/sci/ - Science & Math

First for rename Mars to Musk

The virgin Space Nerd fears the chad boating boomer

>>12606688
For me, it's BOOMING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8AWFf7EAc4

Who?

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/01/20/nasa-might-not-repeat-test-of-moon-rocket-to-preserve-it-for-launch-later-this-year/

>Another wet dress rehearsal will have to occur in Florida ahead of launch. At this rate, the 212-foot core stage made by Boeing is down to about six “tanks” on its lifespan.

SLS Refuels remaining: 6

>>12606829

>>12606821
surely it would be cheaper at this point to just have a couple of drones fly over the surrounding area, identify any cars and boats and then send out some people to go tell them to fuck off before starting a test.

>>12606831
I've gone full circle from mad to not even mad to thinking it's funny to complete apathy and now I'm mad again

>>12606831
Is this because of using Hydrogen?

>>12606844
Surely it would be cheaper to just hire a Blackwater sniper, stick him on the high bay and give him free fire rules on boat, plane and foot mobile boomers.

Which life support units is starship gonna use?

>>12606855
Probably not, just shitty design.

Wishing Buzz a happy birthday on this Inauguration Day.

Even Collins had a slightly interesting birthday: Halloween. Neil had to go and ruin it with the nondescript August 5. All three were born in 1930.

>>12606810
pretty impressive that it can launch in winds that strong

>>12606831

SLS Refuels remaining: 6
Months left on Artemis 1 SRBs: 12

>>12606821
WHO DISTURBS OUR SLUMBER?

>>12606831
why is chilled hydrogen so damaging for materials as opposed to chilled whatever else?

>>12606894
It can get into the metal

>>12606891
>AYAYAYAYAYYYYYY

>>12606894
space is hard

>>12606894
very very cold, very very reactive

>>12606894
Hydrogen atoms are tiny enough to work their way into metallic lattices and weaken them.

>SNINE did a POOOF
yes, this is it

Why detank when they didn't even tank

aaaaaaaaand SN9 is venting again.

Abort

>>12606829
>not either of the Shrek-associated versions
NGMI, senpai

>>12606924
Why don't they just weld a plate where the leak is and then launch?

>>12606815
>stop posting so many fucking wojaks

May the force be with you.

3 days for SF
3 static fires
3 engine replacements
3 days for new engines
3 days for SF
3 static fires
3 engine replacements
3 days for new engines
3 days for SF

ate boing
luv locmart
simple as

>>12605899
You motherfucking son of a bitch piece of shit crossboarder I knew you /trash/fags were up to some shit.

Vent. Third time is a charm?

>>12606965
spacex be full o retards i tell ya. at some point they gotta tell elon maybe fixing raptor or hardening it should be a top priority instead of spending months scrubbing and waiting around for these bricks to get off the pad and make way for their successors

>>12606940
I’m gonna weld a plate over your face if you ever suggest an idea so stupid ever again.

Can't see shit, capitán

>>12606965
At least it's shown that it can be fueled more than nine times

ULA smoke dispersers

>>12606982
Come and get me, or will it take months for your vehicle to move because of a small tank leak?

>>12606979
They don't have cameras pointed at the engine tests and development, that doesn't mean it isn't happening tardo. Did you think when they skip a bunch of Raptor SNs it was just god playing tricks on you or something? They're cranking them out and iterating them constantly, regardless of SS tests.

>>12606987
lab padre is much more clear than nsf

>some dumb bird is attacking nosecone

>>12606844
It would be cheaper just to tell the FAA to fuck if and if boomers wanna get close let them get close

>>12607028
Shockingly the Nerdle cam is almost perfectly stable right now

That wasn't a detank vent, what the hell was it?

>>12607043
Who cares let them vent, what’s it to you

>>12607043
That vent happened shortly before the tri-vent during recent static fires I think

is rocket telemetry encrypted? do you think you'd be able to snoop in on it?

>>12607043
It's probably just cold gas condensing the fog, so the plumes look a lot bigger than in dryer air

>>12607061
i wish this meme would die just like the program did

>200:1 TWR
>LOX/LH2/RP-1 Tripropellant
>330s impulse at sea level, 460 in vacuum
>4MN of thrust
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-701
The Soviets were too good for this world.

>>12607061
>non cylindrical tanks
>meme materials
>no first stage because............................. politicians think planes = easy?

Tri-vent happening

Estimated T-12 min to static fire

What are some good examples of aesthetic spacecraft interiors?

