/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12640109
Man I really hope SN9 makes it. SN8 set a really high bar

inb4 Elon just launches anyways

>I wish I could turn back time, to the good old days.

>>12640145
There's a 21 rocket pilots joke here but that band is gay as fuck. Rip Jim Bridenstine anyways

>>12640145
>Before the dark times, before the empire

I piss and shit on the FAA

Post space jokes

Anybody here has this book?
https://www.. sciencedirect.com/book/9780128178843/cubesat-handbook

>>12640164
kek

>>12640169
I got a copy of SMAD but all the happenings haven't given me a break to read it.

>>12640164
Boing

>>12640164
NASA

>>12640164

>>12640109
>Axiom Aerospace releases first all-private crew for first mission, they are all white, Twitter is producing copium at a critical level
isn't one of them israeli?

>>12640182
They think jews are white.

>>12640182
Hey now cool it with the anti-semitism

FAA making me feel the need to change into my fedpost shirt.

>>12640164
SpaceX’s launch scheduling

>>12640164
SLS

>>12640164

>>12640109
Biden is president for a week and the FAA is cucking Elon and SpaceX is being investigated for the DOJ for not hiring enough foreigners (when ITAR forces them) and not enough diversity. Holy fuck why can't niggers and kikes fuck off and let us explore space. I'm sure they'll want to tax it to death, divert the money to grifters, gibs, Boeing, subvert the company with low IQ retards, and keep us on this rock forever.

>>12640195
>elites ever letting the plebs out from under their global domination
Oh i'm laffin

>>12640195
Go back a few months in the archives and read all the anons saying "nothing's gonna happen lol you think Biden would fuck up spaceflight? LMAO cope, take your meds, shitpostshitpostshitpost!"

>>12640195
I'd love it if SpaceX allowed the hiring of foreigners. I'd be in America in a heartbeat. If you know how to bypass the ITAR requirements, please let me know.

>>12640195
>SpaceX is being investigated for the DOJ for not hiring enough foreigners (when ITAR forces them) and not enough diversity
Source?

>>12640201
Are you the aussibro? Anyone willing to bust there ass should be willing to get a job. Fuck ITAR (to an extent). You should be allowed in the Martian colony, although vegemite will be illegal

>>12640204
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/28/doj-investigating-spacex-after-hiring-discrimination-complaint-.html
and
https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1343346/download

>>12640195
I don't think the FAA shit is to do with the new administration, the DOJ investigation I'm not so sure about. Considering what it's about it certainly fits, but wasn't it started sometime last year?

JUST IN: Joe Biden CANCELED Starship's development FOREVER

SLS ENGINEERS REJOICING

>Fusion rocket
Is this a meme?

>>12640115
Is that fat or muscle?

>>12640212
It did, the original claims are dated Dec 01, 2020.
https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1343346/download
MIGAs are just going through the anger stage.

>>12640216
That's a woman, so yes, it is a meme

>>12640218
Eryday Astronaut is ripped vro

>>12640216
Yes.

>>12640210
What position was the person turned down for? The article and document weren't obvious with this.

>>12640219
Oh well nevermind then, no problem at all with this blatantly frivolous and nonsensical lawsuit in that case.

>>12640212
>I don't think the FAA shit is to do with the new administration
I don't recall this ever being an issue in the Trump administration. In fact the FAA was seen as pretty based and easy going compared to NASA's certification autism. Plus the FAA is completely controlled by the executive branch.
>the DOJ investigation I'm not so sure about. Considering what it's about it certainly fits, but wasn't it started sometime last year?
Yeah the foreigner apparently complained about it then but now the DOJ is moving on it, subpoenaed SpaceX, and is generally breaking balls. Watch them bitch that methane is a greenhouse gas next and starship should use hydrolox or it kills endangered turtles or some shit.

>>12640181
top fucking kek

>>12640225
>. Watch them bitch that methane is a greenhouse gas next and starship should use hydrolox or it kills endangered turtles or some shit
If that happens then I fucking hope that Texas will be based and shields SpaceX from that

>>12640215
Is this the "build back faster" they promised?

>>12640225
That would also be trivial to slap down by pointing out that rockets' LH2 comes from hydrocarbons and that SRB exhaust plumes are carcinogenic.

>>12640234
There is also ULA and Blue Origin pursuing methane rockets

>>12640208
Not the guy you replied to but that's me. Decade trade experience in welding, will sell soul to Satan for a green card and a job at Boca.

>new biden administration in charge of FAA
>SpaceX suffers more FAA regulatory delays
Is this really it?

>>12640237
Ironically methane is about to get a LOT more expensive unless Bidet's fracking ban is rescinded.

Why exactly didn't the FAA give clearance?

>>12640239
Ah at least you're still here. If I ever get a job at Boca I'll vouch for you

>>12640241
Perhaps a few concerned constituents might, in a calm and polite manner of course, lodge such reasonable complaints through the proper channels?

>>12640242
Why do you think Elon is asking twitter to make easy Sabatier machines?

>>12640243
Because Elon Musk is a rich billionaire ass hole who hates union.

>>12640243
Elon is guilty of Conspiracy to Commit Orangemanbad. That's it.

>>12640243
From what i've gathered:
The FAA claims that after the engine swap SN9 is technically a new vehicle and the paper work filed for the flight is technically for the previous vehicle, not the SN9 currently on the stand.

Basically just bureaucratic dick waving.

>>12640243
Elon picked the "wrong" side

test

>>12640195
So this is the future eh? Can't wait for new NASA director to cancel space exploration for satellites to monitor degradation of savanna or whatever.

>>12640243
engine swap=new vehicle

>>12640255
>The FAA claims that after the engine swap SN9 is technically a new vehicle and the paper work filed for the flight is technically for the previous vehicle, not the SN9 currently on the stand
Source? Sounds like a load of bullshit

>>12640260
Yes Elon, you can shitpost here using Starlink

>>12640263
Just trust me bro

Will Elon take control of Sealand for his offshore European spaceport?

>>12640255
>>12640262
Lovely.
>>12640263
That's how it works for cars. Idk about large planes.
So there is something to it, kinda of.

>>12640269
>NYtimes op-ed: How the US Navy can be leveraged to force Elon's rogue "SpaceX" into following US regulations
>"We'll just shoot him if he won't" a top Navy official has been quoted as saying

>>12640109
OP did a good job with this general. Good job, OP. You are not a faggot.

>>12640276
>Navy beseiges Elons offshore oil rig launch pad to shut down SpaceX
>all hope is lost as the flagship prepares to open fire on the SpaceX platform
>suddenly Cosmic Girl comes flying out of the sky and launches LauncherOne at the flagship destroying it
>SN9 finally takes off as the Navy scrambles in confusion and the Cosmic Girl pilot lifts his thumb at Elon before flying into the sunset
>SN9 performs perfectly and sticks the landing
>SLS randomly blows up on the pad

>>12640225
>I don't recall this ever being an issue in the Trump administration.
Newfag alert!

>>12640225
Could have sworn SN8 was delayed a few times. I had speculated at the time it was FAA fuckery.

>>12640255
But why bring this up now and not just after they changed the engines?

