launch vehicle with a reusable booster
bringing the cost of launch down to a record low, never before seen in the spaceflight industry
insane launch frequency and turnaround time that is consistently improving
SpaceX completely and utterly destroyed the old space "space is hard" retards

>>12641544
Wasn't SpaceX's biggest stunt pulled off by NASA?

>>12641551
>Falcon 9
and still, Soyuz is used most of the time

>>12641558
lmao
in 50 years Soyuz has launched 141 times
in 10 years Falcon 9 has launched 106 times

>>12641541
didn't they do a reusable rocket?
isn't that like a billion in savings?
doesn't that make putting up a satellite cheaper than it has ever been?
I'm a fucking casual retard and I know that.

>>12641549
This thing

>>12639588
source: some dude rambling on twitter and a random homepagewith 0 context

>>12641558
>>12641564
Soyuz-2 stats:
>46.3 m tall
>2.95 m wide
>not reusable
>can launch 8200 kg to LEO when expended
>cost per launch: $80 million
>cost per kg: $5357
>used to fly American astronauts, not anymore

Falcon 9 stats:
>70 m tall
>3.7 m wide
>can launch 22800 kg to LEO when reused
>can launch 38400 kg to LEO when expended
>cost per launch: $60 million
>cost per kg: $2720
>flies American astronauts

>>12641554
This is your brain in leftistm. Sad. I bet you are suscribed to thundercunt.

>>12641567
Yes, and now they're working a rocket that would be fully reusable, which would drive prices down even more. And be capable of not only landing, but also taking off from Mars again. In the past a Mars landing was kinda just considered a one way trip, until someone came along and went like, but what if we actually improve rockets

>>12641547
> SpaceX led all launch companies in 2020 with 25 orbital missions that sent up hundreds of satellites for the company’s Starlink internet network, the first two flights with astronauts on SpaceX’s Crew Dragon spaceship, two space station resupply missions, and three launches that delivered national security payloads into orbit for the U.S. government.

> All 25 orbital missions used Falcon 9 rockets, with 20 of the launches powered by reused Falcon 9 boosters, a capability solely demonstrated by SpaceX. One first stage in SpaceX’s fleet flew five times in 2020, the same number of missions performed by United Launch Alliance’s expendable Atlas 5 rockets or all European rockets last year.

Cope.

>>12641576
22 tons is the hypothetical expendable payload for the f9

>>12639588
Based.

Fuck Musk.

Besides, Soiship has already been debunked as grossly inadequate if not deadly for its intended mission. Biden is actually saving countless lives that would have been otherwise lost if Soiship was used.

>>12641577
>leftism
Pretty broad term faggot, but please describe it to me without using your burger understanding of the world

>thundercunt

Who is that? Someone who took a shit on your god and saviour Elon?

>>12641587
Is a takeoff/landing craft like the eagle for the moon (but modernized of course) not possible due to the strength of Mars gravity?

>>12639684
>FAA to rescind part 103 and double the gatekeeping for everything else
Dark skies ahead

>>12640076
Biden will get some disease and resign for Kamila. So it may not be long.

>>12640054
these kind of people need to hang (in minecraft)

>>12641594
(you) go bait somewhere else, subhuman

>Old club blatantly manipulates stock, sells policy to the highest bidder and takes 100k "Speaking Fees" from their friends in an endless loop of theft
>Surprised when they crush new money

I wonder who hullo man and other illiterate science people with a gradeschool understanding of the world will try to cope with their corporate pope fucking them in the ass.

ORANGE MAN BAD
wait, where orange man is
why things badder now

>>12641485
They did in a few years what NASA did not do in 30 years with a budget of 20 billion a year., NASA with 20 billion budget every year has done almost nothing in spaceflight industry for more than 20 years. I don't know where the hell all the money goes

>>12641695
>I don't know where the hell all the money goe
to congressmen to fuel their cocain addiction

>>12641695
Grift, it is grift all the way down, academic grift, boeing and defense grift, financial grifting, political grifting. Measured in real wealth terms the US federal government is the most corrupt institution in human history in terms of how much money it has stolen and embezzled.

Government: You can't hire foreign citizens to work on classified technology, which includes your rockets.

SpaceX: OK

Government: We are now investigating you for discriminating against foreigners in your hiring.

SpaceX: Um, OK, but can we launch our Starship test flight on January 28th?

Government: Yes

SpaceX: It's January 28th, so we're going to launch that rocket that you said...

Government: NO! Scrub that launch you don't have permission.

>>12641695
NASA is a diversity hire program these days.

>>12641695
does NASA have the Motivation to do anything though? I doubt it so I don't blame them

>>12639684
He's not wrong. Over the Trump presidency EM was basically allowed to do whatever the heck he wanted due to lack of oversight. How do you think he got to his position as wealthiest person on Earth. Hopefully this regulatory push expands into other areas and does something about Tesla bypassing the rules by building dangerous shoddy contraptions, the cluttering of the sky with satellites, and all the dubious promises and straight up lies he peddles. Anyway the privatization of space is a bad thing and it's good somebody is finally doing something about this mess.

>>12641763
kys

>>12639588
biden can do fuck nothing to kill starship, elon musk bought two goddamn offshore oil rigs formerly owned by valaris he can tow into international waters to launch as many star ships he want.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/19/spacex-bought-former-valaris-oil-rigs-to-build-starship-launchpads.html

>>12641391
1) Linda Ham
2) Lisa Nowak
3) Anne McClain
None of them should have gotten beyond the NASA gift shop.

Elon Musk’s SpaceX bought two deepwater oil rigs last year and is converting them into floating launchpads.
Public records show that Valaris sold rigs 8500 and 8501 for $3.5 million each in July, shortly before the offshore rig company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
The rigs, renamed Deimos and Phobos, are in the Port of Brownsville near SpaceX’s Starship development facility in Boca Chica, Texas.


