/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12610257
Hmm interesting. I would like for you to journal your feelings and meditate on them for about 15 minutes a day.
Also I'm going to prescribe you Zoloft 50 mg qD PO and come back in about 4 weeks.

>>12610274
The psychiatrist I met said I was impaired because I was sitting and meditating in full lotus posture for 30 minutes a day on the floor.

Psychiatrists are drug jockeys given institutional protection. I prefer every street dealer I've ever met to the psychiatrists I had the ill fortune of having to deal with.

>>12610257
They're part and product of the narcissistic and psychopathic religion that is the medical-industrial complex. They're also clamped, vaccinated, and circumcised.

Think of it this way. Go look up the definition of narcissist, then look up factor 1 and 2 psychopathy. Also look up the definition of "golem" and "mentally retarded". There you go, doctors and psychiatrists in a nutshell.

They look at pic rel and see woo gibberish while they wander their stupid brains and bones around using a body that literally assembled itself from a single cell.

The recent thread we had on this had a lot of good posts.

>>12579140

>>12610326
>Also look up the definition of "golem"

They are carefully conditioned tools for profit seeking demons.

>>12610326
>religion that is the medical-industrial complex.

How do we bring about the destruction of this abuse of science?

>>12610257
Damn dude sounds like a grownup didn't want to answer your retarded and transparently hostile question instead of facing you for tournament in open debate like happens in your animes.

>>12610257
chinese anti doctor shilling is getting so weird

>>12610610
>retarded and transparently hostile question

In what way is it retarded and hostile?

Why is conversing with a patient considered too much for thin skinned psychiatrists?

Why did she write a prescription within two minutes of meeting me when I was sitting in bed and in no way expressing violent tendencies?

>>12610619
>>12610610
Shills defending their evil industry.

>>12610655
Checked.

Parasitic Psychiatrists on notice.

>>12610610
Kill yourself.

>>12610610
>>12610660

Uh oh. Now you are having thoughts of suicide. I think you need to take your meds.

>>12610655
>>12610660
lmao always gonna get the (you)s from you guys, is that a part of your menial labor contract or something?

>>12610666
kys yourselveses elves iz
not him bee tea dubz :^)

I've long been suspicious of psychiatry and psychiatrists. And, I've actually been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder - supposedly a less serious version of schizophrenia, prognosis-wise but not with regards to the symptoms. I'm sure there is much mistreatment of patients and the treatment received by many is inadequate or harmful. But, I'd have fared better if I was actually diagnosed earlier and not given inadequate treatment, especially since I lacked insight into my condition until very recently.

The issue being that primary care doctors (GPs) and generally all non-experts (in that illness, not simply psychiatry) have a poor understanding of the illness and of the nature of psychiatric knowledge. It's a very textbookish view of things, that isn't helped by the checklist system of diagnosis. It may be the case that you can statistically detect illness or malingering when comparing to a patient sample, but that patient sample becomes the illness itself and not merely representative of it. Psychiatrists can also have poor understandings of mental illness as they deal mostly with extreme cases, and cases with low IQ or incurable patients. Or they have their own ideas and pet theories, or biases and suspicions that lead them to doubt the honest patient who may not be presenting with all the symptoms for bureaucratic checklists purposes.

The research literature is not all that bad, however. I've managed to learn a lot about my illness from academic research on schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder and even though I sometimes doubt whether I actually have the illness - as I am in partial remission - there is a large amount of research that is uncanny in it's accuracy and relevency to my experience of the condition.

>>12610736
(continued)

Of course, at the end of the day, it's people you have to deal with, and they have sins and virtues and habits and ideologies that determine how they might use and abuse their power - including such characteristics of those around them and the medical bureacracy they all happen to work in.

If you live in a backwards third world country with poor scientific practice and low intelligence/compassion, with sociopathic corporatised health professionals, and not authentic, caring doctors, which includes many parts of the USA and UK, then your probably fighting a losing battle. It'll be impossible to deal with a situation like that without a strong social network to support you, but usually that is far from reality for those with a mental illness.

>>12610736
>The research literature is not all that bad, however.

How much do you think clinical psychiatrists actually read or contribute to that literature?

How many do you think simply get their degree and enjoy writing scripts for profit?

>>12610736
>>12610759
these posts and this whole thread is just psychos saying they hate psychiatrists because "trust me I'm not crazy!"

>>12610759
>If you live in a backwards third world country with poor scientific practice

I honestly feel the nun who came in one day was far more helpful than the PHD psychiatrist that could not connect the most obvious of dots.

>>12610763
>these posts and this whole thread is just psychos

Projection. You are a power tripping sociopath desperate to cling to what little prestige you imagine you have.

>>12610736
schizoaffective is not a less serious version of schizophrenia, it's schizophrenia with another mood disorder on top of it.
A lot of them have zero insight into how fucking deficient and weird they act, how much fucking harm they cause with their psychotic behavior to loved ones, the general public, etc.

>>12610771
damn dude now who's the psychiatrist, look at that dang cold read. you see right through him.

Based
http://settheory.net/psychiatry

>>12610774
>now who's the psychiatrist

Please don't insult me with such a title. I'm a wizard.

>>12610771
>>12610777
t. psycho who's sad he's been called a psycho

>>12610772
this

>>12610257
>What do we do about this malignant tumor on all of science known as psychiatry?
Pretend to be normie until they leave you alone.

>>12610785
A pox upon you for ignoring my triple sevens.

