/sci/ - Science & Math

HOPL

>>12628674
What'll we see launch first, SLS or JUST?

>>12628672
All of this has been foretold

>He think BO will reach orbit in {insert year}

What's with the new heatshield on Snine?

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNasa/status/1353888494452498434/photo/1

>>12628697
Really just added for aesthetics.

>>12628691
Didnt know von braun wrote fiction

>>12628706
He didn't.

>>12628697
Been there for a while, presumably to see how they fair during flight

>>12628672
arooo! no so fast there fritz!

>>12628662
>my meme became the thread OP image after all this time
is this fatherly pride

>>12628643
Reading all this made me want a game that's like a mix of Factorio and Surviving Mars

When a spacecraft is sailing around the solar system, they burn fuel for course corrections and to be in the right place for gravity boosts and such.
Is this "fuel" just releasing pressurized gasses or is it actual combustion like a rocket? I know the voyager crafts use ion drives, but I cant image those are responsive enough for course corrections. Anyone know?
Pic entirely unrelated.

>>12628733
based, well deserved champ.

>>12628697
SNIX

>>12628739
lots of them are a monoprop over a heated catalyst. hypergols are a common alternative

>>12628739
usually combustion
the voyagers do/did not use ion drives

>>12628662

>>12628748
thanks
>>12628750
Not sure why I thought that. But thanks.
I guess thinking about it more pressurized gas would give inconsistent thrust over time as pressure decreased.

>>12628762
hahah

>>12628763
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_gas_thruster
you aren't really wrong, they are used in lots of places. Are the falcon 9 booster rcs cold gas?

>>12628762
/sfg/ version

>>12628792
Change "lust provoking" to "vomit-inducing".

>>12628775
The wealthier Elon gets the more government is going to be a problem as they see that not only is he serious about Mars but that he's actually capable of it. Without Elon, Mars isn't just a zone completely out of their dominion, but it's Mount Olympus to them, with carte blanche to reign down righteous fury upon them from the sky which they have absolutely no ability to fight back against. That is a non-option for them. They will do everything within their capability to prevent that from happening. They will kill putting men on Mars before the idea can leave the womb of Elon's mind. Elon effectively having the MIC around his finger with what Starship offers will only work for him so long as he plays ball within the set field. His goals are already outside of that, making that a non-option for Elon.
That being said, if Elon decided to start a pmc for totally inconspicuous purposes I'd probably join it.

>>12628795
>>>/lgbt/

>>12628691
>universal suffrage destroys the west
>hey let’s implement the worst form of government ever on mars too lol

>>12628801
>you must like furshit or you're gay
>>>/trash/ where you belong.

>takes an RL10 and elongates it
heh rien de personnel gamin

>>12628806
Not furry in general, just Krystal. Everyone is furry for her, except for fags.

>>12628813
I bet you're still clueless why everyone else hates your kind.

ScrubX

>>12628817
Not everyone. Just seething incels and jealous losers like you.

>>12628813
Newsflash: nobody likes that shit excepts maybe you and one other anon.

>>12628796
Doesn't make sense regarding China's space and Mars ambitions, you'd think the US G would want to set itself up first on Mars ostensibly in cooperation with SpaceX and Elon just to secure their piece of the Mars pie

>>12628817
He's not clueless, just in denial.
>"If I like this dog's face on a human body covered in fur, everyone else must right? If not they must be gay"
Sure anon, you got us. Hey do me a favor and step in here for just a second, this won't take long.

>>12628813
Yes Inquisitor this one right here

>>12628825
Maybe. Hopefully I'm just overly paranoid.

>>12628826

>>12628824
BASED
I ONLY FAP TO ROCKET ENGINES

>>12628825
You're fucking retarded my man.

>>12628834
Nice rebuttal, you think the USA is just gonna let China claim Mars?

>>12628837
Not him but yes, I think that.

>>12628840
Well then you are lost!

>>12628837
The US governments seems pretty happy to let them control almost all manufacturing, buy up property, land and businesses stateside en masse, infiltrate CCP operatives at all levels, etc... So yeah that's pretty much exactly what I think.

>>12628827
That's not what I meant. One might think someone else is secretly harboring attraction to the same things but when he repeatedly fails to recognize why the vast majority of people react negatively to his behavior for decades this must be a mental illness case.

>>12628837
>Things the future government will care about

>Chinks send half a dozen bugmen to Mars as spam in a can

vs

>White man sets up the biggest white flight operation conceivable, developing massive military and technological superiority. The precursor to a whole planet telling the entirety of established earth governments to fuck off.

yeah I wonder which one they will be more concerned about

>>12628842
Don't get me wrong, there are loads of people in the government who will flip shit the second Chinese boots touch the Moon. Especially the DoD and air/space force. But all the "main" people (like, I'm thinking Biden and his crew as an example) will just congratulate them and cut funding for Artemis and stuff.

>>12628852
>>telling the entirety of established earth governments to fuck off.
That's not a problem whatsoever. Neutral relationships between two planets is a non-issue. The problem arises when there is a chance that a violent nutjob might take Elon's place.

>>12628861
>btw we are establishing our own state owned bank

Observe the "neutral" relationships of the nations around the globe who don't have a privately owned central bank.

is anyone working on some sort of effort to kick start a civilization? Like a set of instructions / blueprints and equipment that can be used on a dead rock to get to a technology level sufficient to send off another civilization "package"

What spess companies are worth investing in?

>>12628873
Starlink when it spins off as an IPO
Everything else is stock market manipulation crap

>>12628870
As long as the banking systems will stay separate (and they will if Mars makes the kind backed with real value), it's a non-issue again. Trade would just happen on a strictly government-controlled level only, from this side. And we'll have some kind of major changes in this regard eventually anyway.