>deimos and phobos

mars moons featured in doom, so metal


based elon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_floating_launch_platform

>>12641549
stfu retard

>>12641785
Biden can forbid any government contracts with SpaceX. He can also suffocate the manufacturing process with tons of regulation.
Would this kill off SpaceX for good? SpaceX might be to the point where it can get enough non-government business to support itself, especially if Starlink proves to be a viable business. Regulations could be overcome by moving to another country. But even these can be fucked by Biden if he gets the FCC to use regulations to hobble Starlink and prohibits the export of SpaceX technology outside the US.

>>12641773
NTA, but it's fun seeing you Eloncucks getting salty

>>12641791
>letting women into space

>>12641802

>>12641785
>>12641799

elon musk wants to build Outer Heaven for real

>>12641823
Funniest stupid thing I've read in recent years was an article suggesting that the first mission to Mars be all female because "women get along with each other better than men do".

A few transactions and a chartered airplane, and Elon can move all of SpaceX's critical IP and talent to another country. Turning this country into a new space power.

Imagine SpaceX in Japan, Indonesia, Brazil, or South Africa.

>>12641833
astronomers will be able to observe something which appears to be a super nova consuming mars

>>12641838
Imagine being this stupid to actually believe something like this.

>>12641838
The US government would assassinate him very quickly.

>>12641838
with oil rigs he can be his own country. sealand did that for the longest time, britain tried to invade them several times on their ww2 flak platform they claimed as their sovereign state. their problem was they were just not far out enough in international waters to make their claim valid

>>12641848
would be the first good thing they would have done in a long time

>>12641838
let him come to Europe and launch from Lampedusa island

>>12641842
he could though

>>12641850
Sealand wasn't annoying enough for the Brits to do anything about it after the courts decided they didn't want to deal with the problem. If Sealand started producing arms for terrorists, it would quickly be invaded and blown up. Same with the oil rig launch pads. If they became annoying, they'd either be invaded or covertly blown up. Simply declaring yourself to be a country mean nothing other than no country is obligated to come to your rescue if you're attacked.

>>12641861
>Europe
Land of ever more of the regulation he's trying to avoid.

>>12641763
Sure, over regulation does not kill innovation.
You know what? Fuck you, I hope Elon complete the research phase in the USA, and then moves to his other facility in Indonesia, and does as many fights as he wants. And sell the design to the chinese, so they can flood the world with copies of Spaceship.
All while in the USA you spiral into decadence.

>>12641870
it was annoying enough that they tried to take the platform with speed boats, and the sealanders were tossing molotovs onto them.

>>12641877
>Sure, over regulation does not kill innovation

It doesn't though you dumb piece of poo

>>12641763
kys commie subhuman

>>12641816
>Biden can forbid any government contracts with SpaceX. He can also suffocate the manufacturing process with tons of regulation.

And he would be welcome with open arms in China, with a even bigger industrial base to make his dreams reality.
And of course, his scientists will choose not to go to China to colonize the Moon and Mars, and remain in the good old USA where you can go in jail for disliking in social media a tweet from BML or Antifa, or using the wrong pronouns in a random faggot. Of course all the good intelligent people will remain in the new socialist paradise.

>>12641891
Oh no, the Elonfanboys have found out

>>12641842
>Imagine being this stupid to actually believe something like this.

Imagine wanting to remain in USA under the benevolent rule of Comrade Biden.

>>12639588
That's good news. I praise Musk for his recycling efforts. But ultimately resources need to be spent on Earth.

>>12641895
>Of course all the good intelligent people will remain in the new socialist paradise

Imagine thinking Biden is a Socialist. You're right though in point. Most intelligent people are Socialists

>>12639588
Don't millienials and zoom zooms worship the muskrat? Wouldn't this be a sure fire way of ensuring the muskrat decides the 2024 presidential erection?

>>12641905
>>12641895
Biden is literally more corpo-friendly than trump was

>>12641911
musk is not a u.s. born citizen

>>12641905
>Most intelligent people are Socialists
Don`t make it so obvious, oh! I forgot I am talking to a lefty and not a normal person. Carry on...

>>12641915
But he is a Democrat and Democrats are Socialists. Or how do Libertarians reason again?

>>12641922
>I forgot I am talking to a lefty and not a normal person

That is your punchline?

>>12641799
they should build new platforms from scratch

>>12641905
>Most intelligent people are Socialists
...of the national type

>>12641905
>Most intelligent people are Socialists

Most intelligent people are unironically right wing liberal centrist..Socialists are usually millenials with useless degree and student loan or gibsmrdat spics and blacks

Elon went to the US because it was the best country to make reality his dream of colonizing Mars. Now that USA is a socialist country, is obvious that is not that country anymore, so he will move, at least Space X in the next years.
My guess is he will seriously consider now Indonesia https://thediplomat.com/2020/12/whats-in-the-new-indonesia-spacex-chatter/
He will also have cheap labour and China nearby for components.

>>12641967
Nah I was just playing. Most people all over the spectrum. Some pretty intelligent people were Socialists and some were fascists while some are Liberals.

>>12641967
>Socialists are usually millenials with useless degree and student loan or gibsmrdat spics and blacks

If you are permanently on Reddit, then yes you are right.

>>12640697
The moon is in earth orbit.

>>12641986
The moon is its own sphere

Man, Biden actually worse than I thought, chance of SpaceX trying to move to other countries is very likely now, and I hope so.

Insider story about NASA. I had a student once who secured a master thesis at NASA, my professor knows a PhD student there. He got everything he needed. Scheduled flights got visa etc. The thing is the visa is only good for three months, so he additionally already booked flights to leave the country and return with a fresh visa. He asked the NASA employees responsible for hiring if everything was good to go and whether they made sure he has permission to enter the facility. They answered yes.