>>12610736
Patients are built around the illness rather than the illness around the patients. The treatment of patients is based on a number of crucial ideas that have little to do with the actual experienced reality of the patients. If you happen to be schizophrenic or schizoaffective, it is normal for psychiatrists to dismiss your perspective completely because of an dogma pertaining to the idea of psychosis that at any given time, psychotic people cannot distinguish a hallucination from reality. It is the same case with sociopathy or autism where an illness was and still is constructed that has little to do with the actual lived experience of the patients.

>>12610788
I thought what I would do is I would pretend I was one of those deaf mutes.

>>12610763
Clamped (obviously).

>>12610790
>>12610802
t. psychos scared of going back to the asylum

>>12610794
The planned construction of mental illness, in the case of ADHD here, is illustrated in these posts which I wrote some time ago and sometimes post in ADHD threads.

>>12610804
Clamped.

>>12610736
>>12610759
http://www.centrebombe.org/Ronald.D.Laing-The.Divided.Self.(1960).pdf

>>12610760
>read or contribute
I'm sure it's small, and serious interest in such conditions may only be a false interest in the 'weirdness' in cultural depictions. The scientific reality, if you could call it that, is a much more boring, to them at least (perhaps disappointing moreso).

>degree ... profit
Most doctors are the most fucking insufferable midwits you will ever know. Medicine in the 21st century is a sure way to secure yourself in the middle class, who'd have thought that this wouldn't attract people of that ilk. Covid has only propped up their 'prestige' with normies. I probably know more about my condition than many general psychiatrists. They aren't all like that I'm sure, maybe ask /med/ for the insider's pov.

>>12610764
Having a PhD is psychiatry is probably a better indicator of being good at studying and carrying out supposedly complex routines (experiments) than 'caring'. Nuns tend to have an interest to help because it's who they are and what they believe.


I'm not going to respond to the rest of the people quoting me because you honestly sound like losers that hate people.

>>12610811
cool psycho
like I care what a psycho thinks
wish we'd lobotomize you freaks and cage you up in institutions again

>>12610818
Clamped.

>>12610257
yaaas everyone should just be free to behave in whatever way they want all the time and act out on beliefs which are objectively false and often destructive and violent or suicidal, we shouldn't ever try to enfore any standard of normalcy
yaas there's no way to objectively decide what behavior is good and what is bad it's all relative
yaaas defund the police fire to the prisons metrics are racist my mental illness is a white supremacist invention to marginalize me because I'm actually better than everyone else
yaaaas

>>12610820
lobotomized

>>12610794
>little to do with the actual experienced reality of the patients
>normal to dismiss perspective

Therein lies the problem. Why is this perspective overlooked - can't it contribute to research?

Also, that misses the point I was getting at. The research I was mentioning was stuff like measuring patient responses to certain tasks/tests/games to see if there was a statistically significant difference between the patients and a control. Obviously, such results can only distinguish, if replicable, those specific 'types' that were the patient population - as well as the control for that matter.

>>12610834
Yes, they clamp and vaccinate. We've been over this.

>>12610831
Clamped.

>>12610831
What does any of this have to do with the validity psychiatric treatment? This is the most simplistic bullshit response imagineable. Total clamp cuck apologism, you're like a slave right now, now thought at all.

>>12610814
What's this?

>>12610831
>>12610834
>>12610840
>>12610841
>>12610843
>>12610848
Clamped.

>>12610862
Unclamped take.

>>12610840
>Why is this perspective overlooked - can't it contribute to research?
1. Scientific rigour. If it can't be measured and put into an excel document, it's not science (c). I ignore the philosophical implications arising from this.
2. The companies/institutions that commission these studies are usually interested in how to monetize mental health issues or how to reduce the economic impact of these disorders.
3. The biomedical model of mental illness as an actual illness that can be physiological identified allows a liberal society (the one which exists since the 18th century) to exert social control on participants without relying on legal codes.

There's lots more of reasons. Stigma, dogmas etc.

>that misses the point I was getting at
It's not missing the point at all. Constructing an illness means forcing patients to conform to the idea of this illness. It also means that studies must conform, to some degree, to those expectations. This is not how science is supposed to be done but this is sadly the case. It is completely normal for scientists to disregard conflicting evidence, to select against studies/patients that do not easily conform to their idea of what they must suffer form.

>>12610831
Can humans even comprehend what a normal human might be, or is it even comprehendible. Does a 'normal' exist?

'Normal' behaviour, because these questions are not answered in your favour, is an authoritarian concept. 'Normality' as a concept can only be used to control through justification. You actually are justifying the control of behaviour so that it is within acceptable bounds. You did not determine those bounds, but because you live seemingly happily within them, you feel empowered to reduce and dehumanise those who don't fit your ruler of holiness, which was given to you by your overlords.

You come across as a conservative by you comment on white supracism, but like many conservatives you are conservative only in the effort with which you think and the compassion you treat others with.

>>12610804
I'm certain the psychiatrist is more afraid of me than I am of her.

I helped patients more with words in a few days than she has in her entire career with heavy handed medications. The asylum was a fucking vacation and I am eager to verbally wreck her ego again.

>>12610887
I see, you weren't actually advocating for that state of affairs but identifying it.

>>12610834
It's every psychiatrist's dream to turn people better than them into zombies.

>>12610831
This is the level of rhetoric that can defend psychiatry.

Pathetic and childish.

>>12610814
>>12610861
Ronald David Laing (7 October 1927 – 23 August 1989), usually cited as R. D. Laing, was a Scottish psychiatrist who wrote extensively on mental illness – in particular, the experience of psychosis. Laing's views on the causes and treatment of psychopathological phenomena were influenced by his study of existential philosophy and ran counter to the chemical and electroshock methods that had become psychiatric orthodoxy. Taking the expressed feelings of the individual patient or client as valid descriptions of lived experience rather than simply as symptoms of mental illness, Laing regarded schizophrenia as a theory not a fact. Though associated in the public mind with anti-psychiatry he rejected the label.