Sounds more like they got new orders from the new administration to fuck with spacex and hinder their operations for not shitting on Trump for 4 years and especially for humiliating old space. Now all of a sudden they are getting hit with lawsuits for petty shit that the government has laws preventing spacex from even doing like ITAR and now the FAA which was previously quite cooperative is now throwing hands up over stupid shit.

>>12640275
>That's how it works for cars.
There's no way. You have to register your car as a completely new vehicle if you replace the engine?

>>12640285
>MV Jaclyn comes in carrying the ULA Fog Machine, causing all the USN ships to collide with errant merchant vessels

>>12640290
So you're saying government literally LOVES spending billions on NASA?

>>12640285
>not deterred the Navy tries to stop SpaceX again
>multiple carriers circle the oil rig
>Cosmic Girl is scared away
>"he can't get away from us this time!"
>ships approach the rig
>the rig begins to shake violently
>Michoud blows up randomly

>>12640285
>competing newspace agencies band together to defeat the hoards of NASA/Boing!
LotR-tier kino

>>12640294
In many countries you have to do something similar for major work like that, yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Srux6vxpp8
y'all we missed the real stream

>>12640294
Yeah actually.
Kind of like how according to the Fed the actual "gun" part of a gun is the receiver, everything can be swapped freely but god help you if you modify or exchange the receiver in any way.

It's kind of a legal precedent (i'm not a lawyer though, take this with a grain of salt) that the "active" part of a machine/vehicle/whatever is legally the controlled entity. So for a vehicle the engine is the actual vehicle.

>>12640296
>ULA redemption arc
Kino

>>12640297
Yes. One man's unreasonably high cost is another man's political gravy train. Guess how Congress looks at SLS.

>>12640276
SpaceX PMC wielding G11s and riding Ekranoplans when

>>12640297
You think they don't?
LOOK.

>>12640306
For guns it's the serialed part that's "the gun." ARs having this on a part that can be replaced with fucking legos has made gun control legislation almost completely worthless.

>>12640307
That's fair enough, just making sure you weren't a /pol/lack charlatanon.

>>12640301
Arise, arise, Riders of Space!
ground shall be shaken, pads shall be splintered,
a rocket-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Launch now, launch now, launch! Launch for ruin and the world's ending!
Death! Death! Death!
Forth Eloningas!

>>12640310
This is fucking kino holy shit

>>12640310
Can someone here explain why?

>>12640297
When the government is friends with old space then yes they do and they especially love telling people that however many people will be employed by nasa in the great state of wherever by bringing nasa to their state to waste another billion making a handful of custom parts for a ship that will fly once at best or just explode.

And these people definitely don’t care about money given that they can spontaneously make it appear out of literally thin air using the fed. So ruining a company who was friendly with one of your political enemies is easily worth wasting a couple billion and this is assuming they don’t cut nasa and just kill space flight in the US entirely.

To guarantee that we will never escape this hell they are building.

Why doesn't Elon just buy Western Sahara?

>>12640318
Gotta go fast

>>12640318
Russia has not had a respectable navy once in the past 400 years. Ask /k/ or /his/ if you think I'm exaggerating. They wanted a naval missile platform without building ships.

>>12640315
>A day may come when the innovation of men fails, but it is not this day! On this day WE FLY!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOA1wBw_Jt4

>>12640318
>ground force effect means you can use less overall energy to move more things across the water at greater speeds while remaining undetected by both radar and sonar
>soviets decide to militarize the idea
>idea falls short after old leadership dies and the flaws of using Ekranoplans is revealed such as poor turning speeds, hard for pilots to maintain the exact height required to keep ground effect in play and problems moving over choppy water
>soviets decide after building anti-carrier prototype to scrub the program

>>12640300
>there's a loud rumbling noise, metal creaking
>oil rig starts to rise out of the water followed by the sea
>U
>S
>A
>engines clear the waterline and send out a shockwave, killing everyone within a 10 mile radius
>incoming wave sinks all of the ships
>Gigaship Heavy roars off on a direct ascent trajectory to Mars

>>12640310
>that thing
wtf
found this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVdH_dYlVB8
Now i remember this video appearing on my youtube feed but I just forgot to watch it. This shit is crazy

>>12640318
The question shouldn't be why, it should be why not

>>12640348
>>Gigaship Heavy roars off on a direct ascent trajectory to Mars
>first stage separates, revealing FUCK URF painted on the engine skirt in 10m high letters for the second stage

>>12640348
>11kT payload mass
BY TSIOLKOVSKY'S BLESSED GHOST

>>12640328
We should gather reactions of true spaceflight fans against the bureaucracy trying to stop SpaceX. Use it to gather more support for spaceflight and to shut down those who would rather see progress stop.

>>12640348
Reminder that the payload values are for an Earth launch despite what the background image accidentally implies. It's Martian payload mass would be much much larger

>>12640320
If leftists only understood they waste of oldspace they'd be URGING biden to support spacex... unless leftists really are the warhawks they often appear to be

>>12640368
For reference the WET MASS of a 20m Orion mission to FUCKING SATURN is less than half that. You could launch TWO BOOMBOOMS AT A TIME with Gigaship.

>>12640325
That's fucking ridonkulous, top kek tbqh

>>12640369
>shut down those who would rather see progress stop.
Is there some way to remove the number of steps involved?

>>12640288
There was FAA fuckery for every SN that flew,

>>12640337
I bet it would be a viable platform with modern avionics

>>12640325
Botes are hard
>t. Russia

>>12640384
Physical removal would just validate their complaints. They should be forced to face the fact that spaceflight isn't just some small nerdy niche or some faceless blob of the MIC. It is an industry that is real with real benefits and a real ability to unite real people.

>>12640387
Yeah, gotta say as compelling as the "gubmint loves oldspace" rhetoric is, I don't see biden being closely involved with todays delay.

>>12640390
So based

>>12640378
You're just now figuring this out? Are you a zoomer, or have you just been asleep for the last 20 years? Left, right, it's all a grift. They're all oligarchs literally just selling the country. Of course they'll fuck future technology and space development for short sighted gains, they're all half a foot in the grave anyway and none of them give a shit about their offspring.

>>12640388
Not as a weapon since modern radar systems or satellites would pick it up immediately.

>>12640395
No obviously I knew that I was just commenting...
Pull your head out of your ass anon

>>12640402
I'll pull my other head out of your mom's ass.

>>12640378
They don’t give a shit about policy, don’t fool yourself, leftists are truly the definition of useful idiots, they have proven this countless times with hypocrisy and double standards. They support anything they are told to support even if it’s in direct conflict with previous wants or claims and they won’t question it.

Musk has made himself an enemy of their leaders so he is now an enemy of them and they don’t care what he is doing even if it is in their interests, they will attack because that is what they are told.

>>12640406
The fuck you will. Not until she's finished.

>>12640401
To be fair the same is true with conventional missile boats with swarm tactics. Granted, if you've got the tech to do modern ekranoplans you probably have the industrial capability to have a blue water navy and don't need to resort to those tactics

>>12640392
Biden doesn’t run shit lad, do you seriously think that guy is some political mastermind laying out all his plans? He is a dementia riddled old man that can’t even change his diapers without help, I doubt he even knows what year it is.. Biden is a figure head the show obviously isn’t being ran by him, but the people behind him and just lay out their shit in front of him to sign.