>>12628873
Starlink. That's it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M
There's so much mexican smoke out there you can hardly see the ship

>>12628883
Is that seriously all because some Mexicans burned shit?

>>12628880
>and they will if Mars makes the kind backed with real value

Backing your currency with an actually tangible asset such as labour or gold is the fastest way to get US boots on your soil fucking your shit up. Get a fucking reality check you dumb cunt, any entity who tries to break away from the international centralised banking system is smashed with sanctions and/or war.

>>12628883
some anons were joking about this delaying shit earlier, but now I'm starting to think that this actually will delay the flight

>>12628897
It's not feasible when the soil is several dozen million kilometres away. With nothing but radiation in-between. Mars economy would only pose threat to USA's economy if USA actively tries to participate in theirs.

>>12628897
>US Space Force invades Mars to liberate Elon's oppressed colonists, coverage of Operation Nobody Escapes provided by CNN

>>12628902
>We are applying unilateral sanctions to Mars now, hope you can survive without any more supplies

>>12628738
Ad Astra is more or less that

>>12628883
>ULA smokers activated

>>12628907
Hopefully Mars achieves full self-sufficiency before that. Although it's unlikely either way as the threat of orbital bombardment would make everyone here concerned anyway so best case scenario is pretty much endless Cold War just in space.

>>12628894
F

But when the world needed him most, he vanished.

people look so small next to this thing

>>12628923

>>12628933
God everything about this photo is so alien. Horizon looks fake. Tech looks like a joke because it's so crude but so badass. Astronaut looks absolutely fake. I don't think it helps that he's presumably jumping and shadows are fucky on the Moon. So badass that we went there. Shame we haven't been back.

>>12628927
We stare at photos of this thing every day now. I think we take for granted just how much we owe Musk. Name one other person in the world who would build this type of rocket

Dumb question but, if an Orion-style nuclear pulse ship was in the process of acceleration, would it be in communication with ground control or in blackout due to EMPs caused by the bomblets? I feel like this should be obvious to me but I'm drawing a blank because I don't know how radios work.

>>12628923
punished jim

Nothing wrong in wanting to nut in Krystals white fortune cookie.

>hop canceled
>go to sleep
>wake up
>see that hop canceled for tomorrow too
get your shit together spacex

>>12628988
Bullshit.

Broke: Ares I-X
Woke: Liberty

>>12628992
Mary hasn't got an evac order

>>12628988
What do you mean anon
please cite

>>12628995
>didn't get an evac order in the middle of the night for something that won't be happening until past noon

>>12628999
Kek

>>12628987
based

>>12628951
Nuclear explosions don't produce EMPs in a vacuum since a nuclear EMP is caused by either ionizing the air or interactions with the earths magnetic field. Neither of which will be present on an orion ship.

>>12629014
Thank you for your brainlet-breakdown anon, this now makes sense to me and I appreciate your post.

>>12628697
Wow, that looks weird

>>12628687
nothing. biden is going to either kill it or extend its development another ten years for job works.

>>12628923
Ad astra Jim.

>>12629017
No problem

>>12628995
what's up with that anyways, how are there still people left, shouldn't they have been eminent domain'd out of there by now so that evac orders are no longer a thing?

>>12628927
now it puts that starship interior concept video to scale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhpvTJQBkrg&feature=emb_logo

>>12628871
What do you think *Minecraft* is? Hello.

>>12628873
>>12628879
SRAC/Momentus isn't manipulated crap, just very early stage while the entire stock market's bubbly as fuck.

>>12628873
MAXR's Legion constellation is cool

>>12629069
Based

>>12628940
That's John Forever Young, and his iconic jump salute, for you.

>>12629098
I didn't realize he was fucking jumping. God what a based man. True hero, master of spaceflight desu

>>12628945
And no one else would allow an entire industry to emerge over reporting this thing, either. Musk ain't perfect but he's much better than most other hyper-wealthy shitheads.

>>12629108

>>12629098
The red stripes are so aesthetic

>>12629115
this is beautiful

>>12629123
The moon often is, fren

>>12628992
>>12628995
>>12628999
the assumption is that villagers will get an evac notice some time before the actual evac. This is how it worked last time, though spacex can be mercurial so everything is subject to change.

Personally I'm not going to get my hopes up unnecessarily. I'll believe that the hop is imminent when either elon tweets, spacex sets up a livestream/updates their website, or someone gets some definitive info.

I kinda wonder if all this fog/smog/whatever the fuck it is is a problem for the landing. Does spacex use visual targeting or just GPS positioning or what for their landings? If it's visual they may be waiting for it to clear. I mean fuck nerdle cam has looked like shit all day.

>>12629137
can't see shit captain

>>12629137
what does this mean

>>12629137
>Does spacex use visual targeting or just GPS positioning or what for their landings?
Whatever it is now, I bet they'll switch to as wide a mix of sensors as possible soon. Fog might prevent us autists from getting pretty pictures that double as viral marketing and whatnot, but outright being unable to land or maybe even launch due to shitty weather for something made mostly out of steel is unacceptable.

>>12629142
The image? Apparently this person lives in boca village and got a text from a spacex rep. Take with a grain of salt, obviously.

What was the last space blockbuster kino?
I can’t even remember anymore.

>>12629108
And based Cernan paid him a homage the very next mission, shame it was the last one.

>>12629172
I dunno, First Man? I didn't see it.

>>12628994
how the fuck did ares 1 and this abortion ever get approved in any form?

>>12629208
Hahah I have no clue. The promise of being cheap I guess?

>>12629181
I heard that movie was kind of shit. I know the director cropped out every American flag he could and in interviews would put a lot of words in Neil's mouth about "Thinking about himself as an Earth hero, not an American hero."

>>12629172
Was Ad Asta any good?

