/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12623894
cute belly

FIRST for SLS.

Wash the rocket.

7am tomorrow Boca Chica evac. hop?

FIRST for FUCK SLS.

>>12623905
knowing spacex it'll be pushed back a bit

SN9 sticks the landing perfectly. Where does SpaceX go from there?

>>12623918
next step is probably going supersonic on ascent

>>12623918
SN 7.2 3mm stainless steel test. Then, onto Booster hop and (if successful) then stacking for full 100km flight.

FUCK HATERS

>>12623920
At that point wouldn't they also want to start slapping heat tiles everywhere? I would also want to make sure they can stay bolted on through supersonic flight, and be comfortable during the fall/flip/landing. The first prototype with a full heat shield is not too far away I hope

>>12623920
>>12623926
So on this flight we're talking about it flying just on its own power right, no stack? Drone ship/oil platform landing?

>>12623922
I haven't modeled this or anything but given that a naked Starship is just short of being able to make orbit, I strongly suspect SN15 could do a 120km+ hop without a booster.

>>12623940

yeah, 120km isn't that high for suborbital, New Shepard gets to 100k.

post /sfg/ filenames

Soon

>>12623960
*Starliner.jpg

>>12623960

>>12623940
SS+Booster 100KM test would merely be a test of the full system itself (staging/separation and landing for both booster/ss), not a test of whether Starship could go 100 km on its own.

>>12623903
it would be hilarious if someone scrubbed a big "WASH ME" on the side of one of the used boosters

>>12623990

>>12623918
How is it supposed to land without legs?

>>12623924
It may be a piece of shit but goddamn is it aesthetic

Thunderfoot and literally whoberg twitter posting are both several orders of magnitude worse than furryposting.

>>12624019
this was futuristic as fuck in the 70s/80s when it was designed and built

>>12623960

>>12623990
Anyone else here pronounce James Webb Space Telescope as juiced?

>>12623960

>>12624044
I pronounce it JUST

>>12623995
I don't know how close a watch they keep on returning boosters while they're out in the ocean, but if you were a crazy son of a bitch with a boat, you could rendezvous with the drone ship and run up to the booster with a big ladder and a scrub brush.

>>12624047
kek

>>12624021
What stupid shit is he spewing this time?

>>12624021
No. At least the former is tangentially related.

>>12624054
He totally epicly pwned and deboonked E2E Starship.
>>12624058
So is politics because it has an effect on space policy and spaceflight. Doesn't mean I want it here. At least the furries don't give me a rage-induced aneurism.

>>12623960

>>12624052
Giving boaters even more ideas about how they can potentially disrupt spaceflight operations is a really bad move, mate.

>>12623841
i like those reinforced concrete structures, they look sci-fi

>>12624065
>At least the furries don't give me a rage-induced aneurism.
Seems like you need to be prophylactically gassed.

>>12624073
maybe it's not concrete, looking at it again, hmmm

>>12624065
Get the FUCK out of my thread you sick freak.

when do we think the new glenn will get to orbit? going for 2023 myself

>>12624084
2023 seems reasonable, but I'm still hoping for this year

>>12624073
BLACKED

>>12624074
>>12624083
You really think furries are worse than crabs?

>>12623960

>>12624084
Honestly... 2024.

>>12624089
Different shit, different assholes.

>>12624006
It has legs. Look at pictures of SN5's legs or SN6's legs.

>>12624089
Aye

>>12623960

>>12624095
One is an annoyance, the other is a legitimate threat to the future of humanity.

>>12624048
based
>>12624078
They're painted steel, anon

>>12624102
Just wait until the furries congregate and form the Space Wolves pirate clan

>>12624101
lol

>>12624101
kek

>>12624102
This is still 4chan. You can go yiff in reddit.

reminder that sn9 will hop in next month at the earliest

Reminder, HOP tomorrow.

>>12624120
>>12624121
WHICH IS IT

>>12623902
late just like the program

>>12624101
Looks more like Thor-Able

>>12624126
HOP THIS SECOND OH FUCK SNINE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!

>>12624120
>>12624121
You fuckers made me have to look up estronaut's blog to figure this out. It's tomorrow

>>12624119
>reddit
>he doesn't know about the furry board
>>12624126
This week. Monday at the earliest.

If mrbeast makes enough money on this picture scam do you think we'd see more companies invest in things like this?

>>12624132

post schizo engines
http://www.rocketfuelpump.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/AIAA-2010-7131-314.pdf

HOLY SHIT SNINE JUST LANDED ON SHELBY’S HOUSE WITH NO SURVIVORS

>>12624126
SOON

>>12624139
>CFl3 (pressurized by UDMH combustion in the tankage)

>>12624019
Yeah but why did they build that giant stadium sized facility just for that little plane

>>12623960

>>12624139

How likely is a monday hop?

sn9 is a WHORE
sn8 was pure

>>12623960

isn't tomorrow's closure to test 7.2

>>12624164
That's not very typical I'd like to make that point!