It's a good book. Might call it a self-help book for schizoz, or for normies trying to understand what it is to be schizo.

>>12610980
Oops. wrong pic.

>>12610980
>It's a good book. Might call it a self-help book for schizoz

Sounds like something that should be mandatory reading for psychiatrists.

>>12610980
Sounds interesting. Wouldn't it be fairly outdated though?

>>12610996
I'm not gonna be able to convince any head srinker to read that.I'm posting it here in the hopes that someone might read this and make his own life better.

>>12610988
The incomplete being described therein is tragically relateable.

>>12611012
>Wouldn't it be fairly outdated though?
It's more or less a book of experiences and existentialism, not of clinical and biological theories. Dosen't seem, to me, like the kind of thing that would get outdated.

You do get some references to ruskies and the atom bomb in the introduction (and how politicians seem to him more insane than may of his patients), but that's about it.

>>12611065
Cool, I'll put it on the reading list. I was coincidentally reading about pseudoscience and the replication crisis earlier today before this thread was created.

>>12611027
>I'm not gonna be able to convince any head srinker to read that.

I understand. I tried to convince a headshrikner to read, "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" but of course, challenging their own beliefs is beyond such malignant cancers.

>>12611574
Repeatedly bring up circumcision trauma (preverbal trauma). Turn it back on him.

>>12611580
Unfortunately it was a she, meaning she got subconscious pleasure from such thoughts.

Psychiatry is full of sadists.

>>12611715
I remember in 8th grade they were teaching us about "WW2" (ie about Jews and the Holocaust horror-porn narrative), and the German-Jewish teacher, older woman, asked the class how the Germans identified Polish Jews. Long silence, finally one kid speaks up, "uh... they were circumcised". She almost gleamed, "yes that's right." seeming almost giddy and knowing full well most of the goy boys had likely been circumcised, despite not being Jewish. She definitely derived a twisted pleasure. You're probably right in that this is quite common.

>>12611734
The medication she took me to court to forcibly prescribe me (after 2 minutes of evaluation where I made no comments suggesting threats to self or others) had the side effects of increased sexual desire and decreased sexual performance in men. When I pointed out that this was torture, she squirmed in a mix of guilty pleasure and shame.

To any pathetic psychiatry students, I can tell from body language and the way her knees pressed together she derived a sexual pleasure from such a mix of 'side-effects'.

Rotten people, to the core.

When I was 16 I had got really pissed off at everyone gaslighting me as a "creep" and everyone shoving the "ur autistic lol" crap down my throat so I said some really stupid shit, cops came to school, I had to go to the inner-city time-out bin for a while, then I was released and I was expelled from school forever and they refused to enroll me in their homeschooling program unless I was formally diagnosed as an autist and my parents are idiots who believe them before me so instead of paying a few hundred bucks to get a diploma elsewhere they did this bullshit.

I had to visit a psychiatrist. I did all the tests, I was normal in all fields except for social interaction. I'm from the mountains so I never had many opportunities to socialize growing up, stunting my social skills until adulthood. After the tests my mother was approached by five shills trying to give me gimp services and other crap and my mother listened to it all. These people treated me like I was a retard. This visit lasted 8 hours. That day, the psychiatrist signed the school papers but made me come back every month or so, this office was 50 miles from home. She kept trying to give me anxiety medication, kept trying to gaslight me as being anxious and depressed, it was annoying. When it came time to sign the school papers again she made me go to a "social group" or she wouldn't sign them again. 100 mile trip every two weeks to be condescended for being an autist, you couldn't talk to the other autists either it was just Jewish print-off activities. After my last forms were signed I never went back.

In my opinion, autism is a label neglectful parents use to excuse themselves for their bad parenting, for schools to absolve any responsibility for letting you be socially retarded along with an excuse to sadistically watch your mistreatment on all levels and as a way to gaslight anyone who hasn't immediately adopted the NPC programming. The best cure for autism is to just leave and do better. Seriously.

>the tard wrangler was mean to me wahhhhhhhhhhhh

>>12611826
They identified and appealed to my control oriented personality and need to numb, chameleon, or escape, and disregard for survival, to finally get me to take amphetamines. It took several weeks of wearing me down, but having experience the truest gateway drug (coffee), the idea finally seaped in "I'll use this as I please". And indeed, I did. Fortunately I stopped the same way less than a year later.

I knew they were trying to push their notions at the time, but looking back it definitely was a predatory and very deliberate process..

>>12610900
>conservative in the effort with which you think and the compassion you treat others with
fucking brutal man. Nice use of language.

I argue that your point about defining normalcy is somewhat flawed. It is essential in a large and closely populated society that we have some sense of "normal" behavior. This is the keystone to which all other aspects of society rest. My faith that those around me are normal in their application of rationality is the reason that I can drive my car, shop in a grocery store, and go to class. If people didnt exist in normal bounds of behavior then my picking up a broccoli sprout in front of someone in the supermarket could get me stabbed and killed (an example of irrational and not normal behavior).

There must be some delineation of who behaves as acceptably rational actors and who do not. Those who do not have broken the social contract and have no place in society as they are. While I agree with the sentiment in the thread that psychiatry is greatly flawed, I am very thankful that for many would be homeless lunitics rampant medicating has kept these people functioning in fashion that I can safely engage with them.

i call you all autistic ironically but i keep forgetting that i'm literally surrounded by real autists everyday on 4chan. i guess it's just normalized here. if this were the "control" then no wonder normies stand out so much to us here. we would be the ones diagnosing them as autistic.