>>12629137
Wind is blowing towards mexico today so most of the smoke should be gone

>>12629256
Ad Astra was terrible

>>12629056
elon doesnt care bx by the time the start launching superheavies boca chica village will be leveled

So much for
>starship wont be a ballon tank
have you seen SN7.2? With those thin, wrinkly welds it looks practically deflated.

>>12629297
Yeah the whole program is a mess and it isn't going to orbit any time soon. SLS unironically will win

>>12629300
(and that's a good thing)

>>12628796
nah. the us military isn't stupid and realises they're getting a massive unmatched advantage for free. it will be allowed.

>>12628733
>>12628662
Sent to several friends who are engineers and eva fans, all of them loved it. Good meme anon

>>12629256
>Was Ad Asta any good?
terrible. and i have a high pain threshold for shit scifi.

LMAO no one here told me Pelosi bought Tesla stock. Elon's gonna be fine the next 4 years. Spaceflight funding secured bros, feels good to be back

>>12629332
People that high up the chain shouldn't be able to buy stocks imo, but I'm also a brainlet who has no clue how the stock market works so. Disregard that if it's a retarded take

>>12629328
Th-that's a nice lookin dome

>>12629339
>the first time you see the STACC

>>12629337
libs are whining that it should be illegal for politicians to trade stocks. Pelosi bought bc it was added to S&P 500. Doesnt take a genius to know it's a good buy. All those politicians who sold before covid hit were also not genius'. It's a no fucking brainer bc we already SAW the impact it was having in China. so you are a brainlet, but you will learn

>>12629256
>Was Ad Astra any good?
Boring and pretentious story, atrocious science written presumably by a 5 yo kid.
Some visuals are ok, that's it.

what are your favourite geological features in the solar system?

>>12629430
Lava tubes

>>12629430
Impossible question to answer. Earth is by far the craziest planet in our solar system in terms of the sheer amount of processes and geochemical and physical interactions. And Venus’ surface is so shrouded that we might not ever understand what’s going on down there. Mars is interesting but novel at best. I think the icy worlds are really interesting, particularly Titan.

>>12628662
FIRST for SLS.

>>12629444
Will never fly.

>>12629430
titanean dune fields

>>12628837
Yes and many will see it as good thing because it's not being claimed by imperialistic totalitarian fascists who destroy the environment.

I wish I was joking.

>>12629256
First Man is fantastic, you're doing yourself a disservice not seeing it. I don't get where the 'It was deliberately unpatriotic!' stuff came from, it's very openly proud about the program as an American achievement. They pretty explicitly shit on the 'whitey on the moon' anti-USA angle on the landings, so I figure the interviews and early 'controversy' was basically smokescreen to get a "Being Proud of White Men's Achievements" film past media in the current climate.

My biggest problem with it is that it plays up how much of an abrasive dickhead Buzz is to act as a better character foil to Neil, but it's no dealbreaker.

>>12629430
Nowhere else has the groovy hydrothermal and supergene processes that occur on earth so it'll have to be earth's ore deposits. Outside urf though I'd have to say the entirety of Io.
>t. hydrothermal geochemist

>>12629534
Maybe Mars has something interesting in that regard

>>12629430
I don't know, because there are too many things to consider when selecting for favorite one. The most interesting geological feature I learned about is cave systems formed by tree trunks that were covered by lava and burned away. For example Funatsu Tanai Lava Tree Mold near Mt. Fuji or similar systems on Hawaii. Really cool.

https://allabout-japan.com/en/article/6011/

>>12629540
There may be some small radiogenically-driven hydrothermal systems like Earth's Paralana Hotsprings but otherwise I don't think there have been active hydrothermal systems on Mars for quite some time (at least hundreds of millions of years). Furthermore a lot of the mineral diversity of Earth comes from the fact that it has an oxygen rich atmosphere - this means there are a lot of comparatively (relative to the rest of the solar system) exotic minerals that can form as a result. A good example is uranium which, under reducing conditions, doesn't form much beyond uraninite and pichblende - both boring dark minerals - but in an oxidising environment it can form all manner of colourful and pretty minerals like the Cuprosklodowskite I posted prior and the Torbenite in pic-related.
I do know that there has been a little work in determining the kinds of ore deposits that might be on Mars, the most interesting of which would contain shiny metal-sulfides, which are cool but restricted in mineralic diversity i.e probably little more than chalcopyrite, galena pyrite, nickeline and others. On earth, such deposits may be subjected to weathering which results in all kinds of pretty minerals like malachite, azurite, bornite, chrysocolla and dozens of others.

>>12629430
Triton getting in its orbit. Straight up witchcraft for a moon that big to be in a retrograde orbit.

>>12629554
>>12629556
i love this general

>>12628738
surviving mars music is kino
it's the only album where every song is the best song

>>12629527
bro from a hard sci-fi perspective first man sucks ass. I wanted to see glorious apollo & gemini porn in 4k but all i got was a loser incarnation of Neil Armstrong sulking over his daughter. There were like 3 space scenes in the whole movie.

There is something if your Apollo 11 section takes up only ~20mins of your NEIL ARMSTRONG MOVIE.

>>12629618
*something wrong

>>12629618
First Man is an X15 movie.

>>12628649
>Is there some way to remove the government?
I guess you could try voting for a third party in 2022 hahaha holy shit i'm just kidding but can you imagine some lolbert cuck talking this way
Everything is fucked

>>12629137
Hop "tomorrow," pending FAA approval.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1354015481217359878

>>12629642
Either that or he's just hoping to receive FAA approval for a future flight tomorrow, which would happen at a later date.

