/sci/ - Science & Math

Damn, Falcon 9 rideshares are actually a lot more expensive then sending up full sized payloads.

2nd for Martian bunny girls

so, elon said 1 million for fuel 2 million total cost per launch ?

starship can put 100 tons into LEO.

that comes down to 20$/kg to leo

so a person (100kg) plus all his consumables for a mars trip (around 1000kg)

could be launched for $22000 cost. you could sell the passages at $44000 and not only offer dirt cheap vacations to mars but earn a whooping 100% return on investment!!!!! thats like, the most profitable venture ever.

but there's more
you could easily charge 1 million dollars and people would fight each other for the tickets.

that would be a 4500% profit margin, higher than shitting gold

you could charge it 100 million and still people would sign up 45000% profit margin

once all is said and done, if you add the current cost of artemis, plus the programs from when it comes that derived into NOTHING but what artemis is today and the money that will be spent by them and take into account all of the extra money that theyll ask (anything less than multiplying by a trillion is to be in their favour)

then it comes down that nasa will pay more or less 40 billion per person on the moon

thats
40 000 000 000

for one person on the moon no sooner than 2030

elon musk will be able to take anyone to MARS (or the moon) for

22 000

that's 0,00000055% of what nasa charges

>>12616362
Brings me back. Feels like ages. Kek I think it was only 2 years ago

You know we are gonna print on Mars, don't you anon? Don't fight it. You hate it, but only because you have told yourself to. It's a viable technology if Elon put effort into it.

>>12616394
PLA and basalt fibers are pretty poggers

>>12616394
>Mars soil turns out to be less than optimal for proonting at the site like it turned out to be less than optimal for digging with InSight

kek

>>12616394
BUTTPLUG HABS

>>12616384
Elon wants a 500000 dollar ticket to mars and 250k ticket later IIRC. It has to be low enough that middle class people on earth could afford it, not just millionaires who wouldn't be up for hard labor and colonial life.

>>12616394
The Makenbreak Company (formerly the Boring Company)

>>12616394
Except Elon is already putting effort into mole people tunnels. Go away proontfag.

>>12616394
>print
But you can't print three kilometer wide steel blast doors to seal off your lava tube tunnel nations?
>>12616404
I don't get how he plans to sell tickets to people.

>>12616404
i know, but theoretically he could go much lower and still have the most profitable business in the history of mankind

>>12616362

>>12616394
why print when you can dig?

>>12616384
stop

typing

like

this?!?!??!!!!!!

>>12616449
no clue, but he said he wants average middle class people to go to mars eventually, ideally by the 2040s/2050s

Humans will never leave the solar system because we cant figure out how to do practical space travel without using rockets which are too slow

>>12616379
And they'll all be disproportionately tall from living in lower gravity.

DOES NEW GLENN EVEN EXIST?? IT'S SUPPOSED TO FLY NEXT YEAR AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN FACTORY PHOTOS

>>>>12616403
Surface habs are for losers and Earth tourists. Real Martian folk live in the vast tunnel and bunker networks below the planets surface protecting them from radiation and orbital bombardment.

>>12616460
oh fuck we can't leave the solar system.
that only gives us like 500 million years before we run out of resources for more people, might as well give up now.

>>12616464

>>12616464
Remember slow and steady Anon. Blue Origin are about to hit an exponential growth period where New Glenn will be flying by 2019 and New Armstrong will be BTFO-ing the competition by 2021

>>12616464
Considering that we've only seen small barrel sections and the latest BE-4s we know of are pathfinder models, the launch may be delayed. Which is really sad because I was hoping they would be a good Pepsi to SpaceX's Coke but it seems like they would end up like Diet Rite

>>12616470
civilization wont last long enough to run out of resources. the chance of a mass extinction event happening is almost certain within 500 million years

>>12616464
They have the most important part (the fairing) done. I'm sure it'll fly this year.

>>12616480
>mass extinction event
On every habitable surface, artificial or not, in the solar system all at once?

>>12616479
Look I know Elon is working as fast as he can, and everyone understands New Glenn is a joke, but had it been flying now for 3 years or so and seriously eating into F9's contracts, and they were already working on Armstrong or whatever, SN9 would have probably flown months ago. Having two competitors neck-and-neck would do wonders. But Bezos is a hack fraud

>>12616384
you are forgetting you need multiple LEO refuelling missions to get a Starship with 100tons to mars

Gone but never forgotten

MORE LIKE SCIENCE FICTION GENERAL

AM
I
rITE?

>>12616485
Members of a type 3 civilization using an anti-matter based Life-B-Gone spray to clean up their picnic spot in the Local Bubble?

>>12616470
more like upwards of a billion years
>>12616460
>orion drive and NSWR blocks your path

>>12616394
>tried to proont R2D2 part
>this happens

>>12616491
If only

>>12616496
nice dot matrix video game relic back there anon

Anyone have that picture of an old woman from the Air Force wearing a SpaceX helmet? It's a really funny picture, but I can't find it.

>>12616502
Ey thanks, wanted to modify that gameboy to have one of those backlit monochromatic LCDs and power it off of a lipo battery instead of 4 double A's. I ended up losing motivation when I realized I didn't have a triangular screwdriver head.

>>12616462
>literally this

>>12616477
eric berger has said that there's no way it makes 2021. Pretty obvious that he's right

>Which is really sad because I was hoping they would be a good Pepsi to SpaceX's Coke but it seems like they would end up like Diet Rite
ha, that's a good way to put it

>>12616509
Low gravity wouldn’t turn you into an Ethiopian anon.

>>12616509
Lmao

>>12616480
>the chance of a mass extinction event happening is almost certain within 500 million years
which is why we need to advance technologically while not using said advancements to destroy ourselves. Threading the needle

>>12616514
>>12616479
replied to wrong post

>>12616486
>But Bezos is a hack fraud
humans need a fire under their ass to do great things. Blue Origin is too comfy to succeed.

>>12616514
I remember a few years ago I bought into the whole "slow and steady, any day they're about to start exponentially growing" BO hype and thought they were just around the corner to becoming a major force like SpaceX. Man how cool it would have been to have two private companies with super heavy lift capabilities. To see them at the state the they're at now is beyond sad

>>12616379
>post says bunny girls
>pic is not a bunny girl
Disappointment.
>>12616509
>psychic powers
>can teleport
Literally just Stranger In A Strange Land but after getting WE WUZ'd.