Literally two days before the flight they wrote him an email.
>yeah, sorry, but you don't have permission to enter NASA ground
Wtf is this bullshit? It seems to me they're completely unorganized. No wonder they can't build shit these days.

>>12641763
That's completely and utterly wrong.

>>12641883
That's literally why there are so many startups in the US and why foreigners move there to get their company going.

>>12639588
"National systems to take humans to the Moon and
beyond – the Space Launch System (SLS) rocket and the Orion spacecraft – are scheduled for their first integrated test flight in 2021."

>>12642010
Probably the same as any bloated bureaucratic system, at some point different departments don't even know who runs what anymore. Here's an actual Twitter exchange of some local organizations

>The Oulunkylä station does not belong to HKL, ping VR
>The Oulunkylä station belongs to the HSL jurisdiction, ping HSL
>The bike parking at the station is overseen by the city environment department

And then finally the city environment department figures out that the bike racks belong to HKL

>>12641928
>That is your punchline?

>>12641307
And in another decade, the demography of the US will be even more diverse.

>>12641645
She is more red then him

>>12641264
>Also Congress didn't hire a mentally unstable lesbian to be an astronaut on ISS, who gained the distinction of being the first person to commit a crime in space.
literal fake news made up by her crazy ex girlfriend. Stop believing everything that’s convenient for you to believe

I would have cared if SpaceX wasn't a money sink and Startship wasn't a scam.

>>12642086
>implying all lesbians aren't mentally unstable

>>12641544
>The Negro Aeronautics and Space Association

>>12642099
>i can just make shit up because it’s super convenient to my world view

>>12641829
Just one thing Kaz...

>>12639588
that's not what biden wants. Biden hasn't said anything, this is a policy paper by a big coalition of aerospace companies saying what they think the biden administration should do.

>>12641901
Imagine thinking what you or Elon wants actually matters when it comes to national security matters.

>>12641911
Elon Musk is an Africa. Niggers like him should not be president, didn't we learn our lesson last time with the Kenyan?

>>12642086
This is called damage control. She did the crime, she simply wasn't made to do the time.

>>12641714

Pretty much this. Imagine seeing all this shit, going to the voting booth, and thinking

>we need EVEN MORE government

>>12641878
>they
Who is they? The government of the United Kingdom or some rival group that wanted control of Sealand?

>>12642124
The jews.

>>12642020
>startups means innovation

I sure love to see my 20 different breeds of Barbeceue Sauce at the Grocery Store. The Burgerland truly is the greatest country on earth

>>12642068
Based. We will all breed with hot ebonies at some point

>>12639684
Make America Liberia Again

>>12639588

Coalition for deep space is a junk racket that would be putting out the same pro-SLS garbage for any admin.

>>12642119
she literally did not.

Starship? Like Starship Enterprise?
>politician's laugh
Yes, I - heck-ying - love Star Trek.

>>12641911
Not any more. He blasphemed the Church of Covid, and then moved out of California, which was seen as a repudiation of Plebbit values. That's why all of these stories about his father owning a gem mine suddenly came out of nowhere. Being wealthy is suspect enough but multigenerational wealth is pure evil to that group. Before he was a quirky science god who happened to have some money which he used for science stuff. Now he's the playboy son of a rich man who throws tantrums if he isn't allowed to endanger the people. The image changed very quickly once he refused to fall in line on COVID.

>>12639684

This guy has his own unique personality quirks and everything he writes about SpaceX is fantasy wish casting from a deep seated pathological opposer that SpaceX won't succeed and will be blocked so he doesn't have to mentally deal with a reality where they succeed.

Fake news Dems love Science! But lets be honest here for a moment we can't let capitalism ruin space.

I wouldn't read too much into the FAA hangups just yet, they only represent a few days delays.

>>12642143
I always hated him and the fact that he makes his money simply by building hype and getting people to invest in his stocks is irritating, but a smart move.

>>12642145
There is nothing in Space for Capitalism to commodify...yet

>>12642098

Not a money sink, not a scam. Starship is the real deal.

>>12642139
You can lie all you want but she won't have sex with you nor will it change what she did. NASA has a long history of covering up for their gender based hiring mistakes. This is just another one of them. But by all means go ahead and post "nuh uh" 1000 times. It won't change reality.

>>12639588
Doesn't Muskrat build Companies off Government Subsidies? Why do people think he is a maverick?

>>12641616
It would need to be able to withstand reentry heating. And have the power to escape 1/3 Earth gravity rather than 1/6. So... Starship.

>>12642098

SpaceX is the most efficient means of expenditure for space services for the government right now, literally all their competitor alternatives to them are money sinks. "I hate SpaceX. I don't want them to get any work.(which means some other company gets it instead. That company delivers less, later, and for more money."

>>12642166
If you write a contract stating "I will deliver X, by the date Y, for Z money" it is not generally considered a subsidy. ULA for example gets genuine subsidies, in addition to the above mentioned contract for rendered services, the US government just gives them money with no strings attached. SpaceX gets extremely small amounts of this free money, less then 1% of what their (domestic) competition gets.

It's sad and fun at the same time being able to witness the decline of the west. You go retards, you deserve all the misery that's coming to you

>>12641799
>mars moons featured in doom, so metal
I'm not saying that isn't in line with SpaceX's vibe and naming history but those are real life Mars' only moons.