>faa
>play hardball with experimental flying grain silos
>turn a blind eye to 737max

>>12628894
Sometimes the smoke goes far enough to smog up San Antonio. And then we get dinged for the pollution (especially the ozone levels).

https://twitter.com/livedoornews/status/1354018786945327104
Now this, I was not prepared to read. Interstellar Technologies, Japan's first private space company, get's some interesting funding. kek

>>12629717
>this timeline

>>12629137
Aren't all of these people bought out by now? What are they still doing there?

>>12629717

to coom where no man has coomed before

>>12629342
They are starting to stack BeNis 1 now aren't they.

>>12629717
Can't read japanese, translation?

>>12629717
Real man's hobby. Tenga. They will take you to the heavens.

>>12628672
I like how the look of rockets has come full circle and now we are looking forward to something right out of the 50s landing on Mars.

>>12628803
I suppose him of all people writing that Mars should be ruled by a dictatorship who’s title is Elon might throw out a little to much shade given the nation he was working for at the time and who he used to work for.

>>12629654
>>12629642
I don’t even know anymore. It’ll fly when it flies I guess.

>>12629668
Gonna be embarrassing when that raving gulf of shit crashes again

>>12628861
Well his sons will take over when he is gone so let’s see how well Elon raises them.

>>12628915
Martian society will have already moved underground by this stage for radiation protection, but it’s not like musk wouldn’t have thousands of ships of his own by this stage.

>>12629773
Tenga (male masturbatory aid) is sponsoring a MOMO launch
MOMO is a Japanese sounding rocket that keeps blowing up, the launches are always top entertainment

>wind speeds at the 9km altitude are expected to be 80mph today
well no flight today either then

>>12629876
Well yeah.>>12629642

>>12628825
Elon Musk is a Manchurian industrialist. When the time is right, his true programming will be turned on and Mars will belong to South Africa.

>>12629903
The south africa he left behind is gone. What is he gonna do, hand over the mars colony to suidlanders or something?

>>12629906
This, apartheid south africa was on it's way to become a economic superpower back in the 80's, so the US&other western nations&mossad decided to destroy them.
The current south africa cant run itself, let alone a colony on mars.

>>12628808
in what universe are RL-10 and Vinci even remotely similar?

>>12629876
That's nothing by itself, what's actually dangerous is significant wind shear (i.e. sharp variation with altitude)

>>12629981

>>12629960
>&mossad
I'm 90% sure you are just memeing , but Israel and South Africans were pretty much to only mutual allies for the longest time

>>12629960
South Africa had nukes, which they decommissioned before handing over the government to the (((ANC))). Maybe in a different timeline they could’ve made some form of an Orion drive.

>>12629642
That tweet was posted at 2:37 PT or 4:37 CT, right? So when he says "tomorrow" does he mean the 26th or the 27th?

Also pic related doesn't look very promising, can't see shit.

>>12628674
"overtime" on the invoices

>>12629996
I should add, 2:37am PT / 4:37am CT

>>12628662
Trips and SN9 explodes on the pad

>>12628915
Does Mars have an advantage over Earth in a war given that Mars has proverbial higher ground in the Sun's gravity well? Obviously Earth would for a very long time have a huge edge in industrial production capabilities, which probably would tilt things overall in Earth's favor.

>>12629992
There is some compelling proof that nelson mandela and the men in his TERRORIST faction has mossad training.
Google "nelson mandela mossad training"
But i'm going to stop here because i'm derailing the thread.

>>12630000
fuckfuckfuckfuck

>>12628923
NASA has never had a permanent Administrator that is female. There have been a few that were Acting Administrator or Deputy Administrator but never the top job without reservation. It's time that NASA shows the world that women are important too by asking Biden to appoint a woman to head the space agency.

>>12630000
those aint trips

>>12629115
It must be weird to be one of only twelve people who have been on the Moon and come back home to deal with mundane crap like paying the water bill and mowing the lawn (or even paying someone to mow the lawn).

So can we confirm that SN9 hop isn't happening today?

>>12630007
Most Martian housing, industry and infrastructure will be underground to protect it from radiation so orbital bombings will be difficult or ineffective and they won’t get Belgraded.

Mars has a lower gravity and not much of an atmosphere so launching rockets into orbit will be much easier and cheaper than on earth allowing for a large fleet to be manufactured more easily.

Mars is a wasteland so building massive amounts of industry and mining would be fine without having to fear pollution or damaging the health of locals.

Mars only has a window to get there every 2 years so any earth fleets or attacks could be known long before they even get there and where they will come from.

>>12629992
Israel has never been a reliable ally to anyone.

Why doesn't SpaceX hire Jim Bridenstein?

>>12630073
Then why are repubs so obsessed with sucking thier dicks?
>inb4 muh greatest ally

>>12630074
SpaceX isn't in Oklohoma

>>12630077
>>12630073
please stop.

>>12630074
Working for some capital fund Acorn something.

>>12630074
>Bridenstein

>>12630074
To do what?

>>12630072
Mars is going to be a forge world anyway, terraforming will never hapen because it will be many times easier to make o'neill cylinders.
And orbital elevators on the moon and mars are also much easier so bringing goods up from the surface to orbital shipyards will be piss easy too compared to making things on and around earth.
It's all in the distant future for now, but once we get the initial infrastructure up and running on mars things will kick in higher gear.

>>12629642

>>12630094
ugh

>Commander Michael López-Alegría
>Mission Pilot Larry Connor
>Mission Specialist Mark Pathy
>Mission Specialist Eytan Stibbe
https://twitter.com/Axiom_Space/status/1354068756587302913
https://www.axiomspace.com/ax1

>>12629960
The fall of the soviet union was ironically, the worst thing for South Africa

>>12630112
Flight schedule for January 2022
https://twitter.com/Axiom_Space/status/1354070470778384385

>>12630112
How old is Larry Connor?