>>12624161
One in five chance. They're doing it sometime next week.

>>12623900
Looks like it has two eyes on the top of the two top fins and a smiley mouth.

>>12623924
AND FUCK NASA ASTRONAUTS!
*disintegrates*

>>12624164
The snoop would droop

>>12624019
It is still unmatched, and it will be for a while.

>>12624162
Gone, but not forgotten.

Why spacex tries to catch and return fairings? Like wouldn't they're broken from falling

>>12624162

>>12623924
>>12624174
>safetycucks your space agency

>>12624155

>>12624181
Some are. Some aren't. And many that aren't get reused, saving them millions of dollars.

>>12624170
Kek. Instead of the smiley face, imaging those heat shields are the mouth. Looks like < ∙ >

>>12624181
Because Elon is a notorious packrat.

>>12624187

>>12624188
Are fairings that expensive though?

Here it is

https://youtu.be/93yhVbtec2I

>>12623960

>>12624181
6 million for a pair

>>12624195
Yeah, multi millions. See >>12624200

>>12624174
>>12624186
Amen.

>>12624197
uh anon

>>12624096
Those are pretty shitty legs tho? If it doesn’t come down perfectly straight then it is fucked. If it had legs like the falcon 9 then it wouldn’t be so bad.

>>12623960

>>12624121
>>12624126
Tomorrow. Also Boca Chica village also has evac notification tomorrow early morning at 7am CST. So they want to test it all day tomorrow.

>>12624203
Very unfortunate photo

>>12624213
>>12624166

>>12624207
Imagine the dumpster truck of an ass SS would have if it used F9 legs. Those things are heavy

>>12624200
>>12624202
Wtf why is it so overpriced?

>>12624217
It’s got to have something better than those placeholder things it’s got right now?

It can’t possibly land reliably on those things.

With the rapid progress of Starship should Spacex even bother hoping Superheavy? Why waste time with piddly little hops when they could launch hundreds of starlink sats, test full reentry, and get hoverslam practice without wasting prototypes with meaningless hovers? I'm sure they still will do hops just because getting all the systems in place to stack the full rocket is going to take time but by this point going up 150 meters doesn't satisfy like it used to.

>>12624220
part of it is that they made it out of carbon fibre to get experience with the material. This was before they decided to ditch CF for steel

>>12624211

>>12624220
because they actually are. SpaceX strives to cut costs-sometimes you can't.

>Cost drove lots of decisions, even how the company built its rockets. Once Musk got wind that the air conditioning system used to keep the satellite cool in the rocket’s fairing, or nose cone, was going to cost more than $3 million, he confronted the designer about it.

>“What’s the volume in the fairing?” he wanted to know. The answer: less than that of a house.

>He turned to Shotwell and asked her how much a new air-conditioning system for a house cost.

>“We just changed our air-conditioning,” she replied. “It was six thousand bucks.”

>“Why is this $3 or $4 million when your air conditioning system is $6,000?” he asked. “Go back and figure this out.”

>The company did, buying six commercial A/C units with bigger pumps that could handle a larger airflow.

>>12624222
Checked and yeah. The current legs are designed to do the bare minimum: i.e. hold the weight and be able to crumple if the landing is too hard. Elon has said they haven't gotten around to finalizing the design yet. I suppose (or rather, I hope) that the final design will be more akin to the Lunar SS design

>>12624220
Fairings are crazy complicated - they need pressure management, temperature management, enough strength to stand up to a rocket accelerating to orbit, and to also be lightweight. Falcon 9/Heavy fairings are the one place they use Al-Li composites with the same degree of autism as oldspace, because you can't really avoid it for a discard-in-flight fairing.

Only the cargo launch variant of Starship will have fairings at all, and that'll just be part of the nose on a hinge.

>>12623918
Repeat with SN10 and SN11, possibly with slightly different flight characteristics. Hop BN1. SN15 goes suborbital.

fairings of falcon 9 equalling like three starship...

When do you expect a finalised starship?

>>12624164
OH NO-

>>12624232
18m Starship will probably have big chunky ITS legs.

>>12624161
Upto the judge to close the road when he gets in on the morning. If he thinks the request is too late for the day then he will refuse and instead allow Tue and Wed. Probably 90% chance for permission to hop, the technical requirements make chances even less. I would say 45% considering previous stand downs.

>>12624228
What compels someone to even enjoy the SLS anyway? What has it done to get any fans at all despite constant failures, lack of progress, cost overruns and a general lack of confidence by everyone involved in it?