>>12642098
I'm curious about this actually. How come many people think Starship is a scam? They already demonstrated the landing system with SN8. Maybe I'm ignorant but that part seems like one of the hardest bits of the whole Starship framework. If they can get the skydive maneuver to work, I don't see why they couldn't build the lower boost stage as well. Then there's still the tanking part to demonstrate, and at that point, don't they basically have a working Starship

>>12642151
I personally only care about SpaceX building new and improved space rockets. Don't care how they fund it. But if they make Starlink a viable means of income, nobody should have a reason to complain anymore. There's a lot of billionaires, but I think we're very lucky that this particular billionaire has been autistic about space rockets since he was a kid, and as soon as he got enough money, that's what he started to work on. I'm happy just watching somebody finally making something happen

>>12642433
>StarDildo

this looks even worse than jeffy pesos rocket propelled dick

>>12641763

>>12642433
>NASA tried reusable vehicles before
>they made the Shuttle
>it sucked
>SpaceX is trying reusable vehicles
>NASA is bigger and more funded than SpaceX
>therefore SpaceX can't do it
That's it. That's all the reasoning

>>12642458
>thundercuck

just smells his own farts all day long

>>12642458
>shuttle was reusable
>except the part that actually gets it into space
I still can't tell if being a bitter naysayer is just thunderfoot's gimmick or if he really is like that

>>12642475
That's literally all he is. He's a caricature of a British knowitall come to life.

>>12639588
Biden isn't just trying to kill SpaceX. Biden is trying to kill Elon Musk's companies.

Look at the new Electric Vehicle mandate from Biden. Its a contract made for GM/Ford. 700K federal fleet car converted to EV, but the requirement is you need union jobs. This is detroit car maker subsidy. It will likely be in the tens of billions in subsidy. Reminder, detroit automakers still hasn't paid back the 2008 loans of 50 + billion dollars.

>>12642475
>except the part that actually gets it into space
Obviously the shuttle would not get into orbit without the SRBs. But the shuttle also would not get into orbit with the SSMEs.

The SRBs stayed with the shuttle until it was going a bit more than 5,000 km/h and about 45 km up. The shuttle then continued without the SRBs until it was going about 30,000 km/h, to 400 km or more. So you see when these numbers are your perspective, the SSMEs are doing "more" to get the shuttle into space.

But as I said, the shuttle would not get to space without either. Not even close. And thunderfoot is an actual retard, this is not a defense of thunderfoot's idiocy. Since both the SRBs and SSMEs were obviously necessary to get the shuttle into space, calling the shuttle reusable in the same way as super heavy / starship is very disingenuous at best. I think his gimmick is "being opinionated with a british accent" which many Americans seem to have a psychological weakness for. I for one blame David Attenborough's documentaries on PBS creating this bullshit association between intellectualism and an accent.

>>12642507
>Reminder, detroit automakers still hasn't paid back the 2008 loans of 50 + billion dollars.
At that point it's no longer a loan. Just a payment

>>12642507
Frankly I'd rather get a detroit car than an elon car. Both are going to have shoddy American build quality (Tesla is notorious for this, don't even try to deny it, but the other detroit automakers are little better.) The biggest difference is whether I'll be able to actually get spare parts, whether third party repair will be feasible, and whether other owners of the same model will be weirdly hostile to me whenever I have any problem with mine (e.g. "the apple effect", wherein fanboys pile on anybody who critiques the golden brand.) Not to mention all of the phone home spyware bullshit Tesla has packed into their cars. Many detroit cars are no better in this regard, but at least some of them are. Honestly choosing between Tesla and Detroit is like choosing between a punch to the nose or a kick to the balls. I'd rather buy a nip car.

>>12642433
>I'm curious about this actually. How come many people think Starship is a scam?
desensitation to loads of false claims by over enthusiastic and/or scammy companies. Particularly when amplified by local news for sensationalist effect.

>VACCINE FOR AIDS DISCOVERED
>CURE FOR CANCER FOUND
>INFINITE ENERGY ONLY FROM WATER
>EM DRIVE!!!!!
>REUSABLE ROCKET WILL BE 100.000 TIMES CHEAPER THAN CURRENT ONE

they just pile it up in their minds with the rest of the bullshit, and theyre not wrong to do so if they havent checked it by themselves, because from the perspective of the tools they usually use to know the world they have no way of knowing whats real

>>12642593
get a honda from any date. Build to last till the sun burns

>>12642607
My current car is a Honda that's getting close to 20 years old, so I can confirm that. I've been pretty happy with it all these years, so Honda is a brand I'd definitely consider again. However I've also heard some mutterings about Mazda rejecting touch screen interfaces and returning to tactile physical buttons for everything. I like that a lot, so that's something I would look into.

Who let the /pol/ schizos in here? are we really losing our shit over a 7 like twitter post and a old space doc written for the administration? everything else here is speculation.

Take your meds, turn your computer off.

>>12642070
>she's more red than him
back to /pol/ you retard

>>12642614
>>12642593
Touch screens seem like such a horrible interface for something that you drive. From a purely practical standpoint, if I lived in an American city and used my car to commute on a highway every day, I'd probably get a Tesla, since being able to put it on autocruise seems very convenient. But I don't particularly want to mess with a big touch screen. From that viewpoint, Teslas do nothing for me as a carfag. So if I wanted to get a car that I actually enjoy, I'd be inclined to get something else. From purely a utility standpoint, a Tesla would seem pretty good though. The rapid acceleration is probably pretty fun though

>>12642593
I understand where you're coming from. You're the type of people who wants constancy. Who hate change. As an amateur psychologist, let me tell you, this is just delusional thinking. Conditions are always changing, what is true 10 years ago may not be true today. What is true today, may not be true 10 years from now. Tesla exemplifies this. Compare a 2010 Tesla Roadster to a 2020 Model 3. Its miles apart. They were producing few dozen cars in 2010. Now they've produced half a million car in 2020. 10 years ago, GM/Ford were on the verge of bankruptcy and Obama bailed them out, now they're on similar bankruptcy trajectory and Biden is bailing them out once more. You're basically relying on zombie companies that feed off of government subsidy to stay alive. They have no semblance of future. They live in the shadow of the past, reliant on government subsidies. Tesla 10 years ago was loaned 450 million dollars to build an automated factory and repaid it back 2 years later. GM/Ford/Fiat were given 50+ billion dollars and they haven't repaid it back. The so called "Tesla EV credit" wasn't made for Tesla, but for Detroit 3 companies. They failed to produce the cars. Tesla gets punished for pushing forward with their innovation/speed with ton of fake news/fud about how its bad/taking on government subsidies/etc.
People need to step back from local events and look at the big picture. Tesla scaled from couple dozen cars made by hand to getting majorly automated cars in 10 years. The ONLY reason you hear about Tesla build qualities are due to them being new and people fear change so they notice all sorts of problem. Not realizing these problems exists in plenty of older cars produced by GM/Ford/Fiat. Its purely a psychology game, not an actual build issue.

