/sci/ - Science & Math

The real meme is chess.
Normies think you have to be some kind of evil super genius to be good at it.
Really the top players tend to come from chess families and have been autistically obsessed with it since they were little kids.

>>12612721
based planted and watered statement

>>12612734
No idea what this means but thanks.

>>12612699
Like most things in life. If you're obsessed with something you'll get good at it. Find me someone who is really good at math and absolutely hates it. I'll wait. Practice makes perfect anon, even Orangutans know this.

>>12612699
You can be good at anything, it's just a matter of if you want to or not.

>>12612699
first of all id say >>12612721 ia correct
plus iq tests vary, you might score 110 in one, 140 in another.
also i dont know how good iq represents your overall intellect, it really only tests pattern recognition from what i recall

>>12612807
wrong my nigga but i still love you nonetheless

>>12612699
whats the iq of the person who made the iq test?

>>12612839
no point testing cause he knows all the answers

>>12612699
discipline and hard work > iq
lots of smart yet lazy people out there get nowhere

From what I heard you can get pretty far in chess with a good memory and an autistic dedication to studying strategies and games between top players

>>12612699
I don't know OP. I think he's smarter than he lets on. He just doesn't know how to express it other than in a game.

>>12612699
Bobby Fischer is also supposedly high IQ and he's one of the best players ever.

Online iq tests are a joke and he did it as a joke to go viral. Now as some people pointed out, at the low to mid levels chess is about dedication and hard work. I personally think that high IQ will make the difference in the higher levels.

>>12613324
>Online iq tests are a joke and he did it as a joke to go viral.
I thought this as well but he literally deleted the video

>>12612699
IQ is not intelligence. Its just another score score, like your grades, your Facebook candycrush score or your chess score.
Chesd score=How good at playing chess
IQ score=How good at taking IQ tests

>>12613365
But that is the whole point! You can easily study to score a lot of points in an IQ test. But this guy chose to spend time on studying chess instead. What a complete waste of a mind. Not approved by /sci in the least.

>>12612734
wut

>>12612870
I agree but I'd even go so far as that "autistic dedication" is the key to everything.
Any 100 IQ person who just does X and likes it will outshine everybody else who doesn't focus on that thing.

>>12613375
Why is that a waste? Chess has benefits for good chess players

>>12613394
>Any 100 IQ person who just does X and likes it will outshine everybody else who doesn't focus on that thing.
Indeed but high IQ people will get further faster. So the 100 IQ person is bound to hit a wall at some point.

>>12613632
Dumb cultist

>>12612699
How many threads on the same fucking topic does this board need per day?

>>12613738
10 per day until humans evolve past feeling insecurity

>>12613640
How so? I dint say 100 iq people should stay at home doing nothing. I just acknowledged that smarter people have bigger potential.

>>12612721
COPE

>>12613786
Life is messier than your dumb mantras. All you achieve by thinking like that is typecasting people, kids that are perceived to be smart are pushed into "brainy" fields they may hate and kids perceived to be dumb are told to give up because its pointless. So yeah, you are telling people to sit and do nothing, or do things they hate. Dumb bastard

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>>12613365
Based. Glad to see many on the board no longer buying the IQ meme. Effort and diligence above all.

That said, for that 0.01 percent of the population, that portion which starts calculus at 7 years of age, or which masters the violin at 7 years of age, it cannot be denied they possess a natural intelligence.

>>12612721
The real meme is math.
Normies think you have to be some kind of evil super genius to be good at it.
Really the top mathematicians tend to come from chess families and have been autistically obsessed with it since they were little kids.

I agree

>>12613868
>That said
incorrect. They had special training from a young age.
Most kids spend around 15 minutes thinking about math if they go to a public elementary school.
Almost no kids play the violin before the age of 7.

>>12612734
Are you trying to force a new meme?
You better not be

>>12613886
Physics is the ultimate chad field desu

I've never played a chess game before. But I've heard of Magnus Carlsen, and that's enough to keep me from every getting into chess. Imagine being whomever the guy in OPs pic is and constantly having the thought that you will at most be the 2nd best player in the world. Must be depressing af

>>12613964
Idk he's got like 10k+ subs on twitch. I'm sure he's doing fine.