>>12616489
That would be a problem if money was a problem, but thankfully it isn’t as starlink and the giga factories will make sure of it.

/sfg/ btfo'd

>>12616536
>the fact that no human has ever done a single useful thing in outer space to date
False. Apollo 11 covered 240,000 miles on the moon in 76 hours while Curiosity covered 14.27 miles in 8 years. Humans are much faster at exploration than robots because they don't have to triple check every inch traveled

>>12616529
bezos tried to replicate what WAS instead of building upon a fundamental understanding that would allow him to build what COULD be. Elon obviously did the latter.
This shit is why institution worship is retarded. Everything we do will be viewed as being primitive soon enough. Why mimic something primitive?

>>12616555
>How about baby steps first
Why?
>The fact that a human can do it easier is irrelevant because sending a human to do it is so much more costly
Human spaceflight exploration is only more costly because robots can be made to be much smaller than the smallest human mission without worry of a return trip. I bet that costs would be more comparable if masses were closer together and roundtrips are required for both

she's so pretty bros

he cute

Krystal's feet

>Old memes
very old edition

>>12616583
Fuck Sojourner. That dinky little rover was pushed as the most cutting edge thing possible in spaceflight for the longest time

>>12616573
Really hope the landing goes smooth

>>12616589
>SS Krystal's...Feet you are clear to dock with pad 12
>please wait in your vessel until a cleaning crew arrives
>no I do not hear gun fire

>>12616536
>>12616555
Man I don't think I've actually ever seen a guy this stupid in /sfg/ before and that's an incredible feat considering some of the retarded shit antispacers post here.

>>12616598
Take it back you son of a bitch that little rover set the standard for Mars rovers far outlasting their expected lifespan.

>>12616598
still cute

>>12616596
What counts as old?

>>12616623
Big Boi. Hopefully it can actually do stuff without fucking up.

>>12616636
No matter how big they make the rover, if they insist on remote controlling it all the way from URF it will never be able to get much work done. There's simply zero substitute for working in real time, and no matter how strong or fast the rover is, or how much power it has or how many tools it can use, there will still always be a huge light lag delay that gimps it's functionality.
Even simply having humans orbiting Mars in a long-term station and remote controlling robots from there would be vastly superior to any level of Earth-controlled rover.

Honestly if anyone were serious about building a rover for a planet more than a couple light seconds distant would be best served by trying to design the most autonomous AI humanly possible, rather than making as large a rover as possible.

>>12616636
That's Curiosity. Perseverance is basically the same thing but with a couple other instruments

>>12616618
>that little rover set the standard for Mars rovers
A standard that should have been set 15 years prior
On a related note, was there a more miserable time for solar system exploration than the 80's? I can't think of any major missions that was launched during that decade

Does mars make large shielded mechs practical for doing large scale outside work or automated machinery by wire?

Also what happens to a starship if it strikes a micro meteriote en route to mars.

>>12616630

>>12616670
Mars only has a little less than 40% the gravity of earth so mechs would be pretty unnecessary as normal cranes and earth machinery would be extremely effective on a low gravity world like it, besides a lot of infrastructure will be going underground so again mechs wouldn’t be very useful.

The starship is made of steel so it would probably be fine if it was hit by a tiny meteor.

>>12616670
Automated machinery for specialized tasks, hardsuits for tasks that require the human hand. If something is so massive and heavy you can't lift it or move it in 1/3rd gee, then you're better of skipping over a humanoid robot or powered exoskeleton and going straight to a specialist industrial machine, they're less costly and complex than some kind of anime robot.

>>12616403
why would we even bother with building above ground?

Why not just use nukes? Underground nuclear explosions make a damn big cavern. A whole load quicker and cheaper than drilling along with getting a massive single space to use.

why was it suddenly moved after months/years of not moving at all? did spacex move the platform because people found out?

>>12616737
>did spacex move the platform because people found out?

Seems likely yeah, pretty coincidental otherwise.

>>12616736
and its all heavily irradiated anyway.

>>12616394
He won’t. BTFO

>>12616736
Go to bed Elon.

Relevant to the upcoming rideshare

>>12616773
>chinks btfo by literal hobbits and their toy rocket

>>12616773
Counting by spacecraft number is retarded. Kilograms to orbit is way better

>>12616460
Who cares what happens in the far future long after we’re dead? What a retarded thing to waste time thinking about

>>12616725
Have u ever dug anything before
People will live in normal concrete houses/apartments with windows just like on Earth, with a little more attention paid to making things airtight

>>12616526
We should stop technological advancements then reverse it. Ted was right

>>12616787
t. African

>>12616480
Not how statistics actually work and humans would be unharmed by ecological collapse

>>12616536
That’s dumb lol

>>12616648
Autonomous AI should be illegal and anyone who advocates for it should be shot right in the face with a shotgun

>>12616725
Because humans belong above ground idiot

>>12616791
I’m American, and I don’t care what happens if I’m not around for it, because that’d be retarded. Hur dur maybe Earth will fall into the sun in 6,000,000 years

Great who cares?

T H E S H A F T
https://youtu.be/AhpvTJQBkrg

>people think you need to build domes or meme habitats to hold 15 psi of air in

Plastic/styrofoam molds, pour concrete in, spray on sealant, and ur done
Same as on Earth

>>12616819
We should live in O’Neill cylinders with woodland paradise inside

>>12616825
>magic anti gravity device invented so man can grow corn and straw in space

Ahhhhhhh

>>12616830
>Retard doesn’t know about centrifugal force artificial gravity but posts in spaceflight thread

>>12616833
How are you lifting millions of tons to your O’Neil cylinder

>>12616830
We'll try spinning, that's a good trick.

>>12616834
Your mother

>>12616834
Who said anything about lifting? Just dismantle the Martian moons and you could fit millions in rotational habitats with 1g of gravity

https://twitter.com/brendan2908/status/1352784291172737024

>>12616782
lol ok elon

>>12616788
And once those people all mysteriously started dying of cancer then they would move much of the residential structures underground.