ROAD CLOSURES IN PLACE, LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>12624238
ITS legs were absolutely kino and I hope we see them one day

>>12624244

>>12624244
wen hop => hop wen, prove me wrong

>>12624245
If it makes you feel better, LunarShip’s legs are just Value-brand ITS legs

>>12624238
If those giant starships are even built will it be put together in orbit or just flown up from the earth, because something that big would require an insane amount of force to get into orbit.

>>12624244

>>12624231
This is why he's so successful. This stuff is obvious only in hindsight.

>>12624244
>roads closed
>not secured
>boomer drives his kayak directly onto the landing pad
>4 fatalities
>Starship canceled
cap this

>>12624245
Moonship's legs basically seem like an evolution of the ITS leg. It's probably never practical to have such huge giant legs when you're considering mass constraints.
Most of the renders don't show them at full extension either, they look like they'll be much longer when fully out.

>>12624255
The entire point of 18m Starship is you can just add more Raptors and propellant.

>>12624244


WE HOPPIN

>>12624259
idk anon I've played a lot of KSP and small legs are gay

>>12624258
If anyone gets too close to this one, shoot them.

>>12624256
Elon "miss me with that bullshit" Musk

>>12624187
man, space looks hard

>>12624259
Yeah agreed. SpaceX is the master of the hoverslam. As long as the legs can support the weight of the vehicle, any design will do. They don't do the dumb shit BO does where they come in swinging sideways and hope nothing tips over

>>12624244
>judge actually signed the road closure on a sunday night
uhh.. based.

>>12624139
>schizo
This system actually makes a lot of sense. I've seen some madlad from a local diy rocket forum building something similar for his engine years ago. Don't know why it's not used anywhere, maybe it becomes too bulky for the flow rates larger engines take.

>>12624260
Probably easier and more Elon style to build some big fucking mothership in orbit that can transport multiple starships and a shitload of cargo at once to Mars, Luna or even beyond. The ship itself can’t land, it will be purely for space travel, the first true spaceship.

>>12624249
fact

>>12624264
Why do you need legs at all when you have the engine bell

>>12624275
Pic doesn't have Sunday

>>12624244
to what altitude?

>>12624274
>They don't do the dumb shit BO does where they come in swinging sideways and hope nothing tips over
Wait, that drunken retard lean was INTENTIONAL?

>>12624264
Easier to make vehicles with large extraneous mass when you're working in a 1/3rd scale solar system.

>>12624228
what's up with boomers and the ellipsis

>>12624289
INFINITE

>>12624290
I think it was accidental but yeah, that's what I was referring to. BO does a long hover and then tries to bring it down. In this case they tried the hover but the thing got blown sideways and then the computer was like oh fuck fuck fuck fuck aaaaaaaah. It'll be interesting to see if Old Glenn will do a hoverslam or try to hover

>>12624297
Many Boomers spent most of their adult lives performing no written communication outside of work, taxes, bills, etc. and the occasional letter. Their writing skills are accordingly atrophied, and so they tend to type in ways that map more literally to how you'd do emphasis in speech. On the other hand, 4chan shut-ins spend more time communicating via text than via speech, so it's more natural.

>>12624297
>>12624310
it's also not an english only thing. It happens with spanish boomers too

>>12624310
My new thing is using hyphens - such as this - because it looks cleaner compared to commas. Also I love using semicolons; nobody knows how to use them correctly.

>>12624318
I used to, but I realized that overuse of hyphens leads to Textual Centipede monstrosities of clauses sewn together into run-on sentences.

>>12624249
>>12624283
FUCK YOU.

>>12624318
At least you haven't used any exclamation points. You're alright, anon.

>>12624310
Makes sense.
>>12624316
Yeah, Polish anon here, my parents do this too.

>>12624228
Johnny Thunder is a troll LARPing as a boomer and even Reddit figured that out, /sfg/ naturally falls for it

So will SN9 make it?

>>12623894

>>12624337
Still you have to admire his dedication to the craft

>>12624342
He knows exactly why he's wrong and thus he knows how to be wrong in the most annoying ways possible

>>12624337
How did they know?

>>12624318
Behold the em dash—a true patrician's punctuation mark.

TOMORROW
IN BOCA CHICA
A STARSHIP HOP IS LIKELY TO TAKE PLACE
ROADS HAVE BEEN CLOSED
EVACUATIONS HAVE BEEN ORDERED
ALL EYES ARE ON STARSHIP SN9

HOP THREAD IS ON STANDBY FOR DEPLOYMENT
BE AWARE
NO DISORDER WILL BE TOLERATED

THIS STARSHIP UPDATE WAS PROVIDED BY TESLA, INC.
TRUE AMERICAN CARS FOR TRUE AMERICANS

>>12624380
*SNIX

>>12624338
I'm really scared that it won't make it as far as SN8. The bar's been set pretty high for a rocket that has had its share of mishaps.