>>12611826
>In my opinion, autism is a label neglectful parents use to excuse themselves for their bad parenting, for schools to absolve any responsibility for letting you be socially retarded along with an excuse to sadistically watch your mistreatment on all levels and as a way to gaslight anyone who hasn't immediately adopted the NPC programming.

They all accept being a lemming and attack you for being an individual.

Together we can bring this disgusting system to ashes. May it die an agonizing death.

>>12610257
psychiatry =/= psychology

>>12611935
>I am very thankful that for many would be homeless lunitics rampant medicating has kept these people functioning in fashion that I can safely engage with them.

I think you have deeply repressed issues that you imagine that without rampant medication you would get stabbed at a grocery store.

That's likely projection of your own inner aggressions.

>>12612160
We've only been discussing people who think they have the right to manipulate other peoples' brain chemistry based on guesses and without any sort of deeper personal character.

Psychiatry is a study for easily manipulated fools.

>>12611574
The movement currently needs mass attention and for prominent individuals to be affected by psychiatric assaults

Since doctors are all betas however, these assaults are stereotypical of abuse through power dynamics

Carrie Fischer is basically the only celebrity to have any material about her antipsychotic usage
Keep this in mind, it is an abusive system and thus avoids being abused in turn by subverting what treatment is.

Torture for the pleb, anyone else is just doctor fishing
>the masses will remain ignorant until the wrong person is lobotomized

>>12613484
Well, we can at least make sure the intellectuals on this board are kept aware of the threat posed by psychiatry.

It's also funny to see the attempts to defend it ITT. People so pathetic they think being questioned by your patient is an attack. People who have lived a lie their entire lives.

>>12610257
I agree.

People that need psychiatry should really just be fired/jailed/euthanized, whatever is needed to fix their malfunction.

>>12610257
Psychiatrist here.
Clearly your question was hostile and you got the right answer.
Also, keep coping.
Also, AMA

>>12610831
We would have to lock up half of the country based on the reactions to covid.

>>12610257
Bring back lobotomies and loonie bins for schizos.

>>12613608
Did you choose psychiatry to help you figure out what it means to be human?

>>12613608
>Also, AMA

How was such a question hostile?

Why are psychiatrists so think skinned they cannot handle such an easy question.

Here's a hostile question:

"Why don't you kill yourself?"

Keep coping with the fact your entire field of study is a trap to turn midwits into drug dealers for big pharma.

>>12613655
Checked and wrecked.

>>12613579
>People that need psychiatry should really just

Be guided to a religious figure capable of talking through their problems

Clearly, psychiatrists think talking cannot solve anything, but that's because they are too stupid to use their tongues effectively.

>>12613665
>Be guided to a religious figure capable of talking through their problems
I don't know about protestant-fags in general, but talking to a priest can't be worse than going to a head-shrink.

>I'm a schizo and disagree with having to be treated
>psychiatry is a tumor on science
its not lmao, take your meds

>>12613698
the disagreement is how we're treated
it's not that we're forced to take meds
we're forced to take meds that don't work or do more harm than good

>psychiatiry is a tumor on science
yes it bloody is

>>12613705
its the best way that is currently available, untreated schizophrenia can shave off 10-20IQ off you in the span of a decade or two. Just take the fucking meds because every time you get psychosis your brain literally eats itself.

>>12613731
t. glowie

>>12613731
no, it's not the best way that is currently available. that is what we are trying to get across

We accept that the medications work, for a few. but even that Cochrane guy who got kicked out recently speaks about the severity of the medications and alternatives that work

If that were the case, why don't people speak more about mri or ct scans and just shut the fuck up. because the damage is negligible, its not alzheimers and for those serious cases yes, we accept that medication is needed

Not for all of us
the analogy is simple, bacteria and handwashing. it was just the norm at the time and in psychiatry, we are recognising the same kind of malpractise

im tired

>>12613608
>>12610610

It is extremely telling that psychiatrists consider being asked if they have ever refrained from writing a script as hostile. It should be easy to say, "yes," but because they are all high on their super power of being able to shove pills down the throats of strangers they cannot imagine not using it.

You are seriously mentally ill.

>>12613698
Learn proper grammar.

>>12613731
>everyone is schizophrenic and needs meds

You are paranoid.

>>12613637
No
T. Psychiatrist

>>12613655
/thread right?
literally nothing else in the topic

>>12613655
You went for help, they offered you a suggested treatment. Take it, leave it, or negotiate it. Every other questioning outside this interaction between you and the professional is inadequate and you have no right to get an answer. It was hostile because you were implying exactly what you explicitly posted here, OP, and everyone not retarded or autistic can get it.
Keep coping and I hope you get help with your mental health issues.
T. Psychiatrist

>>12613787
If you say so
T. Psychiatrist

>>12613877
>T. Neet*
ftfy
Every other questioning outside this interaction between you and the professional is inadequate and you have no right to get an answer.
the fuck would you know jeet? you never even got a real degree

>Psychiatry bad
>t.schizo

>>12613698
Clamped, vaccinated, circumcised.

>>12613731
That's what they told bipolar people, then they gave them drugs for their lithium shuffle and flattened affect. Get rekt clamp cuck.

>>12613877
>You went for help

Wrong. I had someone sign a petition against me as an attack. I refused to sign consent forms and the psychiatrist threatened me with ECT. She took me to court to force her meds on me after observing me for 2 minutes.