>>12613964
>i'll never be the best at chess so I won't play
So what do you do then?
It's true that you'll never be the best at chess, but isn't it also the case that you'll never be the best at anything?

>>12613958
PLANTED AND WATERED

>>12612955
bobby is 150+
kasparov is 135

>>12614026
lol google says carlsen is 190.

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>>12614022
Weeded and withered statement

>>12612699
you have a low IQ if you believe in IQ

>>12614028
no carlsen was not tested
you see lots of fake scores like kasparov being 195 and all
kasparov was 135 in an official test
bobby scored 185+ on a variant of stanford test that would be equivalent to 150+ in today's standard IQ tests.

He didn't take an official test, he took that practice Mensa Norway test or w/e which was made by like one person

>>12613964
I mean realistically you will never be the best at anything so in that case what's the point of trying at all

>>12612699
chess is a brainlet tier video game. intelligent people play league.

>>12612721
This. Chess strength is only dependent on how much machine learning/imprinting you got in your wee years. I didn't get any and as a result I'm so bad even a woman could beat me at this stupid game

>>12614721
You can still improve it just takes much more effort.

It's a pretty big meme when you look into it. It's useful for determining how well a person would do for certain activities, but to use it as all-encompassing value for general intelligence is retarded. Not to mention it doesn't show genetic intelligence, since Asians normally score better at IQ tests, due to their pattern recognition skills being improved over years of learning the writing systems of their character-heavy languages.

>>12612699
The premise of this post is so misleading. He got a 102 on an online mensa test while in between online chess matches cause someone in his stream asked him to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGXdp5Xkpcs&ab_channel=Nostradamus

You can see from the video he's only spending like 3 seconds on each problem

>>12614806
he ran out of time

>>12612699
Both are meme

IQ is a meme

Chess is a good game that people associated with intelligence which make it a meme

>>12612699
You’ve heard of “retard strength”?
Now imagine it applied to the brain.

>>12613912
you havent met someone with a 'natural intelligence' its fucking frustrating, everything they try, they succeed, in any field. i met someone that would try something for the first time, and the speed at wich they would learn something new was 2-3X faster then the common people. the geniuses are both obsessive but are also like the person i described above.

>>12614721
>Chess strength is only dependent on how much machine learning/imprinting you got in your wee years.
I think people can learn it if they put a little effort into it but I don't think they will ever reach GM status if they weren't being trained from an early age.

>>12612699
mensa norway isn't accurate for some people that score <115, he should take more tests like the 123test culture fair test to test his matrix reasoning

>>12614806
he ran out of time

>>12613843
You misunderstood what I said, hence you're a dumbass. But with hard work you can make something respectable out of yourself.

>>12614806
He ran out of time, low PSI (processing speed index)

>>12612699
total fucking retarded brainlet meme for hippie coomer forever-alone autists

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>>12613324
ur all retarded. IQ is PROCESSING SPEED. theoretically ANYONE can learn something that an 180 iq mastered. The only difference it took 180 iq 2 days to master chess what will take a normal person years

>>12615887
lol

>>12615887
>theoretically ANYONE can learn something that an 180 iq mastered

>>12613886
The real meme is memes.
Normies think you have to be some kind of super genius to be good at it.
Really the top memers tend to come from meme sites and have been autistically obsessed with it since they were little kids.

I agree

>>12615916
No, they're actually right as far as I know. Human memory is basically infinite. Intelligent people don't learn how to memorise I guess because it doesn't flatter their ego or because they don't initially need it. Knowledgechads have observed that people with literally 80IQs can be quad-lingual and learn to live in multiple societies doing multiple different jobs, and that box-checking midwits can become full professors. You're shooting yourself in the foot if you don't recognise how valuable learning how to memorise (i.e. learning how to learn) is.

chess is a 1v1 iq test

if some alien had an iq of 568 and never played chess they would easily beat cagnus marlsen or nikaru hakamura their firdt time playing after briefly learning the rules.