>>12640392
He isn't, but then again he also isn't closely involved in his own presidency either.

>>12640337
I love the inexplicable forward firing 20mm turret.

https://youtu.be/xvBjkkSe4oU?t=103

>>12640368
>>12640348
Here's your payload, bro

>>12640419
I was replying to someone else who suggested that, not I.

>>12640432
Still too small

>>12640428
It's to sink the fishing boats that they don't have the ability to manoeuvrer around.

>>12640435
I’m saying that the government could still be involved in the fuckery even if Biden himself had pretty much no knowledge.

>>12640441
>cant move around bystanders
>shoot them
how very american

>>12640445
Ah. I get you. Still, It'd be hard for me to imagine deliberately slow bureaucracies being so vulnerable to change. Good lord, am I actually seeing the value in bureaucrats?

>>12640378
you are confusing leftists and liberals again anon.

t. commie who wants to leave this rock with Elon.

>>12640441
It's an Eraknoplan, just hop over them at 100 feet

>>12640452
You're not going anywhere you degenerate idiot

Martian constitution explicitly limiting bureaucracy when?

God please remove all the fucking politic fags from this thread. None of you have a single drop of political power, or a shred of influence. You don't have a single clue how the government works because you learned from /pol/ and twitter screencaps.

>>12640473
>Limiting
You of course mean mandating that all bureaucrats, wannabe politicians, etc be spaced immediately upon discovery, right?

>>12640473
How long did this take you and why did you feel compelled to make it?
Also approximately negative three months.

>>12640475
>You don't have a single clue how the government works
Enlighten us then, oh wise guru-anon.
Edit: don't, nobody cares

>>12640478
I'm thinking no career politicians, no politician salary, and forced agreement on long term plans, but your idea has merit

>>12640482
newfag

>>12640475
What a shot. Is that debris from the rocket, or a flock of birds (next to the engine plume)

>>12640499
Wait they are going laterally, those have to be birds

>>12640490
If you're political theory involves mention of any of the following controlling the government
>The Deep State
>Shadow Billionaires
>Wall Street
>Communists/Socialists
>Old space shills
Then you are completely clueless.

>>12640475
Listen retard. I didn't come into this thread to talk politics but it's kind of unavoidable when spaceflight is forced to cooperate with quasi-political organizations. Complain all you want but this is a general.

>>12640503
t. Jew

>>12640505
I just want MIGAs and crazy lefties to stop astroturfing these threads because the hop got delayed 1 day the same way every other hop has been.

>>12640503
>The Deep State
>Wall Street
Real people with high influence. Do they run all the gears? No. Are they a credible threat? Yes
>Old space shills
Definitely don't run the government but have WAY too much say in space policy and federal money allocation

>>12640491
TANSTAAFL.
Can't afford the inefficiency of bureaucratic bullshit in space, not even the air for breathing can be free of some cost. Shit gets done in the best way that's known how, as quickly and efficiently as possible, for the minimum energy needed to get it done right.
Space colonies can't afford for things to be 5-15x as costly as they actually are, thus space colonies can't afford any bureaucracy, which will be a blessing.

>>12640509
That's understandable.

>>12640491
If anyone grows up saying "I want to be a career politician" they deserve to be fed to the lions

>>12640509
fair, post more cool spaceflight stuff

>>12640515
Someone in the thread during the green run said NASA had to use 720p by law. Surely this isn't true, right?

>>12640509
You're making it worse with your horrid political take(>>12640503) and gatekeeping, retard.

t. someone that also doesn't want non-spaceflight related political discussion here.

>>12640518
I was listening to Beat It when I opened this up. Fits very well

>>12640522
Delusional conspiracy loonies and schizos deserve to be gatekept. In fact, I think almost every online community could use more gatekeeping of crazies.

>>12640503
Good christ I hope this is just an attempt at a funny shitpost

>>12640521
You know I'm not sure if it's law but it would definitely appear to be policy. Same happened with the RS-25s the other week.

>>12640478
>>12640491
To add, how about it be mandated that all politicians have some sort of engineering or scientific background? A Masters at least and none of that soft science shit either.

>>12640531
Why the fuck is NASA so stupid. I hope God sends a lightning bolt to the pad during the maiden flight of SLS and turns that unholy kitbash into sodom and gomorrah

>>12640533
>To add, how about it be mandated that all politicians have some sort of engineering or scientific background?
Would be a problem for smaller states that lack a higher educational base, but could actually work on a larger federal level. Include economic related degrees to the list

>>12640528
How it a conspiracy theory to suggest that powerful groups are able to exert influence on spaceflight and the government itself? Make a thread on /pol/ about your theory, I want to see how ridiculous it is.

>>12640528
You're delusional if you think corporate/government collusion isn't a significant issue. Pretending that red/blue makes any difference probably helps to obfuscate this obvious point for you. Casting allegations of insanity on the anons pointing this out makes you look like a dumb partisan walling himself off on a hill not worth dying on.

>>12640543
>How it a conspiracy theory to suggest that powerful groups are able to exert influence
That's not a conspiracy theory.

>ZOMG GUYS THE NEW BIDEN PICKS LITERALLY TOLD THE FAA TO BLOCK THE STARSHIP HOP
>Holy shit guys the deep state is pressing charges against spacex! They are trying to force them to hire immigrants! they are going to SHOAH SPACEX!!
These are conspiracy theories.

>>12640533
I say space colonies should operate by "big man" government. Provisions are put in place to create a temporary governing body as it is needed, to organize the group for a limited time and to address a specifically identified problem, the nature of the problem itself decides who gets to be in charge of dealing with it.
If there are issues with the colony's electrical systems and a major response is required beyond normal maintenance, then the department dealing with electrical systems is in charge, if it's atmospherics then the life support department is in charge, if it's hydroponics the agricultural department is in charge, and when the problem is solved the provisional government is dissolved and everybody goes back to doing their normal things.

>>12640553
You’re getting angry about maybe like, 3 anons who have bad takes.

>>12640553
The lawsuit is real, if frivolous. Should cooler heads prevail it will be tossed out, that doesn't mean this nonsense wasn't brought up as an attack against SpaceX.
Also, why exactly did FAA announce themselves that SN9 hop was scrubbed? That's odd. Did you know about today's Artemis RS25E test today? I sure didn't.

>>12640563
Maybe, I'm just getting fed up with the amount of unfounded and conspiratorial bullshit everywhere online these days. Seems like everyone has their own version of the lizard people to pin everything they don't like on.

>>12640572
Nigga, public conspiracy against powerful groups has existed since at LEAST ancient greece. Maybe even ancient egypt and the fertile crescent. But I get what you’re saying. Also you got some sexy pics of the shuttle anon.

>>12640572
the conspiracy I just invented today is that the Orb corp Omnisphere doesn't exist. It's a plasma sculpture that jerry pournelle wrote about in the 80s. Can't find a shred of evidence of its existence online.
I wanted to buy one, but alas it might have just been a trade show rebrand where Jerry got his

>>12640553
Exaggerating or being wrong about this specific instance doesn't mean they're not right about the heart of the issue. There are various groups blocking FAA reform and trying to impede the progress of SpaceX, to think otherwise is just naive.

