/sci/ - Science & Math

Hop?

>>12635108
Appreciate?

>>12635118
Never.

>>12635118
FAA is being a bitch. Thursday is "possible" but NSF doesn't think it's likely.

>>12635108
LUVOIR is cool. Too bad the JWST platform has so far proven only the extreme complexity of such designs with the current slow paced focus. Hopefully these fancy new heavy launchers will change things a bit. For me, it's the 1km diameter inflatable sphere or something like that to use as a lens telescope. That'd be cool as fuck and within realm of possibility

What the fuck is causing the delays of JWST? And yes I understand contractors want money. But how do they justify pushing it back this much?

>>12635147
space hard

>>12635147
engineer led project solves problems in elegant, but cost and time inefficient ways.

>>12635147
>But how do they justify pushing it back this much?
"we need more money"

F

how do i become an asstronaut? (in canada)

>>12635120
What’s Bezos doing at KSC?

>>12635206
Step 1: Be Aboriginal
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit

>>12635206
Ask Trudeau out

>>12635206
Do what Hatfield or that other lady did. Letterkenny had a whole thing about it.

Perseverance conference starts in 5 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70rKVFNtV7c

>mfw no jump this entire week
what is the point on keep on living?

>>12635189
54 years today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_YrGKVGgwA
Here's a decent dramatization for anyone curious. I was dreading this scene when I saw the film in theaters, at least once I'd realized they were going to include it.
F

>>12635254
From the Earth to the Moon does it well I think

Wow didn't know germans still worked at nasa

Pour out a cold one for Spirit and Oppy

Is there any other option for a manned Mars mission than Starship? I mean really.

>her robust set

>>12635279
yes, but they all require some form of in-orbit refueling which is the real technical hurdle that needs to be overcome

>>12635147
It's not just contractors, it was mismanaged from day 1. JWST had it's first budget crisis before the prime contract had even been awarded. The fact it is extremely complicated means that it's prone to errors in handling. It is large, complicated and cryogenic which all drive up the cost.

>>12635279
Theres always the lockheed martin concept if you want to go the oldspace route.

>>12635189
>>12635254
What would of happened if the apollo 1 catastrophe never occurred?

>>12635309
Is it like a scaled-up Apollo?

How much would it cost to build and launch a space telescope that's better than Hubble but not JWT-tier? Could it be done privately?

>>12635318
Nope
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/mars-base-camp.html

>>12635317
We'd maybe have remembered Gus Grissom as the first man to walk on the moon.
My gut says there'd been some other catastrophic fuckup sometime later during the Apollo program

>>12635324
Oh I like this.
>>12635291
As far as orbital refueling goes (say in the case of lockheed), can't they just send two and hope to god it works?

>>12635131
LUVOIR is a terrible idea from the start. They took at the painful lessons of JWST and threw them out the window. It's also a massive fuck-you to early career astronomers, because it would take 2 decades to implement (assuming no delays). So in 10 years time when the next large mission should be selected by the next Decadal Survey there won't be any money for a second mission. They want to take the disastrous JWST development and make it the new norm.

>>12635333
Nice trips.
Lockheed martin is definitely the least bad of oldspace

>>12635333
I liked it until I saw cramped it is. Also that hydrolox tank is ridiculous

>>12635342
no way you wouldn't go crazy in that cramped space after 7 months

>>12635342
That is pretty fucking crazy. I'm already used to Starship's scale

>>12635342
Would this be viable if you switch it out for methalox?

>>12635324
>>12635342
I would not trust that rail.

>>12635338
Indeed

>>12635317
WIth a high-pressure oxygen atmosphere and without the re-designed door? Something bad would have happened anyway, but it would have been in space. At least by being relatively early in the program, they got that problem out of the way before it would have really fucked over their momentum.

>>12635367
replace the 6 rl10 engines with a single raptor and let it run on methane. That should save some space, yeah.

>>12635367
It probably would be.

What are the chances of SpaceX getting scientist with shovels to Mars before NASA musters the funds for another martian rover to recover the samples Perseverance will leave behind?

https://www.faa.gov/data_research/commercial_space_data/launches/?type=permit

I guess this must be the place to look for FAA approvals. The prior starship flight activities are listed if you search for them

>>12635342
is this supposed to be a lander or is it supposed to go the entire trip from earth to mars?

>>12635388
lander I believe

>>12635383
SpaceX will only send engineers to mars, at least at first.

>>12635246
>>12635383
I've never understood the whole "robotic exploration is cheaper than HLS". Factually robotic exploration has overran it's budgets by the orders of 10x or more, has failed with many of it's objectives, and the objectives themselves have been very small and conservative. Humans got a shitload of science done on the moon, the rocket was expensive but it yielded results. Rovers would only ever make sense if you built them by the thousands, one-off machines are always extremely expensive.

this isn't the first time spacex has struggled with the faa
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-next-starhopper-flight-needs-faa-permit-says-musk/
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starhopper-second-final-flight-test-approved/

>>12635398
also this: https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-starhopper-rocket-launch-liability-insurance-faa-mandate-2019-8?op=1

>>12635395
>Factually robotic exploration has overran it's budgets by the orders of 10x or more, has failed with many of it's objectives, and the objectives themselves have been very small and conservative
Got a collection or sources to those facts? Could be useful ammo against "muh slow sustainable exploration" types

>the virgin SpaceNews/arstechnica
>the CHAD Spaceflight Now

https://spaceflightnow.com/2021/01/24/spacex-launches-record-setting-rideshare-mission-with-143-small-satellites/

>>12635384
Why does Rocket Lab need FAA approval to launch from New Zealand?

>>12635398
But they are going to take away the January HOP from us!

>>12635410
America owns the whole world

>>12635323
It's difficult to say, because nothing on that scale has been attempted outside of the few space agencies. A telescope like that cannot be built from off the shelf components. Most likely it would be over a billion, maybe a few. It strongly depends on the goals because "better than HST" isn't very specific.

All private space telescope projects to date have failed. There was Planetary Resources who planned a tiny telescope, but still gave up. Then there was the B612 Foundation. It could be done privately, but it would take a shit load of money.

HOP WHEN

>>12635395
The arguments usually boil down to space is hard and dangerous why would you want to go there? We should use robots to find out if it's even possible

Fuck that coward shit, strap me to a rocket and fire it at the moon, I am ready.

Is this the same cutie as the post SLS conference? She seems qt-er

>>12635317
Someone else would've burned. Russians burned one of theirs as well to learn that lesson.

>>12635395
> Factually robotic exploration has overran it's budgets by the orders of 10x or more
How much did Constellation cost?