>>12612699
He started playing from a young age and was being tutored by a chess master on top of that.

>>12616086
Bro I have fantastic processing speed and short term memory and absolute dogshit long term. I've tried a bunch of different techniques and I'm just not great at it so I have to rely on my pattern construction to remember simpler things that generalize better.

>>12612699
Some AI can beat every living human at chess. This is not an accomplishment.

>>12617209
fuck, are you me? I hate how accurate this is.

>>12617290
Not sure what your point is desu.

>>12617290
>some machines can lift more than every human on earth, being strong is not an accomplishment

>>12615748
ironically he is the number one blitz player in the world

>>12615339
I understood you perfectly. See, your ideas are dumb because you can't measure intelligence so your "potential" idea cannot be measured or put into practice. What you say cannot be used for anything nor even seen.
How are you going to measure potential? Retard.

>>12612699
He intentionally threw the IQ test for the memeability. Nobody would remember this guy otherwise unless they are into chess.

>>12614721
if cope was a unit of currency then bezos will be sucking your dick

>>12617717
This. He was fucking around

>>12615887
What's my iq if I can comprehend a videos in 5 times speed?

>>12618786
Irrelevant. Disabled people are using site readers which read the content of a site with 3 - 5 times the normal reading speed. It sounds like jibberish to us but fine to them.

>>12618828
What does iq truly measure? I always assume it was processing speed. Blind people tend to not reach a high level in speed though.

>>12618959
You could just google all your questions. While psychology is a meme, IQ is the only thing noone can reasonably argue over. Its the single most studied subject in the field. It pains me to read some of the answers here.
People with higher IQ have higher procesing speeds. But there is much more.

>>12618975
The simple fact that you can study and increase the score is a factor against IQ. There are books with thousands of practice problems. Do you honestly think grinding out practice problems for years won't max out the score? Why is IQ more special than the lsat, act, mcat or real life accomplishments?

>>12612699
>anon you so genius
>anon here tests
>lol no
>answer anything on the tests
well if you have some machevellian decency you will make sure that no on ever gets a good assessment of your strengths but you.

I always thought I was at least above average intelligent then I took a respectable IQ test and I scored 96 lmao. I speak three languages fluently and I am actually not bad at programming, its like if someone was making me: the character in a game they would just max the verbal/language part with the rest as dump stats - I always struggled at math at school, it took me way longer than my math gifted friends, but at select stuff like probability I again excelled for some reason.

I know I am technically a dumbfuck still but I do also know for a fact that there is an area of intelligence I perform at much better than your average joe nonetheless.

>>12616086
There's more to mastering something than memory, especially when motor control is also involved.

>>12617209
You're lucky. I have fantastic processing speed, and dog shit short term and long term memory.

>>12619072
It's good to know your strengths. Your skill set offers a lot of possibilities in life.

>>12612699
>How much of a meme is IQ?
Goo goo gaa gaa, 4chan is IQ a meme, wipe my bum bum. Am I a meme 4chan, AM I?

>>12612699
>How much of a meme is IQ?
Goo goo gaa gaa, 4chan, is IQ a meme? wipe my bum bum. Am I a meme 4chan, AM I?

>>12615887
IQ is also indicative of the level of abstraction you can operate at. One subset of IQ is working memory, which is essential for abstract disciplines. Similar to ram in a computer, you can be deficient.

You should watch some videos of individuals afflicted with sub-75IQ. They are incapable of very simple tasks like fractional math because they lack the capability to think that abstractly.

>>12620625
I always have to visualize everything in my head when thinking abstract things. From imagining a "movie" when I read fiction, to imgining some complicated visual algorithm with boxes and arrows when I am ready about some political system to literally imagining some rocks or dots when I am counting unless I already know the combination by heart.

I hate this.

>>12620719
*when I am reading
need sleep sorry