>>12639588
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MXSAwkVU3U

>>12642711
One legitimate problem I can see with EVs is how we're going to power all of them. Hypothetically, if everyone in Los Angeles got an EV, how would they produce the electricity to charge all of them?

>>12642711
You wrote all these words to excuse away Tesla having panel gaps so wide I can fit my hand between them? LMAO

>>12642737
If Musk is right, if Tesla can scale their factories, then battery wont be an issue for much longer. If you're talking about electricity in general, then Tesla's solar panels are growing yearly. Tesla's powerwall batteries are growing rapidly. Tesla's power plant software is growing in use. Tesla's mega batterypacks for grid storage is growing in use.

Seems reasonable, why this bilionare fucker gets away with it I don't know. Hey EM, maybe figure out stopping global warming or feeding the hungry or gee IDK the water crisis here in california first you stupid shit head don't run off to texas you massive loser

>>12642752
Yeah I mean electricity in general. Charging 15 million Teslas every day would massively increase the load on the power grid. I'm not confident that municipalities could provide all that energy. At least not with green energy, so at that point you'd just be burning oil to produce electricity to charge a car, instead of just refining the oil and putting it into a car. Seems like we'd need a lot more nuclear power plants, but for some reason green types hate nuclear energy

>>12642752
>Tesla's solar panels are growing yearly. Tesla's powerwall batteries are growing rapidly. Tesla's power plant software is growing in use. Tesla's mega batterypacks for grid storage is growing in use.

Is there any concrete evidence that without mass subsidiez any of those technologies is even energy profitable?(energy expended to make the factory, energy to make hte factories that make the factory that make the factory...etc) not to mention cheaper than oil nuclear and or more ecological considering the extreme amount of ultra mega poisoning worst of the kind mining needed for it?

>>12642773
>hey guy, figure out this thing that has nothing to do with your business
You figure it out. Maybe move away from California, since clearly it can't support that many people. Just like Musk did

>>12642781
>Charging 15 million Teslas every day would massively increase the load on the power grid.
every energy grid has a massive problem with expending energy at night, everywhere its cheaper, some times they even pay you to take it, just make it so that charging your car is much cheaper at night and you solve two problems in one go

>>12642791
Only other place I'd move to is NY but the weather seems shit, I don't want to live in fucking trump redneck state county

>>12642781
15 million teslas across the entire world by ~2030.
Lets suppose we divide the world into 3. Europe/China/US. That's 5 million car in US, 5 in Europe, and 5 in China. 5 million car across, lets say 20 states because 30 others are lagging, is 250k per(20) state.

>>12642814
Sure, but I was speaking of a hypothetical situation where every single car was replaced with EVs right now. It's what a lot of people want, but I haven't seen a realistic solution for how to power all of them

>>12642786
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/01/27/teslas-had-83-increase-in-energy-storage-deployments-in-2020/
https://insideevs.com/news/482496/tesla-energy-generation-storage-q4-2020-results

They deployed 85 Megawatts of solar panel in 2020. There are ton of mega projects for their battery storage.

>>12642829
Also 3 Gigawatt of battery storage (not cars) deployed in 2020.

>>12642829
I always find it so sad that an 85 Megawatt solar farm is in reality something like 15 Megawatt, due to the sun typically not being in Zenith in a cloudless sky 24/7...

>>12642824
>right now
Irrelevant. The transition will take atleast 20-30 years, and that's optimistic. More likely it will take ~50+ years to fully replace the cars. Avg car on the road is ~7 years old. But cars on road lasts ~20 years of actual use. So lets say no new gas cars are sold in 2021. That means the fastest time to transition to full EV cars in US would be 2040, thats when the lasts of the old gas cars would die out. If we extend an actual aggressive sales stop of gas cars by 2030, then that means the oldest gas cars would die out by 2050. 30 years time between now and 2050 is more than enough time for solar to grow significantly, for batteries of all types to grow in use significantly.
30 years is a LONG time. in 2050, I'll be in my 60s. You'll be in your 50s. 30 years ago, the simpsons aired for the first time in history.

>>12642829
>>12642834
there are tons of nuclear fusion projects

my question still stands
is there evidence of net energy gain? im not even talking about being better than coal oil or nuclear or even close, im talking about it being

>>12642855
Also many power plants have lifetime of ~30-50 years. So US will have to replace lot of old power plants. New solar plants/wind farms/etc will replace it.

>>12642867
Nuclear fusion is still 20 years away from actual real world usage. That's if everything goes according to plan. It never does. Its been 20+ years away for the last 50 years.

>>12642805
So basically you're demanding other people to solve the problem that you're causing. You acknowledge that it's not sustainable for people to live in California, but you refuse to leave, and then you're demanding somebody who doesn't live in California to solve the problem that you're causing

>>12642871
its 20 years away from being energy profitable

solar is the same
its profitable as long as the goverment gives you a trillon in subsidies to make up to all the energy spent building factories and building factories than build the factories and building factories etc... ad infinitum. We are certain that cycle is energy positive for coal.

were not sure it works like that for solar, by that definition fusion also "works" some energy comes out of it, you just have to expend more than you actually get

>>12642873
>You acknowledge that it's not sustainable for people to live in California, but you refuse to leave
yeah, whats so bad about it, everyone seeks an advantage, i want to fuck the hottest girls inside a big house, while you and the vast majority of the world mastrubates alone in japanese style coffin-rooms for which you pay a fee that keeps you enslaved to me the owner of propoerty.
its what everyone wants objectively truthfuly weather they admit it or not

>>12639684
these fucking people, these ignorant spiteful fools

Elon derangement syndrome

>>12641264
>>12641443
This turned out not to be true. It came out in court that her ex was lying about the whole thing to get back at her.