>>12630128
>At 71 years old, Connor will become the second oldest person to fly into space (only surpassed by the late John Glenn, who made his second spaceflight at the age of 77)

>8 day mission
>Former NASA astronaut Peggy Whitson will serve as Ax-1’s backup commander,
>John Shoffner of Knoxville, Tenn. is the backup mission pilot

"Biden orders government agencies to Buy American"
https://mailchi.mp/spacenews/sn-military-space-starfleet-amendment-sparks-op-ed-feud-ula-investigates-delta-4-heavy-abort-sda-picks-satellite-providers-175426

So it's good time to ban foreign rocket engines?

$55 million per person
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/26/private-space-flight-axiom/

A couple of comments stuck out to me that /sfg/ knows about all too well:
>“There will definitely be some resistance,” said López-Alegría, who spent 20 years as a NASA astronaut..”
>That was his experience when in 2006, he flew on the Soyuz with Anousheh Ansari, who reportedly paid about $20 million for the experience...
>“I think the hesitancy was natural when you...spend your whole career studying to want to be an astronaut, and then somebody kind of cuts the line...It was a little hard to swallow.”

>“There are a lot of issues — adversity, and in some regards, crises, here, not only in the U.S., but worldwide,” Connor said. “And those absolutely need to be a priority. But we cannot forget about the future. We cannot forget about having long-term visions … And hopefully this mission and the research we’re going to do is going to be one small step on that journey.”

>>12630161
Imagine spending 55 million for orbital with crew dragon when you could probably do orbital with starship for a couple hundred thousand in ten years years

>>12630165
These people might not be alive in 10 years.

>>12630165
fuck why did i type years twice
>>12630167
you're not wrong

>>12630167
Much better chance than if they were on Starliner though

>>12630102
Will it ever stop being relevant?

>>12630197
no

>>12628662
Alright guys hear me out
>BN1 is completed and passes its cryo test
>BN1 is outfitted with two Raptors and static fires twice
>BN1 completes a 150 meter hop with its two Raptors. It’s retired after landing.
>BN2 is given three Raptors at first, and it validates the thrust puck of the Superheavy.
>BN2 is given its full complement of 7 Raptors for the “inner circle” of its thrust puck.
>Lots of issues with static fires but it works eventually.
>BN2 also does a 150 meter hop, but with 3 Raptors firing. The other 4 Raptors gimbal as a test, but don’t actually fire.
>BN2 is retired.
>BN3 is given its initial 7 Raptors right off the bay, and static fires them.
>The 21 remaining Raptors are added at the launch site.
>BN3 does a static fire test with the “inner circle” of Raptors. It then fires again but with two of the “outer 21” Raptors.
>A final static fire test sees BN3 filled to the brim and firing all 28 Raptors at once while held to the pad.
>BN3 is refurbished and is given a Starship on top.
>BN3 and Starship launch to orbit. BN3 does its job well but fails during landing
Thoughts?

>>12630148
it's a little hilarious that Trump and Biden have basically the same exact policy goals except for a handful of pointless idpol theater differences

>>12630256


>At a White House news conference Biden criticized the Trump administration for not enforcing Buy American rules and allowing billions of dollars worth of contracts to be awarded to foreign suppliers. “The previous administration didn’t take this seriously,” Biden said. “They promised Buy American and then issued waivers and found loopholes.”

wtf no more

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>>12630275
The samurai fears the jew

>>12630268
ok, Trump turned out to be a corporate ghoul just as Biden will turn out to be, but that doesn't change their stated policy goals are virtually the same

>>12630275
>Creates mini SLS
Oops hehehe....Japan numba wan

>>12630243
You're delusional if you think it will only take 3 generations of booster prototypes to reach orbit

>>12630275
Maybe it has Nippon on the other side?

>>12630117
>The fall of the soviet union was ironically, the worst thing for South Africa
Apartheid South Africa was already imploding from within during the 1980’s just like the Soviet Union.

>THE UGLY BARGAIN BEHIND NASA’S SLS ROCKET
https://www.supercluster.com/editorial/the-ugly-bargain-behind-nasas-sls-rocket/

>>12630243
I think BN2 will do a higher altitude hop, up to 20 kilometers.
>>12630243
>BN3 does its job well but fails during landing
Doubt it. SpaceX has so much experience with falcon 9 landing, and spacex will have experience with something similar to the pressurization system of superheavy from starship landing.

>>12630339
>The White House and Congress were thus agreed. And then the Senate went to Crazytown, legislating a litany of rocket requirements so specific that you’d think the entire chamber had completed coursework on propulsion engineering. They wanted a rocket capable of lifting 70 to 100 tons of mass into low-Earth orbit, and 130 when married to an integrated upper stage. They wanted liquid fuel engines and solid rocket motor engines. They wanted Ares I and space shuttle technology reused wherever possible. And they wanted it flying by December 31, 2016.

kek

>>12630318
because of neoliberal countries refusing to aid south africa and embargoing it, combined with the soviet union funding terrorists, yeah. but once the soviet union fell apartheid lost all remaining support in the west because the west didn't need strong right wing allies against the soviet union anymore

>>12630352
>because of neoliberal countries refusing to aid south africa and embargoing it,
The US only imposed sanctions on South Africa in late 1986 while Britain,France,Japan and Israel refused to impose any. Germany even kept its car manufacturing factories in South Africa.
Things started going pear shape inside South Africa after the police massacred school kids in Soweto in 1976 and beat to death Anti-Apartheid icon Steve Biko inside a prison cell in 1977. What followed was mass rolling street demonstrations.

>>12630112
And what are they supposed to do on the ISS?

What are the chances of SN9 hop happening today?

>>12630368
And the logical solution for the SA government was to give them total control over themselves?

I have no idea why they didn’t just form a Volkstaat by breaking off a section of land just for whites and giving the rest to the nogs. What they were thinking I will never know.