>>12616818
Fair amount of wasted space but mostly on the right track, fantastic visuals too. Also

SHAFT

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>>12616845
They are going to have a serious testing bottleneck soon, all those vehicles that will be sitting around just waiting for test stand space. They need to accelerate the test schedules.

>>12616845
>6 static fires
Has any other prototype matched her?

>>12616782
Why? Does rocket cost half as much because it's only carrying half its possible payload?

>>12616853
SN4 had 5 static fires and a rud if that counts, https://twitter.com/brendan2908/status/1338689061817487360

>>12616818
Literally more room than my apartment

>>12616818
>waste like 1/4 of the volume for a “viewing gallery”
>fucking treadmills instead of tiny fold up ellipticals and resistance bands
Space is going to be way more optimized and filled with shit

>>12616858
Close but Snine now holds the record it seems. Hope she lands better than Snate.

>>12616818
Treadmills don’t work. Only heavy weightlifting works to stop muscle and bone atrophy

>>12616874
Speaking of which when is 7.2 gonna pop?

>>12616879
Which is great because your excercise space is now just a row of weight racks and some open floor space which could be multipurpose as well.

>>12616898
No one is giving you free weights in a space ship or wasting tonnage on cast iron lol

>>12616880
Good question, it's just sitting there waiting and I don't know what the holdup is.

>>12616906
>>12616898
>>12616879
In case you weren't familiar, this is how you lift in space

ARED on the ISS

>>12616880
in about 3 hours

>>12616919
Retarded and overbuilt, like everything else NASA does
Just send a fucking bowflex up

bros...why does the new test tank welds look mk1 tier? i have a bad feeling bros

Imagine what NASA spent time build this thing

>>12616956
Because they are gonna blow it up so I doubt they are putting their best Mexican welders on it.

>>12616671
Kek, Sam is a one hundred percent match

>>12616919
>>12616960
My god look at that overengineered hunk of shit, probably cost the taxpayer a hundred million dollars. Bet they could have achieved the same results by sending up some big rubber bands. What a joke.

>>12616919
NASA is so gay lmao. I guess the story of them fucking up exercise is well known here, so I will share the story of Sally Ride. She was the first female American in space, and she was slotted to go to orbit only for a few days (as was routine for Shuttle). All the egg heads at NASA had no clue how many tampons to send up, so they initially planned for 100 and asked her if she needed more.

>>12616986
Jesus....

>>12616818
i could see that configuration actually working honestly, although I think it'll be a little more space efficient (but not as claustrophobic as some people would think, you don't want people going insane), pretty much everything seems to be on the right track with the exception of the workout machines. still, working out while looking at the star speckled void of space would be kino

>>12617070
Yeah it's the best layout I've seen so far. Perhaps not perfect, but it does a good job of given you a sense of the actual size of the interior and the possibilities within it

>>12617088
Checked those hitler dubs, yeah it really gives you an idea of just how big starship is

>>12617088
giving
I've been typing like shit all day wtf is going on

Still laughing at the fact that [at least as of right now] Artemis is running on cost-per-kg contracting. Even if they don't choose SS for human landings, Musk will probably give them a deal they can't refuse for cargo and it will mog the competition.

>>12617099
?Starship Super Heavy lifts the gateway and lander in the same launch

>>12616932
>>12616960
Retard, that machine folds flat against the wall and provides a full barbell-based workout. How many genuinely strong people do you see who got their with a bowflex. ARED is a great piece of engineering and perfectly mimics a barbell in a range of exercises.

I just watched the martian movie because manley said it was the best space film in a bunch of his videos and it was reddit.

>>12617127
It's very rare that my description of a movie would simply be

>Reddit

But in this case that was my exact opinion too.

>>12617125
How many bodybuilders went to the ISS, what purpose would you try to mimic a barbell ? As if barbell is the end all be all of lifting?

>>12617133
what about that midnight sky movie or whatever its called

>>12617127
Watch MOON famalam

>>12617138
You can get big biceps using a barbell, big triceps, big forearms, big chest, and big quads. Fuck else you need?

>>12617125
>Muh barbell

Literally who cares. For a hundreth of weight and a ten thousandth of the price of this pile of NASA garbage you could ship up piles of resistance bands to achieve the same end result. Gas yourself redditnigger.

>>12617149
Barbells are cooler, plus I can bludgeon someone to death with it

>>12617150
>>12617148
You're fucking gay and retarded. Enjoy staying on this shithole planet.

>>12617153
Earth has forests which are basically my favorite place so okay.

>>12617138
>>12617149
Think about time you fucking retard. Get a guy doing Squats, overhead press, deadlift, and maybe 1 or 2 accessories and he can strain his whole body enough to stave off bone density loss.

Also, research in space has shown that you have to lift heavy to really maintain muscle and bone health. You cannot lift heavy with a couple fucking resistance bands. Please show me the band resistance exercise that can be done in zero-g that strains the entire body in as time-efficient a manner as doing deadlifts or squats with ARED.

And don't call me a redditnigger you mouthbreathing faggot. I hope your fucking mother gets brutally railed by niggers in a dark alley before they smash a fucking whiskey bottle over her tits and gut her with it.

>>12617160
>Pushing against pistons is totally different to pushing against rubber bands

Back to NASA you filthy Reddit poster.

>>12617165
Please show me the band exercise that strains the body as effectively as a constant weight barbell exercise. Bands do not maintain constant force through the range of motion and you will be missing out on muscle tension.

And don't call me a fucking reddit poster. I've been here longer than you.

>>12617165
pushing against pistons is probably safer, rubber bands don't have enough mass to be passively safe

>>12617170
You're right, NASA has developed the ultimate technology and we will have to pay 50 million dollars for each special 200kg machine for every space endeavour going forward. Only newfags get this defensive about being called redditors, redditor.

>>12617127
honestly, good description lol

>>12616818
Starship is so goddamn huge, it's ridiculous. Crazy to think they scaled down from ITS.

>>12617160
>that can be done in zero G
Just spin the Starship lol
>but muh corolla forces
send sailors who don't get seasick

>>12617176
You fucking retard, stop spouting random numbers. That much aluminum does not weigh 200 fucking kg. Yes, it probably cost a few million to develop. In return you get a robust system that allows for every aspect of the human body to be put under precise, direct load, which was designed for millions of cycles, and can be repeated for much less on future spaceflight endeavours.