SIREEEN

I can never hear this siren they talk about

>>12607081
It was really brief.

>>12607043

>>12607081
It's always clearly audible on NSF

>>12607087
>Starhopper awakens and takes one for the team in a final sacrifice to save human spaceflight

>>12607089
>NSF

>i'm a tank watcher

>>12606987
>>12607028
It's pretty kino right now actually

>Honk
>Clown world is here

>>12607043
gotta bad feeling about this one bros

>>12607061
This would make a lot more sense if it was dolphin sex.

>>12607061
I wish people stopped suggesting SSTO's until we have nuclear thermal engines otherwise there's no point to spending billions to make a shitty spaceplane which would get BTFO by Falcon 9 let alone Starship.

Fog machine snine is kino

>>12607108
sstos are not worth it in any case

>>12607108
if materials science makes ssto possible, then use those materials advances to build a fucking incredible tsto. mega payload

>>12607061
I really truly wish this was our actual shuttle replacement, ready to go soon as Shuttle was retired with a fleet of Venture Stars

We've one backwards, to CAPSULES fuuck

>2021 stream
>Honk honk

>>12607108
Pulsed core solid NTR ramjet spaceplane SSTOs when?

abort...

HAHAHA FUCK SPACEX

spacex is finished

SPACEFLIGHT IS FINISHED

>>12607119
VentureStar was physically impossible. NASA couldn't even get SLS built and that's just rearranging known-good Shuttle parts.

This is just sad, I'm pulling my shares from SpaceX

>>12607113
They make reusing nuclear engines much easier. Though a 1.5 stage spaceplane would be a better idea.
>>12607118
I agree, though i do believe SSTO's will become the main launch vehicle within 100 years.
>>12607129
Never if USGov has any say in the matter.

>3 scrubs in 1 day
NASA only scrubs once, SpaceX can't even fill a tank right LMAO

>3 aborts in one day
stop looking you fucks you're making it nervous

:|

WE'RE ALL TRAPPED HERE ON THIS HORRIBLE PLANET TOGETHER
THERE IS NO ESCAPE

Imagine if Starship was only allowed to be fueled 9 times

ScrubN9

Well that's embarrassing. they had so many chances and window is closed. they wont static fire today, they're instead crying in a corner

is this a rapid tank / detank test or what ?

>>12607147
Road closure got extended to 8PM.

>>12607143
>SLS isn't trapped here with us
>We are trapped in here with SLS

HOPPER IS DISPLEASED

>Starhopper eyes intensify

Oh, Snine. You hangar queen.

It's ogre

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>12607107
Why not dolphin threesomes?

>>12607153
thanks for the cope. i needed this. if you think they'll fire today, you're delusional

wonder how much fuel they burnt through today

>>12607154
ONE MORE SCRUB AND HE'S DOING IT

>>12606821
boomer: road closed my ass, I'm going fishing!

What happened with the engines? They worked fine on SN8 and now they can't get them to even fire on SN9?

>>12607136
SSTO’s are not physically impossible, it’s just you are ensuring your failure by making all sorts of requirements that prevent you from optimizing the vehicle.

Look at how SpaceX’s design changes, meanwhile Venturestar is a fixed design even after they knew it wouldn’t work

Space is something that’s riding the margins of physical possibility, there’s no room for design by committee

>>12607147
>?windows for static fires or hops

>>12607139
SSTOs being the main launch vehicle makes absolutely no sense. Let's say you can reach rapid reusability with fuel the dominant cost with an SSTO. By definition the same would be true of TSTO. TSTO is more fuel efficient per upmass, so SSTO still sucks.

>>12607061
>>12607065

COME ON SN9 WE NEED YOU

>>12607175
>fire
they haven't even spun up the turbines yet

>>12607176
correct

>>12607169
The methane is closed-loop and the rest of the stuff the rocket needs comes out of the air. I think they had their own LOX condenser arrive on-site recently too.

>>12607182

"I don't like the way the world looks like right now, I'm not going to turn on"
- SN9 2021

>>12607184
they should replace these engines and fit on copies of the engines they put on SN8, because those actually worked

>>12607192
Biden bros....

>>12607180
True but recovering the second stage is extremely difficult unless it is very large, and the launch cadence would be higher for a SSTO.

Starhopper wins.
Starhopper always wins.

>>12607191
Why are they so hard bros? They look so fucking rad.