> Humans got a shitload of science done on the moon
And it cost a shitload of money. The question is about efficiency, science/dollar.

>Rovers would only ever make sense if you built them by the thousands
What would the 1000th rover teach you that the other 999 could not? Understand diminishing returns. Instead of wasting money exploring every pothole on Mars you could instead do 1 rover, a Europa lander and a Neptune Orbiter.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/01/space-force-trump-biden/617812/
>Trump’s pet projects.
>Trump's

>Recommended Reading
>No One Should ‘Colonize’ Space
>Why Trump Wants to Go to the Moon So Badly

These leftist rags really shouldn't comment on space, they are so clueless and ignorant its laughable

>>12635447
We should do those other things too, but we should strive to have as complete understanding as possible of what's local to us.

>>12635317
Remember that Apollo 13 still happened. Despite all the changes, and despite spending four manned missions, just to make sure that they can get safely to the Moon, land there, and get back.

>>12635147
Hasn't it finally finished all testing and is pretty much just waiting to be launched later this year?

>>12635455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3oGuDw3_d4

>>12635447
>Instead of wasting money exploring every pothole on Mars you could instead do 1 rover, a Europa lander and a Neptune Orbiter
You do know that those places are much more diverse beyond the 14 miles that could be explored by a rover, right?

>>12635455
The media is the enemy of the people and does not exist to inform.

>>12635431
>A telescope like that cannot be built from off the shelf components.
I'm not entirely sure about that, Of course you'd need very specialized optics and sensors but there are a few private businesses already operating reconnaissance satellites to provide near real-time earth imagery at various wavelengths, so I'd assume a good part of the tech stack would already be available.

>>12635447
Constellation was as bad as the Shuttle program, dictated first, second and third by who was getting paid and dead last if it was useful or not.
Yes, blasting through a technological terra incognita that was human spaceflight was very expensive, but that cost has already been paid. Every robot you develop costs a sizable fraction of any HLS scheme you could design, designing many robots is going to be more expensive than just making one solid HLS system and flying the humans around. Starship seems to be heading in this direction, discarding the hydromeme and "every gram counts!!!11" autism of the past.

>>12635455
the article itself is not critical of the space force at all. It acknowledges that it's not of Trump's invention and is not going anywhere. The point of the article is basically summarized here:
>With Trump gone, the new administration now finds itself having to embrace a piece of government saturated with MAGA spin and disdained by the left, and make it seem as ordinary as it actually is.
and goes on to say this:
>“There is a concern that there’ll be a knee-jerk reflex of people who aren’t familiar with space issues to be like, ‘That was a Trump program; let’s get rid of it,’” Samson told me. But those calls will likely come from people who believe the Space Force is a Trumpian vanity project, not people within the Biden administration itself, who likely know differently.
maybe you should actually have read the article first

>>12635455
>No One Should ‘Colonize’ Space
Good thing not everyone is going to listen to that mess and will push for space colonization anyways. There are reasonable debates over how should expansion into space be done, but people like her who demands zero or very little progress of space until parameters unrelated to spaceflight are met shouldn't be listened to. They'll just end up creating a self fulfilling prophecy of space being problematic because they already see it that way instead of looking at the real tangible results and benefits of the industry. People like her should be publicly called out whenever they crop up

>>12635508
>literally whoberg
My sides

>>12635455
All media is propaganda for either side. Neutral reporting don't exist anymore.

Imagine if that Chinese rover actually lands without issues.

>>12635519
>for either side
more recently they've dropped the pretense of different sides entirely and are embracing the neoliberal uniparty

>>12635478
>>12635519
It all has to go straight into the fire
>>12635526
I wonder how long it will take for NASA to image the landing site to check for craters

>>12635526
I hope so. It'll be a sign that space exploration isn't just for an exclusive club that was made in the 50s. Hopefully it'll drive others to explore space too. Still gonna make "Taiwan-1" jokes though

>>12635457
The reality is that these things are cost constrained. Mars already enjoys a privileged position in NASA's Planetary division and gets it's own funding. You can't do everything.

>>12635475
And that's why orbiters exist.

>>12635492
>Constellation was as bad as the Shuttle program, dictated first, second and third by who was getting paid and dead last if it was useful or not.
I agree, but it doesn't matter. The post was about the "wastefulness" of unmanned spaceflight, the reality of it. The reality of human spaceflight is that most of the time it's just a vast money pit. The reason it's funded in the US is not science but jobs.

>but that cost has already been paid.
So no more wasting money on SLS now? HLS programs cost a huge amount just to operate, it's total bollocks that it's just an upfront fee.

> Every robot you develop costs a sizable fraction of any HLS scheme you could design
Not really. Even the most expensive missions are a few percent of HLS programs.

Post kino 1950s space wallpapers

>>12635519
>Neutral reporting don't exist anymore
I beg to differ.

>>12635544
>And that's why orbiters exist.
Orbiters aren't going to be able to bring back rock samples for analysis. Even the massive Apollo program only gathered samples from one region on the Moon. There is no sure clue whenever the trends found in the samples are trends for the whole moon or just the region, and thus locks away crucial information about the Earth's past and how it came to be

>>12635551
Who was this post brought to us by again?

>>12635545

>>12635551

>>12635555
Acorn Growth Companies

>>12635129
Why is the FAA not granting permission?

>>12635545

>>12635559
Why are the solar panels selectively transparent? I can see the Earth through it but nothing else

TWO ISS RESUPPLY MISSIONS ARE PLANNED FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY
THE FIRST IS A SOYUZ LAUNCH ON FEB 14/15

THE SECOND IS AN ANTARES LAUNCH PLANNED FOR FEB 20

STARSHIP SNIX REMAINS ON STANDBY FOR HER HOP
STARSHIP TEST TANK 7.2 IS OF THIS MOMENT, UNPOPPED

THE NEXT ELECTRON LAUNCH WILL BE THE FIRST TO FLY FROM AMERICAN SOIL IN VIRGINIA, THOUGH THE FLIGHT DATE IS UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME

THIS LAUNCH UPDATE WAS PROVIDED BY GAMESTOP
POWER TO THE PLAYERS

>>12635554
>Apollo only gathered samples from one region on the moon
You what? They specifically chose the Apollo landing sites to gather different kinds of geological samples each time.

>>12635573

>>12635568
Only the wind knows

>>12635580
Misspoke. My apologies. I meant nearside near seas which don't represent the whole moon. For example, the farside is completely ignored

>>12635575
it looks cool

>>12635545
TORUS

>>12635579
Now, why does a roman news anchor know what February is?

