/sci/ - Science & Math

Why would I spread disinformation like that? I only spread disinformation on /sci/.

>>12629930
FPBP

>>12629916
You have to cough it directly into their face, that's the best way to explain it.

Just say it has higher mortality rate then the regular flu and causes permanent brain damage.

>>12629916
Show them your clamp timing certificate indicating how much placental transfusion was allowed (your caste), and also display your penis and point out the circumcision scar line and be sure to make note of the extent of retained frenulum.

Then tell them "I BELIEVE in covid because I BELIEVE in science! I fucking LOVE science!!"

The information is available but they refuse to accept it as fact. Until you find out why you can't. It's almost always politics. Politics will usually make someone develop information bias. They can't be reasoned with. It's all feelings.

>>12629916
You could compare the total deaths of 2020 to previous years,
they can't weasel their way out of that one

>>12629916
Use an analogy with truck engines.

>>12630712
The population keeps growing, of course the absolute death number is gonna keep increasing lmao

>>12629916
5 * 0.001 = 0.005

So scary!

>>12629916

>>12630963
>omits 2019
Nice "science" you got there CNN.

i am worrying worse than anything

>>12630741
>population grew by 900% in a year

>>12630971
2019 is still being counted. Current count is 22000. Wow, you sure showed me.

>>12629916
point out that was an engineered virus, with spike proteins from pangolins that could only have gotten there from human intervention

>>12630972
I just want a girl with a nice ass who doesn't have 3 kids, an std and several mental disorders to love me but all the girls that want to love me are fat. I ain't down for that and I'm starting to worry too cause my friends are getting older and some of them are dying and I'll be all alone and the world keeps getting stranger but when I want to fall asleep a cute girl would make it better but they're all fat and I like it and tgey want to be around when I don't want them around. I don't want to hear them talk or hear about their feelings I just want a cute girl to bring me soup if I get sick and snuggle when I'm sleepy and then go away. I'm going to die alone, fine whatever.

Show death rate for year 2020. And compare it to previous 10 years annual death rate. If the margin is miniscule, then it's a nothing burger.

>>12630983
>2019 still being counted
>has count for 2020 posted
Okay

>>12630995
lolwut

Oh shit covid propaganda is still going on? I forgot about it past this month. Who even takes it seriously at this point?

>>12631002
>2019 flu still being counted
>has count for 2020 COVID posted
Yes.

>>12631030
I don't really like people anyway.

Listen. COVID-19 is a nothing burger. No one is dying. It's just a flu. All the scientists and experts are freaking out for no reason. All the border closures and lockdown and quarantine are just panic. I refuse to wear a mask and I'm fine. Everyone is afraid because they're little bitches, scared of a germ. I just want to get back to work and earn that mad cash so I can go out and hang out with my bros at the bar and slay fine bitches again. Look at me. I've been stuck in the house so long I ended up here with you losers. Whatever. I'm going to a BBQ tonight and there's going to be hundreds of people there and I'm going to get laid and you can't stop me, nerds. Maybe I'll catch Corona but I doubt it because guess what, it's just a flu, and even if I caught it I probably won't notice because it does literally nothing. This whole "pandemic" bullshit means nothing and no one will even be talking about it a couple of months from now. I remember when it first started this dork started wearing a mask at work and I made fun of him and me and my coworkers bullied him so bad he actually quit. What a faggot. That's what this is all about. There are normal people who DGAF about this little virus and then there's mentally ill crazy people who think it's the apocalypse or whatever. Newsflash. The world will always be the same as it ever was. Nothing ever changes. You guys are just creepy weirdos who can't fit in. Imagine being scared of a virus. I wish I could kcik all your asses.

Hospitals are full and running out of supplies from COVID-19. If hospitals were full and running out of supplies from car wrecks it would be national news and everybody would be talking about stopping car driving until something could be done. If hospitals were full and running out of supplies from gang shootings the president would form a paramilitary task force to execute gang members without trial.
The lockdown makes sense.

>>12629916
When did the shitposting on /sci/ get this bad? Almost all of the threads on page 1 and 2 are /pol/ or /b/ tier.

>>12631783
Sorry you live in such a shitty place. Those of us not in a third world country like Los Angeles are doing fine with our medical infrastructure. An entire world exists outside of the mismanaged hellholes that are Democrat run cities.

>>12630712
that doesn't tell you if corona is any worse than the flu.

>>12630712
I read the data for the USA overall death rate, 2018 vs 2020. Wasn't it basically the same? It seems more like non-covid deaths are being considered covid.

>>12630963
Now compare overall deaths, 2020 vs previous years. There should be a big spike right?

>>12631902
>big if true

>>12629916

Pics a radiologist sent me. The heatmap above is a PET scan of tagged glucose consumption. COVID-infected cells had a metabolic profile more like cancer. Normal viral pneumonia has dormancy cycles. Lung tissue infected with COVID19 burns sugar 24/7

But it’s not for most people.
A healthy, fit 25 year old male is more likely to be knocked on his ass by the flu than Covid

Here's the lungs of a patient infected back in March. The big white blotches are the patient's liver, but the small white blotches in the black area are scar tissue in the lungs.

Here's the redpill on COVID:

• Infection rates are very low compared to anything else called a pandemic
• People across the spectrum of ages have wildly different types of cases: some asymptomatic, some absolutely awful, and everything in between
• Aftereffects look like they'll go on for years in many patients.
• COVID infects other organs: epithelium, brain, liver, and so on
•Even patients who were asymptomatic during the primary infection can develop life-threatening complications later. Embolisms are common.

We could potentially be looking at a drastically reduced life expectancies across the board, and chronic illnesses of old age cropping up much younger.

I had COVID. It's definitely worse than the flu, and at one point I thought I was gonna die, but it's not as bad as the media would have you believe. If you're generally healthy/young you'll be fine. Americans usually are neither of those things though, so maybe they should worry

>>12632080
Just like COVID, Trump Derangement Syndrome may develop into a chronic condition.

>>12629916
W-what did COVID do to that man's skin?

>>12631912
Yes, and there is.

>>12632141
It turned him into The Rock, obviously. Geez Madoka, you need to stop being so naive.

>>12632147
Now on a log scale.

>>12632147
Based

>>12631902
>Wasn't it basically the same?
No.
Obviously the data hasn't been fully counted yet, but preliminary results indicate hundreds of thousands of extra deaths

>>12632147
Taking your absolute lowest value in a normal year and your absolute highest value in 2020 vs. the population of the U.S.A. we're looking at a difference in death rate of 0.01%

That's why I'm being ordered to live in a box and eat bugs I ordered from grubhub? While my savings drops to zero and Amazon, Walmart, Google, and BlackRock become the tyrannical oligarchy ruling western civilization?

They're begging to get strung up from lampposts and you're begging to join them.

>>12632147
>riots that burn down several cities
>cops stop patrolling black neighborhoods
>massive disruption to ordinary life due to lockdowns
>it's muh meme virus

>>12632292
>we're looking at a difference in death rate of 0.01%
OK, and?

>That's why I'm being ordered to live in a box and eat bugs I ordered from grubhub?
No, that's the result, not the reason. The reason is what would happen, not what did happen.