>>12640554
I like the idea of specialised provisional governments as response units, but how do you coordinate long term projects that require input from various specialists? I guess an example would be setting up another Martian base, say at the northern icecap. Furthermore who's in charge of 'big picture coordination'. The long term basis whole colony organisation doesn't lend well to provisionalism. I propose as a synthesis with my original proposal a council composed of triads of representatives from various engineering, scientific and as anon suggested economic fields who make long term decisions and ensure everything is coordinated. Such a body would defer to the provisional government you suggested when needed.

>>12640109
Don’t know why but this shit is funny as fuck. Joe Barnard looks like a failed clone of Elon.

> https://youtu.be/4Srux6vxpp8

F

>>12640164

>>12640585
>failed clone of Elon
As soon as I opened that link I lost my shit hahah

>>12640538
>Why the fuck is NASA so stupid
Congress has spent decades writing laws making them that way.

>>12640572
Conspiracies are not just real they're the norm, the trick is in delineating between the real ones and the lizard-people tier ones.
BTW this is why flat earth nonsense saw a rise in recent years, purposeful obfuscation.
>inb4 the CIA would never!
They tested LSD on unsuspecting citizens well into the 90s, you underestimate their resolve.

>>12640581
The kicker is always how do you do long term projects without introducing tyranny or bureaucracy, since while both of them can wield enough power to get a big project done, both of them tend to produce a buildup of societal garbage that leads to some form of societal collapse, which you can't really afford in a space colony, at least not for the next couple hundred years.
Early on that won't be an issue because the whole process of setting up a colony will be planned out in advance, so the issues will mostly arise from solving any problems that come along the way while following a set of pre-planned goals and/or contingencies in case something fucks up.

I'm not sure what the specific answer is, but I'm damn sure it's still not going to be democracy or autocracy, bureaucracy or oligarchy, since they've got proven track records of being absolute trash.

Ummm, I think this could be a possible win. They could claim they want Starship ASAP to stay ahead of up and coming threats like China
https://spacenews.com/u-s-space-force-acquisitions-to-get-fresh-look-lawmaker-wants-hearings/

>>12640609
Starship will be fine because the Military Industrial Complex sees its value in defending US Assets overseas. Not to be a /Pol/fag but there’s also an Israeli flying on crew dragon AX-1. Trust me, Starship will be fine

>>12640609
>In testimony submitted to the Senate Armed Services Committee for his Jan. 19 confirmation hearing, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said DoD should work with civil space agencies to “leverage innovation and investments driven by the private sector.”

>Austin said a “streamlined and responsive acquisition process” is needed to take advantage of emerging technology.

>He expressed support for DoD’s new space acquisition organizations — the Space Development Agency and the Space Rapid Capabilities Office. These agencies should be given an opportunity to succeed even as DoD looks at possible reorganizations, Austin said. “I will encourage SDA and Space Command to pursue leveraging commercial technology via commercial services … and integrating them into government-owned and operated systems.”

Sounds very good for SpaceX

>>12640607
>I'm not sure what the specific answer is
At the earliest opportunity allow for self directed expansion. Freedom is never wrong.

>>12640609
Based, one of the few instances in which the military-industrial complex will be useful. It's barely been more than a week and they've probably already stuck their arm so far up Biden's ass that when he talks you can see the war hawk's hand.
I saw this coming back when Elon was pimping Starship to the airforce, winning the MIC is much more valuable than winning any single presidential administration.

>>12640607
Personally I think a modified democratic system would work best. The central council or citizens would put forward proposals for large projects or new solutions for current problems. Then you would hold votes on the best ways to go about these projects or whether the proposed solution is a good idea. The main caveat however, would be that you could only vote on the issue after you've proved you actually understand what's being proposed - so informative material would be provided and you would need to take a test demonstrating you've absorbed the info - then you could vote on the issue. This should hopefully minimise the input and damage that retards have on the democratic process while still giving people power - they just have to work for it.
I think in addition, if you push heavily towards getting everyone in your society to have a full STEM education and really laud intellectual pursuits then that should help significantly in reducing the accumulation of societal garbage, hell maybe it would get rid of it if maintained for long enough. If everyone is smart then retardation will be quickly called out and squashed.

>>12640643
That's shot through with problems.
How is the council formed, and can you create a system for electing/picking them that isn't easily corruptible (we still haven't found a way to do this so far in any society I've ever heard of).
Who's proposals are actually given weight? How are proposals picked fairly? What if the majority of the council or populace decides to do something retarded?
Who gets to create the standard for how well informed you have to be on a project before you can vote, and how do you ensure this person or group cannot be corrupted?
What is a full STEM education? There are literally hundreds of STEM fields and subfields, one STEM educated person could, and most likely will be, illiterate in every field except their specialization. Intellectualism/education hasn't seemed to stem the flow or buildup of societal garbage at any point in history.
I have no idea how the civilizations influenced by Aristotelian philosophy went from defining Democracy as an inherently corrupt and immoral perversion of Polity to demanding and valuing Democracy above all other things, including the very survival of their own civilizations.

>>12640671
>I have no idea how the civilizations influenced by Aristotelian philosophy went from defining Democracy as an inherently corrupt and immoral perversion of Polity to demanding and valuing Democracy above all other things, including the very survival of their own civilizations.
Rhymes with Tiggers and Poohs.

>>12640679
I know, I wish I could just stop fucking knowing that there are multiple groups of people making a concerted effort to just fuck everything up for everyone else. I just don't get it, why are some people like this? I cannot for my life understand the mindset of the kinds of people who spend entire lifetimes insisting on pushing failed social systems that have only ever produced shitty results.
This is why I want to fuck off to space, at some point you must be able to get far enough away from other people that it becomes too difficult for them to fuck everything up for you out of blind malice.

>>12640698
They are already trying to fuck it up. And yes I know those people on twitter like Berger and the Jewish reporter are a minority, but they are pushing for diversity in spaceflight and its ruining my soul. They will find a way to make it happen unless their movement is squashed before it is allowed to grow too big.

>>12640698
That type of person has existed basically as long as humanity in general, and getting away from them was a prime driver of migration to settle new places. The world has gone mad since the invention of the telephone and the internal combustion engine because now there are no empty spaces left on the political map. Space colonization is our one remaining escape valve.

Actually I suspect the Great Filter is a race condition between the manipulative crab bucketeers exerting permanent control and the development of spaceflight.

>>12640710
Lot's of people on this earth that have complete contempt for humanity, just a fuck you got mine attitude and many of them have a lot of money.

>>12640698
Genetic predispositions aside, perhaps it would be possible to identify the environmental triggers and causes for such garbage behaviour then simply remove them. I have often wondered what effect post-scarcity would have on human behaviour in general.

>>12640210
A company can be sued for not hiring non citizens? The company also has to hand over copies of all its employees SSNs, drivers licenses and passports as part of discovery? Wtf logic is that?

>>12640429
reentry plasma is so pretty

>>12640572
after all that epstien horseshit I can't really blame people anymore. Recent Leon Black news and this whole GME thing sure as hell doesn't help either.