>>12635583

>>12635591
He's just that good of a reporter

What was the point of space shuttles? First space ships were rockets. Then both USSR and USA started building space shuttles for manned flights, canceled it after some time and went back to using rockets.

>>12635554
>Orbiters aren't going to be able to bring back rock samples for analysis.
NASA and ESA are committed to a sample return mission.

>>12635603
it was an attempt for a reusable vehicle to lower launch costs
it was cancelled because it wasn't a good enough attempt. also it blew up a couple of times

>>12635603
progress

>>12635603
The US built STS in a misguided attempt to bring down the cost of spaceflight. The USSR built the shuttle purely because they felt there must have been some strategic purpose for the US Shuttle, like capturing satellites or acting as a nuclear bomber. Buran died when the Soviet Union dissolved, without a purpose it was too expensive.

>>12635596
>you'll never play space golf on Enceladus

>>12635603
The Shuttle was originally just that, a Shuttle. It was meant to be a small Earth-to-LEO crew transport vehicle. A spaceplane shape was selected over capsules because spaceplanes can control their reentry much better and thus reduce deceleration loads. NASA had this plan where the Shuttle was just a small part of a whole space infrastructure involving stations, landers, atomic interplanetary transports, and propellant depots. However, when Nixon took office he demanded that NASA will vastly reduce the scope of that plan in the face of budget cuts. They were forced to abandon the whole plan apart from the Shuttle which had it's scope increased to include cargo, and the terrible vehicle was born

>>12635620
I want to spelunk in the incel hole

>>12635596

>>12635603
Imagine how much more expensive airplanes would be if you had to throw away the entire airplane and engines after every flight?

Well that's conventional rockets. The holy grail of rocket science is to design a vehicle that is entirely reusable because then you only have to pay for fuel and minor refurbishments.

The Space Shuttle was an attempt at creating a reusable vehicle, but due to some poor decision making and Congressional interference (as well as chair force meddling) the Shuttle became almost as expensive to refurbish and reuse as just building a new one from scratch. Really the only things that were actually reusable on the shuttle were the air frame and the internal hardware. Everything else had to be replaced every time because it just wasn't a very elegant design. On paper the Shuttle looked great but over engineering and optimism doomed it to failure.

The Soviets only built the Buran because they wanted to play with the same toys as the US, but even they never actually understood the utility of the shuttle as a vehicle.

>>12635603
>>12635622
This. SSTOs are designed for space station crew cycling. Perhaps a Starship modification could be tasked for it now, and help to build a new, better space station.

>>12635603
Shuttle existed because of dumb bureaucracy and Buran existed because they didn't believe America could possibly be that stupid so they tried for themselves

>>12635500
Well it baited me with that subtitle I'll admit

Really the most ridiculous one of that batch is "No One Should ‘Colonize’ Space", I should have just linked that one

>>12635641
>"No One Should ‘Colonize’ Space"
That article really could've benefited from having an editor step in and shoot the author in the head

>>12635631

>>12635648
having the landing legs in the wings is a pretty cool idea.

>>12635648
They should be left to seethe uselessly as spaceflight marches on

>>12635622
How far would we be if nasa went through with this plan?

I wish they announced the date of the hop and then it would happen, without scrubs or any other bullshit.

>>12635668
>March of progress on hold pending FAA approval :^)

>>12635688
The Expanse with slower ships and fewer brown people.

>>12635685
Delayed til 2035
So nothing would change

>>12635636
>designed for space station crew cycling
In style and grace, unfortunately we went full retard and went back to capsules and continue to use capsules, its sad, we should have went from Shuttle to X-37/Venture Star

>>12635694
For All Mankind was pretty cool, although I certainly didn't like that "female astronauts, feminism and space faggots" business. Also, soviets are rather "out of character", desu

>>12635662
fuck, wrong quote >>12635653

>>12635694
I'd recommend you to visit sci-fi general on /lit/ since almost every show is less or more woke.

>>12635709
I didn't mind the female ass-cans, a couple of them are fun characters but god I could not give less of a shit about how crappy it was to be gay in the 60s.
GET ON WITH THE SPACEFLIGHT ALREADY
>inb4 season 2 heavily features AIDS IN SPAAAACE

>>12635694
whoops I misquoted too, post was meant for
>>12635685

>>12635662
ITS

>>12635715
I think it will probably center around that spick and how they find out that she is illegal, because this plays well into Reagan giving them all amnesty, as I think it will be set in 80s

>>12635705
>X-37/Venture Star
As has been stated uncountable times before and will no doubt be stated uncountable times in the future, Venture Star required advances in material science that are pure sci-fi even to work on paper. There is no universe where that thing would ever have actually flown.

What SHOULD have happened was a switch from NASA to commercial development as soon as Apollo ended. SpaceX and Starship should have been a thing developed in the 80s, not 30 years later.

>>12635732
Why when what he have now is better?

>>12635732
>SpaceX and Starship should have been a thing developed in the 80s, not 30 years later
based

>>12635744
If only we had rockets designed by artists and not engineers!

>>12635745
Any coherent vision is better than the Shuttle

>>12635705
This. Boing should have went with X-37C instead of the Starliner, but fools cancelled even the Phantom Express.

>>12635732
Any fucking SSTO would do at this point instead of cycling station crew in fucking capsules like we're soviets

>>12635749
Any shuttle is better than capsule

>>12635754
No way you could see out of those jankee ass windows lmao

>>12635745
It's fucking looking that way >>12635653

>>12635745
Why not both?

>>12635764
There's no aesthetic appeal to the Starship beyond its raw utilitarian look, which is 100% engineering.

>>12635755
the starship approach is the future. Space planes have too much wasted mass. Potential exception goes to lifting body designs like the venture star, which was basically a giant, oddly-shaped tank.

>>12635755
>>12635749
Retards
Mass optimization is the number one thing for space
Landing horizontally is retarded

>>12635768
>non cylindrical
>needs to be strong in two orientations

All for what purpose? Not needing propulsive landing?

>>12635769
I'm >>12635749 and I've made all these arguments before, you read a few implications too deep. The other dude is just retarded.