>you have no right

It's called the 1st amendment. The fact you find this question so hostile shows you are a sociopath that is hostile to patients.

>Keep coping and I hope you get help with your mental health issues.

Right back at you, scum.

T. Your better.

>>12613877
>It was hostile because you were implying exactly what you explicitly posted here

It wouldn't be hostile if you didn't have a god complex and felt you had the right to force medications on everyone around you. Like I said, if you were a real doctor you would be able to say, "Yes." Instead you take offense at having a patient treat you as an equal.

>>12613877
Btw, you said AMA.

You failed to answer why you don't commit suicide.

>>12613934
This is spot on. It's about equality. Anything which demands or implies equality, which is not on their terms, is a direct assault on their Godhood. They think what, YOU are questioning ME? You think you can know GOD? I am so far removed from you, you couldn't possibly understand anything. No. I must break you of this. I have found your problem. You need to be drugged and go back to your life, the problem is that you think you are special, and really you must accept the natural order. I shall punish them, but it is for their own good.

>>12613955
>They think what, YOU are questioning ME?

Pretty blatant ITT that psychiatrists believe they are above being questioned.

I pray they suffer for their arrogance.

>>12613962
I don't know what must be done with them. That they need to be functionally nullified is obviously the core, but what that looks like is another matter. We could do an ol' Ewen Cameron on them. Bit of torture, break the flawed bad object down to raw material, mold it like clay, and make them anew.

More realistically, there would be some gradual shift and awakening which would change or discard them naturally. However that doesn't sate my need to force everyone to know, so they would need to be publically humilated, shamed, and punished. They would be seen as the shined up gutter trash they are, and their tracks wouldn't work on anyone, anymore. Ironically awareness of narcissism and psychopathy is probably the ideal vehicle for it, though obviously they're angling at using it to shame and shut down anyone who isn't a robot doing what they're told.

Many things. Yes. Even if it is true that they have their own stories and know not what they do, I also want them to suffer greatly.

>>12613980
>I also want them to suffer greatly.

They have earned it.

Thread theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cvKcMbzN_A

The lyrics fit the mindset of psychiatrists perfectly.

>>12614176
Nah this is the thread theme
https://youtu.be/SuNRopIJRgo
Love shocking you crazies into reality :^)

>>12614176
These come to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMi_lTGkRWY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm7JMNlymj4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2xAxZ7miYU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XumMU64M1A

>>12614186
>Love shocking you crazies

Clearly a sign of a healthy mind. You just said you love torturing people.

I pray to God you suffer said torture a thousandfold.

>>12614304
I pray to God you psychos never come in contact with any children.
Also learn English.

>>12614309
Circumspeak.

>>12610776
For shits and giggles I took a look at the website. The guy has an erratic writing style, but I kept reading and noticed that he mentioned having cured an issue of his with "Boji stones", which I assume are magic stones of some kind?

Guys, what's going on in this thread isn't science.

>>12614309
You admitted you are a threat to others.

You call everyone psycho because you are projecting your illness onto everyone else. I pray for all the patients you have no doubt hurt.

>>12614330
>what's going on in this thread isn't science.

It's war against the tapeworms known as psychiatrists.

I love seeing these worms try to defend themselves and in the process prove how reprehensible they are.

>>12614330
It's schizos from /x/

>>12614338
Clamptalk from Circumspeak.

>>12614344
Hey Mr schizo, stop fucking kids. Thanks

>>12614356
Says the guy who spnds his time trying to coerce, groom, penetrate, and figure out what material to put inside of children. Pure alloplastic defense, as usual.

>>12610771
>Projection
you mean the defense mechanism psychiatrists believe in?

>>12614344
Dubs of the human genome. That other turd is imagining torturing children now. What a sick mind.

>>12614367
The notion of defense mechanisms predate pharmacy. Stop being clamped.

>>12614367
Yes, I mean the thing figured out by psychologists and believed in by anyone who studies the human mind.

Psychiatrists are incompetent.

>>12614376
projection is a term and concept thought up by freud
>>12614378
so you're anti psychiatry but are fine with psychology (and after changes) would be ok with psychiatry?

>>12614365
Projection

>>12614376
Lol no they don't
Pharmacy is thousands of years old
Your reality is so weird

>>12614385
>are fine with psychology

In the pure meaning of the word, of course. This is a science board and the study of the human mind is fascinating. Many psychologists also do harm to their patients, but at least they aren't power tripping so hard they find glee in electrocuting helpless people.

>(and after changes) would be ok with psychiatry?

I think the drugs have a purpose. I don't think psychiatry as an institution is salvageable. It is too far gone and needs to be put in the grave.

>>12614401
interesting, at the risk of sounding hostile myself what're you basing your beliefs and opinions on? just your personal experience?

>>12614407
Because I went to an asylum for fucking some kid and now all I can do is post on 4chan

>>12614413
come on lad I'm actually trying to talk to him

>>12614407
>just your personal experience?

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest is a national classic for a reason. It did not get elevated to the level of 'The Book of Job' for getting it wrong.

That question is not hostile at all, it's a reasonable extension of the conversation.

>>12614416
You're a nigger

>>12614413
Pretending to be a child molester to defend your rotten profession is pretty low.

>>12614416
Do you think one flew over the cuckoos nest is still an accurate representation of the field? what country are you in, when did you last stay in a mental hospital and for how long?

>>12614416
Hoe many kids did you fuck?

>>12614422
>Do you think one flew over the cuckoos nest is still an accurate representation of the field?

I think it's gotten worse since that book was written.