>>12632523
That's a nice story, too bad the data disagrees. I guess all COVID tests and coroners are wrong and it's just a coincidence that the deaths happen during outbreaks of COVID?

>>12632714
bullshit

>>12632858
source?
;)

>>12632872
the agenda driven shills that make up these fictitious statistics

>>12632886
bullshit

>>12632886
and you aren't an agenda driven shill?
guess you'll have to prove it
;)

>>12629916
you cant generalize like that. for some people its nothing and for others its worse then the flu. stop spreading disinformation. its not my fault your body is worse then mine, stop locking us down stupid faggot.

>>12632147
Sure suicides and people not getting care because of the media fer mongering about permament brain damage had nothing to do with it, not to mention all the whole early intubation thing

>>12633086
Correct, they don't have much to do with it. See >>12632714

It would be nice if you retards could ever come up with any evidence for your bullshit excuses.

>>12629916
Most of the people that try to tell be it is just a flu so I just refer to covid as "boomer remover" and say maybe letting boomer remover run wild isn't a bad idea.
Not the most polite approach but every one I have said that to suddenly doesn't want to let it loose.

>>12633100
*Most of the people that try to tell be it is just a flu *are older*

>>12629916
The mainstream media and all my favorite celebrities are telling me to stay home, discard my life, and become depressed over a virus that has a 99.8% survival rate. Better throw all sense away and mindlessly follow their orders!

>>12629916
Tell them to trust the science of statistical manipulation

>>12631783
>>12632091
Okay fear mongers is there are single study, where they properly isolated SARS-CoV-2 from a specimen directly ex vivo? Not in vitro nonsense, but directly.

>>12629916
You don't. Lying isn't polite.

>https://rumble.com/vdaicp-cna-nursing-home-whistleblower-seniors-are-dying-like-flies-after-covid-inj.html

>>12633109
Questioning the media is a good idea but leaping to the conclusion that everything they say is a lie isn't rational.
Also everyone that takes time off / loses their job due to covid is someone that isn't making money for their employer so it doesn't make sense to the elites to be fabricating it.

>>12632714
Well if a significant fraction of organic deaths are labeled a COVID deaths that sure helps your narrative.

>>12632995
>i'm not a shill YOU are
Gonna need a source for that.

>>12632714
I was a bit of a covid-denier until I saw this. Can someone try and explain this so I can become a denier again please

>>12630712
More infectious =/= more deadly

On an individual level, as in you get the flu, and you get covid, if you're under 60 you're more likely to die from the flu.

More people getting it doesn't make it punch you harder.

https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID_excess_mort_withcauses_01212021/WeeklyExcessDeaths?:embed=y&:jsdebug=y&:toolbar=n&:tabs=n&:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

All-cause excess mortality. What, exactly, started around the end of 1Q2020 in the US and is still going on today to cause that prolonged high rate of excess mortality? You can see the 2018 flu season, considered to be one of the worst flu seasons on record, caused by the H3N2 strain known to cause more hospitalizations than other strains. And it still didn't come close to the length of pandemic or mortality associated with SARS-CoV-2.

>>12633474
>On an individual level, as in you get the flu, and you get covid, if you're under 60 you're more likely to die from the flu.
Nah, that's simply false.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

>>12629916
If they read/watch the news (i.e not living under a rock) and don't already know that this isn't like a typical flu, they are beyond saving.
Don't waste your time on them, acquire more knowledge instead.

>>12630712
You mean that mortality rate will be better than several years out of previous decade? Not a very convincing argument, unless you claim that horrible pandemics happened every third year.

>>12630974
>mortality grew by 900% in 2020
Is it your photo?

>>12631783
California currently has peak cases and deaths, yet its governor is declaring the lifting of the lockdown. If certain hospitals run out of supplies before, then its purely their incompetence.

>How would you explain to someone politely that the COVID-19 virus is worse than the seasonal flu?
I wouldn't do that but I suppose that if one was going to then one would cite their own opinion and also what they heard on TV.

>>12633538
California is also pants-on-head retarded when it comes to healthcare. You're right though, health systems get stretched every year with flu/pneumonia/rsv/noro/fuckingeverythingelse. We all had preparations in place for a massive surge, so we had plans for this sort of thing even before COVID came around. Sucks for the hospitals that didn't.

>>12633094
There was a study a couple months ago that said one in three excess deaths were not caused by COVID-19

>>12632292
The world is ruled by old white male boomers, the exact demographic that is most affected by covid, if this was something that affected the young nobody would give a shit, or brown people in third world countries, look up how many people die of tbc, malaria and other preventable diseases worldwide, and nobody would ever suggest to destroy the world's economy to stop it.

>>12632714
What's an "outbreak" anyway here? Do they drop covid chemtrails from planes?

>Worse than the seasonal flu.
For most people, that's a pretty low bar. Unless you're elderly or have some other chronic health issue, the seasonal flu can range from spending a couple of days miserable in bed to having to remember to have facial tissues nearby. If you want to imprison billions of people and shut down most productive activity, you need a better reason than "worse that the seasonal flu".

Reminder that George Floyd was a COVID death.

>>12629916
what for?

>>12632080
Had Trump won this would have been the case.

>>12633854
kek'd

>>12633642
Which is exactly what >>12632714 says. Are you OK?

>>12633121
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30193-4/fulltext

>>12633397
And if COVID deaths are under-reported? The only one giving a narrative is you, since all you can offer are hypotheticals and excuses without evidence.

>>12633405
Sure, as soon as you give a source for >>12632886

>>12634046
Not him, but I remember one guy (Cardona was his name I think?) that died of "COVID, + complications from bullet wounds" after being shot by police 6 times. It was considered a COVID death.
There's many cases of people dying in accidents but counting as COVID, finding them is as easy as a Google search.

>>12633474
>More infectious =/= more deadly
I would say killing the same amount of people as 9 flu seasons is more deadly.

>>12633121

you act like that's hard

>>12633532
>mortality from justdaflu grew by 900%
>it's justdapopulation
You're so stupid that you point out a flaw in your own reasoning and think it's mine.

>>12633829
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_outbreak

>>12633849
>COVID is justdaflu
>no it's not
>well that's a pretty low bar, who cares if it's worse than the flu?

>>12634052
Counted by whom?

>>12634090
The people writing the death reports I assume.

>>12634095
>I assume
Not good enough, try again.

>>12634088
Worse can mean almost anything. Getting kicked in the nuts is worse than stubbing a toe. Getting punched in the face is worse than stubbing a toe. Being incinerated in a nuclear blast is worse than stubbing a toe.
There's a lot of range beyond stubbing one's toe just as there's lot of range beyond the seasonal flu. Pretending everything beyond the flu is equal to death is intellectually dishonest.
Also /sci/ isn't just one person. You're not having a personal one-on-one conversation here.

>>12634125
>Worse can mean almost anything.
OK, and are we just saying anything about COVID or are we being specific? You're taking a response to an incorrect claim as if it is the entire argument.

COVID is worse but not as worse as been said in the social media... this should not attack anybody it is my personal meaning

>>12629916
Midwits are mass produced people who think alike.
If you want to rise above the rest, follow what common sense tells you.
Are those men in a lab coat above corruption?
Are those men with diplomas more than a bunch of trained dogs? No, they are not. Else they would lose their jobs as they risk finding dangerous truths.

