/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12629360
The best you are going to get are correlation studies that show homosexuals are more likely to get molested than heterosexuals as children. This has several different confounding effects such as the fact that those who are homosexuals as adults tend to be androgynous as children which is considered attractive to pedophiles, they have a secret that can be easily used as blackmail to allow sexual abuse, and a large amount of homeless youths are homosexual which is a massive risk factor for being abused.

There is no causal link between childhood sexual abuse and adult sexuality like what you are searching for.

>>12629409
I know from personal, anecdotal experience that this is bullshit.

>>12629410
An individual may have an extreme level of dysfunction when it comes to processing their sexuality and unraveling damage dealt by sexual abuse but that can happen irrespective of age. Someone who is completely straight and is made to cum due to rape by another man from mechanical stimulation would probably have a lot of psychological issues with their sexuality. They are still straight but now have to deal with trauma and preoccupation with an unwanted homosexual experience that had some aspect of pleasure included in it. That isn't the same as someone getting molested and that making them gay as an adult when they would have otherwise been straight, the closest you could get would be someone who was bisexual developing an aversion to one sex due to a negative experience.

Here's some info on how sexual abuse can alter behavioural patterns of female children.
https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2F0022-006X.71.3.575

>>12629360
It's a similar effect to the proven result of childhood female abuse.
The trauma is too much for their ego so they unconsciously warp their ego to deal with the trauma and someways become their abuser.
For girls it means becoming prostitutes.
For guys it means becoming gay.

>>12629410
>I know from
>personal
>anecdotal experience
>that this is
>bullshit.

>>12629451
Yeah I was molested dumbass

>>12629483
>Self hating gay man can't accept he's gay
>He was born straight though if only he wasn't raped he would still be too
>Now he can rest easy knowing that deep down he's straight

>>12629495
I'm not gay you mentally challenged basedspammer, I never wanted to have sex with men until after I was molested, and even then I don't find them sexually attractive. the act of molestation created my homosexual behavior.

>>12629499
this gives you a boner anon
just admit it and move on

>>12629409
>>12629451
>>12629419
>There is no causal link between childhood sexual abuse and adult sexuality like what you are searching for.
You have to go back.
>>>/plebbit/

>>12629409
>those who are homosexuals as adults tend to be androgynous as children
Not even trolling dude. This is legitimately one of the stupidest things I've read on /sci/. All children look like children.
>>12629360
I can't give a good example that homosexuality is the cause of pedophilia, but I can explain why it's almost always men, which is likely half or more of the puzzle.
>Human females neotenous
>Male sexuality physical
>Certain class of males unable to distinguish neotenous females from children
>Pedos
This reflects why the victim's sex doesn't matter. The pedo just sees an attractive person and goes for them. This is a genetic predisposition that explains pedophilia.

HOWEVER. The other half of the puzzle is environmental. This is where those who were molested as children tend to become child molesters as adults. Since half of the children who are molested are boys (almost always by a male adult), they normalize homosexual behavior. Anyone who tells you sexuality is purely genetic is being dishonest.

As a matter of fact, I'm so confident in my hypothesis I'll make a prediction before looking up the data, and I leave it to (you) to falsify my hypothesis. If I'm right, we can use a Bayesian analysis to predict the overrepresentation of homos that were molested. Here's the numbers:
>Assume 100% of pedos are males
>Assume 50% of molested children are boys
>Assume on average, only 1% of male population is homosexual
>Assume 3% of population are pedos
This is enough to predict the overrepresentation rate of homos who have been molested as children. I'd do if myself but I'm too lazy, and I feel it wouldn't be right if I tried to falsify my own hypothesis. The rest is up to (you).

>>12629907
Then find something to show the causal link. I'm waiting.
>>12629908
Androgynous behaviour means that the child doesn't act like one would normally expect for their sex. Boys playing with dolls, girls playing with rocket ships, etc. It's been linked for awhile and your ignorance belies an ignorance of this subject as a whole.
https://books.google.com/books?id=mwtokhymV_4C&pg=PA53

You are making a lot of assumptions, particularly the assumption that women do not molest children which is false. Their conviction rate is much lower as socially a female molesting a male child isn't considered very bad. You are correct that pedophiles tend to be agnostic about the sex of the child they offend against though.