>>12642879
>everyone seeks an advantage
Yeah just like Musk, so I don't know why you're so salty about it. He realized it's in his best interest to leave Commiefornia, and now you're salty that he's not helping you to get drinking water in a desert. So I don't know what your issue is

>>12642891
the crime was being lesbian

>>12642895
no im not salty, im not the person you originally replied to lol

>>12642876
>solar is the same
Wrong. If you're saying solar is profitable because of government giving "trillions" then you're saying everything you own, eat, see, live, breathe is same as solar. Its completely false. Solar panel are profitable before any subsidy takes place. If you try to bring in incentives for manufacturers to build factories, then all factories are like this. You can literally buy a Solar Panel right now from online and have it be profitable in 4 years.

>buy 370 watt panel for $300
>370 watt x 5 hours of sunlight x 365 = 675 kilowatt hours of electricity x 12 cents per kwh = $81 dollars per year of electricity saving

$300/$81 = 3.7 years.

Thats without any subsidy/credit/etc. Just scale it up to your needs and calculate your daily sun light average and you get the return. At worst case, it will take double that with 2 and half hours if you live in remote Alaska or something.

>>12642904
>Solar panel are profitable before any subsidy takes place.
i know thats what you believe but show me the actual evidence for it

>>12642904
>>buy 370 SUBSIDIZEEEEEEEEEEEEEED watt panel for $300

niga money isnt magic and its not objective physical laws of nature, if people in power were as dumb as you and decided to go full solar on everything theyd realize they are barely able to make an energy dense profit if any, eventually the price would start to rise, and if they insisted on it the cost of cleaning and mantaining solar stations would end up being more than the profit of energy generated, that would happen if the real cost wasnt artificially put down by subsidies. but youre too dumb to understand the objective laws of physics

>>12642901
Oh, my bad

>>12639684
>adults back in charge
>.t adult with maturity of a child

>>12642914
Subsidy is when you apply for tax credit. That reduces your $300 cost down to ~0 or so if you file your tax properly.

>>12641763
Low effort bait

>>12641554
No, it wasn't. Trying using MULTIPLE sources of information instead of blindly trusting plebbit.

>>12642580
That first 5000 kmph also pays for most of the gravity and aero losses which is substantial

>>12642131
Sorry, anon, but I’ll trust the expertise of my economics professors over the ramblings of some dipshit “““democratic””” socialist simping for the anarcho-dictator prophecized by Vaush and ContraPoints.

>>12642904

oil/gas/power
>build engine made of simple raw materials
>build truck that transport fuel to engine
>turn on for profit
>no other step needed

nuclear
>build extremely complicated power plant
>build cars to take the fuel there
>extremely profitable as long as you dump nuclear fuel in poor countries that were gonna die anyway

Solar
>build solar panel that takes retarded amount of ultra exotic materials, high precision engineering and an inmense technological chain that must be constructed solely for the purpose or ultra efficiently transported around the world
>Build the batteries which are all of the above plus use some of the most rare and eco damaging materials known to man
>more power = more surface = farther away from cities = more transmission loss times 3000 for places that arent the sunniest part of the equator
>none of these ultra expensive complex and contaminating pieces of equipment is long lived or easy to mantain. Prepare toxic landfills much worse than the nuclear ones
>spend the barely minimum amount mitigating the eco damage that will come from all that retardness so that the earth can last at leats a couple of years more while this goes on and you get, maybe a bit of power


gee i dont know what to choose

>>12642933
Of course.

>>12642949
>Solar
>get bunch of sand
>heat it up
>get crystals
NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST !!!!!!

>>12642663
The FAA has arbitrarily decided to suddenly start fucking with SpaceX, barely a week after a new POTUS takes office, and this isn't suspicious at all to you?

Fuck me, you can hate Donald Trump all you want, but even then this would be the one thing he was 100% right about and it's going to be thrown in the trash out of sheer spite.

>>12642981
yeah sure its this easy

>>12642904
>buy 370 watt panel for $300
You forgot to buy an inverter, a charge controller or a battery bank

>>12642949
Nuclear is literally a lump of metal that heats itself up magically
It’s the simplest and easiest form of power

Only endless government dicking around kills it

>>12641763
>EM was basically allowed to do whatever the heck he wanted due to lack of oversight
>lack of oversight
get a job. you have no idea what you're talking about.
>How do you think he got to his position as wealthiest person on Earth[?]
By inventing and providing goods and services that people wanted to buy like: a rocket launch at half the cost, an affordable electric vehicle, a secure internet payment application.

i hope this is bait

>>12642989
I don't believe for a single second that Biden made this a priority at all. The FAA has had the same administrator since 2019. There has been no agency shake up.

I'm pretty sure these delays are due to the violations like retarded kayak guy. Too many and they start to scrutinize you.

>>12643030
It doesn't have to be a "priority," it takes one bureaucrat five seconds to fuck them forever.

Oh well, I bet 80% of /sci/ and Musk-loving reddit voted for Biden. Get fucked
I just hope that Elon gets the fuck out of America and goes to a country with actual freedom, like Japan, Switzerland or New Zealand.

>>12643051
seething /pol/tard take your meds

>>12643067
But you guys are the ones seething hard here.
I'm just saying that for all that stuff that liberals spouted about republicans voting against their interests, it doesn't seem like biden is doing much for your interests.