>>12629916
It's probably worse however i don't care enough to follow restrictions, therefore, OP is a nigger

>>12634210
And what evidence do you have of corruption? Or are random accusations evidence now?

>>12634054
>individual level
>AMOUNT OF PEOPLE HURRR
retarded

>>12633682
>old white male


That aside, if what you said was true people in power would act as if they took it seriously. But they don't. Instead they continue to jet set, glad hand, and congregate at private events without PPE of any kind.

>>12633908
Along with having meth and fent in his system, and a heart condition, he was positive for COVID.


Reminder that he was not dead at the scene, but passed away at the hospital. Had he been any random person his death would have probably been ruled a COVID casualty.

>>12634090
Who counted the COVID deaths you think are legit?

Protip: If you have to retreat into tactical nihilism you've lost the argument.

>>12634350
On an individual level, you are more likely to be infected and die. Retard.

>>12634421
>But they don't.
Source?

>>12634445
>Who counted the COVID deaths you think are legit?
The CDC. Now please answer my question.

>Protip: If you have to retreat into tactical nihilism you've lost the argument.
I don't know what you mean by nihilism in this context. It seems to me that dismissing all evidence that leads to the conclusion you don't like based purely on wishful thinking is "nihilistic"

>>12634272
Scientists are corrupt sellouts.
If you can't see that, then I recommend you to do some research on your own and to challenge your current comforting thoughts and beliefs.

>>12634043
Not in there.
>VeroE6 cells were used for virus isolation and were cultured in DMEM and 10% FCS.
I explain to you, why that shows nothing. They used monkey kidney epithelium cells (VeroE6). Fetal bovine serum 10% (FCS) and Dulbecco's Minimal Essential Medium (DMEM) basically stuff to keep cells from dying, because that’s what they do if you put them in a monolayer.
So you would likely see cells dying at some point, that’s expected. Hence you need to have negative controls. Where you take material from somebody not infected and do the same procedure. So the study is useless and proves nothing.
>The culture supernatant was examined for presence of virus RNA by rtPCR
That means nothing since nobody ever isolated SARS-CoV-2 they just have a in silico construct, they got by throwing primers at unknown substance and aligning it. Also the supernatant is just the fluid phase of the cell debris. How knows what the exact proteomics of monkey kidney cells under extrem stress are. That alone probably can kill human lung tissue in a monolayer, but it’s get better. Go into their supplementary appendix.
>The purified pneumocyte suspension was resuspended in small airway growth medium (Lonza, USA) supplemented with 1% FBS, 100 U/ml penicillin and 100 μg/ml streptomycin and plated at a cell density of 3105 cells/cm2.
>The cells were maintained in a humidified atmosphere (5% CO2, 37°C) under liquid-covered conditions and growth medium was changed daily starting from 60 h after plating the cells.
When the cell layer approached 75% confluence, the pneumocytes were trypsinised and detached into Hank’s buffered saline solution.
They put antibiotics (100 U/ml penicillin and 100 μg/ml streptomycin) both with known cytotoxic effects in. That certainly does damage human lung tissue. On top of that they used trypsin, which is a digestive enzyme. No wonder, we can see cell damage. On top of that the lung tissue, was from people with lung cancer. Zero negativ control

>>12634506
"Deadly" qualifies the disease, not the pandemic and our response to it as a whole. When you say it is deadlier by claiming it causes more deaths, while ignoring how many are infected and how we have responded, you are being retarded. It is not "more deadly". It is more contagious, considering social activity and the implied opportunities for contagion.

>>12634060
I have gone through 10-15 publications claiming it‘s isolated. Not one could show it.
>>12634531
As it stands Rivers postulates couldn’t be satisfied.

>>12634524
So no evidence? OK. My instincts tell me you're making shit up.

>>12634531
It’s so tiresome. They always claim mock infection control and don’t present the data or even what they did as mock infection. They don’t even claim to have used a specimen from somebody not infected. Either they don’t get, what they are doing or there is something else going on.

>>12634531
To anybody, who actually will read the paper, who wonders about the reasons, why the „pandemic“ H1N1, the scary H5N1, Mers-Cov and Sars-Cov-1 leave a different kind of tissue damage. I think the most likely explanation is decay of proteins and other cell substances during freezing. Hence the longer you freeze something the more scary it looks. Because even, if you turn done the temperatures very low some things still happen (even more if you thaw it and freeze it several times). Since the „viral“ sample (actually there is no prove of the virion/virus being there) still has small scale cell components and possibly even toxins in there. So if you put the pandemic H5N1 sample with the damaged proteins etc. into monolayer cells that certainly won’t help them and can cause damage. Remember, if you can’t take a sample directly from somebody infected purify, centrifuge, and look at it under the electron microscope and do biochemical analysis it should be disregarded. Look at any „halfway decent „bacteriophage“ paper on how it’s properly done.

>>12632714
>le 20,000 excess deaths of half dead people
Bet this would get redditrevved up

>>12634600
Typical midwit, needing someone to do the thinking for him and to research for him.

>>12634754
You're demanding me to do thinking and research for you, on your own claim. The burden of proof is on you, retard. We both know you're just making shit up though, so you can end this pathetic LARP.

>>12634828
Yeah, enjoy your tyranny sheepie.

>>12634531
>>12634545
>>12634626
>>12634717
OK schizo

>>12629916
My gf is a doctor and she told me how there are so much cases of blood clotting and various post illness effects of like the majority of the patients in our country.
The weaker your health was generally the more of a chance you will get some strange blood clotting and some more funky stuff after corona, and that they have absolutely no idea how long that would last and will some people recover from it.
I know theres a lot of trolls here but even i personally know so many people that died from corona.. Until it hits close to home you can only act so tough and say - its just a flew

>>12633532
God shut up you fucking nigger

>>12634833
Amazing how easy it is to break /pol/tards. Just ask them for evidence for their lies and they immediately start freaking out and calling you sheeple.

>>12630963
LMAO your manipulated stats are so easy to see through. The death count is so inflated that if you really think that image is factual you are a total retard.

>>12629916
>Imagine the flu as the ocean
>now imagine covid as the ocean after I've taken a piss in it.
>The ocean is the same, but after I pissed in it hysteric brainlets decided to surround it with barbed wire, watchtowers, sirens and processions of crying doomers.
>But the ocean is the same.

>>12632904
not an argument

>>12634897
If you don't have common sense, there is not much we can do for you.
Enjoy your tyranny sheepie.

>>12634836
I‘m waiting for your case, but next-generation-sequencing, direct RNA or DNA nanopores, transcriptome, shotgun sequencing or all the nextstrains of this world aren’t „isolation“.
Probably there will be nothing of value from you.
Would be nice, if somebody else with knowledge comes around. Maybe discuss Fredricks and Relman. You can learn something so stick around and let the adults discuss it.

>>12634853
>so much cases of blood clotting
Good reason to look into the coagulation inhibitors quality and other potential causes in the environment.
>various post illness effects of like the majority of the patients in our country.
>The weaker your health was generally the more funky stuff
Or it’s just a data artifact. Unhealthy people have a lot of issues, now everybody suspects SARS-CoV-2.
>I personally know
My condolences. However a positive Test isn’t reliable, hence there is a good chance they died of something else.
Iatrogenic causes almost always in the top 5 list, if leading causes of dead are concerned. The media panic reflected on them and there was a huge amount of experimental and bad treatment.