>>12640389
>>12640325
a classic

>>12640259
I feel like everyone forgets that Elon was like the first guy to ragequit Trump's American leader thing or whatever it was. Elon was pissed that Trump walked out on that shitty Paris accord, so he walked himself and ranted on twitter about it being a dumb choice.
Elon was NEVER a fucking Trump guy I honest to god have no idea where this shit came from.

>>12640587
F

>>12640750
The social revolution of the 2010's requires you have a quota of people with dark skin, and you can prove that you have hired them

>>12640753
Elon was arguably more of a trump guy than a lot of tech people though. Trump seemed to like him too. I’m not saying he was a MAGA dude or anything but you’re naive if you think Elon detested trump or anything like that

>>12640762
Yeah I don't understand how people miss this. Musk works with both sides of the aisle for his benefit. But retards in the US are so idiotic they want to push him into the Nazi corner or the Socialist corner. He's just trying to make electric cars and Mars rockets as quickly and as cheaply as possible, and that entails being friendly with everyone but also calling out everyone

>>12640768
Elon seems to be a libertarian, but socially it appears that he detests liberal shit.

>>12640778
Libertarian isn't an incorrect word for it, but it's a cringey label. Classical liberal is probably a better descriptor. Or "he's in the middle," if you want to be most accurate. I doubt the man even votes

>>12640782
>Libertarian isn't an incorrect word for it, but it's a cringey label. Classical liberal is probably a better descriptor.
Did you seriously just say classical liberal is less cringe than libertarian?

>>12640784
It won't get you laughed out of the room by women as quickly as if you said "Libertarian"
I hate the modern world, anyways though look at this schematic

>>12640796
>It won't get you laughed out of the room by women as quickly as if you said "Libertarian"

>>12640784
Yes? I subscribe to neither if it makes you feel better. I vote for whichever candidate has the firmest handshake

>>12640803
I'm just laughing at how much of an out of touch social retard you are

>>12640806
>says the guy who thinks libertarianism is the least cringey of all systems we just discussed
your opinion is invalid and I have no clue how you even managed to solve the captcha considering your severe case of william's syndrome

>>12640800
>>12640806
a cursory glance at today's memes will prove you wrong not normalfag opinions matter at any rate

>>12640809
Yes, libertariamism is less cringe than classical liberal.
For those that even know what it is, classical liberals are stereotyped as fedora wearing psuedointellectuals

>>12640818
>he says, tipping his trilby to his monitor and unbuttoning the top of his tommy bahama shirt

>>12640821
Who are you quoting?

>>12640306
VIN doesn't change when you change the engine.

They added the SpaceShipTwo guy to the space memorial

>>12640384
Dangerously MeinKraftian post there.

>>12640825
It doesn't matter I don't wanna shit up my thread too much. Anyways, Perseverance (stupid fucking name) is said to be healthy right now, and is approaching the red planet. Landing date is Feb 18th. I sort of want it to fail because planetary protection fags won't have the satisfaction of finding life, if it's even there ready to be found. Just thought I'd remind everyone

>>12640599
This pretty much

>>12640827
Aww that's actually kind of sad. It was just one guy who lost his life right? Was he the guy who pulled the death lever or was that the survivor?

>>12640454
Can't even go that high.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan
>Service ceiling: 5 m (16 ft) in ground effect

https://eyes.nasa.gov/apps/orrery/#/sc_perseverance

soon

>>12640836
Kek, it's basically an Avrocar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar
>Service ceiling: 0.91m (3ft) in ground effect

>>12640839
kek

>>12640846
>your résumé vs. your actual skills

>>12640827
Lol they are going to need to make that thing a whole load bigger if Elon isn't cucked by beauracunts and safetyniggers. LOADS of cunts are going to die in space and on Mars, the whole attitude need to be readjusted anyway

>Oh no seven people died this is literally the astronautocaust

Seriously, seven people dying in a Cessna crash would probably barely even make the local country news.

>>12640830
>not wanting life to be found off this world, one of the most major discoveries in human history, because some random literally whos live rent free in your head

Is this the closest thing to a rocket God?

>>12640862
>>12640862
>This microbe literally changed my life ZOMG WE FINALLY HAVE ANOTHER PIECE OF THE FERMI PARADOX PUZZLE
I literally couldn't give less of a fuck

>>12640856
That's not changing until the notion that you have to be an ultra-trained and experienced ubermensch to be allowed into space changes.

>>12640866
Then why are you on a science board? If you want hollywood bullshit because you have the attention span of a gnat, go watch CGI capeshit or something.

>>12640866
>>12640862
>>12640872
The issue is if life is found on mars, planetary protection types will gain a lot of steam, and they might be able to stop any actual colonization of mars.

>>12640872
I'm half joking just to get a (you) but also the discovery of life would majorly fuck up science on the Martian surface, especially geology. Rent free or not, those assholes on twitter will lobby enough to cuck Musk and you know it

>>12640862
I'd rather keep the hype than let the protectfags have an excuse to say "OH LOOK, MUH INDIGINEOUS POPULATION MUPPHHH BE PROTECTHHHED!" and halt human spaceflight. They have the right to vote, and it angers me.

Does anyone have the hi-res Starship upskirt shots from the previous thread? I remember they were too big to post and It's not on the archive.

>>12640876
>>12640878
>>12640881
Literally zero chance of that happening. If westerners are too retarded and knee cap themselves then chinks will just do it instead, which will eventually put boot to ass on westerners when the MIC starts breathing down their neck.

>>12640899
Good point

HOP WHEN

>>12640904
29th January, 2121

>>12640856
>Yes goyim remember the six gorillion astronauts that died on Columbia :)

>>12640865
Holy shit it’s scary

>>12640896
gotchu senpai
https://imgur.com/a/imSo3pP

>>12640921
Thanks dude no

>>12640921
Thanks dude

>>12640910
NO

>>12640865
What does god need with an FAA permit?

>>12640977
"Forgive them, father. They know not what they scrub."

>>12640899
I think planetary protection as a concept could only gain a foothold in the first place because space industry is entirely made up of a tiny pool of science eggheads overthinking everything.
Expand the pool of people involved and the collective will give much less of a shit.

>>12640984
Planetary protection means a strong orbital defense grid with particle beam weapons.

>>12640509
what the fuck is a MIGA

>>12640984
Yeah it's gotta be about finding the balance. Too many eggheads and you have progressive culture because they are all college liberals. Too many normies and you have progressive culture because normies are progressive. But have eggheads with normal/qualified people and you have a good balance and the eggheads stfu because they are the minority.
>>12640982
lel

>>12640989
It's a poor astroturfed attempt at an insult for Trump supporters. It means the poster using it is an enormous faggot.

>>12640990
>Too many normies and you have progressive culture because normies are progressive.
Urban normies yeah. Suburban normies are mixed and rural normies aren't

>>12640988
>Orbital defense Casaba howitzers and kilometre long railguns
Ayyliens can fuck off At least until they erase the planet with a relativistic kill vehicle

>>12640989
MIGA HAGGINEN :DDDDD

>>12640991
ah, thank you
that second part was self-evident, however
>>12641002
ah, yes, thank you
here, have a Gimi

>>12640989
For me? it's a very courteous way to save me time reading the rest of their post.

>>12641002
based

>>12640306
The frame of the car is what's considered 'the' car, not the engine.