I stayed at a mental hospital during last Thanksgiving for 3 weeks. I could have gotten out in 1 week if I had just signed the consent forms and taken the meds they forced on me after spending more time to the person who used a petition as a legal attack on me than observing me.

>>12614392
The only pharmacy that's "thousands of years old" is traditional herbalism and some limited cases of using mercury and other metals. Alchemy and modern chemistry (psychiatry) as a mode of "healing" is clamp cuckoldry no older than a few hundred years.

>>12614390
You're projecting right now. You're reframing to stay in control. Everything is about control. There, gotcha, rekt and 0wn3d. Now take your meds. Physician, heal thyself.

>>12614385
The term was thought up by Freud, but I'm sure "you accuse me of what you yourself do because you cannot stand your own reflection" is a lot older. Ancient mythology is full of hipocrasy.

>>12614435
>spending more time to the person who used a petition

Talking to the person*

Also I am in the USA.

They don't even know if you have a chemical imbalance. These quacks just throw sit at the wall, bumbling like retards. Throughout many years of pill pushing and not even a simple test to see if it's right.

>>12614435
since you said thanksgiving assuming US, 3 weeks is a relatively short stay, what did they believe was wrong with you? also for what it's worth it's not the same everywhere in the world I don't think your personal experience is enough to write off all of it though I do understand the anger since mental hospitals can be very traumatic

>>12614445
Chemistry is clamped now? Lmao
Same with math, physics, and biology too?
People like you are delusional

>>12614453
>Throughout many years of pill pushing and not even a simple test to see if it's right

They do not practice science or medicine. They aren't interested in experiments or helping people. They do rote work handing out drugs and forcing their wills upon strangers.

>>12614453
They (wilfully) confuse effects with causes, and therefore build up their whole religion on uncaused causes. Chemical imbalance is an uncaused cause, which is why modern day they have no choice but to jump to blaming genetics.

It's really simple to see through these people when you trace it out and learn their game.

>>12614459
He was in there for attempting to rape his little sister. He's talked about it before on 8chn.
He's a pedo rapist

>>12614461
Chemistry for the purposes of psychiatry is clamp cuckoldry.

>>12614459
>3 weeks is a relatively short stay

It was a much longer stay than every other patient I met. They tend to have a very short turn around at that hospital...As long as you just sign away your rights. As has been said, it's all about control.

> I don't think your personal experience is enough to write off all of it

But it's not just my personal experience. What is the OP picture? This is clearly a widespread experience as evidenced by the many posters ITT that have been hurt by these Tools for corporate profits.

>>12614475
>What is the OP picture?
a shot of a fictional film based on a book written in the 60s, which is now 60 years ago
>As long as you just sign away your rights.
What did you do? what did they say was wrong with you? it seems you're ignoring these questions

>>12614475
Why do you post here and shit up good threads? Why not find some support group elsewhere?

>>12614483
>What did you do?

Defended myself when my father attacked me. I was cornered and he attacked me and I pushed him away and my mother (a nurse her entire life, so she understands the petition process) signed a petition against me.

They said I have Bipolar 1. I'm 31 and this is the first diagnosis I have ever been given and it's pretty much "your mood changes sometimes." They have a problem with basic human expression.

You are the one ignoring a mountain of people crying out about abuse. You try to put it to the experience of a single person when I can use a book that has resonated with millions.

You are afraid of repenting.

>>12614498
>You are the one ignoring a mountain of people crying out about abuse
Could you post a link to the study you're referring to?

>>12610257
Real medfag here.
I hate you psych patients for existing and being absolutely insane assholes who have to ruin everybody's day.
And I hate psychiatrists even more for sending consults to me. If the psych patient isn't going to take their psych meds, how the fuck am I supposed to get them to take their statin.
Fucking hate both of you.

>>12614498
He's trauma bonded. So because he can't face his pain he chooses to carry it out on others, so he can eliminate contrast, and therefore feel comfort.

>>12614504
Clamped. Lack of big picture thinking means you're basically a reflexive animal.

>>12614504
>Fucking hate both of you

A great mindset for a doctor... Much mental health.

>>12614511
I don't give a fuck about you psychos or you psychiatrists. Whichever one of those crazies you are.
Just fucking leave me alone and let me operate on and advise people who actually aren't wastes of space instead of wasting my time with some benzo addict crying about how doctors and teachers are mean to her. Go commit suicide then love. For fucks sake.

>>12614503
>Could you post a link to the study you're referring to?

Are you blind? What do you see in this thread?

I will tell you what I see. I see many intelligent, cogent, well typed posts speaking about the fraud that is psychiatry.

Then I see posts flaming and angry full of hatred and vitriol mindlessly attacking the former. The display of the apologists is more effective than my own experiences.

>>12614523
>What do you see in this thread?
no a mountain of people crying out about abuse since there's at most 26 people in this thread

>>12614516
Don't give a damn about mental health. If you're screwed in the head, then you're screwed. Ain't my problem. Some other bastard can deal with those poor fucks. Inevitably both the psychiatrist and his patient gonna end up around the street corner drunk as all hell begging a prostitute for some attention

>>12614521
You were made by psychos, clamped golem. Hence, "big picture". Look at the architects of your system.

>>12614531

I see math and statistics isn't your strong suit. There's also a link to another recent thread with the same topic. That's called a sample. Extrapolate. But this wouldn't be the first time I gave a psychiatrist's intellect too much credit.

>>12614532
why do you hate psychiatrists so much. Are you a ct surgeon?