>>12634072
CTs in a nutshell. They are the niggers of the educational world. /pol/ are niggers

>>12634072
Both covid and flu are irrelevant.

>>12630963
>6% of the yellow circle is actual covid

>>12635142
Common sense says you are mentally ill and can't provide evidence for your claims because they are just made up fairy tales.

>>12635351
Covidist BTFO.

>>12629916
Lung damage
Another kind of pneumonia

>>12635438
Or old wine in new bottles. Induced by a mass panic on a societal scale.

>>12635464
Mass panic would be over in a couple of weeks. It's centralized forced introduction of new normal by governments/above-the-governments structures.

>>12635470
That’s the question, how many politicians, donors and others genuinely believe it. I guess there is this momentum, but obviously some are spinning the wheels. Probably the fear would collapse at some point, if it wasn’t pushed to some degree.

>>12630995
BABA GANOOSH

>>12635171
>I‘m waiting for your case, but next-generation-sequencing, direct RNA or DNA nanopores, transcriptome, shotgun sequencing or all the nextstrains of this world aren’t „isolation“.
They are, no one cares about your arbitrary standards.

>>12635234
No, your uneducated opinion is irrelevant.

>>12635239
Source?

>>12629916
we know that it's worse than the flue
but you tell me how to tell someone politely that destroying the economy will kill more people then covid?

>>12635621
It's your opinion which is malignant (more so than covid).

>>12635611
>they are because I say so
The standard was always Koch (he got it from somebody else, but whatever), that couldn’t be fulfilled. So Rivers postulates came; they tried and failed. So my standard isn’t remotely fringe, most still try to pretend to adhere to this standard. However there is a new game, where the a definition is completely arbitrary, but some still act as, if it’s accepted. Still in the main stream it isn’t. If you want to see, what is happening in academia you should watch this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ucF_wjyDfMA
Quiet a few know, what’s going on. And many understand, how it all happened.
You won’t hear a sound about it, because there is the nice home, the nice car and the weekend home.

>>12629916
Just politely point out that even with all the restrictions the case numbers and deaths are far outweighing seasonal flu. Mention how if you took current rates of flu compared to a usual year and used that to multiply current rates of COVID to what you could expect without any control measures you'd be getting a plague.

That said, a lot of politicians have mismanaged it. Plenty of countries and cities have dealt with it without having to crash their economy with no survivors. Here in Sydney, Australia we're down to 0 cases of community spread again and we've never had hard lockdowns.

>>12635649
My opinion is that you are retarded for claiming the excess deaths can be explain by population growth. Do you have special needs?

>Philadelphia is home to some of the most venerated medical institutions in the country. Yet when it came time to set up the city’s first and largest coronavirus mass vaccination site, officials turned to the start-up Philly Fighting COVID, a self-described “group of college kids” with minimal health-care experience.
>Chaos ensued.
>Seniors were left in tears after finding that appointments they’d made through a bungled sign-up form wouldn’t be honored. The group switched to a for-profit model without publicizing the change and added a privacy policy that would allow it to sell users’ personal data. One volunteer alleged that the 22-year-old CEO had pocketed vaccine doses. Another described a “free-for-all” where unsupervised 18- and 19-year-olds vaccinated one another and posed for photos.
Get vaccinated, have your personal information sold to the highest bidder. Can't get more American than that.

>>12635682
You are mentally ill, this "debate" has been over for decades. HIV causes AIDS. Get over it already, schizo.

>>12635733
>Just a few weeks ago, Philly Fighting COVID was receiving glowing coverage from the likes of NBC’s “Today.” The group had a compelling story: Doroshin, a graduate student at Drexel University, helped orchestrate an effort to use 3-D printers to make free face shields for hospital workers at the start of the pandemic. By summer, he and his friends were running their own pop-up testing sites citywide.
>But as Philadelphia magazine reported, the group’s “executive team” lacked anyone with a medical degree or advanced degree in public health. Doroshin himself listed a résumé that included stints teaching a high school film class, producing videos of people longboarding and practicing parkour, and founding a nonprofit that, according to Philadelphia magazine, “mostly consisted of a meme-heavy Twitter account, some minor community lobbying, and a fundraiser with a $50,000 goal that netted $684.”

>>12635736
>ad hominem
I think you are insecure. Probably you don’t understand any of this and that’s fine. Maybe you can take away, there is another side to things. Even, if you don’t understand it or it causes you cognitive dissonance. Feel free to ask any questions about, how viruses are „found“ using alignment software or any questions related to plaque assays etc.

>>12635753
There is not much to know, Duesberg had been repeating the same bullshit for almost 30 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duesberg_hypothesis#Scientific_response_to_the_Duesberg_hypothesis

The only difference is that every new technique or paradigm which further disproves his lies gets handwaved away. Keep parroting his nonsense, it makes no difference. Scientists have moved on.

>>12635731
If "excess deaths" make the year better than several years from the previous decade, then they are irrelevant.

>>12635733
Good, maybe all the vaccination stuff will be sabotaged after all.

>>12635803
>Duesberg
My point is the hold field of virology. He is just an example, how things tend to go, if even small pieces of the scientific canon are questioned. You need to ask questions, why can we do things with bacteriophages we can’t do with viruses. Or why is half of our genome of „viral“ origin, could it be we are sending the primes after our own genetic material and create a mental picture from short sequences, that doesn’t represent anything.
Also Wikipedia? Come on. You are better than parroting this stuff.
You need to read the papers.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Holly_Shelton2/publication/327266796_Animal_Models_in_Influenza_Research/links/5c9c967745851506d73018b5/Animal-Models-in-Influenza-Research.pdf?origin=publication_detail
For example here. Who can honestly tell he believes, it’s somehow a surprise, to have an animal sneezing and coughing, if you put stuff into it’s airways. Or who could predict there is a good chance of ending up with unspecific issues, if you destroy the microbiom with antibiotics (they are in the cultures). There are so many issues it’s ridiculous. No matter where you look.

>>12635808
What a great year.

>>12635887
Funny addendum I just wanted to know, how bad the Wikipedia article is and clicked on one link.
https://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/cohen/266-5191-1647.pdf
>this doesn’t look like science
Indeed.

>>12635887
>My point is the hold field of virology
Yes, I understand that you need to deny the results of an entire scientific field in order to maintain your position.

>You need to ask questions, why can we do things with bacteriophages we can’t do with viruses.
Hmmm maybe because bacteria are incredibly easy to grow and break down? Wow, you're really asking the tough questions.

>Or why is half of our genome of „viral“ origin, could it be we are sending the primes after our own genetic material and create a mental picture from short sequences, that doesn’t represent anything.
It could be, it could also be that the Tooth Fairy put them there.

I look forward to you proving your handwaves with actual research instead of crank YouTube videos. Until then, fuck off.

>>12635960
>Yes, I understand that you need to deny the results of an entire scientific field in order to maintain your position.
No. Well I don’t deny the technics and the knowledge from other disciplines they (miss)use. Sure so what specifically is your point.
>because bacteria are incredibly easy to grow
That’s completely false most organisms can’t be grown in vitro.
If you look, how the viruses are allegedly working there should be more than enough material to directly isolate it.
In fact getting a bacteria to produce „sperm“, which is the most fitting description of „phages“ isn’t easy.
You need extrem conditions, while the virus allegedly just naturally is there (in vivo) in abundance.