What happens if your precious fucking bands snap, faggot? An aluminum exercise rig like ARED is going to last way fucking longer than some chintzy fucking bands. I've been lifting for years, I have bands for warmup before i do REAL exercises, and they wear out pretty fast.

>>12617211
NASA intern detected. SpaceX won't be using your gay shit.

>>12617215
I'm not a fucking NASA intern you spastic nigger. NASA is a shit fucking organization. But ARED is a solid piece of kit. The health of your astronauts on extended voyages is hugely important - if you aren't going to spin up your ships, then you should spend more than a few fucking bucks on dollar store bands on something critical for crew health.

ARED is fucking dope. You're all a bunch of 75iq retards who can't see the importance of having a non-shit resistance training system for extended space travel in zero g.

>>12617184
We weren’t ready for ITS. More room than a man knows what to do with

>>12617226
Lol I'm not reading all that shit you seething reddit nigger.

>>12617226
I wonder how much it would cost to buy another one

>>12617233
kek

>cant find the leaks
>cant stop the leaks
Is the ISS finito?

>>12617237
Nah. To be honest they could probably leave the leak open and it wouldn’t matter too much. Plus if you wanna fix it all you have to do is put some tea leaves out, sea where they float to, and plug it up with duct tape

>>12617244
what if it's behind some equipment

>>12617246
just move the equipment nigga

>>12617249
inside the Russian portion of the space station? a brave man...

>>12617127
>I'm going to have to science the shit out of this.
>No, I will not "turn the beat around"
>I want my code name to be "Glorfindel".
>So, technically, I colonized Mars. In your face, Neil Armstrong!
>Fear my botany powers, Mars!

>>12617252
kek the joe rogan post makes it funnier

>>12617252
I really liked the book though. We need more “modern” space media and not just Star Wars

>>12617273
Star Wars is cool tho because it subtracts from the materialistic atheist fantasy

>>12617278
True but space operas are a dime a dozen.

In strict engineering terms, what's the earliest that we could've had the Falcon 9? AIUI, there're no fundamental material science discoveries on the critical path, which leaves the computery bits - but I don't think even those need to be particularly cutting-edge, and were probably totally feasible by 2000 at the very latest.

>>12617319
80s, probably

>>12617127
I heard they're making a Moon is a harsh mistress movie, but you know they cant resist swapping genders and roles and races. im terrified

>>12617252
Yeah, borderline unwatchable.

>>12616851
>They are going to have a serious testing bottleneck soon
I don't get why they haven't cryotested SN10 yet. Isn't the second pad done yet?

>>12617324
If someone had the balls to make a faithful Forever War movie, I think the twitter salt would sustain me forever

>>12617252
i really wanted to like it too.
i still regret watching it.
then i regret reading it
then i regret reading about people talking about watching and reading it.
i kinda just wish it never existed
i regret myself

>>12617363
I can't decide if his moon colony book was more or less reddit

>>12617363
this is some /rlg/-ass post

>>12616496
Dude it looks like you live in your own trash. Get a grip

>>12617226
A bowflex machine already exists and goes more than high enough for any of these 40+ year olds going to the ISS
Fucking pistons, are you kidding me?

>>12616853
>6 static fires
More like 4/4.5 there's been quite a few incomplete fires recently.
Probably trying to figure out how to best utilize the helium fuel header.

>>12617336
They want the double launch PR

>>12617451
Nooooo you don't understand, you have to buy our hundred million dollar specially milled, heavy as fuck, electronic and sensor laden machine or your astronauts will literally die you stupid racist 4channer, only NASA can do space so leave it to the science™ professionals.

>>12617437
So? Cluttered and comfy, like the nest of a rat

>>12617470
Like a fucking niggers mud hut. Clean your shit up, filthy ape monkey.

>>12617319
Using civilian avionics ~2000.
Using military avionics ~1970.
The biggest thing standing in the way was cost+ contracts that don't encourage the cheapest options.

Do you bros think there's life on Titan? There's an argument that methanogens are living there based on some atmospheric anomalies

>>12616404
Elon is deluded if he thinks regular people will want to go to Mars. He needs to be satisfied with 50k people in his lifetime, most who will be scientists and the odd wannabe Martian who'll do the manual labor. None will stay permanently. But this isn't necessary to get a colony going.

>>12617541
I hope Mars becomes a thriving criminal shithole

>>12617544
I hope that is the vector by which it can actually grow with permanent residents. Imagine you are a pedo/drug dealer who hasn't paid his cartel/criminal who can't get a break anywhere on this damn planet (especially with more and more surveillance).

>>12617533
I think Europa is our best bet for live in our system, still we should check out Titan just in case.

>>12617558
Acetylene and hydrogen seem to be depleted near the surface of Titan, and it's been suggested this is because organisms are metabolizing them into methane

>>12617533
Not yet. It's smaller and colder. Chemical reactions are slower/not possible. Life probably takes several b years to get started there. When it gets warmer it might happen.
>>12617558
I'd give Mars the slight edge for the sole reason that it was seeded from Earth loads of times, if there were never natives.

>Falcon 9 launch today
>tfw no Romeposter to announce the time and remind me to keep mockery of ULA and the jews to the appropriate minimum

So may I make an inquiry pertaining to the allotted date of what we here in Britain call the hopsy-topsy flop and dropsy?

>>12616737
I wonder if there will be a book in the future about the various stuff SpaceX did, told from the inside.
I would love to read about the problems they encountered and how they solved them, basically The Martian but for real.

>>12617544
My own space dystopia would involve the fact that humans are less valuable and more productive than robots for mining asteroids, so we send people to mine asteroids. From this we can get space truckers and Chris Foss style spaceships.

>>12617664
Read ‘The Space Barons’. It goes into the early story of nuspace startups in addition to just SpaceX and talks about some of these little difficulties and behind the scenes. To name a few:
>That one time Elon wanted people to listen to him so he parked a Falcon 1 outside a conference at the Smithsonian
>SpaceX buying scrap shit like the LOX ball and the radars at Boca Chica for a dollar
>The tin snips story
>Also starring: Jeff crashing his helicopter as he bought the land for the New Sheppherd launch site

>>12616384
>2 million total cost per launch
will never be a thing so your entire post is moot

>>12617664
Eric Berger also just released a book "Liftoff" about the SpaceX early years through Falcon 1

>>12617319
even Starship was technically possible since the 70s, maybe with a less performing Raptor

we are half a century overdue..