>>12635603
USA had a bad idea. Soviets copied it thinking the USA had to be smarter than they appeared. When it turned out they weren't, the soviets pulled out. Lucky for them they never stopped mass producing their rockets from the 50s. So they had an easy time.
But America was trapped in sunk cost fallacy and a mindset of "if we don't use this fucking thing all money will be diverted elsewhere forever". This resulted in them trying to prove for 30 years that the Shuttle designed in the 70s was a good vehicle worth all the compromises. It took a second one burning up for them to finally cut their losses on that one.
But then they thought "since the Shuttle failed in being reusable, reusability is a failure". So they started work on going back to expendable rockets. But that dragged on for a decade.
Meanwhile Musk figured out you can get around a lot of the space plane complexity and just use engine thrust to overcome most challenges in making rockets reusable, reducing a lot of issues to questions of flight profile, software and fuel. Now Nasa just looks kind of stupid.

HOP TOMORROW CONFIRMED

>>12635635
>Really the only things that were actually reusable on the shuttle were the air frame and the internal hardware.
Does this mean the heat shield / tiles had to be replaced every time?

>>12635790
>"if we don't use this fucking thing all money will be diverted elsewhere forever"
That is sort of true given what happened after the Shuttle program ended

>>12635792

>>12635769
>>12635781
Retards. Launching people on top of a rocket in a motherfucking capsule is caveman tech. Chinks can do it, even Pajeets can do it. Just because Musk can do it in style, doesn't mean it's the right way.

>>12635793
Yes. All 21,000 unique fragile tiles.

>>12635800

>>12635792
>possibility
you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Also that letter by itself is not remarkable: she's gotten the same one multiple times this week

>>12635705
How many times could you even use that meme engine before it turns into hydrogen slurry?

>>12635792

IT IS TIME

>>12635796
You're talking a lot of shit about caveman tech for a man with a serious weakness to obsidian-tipped arrowheads

>>12635323
Sure but what would be their motivation? How would they recover the cost of building and launching the telescope? They could try selling time on the telescope but it would be difficult to get customers willing to pay the rate required for the company to get at least as good of a return on their investment than if they had simply put the money into index funds.

>>12635792
>wenhop

>>12635792
Are you fucking serious with the WenHop shit. Unfuckingbelievable

>>12635800
This site says that only 30 - 100 of the 24,000 tiles were replaced before each flight

https://www.airspacemag.com/how-things-work/shuttle-tiles-12580671/#:~:text=About%2030%20to%20100%20tiles,get%20to%20structures%20below%20them.&text=Until%20recently%2C%20damaged%20tiles%20could,That%20is%20about%20to%20change.

>>12635814

>>12635818
WEN HOP

>>12635824
space knights when?

>>12635824
>still dies to a fucking club

>>12635828
Blunt force trauma kills most things.

>>12635827
Men only want one thing

>>12635825
You're in the wrong neighborhood tank watcher

>>12635800
>>12635806
Why would they use those? Couldn't you use monolithic heatshield that you just "revamp" after every reentry? For example, using a variation of those industrial atomizers to spread some foamlike compound to act as heatshield? Or is it too "out there"?

>>12635839
Arrest this man for having job killing ideas!

>>12635800
>>12635823
The tiles were pretty trivial actually. Time consuming but not seriously expensive.

The real expense in the shuttle program were refurbishing the engines (which basically eat themselves every use - See SLS green run) and replacing the external tank and the SRB's which despite recovering the actual SRB exteriors wound costing almost literally the same to refurbish as to build new.

>>12635842
No, I don't want to work for ULA, nooooo...
Working for ULA is fine, actually, love my government gibs and pension

>>12635835
>tell me about bezos, why does he wear the vest?

>>12635833
and it's fucking awesome

>>12635843
Time is money, especially with massively inflated launch costs

>>12635816
NASA spent a third of a billion dollars to fit a telescope on a 747, so the demand is here. It's all about pricing the available time correctly and building it to last. If you can make it profitable within 10 years you might be looking at 20 more years of FREE money.

>>12635854
That is true I suppose, but overall I always got the impression that the SSME's were the major cost and turn-around factor with the shuttle. They just don't have the reuse-ability of something like Raptor or even Merlin. They are specc'd for efficiency for some retarded reason instead of reuse or even just thrust (which would have made much more sense).

>>12635334
With Starship, one can wonder if it would be easier to build a giant telescope on the Moon's poles.

We have all of these money to build these expensive space telescopes that have a life span of only a few years due to onboard fuel constraints, yet NASA some how doesn't have the money to finish a space station module that could potentially lead to the elimination of most deformities caused by a micro gravity environment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifuge_Accommodations_Module

That was canceled in the year 2005, had it not we might have been able to see the Star Ship integrate such technology. I would rather delay an X-ray telescope for 30 years if it meant we could could start producing gravity for destinations such as Mars & beyond.

>>12635766
You have no taste.

>>12635869
It would make more sense to build a telescope on the far side in a really, really deep crater. Blocking out as much of the sun's glare as possible.

>>12635395
>One-off machines
At least with Curiosity and Perseverance, they got the idea of using the same chassis, with some ameliorated parts. Methinks the next Martian rovers (if they build any new ones) will be on the same chassis again, reducing the design cost.

>>12635869
>misses half the hemisphere
You better build one in each pole, and power them with RTGs due to no sunlight.

>>12635871
How would this work on the ISS exactly?
Would the floor where all the shit was bolted onto roll along a track or would all spin as one unit?
Also, how would it prevent ISS from rolling over from centrifugal force of the module?

SLS haha

>>12635246
>wymin
>moar young wymin
>can't even hear the talk due to retarded masks
this looks surreal

>>12635895
A daring synthesis

>>12635885
The module doesn’t spin. If you look closely at the diagram in the picture, its literally a centrifuge mounted on the far wall.

>>12635871
I still don't understand why JAXA fucking didn't sent it there themselves. It was their module in the first place.

>>12635871
The ISS was always just a compromised version of what Freedom and Mir 2 was going to be. But the fact that both the Russian and American sides got stripped to their bare minimum is the most disappointing thing about it. I mean the Russian segment consists of what, 2 full modules and two mini modules? It's no better than a Salyut

>>12635924
A DOS module, a FGB module, a mini mobile and two airlocks.
Another FGB module will supposedly launch this year, and a new node next year.

I have a confession to make

I actually bought Virgin Galactic stock

>>12635839
The Apollo heat shield was even more monstrous, albeit the overall size was much less of course, but seriously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64UM3CUqSfg

>>12635935
FGB?

>>12635953
Functional Gargo Blogg :DDD

>>12635323
>>12635431
Because launch costs are currently $10,000's per kg to orbit, there's a lot of emphasis put into making everything as light as possible. With a 2 to 3 order of magnitude cheaper launch system brought on by Starship soon (and potentially New Glenn), a lot of the old optimizations change.