You state molestation normalizes homosexual behaviours but do not give a reason why that would make a child grow into a homosexual particularly in light of the paper I referenced earlier on how female children tend to react after molestation which has a high component of sexual aversion. You have still failed to provide a satisfactory answer or data to support the supposition that there is a causal link between molestation and being homosexual that is not a result of homosexual youths different life experience making them vulnerable.

You assume that pedophiles outnumber homosexuals by a 3:1 ratio which is literally pulled directly from your ass. In fact the entire last paragraph appears to be as such and lacks any form of textual support which is the purpose of this thread. It also lacks any controls for factors in differential life experience of gay youths and straight youths giving at best a correlate and not a causal link.

>>12629908
>Assume 3% of population are pedos
As far as I'm aware you pulled this out of your ass.

If it were true though, that would be the greatest meme of history. Poltards seething about the 1% of gays and 0.6% of trannies, meanwhile 3% of pedos are running around loose on the streets.

>>12629360
I think it may stem in part from severe insecurity and shaming. For example a man who believes he truly is fundamentally damaged and will never be good enough, may simply never bother to develop his interest in women, and it will remain unconscious. Instead he attaches his sexuality to himself and his friends if applicable, as it's the only (safe) manifestation he has available. I also assume this can be induced in adults, though it would require torture and brainwashing to break down their personality and make them feel as though connection with other people is fundamentally impossible on any level.. It think in such a case the man will also withdraw and regresss the child-like state (which is a proto-female, not truly androgynous or asexual), and connect his sexuality to himself.

Unfortunately homosexuality is now politicized and taboo, and most of the people studying it are homosexuals who want to prove that what they are is natural and totally normal.

>>12629409
My sexuality is fundamentally broken because of childhood sexual abuse

>>12630445
>>12630449
Ah I forgot to add info. Not all pedos go on to molest children. One more assumption:
>Assume that 10% of pedos will molest children.

>>12630486
I'm sorry man, have you seen a therapist to untangle it? It can be a lot to get through and can make it difficult for us to enjoy the things we want to be able to.

>>12630479
Pic rel

>>12630498
>Pic rel
Grow up. I mean that literally, you think like a child. I'm not your parent, I'm not your authority figure, you're not part of me. Do you understand what I'm saying to you? We're separate people. What does TRUST have to do with ANYTHING? I made my case, it's up to you to use your own reason to consider it and extract usful elements for yourself.

Alright, I've had enough communication for today. You are all subhuman and your development was arrested before the age of 2. That's the only way I can describe such vast swathes of people who don't realize that they're in control. That's what you just said to me in your fucking braindead post. "dude ur not my dad, ur not in control here, on what basis do you claim authority, who is giving you that power?? u don't have power over me, ur not my mom!!!!!!" So your mind draws in irrelevant shit like trust because you're a fucking CHILD.

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

>>12629360
Did you just imply that memes are substantial?

>>12630518
>I believe this
>why?
>WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY TO ME??

>>12630498
I went to one counsellor before and had a very bad experience with him. I was mostly troubled in my late teens though and my sexuality was bordering on a schizophrenic one during that time, thought I was everything for a while, transgender too. I did follow some self therapy guides on myself to find buried trauma which slowly helped. I don’t know, having your young developing brain mix sex with fear, crying and shame early on isn’t the best. My sexuality feels like nothing now as a young adult though.

>>12630521
What do you mean "why?" An entire lifetime of observation and thought, that's why, stupid fuck. You're in control of your own life. Do with it what you will.

>>12630518
Holy triggered batman. Is that a fucking copypasta? And all just from a light roast about sourcing.

>>12629409
>correlation studies that show homosexuals are more likely to get molested than heterosexuals as children
For all this talk of muh correlation is not causation you seem to be immediately assuming the sexuality of children as a basic premise of your argument

>>12630550
I'm sorry, that's awful. I'm glad you are able to assist yourself to some degree, but not all mental health people are the same and if you feel comfortable trying again at some point I would reccomend shopping around before opening up. Sometimes the best therapy is time, comfort, and acceptance from those that love us.

>>12630552
You made extremely firm claims based on what is essentially a step to the side from saying gay males all have electra complexes. There is a large amount of literature on the effects and psychologies of CSA that are easily accessible to anyone with an internet connection and some spare time. Personal observation and experience devoid of education on a subject is a dangerous intellectual path that leads to ideological black holes due to proximity to political beliefs such as flat earthers. Combined with your disproportionate reaction to being asked for anything to back up your claims it seems likely that this has already set in. Please seek to humble yourself.

https://wfsj-briefing.org/external/conspiracy-theory-disorder-understanding-why-people-believe/

>>12629428
THE GAY IS CONTAGIOUS??!!!!