>>12617731
>will never be a thing

depends entirely on launch rate

>>12617140

launch thread:
>>12617797
>>12617797
>>12617797

143 satellites in one launch! will be exciting.

>>12617801
Why make a separate launch thread, why not just use /sfg/

>>12617806
hello newfriend

>>12617806
how new r u

>>12617801
long falcon is loooong

>>12617806
it's a valid question, the people calling you new are fags. the answer is because launch thread anon is autistic and does it regardless of it making sense or not

>>12617821
you're dumb mate

>>12617812
can you actually explain why launches go an a separate thread? I want to know

>>12617900
because generals fucking suck
because it's always been that way
because it allows for a separate discussion
because then people not in /sfg/ might see it scrolling by randomly
because why not

>>12616583
*bonk*

>>12617355
The Forever War is amazing in that's gone from being progressive when it was written to being reactionary now.

>tfw no marygay gf

>>12617908
also it tends to hit the bump limit very quickly, and usually porks the image limit too
and /sfg/ is usually already past bump limit when a launch happens

>>12616462
Will the legs be long aka qt look or is it going to be some horror show with weird torso?

>>12616671
Musk, Beck, who are the others?

>>12617952
Better question: Are female Moon Wizards called Moon Witches?

>>12617368
His moon book was literal trash. Abhorrent.

FUCK WEATHER

>>12616782
>Counting by spacecraft number is retarded
no it's not
>Kilograms to orbit
also a very useful indicator, can be seen in parallel to number of launches

>>12616536
>>12616555
luckily retards like that one have no voice concerting space operations

How will SpaceX recover?

>>12617994
never

>>12617915
There's a good Forever War comic adaptation by Marvano

>>12617952
Well the reason for people lengthening in space is twofold, the temporary stretching of the body is because joints can decompress and expand, meaning that every joint of your limbs and all your spinal disks expand a bit as they're no longer squeezed by 1G. In the long term, whatever inhibitions placed on the growth of bone caps during adolescence will not exist in a microgee environment and be significantly lessened in a low gee environment.
I don't think we've seen how multiple generations of any animal similar to a human grow or change in microgravity so I couldn't say for sure but I assume lengthening of the body will be proportional, a Martian would just be taller and more slender than the human average by a significant degree.

>>12616846
Like it matters lol, with Starlink SpaceX dominates both utterly. kg is a better objective differentiation though.

>>12617997
woah do zubrin

>>12618007
I'll have to check that out. The fact they just used real space shuttles as the space ships always bugged me, though. Guess it just adds to the 70s vibe.

>>12618023
Zubrin just ends up looking like Biden. :(

>>12618034
how bout this

>>12618034
Why does he look like Robert Callaghan form Big Hero 6?

>>12618037
He looks intense

>>12618039
I hope Zubrin puts on a costume and raids the SLS facilities for revenge.

>>12618050
>BUT WHAT ABOUT THE JOBS!
>SENATOR SHELBY WILL NEVER RECOVER!
>THAT WAS HIS MISTAKE

>>12618050
They are not being honest with his hairline

>>12618054
lol

>>12618056
Disney needs more balding characters to train the AI with.

>>12617211
>What happen if your precious bands snap?
Just send up a few thousand bands for half the weight of the ARED. You can do any barbell exercises with resistance bands, you just have to do more reps. Im sure there will be plenty of time to kill when in transit.

>>12617997
NATIONALIZE

>>12617997
>>12618034
>>12618050
Someone put Hitler through this thing and he came out looking like Elon.

SN9 when?

>>12618075
Who could be behind this????

>>12616362
hey, i made that meme

>Current POTUS tries to cut back NASA human spaceflight
>Shelby pushes back and keeps NASA the same

Redemption arc?

>>12618083
Never, it will fall over tomorrow.

>>12618097
tfw shoulda launched in december.....it's almost february

>>12616782
>. Kilograms to orbit is way better

tons to low orbit (adjusted) per year is the superior metric

>>12618095
The Obama administration pushed commercial solutions and abandoning cost plus, if Biden goes back to that I will sing his fucking praises. If that doesn't happen then I don't give a shit what NASA is doing one way or another, it won't matter in ten years.

>>12617252
Beats that utter trash called "Intersteller".

>>12618027
IIRC the context of the page it's a landing shuttle from a bigger spaceship

>>12618095
>Shelby wants the companies that own him to keep getting funding from NASA
How is this a redemption arc? It's the same old shit he had been doing for decades.

>jew in chief nasa administrator makes an announcement
>sls is cancelled
>all contracts with spacex cancelled
>give them to blue origin
>inb4 we're funding commercial space

>>12618105
>"haha what if they go for the hop at midnight on new-years eve?" -anonymous, dec 2020 (decolorized)

>>12618105
>>12618140
exhaustion

Anyone got recommendations for sci-fi books after reading Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy and The moon is a harsh mistress?

>>12618151
the expanse books
Tuf Voyaging (from george rr martin)
neverending war (joe haldeman)

>>12618095
Shelby doesn't want HSF. He wants boing money.

Tfw gateway coulda been commercial ISS but we missed the opportunity

>>12618151
Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle have good books. Some harder, some softer on the scifi. Some are actually fantasy too.

>>12618151
The Mars trilogy by Kim S. Robinson
The Martian by Andy Weir
(both are pretty realistic)
The Culture series by Iain M. Banks
(Utopian space opera, it's where the names for the droneships come from)
The Forever War by Joe Haldeman
(Space war seen from a soldier, with no FTL)
2001 a Space Odyssey (Clarke), Foundation (Asimov), the 1st and 2nd Ender book (Orson Scott Card)

>>12618151
Rendezvous with Rama.
I also like The Rolling Stones, which does share a connection to Moon is a Harsh Mistress through the character Hazel.