>>12630386
0%

>>12630386
It's not 0% so it might as well a 100

Where is newsreader??

>>12630243
Completely delusional too optimistic timeline

>>12630386
50%

>>12630318
Yeah, if you believe the rewritten history.

Weather is dogshit no way it's hopping today

>>12630432
Have they tested the flaps yet?

>>12630432
the fog is slowly decreasing

All this Mexishit smoke wouldn't have been an issue if only a certain someone had built a wall he promised.

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>>12630432
Does weather affect re-entry
if they want this to be as common as they say don't they need to adapt to weather ?

>>12630459
My girlfriend came out as Pagan yesterday wtf

>>12630395
>And the logical solution for the SA government was to give them total control over themselves?
The outcome of the negotiations was that there would be a power sharing government for a certain amount of time,the economy remained largely in white hands along with guarantees that the new government would honor pensions of white civil servants and representation in parliament.

>I have no idea why they didn’t just form a Volkstaat by breaking off a section of land just for whites and giving the rest to the nogs
It wasn’t practical since blacks and other ethnic groups didn’t live that far from the white suburbs.
The Johannesburg area is where the gold and uranium mines are situated and down on the coast is the ports and tourism sector.
US President George H Bush offered to send his Secretary of State to South Africa with a plan to Balkanize the country when negotiations between the ANC and Apartheid government had stalled.That proposal was rejected out of hand by both political parties for the reasons stated above.

>>12630426
>Yeah, if you believe the rewritten history
Why else would the Apartheid government meet secretly with ANC leaders living in exile in Zambia during the early 1980’s if violence wasn’t out of control and sanctions wasn’t even imposed yet?

>>12630497
>hey, ANC radicals, can you please call off the terrorists who are bombing our nation in your name???

>>12630458
Part of it got done eventually, though I fully expect new admin to tear it down out of pure spite.
>"Oh fug why is MS13 here now?"
>USA, 2023

guys... they're popping SN7.2 right now it seems... it's venting!

>>12630557
>SN7.2 pops
>Debris takes out SN9

>>12630522
>hey, ANC radicals, can you please call off the terrorists who are bombing our nation in your name???
To the majority of South Africans those ANC radicals were freedom fighting taking on the authoritarian Apartheid regime.

>>12630558
Didn't expect they'd test it before hop for this reason

>>12630557

>>12630561
>>12630558
it wouldn't do shit to sn9, look at all the other test tanks they popped

>>12629229
>ivan.png
kek

look

How will Bezos recover?

>>12630581
Bezos has a fart fetish lol

>>12630581
100% /sfg/ poster. probably (you).

>SN7.2 bop soon
>anons are shitposting about farts and (you)s
Focus you faggots

Every camera besides Launch Pad is useless today.

>>12630596

SO QUIRKY!
>>12630581
link?

>>12630600
A proud lineage of busted tanks.

>>12630560
God your naive.
These ANC "freedom fighters" sure have made south africa a better place, literacy is down, murder is up, multinationals are above the law, and china is buying them out.
Lets not forget 2/3 of the nation doesnt pay it's taxes, and the 1/3 is mostly made up by white south africans keeping the nation from totaly collapsing.

>>12630603
The Orbit is parody

>>12630626
i know but i wouldn't be surprised if something like that actually happened

>>12630000
Checked

>>12630074
Why would they?

>>12630627

i want to lick the tank and have my tongue get stuck to it

Why does SpaceX have trouble with landing the Falcon Heavy’s Center Core?

>>12630661
That's like 3mm of steel between the air and close to absolute zero oxygen, your tongue would fall off.

>>12630627
Lmao. Actually a good point. Bet Amazon is funding some FUD.

>>12629642
...so does a TFR not necessarily mean that they’ve gotten FAA approval? How the fuck does this shit work?

>>12630663
It reaches the highest speed so it overheats/can't control

>>12630666
ok i want to lick it

>>12630666
Satan please

FUCK

FOG

>>12630666
>close to absolute zero oxygen
54.36 K

>>12630677
fuk urf too

>>12630666
>close to absolute zero oxygen
let's not exaggerate... it's "only" -180°C

pop when?

>>12630680
>>12630684
Closer to absolute zero than any temperature you encounter even on the coldest winters.

>>12630682
Jej

>>12630688
The coldest winter temperatures in the north are closer to absolute zero than any I experience, therefore north dakota is close to absolute zero

>>12630688
50 to 90 K is not "close" unless you are thinking of smelters
its ok to be wrong anon

>>12630613
>These ANC "freedom fighters" sure have made south africa a better place
If they weren’t freedom fighters then what were they then?You would know doubt call whites freedom fighters if the roles were reversed.
And what was the alternative to the negotiated settlement?Fight your way out like Rhodesia only to hand over power to a hardliner like Mugabe and have no say when it comes to politics and the economy?

> murder is up,
Crime has fallen since Apartheid ended which was underreported in the first place since cops showed little interest in tackling crime in the black townships back then

>china is buying them out.
Care to point out what exactly China owns in South Africa?
Britain remains the largest investor in South Africa.Does that mean Britain ‘owns South Africa’?

Why do half of you retards pretend it will hop today when Elon LITERALLY SAID
> T O M O R R O W

there are some retards saying SN9 flight is scrubbed, true or bs?

>>12630703
>Does that mean Britain ‘owns South Africa’?

>>12630707
he said tomorrow before sleeping at 2:37 AM

>>12630613
>>12630703
Unless the Ugandans have a space program I haven't heard of then none of this shit is on-topic even remotely. Talk about spaceflight or stop posting.

>>12630709
Can't say but they are doing a pop test rn.
3mm vs old 4mm

>>12630715
no sweaty, that's when he woke up. didnt you see his flight?