>>12614540
I'm not a psychiatrist and the other thread had 62 posters, this brings your total sample size to 200 people, do you think that's representative enough to criticize an entire field?

>>12614532
>Ain't my problem.

If you were a good doctor you would consider your patient's well being to be your concern.

But you went into medicine for $$$.

>>12614551
I went to help people like my grandpa who died of a heart attack. Just because I'm a doc doesn't make me a saint you twit. I don't love everybody. That's Jesus' problem. Love most of my patients, hate quite a few.

>>12614550
>do you think that's representative enough to criticize an entire field?

When combined with personal experience, and a book that was elevated to gospel in a decade...

100 people is also a pretty decent sample. And the weight falls heavily on the side of it being a fraudulent field.

>>12614563
I thought schizos were supposed to be good at math.

>>12614560
I never said you have to love all of your patients. I said good doctor's see their patients well-being as their responsibility and understand that they do not get to choose who sees them.

>>12614569
Look mate. I can tell you've never worked in the medical field.
You know what's the most important thing to a doc? It's time.
You have to be efficient, you have to see a whole load of poor bastards each and every day, the fucking admins above you keep telling at you to be faster and faster.
Medicines not like how it is in the movies or on the telly.
Anyone who wastes your time is a liability. It means one more patient who couldn't be seen, it means a patient who dies of cardiac arrest because you couldn't make it on time, it means an operation that takes too long and leads the patient awakening from anesthesia or going into adrenal crisis and shock.
If the patient doesn't want my help, I don't want to see them.
You get it now mate?

>>12614592
t. slow ass fresh grad surgeon

>>12614494
Please answer my q >>12614563

>>12614596
Haha. Are you my preceptor? Or one of the kikes giving me a review?
Fucking hell. Need another drink.

>>12614606
The surgeon drunk. A classic. You're probably a psychopath as well.

>>12614592
Based cynical surgeon.

whats to be done? how do we martyr someone?

>>12614615
He’s not wrong, but you still should not stop caring about the outcomes of your patients. Even if your patient is just gonna go shoot up as soon as they can leave ama.

>>12614592
>If the patient doesn't want my help, I don't want to see them.

That's fair. Part of this discussion is the fact Psych's feel entitled to 'helping' people who don't want their care.

>fucking admins above you keep telling at you to be faster and faster.

Sounds like this is your real problem. Rather than channeling your aggression at sick people you should be channeling it at the people making you sick. Because I hate those admins for giving the wrong people too much power.

Under the circumstances that i've had interacting with psychiatrists, I have no problem with them. They haven't been coercive at any time. Schizophrenia is the purest hell and i'm glad for what they do for it

>>12615041
>Schizophrenia

Interesting how much that word comes up despite it being relatively rare...

Tell me about your experience with schizophrenia and getting it treated. How were you introduced to the psychiatrists?

>>12610257
We should force videosurveillance on every public facility (open to every taxpayer) so that not only will we be able to see every stage of food processing, but also every clerk or doctor doing their thing.
We have to audit asylums for Semmelweises and other sane people taken away as crazies to make them shut up or to take their property.

>>12615198
This is one good argument for creating God.

>>12615268
But for real this time. I've been suspecting for some time now, that humanity itself is the collective messiah. In tHIS image.

>>12615377
Blasphemous
May God forgive you for your illness

>>12615185
Well I started to hear voices, which seemed like schizophrenia to me more so than what else I might think it might be. So I went to the hospital. I drove myself there at night and admitted myself to the mental ward. I don't remember much, it was a while ago.They put me on a shot. Then they didn't put up extended argument with me when I was going off the meds when I felt I had to

>>12615380
google dnst3

>>12615377
Sometimes I forget that everybody here is like 16 years old, and then I see posts like this

>>12615476
I'm 15 for decades now.

>>12615416
Stop your blasphemy before you die

>>12615498
Even your kind was not just lying off their assets as usual, but if you were chosen, but by who, and for what?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Shaddai
https://translate.google.com/?sl=iw&tl=en&text=%D7%A9%D7%93%D7%99&op=translate

>>12615538
Enki and Enlil. All angELs names end with EL. Likewise with other words like tempEL.

>>12615550
>Likewise with other words like tempEL.
And incel, duh.
-el is just a common suffix, probably shortened "like", in greek and russian L even looks like ^.

>>12610257
Does constitution in your country allows for killing a person in defense of somebody's life?

Patients are too weak for self defense, and they are being constantly ... weak for self defense.

>>12614560
>I went to help people like my grandpa who died of a heart attack
>get them to take their statin
Congratulations, you aren't helping anybody. You're part of the underlying cause but you're there to treat the symptoms (for a hefty price of course). You're such a saviour.

>>12614560
Based

>>12615570
>Does constitution in your country allows for killing a person in defense of somebody's life?

Yes, but unfortunately hospitals do not respect the law.

>>12610257
Is there anything to save in psychiatry? There are some ideas that originate in psychiatry that are so wrong, and yet, so pervasive (and persuasive?). Not only these ideas are pseudoscience, worse, they are mainstream pseudoscience. Take for example the concept of psychosomatic illness. It is so vaguely defined that, basically, any illness that we don't understand can be (and often is) classified as psychosomatic. Remember when stomach ulcers where considered psychosomatic? Turns out it was a bacterial infection. Oops! I don't think there even is a "proven" psychosomatic illness, (ulcers, before that mad Aussie doctor came along, where considered a "model" psychosomatic illness, maybe "the" model), the whole concept doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I don't know the whole field of psychiatry, but if a field holds views that are so unscientific, that doesn't imbibe me with confidence.
I think that there are some good psychiatrists out there, but there is too much nonsense in the field.