>>12624318
Βơ⟟ηG! βơ⟟ηG! φ⋲ꭱیơηƌllɣ, ⟟ ꭱ⟟⋲ ⋲⋲ꭱɣꔠ⟟ηG ⟟η ꔠ⋲ ⋲ⵋ ơⴥ ꔠ⋲ ᨓꭱ. یƌ⊔ꭱη. Ƶơơᨓ ƶơơᨓ

>>12624161
50% chance

>>12624357
Reading his post history

>>12624380
This got recommended to me the other day, pretty spooky. Because I've never watched anything related on YT

>>12624338
Still predicting a better landing, but one resulting in a tip. Whether or not it explodes when it tips is 50/50, if the engines are off when tanks rupture wouldn't it just make a big white cloud instead of an earth-shattering KABOOM?

>>12624400
What browser do you use

>>12624400
Fucking algorithm

>>12624404
Chrome

>>12624410
see?

>>12624410
go lurk /g/ for a way to unbot yourself

>>12624410
oof

>>12624410
>not using FurryFox

>>12624084
>when do we think the new glenn will get to orbit?
Right before New Armstrong

>>12624249
>>12624283
>not /sfg/'s "hop when?"

>>12624231
>>12624256
his mind operates at a more fundamental level than most. It enables him to see through the bullshit that consensus erroneously accepts as correct

>>12624318
I remember parenthesis were pretty hot when the internet first started becoming popular. And yeah semicolons are underrated but they look "weird" even when used correctly because they're so rare in internet discourse.

>>12624338
I think this anon's right >>12624388 . SN8 went too smoothly. There's likely some undiscovered bugs that just so happened to not crop up. SN9 will likely find them. Hoping I'm wrong because once the landing is achieved everyone can relax a bit.

>>12624161
given past precedent I doubt it'll be Monday. Hopefully this week. Tues might be good.

>>12624338
Snine will do it for Snate's sake. Or else..

Does anyone have the twitter post about how the Raptor scrub problem has been solved?

''wen hop'' makes no fucking sense, it's you trying to be cute and quirky because you don't like the established ''hop when''

>>12624365
Truly a prophet of the word
>>12624380
Extremely based as always

>>12624211
Damn, I hate boomer posts like that one.

>>12624464
This.

>>12624241
Boomers stuck in the golden days of NASA and the Apollo program.

Holy fuck thunderf00t btfo new space. Elon shills seething

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENBn-W3uPXQ&ab_channel=Thunderf00t

>>12624480
Based Marsposter

>>12624464
absolutely based autist. fuck reddit soi boys who need to constantly be quirky because being serious and mature makes them feel unconfortable

>>12624480
I can never tell who is making the claim that's being debunked anymore

It's some guy narrating over a clip show of spacex's animations and a ted talk, and I have no idea if he's speaking from his ass or these are actual claims made by spacex. So who is thunderfoot debunking? Some guy that made a youtube video or spacex?

>>12624211
>reddit

Yeah, yeah, roads closed, but what's the current date of launch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7lgj3aZ8dU
Meece

Are you guys serious about actually wanting to fuck Starship? What the hell is wrong with you? Why would anyone actually want to take a Starship to bed, lie atop her and run your hands over her body, feeling the smooth steel and tiny bump of every weld caress your hand, harder than your own skin, yet smooth and glassy, and feel her breath against your face as she watches you touch her, knowing what's to come.
Why would anyone in their right mind want to line up your erect cock with her steel pussy between her beautifully arranged cluster of Raptor engines, already quivering with excitement and slowly slip inside her, watching the look of pure ecstasy spread across her shiny steel face, so exotic yet comfortingly familiar, as her eyes narrow and her mouth opens as a moan of pleasure escapes her RCS thrusters and she wraps her flaps around you, enveloping you in her cold, metallic embrace. You can't seriously want to feel her gridfins grip around your back and she holds on to you, letting you know you are hers and she is yours as you slowly thrust into her, back and forth, picking up speed as you both make louder and more raw engine roars. Her breathing quickens and her hull stretches nearly to the popping point point, her grid fins wrap around your body, making you to thrust deeper into her as her tight raptor engines vibrating with pleasure, clamping down on your cock, sending you over the edge and quickly bringing an orgasm of your own. The pleasure overtakes you until you can't hold back and with a final thrust, empty your balls deep into the Starship below you who's writhing in shuddering ecstasy of her own. Eventually it subsides and she reaches up, licking a bead of sweat off your neck, then nuzzles her face against yours as you both regain your breath.

>>12624515

>>12624441
What engines do new armstrong use?

>>12624515

>>12624524
Paper Engine-4

>>12624249
go back

>>12624515

>>12624515
>When she resonates at 600hz and wakes up your parents

>>12624538
>oh-oh-oh!-HONK

>>12624515
A daring synthesis

SN9 better hop tomorrow because at this rate /sfg/ will get moved to /d/

Why in the fuck does it still require a fairing

>>12624587
smol and need protecc

>>12624587
this is your brain on oldspace.