>>12618151
2001, 2010, 2069, 3001 (maybe skip the latter two)
The expanse
The halo novels
Never ending war
Starship troopers
Idk man there are hundreds of great sci-fi books

>>12617997
Big Jim

>>12618171
>>12618186
>>12618190
>>12618187
>>12618196
Friendly reminder that there's a 4-part collection of 100 sci-fi audiobooks up on TPB which has most of these, whole thing is only a few gigs and worth saving just to have your own library to pull from.

i want jim back

>>12618207
We all do anon, I just prey the new guy maintains the "if you don't want to work hard go somewhere else" attitude Tim brought.

>>12618050
Zubrin would probably kill someone for that hairline

>>12616536
*takes six months to fail at drilling a hole in the ground*

>>12618262
>we will vibrate a hole
I have always wondered why they decided on that.
Is it a shitload lighter than just using a rotory drill?

>>12618221
>new guy
OH NO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>12618275
Rotary drills can dull and snap

>>12618262
This is why we need a manned mission to Mars. I don't remember who said it, but "a human with a bucket and a shovel could more than a rover does in a year", or something like that.

>>12617541
>most who will be scientists
I think you underestimate how many people would be willing to go anon

>>12618262
How hard can it be?

>>12618221
Lol no
Democrats hate meritocracy
It will be a stupid black woman

>>12618284
That they can, they can also get through rocks.

>>12617731
Probably not within this decade yeah, sub 20 million per launch launch costs won't come until you have very high launch cadence with multiple launches per day, which requires having to refuel hundreds of starships in orbit for spacex to justify having such a launch cadence, so probably not until the mid to late 2030s-2040s at earliest

>>12618275
I don't know, but extraterrestrial drills may be a thing of the past. They had enormous problems with the drill bits on the moon for doing the exact same job, drilling a heat flow hole.
>>12618285
Probably Jack Schitt

>>12618284
Just take extra bits lmao
>oh wait, it's about fucking robots again
Wow it sure sucks being stuck with a single tool because you lack fine manipulation doesn't it? FUCK robots

>>12618292
In all likelihood the post will be vacant for three or four years, probably for the better.

>>12618292
Ahem

>>12618050
So this is zubrin but 20 years younger

>>12618302
Man I don't know Jack Schitt

>>12618151
Jesus Incident

>>12618151
Dune up to God-Emperor of Dune, after that the books get very schizo, and for the love of god don't write the shitty fan fiction novels his son wrote

>>12618262
What's the problem? We can always send another robot with minor improvements over the next few decades.

>>12618285
thats what i told him but he said if we can't build a probe that can't dig a hole we can't send humans

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1353001518232784898
When asked about when the hop will happen, elon says hopefully next week. Seems like he's satisfied with the static fire. Also he posted this image on twitter yesterday

>>12618344
Thank fuck, I have gotten addicted to rapid testing and I get itchy when I have to go a couple of weeks without a prototype test.

>>12618302
Schmitt looks Indian. A dot Indian, not a feathered one.

>>12618378
Probably just bavarian ancestry.

>>12618151
Heinleins other works (Starship Troopers and Stranger in a Strange Land in particular) are all fantastic.

Rendevouz with Rama is excellent and very hard Sci-Fi.

Ringworld is another must-read sci fi classic.

Neuromancer is more cyberpunk than Sci-Fi, but it has a lot of /sfg/ shenanigans in it anyways. It's also another "must read" kind of sci fi just because so much other sci fi copied it.

Ben Bova has some decently hard sci fi/near future sci fi with a lot of /sfg/ autism in them.

Forever War is excellent, seen some other anons recommend that.

Honestly there is a ton of really good sci fi out there, probably more than any other fiction genre.

>>12618139
Boing gets another 5 billion in commercial crew and cargo funding
No they don’t need to ever launch

>>12618378
He looks armenian, not indian
>>12618398
Bavarians just look like your average white person. Literally the only difference between them and northern germans is that they have less blonde hair. I'm assuming you're joking though.

Oh, the sad, sad ironing
https://youtu.be/T0k19ctWeeo?t=445
>Orbital ATK has named its next space station-bound Cygnus cargo ship the S.S. Gene Cernan after the late moonwalker

Cernan laments that taking clean laundry to the ISS is now a significant headline
After his death his namesake ship is taking clean laundry to the ISS

Won't spam reply, but thanks for all the suggestions anons. Think I'm gonna read all the other heinlein stuff, then decide which rabbit hole to go down. Forever war, culture, and Rama. Mars Trilogy is really good, read that one a while back.

>>12618190
>I also like The Rolling Stones, which does share a connection to Moon is a Harsh Mistress through the character Hazel.
>>12618427
>Heinleins

literally for kids, you are not a discerning adult if you can't realize this

>>12618462
Thank you wise one for correcting our tastes with yours, we'll never make the mistake of enjoying the wrong thing again.

>>12618151
Armor is a good one IMO.
>>12618319
Based, all we need to do to advance rocketry is clone a bunch of chads and autists and make them build rockets or die. Eventually they'll succeed.
@12618462
Faggot

>>12618468
>Thank you wise one for correcting our tastes with yours, we'll never make the mistake of enjoying the wrong thing again.
good

in case you don't you might enjoy telettubies in sapce

>>12618482
You might enjoy cock

>>12618151
Gateway by Frederik Pohl

>>12618323
No offense but Dune is fucking hard to read. I have a high attention span and the only books I couldn't ever bother to finish were Atlas Shrugged, and Dune

>>12618462
You're a retarded negro

>>12618471
That is actually Destination Void, Jesus Incident is what happens after they succeed

>>12618622
lol im sorry if you just realize your feeling smart about reading things for 12 year olds.

>>12618640
Right, DV is my favorite in the series.

>>12618616
both those books are extremely simple, also for kids. You're borderline retarded if you have problems with such simple tasks.

>>12618616
I enjoyed it but indeed it is very dense, I actually read it multiple times focusing on different aspects, like the the story itself, the society, the ecology, etc.

>>12618647
Anon have you ever read them?

>>12618668
I think they might be joking

>>12618344
>hopefully
>next week
NET february fucking confirmed

>>12618454
LMFAO CARRY THAT LAUNDRY GENE AHAHAHA FUCK

Kek, remember when we were convinced SN9 would fly 2 days after SN8? Rip

>>12618692
i think you me TIP :^)

>>12618151
Inverted World
The Three Body Problem
Roadside Picnic

guys....bros......i want to go to the moon and walk around and have fun

This reminds me of the germans making jet engines in a dirt shed

>>12618710
Same, but I strongly suspect I’d immediately want to be back on earth when the novelty wears off

>>12618710
I hope you make it bro

>>12618724
I want to go up there to die.
Everybody dies on the Earth, it's boring. I want to be the first corpse on the moon.
Or Mars, I'm not picky.