/sci/ - Scientology

>>12616354
They had to be right on something to lure all those rich faggots. Just as any other religion has it's grains of truth in the soup of bullshit.

>>12613655
>Keep coping with the fact your entire field of study is a trap to turn midwits into drug dealers for big pharma.
Ouch!

>>12613921
>Waa they made me take my pills
LOL cope harder
You have the right to ask. Not to get an answer. Also, there is a world beyond US borders so who cares about 1st amendment.
T. Psychiatrist

>>12613934
>Describes psychiatry as a malignant tumor.
>Waa I wasn't being hostile just answer my stupid question

>>12613941
I said AMA. Didn't say I was going to answer everything

>>12616429
>Describes psychiatry as a malignant tumor.
Calling a spade a spade

>>12613608
Does your choice of psychiatry (as an application of medicine) come from a place of a desire to "fix" or "heal" someone dear to your heart that you believe suffers from a (classifiable) mental illness?

>>12616422
>>12616434
You being unable to answer shows something about you, just as her being unable to answer a simple question shows that she's nothing but a pill dispenser.

It shows you do not even know what you live for, because you have a shallow pointless life that you should just end.

>WAAA Mean questions hurt my fee fees

>>12616330
>Is there anything to save in psychiatry?

Some of the knowledge gained from the torture is worthwhile. Just as we gained knowledge about treating frostbite from the Japanese torturing people in WW2.

I don't approve of the methods, but we can retain the knowledge gained while discarding with the garbage people who got it.

Good post though. It's funny, so many well written and persuasive posts against psychology, and only low tier trolls defending it.

>>12616422
>who cares about 1st amendment.

Many of the international posters are grateful that 4chan is hosted in the US and that they have this place to enjoy free speech.

You are a malignant tumor that does not think patients should be able to question you because you paid for a piece of paper.

>>12617057
>psychology

psychiatry*. my mistake.

>>12616481
Hi anon! Not really, I chose psychiatry because I wanted to study the human mind, its different expressions, and its connection with the nervous system. I don't agree with current classifications of 'mental illness' and actually think mental illness is a concept that stems from a moral judgment, so we should be aware of this before diagnosing and treating.

>>12617050
I'm able to answer, just don't want to

>>12617168
>US flag appears behind
>Oh say can you seeee

>>12617168
>are grateful that 4chan is hosted in the US and that they have this place to enjoy free speech.
Hate to break it to you, but the only reason 4chan doesn't get 8-channed is because it's a useful FBI honey pot. It's good for them to have all the flies gathered in one place.
>enjoy free speech.
I don't comprehend how anyone can believe free speech online exists after what happened with Facebook and Twitter. If they're letting us speak freely here, you can be sure it's for their profit, not ours. You'd literally get more free speech on a russian or taiwanese forum simply because it's a low traffic no man's land and nobody gives a fuck there. But USA + Free Speech + High traffic = honey pot. No doubt about it.

>>12617762
Cool story but do you actually do anything else besides prescribing random doses of random drugs "at small dose" to see the effect?

>>12617819
Lol you are rabid man
I should have clarified, ask me anything not stupid
T. Psychiatrist

>>12610257
I had a psychiatrist once, everything he prescribed me was trash, tried them all for a solid 3 months to get past the side effects stage and,,, all trash. Over 2 years of this. All they do is just say: Here try these pills (that I get a commission off prescribing to you). No mental exercises, no reasoning to figure out the cause of your anguish.
Finally I told him face to face that I had zero confidence in his snake oil and that I was never coming back.
Eventually an actual Psychologist who sincerely gave a shit took me in pro bono and with no pills and just CBT I was good in a matter of months.

This was in Canada, and my psychiatrist was literally a Nigerian, could barely even understand his english.

>>12618348
>This was in Canada, and my psychiatrist was literally a Nigerian, could barely even understand his english.
Similar experience in the UK. It puts you in a really awkward position as a white patient.

>>12617818

How does this place being a honey pot in any way negate the fact we can speak freely?

Some speech ( like threats) is illegal, and if the intelligence agencies use this place to assess potential threats, then so be it. The NSA also has a log of all your SMS, email, etc. If you have a smartphone they hear everything you say IRL.

It's also hilarious you think Russia is better in this regard, or that going to a forum with nobody to listen is free speech.

Your head is full of shit.

>>12617770
>I'm able to answer, just don't want to

Hmm. Could it be you are embarrassed by your answer?

It's poor form to say AMA and then be reluctant to answer questions. Your entire persona is built around dishonesty.

>>12617849
>I don't like the question because it is too poignant and accurate and reveals me to be a fraud.

You are projecting your own stupidity to defend yourself from being forced to self-reflect.

>>12619317
If you say so
T. Psychiatrist

>>12619322
>Waaa the question was good, it was too good
The question is stupid and so are you
T. Psychiatrist

>>12619672
>>12619677
Based psychiatrist putting schizos in their place

>>12619720
I'm willing to bet money that he isn't a psychiatrist and he isn't a schizo

but what do i know im just another retard just like you

>>12610257
My psychiatrist doesn't prescribe me any pills, and it changed my life immensely. Dpctors are people, some have common sense and some are stupid protocol fags; some are ethical and some are evil.

>>12613877
Even my psychiatrist admits most of her colleagues are completely vraindead idiots that drench all their patients in drugs. And she is not some hipster, she's 65 and has an incredible curriculum.

>>12610796
It's all fun and games until they send you to a psychiatrist that knows sign language

>>12620263
I never said that what your psychiatrist told you isn't the case