>>12630570
Children that are homosexual have very different life experiences that straight ones irrespective of being molested or not. I'm inferring the sexuality of the child based on the adult as compared to assuming the sexuality of the adult is a deviation from the sexuality of the child.

>>12629360
abuse is only one way to turn people into homos
It`s not exclusive
t. heard of a girl who became gay because her bf betrayed her

>>12629409
>There is no causal link between childhood sexual abuse and adult sexuality like what you are searching for.
This is a load of shit. My sexuality was fundamentally changed by abuse during childhood. Connection between adult sexuality and childhood experiences has also been studied and found to be correlated since the earliest days of psychology with Freud.

>>12630605
The expression and internal framework of your sexuality can be affected by CSA. Therapy and careful work can help untangle these things to help make things easier. When I meant causal link between adult sexuality "like what [op] was searching for" I mean specifically being straight or gay as a result of CSA directly instead of someone being traumatized and having trouble with sexuality in general. There has been no evidence that you can induce an attraction, despite many many years of attempted conversion therapies.

As you stated yourself there are correlations but those are not causal.

>>12630651
>As you stated yourself there are correlations but those are not causal.
>Correlations can't be caustive
Not him, but you people are absolutely retarded.

>>12629360
/pol/ should be a living case fucking study

>>12630655
They can be, I'm not trying to discount that. But a correlation isn't a causal link by definition. It becomes one when a replicable and falsifiable hypothesis on the causal link is put forward and tested. Instead we have some weak correlations that are obscured heavily by differential social patterns and lack of good reporting data to even begin with. The "causal links" presented in this thread all amount to armchair opining of personal pet theories thrown together ad-hoc similar to how conversion councilors say that hating your mom makes you averse to female company and hating your dad makes you seek the company of men similar to him both making you gay.

>>12630651
I'm drawn to women who look like my abuser. Women of similar age with similar haircuts turn me on. This is an observable causal link between childhood abuse and adult sexuality. Many adult victims report similar experiences of things that remind them of the abuse arousing them. A boy primarily abused by a male could have this same mechanism result in him feeling greater attraction towards males than females.

>>12630706
Your post, while superficially rational, at its core is just denial. People do become their abuser, and people do morph themselves into something which either facilitates endless abuse, or demands it outright, convincing themselves it's what they want. That's just the way it works.

>>12630718
That's a fair point, but we haven't found a single case where someone could have their sexuality induced into a differential grouping which is the primary problem. Modulating attraction is possible, inducing is a different story, which is also different from a person ritualistically repeating actions due to guilt/obligatory feelings. I'm meaning sexuality as the voluntary and clear desire for a specific sex and not just reliving trauma due to a lack of coping mechanism or therapy.

What would be needed is a sample of children that had been the subject of CSA and then being able to sort the children such that they have similar levels of gnc and risk factors (housing insecurity, social pressure, gnc, etc.). Then typifying the CSA by whether it is something the child found "enjoyable" vs. painful/scary. From there you could try to make inferences about the sexuality differentials as a result of abuse. Although this is practically impossible to pull off without traumatizing a child intentionalul. Ironically if the German sexology research hadn't been burned we probably have better ideas on this because they were doing some super unethical stuff to kids and I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't monitoring this.

>>12630730
People *can* become their abuser and people *can* morph themselves. It's not an absolute or even a specific likelihood. Particularly as a person becoming an abuser doesn't mean becoming homosexual it means becoming a pedophile which is a different story.

It's not just the way it works, and we don't have data that supports your hypothesis independent of external factors that happen prior to CSA.

>>12630486
As horrible as that was my personal experience is that I was always fixated on other boys long before I knew what sexuality or even being gay was. I grew up in a moderately religious home where the topic of homosexuality was never addressed.

>>12629483
lmao this cunt sucked his uncles dirty dong pfffft hahahaha the absolute faggoglio
can't believe some of the people replying to me on this board are buttjockeys lmao

ITT: faggots denying that conditions such as pedophilia, homosexuality, necrophilia are the same kind of disease lol

>>12629499
Cope more faggot, you're a fruit and always have been, and always will be.

>>12630589
I'm sorry but if you start munching rug because your boyfriend dumped you, you were always just looking for an excuse.

>>12631581
you don't know just how severely molestation will fuck someone up because you weren't molested.

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