>>12629916

>>12629916

>>12635960
Also you are making the positive claims here. Hence you link the study and I look at it. The Wikipedia article was a joke. Completely biased and garbage links. And some guy named Cohen J. telling you a hundred times he doesn’t like the hypothesis, but can’t present evidence.

>>12636023
I don't know if we'll ever get an accurate accounting of causes due to all the shenanigans with reporting anyone having COVID as having died of it.

>>12629916
to start you would have to be an adept b.s. artist. and your target would have to fall into the mentally retarded scope.

>>12630741
Population growth can be calculated into it. But still the more complex the less likely they are to follow.

>>12629916
You could simply mind your own business.

>>12629916
pretty bad mortality data for groups that are vulnerable. if you're healthy, sure it's "just the flu". but if you're a little less than healthy, or just plain old, then you have a pretty good chance of kicking the can.

everything else is up in the air. then it's up to your societal/cultural values what you would do. from my observations, most westerners think more like every man for himself (do correct me if i'm wrong). asians are more family oriented. and masks aren't seen as a restriction of muh freedoms and it seen negatively, so it's much less of an "effort" to care for others. i feel like thinking of your "freedom" is okay, but i don't understand why westerns view wearing a mask so negatively. in my opinion you're much more of a cuck if you think wearing something degrades you. i'm assuming westerners don't want to be "cucks".

>>12637029
Asian countries are basically monocultures. Even the most leftist of sociology researchers admit that multiculturalism and diversity destroys social cohesion, even within identity groups. Asian countries can implement policies for the good of the nation because they actually are nations. There are no western nations, only countries. Diversity in a pandemic is not a strength. Take a look at which Asian countries have done the best during the pandemic versus those who have done the worse. You'll find more diversity in those doing poorly (I'll exclude Singapore since it's more or less a city-state dictatorship that forces the different groups into a single whole whether they like it or not).

>>12634517
>I don't know what you mean by nihilism
"Tactical nihilism" is when you hear something you don't like so you deny knowledge and ontology itself.

If you can't see where you did that you're a midwit and there's no hope for you I'm sorry.

>>12637121
i see, that does make sense. i'm sorry you all got jewed. i am definitely a fan of having multiple homogeneous cultures and races that are geographically separated. there are pros and cons though.

also maybe try not to kick your kids out at 18 years old. maybe that's why your real estate prices are so jacked up too. i hope one day the west regains family values.

>>12637133
The only one who did that is you. I presented scientific data, you denied it.

>>12637133
And you once again failed to answer my question.

>>12637029
>pretty bad mortality data for groups that are vulnerable. if you're healthy, sure it's "just the flu". but if you're a little less than healthy, or just plain old, then you have a pretty good chance of kicking the can
All the cases are determined by qRT-PCR and that tells you nothing about the virus being present, it just amplifies the target mRNA sequences.
In the end, what you are saying, is healthy people usually don’t die and very sick and very old people have a much higher chance of dying on a day to day basis.
That’s just trivial. There is nothing extra ordinary about the situation.

Is there a single paper that shows isolation and purification of SARS-CoV-2.
Dr. Charles Calisher:
>I know of no such a publication. I have kept an eye out for one.

>>12637694
>The experiment began with 100 volunteers from the Navy who had no history of influenza. Rosenau was the first to report on the experiments conducted at Gallops Island in November and December 1918.69 His first volunteers received first one strain and then several strains of Pfeiffer's bacillus by spray and swab into their noses and throats and then into their eyes. When that procedure failed to produce disease, others were inoculated with mixtures of other organisms isolated from the throats and noses of influenza patients. Next, some volunteers received injections of blood from influenza patients. Finally, 13 of the volunteers were taken into an influenza ward and exposed to 10 influenza patients each. Each volunteer was to shake hands with each patient, to talk with him at close range, and to permit him to cough directly into his face. None of the volunteers in these experiments developed influenza
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862332/

>>12631604
As someone who's had multplie friends who tested positive for COVID-19, I can attest to every single thing you are saying.

>>12634052
Comorbidities are accounted for: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

>>12629916
Don't bother, but do ask them how they would ever find out a real dangerous virus was actually making the rounds if their default assumption is that every doctor and every news outlet is part of some elaborate conspiracy.

>>12637992
It's clear: when I see that half of my young friends die from the virus, I accept that it is really bad. If I don't know anyone who has died from it (or it is 90 years old friend of a friend of a friend with cancer), then certain doubts arise.

>>12638042
>when I see that half of my young friends die from the virus
Particularly unlucky flu season. If a doctor tells you otherwise, he's part of the conspiracy.

>>12637992
It didn't start in China and in all likelihood it's been floating around the world since at least September.

All you have to do is look at the CDC ILI 2019 graphs and you can see massive spikes in August/September and December/January. The 2009 and 2018 flus never saw that exponential of a growth.

>>12638051
>Particularly unlucky flu season.
No, someone young I know is dying from seasonal cold, then it's a huge rarity, so no.
> If a doctor tells you otherwise, he's part of the conspiracy.
Doctor may be malignant/incompetent on his own or as a part of conspiracy. But he does not even factor in by now.

>>12638071
excess deaths of young people don't seem to have tipped you off so far

>>12638094
If these excess deaths don't impact my circle of friends and relatives, then either they are a minuscule addition to minuscule value or downright bad stats. They also can happen due to all the "anticovid" oppression, not covid itself.

>>12637354
>>12637370
Sorry about your 110 bro.

>>12638121
So a virus can only be real if it affects your specific circle of friends? And how is anticovid oppression killing people through respiratory disease, which is the cause of death in the bulk of these excess deaths (see >>12637965) - not suicide or common stress related conditions.

>>12638094
>"broken down by broad age groups"
>actually broken down by country

>>12638149
The initial question was
>how they would ever find out a real dangerous virus was actually making the rounds if their default assumption is that every doctor and every news outlet is part of some elaborate conspiracy.
You got the answer in >>12638042

Not sure how "what, you think that government is malignant and incompetent? look at this graph made by government" is supposed to be a good argument.

>>12638149
>So a virus can only be real if it affects your specific circle of friends?
If the virus is magical and doesn't affect my circle of friends, then fuck off from us with all the lockdown and mask stuff.

>>12638149
When every public health and governmental authority is untrustworthy the only meaningful sample I have is my own social sphere.

How about this: tell us how many people in YOUR social sphere have contracted it, and how many have died.

>>12638155
You can select which data to show
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
>>12638157
Yeah, you made it clear that there's no possible way to know a dangerous disease is going around until your buddies are dying off. Some folks would feel that's a bit late, but you do you.
>>12638166
>we're not affected yet boys, let's make sure to not keep it that way

I would explain that it is the seasonal flu, with a side order of standing waves in the fluid filled lungs.
We've taken the common cold, and with the addition of high powered microwave signals, turned our lungs into the Grape Experiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCrtk-pyP0I
>>12638180

>>12637965
What do you make of the flu being a comorbidity in over half the deaths with COVID-19, which is a higher number than the annual flu death rate?