Why spend $10B and 20 years on a single mass-optimized 6500kg JWST when you could build 100 'good enough' 100,000kg JWSTs in a year for the same cost?

I bet that even with just 10 'good enough' JWSTs built for $100M (including launch cost) apiece with mostly commercial off-the-shelf parts would collect a lot more science even if the instruments were shittier and the magic origami folding mirror and sunshade isn't quite as optimal. Additionally, one of the limiting factors of the life of the JWST is it's limited coolant supply to keep the instruments under 7 kelvin. With 100 tons you can just bring a lot more coolant. All the systems can be a bit more robust.

>>12635956
Finnish Spurdo module when?

>>12635964
I'm not sure the finns know that the sky exists

>>12635966
Don't mongoloids/Asiatics all worship sky gods?

I know Starship is still “just a test vehicle” but SN8 really put the bar high for future SN flights. If SN9 doesn’t land I’ll be disappointed bro’s.

>>12635972
>SN9 launches
>does a flip
>looks directly at the camera
>reads out shelby's address
>lands in a big braaaaaap

>>12635972
>BE4 gets roughly the same force as a 300bar Raptor
>More than twice the size
Are there ISP info for any of those or is the BE4 really just a gigantic piece of shit? Also what magic allows SpaceX to have such a chad rocket engine?

>>12635972
Yeah, anything but sticking the landing is going to feel like a step back.

>>12635978
>Are there ISP info for any of those or is the BE4 really just a gigantic piece of shit?
Apparently the Raptor can do 320/380s and the BE4 was designed to match the RD-180 which can do 311/338s

>>12635978
BE4 has an isp of like 330 seconds. I don’t remember where I read this but it’s supposed to be low tech and cheap.

>>12635979
This. Please work SN9

>>12635959
Even at those costs it makes far more sense to do orbital rendezvous with people involved to make sure shit works, then send it to wherever

Instead of building some retarded mass optimized telescope that has to be launched on one rocket, fitting into one fairing, and work 100% from the start

Say, 500 million for the launches, then another billion for the telescope itself, plus some separate kicker stage.

Most importantly don’t keep paying salaries to these people that never deliver

Compression suits when?

>>12635985
Gross face

>>12635980
>>12635982
So basically the only advantage of the BE4 is that it might potentially be cheaper?

I guess that makes sense for engines you're just going to throw away anyways but isn't BO trying to do the reusable thing? Seems like a shitty engine. That being said I wish BO the best and the more competition in commercial space the better. It's just weird to me how no one else is even close to SpaceX's level. It's like a time traveler came back and gave them advanced tech or something.

>>12635985
hopefully soon. Unironically compressions suits are a necessity before the public can agree that space is cool again.

>>12635988
Yes but remember that Raptors cost $2 Million apiece. BE-4 is either even cheaper, or is just more expensive

>>12635985
Probably not for a very long time. I doubt any time this century.
https://twitter.com/yitexity/status/1239700325054820354
This is a good overview of just how difficult such a thing would realistically be.

>>12636003
yiff in hell

>>12636003
fuck off space wolf

>>12635991
The only problem is getting a good fit and being able to put it on, plus the prebreathing thing is a bit of a pain. but you could have a far more durable spacesuit, plus adding some micrometeoroid suit on top would make a hard to kill astronaut. Everyone on mars gets personal space armor
>>12635988
Why they don't just scrub the ethane out and use methane is beyond stupid

>Raptor
(goal)
(goal)
(goal)

>>12636018
What

>>12635794

Not true. "What are we going to do after the shuttle?" filled the funding void following the shuttle. Sure it was mostly the same shit, but that's another story of the people who liked that shit in particular getting that program content in over other possibilities.

>>12635959
I imagine most of the cost goes into grinding the mirrors down and accurate optics, as opposed to mass reduction.

>>12635246
Why do they wear the masks?

>>12636026
He works for Blue Origin and is trying to copy Raptor

>>12635900
were they at least cute? not much point putting women front and center unless they're beautiful (like the spacex livestreams)

>>12636036
>he wants to get space disease

Hop or blueballs tomorrow?
NSF posted an unlisted stream.

Apart from not dropping stages on Jordan and Iraq are there any benefits for a backwards orbit?

>>12636047
Piggies will pay at any price

>>12636049
what?

>>12636047
NSF loves blueball streams, think of the superchunguses. They have big pennus incentive to go live regardless lol

>>12636050
You are making a fool of yourself. You gotta unclamp.

>>12636053
I see, but this one specifically mentions a flight test. I assume there is a notice to air men?
>>12636054
what?

https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/starship/
WE GAAN

>>12636047
Yes, and evac notices were sent to the boomers

>>12636067
BASED BASED BASED
WE
ARE
GOING

>>12636054
Based /sfg/ clamp bro.

>>12636067
I plan to masturbate to this

>>12635863
Doing a full inspection of the aluminum airframe was also a major job.

>>12635985
No. We need suits like pic related.

>>12636067
>>12636070
>>12636072

>>12636067
fug :D:D

>>12636075
Actually, throw on a cooling garment on and jump in a neoprene/foam lined armored exoskeleton would actually work as an irl spacesuit

Boca evacuation confirmed. That said it's supposed to be windy tomorrow so it may get delayed.

>>12636067
>A controlled aerodynamic descent with body flaps and vertical landing capability, combined with in-space refilling, are critical to landing Starship at destinations across the solar system where prepared surfaces or runways do not exist, and returning to Earth. This capability will enable a fully reusable transportation system designed to carry both crew and cargo on long-duration, interplanetary flights and help humanity return to the Moon, and travel to Mars and beyond.
OUTER PLANET COLONIES SOON

this actually chocked me up a bit

>>12636095
>windy
they are lowering the ceiling to 10km to help with that

>>12636095
the wind was never the problem. remember what elon said, hurricane proof

>>12636101
>aerodynamic descent
>beyond mars
Titan Starship when

>>12636104
beyer is an incredibly massive faggot

>>12635951
Doesn't seem to bad for the time.

>>12636104
It is better to hop and die than to waste away on the pad.

>>12636104

>>12636114

How do you pronounce "gaan"? Is it gane? Gan? Gawn?

>>12636113
>I will tell you how she lived.

>>12636113
that's true

>>12636117
“Alhamdulilah these infidels will suffer”

>>12635985
>you get reprimanded after getting caught in a vestibule with the crotch of her suit on your face an hour after she got back from an 8 hour eva.

>>12636067
>skip randomly in the event video
>land right on pear shaped approval man
heh

>>12636119
What good is old age and regrets?

How is the weather forecast for tomorrow? Windy?