>>12624587
>exposed RCS thrusters on launch in your path

Let's be honest guys, which is the best Artmeis lunar lander proposal and why is it Dynetics'?

>>12624587
Can anyone think of a more cucked spacecraft?

>>12624587
Wait I just realised, does this shit not have abort capability?

>>12624597
The first two because they aren't bootleg Apollo landers
>>12624598
Buran

>>12624599
No need for an abort ability if you never do crew

>>12624599
dream chaser is cargo-only. also lmao the crewed version wasn't going to have any windows

>>12624599
Nah. They might as well name the first one Challenger

https://youtu.be/cc1EsO_XV8E

this starship documentation channel is underrated. Some cool shots and comfy music

>>12624608
>>12624604
>>12624599
It will never fly with a crew anyways. If it did, they would be inside the fairing lol

>>12624587
aerodynamics fucky on the way up? I dunno, man. Good question.

>>12624617

>>12624620
looking out the window to see the inside of a fairing would be pretty sweet ngl

>>12624380
>SN9
>9

>>12624598
Starliner

>>12624604
>also lmao the crewed version wasn't going to have any windows
???

>>12624587
>>12624599
IIRC the crew version doesn't have the fragile trunk on the back and launches without a fairing for launch-abort capability.

>>12624634
When they first announced that dream chaser was being thrown out of the commercial crew pool, some of the astronauts tried to cope and said "we don't need windows! We would love to fly in a manned dream chaser without them"

>>12624634
>>12624598
the coolest thing about this thing is its engines: it uses vortex cooling and MAY run on N2O + propane.

>>12624597
Dynetics only wins because Starship drastically exceeds the ambitions of the program

Why do small spaceplanes get screwed over so much?

http://www.qualityapps.com/Contents/CommunityGuide/Texas/BocaChica/NTM24Jan2021.pdf

coast guard exclusion zone up

>>12624664
Spaceplanes kill capsules stone dead when they work right. Small spaceplanes were back-burnered from the late 70s to 2011 because it would have interfered with the Shuttle.

>>12624666
>exclusion zone
You mean ideal fishing zone? No one else is around to take all the available fish

>>12624673
boomer pls

>>12624666
Thanks satan. Also inb4 boomers come up in their boats and scrub the attempt monday

>>12624682
it's happened before. It'll probably happen again

>>12624647
Where are you getting the information that a windowless manned Dream Chaser was on the cards? As far as I know the windowless design only came about after the commercial crew contract was stolen by Boeing and it turned into a cargo craft

>>12624691
>fuzzy mirror dice in the cabin of a commercial people-mover in space
Fresh Prince of No Air when?

>>12624682
>>12624684
>inb4 coast guard mines the exclusion zone

>>12624704
>Fresh Prince of No Air
My favorite way to refer to George Floyd I've seen yet

>>12624707
>Attention, citizen! Multiple third-party individuals have reported one or more of your recent actions as being inappropriate.

>>12624707
Spacex patrol drones armed with hi-points

>>12624728
miniature Starship shaped attack blimps

>>12624126
Yes.

Who gurantees martian private property? Who can basically sell land en masse. desu if mars it to grow it needs incentives to swell and get big quickly.

>>12624691
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1184150505720897537?s=20

>>12624809
>Who gurantees martian private property?
Whoever Elon lets bring guns.

>>12624813
To add on to this, idk if that dude is a real astronaut or if he works for SNC and was just saying that as a joke. But they took the windows off for cargo and they were trying to push the angle of "we could put humans in it. They don't need windows! Imagine the weight of the windows!"
Mega cope

>>12624809
Each individual enforces their own right to property

>In today's F9 launch some of the sats were strapped on to and deployed from the 2nd stage's aft end
that's pretty cool. Wish they put a camera in that area

>>12624380
Thank you citizen I am now aware

why did you lie to me /sfg/

>>12624883
What is the lie. Isn't that notice a good thing?

>>12624883
There was an evacuation notice posted though

>>12624821
never works, libertarians have the picture backwards. Who is the state sponsor that backs your property. Mars soveirgnty. My vote is a musk absolute monarchy.

>>12624911
>Who is the state sponsor that backs your property
None. Individual sovereignty, at least for the people who are willing to take it. My lunar mining business will be a sovereign corporation after we find a uranium deposit.

>>12624809
Martian property will be owned and regulated by Musk Heavy Industries

>>12624821
You can't have that, it's simply not possible to run a space colony like the wild west. Look to the Antarctic research bases if you want some perspective on bases in extreme environments. People even die down there once in a while, even though they're super disciplined and often intelligent. Mars in going to kill even the best of us once in a while, working alone will not be an option in the near future.