What do you make of taking all the COVID-19 deaths, and comparing them to the volume of all-cause deaths, and noticing they don't even constitute half of the excess deaths? See e.g. pic related. In this age group, all-cause deaths up 28k, but only 7k are with COVID.

>>12638181
>When every public health and governmental authority is untrustworthy
Illuminati lizard jews at it again?
>>12638181
>How about this: tell us how many people in YOUR social sphere have contracted it, and how many have died.
One person had it and was perfectly fine. Which is an insignificant sample size, as would be me knowing 20 people who had it and all of whom died.

>>12638187
Of course there can be a sane well-intentioned government around you can believe. But since it insists on destroying its reputation, it is indeed will have no way to make people believe.
That's not even relevant since even if we'll accept all the governmental claims, covid is still a somewhat bad seasonal cold and measures against it are the main trouble.

>>12638187
>>we're not affected yet boys, let's make sure to not keep it that way
If governments around the world introduce something and it does not help, then I'll better do the opposite.

>>12638198
>Illuminati lizard jews at it again?
These are supposed to be malignant, but at least a bit competent.

>>12638188
•Microwaves are absorbed by the first layer of water. They do not "heat from from the inside out."
• The first symptom of microwave exposure is burning sensation in the skin and cataracts
•5G microwave amplitudes are so low that they cause no discernible biological effect
•Signals in the microwave range are only 1% of the radio bands used by 5G

>>12634833
Individualist cultures died and were crushed by collectivist and authority-trusting ones.

You better get back in line, if you don't want to die.

>>12638229
North Korea will surely devour the world soon, right after USSR will be reborn.

>>12638198
In my sample two unrelated boomers positive tests and never developed symtoms
With dunbar's number being ~120, if we get ten more people we will have a statistically significant sample.

Between us we're looking at a 1.3% infection rate and a 0% mortality. By "perfectly fine" do you mean asymptomatic or mild flu symptoms?

>>12638198
>Illuminati lizard jews at it again?
Eventually the citizens of the Soviet Union and other Warsaw-Pact nations realized their media and state authorities were utterly untrustworthy.

At what point did this opinion become valid?

DYOR
1/12

2/12

SARS-COV2 genome's is 35 kb

6/12

7/12

8/12

9/12

10/12

11/12

An interesting excerpt from the last page
>The capacity of coronaviruses to undergo RNA-RNA recombination, coupled with the high theoretical error rate of the viral RNA polymerase (1 mutation in every 10,000 nucleotides), generates coronavirus genomes with changes that may be selectively advantageous in new environments or hosts. The recent discovery that corona-viruses may regulate replication fidelity suggests they may have novel mechanisms for adaptation to new hosts.

>>12638373
Thank you for your efforts to raise this conversation to a higher level.
I‘m somebody with, what you would consider deep knowledge about a rather wide spectrum of virology. I‘m going to screen it for coherence with the existing virological textbook „knowledge“. And give you the parts they don’t tell you. It will take some time. Maybe that will get interesting discussion going.

>>12638630
>>12638373
Is it Flint and Racaniello because it seems like their style? I‘m never sure, if these two guys understand modern (in silcio) virology. Good old times going all out at monkey kidney cells without any pretense of negative controls for the most part.

It looks like we're basically just getting 5-10 years worth of extra flu deaths and almost exclusively among old people, i.e. people whose lives were unnaturally prolonged 5-10 years by the flu vaccine.

>>12638696
We are all sacrifices on the altar of Big Boomer.

>>12638444
>CVs rape the Golgi

Devlish.

>>12638696
Or more likely we‘re going to see extra deaths due to the „vaccine“ and they will still claim they saved us all form their imaginary Frankenstein. They created by throwing primers at fluids from sick people (probably something fishy about the market) let the computer do the „alignment“ and „filling“ of the gaps. An compared the hits to priory found imaginary Frankensteins. There the ghost was born. The sad truth is, they couldn’t come about with something more than 80 percent homologous. Sad.

>>12638694
It's from Fundamentals of Molecular Virology by Acheson

>>12638094
>broad age groups
>15-64
They weren't kidding.

>>12629916
rows of refrigerated morgue trucks outside hospitals are not normal

There's too many damn humans.

>>12639042
Then don't put rows of trucks in front of morgues.

>>12629916
unlikely all these people are dying from staying at home

>>12639200
So why isn't Sweden which is pretty lax on lockdowns and mask doing much worse than the worst examples?

>>12634129
it's pretty obvious that what he says is not about COVID specifically, he's just pointing out ambiguous language in whatever the hell that autist wanted to say. Stop being retarded.

>>12638197
>What do you make of the flu being a comorbidity in over half the deaths with COVID-19
>What do you make of taking all the COVID-19 deaths, and comparing them to the volume of all-cause deaths, and noticing they don't even constitute half of the excess deaths?
I don't make much of them, since they're both lies.

>>12638373
>>12638379
>>12638383
>>12638389
>>12638395
>>12638407
>>12638411
>>12638416
>>12638430
>>12638437
>>12638444
>>12638457
NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T POST THIS, VIRUSES ARE A HOAX

>>12639247
Because lockdown policies are not the only factor? Hint: try comparing Sweden to similar Nordic countries.

>>12639615
>it's pretty obvious that what he says is not about COVID specifically
Right, is it about what we're talking about though?

>he's just pointing out ambiguous language
There is nothing ambiguous about it. Retards claim COVID is justdaflu when it is much worse.

>>12638905
>molecular virology
>molecular
Pretty humorous for a discipline with minimal serious studying of proteomics, RNAomics and genomics.
Especially serious and honest protein characterization seems to be missing. Well, you can’t do that with the unpurified garbage virology is working with.
Can’t remember ever having looked up something there. I never considered textbooks to be helpful anyway.
However it seems to be pretty much careful basic narrative.
But I noticed the diss of Ralph Barric on the first page and chuckled a little.

>>12639801
Nah. This is great, I will present based on this, how the first CoV was „found“ 1960 by David Tyrell. He called it B114. And I can already spoiler, how the mistake was made. They were searching for the causative agent of the common could. And they found certain things in the nasopharyngeal swab and „washing“ probably just BAL. What do human lower and upper respiratory cells during a common cold and bats have in common? You know bats the animals that rest a lot and have intervals of rapid movements in between them? Correct it’s high cellular stress. There are certain molecular activities that go a long with cells regenerating from stress (or better getting rid of certain substances). Hence there is elevated activity of certain genes and hence more mRNA and proteins, that deal with these conditions around.
You are going to love it.