>>12636124
Hmm I don't know if I trust you mister.

>>12636137
Yes. The winds of change.

>>12636146
>t. Tzeench

>>12636146
Follow the Moskva...down to Gorky Park...listening to the winds, of change...on a summer night...soldiers passing by...listening to the winds, of change

>>12636138
It's said like "an" at the end of Azerbaijan

>>12636149
TAKE ME TO THE MAGIC OF THE MOMENT
ON A GLORY NIGHT
WHERE THE CHILDREN OF TOMORROW DREAM AWAY
IN THE WIND OF CHANGE
THE WIND OF CHANGE

>>12636146
Wind must be stopped, no matter the cost.

>>12636165
ty anon

I don't get it, the SN8 did supposedly prove something, but I can't figure out what, since it exploded on landing, therefore deeming the whole thing a total failure, right? Is there something I'm missing?

>>12636196
It proved the vehicle could translate horizontally in a controlled manner, it proved the efficacy of the flaps+RCS for precision maneuvering and for the bellyflop and retroslam maneuver, and it discovered the fuel slosh issue which is supposedly fixed in SNine.

>>12636206
Stop replying to stale bait

STAR
SHIP
BUTTS

>>12636210
Lewd

>>12636210
I am going to COOM.

>>12636215
Imagine what Superheavy is going to look like once built.

Not only is the Starship page updated, but most of the SpaceX homepage is Starship right now, which is kinda interesting.

>>12636210
MODS BAN THIS FILTH

>>12636210
MOAR

>>12636210
is there a word for this? Like, hyper-complex but 100% ordered at the same time? Whatever it is I fucking love the aesthetic here.

>>12636223
>is there a word for this?
Kino.

>>12636210
How much of this design is even finalized?
Will these hydraulic Small legs stay?
Where’s the other 3 engines supposed to attach

>>12636223
>is there a word for this?

kino

>>12636219
Well, when it finally starts flying reliably it will effectively outmode Falcon and Falcon Heavy for almost everything except crew flights until it becomes crew rated, and then it will outmode Falcon for that too. Starship is what Falcon was aiming for but without the constraints of Commercial Cargo/Commercial Crew or any other government contracts.

>>12636223
Intricate?

>>12636230
slow

>>12636223
It's not even that complex, most of the visual detail is just those support ribs in the thrust structure and skirt. When something is bare of everything but it's true necessities and completely functional, that's called good engineering.
The eye of the cultured engineering autist can immediate discern it purely based on it's appealing aesthetic.

>>12636210

>>12636223
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeble

>>12635985
Unironically will be an absolute necessity for Mars. They need to build a whole fucking civilisation from scratch. It's not happening with garbage Apollo/Artemis tier suits, cunts spend hours fucking around with a handful of bolts, absolutely impossible to get anything done like that. Either full range of motion mechanical counterpressure suits or human tier robots are needed. Pretty fucking sure human tier robots are WAY further away than a decent suit. Maybe Elon can take his gamespot winnings and buy out the patents from the useless grant chasing fucks at MIT.

If we don't have dextrous suits, Mars isn't happening, simple as that. Every other piece of technology (barring starship) needed is pretty much available commercial off the shelf or with some minor level of development. Surprised Elon has been neglecting it really, but this is the kind of thing he talks about other people developing, he must be pretty fucked off that he has to do everything himself because all the richfags are too busy dicking around buying superyachts and fucking underage girls.

>>12636210
Didn’t some redditor get banned for posting this because it was “NSFW”? Lmao

>>12636255
I'm pretty sure it's because he titled it "upskirt" or similar and that triggered some tranny janny.

>>12636259
>NOOOOO DONT OBJECTIFY FEMALE STARSHIPS

>>12636245
>/tfg/ autism intensifies

>>12636223
anyone else hate the look of a rocket engine? just looks like a mess to me. same with ICEs, just doesn't feel right

>>12635705
>>12635754
you fucking retard, if you want a spaceplane you don't need an SSTO
here, look at this indian thing

>>12636245
I don't think that's quite the right word since the intent of "greeble" results from intentionally making a simple object more visually complex for the function of making the object more interesting to an audience. In contrast, the complexity of the starship's upskirt section arises out of functional necessity and you'd bet they would make it simpler (thus less visually complex as a side product) if they could.

>>12636223
I like fusion toruses

>>12636313
Fuckin' beautiful

>>12636017
they do, they call it LNG due to marketing

>>12636017
BE-4 does use only methane. Bezos shills who claim otherwise are simply trying to cope.

>>12636397
How is LNG shorter than CH4

>>12636408
Methane is six letters LNG is three

lmao get fucked

>>12636411
CH4 is three characters and the same number of syllables, how is LNG shorter than just getting it right

>>12636414
Hilarious and good
Market jewry will be prohibited on Mars.

>>12636414
Good

>>12636414
While the word of "Reddit investors" is worth less than dirt to me, this is probably true, Musk is the godking of short squeezes and absolutely HATES those like motherfuckers profiting off other people's misfortunes. Any sane society should make short selling punishable by death. When is Elon starting a PMC so I can fight for a semi sane society.

>>12635839
>Couldn't you use monolithic heatshield that you just "revamp" after every reentry?
Same reason SpaceX is using tiles: thermal expansion.

>>12636210
Elon ought to put a plasma sail generator on starship's engine section after starship gets mass produced, it would be a perfect test platform for a magsail cargo hauler

>>12635959
>Additionally, one of the limiting factors of the life of the JWST is it's limited coolant supply to keep the instruments under 7 kelvin. With 100 tons you can just bring a lot more coolant.
Not to mention it should become possible to dock with the damned thing and do at least some maintenance, including resupplying it with propellant. Unlike the existing thing that is made of fairy wings.

>>12636426
>When is Elon starting a PMC
We're gonna find out only one of those oil rigs was for launching.

>>12635984
Speaking of telescopes, If I had a billion dollars I'd build the means to make big, cheap, liquid mirror telescopes ON THE MOON. Here's an article by a guy who pioneered this stuff:
https://www.americanscientist.org/article/liquid-mirror-telescopes

Here's some basic math:
Assume 1 starshipload for the telescope receiver, support truss, dish, radio relay for the data and associated equipment.
Assume 1 starshipload of reflecting liquid (yes, there are materials that can be liquid and not evaporate in gravity)
A small construction crew with some small earthmoving equipment would build the site for a few weeks then leave once it's built.
Assume the fluid has the same density as water, and there will be a dish in the shape of a parabola and the fluid be 1cm deep when the dish is rotated slowly.