>>12630707
Unlikely to hop when they've got a pop to clean up

Venting is getting more vertical. Pop soon?

>>12630722
uganda has a thriving space industry.

FUCK they're right the NOTAM for today was deleted
https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr2/list.html

>>12630728
they arent pooping shit

>>12630727
I don't even know if Elon sleeps. I think he just sits in chairs and naps lol

>>12630734
hahahah

>>12630737
Are you saying we're delusional if we think SN7.2 is gonna pop today?

>>12630727
does that man even sleep at all?

>>12630740
https://spurzine.com/lugambo/uganda-to-send-a-mouse-to-space/
>thinks i'm joking

>>12630737
rude

>>12630713
>No word on China buying South Africa

>>12630745
you heard me and I absolutely stand by every word I post on /sfg/. I've never been wrong before, and never will be (insider information helps)

is it still active or deleted?
https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_1_5670.html

>>12630734
lel just noticed the computer fan on the front, peak engineering

>>12630762
t. spotter for the ULA sharpshooter

>>12630475
Well the outcome of those negotiations clearly didn’t go the way they thought it would which is insane to me to think that even for a moment they believed the nogs that hated them with a passion would somehow allow them to remain as anything more than powerless tax payers especially after watching what happened in Rhodesia.

And as for rejecting the Volkstaat idea they were total fucking retards to turn that down even if it would mean moving a lot of people around as having to move a couple hundred miles is infinitely better than getting hacked to death by a pack of nogs.

SA whites are incredibly stubborn, greedy, lazy and cowardly. They wouldn’t get rid of nogs because they provided cheap labour and they were too lazy to clean their own homes or cut their own grass. They could have taken over the country 30 years ago when they had a hundred thousand militia men and veterans all organised, but instead they stood down and they refused to sell their farms and move to a centralised location for protection in numbers and form a Volkstaat so now they get butchered on their isolated farms.

>>12630748
What the fuck is an "anti-time missile"?

>>12630763
Seems to be dead, 27th, 28th, and 29th are new dates.

>>12630682

>>12630793
FUCK

Okay what caused the scrub yesterday? Wind? Visibility? Raptor problems?

>>12630790
hyper advanced african technology. beyond the understanding of western minds.

>>12630810
It wasn't even a scrub. An evacuation order was never ordered in the first place. It seems they never had any intentions of launching.

>>12630810
Mostly wind and now it's smoke form mexican farmers burning their crops
(no affiliation to ULA)

>>12630810
mexican agricultural practises.

>>12630810
wind + visibility

today wind is perfect but visibility is still pretty shit

>>12630810
no evac order means they probably never planned to fly yesterday (or today) anyway. Most of this is just community guess work, nobody really knows what SpaceX is planning on doing when beyond the TFRs which are not commitments.

Imagine how much fucking money NSF makes on scrubbed launch streams. God I wish I had paypoggy followers. Apparently they get so many supeechats they tell viewers "HAHA LOL TOO MANY TO READ SO WE WONT READ EM" Like haha that's the best job ever. Pay me money little piggies! Oopsie whoopsie no launch! AND NO REFUNDS HAHAHA SEE YOU FOR TOMORROW'S SCRUB, SRUBS

>>12630661

fuck, it just looks so refreshing—one sip can't hurt, right?

>>12630790
You wouldn't understand, whitey, it's classified Wakandan technology

>>12630825
forbidden water

>>12630815
>>12630823
Alright I take these to be the correct answer. Thanks bros

>>12630790
Africans have such childlike wonder that they play pretend even as grown adults. I wish Americans could retain such curious playful spirits as they grow older. Alas, they would rather become cynics and atheists. It's disgusting

>When President Idi Amin came to power in a 1971 coup (at the Space Race climax of the Apollo lunar landings), he shortly thereafter announced an impossibly optimistic human spaceflight program, that never progressed beyond an attempt at astronaut training on an obstacle course made up of used automobile tires.[4] In June 1999, this effort received dubious recognition as one of the Time 100 magazine feature's "100 Worst Ideas of the Century".[5]
>Idi Amin's government also developed an interest in UFO activity, and he even claimed to have personally witnessed a UFO over Lake Victoria in 1973.[6] In 1971, at the beginning of his regime, United Nations ambassador Grace Ibingira advocated an early form of post-detection policy to prevent Cold War provocation of hostilities with UFOs.[7] Near the end of the Amin era, Uganda also became the only other country to support Eric Gairy of Grenada's efforts for UN recognition of the phenomenon with a dedicated agency and declaring 1978 as the International Year of UFOs.[8]

>The program has been sustained by donations from around the world, and from 2011, funding has also been supplied by the Ugandan government. A spokesman for the Department of Science and Technology said: "I applaud their ambition ... It provides an opportunity for Africans in general and Ugandans in particular to participate in space science and research instead of being spectators." Flight engineers from the Civil Aviation Authority have been assigned to review and advise the team.[20] However, the head of safety at the Civil Aviation Authority subsequently reported to a Parliamentary science committee that all space activities are illegal in Uganda.

>>12630785
>Well the outcome of those negotiations clearly didn’t go the way they thought
It clearly did considering what happened in Rwanda and Bosnia around the same time frame.

lots of venting

>>12630854
>he shortly thereafter announced an impossibly optimistic human spaceflight program, that never progressed beyond an attempt at astronaut training on an obstacle course made up of used automobile tires
How is that country even real

>>12630854
is the whole country collectively double digit IQ?

>>12630824
They're all at it. Can't blame them desu. Don't quite get the mentality of the payers though. Some of them pay a couple of hundred dollars etc, for what? It looks kind of like an abusive relationship to me

>>12630873
Anon, I hope you're not suggesting it's not a lingering after effect of colonialism

>>12630867
SN7.2 has been frosty for well over 1.5 hours. Pretty nuts.

