/sci/ - Science & Math

ethics of any kind is unscientific
there is no morality particle

>>12633966
Shockley advocated paying low IQ people and other genetically inferior people to have them sterilized. Too bad he was perceived as racist so people ignored all of his ideas.
Compulsory sterilization is immoral but positively incentivized sterilization is supremely moral.

>>12633973
that will be one nice thing about living in a pod and eating bugs

>>12633966
Welfare should come with compulsory sterilisation
There, I just solved poverty in first world countries

>>12633971
In practice ethics is mostly not done scientifically but there's no good reason as to why it couldn't become scientific.
Your reasoning is also retarded.
>there is no life particle therefore biology is unscietific
>money is a social construct therefore economics cannot be a science
>there is no temperature particle therefore thermodynamics is not science
Being scientific is not about the subject you choose to study, but rather the attitude you take in studying it. It may be true that some subjects are less suited for scientific reasoning than others, but we won't know that unti we try.

>>12633973
So basically vaccination. You can keep your welfare and food stamps if you get the vaxx, which will sterilize.

>>12633986
I wanted to take it a step further and say if you take government handouts you should lose the right to vote for two years or something, but then the government gave mandatory handouts. Fucking bamboozled again.

>>12633987
>there's no good reason as to why it couldn't become scientific
there is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem

Okay, so say this is the preferred course of action, that we try and lure as much of the world's population into our human hives, where you sleep in a pod and own nothing but there are no rugrats running around because everyone got spayed. How do you organize who lives with who? We have the hard upper limit of 200 people per group, and a minimum of what, 5? 12? 30? Maybe organize meetings with other groups, competitive games, whatever you can think of. People are going to have to leave their pod cluster for different scenery, often, to avoid going crazy. Maybe a self contained city would be the best plan, duplicated as necessary for population density.

I'm trying to think of some dystopian scifi to compare to, what comes to mind is the indentured servants in Ready Player One that worked for IOI. I did just read that though, there are probably better examples.

A cruise ship might be a good place to start, they're pretty darn self contained, have lots of recreational areas, restaurants, etc. Also very high space and material efficiency.

Geology General. Share cool rocks/minerals and discuss new discoveries/theories.

GET THE SHOT, BIGOT

>>12633971
>there is no morality particle

>>12633966
>get sterilized or we'll shoot you
>nonviolent
yeah ok statist

>>12633966
Nothing is wrong with it. Even normies support eugenics without knowing it. Ask then why they thing incest is wrong. Tell them they're participating in passive eugenics.

The real reason eugenics is ceremoniously dismissed is, unironically, Hitler. He took passive eugenics and advanced it into active eugenics. Scientists are afraid that if we start taking eugenics seriously again, that some powerful country will start committing a genocide against a race.

>https://philpapers.org/archive/ANODEF.pdf

>>12634285
normies think incest is wrong because it is gross
there is no deeper meaning

>>12633966
You really want biden to decide who gets to reproduce?

>>12634285
> some powerful country will start committing a genocide against a race.
> Third world countries committing genocide is ok.
White logic.

>>12634330

>>12634330
>He favors imperialism
White logic. What exactly do you propose we do? Go marching in and control their country? We don't have any peace treaties with them, because they have no leaders capable of creating them. So, unironically, what do you propose we do?

you only need it for serious single gene/autosomal dominant diseases but anyway these are like 0.01 of the population. castrating a person just because they are lanky (Marfan syndrome) is mean.

>>12634369
>0.01
fuck 4chan for not allowing permilles. i meant a very low chance

>>12633966
Sterility by default. Basically, you need a pill to procreate. Trial it on pets first so it doesn't fuck up and then go wild on humans. Pill is shall issue, but everyone involved (gay couples must bring their surrogate, lesbians must bring the sperm provider or a sperm bank certificate) shall be present to read (or be read) a statement about the consequences of bearing and raising a child. Would eliminate unplanned pregnancies and most people would be too lazy anyway to bother. Also would seperate sex and reproduction.

>>12633989
> You can keep your welfare and food stamps
And this is why eugenics fails. Nobody can agree on the group to be sterilized, so the minorities / poor / immigrants usually get it.

Classic case of Not Me.

>>12634364
> what do you propose we do?
Stop posting thinly veiled racebait threads where you wank off to the fantasy that you control any sort of governmental policy would be a start.

It's violent no matter you try to word it.

>>12634529
What's violent about telling siblings not to have a child because the child is likely to have deformities?

>>12633973
>be brainlet
>already have 3 kids by age 18
>get money in exchange for getting the snip

Meanwhile smart people will keep not breeding because it is too expensive woth all those taxes

>>12633966
It can still be used to select for the wrong characteristics.
There are also forms of violence that have a eugenic effect that everyone is ok with (for example, the legal system).