100 T = 100,000 kg = 100,000,000 g == cm^2
Radius = sqrt(Area/pi) = 5,641 cm; diameter = 11,284 cm. So a 112 m telescope. For context, the largest optical telescope planned for Earth is 33 m diameter.

If it was pointed at earth, what resolution would it get?
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/moon-hoax-why-not-use-telescopes-to-look-at-the-landers

Angular resolution, in arcseconds α = 11.6 / Diameter of dish; Angular size = 11.6/11,284 = 0.001

(object size/ distance) * 206265 = angular resolution,

moon-earth distance is 284472282 m.

because (4/284472282)*206265>0.002 we can see it (need to double the # due to Nyquist Sampling Theorem)

4 meter pixels on whatever part of earth is showing.

>>12636173
When are we gonna start building?

>>12636477
Elon is prototyping now.

>>12636477
A US-Japan robot fight would be a net benefit for humanity. I want to see the two top fighters of the country dawn exosketelon suits and beat the shit out of eachother, f-for science

>>12636468
Additionally, if I had another billion dollars, I'd build an Arecibo mk2 radio telescope/radar on the moon.

Arecibo on Earth had a receiver of ~800 tons and a 305 m dish, but if you look at videos of it it's clear it was built in the 50's and weight wasn't much of a consideration. On the Moon everything can be built much lighter: 1/6th gravity, no hurricanes, 57 years of Moore's law making sensors better (lighter/cheaper/more efficient), etc.

In active mode, Arecibo mk2 on the moon could use it's dish as a massive radar to discover and track asteroids. Several facilities placed along a line from the North pole to the South pole could eventually map everything in the solar system.

In passive mode, the many telescopes could listen to radio frequencies from anywhere without having to contend with the Earth's atmosphere.

>>12636514
How would you protect it from micrometeorite impacts? The liquid one posted above is better IMO as it is much easier to repair.

Updated hop thread when the evac occurs tomorrow.
This is it lads, I can feel it

>>12636531
Good vibes only

>>12635959
Launch costs are like roughly 2500-3000$/kg to LEO with Falcon 9 for paying customers and like 1800$/kg to LEO for spacex

>>12636514
Couple months ago I did the math on it on how big an active radio telescope just scaled up from existing designs could be. Answer came out to be 600-700m for an active dish that's straight scaled. If built with weight optimization in mind, a 1km moveable dish becomes possible (albeit unwieldy as hell).

There was also that starship concept art with 8 starships ringing a crater that had a metal mesh installed and the radio transceiver installed above it like Arecibo. Depending on how things are done those could be many kilometers across.

>>12636000
And remember these are development raptors, mass production raptors should be able to go down to 200k a piece

>>12636541
Would be so based if true

>>12636523
>>12636514
Pic related is underneath Arecibo mk1 on Earth. The dish was made out of aluminum panels held together with steel cables. Micrometeors would either go through the holes or not really matter. Radiotelescopes are much less sensitive to being dirty than optical telescopes.

>>12636535
I'm not sure how much off-axis you can get from a spherical reflector like Arecibo but my intuition is quite a bit, with progressively less mirror doing work for you the further off axis you get

>>12636468
For the liquid mirror, you'd probably run an aquarium filter/sieve on your fluid to strain out micrometeor grit.

>>12636543
The Starship SN5 prototype costed $10 Million to build.

Another thing I just realized: Active radio telescopes use a fuckton of power, and even on the moon where there's no atmosphere to punch through and no radio interference from Earth, they're still going to need power to do things like long range radar mapping and asteroid hunting. This is not including things like an upgraded Lunar-based DSN.

I figure for lunar daytime ops solar panels out the ass are the way to go, and at night nuclear generators in the megawatt-thermal class for heat and power.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKjetqWn83u/

>BE-4 exhaust plume starts off as a pretty blue
>but then immediately turns to blah yellow
disappointing

What is the combustion chamber supposed to be lined with in the UDMH+ClF3 turbocancer engine? I propose cobalt.

>>12636446
Didn't Jeff Greason have plans to send up a test vehicle the next time someone orbited the moon?

>>12636584
irrc I think the anon that made this fucked it up in that his proposed lining would just explode

>>12636612
>If RemembeR Correctly

>>12636612
Considering the propellant and oxidizer, it might be working as intended. But it lacks that certain something to make it truly special. Co-60 to "salt the earth" in its wake is the one, I believe.

>>12636576
Likely dust entrainment. We saw the same thing with Raptor during Starhoppers 150m flight.

>>12636612
>ablative nozzle
more like ablative engine

>>12635410
Kiwis were clever bastards and registered themselves in the US so they could get those tasty "US companies only" contracts

>>12636664
There and back again, the journey of Peter Beck

>>12636575
The day is 2 weeks long, the night is 2 weeks long. One solution is to put your solar panels at the poles, there are points of eternal light. You just need to slowly rotate your arrays at 1 rotation/month and you'll have consistent power. You will still have to have some batteries for eclipses, maintenance etc but you don't need 2 weeks worth.

There are also points of eternal night, (in craters at the poles) and those would be ideal for certain kinds of instruments (like JWST's infrared telescope) you wouldn't want to have in direct sunlight.

>>12636664
Yeah but also now they are in New Zealand and mommy Jacinda is about to absolutely fuck them to pay for corona and other gibs. Big mistake, this country is a nice looking, but ultimately standard commie shithole.

>>12636664
Peter Beck + Colin Furze team up when?

>>12636660
We should start a division focused on engine development. With the motto "everything will be fire".

>>12636672
t. Act Voter
The real issue is the Ngai Tahu reeing about Birdlings Flat resource consent because "muh sacred mud"
nigga I just want to watch launches from my place in Diamond Harbour

>>12636682
Mate I wish they were launching near chch, I fucking live there. I don't know what to tell you if you think that the labour-green commie supermajority isn't about to fucking rawdog business up the ass.

SN10 looks pretty good

>>12636688

>>12636686
They're the ones that pushed for it back in the Atea-1 sounding rocket days. With them being all reusable and """inclusive""" as a company they'll get some social credit score. Also their internship programs appeal to their viewpoints too.
Also one outs at Westfield bro :^)

>>12636576
>not remote driving a truck into the exhaust

>>12636688
that one line of not-as-shiny steel in the nosecone bothers me. SN11 should be completely shiny.

>>12636621
ah, that's a good point. I hope you're right, it's a shame for a methane engine to be that ugly

>>12636210
big change in the landing gear, moving to dampers and individual accumulators for each leg. looks like the crush structures have gone too.