>>12642949
>nuclear
>extremely profitable as long as you dump nuclear fuel in poor countries that were gonna die anyway
Over here we bore deep vast underground tunnels into the bedrock, where the waste gets sealed away. We also don't have earthquakes or other major natural disasters here, yet still people oppose building more nuclear plants. Sure building the plant is expensive, but it's so much more efficient than wind turbines could ever hope to be. Solar also isn't viable in our latitude, and as far as I'm concerned, sealing rivers with hydro plants isn't very green

>>12643051
>names 3 countries with ass eating libtard governments

NZ especially is run by communists

>>12643076
I'm not a "liberal" and didn't vote for Biden.

>>12643092
>japan and switzerland
>liberal
Those are two of the most capitalistic countries in the world.
And NZ may be liberal but I'm not talking about their economic policies, I'm talking about their regulatory policies. Not everything is about taxes and welfare, this is about freedom from red tape. The FAA is screwing over SpaceX and quite possibly because the government can't stand a private company beating them at their own game.
Of course, launches in Switzerland are probably impossible for safety reasons, but NZ and Japan should be perfectly fine.

>>12643106
Then I'm clearly not talking about you so stfu. I did say about 80%, learn to read.

>>12643092
>/pol/ in charge of knowing what communism is.

fucking brainworms.

>>12639684
>https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1354888136376070147
cringe take

>>12643051

It's just a few days delay, don't lose your heads trump chicken littles.

>>12643632
>Eh, we'll get around to it eventually.
Spoken like a government employee.

>>12641264
Congress wrote the Equal Opportunity hiring law that forced NASA to not fire these people.

>>12643030

That faggot Buttgieg was confirmed Sec of DOT two days ago

>>12641695

It's a shame that the guy Trump recently appointed to NASA was pretty based, even libs loved him, and he worked with Elon and the private sector in general. Now he's out the door to be replaced with some other incompetent bureaucrat

>>12644096
With any luck the seat will be vacant for most of Biden's term, like Biden.

>>12641763
>privatization of space is a bad thing
I would rather it be explored and privatized versus never explored because NASA is a joke.

>>12643051
He would have a better chance in China or Russia or even Iran although he 99% get assassinated.

>>12641763
Uh oh guys poor people are using mental gymnastics again to justfy bringing others down rather than raising themselves up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcviUfFTQXk

good. spacex is a waste of a company. they are wasting time and resources using archaic rockets. maybe if they actually advanced space travel...

>>12644068
Buttigieg got in and the first order of business was to obstruct the starship hop, is that right, schizo?

>>12644150
NASA is crippled by the fact that JWST is more than 3000% over budget and 14 years behind schedule. They don't have infinite manpower at NASA, theres a limited number people who can work on those projects and JWST has doubled it's staff recently because they're trying to rush to make the June deadline for the October launch even though they already know that they have no shot in hell at making it.
If they would just cancel JWST then they could devote the resources necessary to make other projects work, but as it stands right now JWST is sucking all the wind out of everyone else's sails.

>>12642070
In case you don't understand. He (>>12642668) is saying "then" is incorrect usage, "than" is correct usage. He doesn't realize he has to spoonfeed retards the reason they are retarded

Fuck FAA

>>12642157
There's a race to mine asteroids because if you discover X element there and have a full monopoly well then you rule earth.

>>12642120
>voting booth

Imagine thinking that voting is what decided this election.

>>12642580
>I for one blame David Attenborough's documentaries on PBS creating this bullshit association between intellectualism and an accent.

I'm not sure if that is what it is. I think it's just a natural human weakness for novelty. Women are attracted to foreign accents of all types, and I think it's just a novelty thing.

>>12642773
>WAAA WAAA DO WHAT I TELL YOU TO DO WAA

You are a baby.

>>12642855
I like my prius way more than full electric...

You can't travel cross country in a full electric. Maybe that's the goal.

>All these retards suggesting China to move SpaceX to even as a joke.
Ah, yes. The billionaire who routinely says whatever he wants will fit in nicely with the dictatorship that disappears anybody who says the wrong opinion. Worked out great with Jack Ma and he only lightly criticized them.

>>12644211
Elon knows that nuclear rockets are better, like anyone that has looked into the issue. The problem is that he is not allowed to use them, as per international treaties.

>>12644400
There are a lot of ways an association with China can work without exposing his neck, like free research from space x in exchange for installations and free material. Besides Elon is south african, he knows when to keep his mouth shut. If he has to keep his mouth shut in china to make his dreams reality, he will. He is outspoken in usa because usa used to be a democracy.

>>12644423
>knows when to keep his mouth shut
His tweets would beg to differ. Also, I don't know if you know this but if you are working with China regardless of what business you do, you HAVE to put a CCP member monitoring your business. There are no private companies in China. I know people are salty with the shit the US gov does sometimes but they are a paradise compared to the shithole that is the CCP government.

>>12641895
What's with dorks any lanyards?

>>12643632
>Just two more weeks bro

>>12643632
That's how it starts. Just wait for new NASA policies.

>>12639588
How is OP claiming Biden is responsible for this? The linked paper is a private think tank talking about what Biden SHOULD do. This has nothing to do with any policy moves being made. And this is also how I know /sci/ is retarded

>>12644423
are you retarded? Rocket technology is wrapped up in national security laws. American rocket companies can barely even hire foreigners much less partner with a US adversary

>>12644378
The English accent is actually quite recent and probably came from someone trying to sound cool and sophisticated to other people in the mid 1700s (and it works well). The remote parts the the colonial US probably have the 'oldest' English accents, like how some colonies become time capsules of their mother countries.

>>12642132
You do understand that once every child is a mongrel, they will just sell us identities to fight over instead, like apple vs android. They don't like us
being born with something they can't control.

>>12641485
epicentre of baitposting right here

>>12642458
shuttle wasn't even reusable

It was reusable like having your car fully inspected and repainted every time you returned it to your garage

>>12644390
You can cross country travel in Tesla. You've been able to do that for the last few years since the Model 3 was released.