>>12639929
Mid 1960 my mistake.
https://www.bmj.com/content/1/5448/1467?ijkey=04c56adbed2d34ee894697a06864814f7043147a&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha
>After considerable initial doubts we now believe that the B814 strain is a virus virtually unrelated to any other known virus
That’s what they believed. I would say the doubts are even more present today.
>of the human respiratory tract, although, since it is ether-labile, it may be a myxovirus. It is disappointing that so far no satisfactory serological test isavailable,buttherearemany possibilitiesstiltobeexplored for instance, we have not yet tried to use the fluorescent anti- body technique with sections of organ cultures, because model experiments with cultures infected with influenza virus were not encouraging.
>ether liable
You don’t say most mRNA, proteins and even many organic toxins can be destroyed by ether?
>Volunteers developed colds after the intranasal inoculation ofsecretionsderivedfromaboywithacommoncold.
How did you make sure that presenting certain body fluids with the specific complex mix of substances to somebody else can’t be misinterpreted by the test subjects body as an „alarm“ that produces the same symptoms.
>Forseveralreasonsitisbelieved that the B814 virus was multiplying and causing these colds. Firstly, no colds were produced by fluids from " dummy " cultures containing no tissue and inoculated one or two days beforewithnasalwashings. Similarly,nocoldswerepro- duced by fluids from numerous uninoculated parallel cultures set up from the same embryos, changes at the same time in the same cabinet, and using the same medium as those used for the virus-infected cultures
>were prepared mainly from the tracheas of 14- to 22-week-old human embryos obtained at hysterotomy
from cases in which there was no infectioninthemotherorfoetus.
So we should conclude it’s a big surprise the intra and extra cellular material of adult human cells in stress can „kill“ cells of a human fetus?

>>12640106
cells in monolayers.

>>12639821
>Because lockdown policies are not the only factor?
So what is that mysterious factor which makes so much difference?

>>12640106
No isolation purification. No serious chemical and biochemical analysis. Speculations and nothing more.

>>12638457
Or another perspective is this. The mRNA and proteins that allegedly build the hole genome of the CoV family are just genetic/biochemical mechanisms present in many different species. And many of the sequence motives are related to specific “cleaning” mechanisms. Hence they are present during illness or high cellular activity of any kind and can cause “cleaning” symptoms in many different species, if introduced in high concentrations.

>>12639821
>similar Nordic countries.
No such countries exist. Sweden's demographics, especially those related to immigration, and population distribution is much more similar to countries like the UK than to "similar" Nordic countries.

>>12638373
>120-160nm
>>12638389
>75-160nm
They seem to have no clue.

>>12639042
neither is getting a rushed vax for something with a 99% survival rate.

Serious you muppet use your brain.

>>12640281
The thing is, how do we even know this isn’t normal. Or just a sign of civilization of general civilizational collapse. Or a plain media hype. Nobody could purify and isolate SARS-CoV-2 let alone prove Rivers postulates. We are currently wrecking everything, because some people have seen a ghost in a closet. It’s ridiculous.

Okay, guys don’t take any test or vaccine without reading the fine print.
>may possibly be useful
>could help
>maybe does
>suggested to

>>12640122
>So what is that mysterious factor which makes so much difference?
Where did I say there was a factor which makes much of the difference? Learn how to read.

>>12640167
Source?

>>12640661
Ask the guy making the claims about Sweden.

>>12639821
You are wrong either way. No nordic country had strong measures. Finland and Norway did very little beyond closing the borders, limitation of very large events, no large scale lockdowns, no mask mandate (no prove of any benefit) and focused on preventing fear.

To anybody, who wonders about the virology papers claiming they did negative controls, mock, dummy or whatever they call it, they really don’t do it. Here is the trick it’s so simple. The negative control is never with fluid from somebody not infected it’s always saline. The antibiotics are also missing. Hence medium. It’s so funny to question virologist about it, at least unconsciously they know they have been found out at that point.
>But, but that can’t kill cells
You present the toxicological evidence
>but, but nobody does it
That’s the problem.

>>12629916
Politics do use sci subject to validate their argument, it's no surprise cov*d turns out to be fake, and an hypocrital move too, since they never gave a f about health and are now whinning about a virus. besides elections haven't stopped here. I suppose this is a prototype social test involving an Orwellian dystopia.

I've been close to tip the bucket last year, not cuz cov*d, but because I put alcohol in the liver, not in my hands.

Hail Hypocrisy and ignorance that's all.

>>12641209
Yes, I'm asking you.

>>12641210
Wrong, try again.

>>12641251
OK schizo

>>12641524
Is that a protocol or is that genuine rage, caused by cognitive dissonance? Maybe you are impressed by some introductory text book into virology. I‘m not, to me it’s completely clear, what they are doing. Maybe, if you find the time you will actually read it, even to you it should be obvious how everything is a „may“, „suggest“ or „possible“. You are probably spooked out about all the „details“ they found out about proteins. But I can assure you almost nothing of that is conclusive. Even the Y2H systems, protein chips don’t tell you much. Most of the interactions are just computer programs guessing structure/possible interaction from guessing sequence motives. Mostly in supernatant, basically a soup of fetal bovine serum, antibiotics, abnormal cell lines and what ever stuff is in the specimen. In almost any other biochemistry related discipline, if you start with dumping all kinds of garbage into your probe, nobody will take any of this seriously.

The same crowd that thinks Hillary runs a pedo pizzeria in Washington. It’s a waste of time trying to talk reason to them.

>>12641777
>here look a buggyman
>please don‘t read the papers
>don’t question the methodology. It’s viral magic, the palque assay is never wrong!
>please don‘t discuss or think about any of this

>>12641646
See >>12641524

>>12638254
Late glasnost in the USSR. So basically, the State made it valid. Yep, let that sink in.

>>12638225
This is completely false.

>•Microwaves are absorbed by the first layer of water. They do not "heat from from the inside out."
No. Absorption varies by frequency, but 2.45 GHz is used in microwaves due to being in a high dielectric loss band of water, while still having good penetration depth. Look up the deilectric properties of tissue starting with HP Schwan.

>• The first symptom of microwave exposure is burning sensation in the skin and cataracts
False. Temperature sensing apparatus are all superficial. By the time you feel warmth you may already have major internal burns and your body's ability to disperse heat is becoming overwhelmed.

>•5G microwave amplitudes are so low that they cause no discernible biological effect
False. Too complex to bother getting into with you.

>•Signals in the microwave range are only 1% of the radio bands used by 5G
They're all in the microwave band, by common definition.

>>12641777
*The same crowd that thinks Epstein didn't kill himself

>>12641777
that's not actually what the pizzagate conspiracy says
for comparison, this is like describing the Trump's russian collusion as "Trump takes orders directly from putin"

>>12629916
The seasonal flu is just as bad. You just don't hear about it because it's not news material.

t.saw a ton of bad flu cases.

>>12629916
How would you explain to someone politely that COVID-19 isn't fucking Ebola?

>>12642845
Why are you lying? >>12630963

>>12642845
>t.saw a ton of bad flu cases.
In what capacity?

>>12642831
If the vodka bottle fits...

>>12642831
Are you pretending to not understand hyperbole or are you actually retarded?

>>12641777
>>12642288
I think it’s rather telling, how nobody wants to debate any of it. I don’t care about anything else other than truth. I bet somebody involved in virology has seen the post by now and yet there is no well argued case and a study, which proves me wrong. I‘m open to any criticism, in fact I‘ve talked to many people involved. I’ve yet to see a solid case.

>>12643411
Don’t pretend your posit wasn’t a silly derailment either way.

>>12643406
>everyone who won't wage new wars from the oval office is a russian puppet

If you have any questions about virology feel free to ask. I can give you both answers. If you want, I explain, what the textbooks tell and what most likely truly happens. I will probably know it and even, if I don’t know it, I will look into it. If you are involved in biochemistry, biostatistics, bioinformatics, genetics, or anything similarly; I will help you to understand any virology paper. Feel free to ask or discuss.