>>12617958
McCulloch, Musk, Beck, Shelby, Jessie Anderson, Kate Rubins, Big Jim

>>12618745
Exactly
Fuck old age, when I'm a boomer I hope there are space suicide cruises.

Do you think Elon is into watching Grimes fuck other women?

>>12618774
No. Her only role is an oven for his male progeny.

>>12618774
Legitimately no.

>>12616671
JIM IS GANDOLFINO

1 more year until Elon Musk has 2 adult offspring.

It will be interesting to see their careers. No doubt groomed to head his companies.

>>12618804
Musk accomplished leagues more than his children at their age. the reason why he keeps churning out kids is because he hasnt yet passed on the omega autism. he will continue to temper his sword until the chosen son arrises. it could be baby X, it could be yet to come. the coming of el autisimo musko will deliver us

>>12618804
He's planning to transfer his consciousness to them via Neuralink; like Saburo Arasaka intended to transfer his consciousness to his son via the relic project.

Oh shit that might be true to an extent

>>12618668
yes, in elementary school before i got into books for adults. Dune is ok tier fantasy, nice plot, but its like an entertaining hollywood movie, nice for entertainment but there is no actual deep meaning or interesting take on it, and god help you if you think it's "hard to understand". Atlas Shrugged, as anything by Ayn Rand is extremely low tier logical trolling, undistinguishable from the millions of idiots attempting it since forever but distinguised by the fact it was chosen as an icon for a political movement that targets sad people impressionable people.

>>12618817
Having kids is good; and people who don't have kids are losers.

>>12618773
>space suicide cruises
I'll take the "suicide dive into Jupiters atmosphere" option please.

>>12618825
Hahaha fuck you. What a joka'

>>12618825
What's an example of a book that isn't for kids to you? Do share

>>12618825
BASED

>>12618833
It's not just about having kids. musk has not yet found a satisfactory heir. the more kids he has the more likely one will be as autistic as elon himself. then the future is secure

>>12618842
If You Give A Mouse A Cookie, a clear lessen literally no anon itt internalized as a kid given how quick y'all are with the cheap (you)s

>>12618860
lol

>>12618842
RAMAMAMA RENDEZVOUS

>>12618804
Is Mars going to be ruled by a Musk dynasty?

If he actually goes through with this by having each of his companies ran by one or more of his sons he could create a corporate dynasty that would shit on even the Rockefeller’s.

>>12618893
Hopefully. Although I'm not too convinced Musk is having all these kids for that reason. I think he is just genuinely autistic and really likes kids hahah

>>12618901
>not liking kids

>This punchable face will go to the Moon before you
Life is shit

>>12618910
>I would literally kill myself for a Tesla

>>12618910
It’s fine. I’ve already internalized it and accepted it. It will get normies hyped for space travel which will help with public support
>>12618908
Wtf I love kids. If I had millions/billions I would pump out 20 kids and bring them with me everywhere like an entourage

>>12618910
He looks kind of like Elon if he was somehow still 30% fetus

>>12618924
>Wtf I love kids. If I had millions/billions I would pump out 20 kids and bring them with me everywhere like an entourage
BASED. I have a little dude and two girls. It's no dynasty but I'll get there

>>12618929
Based. You gonna take them to Mars?

>>12618924
>double digit number of progeny
>they all wear color coded clothing and walk single file behind me
>they go to all the business meetings and no agreement gets done unless they all think it’s a good idea
fucking kino

>>12616790
>We should stop technological advancements then reverse it. Ted was right
nah. Then we're guaranteed to be taken out by an inevitable mass extinction event.

>>12618946
So?
Option 1: Humans chill out on Earth and eventually go extinct like every other animal that ever existed
Option 2: Humans go extinct much sooner because they're twisted into inhuman abominations by genetic engineering and cybernetics, if not outright outmoded

>>12618940
Why the hell would I do that? Shit's dangerous, and there's no forests to run around in. They'd be adults by then, anyway. I figure it'll be within my means to go there in the 2040's-2060's, and I'll be old enough that I won't have much else on my plate anyway, so why not do something crazy and adventurous?

>>12618972
Well are you gonna get them (unless you have already) into spaceflight?

>>12618980
Of course. That's one of the reasons I want Artemis to succeed; even if the mission architecture is really fucky and NASA is kind of shit. Look at the TV! There's people on the moon! My dad saw the Apollo missions live when he was really young, and I think it'd be cool for them to see something similar. All I had around growing up was the Shuttle and the ISS, which are cool I suppose but, you know, it's not walking around on other worlds

>>12618910
We need more people in space, even people like this.

>>12618745
>>12618773
guarantee you that in the future we're going to have nursing homes in LEO/moon. Old people will want to be in low gravity to help with their joints.

>>12618855
>>12618817
Musk was forged into something better by an extremely shitty childhood. TBF his children are too cozy to ever rise to his level. Pain is necessary to develop wisdom

>>12619000
That's in that Planetes anime, the moon being used as a sort of hospice center. If you've got to die of incurable cancer, why not do it on the moon? Book your room today!

>>12619006
This is why I browse /sfg/

>>12619000
I was thinking the other day that NASA's diversity crew for Mars missions will be BTFO due to 1/3 g. Look at how hard adult men were working on the moon in 1/6 g, it was strenuous exercise for them. You can't reduce the weight in a space suit enough to compensate for that. Women are going to be dead weight on Mars.

>>12619018
The Church of Musk
On a more serious note though, Musk has really good advice - probably because he has a ton of hindsight. I wish I could sit with him for a day and have him help me figure out what to do with my life. The dude is a savant and seems to be way more in-tune with the real world than someone like Bezos
https://youtu.be/QozgYoekeGc

Will this thing ever fly?

>>12619037
Yeah

>>12619037
Lmao it’s got the lowest tier KSP relay dish

>>12618964
Option 3: Mentally ill faggots plan to kill all humans on Earth after leaving it so independent colonies are never allowed to exist because sane people aren't fucking suicidal so we just quietly peter out over thousands of years.