>>12639588
The spic-nig cycle claims another victim.

>>12640134
>demoncrats
kek
Boomercon moment

>>12639596
>>12639601
>deep space
correct. Only Orion is designed for leaving Earth orbit. Dragon can only ferry to the ISS.

America can't really tell Elon no... It wouldn't go well.

>>12641544
>pic related
Really gets the noggin joggin

>>12644530
Who the fuck is talking about Dragon?

>>12640963
They want to kill SpaceX because they're poor fags. It cost tens of millions to ride to the ISS on the shuttle while Musk is projecting a ticket to Mars would cost around 250k which is less than a NYC house.

>>12642120
Trump was unequivocally 100% right here

>>12639588
Daily reminder that you Americans let them steal an election from you, enjoy your kike run country

>>12644610
Trump spend 3 years trying to put Clinton in jail, in the end he said that they should leave her alone because she suffered enough.

>>12643051
>New Zealand
This place is a 5 million person retirement village where you get paid like shit, pay exorbitant living costs for fuck all, and have a PR lady running the country

>>12643085
Nigga just reprocess and build fast actinide burners, like lmao

>>12644589
They're seething because between governments being the only entities in the 20th century capable of getting people to space and Star Trek promising them space communism utopia, they really thought capitalism was going to be stuck on earth forever.

>>12644673

What's this discrimination lawsuit? I remember Elon said SpaceX isn't allowed to hire non-Americans because it has big military contracts.

>>12644734
Yup, ITAR is pretty strict on hiring non-Americans when you handle classified satellites and rockets. They're just doing it to pressure him.

>>12639596
>>12639601
whoever wrote this being a retard isn't the same as banning starship

>>12644734
More meritless drivel from Democrats that will probably survive the courts against all legal fact because of chink-payroll judges in all of the courts.

>>12644306
Nothing special about the FAA
Environmental regulations are the same
Nuclear power plants sit in regulatory hell for a decade
Building permits don’t let you start shit until you’ve spent thousands on architectural drawings that a bureaucrat approves

There’s a reason the whole professional industry is so leftist, all their careers are based on government laws

>>12642773
>hey evil rich guy, you have so much money, why aren't you using it to solve my problems
Commiefornian being a literal unironical commie, what a surprise. FYI, this is the actual train of thought that lead to 1920s dekulakization and other commie shit.

>>12643051
Reddit hates musk ever since he wanted to open tesla during the lockdown and downplaying the pandemic

>>12641763
i agree with the million new satellites being shit

>>12644272
>>12643030
people who were put in by trump betrayed him, so has the FAA trump apointee. These people are in Boeings and bezos pockets.

>>12643051
>Zealand, or japan
>freedom
the only place he could have freedom is on an oil rig off the shore of Tahiti

>>12643632
hahaha you naive fuck

>>12644450
buttmad leftist

>>12642989
>The FAA has arbitrarily decided to suddenly start fucking with SpaceX, barely a week after a new POTUS takes office, and this isn't suspicious at all to you?
FAA fuckery happened before, and SpaceX is not even a blip on Biden's radar given that covid is still a thing, so stop imagining enemies where at most there is some dumb bureaucracy

>>12644364
Land doesn't vote idiot, majority of people live in the blue areas of the maps

I want Musk to establish a moon base and declare independence from terrestrial governments. Fuck this noise.

>>12645118
>"we only need to stuff ballots in a few counties to win the state"

>>12644739
The supreme court ruled in favor of 9 to 0 judges with a similar case because they know what will happen with Chinese nationals.

>>12645204
The founders created the EC system so that the established colonies wouldn't make everyone else serfs, before the gold rush California wasn't as influential.

>>12639588
Good. Fuck them. They dont accept entry-level and the hiring process is absolutely terrible. Hope they burn to the ground

>>12644589
Fuck that stupid story about how much that asteroid is worth. It ain't worth shit if you can't harvest it.

>>12644673
>they really thought capitalism was going to be stuck on earth forever.

That makes a lot of sense actually. Maybe whatever ideology you think is draconian or regressive, the idea of it being continued in space is incredibly offensive and demoralizing, because space is a way for humanity to start fresh and leave the baggage behind. If space isn't a place for adults, where adults can do adult things without be distracted by bullshit, where is?

Me personally, I abhor the thought of identity politics/intersectionality/critical race theory sleeze being brought into space, especially because we were just on track for prejudicial blindness and judging people by their character for decades, and to just throw it in the garbage bin on the cusp of greatness, while at the same time china could prove the solution all along was to be an idea suppressive homogeneous society and surpass us, that would be a fucking shame.

>>12647017
>That makes a lot of sense actually. Maybe whatever ideology you think is draconian or regressive, the idea of it being continued in space is incredibly offensive and demoralizing, because space is a way for humanity to start fresh and leave the baggage behind.

>>12645114
>and SpaceX is not even a blip on Biden's radar given that covid is still a thing

Which is exactly why musk can't go knocking on doors to find someone who will come down on the FAA. The three letter agencies are the executive branch, and likely no one there cares about private space.

>>12646881
No bully but fuck you, the general public needs to be aware of the insane economy exploding wealth that's in celestial objects and some day we're going to need it.

>>12647042
Calm your nuts. Calculate the cost of actually extracting, transporting, and utilizing those resources before sensationalizing them to blow the minds of normies, otherwise you're IFLS-tier.

>>12647034
If Elon Musk were smart, he'd get a nuclear weapon or two and put them into orbit before anybody catches on. He could probably arrange this. Then it wouldn't matter what the federal government thinks.

>>12641616
due to the strength of Mars' atmosphere, actually

>>12647055
Which is why we need an economy of massive scale and people need to think forward instead of quietly believing space is forever irrelevant