>>12624920
In the near future, of course not. Early Martian colonists will basically be corporate citizens.

>>12624915
>>12624911
You guys know that people can just make alliances right? You can just hire a private security company,

>>12624926
If you want to follow that line of thought then they will be more oil platform workers.

>>12624915
>Invades the moon and commendeers your mining shit
Pssh... Nothing personnel, wizard

>why yes I only use solid fuel boosters
>how could you tell?

>>12624955

How would you project a laser onto its objective lens that has a coaxial linear accelerator at its center? This thing is too useful both as an accelerator/decelerator array and a warship's main gun to not try to test it

>>12624984
If you zoom in on the image you see it's a hex grid of smaller lasers.

>>12624955
By looking at the empty space both between your rocket's and your ears.

>>12624992
literally OmegA

>>12624992
This is the worst rocket ever designed.

>>12624992

>>12624992
Brilliant in KSP
Terrifying IRL

>>12625003
I would have agreed if I never saw the SLS bedsheet.

>>12624883
this happened with SN8 too.

>>12625018
These all look like dogshit

>>12623960

>>12624992
why the fuck is it so far apart? Isn't that just wasted mass?

>>12624992
I need a Hazegrayart animation of this

>>12625027
>the most sensible ones are keralox
of course

>>12625033
Because that's how far away they were in the Shuttle because of the orange tank, so that's where the flame trenches are since it launches from the same launch pad.

>>12625033
>empty space
>mass
>bruh.wav

>>12625036
*kerbalox

>>12625032
>And you thought Krystalfags were degenerate.png

>>12625032
>the giant asshole responsible for SLS

>>12623960

Bros what are the chances this suit never makes it to orbit

>>12624930
Private security company? Or a company you pay to make yourself insecure and open to a hostile take over by said mercenaries.

>>12623960
Our cutting edge rocket engine design

bergy is thinking Tues is more likely

>>12625037
that's a stupid fucking reason I'm not sure why I thought it would be anything else

>>12625027
Puts perspective to how the current SLS got built if those were it's competing designs.
>uneven number of mini SRB's on side cores
>strapping 3-5 cores together
>short-stack delta heavy
>some freakish mating of the shuttle tanks and a energia looking design
All built specifically to feed shuttle contractors.

>>12625059
Yeah lol. NASA is known for cucking themselves. That's what they get for spending billions on a launch platform. When it comes time to design a new rocket, they are limited by bullshit like that

>>>/wsg/3767458

Okay fuck it I'm just going to say it: I think SLS is actually pretty cool. Yes I know there's a lot of shit about it to lament over. Yes I understand the people who run the program are retards. Yes I know the delays and costs can't be defended. But just looking at it, it's fucking cool looking.

>>12625062
Meanwhile SpaceX is like, why do we even need flame trenches? You don't need to build them in Kerbal Space Program.

>>12625071
you're not wrong. Watching it launch is going to be hype

>>12625083
Exactly. Like I know it's shit, I can't emphasize that enough. But imagine if NASA hadn't gone with cost-plus contracting. Imagine if we got SLS like 5 years after shuttle was retired and it was 1/10th the cost of shuttle as it was intended. It would have actually been pretty dang cool

>>12623894
Do you guys think the Mars base will have a pure Oxygen enviroment? If not, where would they get all the Nitrogen from if they want to expand the base?

>>12625086
Holy shit, that 10m fairing is actually fucking huge. Can it send that whole damn payload to Mars without refueling?

>>12625089
From the 3% nitrogen atmosphere, dumbass

>>12625086
I thought that was to scale lol

>>12625089
No, because that leads to a VERY hot fire from any spark
>Nitrogen
Probably, initially from the spacecraft life support already there and possibly some spare cylinders until a new source can be found

>>12625089
Pure oxygen at 30% pressure

>>12625032

>>12625083
I'll be hyped to see it blow up before making orbit. I do actually want to see it fly, but if it detonated on the pad and destroyed that too, I'd be pretty jazzed.

>>12625096
Just extract it from the atmosphere

mars brap barn for methane ISRU

hop thread will be pending road closure & prop activity
relive SN8: >>/sci/thread/S12440817

>>12625089
You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded

>>12625112
>Elon’s secret terraforming device
>”The BRAZILIAN BRAP QUEENS!”

What’s a good way to suck up ant transport some of Venus’ atmosphere to send to Mars? Both planets would benefit
Do we build big airships made mostly of carbon fiber with big straws to suck up and compress the atmosphere, then launch NTR starships from them filled with LN and dry ice?

Evac order is fake news

>>12625116
>810 Pa with 2,6% Nitrogen vs 101 kPa with 80% Nitrogen.
Wouldn't we have to filter hundreds of thousands of m3 to get a single cubic meter of air? Is that feasable in the long term if we plan to build entire cities there?