>>12636678
kek "from dust, to dust"

>>12636707
based

>>12636678
"Calamity"

>>12636678

>>12636718
I enjoyed that game as well. Using mods to be able to nuke fleets in single player is great

Dammit I posted this shit to /gd/ by accident. Too many tabs open
https://twitter.com/trevormahlmann/status/1354598014954975236?s=21

>>12635790
the insane thing is, it wasn't a spacex idea. NASA funded and developed the DC-X which was literally doing the falcon 9 propulsive landing 20 years ago. Instead, they went ahead and funded the X-33 because muh spaceplanes, and when that failed they just went fuck it and concieved the failed abortion that is SLS

>>12636752
elon's been saying that since mk1 and the new 3mm tanks looks just as bad as mk1. who is he kidding?

>>12636759
>who is he kidding?
hundreds of autists who follow his personal plane and reply to every tweet he sends out

>>12636763
keep shorting that TSLA bro

lmao

>>12636754
DC-x was just a hopper that had zero resemblance to any real vehicle
And was built retardedly expensive anyways
The difficulty was always in landing an orbital capable booster, not in building a 50 million dollar hopper

NASA was never gonna build a competitor to the shuttle anyways

>>12636759
i pity the apprentice who is going to have to smooth and polish all the external tacks.

>>12636752
Elon is tired of us making fun if ugly welds

>>12636768
Anon I would personally scrub every starship off the production line even if it meant living in an airstream for 20 years and living a simple life and taking vows of of poverty and obedience

>>12636766
uh oh....the eternal space stan.....

>>12636768
He might shave a few hundred grams/kilograms all up, but the visual imperfections will never go away, they are due to heat differentials in the welding process.

>>12636772
>my job? i'm the spacex buffer

>>12636775

>>12636773
How's that portfolio looking faggot? Oh not too good huh? Don't worry champ, you will win against Elon any day now.

>>12636775
arent the bathrooms at hawthorne notoriously disgusting because elon didnt wanna waste employee man-hours/wages on a janitor?

>>12636782
Based, Elon knows that jannies are worthless.

>>12636782
What? lmao I hope that's not true

>>12636782
i bet they could find someone to do it for free

>>12636782
>>12636790
>>12636791
Pls Elon, will clean toilet and weld starships for min wage, gib green card and get me out of this shithole.

>>12636781
I made about 50k on tesla since last march, i'm not sure what you're getting at

>>12636796
start a caravan bro

>>12636800
Not even on the same continent bro.

>>12636805
are you a black person?

>>12636808
ausfag bro. heaps of trade skills but cucked because of ITAR, would do literally any job to be part of the the nuspace /elongod future.

>>12636808
lmao

>>12636811
I imagine australians smell heavily of body odor. if you want I can harbor you anne frank style but if at some point it becomes advantageous for me to turn you over to the feds i will not hesitate.

>>12636819
That's ok bro, I'll just rat you out for being an anti-semite.

>>12636821
jews are rats, indeed

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

>>12636686
mate I can't stand labour-green rhetoric either but honestly they've been hilariously good for business. Labour have been giving massive gibs to the big ag & construction companies while talking about how great and woke they are as a smokescreen.

>>12636835
If Musk manages his Mars colony he will unironically become a serious religious figure. And he will have fucking earned it at that, maybe I will even convert.

>>12636840
It's all fun and games until they realise that they have to pay for all this shit. What's the timeframe for that? Who knows, maybe tomorrrow, maybe 5 years from now. Either way big gov is going to recoup their gibs from the common man.

>>12636500
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MegaBots_Inc..

>>12636872
god that was shit

>>12636872
>we challenged japan
>they accepted
>it was scripted
Well there’s the problem. No one wants to see WWE bullshit. I want to see my country throw in the best engineering possible and BTFO the japs in a real fight. And then maybe down the road there could be a US-Japan alliance and we could fight China and Russia. Would be a cool way to settle disputes

>>12636872
This is so gay lmao

>>12636892
Everyone knows the Jap gundam giga autists would put together an indomitable raep machine and rekt amerimutts.

>>12636895
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-ouLX8Q9UM

>>12636905
AHAHAHAHAAA

>>12636872
nigga I want Real Steel shit, not this WWE shit

>>12636905
These people should be arrested for uncensored redditry

>>12636299
with SSTO you don't have to go full 3rd worlder when launching something into space
>seriously using india as an example
lmao

>>12637011
India can into space and they're the only ones pursuing actual spaceplanes right now

>>12637017
Seriously

>>12637030
it doesn't have significant propulsion and relies on an entire expendable orbital rocket to get it to orbit
it's just a spaceplane capsule
India is pursuing VTHL spaceplane rockets (true spaceplanes) with onboard propulsion measured in km/s

are u guys excited for microphones recording mars EDL? what about the high res cameras facing up at the skycrane? gonna be bretty based bros

>wings on something that spends at best 30 minutes in an atmosphere

>>12637036
yeah

>>12637036
all of that plus the helicopter

>>12637037
You're only ever going to need that seatbelt for a fraction of a second, surely it's just wasted mass, right?
You spend minutes in free-fall before opening your parachute, surely that's just wasted mass, right?
Those are the most important and difficult 30 minutes of the entire journey, and if you've got the mass budget for it (ie, are an optimized TSTO) it's worth it, because it enables you do the entire rest of the mission in a way you couldn't before (with recovery at the end)

didn't somebody put together an emerging space fund thing earlier? what was it called again?

>>12637036
Interested in the Oxygen ISRU experiment but yeah to see an actual landing video would be great

Does Elon risk something with all these pro GME hold tweets?
I saw he deleted the rocket one lmao

>>12637062
He didn't and that rocket one was fake.

>>12636872
>In September 2019, the company had run out of money. Their assets were liquidated and the Eagle Prime robot that cost the company $2,500,000 to build was sold on eBay for $29,900.
lmao

I can't believe this fucking redneck has built a beer cooler out of an SN8 COPV he found in the swamp

>>12637086

>>12636248
>all the richfags are too busy dicking around buying superyachts and fucking underage girls.
Frankly it's not that I don't understand them

>>12636621
Starhopper exhaust turned yellow because Raptor was eating itself, none of the other prototypes have had this happen.

>>12637086
>>12637091
Maybe it's modelled after one but that thing was never a COPV.

>>12637128
are you calling Nomadd a liar?
it's a plastic pressure vessel wrapped in composite fiber

>>12637113
>what is SN8?
anon..

>>12637128
he took pictures when he found it in the first place

>you will never own a private air-launched ICBM
why even live

>>12637181
when will we have submarine small launch companies?