>>12641025
one could argue 99% of a rocket is an engine and the rest of is just a big metal tube and cargo
that said, fuck FAA

>>12641043
based edit

MUSK STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT CYBERFLOP AND FUCKING LAUNCH

My man shilling cryptocurrencies. When is he establishing his decentralised finance space launch empire in the mid atlantic?

When the hell does Elon sleep?

>>12641082
*MEO

>>12640384

based GUN poster does it again

>>12641181
Not that guy, I'm actually the regular gunposter, people have been beating me to it lately and that's a good thing!

>>12640517
And if he's not able to kill and eat the lions instead he's not going to succeed anyway.

>>12640827
Where the fuck are all the Russians? They could have made it truly meaningful instead of focusing mainly on NASA's incompetence.

guys help

>>12641204
They would have to build another memorial.

ya'll have any RIDESHARE FLYAWAY HARDWA?

>>12641259
It has removable panels. At the very least they could have some stone cutter come in and carve the names.

Does SNX have approval yet?

>>12641279
yeah, I think it's super cool

>>12641212
quick, recover debris!

>>12641279
nope
unironically, the "SN9 won't fly before Q2 2021" schizos were actually fucking right, the FAA keeps cucking elon

Gerstenmaier on the console

Gerstenmaier on the console

>>12640865
Hail Probe

:^)

>>12640989
It means "Make Israel Great Again", it's a mocking term for MAGA people due to the inconsistency of their support, since a lot of them are anti-semitic, but Trump is an extreme Israel friendly president, doing almost everything Israel wanted

where were you when hop was kill?

>>12641345
I want to scratch that.

>>12640337
still top useless but impressive soviet engineering kino.

>>12640838
pretty cool site

>>12641371
it's for the falcon 9 launch that was scheduled for today

>>12641371
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=16&adv_date=01292021&facId=DCC&title=OPERATIONS+PLAN&titleDate=01/29/21
>SPACEX STARSHIP ROCKET LAUNCH
CANCELLED FOR TODAY
fuck

>>12641435
WRONG
>>12641371
here's an update

>>12641452
FUCK
A
A

>>12641454
found the ula sniper

>>12641454
We don't give a flying fuck about what's going on in metro DC, Boston, or LA
THIS IS TEXAS

>>12641469
Its the FAA causing it because they haven't completed their review apparently

Starhopper is... displeased.

So they're setting up in hope of approval within a few hours?

>>12641493
They are still preparing in Texas though. Residents getting evacuated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpQwQx4Q_Dc&ab_channel=NASASpaceflight

>>12641493
Why are they getting so anal about this now when they didn’t say shit after spacex changed the engines and static fired them successfully?

It looks like they waited until the last second and started bringing up all their bullshit.

I can’t wait until these launch rigs are ready because I fear these problems with the FAA will become increasingly annoying.

>>12641505
Biden

Get the FAA on ze line

Wtf bros, NSF stream says the pad is cleared. Is it launching or what?

>>12641510
they could test sn7.2 i think?

>>12641510
TEXIT

>>12641511
I don't think they evacuate for 7.2 tests. At least, I don't think they did for the one a few days ago.

If TFR still existing, they could get approve last minute.

>>12641515
>here's how Elon can still win!

>>12641287
>schizos
Sure thing, bud

Hop today?

>Twitter.com/faanews

Spam them shitty memes

>>12641559
FAA offices dont oper for two more hours

FLAPS ARE MOVING!

No HOP

I've got to say, I think political interference is a real possibility in why SN9 was stopped from launching by the FAA.

The flight profile is the same as SN8. The vehicle is the same as SN8. The village is evacuated. There's a FTS on it. What's the safety issue? What can the hold-up possibly be?

It's either collossal incompetence or political interference, and neither can be dismissed out of hand. Anyone saying otherwise is deluded or trying to fool you.

FUCK THE FAA

Residents allowed back to the village

F

>>12641681
Do you have a single shred of proof?

>>12641709
I mean, if nothing else, there is the well-known revolving door between Boeing and the FAA. Have you paid attention to the news at all in the last 2 years?

>>12641681
if you have to choose whether the government is being incompetent or actively malicious, it's almost always incompetent

Ah man I can already hear the beady eyed cope of the space tubers trying to rationalize the Biden FAA canceling every SpaceX flight in the next 4 years. But muh blue team red team, what do you mean they steal and embezzle millions every year. It's for safety, think of the meatbags!

>>12641717
>Do you have proof
>No, but it's well known...
So no, you have zero proof.

>>12641722
I want the trump cultists to leave /sfg/ and never come back.

>>12641709
>party that despises spaceflight comes into power
>suddenly all spaceflight is cancelled
hmm

>no hop before february
can't believe this guy was right

SN10 moving to launch pad it seems, two starships at the launch pad at the same time, K I N O

>>12641725
I don't even like Drumpf but he wasn't an old money grifter obstructionist partially because he was too incompetent to be in the club. Tesla/SpaceX is new money if you think the political financial club wants them around you got another thing coming.

>>12641709
Here's the evidence: SN8 launched, SN9 was stopped; the mission parameters are identical, so where's the safety issue?

>>12641720
Yeah, I can't ever discount the dysfunctionality of large organisations. It's absolutely the more likely cause. But I have to note that malice is a possibility, and not nearly remote enough to be discounted out of hand.

>>12641724
>what is speculation

>>12641726
The party that despises spaceflight? You mean the party that kept commercial resupply and started commercial crew? Come on anon, it's time to come back to reality.

>>12641737
This means literally nothing. You can't just look at two events that have different outcomes and assume it's because of corruption or whatever crazy conspiracy is sexy to you weirdo today.

>>12641738
Yep, I'm calling out baseless speculation by asking for a single shred of evidence.

I really don‘t get it, how long does something like this take to be approved? What‘s the fucking matter with those bureaucrats??

>>12641744
The most logical explanation is the FAA is being more strict after that car drove past a fully fueled starship during the SF tests.

>>12641740
Anon the reality it is theater and every politician is a mercenary grifter funneling tax money to favored companies they all insider trade, they all bail each other out when commercial crew/cargo started it was basically just another grift contract for Boeing they thought SpaceX would fail, only a few people wanting to see actual progress in Nasa/DOD helped them and they succeeded. Now the old people are back in charge and will shit all over space x for four years for embarrassing Boeing.

>>12641725
You bring it up every day, how many more cheap (you)s does a 'man' really need?

>SN10 rolling out
WHAT FOR?

>>12641740
Not him but that's a dumb position to take. I don't think this is being actively done as a result of the new administration but they actively decry manned missions to space and support the belief that colonization of other worlds is colonialism and that we're going to pollute the ecosystems of other planets. They may have done that back in the Obama years but as we all know they can and will change their position on a dime to whatever suits their needs, and what does right now is portraying space ventures as the wasteful spending of rich white men.

>>12641746
Anon will reply to this post saying "nuh uh!"
This is because he has a small penis, please be patient with him.

>>12641749
maybe the paperwork for SN9 was fucked up because of the engine swap and tipping over in the high bay so it's easier just to move on to static firing SN10 for now

>>12641746
Do you have a SINGLE fact to back any of that up. Like a link to official internal investigation findings, or ANYTHING that is not more fan-fiction from you about stuff you have never been involved with in your life.