>>12607183
Petition to assign tertiary designator "Shinji" to SN9 aka "Snine"

>>12607192
>with trump: all starship gets done from scratch to almost succesful test flight in record time
>with biden: simple test not possible

its over

>>12607199
they're not hard, they're just not mandated to be used by law

>>12607195
>True but recovering the second stage is extremely difficult unless it is very large
Again the best SSTO can do is just "TSTO but worse" here, as all of the same factors for recovery from orbit apply with the exception that the SSTO has more volume and dry mass to account for during the same maneuver for less payload.
>and the launch cadence would be higher for a SSTO.
No particular reason for that to be the case.

Anyone got any webms of Starship being moved around?

>>12607197
For the reluctant test vehicles, the threat of Hoppy's anger provides a little extra motivation

Do they normally vent the header tanks during SF?
>>12607209
Engineering them is really fucking difficult. Making one that is light and reliable, without having it melt during testing is pretty damn hard.

>>12607199
they could be made to be simpler and more awesome ;)

Requesting webm of Starhopper with its lights on and the vapor in the foreground

>>12607214
Just this

>>12607180
Main benefit of SSTO is that one machine goes up on its own, and then lands on its own. No boosters, no thing dropped into the ocean.

doesn't look like Biden gives a shit about any of Trump's Space Policy Directives, so hopefully all of those can stay, including the one to begin investing in nuclear powered vehicles.

http://spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=54461
Guys, I'm not feeling so good...

>>12607214
I got this
>>12607241
He'll get around to it when someone tells him to.

>>12607241
>Biden in charge of any decisions in his administration

You should see who they picked for the NASA transition team. They absolutely will have an agenda for NASA.

>>12607251
>diversity
50
marshall
plans

>>12607241
As long as the new administrator's orders are "don't fuck it up" I think we can work with that. Congress already accidentally ensured SpaceX will beat NASA back to the moon, maybe even beat Artemis-1 with a cargo or tanker starship.

>>12607205
Why do you think he bought those oil rigs? It will be fine especially when we don’t have to worry about random ULA boomers scrubbing launches all the way out there.

>>12607251
It's like every /sfg/ meme the shitposters said wouldn't happen all rolled up into one.
Diverse climate inclusion 2021

>>12607255
>>12607251
>The Biden-Harris Administration’s commitment to diversity, equity and inclusion, combating climate change, and creating economic opportunity for all Americans is real – and we all have a role to play in turning that commitment into action. At NASA, we embrace diversity because we understand that different opinions, backgrounds, and perspectives create an enriching environment that fuels innovation and personal growth. Every difference of opinion, background, or perspective is an opportunity to learn and build relationships in the workplace that will make us stronger as an agency and as individuals. This is how we get through difficult times. It’s also how we achieve missions of unparalleled complexity and ambition that inspire the world.

>>12607251
j-just political schmaltz

>>12607255
>>12607258
Good thing Bridenstine nipped that angle in the bud already
>https://www.nasa.gov/specials/artemis-team/

>>12607261
Okay, Elon can give the tankers funny names, but for the love of God I hope he doesn't give crewed SS stupid names

>>12607236
Unless you approach reuse in a sane manner and reuse boosters first, since your boosters are the biggest most expensive part of the rocket

>>12607228

>>12607270
forgot picture

>>12607251
Whelp, we're boned.
There is no light at the end of this tunnel.

>>12607267
Damn anon you should be a speechwriter

>>12607264
Looking forward to SLS being used to launch 10 billion climate satellites
>implying it will launch

>>12607272
The first one for Dear Moon is supposed to be Heart of Gold isn't it?

>>12607274
Absolutely based, thank you

>>12607264
/sfg/ is always right

>>12607275
>Commit wire fraud in space
>Still get to go to the Moon because you have ovaries
What did NASA mean by this?

>>12607212
On a TSTO the booster either does RTLS or lands on a drone ship/platform, this is much more delta-v expensive than a spaceplane gliding down to the launch site and if done on a platform needs time to return to the mainland.

>>12607267
It's all so tiresome

>>12607251
It reads like the buildup to a sarcastic /pol/ joke with the amount of buzzwords in there.

Well I guess nasa is truly fucked now, whatever scraps of money they have will be funnelled into climate changing watching as they said and spacex truly is the only hope for getting off this rock now.

>>12607280
Heart of Gold was proposed during the ITS days, and I think was suggested specifically because the booster had 42 engines. Haven't heard it recently though, definitely not in the context of DearMoon, so I have my doubts Elon actually goes for it.

>Muh private companies can do what they want
>NOOO SPACEX CANT JUST FLY THEIR OWN MANNED SPACEFLIGHT ROCKETS

>>12607292

>>12607251
I wonder if this is a direct response to Jim's "maybe NASA is not for you" comment.