OMFG JUST FUCKING POP ALREADY

Wen hop?

POP ALREADY

>>12630897
>>12630899
THE WELDS ARE TOO STRONG. IT'S UNPOPPABLE. TANK FARM WILL GO BEFORE IT DOES

>>12630898
Hop after pop

>pops
>shrapnel flies into SN9 and ruins it

hop on pop

the moment i get up to pee its going to pop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M

labpadre has some good commentary right now.

ok quick pee don't pop pls

>>12630917
OH FUCK ANON COME BACK QUICK

>>12630854
>the head of safety at the Civil Aviation Authority subsequently reported to a Parliamentary science committee that all space activities are illegal in Uganda.
top kek

>>12630917
OH NOOO-

>>12630916
germans returning to rocketry again

>>12630873
Shh we're not allowed to notice that.

>>12630917
pippity popop

ok bacc
pls sir do the needful and pop now

>>12630912
304L doesn't catastrophically fail when in cryo temps. 301 on the other hand does, which is why they switched from it

>>12630916
close up w/ commentary: https://youtu.be/hpqoqJxbNpw
very close but no commentary: https://youtu.be/Z72Au8Px7mM

>>12630937
I'd rather no commentary. Thank you

>>12630916
YOU ROCK!

Hoppy looking menacingly over at her next victim.

No hop today?

Was the CSM made from aluminum?

>>12630953
the vast majority of the SV was aluminum, so probably

>>12630952
no hop but yes pop

>>12630952
Nope

>>12630945
oh wow, that actually is felix on right now. His voice sounds different in casual conversation

>>12630301
>the mini azn SLS works before the actual SLS
びたれびたれ

>>12630960
Those fins are fucking yuge

>>12630966
He's awright by me. Openly said he doesn't want politics in WAI, which is a step up from the xestronaut's happy clappy denialism

>>12630661
>>12630666
my secret desire is to touch the aerospike. Look how shiny and smooth it is. Almost looks like water running over it.

>>12630977
yeah, that entire arrangement looks pretty heavy

>>12630256
Amnesty for illegals is not theater

>>12630268
A; most big US businesses are dem supporters anyways so who gives af about buy american
B; biden will hand out waivers too

mr who is seething hard

>>12630990
anything that's not legally binding and can be undone by the next administration just as easily is theater

>>12630981
The river of life

>>12630990
>choosing a political party over america

>>12630994
Lmao

Oh shit. Top vents closed?

>>12630994
lmfao what competition???

>>12630994
Kessler Syndrome is nothing to take likely but people seem to forget how big space really is

>watching it pop while trading GME

my heart cant handle it lads!

>>12630994
lmao put some stats in space before bitching, loser

we're going FOR TEH POPPPP

GO FOR POP

AHHHH POP ALREADY

>>12631010
jeffnet when it launches on new glenn somewhere in the 2040s.

POP IMMINENT

LINKS
>>12630937
>>12630916

>>12630994
Every time Elon shits on bezos and Amazon an angel smiles.

>>12631013
Kek, rocketlab has more of a say in this than Blue fucking Origin. Put something in orbit first before bitching about Musk

>>12631000
Reminder that Washington told us not to factionalize and then we went and did it anyway.
Death to the parties

pretty

>>12630997
Anything involving illegals is always legally binding, look at DACA, or Reagan’s amnesty

is that a pop or a vent?

>>12630994
I wouldn't be so confident that SpaceX is morally above doing something just to fuck over Amazon, or at least in serious disregard of cooperating on the allocation of realestate in LEO. Yes I know at the moment there's nobody to cooperate with, but it's precisely this kind of operating that leads to government interfering and making everything 1000x worse.

LOL did the vent blow or the steel?

Jeff bought time on an existing satellite to beam on their constellation frequency to try and then claim it counted as 'using' their allotted radio section therefore meeting a FCC requirement for launching and operating a satellite. what a bunch of sleaze bags

IM POPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPING

>>12631027
To be fair, America was already factionalized by the time Washington was into his presidency. People were shitting on him in the newspapers. Too bad they didn't listen to his farewell address—same with Eisenhower and his warning on the military industrial complex.

>>12631039
I think they're going to increase the pressure several times until it pops

That wasn't a pop lmao. Just normal venting.

>>12631016
That was underwhelming
Also lab can't work camera for shit like usual

>>12631011
Cant blame public when every newspiece uses the retarded model which shows satellites sizes as cities

>>12631040
what a fucking jackass

>>12631032
uhhh which stream is this??

>>12631051
https://youtu.be/Z72Au8Px7mM

>>12631051
lab padre launchpad cam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z72Au8Px7mM

>>12631038
I don’t think you could find a single person on the board that would be upset at Spacex fucking with Amazon in fact most people would be in open support.

>>12631053
They fucked up the camera as it started that huge vent. WHY DO THEY SUCK

>I'M GONNA... I-I'M GO- AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>12631061
amateurs (and retards)

>>12631066
Would it kill them to leave the camera alone for FIVE SECONDS

>>12631059
that's fine, but don't delude yourselves into thinking SpaceX is defacto in the right and Amazon is defacto in the wrong.

>>12631066
>a bug blocking the view
So unlucky.

>>12631075
Based ULA bee

>>12631038
Government is interfering... that’s literally frivolous court case filings

>>12631066
>95% humidity
imagine the smell*
*at the taco truck

HERE WE GO AGAIN

>>12631072
This is Lab, what do you expect. He fucked up EVERY sn6 shot literally the same way

>>12631082
you never lived until you sniff latina ass

Just tuning in now. What are they doing with SN7.2?

>>12631077
WAIT A SECOND!
ZOOM IN AND ENHANCE