>>12641741
why do you think it's baseless? Clearly there is some reason for why FAA is holding up this launch, and we don't exactly know why yet. We know there is a heated rivalry between SpaceX and Boeing, and we know that the FAA has a revolving door with Boeing. Are you retarded? This is clearly a plausible explanation. I'm not even saying conclusively this is what's happening but holy shit.

>>12641750
>I don't think this is being actively done
So you just like to keep the vague notion of lizard people or deep state or w/e to blame over things you don't understand. Got it.

>>12640876
Nah. Mars is geologically dead, is losing what's little atmosphere it still has and Sol is not going to exist in this stage long enough for any chance of complex life to develop anywhere on the inner planets. Cordon off some of the places where life is found for study and settle everywhere else. Not to mention you'd want to be underground anyway.

>>12641755
I don't believe things because they are "plausible", I believe things because they are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt with documents and investigation details, which you have been unable to provide any of.

>>12641757
What?

>>12641753
>static firing
Yeah I guess I should've figured that out. Part of me wished they'd do a sn10 hop instead but of course that would be bonkers.

>>12641761
t. cs major

>>12641762
You don't have any proof that the FAA is doing anything shady, but it's comforting and more fun to pretend there is some secret group inhibiting progress then just government bureaucracy being slow and inefficient for safety reasons.

>>12641761
I was going to reply to this, but actually I'm just going to sit back and admire this skillful ruse. (Unless you're actually serious about that epistemology, in which case, lol, guess you don't believe your mother gave birth to you either.)

>>12641754
>>12641761
Found the guy with the I Fucking Love Science hoodie. Probably follows "God" on FB too.
>>12641762
Ask yourself after reading that abysmal attempt at a retort: Do I really need to keep talking with this little faggot? You're welcome to, it's just that I wouldn't fucking bother myself.

>>12641749
no time to waste pal. they can do a lot of test on sn10 if they can't launch sn9 immediately

>>12641768
No? I literally said I don't think that yet and that I currently believe it's more likely just random bureaucratic fuckery.

>>12641754
You are literally retarded and illiterate. No there is no recording of phone calls of the FAA or heads of Boeing actively sabotaging their engineering processes to milk more money out of programs for decades. No there is no phone call or recording of any of this happening. Why the fuck would people doing cost plus contracts document their own corruption? There are things is this world unknowable to the public and you can only speculate based off incentives, and money, and public facing behavior.

It is not speculation that any politician is corrupt name one that you like and I can find insider trades, or 100k+ speaking fees, or what have you about them. Name one you like and I'll find you their dirty laundry. As for Boeing trying their hardest to engineer things as paid for the government without negligent grifting I think only a small child would deny that. No there won't be a paper outlining it because they have political capital but it is obvious Boeing extorts money from the government apparatus from their engineering behavior and results.

Finally, you are an illiterate person who doesn't know the difference between empirical reasoning and rational deductive reasoning you haven't read the philosophy you have no clue and insist on a false religious style favoritism towards the empirical process which these days has been turned fool by political processes. There are things a paper will never be written on because of political realities, that doesn't mean they aren't true or reasoning cannot be used on them. Empirical evidence without logical deductive conclusions is worthless and often the deductive conclusions are distorted to whatever the author wishes to be along with the empirical ones.

>>12641693
So what is that, 8:50am local time?

So she had already been evacuated prior to 8:50am? That's pretty damn early.

>>12641771
>Everyone I don't like is a popsci nerd!
Notice how these conspiracy tards have completely abandoned trying to "prove" thier conspiracy theory and are now just pushing for discrediting me for simply asking for basic evidence.
They do this because getting nailed on their lack of proof makes them really nervous and upset. Flat earthers are the exact same.

>>12641783
>t. frequent flat-earth poster

>>12641740
politics back in 2008 or whatever weren't completely infested with woke brainrot, these days the mainstream democratic party believes space exploration is racist colonialism

>>12641693
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12641780
>Ok fine there is no proof.....
>but some politicians got lots of money for a speech once! That means it's still 'plausible'
lmao

>>12641788
The mainstream democratic party doesn't believe that. Twitter is not real life, or reflective of the mainstream democratic party.

>>12641771
>>12641776
Apparently some posters have difficulty with probabilistic reasoning, and think that plausibility is the same as certainty. I'd love to play poker with some of them.

>>12641786
Yep, no good response. You've been thoroughly spanked, and now can only cry like the mental child you are.

>shitposting while attaching unrelated spaceflight images
No wonder the image limit is always being hit so early these days

>>12641801
I love the black sky of moon photographs. It's just completely alien.

So when is SN9 hop happening?

The year 2050? 2100? 10,000?

>>12641790
Your standard for proof is ridiculous for the circumstance, you want to prove legal wrong doing that the perpetrators would actively try to hide with a academic style paper.

We can only look at the facts, the people and the money. If you refuse to deduce at that point because you are retarded I don't know waht to tell you.

https://www.pogo.org/database/pentagon-revolving-door/companies/boeing/

https://bgr.com/2019/10/17/sls-contract-boeing-nasa-cost-plus/

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936080917/faa-gives-boeing-ok-to-resume-737-max-passenger-service

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/boeing-co/summary?id=D000000100

>>12641804
Yeah he's really going all-out with the baitposting today, I guess he's just mad about SN9.
I mean m8 we all are but this is just garbage, stop pretending to be so adversarial with random anons like some kinda fag.

>>12641801
Keep btfo the conspiracy tards.
Someone has to clean this general.

>>12641810
>DUDE BOEING LITERALLY PAID OF THE FAA TO BLOCK SN9's HOP!
>Wow that sounds crazy! Got any proof?
>Uhhhhhhh some people at the pentagon worked for boeing, and the FAA let them fly the 737 max again after almost 2 years of safety review
You're embarrassing yourself anon.

If the Romanposter were here he'd have chased off these unclean redditors.

>>12641807
Next month.

>>12641819
>Uhhhhhhh
And you called HIM embarrassing
go back to posting fox pussy you dork

>>12641806
For me it's the complete lack of haze.

>>12641810
That's confirmation bias you brainlet conspiracy tard.
What could disprove the hypothesis that the FAA is favoring Boeing and screwing up SpaceX?

>>12641826
>Gets BTFO
>Pivot to name calling
Every time

>>12641819
Corruption in the government doesn't need to be proven, its the default state.
Come back when you can prove that there ISN'T corruption.

>>12640827
as long as they don't add that CHECK YER STAGIN' boomer who was being paypiggied by flattards,

>>12641832
For me to be btfo I'd have had to present some argument, and the only one I presented (you being a fag) has yet be refuted. I didn't pivot to namecalling I led with it, lurkmoar and post less.

>>12641834

>>12641844
Once again, notice how they completely abandon trying to prove their conspiracy theory after the slightest pushback, and revert to name calling and insults.

>>12641834
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

>>12641849
>can't tell when he's talking to more than one anon
Anon, lurk moar wasn't a pithy one-liner it was advice

>>12641858
Maybe you should start using a trip so I can filter you conspiracy tards

>/sfg/: Shitposting faggot general

>>12641865
You being an annoying dork is the only claim I made all day and you've supplied ample evidence to support the theory itt. If you want to 'dunk' on anons I'm pretty sure reddit is more your style, I hear they're all dorks over there.