>>12629916
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=katr6NLQFwU

>>12644384
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkyL4NxJJcc

>>12629916
>Be in a country of 320+ million
>Millions die every year to stupid shit like cigarettes and eating too many burgers
>Burn down your entire economy and fuck over multiple generations with massive wealth transfers and inflation because a relative handful of boomers died and the remaining ones are willing to completely destroy the upward mobility of their own grandchildren just to cling to life for another decade at most.

>>12638696
better to spread it out because of the current lack of hospital capacity. i think that can be solved quite quickly but how are countries going to magically get more people who are qualified to be healthcare workers?

>>12645069
>current lack of hospital capacity
Uh huh.

>>12645094
i live in a literal third world country, mein neger. not that the USA is much better off.

I hate you people so fucking much

>>12643940
OK schizo

>>12645310
>>12642288
>>12641524
palilalia

It seems crazy, but virology is completely fraudulent. Let’s have an example.

https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/84/21/11210.full.pdf
>Madin-Darby canine kidney (MDCK) cells. The MDCK cells were cultured in Dulbecco’s modified Eagle medium (DMEM) supplemented with 10% fetal bovine serum, penicillin-streptomycin, and ampho- tericin B (Gibco). For the preparation of virus stock and titration, MDCK cells were cultured in DMEM supplemented with TPCK (tolylsulfonyl phenylalanyl chloromethyl ketone)-treated trypsin (1 g/ml).
>Pigs were anesthetized using Telazol (Fort Dodge). During each trial, six pigs were inoculated with SwIV OH07 (3.0 106 50% tissue culture infective doses [TCID50] [intranasally] and 3.0 106 TCID50 [intratracheally]).
These substances, plus whatever is in the „viral“ supernatant, are what they put into the verum group. Even, if there isn’t any virus this will almost certainly make any human or pig sick. What did they put into the placebo/control group?
>Six mock- infected pigs inoculated with DMEM were also included in the study
Just the cell culture medium and non of all the toxic stuff. It’s so ridiculous. I hope somebody can correct me and show me evidence of a serious study. But after having looked at dozens and dozens of studies, it just isn’t there.

>>12629916
You can't explain things to people who copy their opinions verbatim from a false authority

>>12645786
See >>12642288

>>12645069
>hospitals are overwhelmed in a third world country
That has nothing to do with Event 201 reloaded, it’s just normal.

>>12630995
If their only fault is fat it isn't so bad. It is never their only fault.

>>12629916
You cannot reason with stupidity. It's best to respond with "If you are hospitalized, I will masturbate to your suffering" the tard will get mad, so respond "covid isn't real or bad you said so yourself" and walk away

>>12646048
He will just dump all the countries with third lockdown and loads of covid corpses, so you will be BTFO.

>>12629916
long covid.

>>12646136
>long covid.
Humors phrase related to the potential IgG against syncytin-1 due to partial homology of the „S gene“ with ERVWE1?Or all the coming waves of positive qRT-PCR tests, due to oxidative stress induced by cationic lipids in the vaccine, that will lead to increased activity of sequence motives related to dealing with it. And some of these sequence motives being innocently aligned to from SARS-CoV-2 and CoV genome. See>>12640150.

>>12645310
Here have (you). For the shilling effort.

Jesus Christ, how many legitimate schizos are in this board?

>>12647112
Only >>12647112

>>12646654
See >>12645798

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7j8STZQWFi4

>>12631604
tough guys aren't so tough with a tube down their tracheas

>>12647553
That's what masks do with you.

>>12632714
I'd like to see the projected years-of-life-lost from people who are 80+ years old dying from covid.
I saw a fun post on fb of a nurse baby crying about how she had lost a patient who's wife of 70 years (assuming they got married at age 18) and he was im guessing 88+ yrs old. I mean cmon are we so decadent in the west that we forget that people dont live forever?

>>12633126
>Which elites?
remote workers/online companies are making incredible amounts as physical store can't (Can NOT) compete at the moment.

>>12647553
Seems like you are admitting it’s the mechanical ventilation, that’s killing the people.

>multiple large scale, lethal pandemics in recorded history
>the is fine
>when one happens in our lifetime it's suddenly fake because muh flu, muh government conspiracy, muh mask

>>12648727
If you were to sum all of the differences between average life expectancy for a country and the age of death of Covid patients, you'd likely come up with a negative number since so many of them are older than the average expected life expectancy for their country. You'd instead need to use average life expectancy for a person of that age, sex, race, and overall health condition, which is much more difficult to calculate. Even then, the numbers would be small. Plus the authoritarians would hate it because they couldn't whip everyone up into a panic like they have.

>>12649082
Everyone talks about deaths and death rate but I know quite a few people who've had Covid19 (whatever you want to call it) and some have lost taste and smell, some now have reduced lung function who used to be quite the amateur athletes. I'm fairly sure that the mortality rate is a poor comparison for it, imagine a virus with a 99.999% survival rate but it leaves everyone blind and sterile. That would be a serious problem wouldn't it? Unfortunately so far I have not seen a single study for the prevalence of long lasting effects from the virus.

>>12630064
I am circumcised and vaccinated and I'm a straight white conservative male, but I have a friend who is completely unvaccinated and uncircumcised and he's actually a flaming faggot who's open-borders and all that. I don't know what to believe anymore.

>>12629916
Why tell lies?

>>12629916
>Here have this nonsense about replicating parasitic particles, that we just can’t control and can’t prove to even exist.
>We will take your freedom away, even though there also is no evidence that helps.
>Be quiet don’t look at the ridiculous papers virology is putting out.
>And most importantly never demand a serious investigation into other potential causes.

>>12649293
A little data from the UK:
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55331166
https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/theprevalenceoflongcovidsymptomsandcovid19complications

The app from ZOE where people report their symptoms is a useful source, but it's hard to tell the difference between symptoms clearing up and users getting bored of entering "still feel fatigued" every week.

I've been fatigued since a maybe-it's-COVID infection a couple of weeks ago. I hope it's not forever! Haha. Hah.

>>12645102
Third world countries do much better than first world (for example India does 10 times better compared to US/Europe, Bangladesh and Pakistan 20 times better).

Like I have shown virology is a giant fraud there is no prove of infectious agents. But the toxins are real and there are “toxic” proteins, that can be produced. Here is what they do with “gain” of fiction experiments.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Daoyu15/status/1355828351139676160
Probably just interesting for the more scientifically minded, but that’s fine.

>>12629916

Just show them a patient with Covid that is... if any of them exist...

>>12650174
They will just show you somebody with respiratory issues and claim it’s COVID-19.

>>12649293
>loss of smell
That’s not rare.
Back to the basics bro look into the data on self fulfilling prophecies, nocebo effect, priming etc.

>>12650853
Yes, all just a coincidence. Schizo.

>>12647538
>schizo agrees with me
>see I'm not a schizo after all!

>>12650166
See >>12647155

>>12650996
>>12651009
>>12651017
I hope you get paid well.

>>12649445
This

>>12650853
im not going to look into schizo retard shit you dumb faggot

>>12643406

>>12651448
>not going to look at the data
Not surprising. You probably wouldn’t be able to read any paper.