>>12625153
Many such cases!

>>12625153
Why would they apply FTS then?

>>12625163
So they can eat burgers tomorrow

>>12625112
Just get a bunch of lactose intolerant woman and feed them milk and cheese all day and harvest their braps.
If there's any excess, vent it into the air conditioning system.

>>12625071
SLS would have been absolute kino if it began serious development 20 years ago and instead of a 2021-22 manned flight we had a manned flight in 2012 so we could follow the shuttle retirement immediately with something as badass as a lunar flyby.

Now, SpaceX has shown decades worth of development in barely more than 5 years, and SLS just feels kind of sad in comparison, like its design should have flown in 2001, not 2021.

>>12625193
100% agreed. Good in theory: suicided itself in execution.

>>12625197
It's as sad as watching the Russians get all excited about the equally 90s-tastic Angara while Blue Origin is building a man-rated Delta Clipper and SpaceX is building an IRL Thunderbird 3.

>>12625154
Yes to both questions

>>12625092
No SLS can put like 40 tons into a TMI and that payload consists of a 54 ton lander and a 60 ton Solar-Electric Tug

>>12625154
Fine just send a a few ships filled with nothing but compressed air and scrap them on-site.

>>12625193
Man, if SLS first flew in 2017 and did a lunar flyby with people in 2019, it would’ve been cool. We’re stuck in a timeline where it will be lucky if it sends crew around the moon in 2023

Uhm, bros?

>>12625231
This one's so confusing. Nibbas giving conflicting information

>>12625231
??

IT JUST FLEW

>>12625240
OVER MY HOUSE

RIP SN9

What kind of vibrations will Starship have on the payload?

>>12625253

>>12625253
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eab_beh07HU

spacex laying down the burn on Bezos https://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=3683193

>>12625268

>>12625268
>doesn't have launch vehicle
>claim orbits as your own
is this the patent trolling of space?

>>12625274
Blue Origin tried to defend their patent for landing rockets on boats you know

>>12625279
At this point I think SpaceX would be legally justified in drone-striking Bozos directly.

>>12625261
lmao

>>12625281
Inshallah

>>12625086
the four engines firing were beautiful

>>12625288
So why does SpaceX static fire Starship for like 3 seconds max while SLS needs 8 or so minutes?

>>12625292
SpaceX engines are full-fired in McGregor. The static fires at Boca are to make sure those same engines are connected properly and stuff once installed on Raptor.

>>12625163
FTS static fire

>>12625057
Wasn't he the one who said Raptors needed a month or more to get fixed?

>>12625297
How come they have issues with the Raptors honking and falling apart and whatnot? Also wtf I can’t believe NASA is actually using 20 year old engines on the maiden flight of SLS that’s insane

>>12625288
It takes 30 billion dollars to fire these engines - for one. minute.

>>12625309
To be honest I have no clue. I mean maybe I'm wrong and they don't fire every engine at McGregor now? But I'm fairly certain they do. Idk how an engine would pass the first test only to fuck up once it's on Raptor
And yeah, SLS has been delayed so many times that they have a backlog of BRAND NEW space shuttle engines to use. But they are still required by congress to use those old ones used on the space shuttle flights. It's all so stupid.

>>12623960

>>12625299
that makes literally no sense

>>12625288

Was Transporter-1 cheaper (for the customers) than a ride on Electron?

>>12625335
>JARVIS
DAILY REMINDER
>While the Hughes proposal for the "Jarvis" would have been powered by a pair of Saturn V F-1 engines, when Boeing joined the proposal they quickly shifted the proposal toward a Shuttle-derived in-line design consisting of an External Tank powered by a single aft-mounted Space Shuttle Main Engine (SSME) augmented by a pair of Solid Rocket Boosters. This Revised Jarvis would be able to lift 80,000 pounds (36,000kg) to LEO

>>12625335
>https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/06/planet-teams-with-spacex-to-expand-its-earth-observation-constellation/
" SpaceX has worked with Planet to devise a means of attaching the Planet satellites on top of its stack of 60 Starlink satellites. These rideshare missions came together quickly, as Planet and SpaceX only signed an agreement about six months ago. "This is the result of SpaceX dramatically cutting the cost of access to launch," said Mike Safyan, vice president of launch at Planet. "It's significant. They cut the price so much we could not believe what we were looking at." "

>They cut the price so much we could not believe what we were looking at

>>12625339
>Boeing took this from you

>>12625340
So what was it? Electron can do 300 kilos for $6 Million or so.

Imagine launching Dream Chaser like this.