>>12619046
The only way to stop the tyranny of the elites is to destroy their hive

>>12619049
Look at the cute liddwe martian over here! How's the light lag treating you? Thanks to shitbags like you we'll never have independent colonies Earth will not be forever afraid of. Enjoy the totalitarian nightmare future you've helped create.

>>12619058
>We're never gonna colonize space because of some guy on the internet

>>12619061
Learn to read. Or stop trying to move goalposts/deflect.

>>12619064
I dunno why you think the government cares about vague threads to drop meteors on Earth made by people who will probably never even leave Earth

>>12619074
>who will probably never even leave Earth
>probably
Here's the newsflash: this is enough. Imagine that you're no longer a LARPer but actually live on Mars, a number of people decide they want to split off and a grand total of two of them talk on a public forum which is known to be monitored by alphabet agencies or their martian equivalent about purging Mars of all life capable of talking. Do you think they will get very far? On the off chance there is 0 like-minded retards among those not voicing these ideas?

>>12618616
No offense but you are an idiot
ffs I read it when I was like 14 and I had to pay half-way attention to whatever nonsense the teacher was talking about

>>12619037
I wouldn’t hold my breath. If Soyuz finally becomes untenable, maybe, but I don’t see it happening this decade.

What's that?
You're worried about Kessler syndrome?
Have no fear anon!
Starship feeds solely on space trash!
Future Starship missions will be dedicated to cleaning out LEO in a massive orbital game of Pac-Man!

Fucking hire me Elon this idea is great.

>>12619037
in 2122

>>12619082
>imagine an imaginary fake scenario that doesn't apply to reality

I will use a solar thermal rocket to drop a comet onto the Earth's northern hemisphere, killing hundreds of millions and causing a volcanic winter.

>>12619093
god i so want to be a space trashman

>>12619110
every trashman is in space if you think about it

>>12619114

>>12618924
This except over two hundred.
>>12618993
No. No we do not. I don't want to bring to space those that have made Earth a place to want to escape from. While he himself is not one, I don't want to give them an inch.

>>12619123
Outer space will be full of trans people and PoC, and that's good. :-)
White male colonialism is bad

>>12618070
>you just have to do more reps

non-lifter detected, we will have real lifts in space fuck your faggot bands

>>12619104
>>imagine an imaginary fake scenario that doesn't apply to reality
Like the non-existing EarthGov spending billions for no fucking good reason to control a colony millions of kilometres across the void? I keep seeing this insane theory all the time, yeah.

was wondering how they did it

>>12619037
If the US could stick with a unsafe & massively expensive crew vehicle for 30 years, Russia can stick with a relatively cheap & safe crew vehicle indefinitely. Orel is never happening.

>>12618910
The fact that someone as obviously unqualified as him has a chance at recreating Apollo 8 gives me hope for my own odds of going to space in the future.

How would blood transfusions work in low- or micro-gravity? could you use pic related to squeeze the bloodbag and get the blood flowing through a made-for-earth transfusion kit?

>>12619138
As long as globohomo stays where it is, whatever.

>>12619158
>Having blood in your veins, not Krystal's foot sweat

ngmi

>>12619123
That’s the nature of any frontier. As things become more comfortable, more types of people are willing to go. The good news is the sheer uninhabitability of outer space will act as a natural filter for a long time.

>>12619162

>>12619162
Dis-gus-tan

>>12619172

>>12619162
>Krystal
>anthropomorphized fox
>foot sweat
>sweat at all
The furry is a dumbass, who knew.

>>12619158
no
not without internet connection

>>12619183
Canines do sweat, just not as much as we do

>>12619191
Hahah

>>12619139
>>12619143
apparently the sats will be released in 12 separate waves.

>>12619162
BY ORDER OF THE SENATE
GAIUS ANONYMOUS FAGGOTUS HAS BEEN DECLARED
AN ENEMY OF ROME
ALL GOOD CITIZENS ARE TO DO HIM HARM
IF THEY ARE ABLE

>>12619143
>>12619139
>that empty slot where Vigoride should be
I hate no man...but the FAA...

>>12619215
He will taste the edge of my blade, or the BRAP of my Raptor

>>12619216
Vigoride?

>>12619093

>>12619194
And it is primarily through the pawpads, since there's no fur there.

>>12619027
What the fuck are you talking about? The moon only has a little over 10% the gravity of the earth, it’s easy as fuck to walk around or do anything there, you think it isn’t because they were wearing massive stiff suits that made every movement difficult when people went to the moon.

If people can survive in orbit then they can definitely do it on the moon or Mars.

SN10 briefly peaked out of the high bay before making its way back in this morning

>>12619227
space tug with a really cool water plasma propulsion system (https://momentus.space/vision/).). Some think that these things will be very important in the starship age- moving rideshare sats to their proper orbits

https://momentus.space/services/

>>12618647
Dune isn't a children's novel, I don't know where you got that idea from

>>12619162
back to /sfg/ (space furry general)

>>12619249
>SN10 briefly peaked out of the high bay before making its way back in
Fuckin’ cocktease. Just get on the pad already.

>>12619162
>/sfg/
>/sweaty feet general/

>>12618842
>>12618860
>>12618886
guess that anon was trolling

>>12618910
>tfw a fag like that guy will go to the moon and a chad like pic related never will

>>12619236
Therefore she would have foot sweat!
BTFO

>>12619260
Thats fucking vile I hate you

>>12619249
>>12619259
If Starship comes out of the bay and sees its shadow it's six more weeks of no hops.
>>12619255
Anon, the furries are running the Air Force!

Where are the Raptors made?

>>12619281
Earth, for now

>>12619281
When a mommy Raptor and a daddy Raptor love each other very much

>>12619281
For a serious answer I believe for right now the flow is Hawthorne, CA - McGregor - Boca Chica. They'll probably stop making shit in Cali soon though

Is this true?

>>12619311
Of course; only now the oxygen costs money too, and you can’t be homeless, because you’ll die in the vacuum.

>>12619314
>only now the oxygen costs money too
Not forever kopeng

>>12619279
air furce

Found this interesting. SN12 being scrapped today