>>12641831
A reasonable explanation for why SN9 was denied a launch license for Thursday when it was so similar to SN8 - even if it's 'yeah, sorry, the diversity hire screwed up the data entry, then Dave sat on his hands fixing it because he's retiring in ten years, and no-one else is allowed to touch that process and get things unstuck because of this Dubya executive order that no-one's bothered to fix'. Obviously, we're not going to get that said publicly, and we'll probably never know the truth one way or another.

Like I said before, some kind of stupid incompetence within an ossified bureaucracy is the most likely cause here, and probably by some way the most likely cause, but - like I also said before - the possibility of deliberate interference can't be discounted out of hand.

WHERE IS MY LAUNCH I WANNA SEE PRETTY EXPLOSIONS ALREADY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12641880
Oh yes I saw this gif a long time ago and meant to save it. Hahah thanks. And yeah the FAA is being tricky again today (surprise, surprise)

Can you girls go be passive-aggressive about the latest social media hotness somewhere else? /soc/ maybe?

>>12641888
Apparently we're crazy for noticing the FAA slowing way down with these approvals anon. Careful or anon might FACTS AND LOGIC at you really hard.

>>12641834
kys retard

>>12641896
Hello few faggot. This is not new for the starship program. I know it might feel like that because this is the first hop you are following live, but it's always been like this, for every single starship test flight.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/08/faa-spacexs-starhopper-hop/
>SpaceX’s Starhopper test vehicle – after several days of delays while waiting for Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) approval – successfully carried out its 150 meter test flight on Tuesday afternoon from Boca Chica, Texas.
>after several days of delays while waiting for Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) approval

https://observer.com/2020/12/spacexs-starship-test-launch-cleared-for-friday-liftoff/
>The Federal Aviation Administration on Wednesday cleared a Temporary Flight Restriction for SpaceX’s Boca Chica, Texas launch site, putting the company on track to proceed with a critical test of its newest Starship prototype this weekend.
>However, the TFR was later retracted on Thursday. The Starship prototype is now expected to launch on Monday, December 7, pending final approval from the FAA.

>>12641819
>>12641831

Ok fine making me do actual work because you are fucking brainlets. Third largest shareholder of Boeing, Blackrock, people with skin in the game. Biden hired two high level Blackrock employees directly for his Economic cabinet.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/02/wall-street-brian-deese-antony-blinken-revolving-door/

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3653649-biden-considering-morgan-stanley-resilience-head-for-new-cybersecurity-role

Morgan Stanley 8th largest shareholder former employee considered for position in defense cabinet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_G._Bradbury
https://www.dechert.com/locations/regions/cis.html

Now here is the real kicker the silver bullet and I laughed when it came up. The new Transportation department head overseeing the FAA is Steven G. Bradbury who used to work for law firm Dechert. Dechert according to their own page

" Boeing on various matters, including on its US$60 million joint venture with Open Joint Stock Company “Corporation VSMPO-Avisma”, the world’s largest titanium producer, to machine titanium forgings manufactured by VSMPO for Boeing or Boeing’s subcontractors located in Verkhnyaya Salda, Sverdlovsk Oblast, Russia for use in the Boeing 787 Dreamliner;"

So the new head of the Transporation Department actively lawyered for Boeing. It's all one big club. Space X/Tesla isn't part of the club they don't have appointees in government as they are new money.

Now you know why investment sites like seeking Alpha doggedly research cabinet appointments? Because they know the portfolio of these companies will get favorable treatment.

>>12641909
It's to be expected. SN8's success has increased traffic on this general.

>>12641892
So asking shitposters to stop gets deleted but their posts aren't. Nice, I guess /sfg/ is done for.

SN10 being rolled out is this true?

>>12641925
Seems like it, it's halfway out of the midbay right now, and the crane is being setup

>SN10 static fire
>it explodes and destroys both starships

>>12641909
>Hello few faggot
I'll spend the day wondering what he meant by this
>>12641921
Maybe janny is having fun yelling at anons itt today and doesn't want to stop yet. If this post is deleted we'll know.

>>12641909
Starhopper got shit on so much it’s crazy

>>12641745
nuke all boat boomers
>>12641921
because REPORT AND IGNORE faggot, that post failed to do either, you may now go back to lurking moar

>>12641909
That god someone said this, can't believe how fast anons seem to forget stuff that happened a few months ago.

>>12641931
>resulting shrapnel flies into the high bay and levels it, destroying the superheavy prototype too

>>12641944
Jeff WHO?

>>12641941
It doesn't exactly help that /sfg/ has been waiting for this flight since around the start of the year. How many times have we thought "hop this week!" so far this year? At least four it seems.
>>12641941
>though not on-site at the time of the accident, Elon was found dead due to two shrapnel wounds in the back of his head, wrapped up in a duffel bag and left in a motel room bathtub. FBI in partnership with the FAA and ULA have ruled it a suicide.

>>12641807
April 1st

>>12641956
>How many times have we thought "hop this week!" so far this year? At least four it seems.
This isn't new either, didn't SN8 sit on the pad for like 2 months?

>>12641963
SN8 was on that pad for an eternity. I think we all expect these prototypes to reach the pad and fly within the same week, but it seems to be more complicated than that (both because of SpaceX issues like engines, and federal issues like being gay)

>>12641963
Was it that long? I remember it had to sit a while longer after the spicy concrete-spray following that one static fire, that cost them like two weeks or so right?

And people claimed nothing will change. RIP SpaceX. China is unironically our last hope now.

so what's the deal with hops on weekends? Is it really not allowed?

>>12641968
Just about that long, SN8 was stacked on the pad in October, and flew in December.

>>12641977
They have to limit weekend beach closures.

>>12641968
I remember when that happened a lot of people just decided that SN8 was a total loss and would never fly.

>>12641976
Dilate

>>12641977
Local government wants to beach open on weekends.

See you on the Moon, nerds.

>>12641968
Was this also the SF that had the molten diarrhea coming out after?

>>12641987
lmao. I guess that's how it's going to go. Good on Cameron Country for standing up to SpaceX on behalf of their citizens 2bh.

>>12641987
Why can't they just tell people to stay the fuck off their beach? It's theirs, isn't it? I thought that whole peninsula belonged to them, how are they still getting range violations?
At this point just start mining the fucking sand or offer the ULA sniper double-pay to protect SN9.

>>12642002
Ahhahahahh no.
The Texas constitution has public beaches written into it. It’s incredible in the first place that SpaceX is being allowed to close it at all.

>>12641993

>>12642002
Dude, 30 seconds with Google Maps would show you that most of it is Boca Chica State Park. They just have tiny little pockets of land.

>>12642002
they're public beaches. There are not many places in the US where you can actually own a beach. Most "private beaches" are just private because all access to them is privately owned.

>>12641993
From the thumbnail I thought the lander had a merchants nose shopped on as part of the anti SNX narratieve. I might be starting to lose it

>>12641845
>the government isn't corrupt
you really are a special kind of retard aren't you

>>12642060
Kek, I can relate