Also I Googled Mars Direct Ares and got this pdf with all sorts of concepts.

http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/library/meetings/fellows/mar04/Grey_Jerry.pdf

>>12625364
>okay so here's how we'll improve the shuttle
>we remove the shuttle
>but keep the engine pod
>and then put a SMALLER SHUTTLE on top of that
>>can we abort now without killing the crew?
>no
>>what advantage does this actually have
>uh, none, I suppose
and just like that the dreamchaser / shuttle C stack died

>>12625364
Wtf

>>12625364
That PDF is weird wtf I got a creepy vibe from it for some reason damn

>>12625366
Nah it seems like a side mount capsule isn’t inherently a bad idea. Pic related. Say what you want but at least this would’ve flown before 2020

>wind gust: 37 mph
nope.jpg

>>12623932
Yes
The superheavy prototypes aren't finished let alone tested, that'll be a few months from now and the Oil platforms have just started being repurposed for Launch/Landing.

>>12625306
That was the general thought before Elon put out a new tweet

>>12625288
It does irk me that they dump engines this expensive, and this historic. But holy cow this looks beautiful

>>12625153
wait it means hop in monday is fake?

>>12625458
At least window from 7 am is fake.

it's static fire apparently

>>12623960

I dreamed about SN9 exploding on launch.

Did some some read "Omon Ra"? What was it like?

>>12625479
I hope you used "dream" as "experience dreams during sleep"?

>>12625479
pretty sure "dreamt" is correct here

>>12625486
>>12625497
I didn't come here for an English lesson.

>>12625497
American English uses the form dreamed as the past tense and past participle. British English uses either dreamed or dreamt.

Are you british?

>>12625502
leafistani

>>12625193
Shuttle-derived launch vehicle was first proposed in 1975, anon.

>>12623960

>>12625532
who is this creepy dude?

>>12625534
the schizophrenic

>>12625541
>>12625532
they look diffrent

>>12625545
different people often do

>>12625547
what did they forget in sfg

>>12625443
But why? They've screwed on new raptors in a day before. What made people think it was a month this time?

Step aside filthy Zubrin stans, mini SLS is how we get to Mars :)

>>12625475
Death to all the spacex grifters. Long live Mary.

>>12625364

IS THERE GOING TO BE A FUCKING HOP TOMORROW?? WHEN SHOULD I SET MY ALARM!!!

>>12625309
Clean lab runs don't translate into rugged terrain of boca or mars. Spacex is doing the right thing by testing without clean room. NASA wants clean lab tests.

>>12625702
NOBODY KNOWS!

HOP WHEN

satellite dispersal pattern from yesterday
https://twitter.com/TSKelso/status/1353376925109030916

>>12625754
Today or tomorrow by the looks of it.

>>12624480
Did the guy even look up the cost of kerosene vs liquid methane ?

>>12625754
probably tuesday

>>12625784
Noup and he didn't calculate deltaV for suborbital flight with less than 100t payload. Human passengers are not that dense.

>>12624480
Made it about 20 minutes in and the only thing he’s talked about is muh carbon footprint of intercontinental business travel

>>12624480
I'm not familiar with the guy, does he have a language problem like Isaac Arthur ?

>>12624672
>more expensive
>mass inefficient
>retarded asymmetric shapes
>not a space plane at all, just a shitty capsule that lands by gliding

>>12625771
>baby's first bullet hell

>>12625817
(You)

>>12625850
>nnooo no bad talk about my space cessna

>>12625814
he has a brain problem

>>12625850
Can’t use the asymmetric space plane as the front of the rocket, need fairings, can’t scale the size of the thing, need retarded extra expendable cargo

But maybe that’s a NASA being retarded on design specs, and changing their mind later

Wings in space ahhhh

>>12624244
>wendeday

>>12624279
It doesn't generate a lot of pressure anon. That's why.

>>12624281
This is literally the opposite of Elon's style you dummy.

>>12625889
lol, county court staff

>>12625309
>How come they have issues with the Raptors honking and falling apart and whatnot?
Its... its an engine in development...
They are pushing the limits of rocket motor design. Not to mention that Raptor hasn't been an actual thing for very long, compared to other motors that are currently in use.
Hell, the BE-4 has been in development for longer and still has yet to lift anything.

>>12625475
SpaceX itself will make a livestream when it's time for the actual flight

>>12625889
>wendeday
>wen de day
>when the day
HOP FUCKING WHEN

>>12624244
> 12:00 pm to 6:00 pm

>>12625999
It's a burger thing, no need to waste time trying to make sense of it.

>>12626006
???

>>12626009
After 11:59 am comes 12:00 pm and after 12:59 pm comes 1:00 pm. Yes it makes perfect sense.

>>12625999
12 pm is midday, 12 am is midnight

It's fucking Monday and still no hop, SpaceX is fraud confirmed.

>>12626032
>12 before noon is midnight
Makes sense
>12 after noon is noon
Fuck off.

>>12626043
Both NSF and Estronaut have live streams scheduled to start today.

>>12623960
it will buff out once we fill him with LOx