>>12607251
We'll be fine, SLS was a meme from the start.

>>12607289
>complaining about booster dV
>while defending SSTO
You bring your whole fat ass into orbit you stupid fuck. The booster is entirely free mass when compared to SSTO.

>>12607061
Foolish autism of the worst kind.

>This morning's SpaceX launch will be the last American launch

>>12607287
'Don't call it a graveyard orbit, it's the trajectory you chose'

>>12607288
She got exonerated. Her ex-wife was lying about it.

>>12607302
I'm well aware of this, i'm just pointing out you don't get that much more delta v out of a propulsive landing tsto compared to a spaceplane SSTO. More importantly, nuclear engines are much more sensitive and probably couldn't be used to hoverslam like the Falcon 9 does, and i wouldn't put them anywhere near the sea.

>>12607310
Oh never mind then. What a shitty wife holy fuck

Welp /sfg/, time to get to work

>>12607304
>post yfw Texas secedes and takes SpaceX in the divorce

>NASA merged with NOAA

what's snine doing?

>>12607317

>>12607319
3rd abort occurred, maybe a 4th attempt tonight

>>12607292
This is literally why SpaceX was founded, to get off this rock before the US becomes South Africa and the Chinese have nobody to steal from.

>>12607251
You'd think there'd be enough autists involved in the space industry to combat this sort of shit. I mean, there has to be a point where people realize diversity doesn't launch rockets

>>12607319
chillin'

>>12607310
Not gonna lie, I kinda wanted the first woman on the moon to be an insane lesbian criminal. Kind of a bummer if it's not true.

>>12607324
I wonder if all the groups that cried out about "private companies can do what they want" come out to defend SpaceX for doing its own thing that is not in accordance with the NASA agenda

>>12607275

>Scott Tingle
Formely Chuck

https://twitter.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1352047998583201793
>eurobeat starts playing

>>12607329
>those dead pixels

>>12607327
>You'd think there'd be enough autists involved in the space industry to combat this sort of shit.
Affirmative Action is federal law. Until that changes it's always a legal risk for a company to stand against it.

>>12607332

>>12607317
implying spacex is old right wing loser texans and not silicon valley left wing blm tranny chads

Do they really mean this? ya'll said they'd against this

>>12607310
Even dykes have to deal with the torment of the eternal ex it seems.

>>12607318
>NASA became a subdivision of NOAA

>can we p-p-please launch humans again?
>there are clouds to measure, go monitor satellites
>>12607327
Luckily SpaceX has Elon and his autism disallows anything that slows the Mars mission down

>>12607330
They probably aren’t very upset when the company is doing something actually good and beneficial to the future of mankind.

>>12607336
Get in fag, we're powersliding to orbit

>>12607311
More like TSTO mogs SSTO so hard you can do "inefficient" things like RTLS. It's a simple matter of mass budget, TSTO has it SSTO doesn't. Also I'm not talking about nuclear engines, but the general rule applies across the board if you're doing like vs. like.

>>12607337
They fled to texas

>>12607343
>implying they want us to get off this rock

>>12607339
>But Jiiiiiiiiiiim, these 5 hour workdays are too hard!
NASA won't do shit. They barely got by with Bridenstine giving them attainable goals; they won't do SHIT with a new administration. Unless their goals become "launch climate satellite every 10 years on an SLS"

Which life support devices are they planning to use in Starship?
>>12607331
>Pounded in the butt by starship all the way on Mars

>>12607324
Let’s hope he can accelerate his operations with these oil rigs and get something permanent set up before the end of the decade because at this rate muttland won’t last tile the 2050s at best.

>>12607296
The response will be

>Nuh uh not when they receive money and contracts from the government

The irony and hypocrisy of course being totally lost on them.

Is Snuh-nine cursed? Why's it been actin so peculiar?

>>12607358
Nine is the new thirteen

>>12607315
>What a shitty wife holy fuck
That's what you get when you think that the holy union of one person who puts his penis inside the virgin hole to make his seed go outside his body and goes into the body of a virgin so that part of literally biologically melds in a way that only heterosexuals can with her, and then that part exits her and is part of them, an inmortal organism, so that now they are literally one living organism mandated by god.

to think that that is even remotely comparable to people with mental disease masturbating together in unatural ways is preposterous

>>12607354
Early Lunar versions I think are just going to be up-scaled Dragon life support

>>12607273
That is no improvement, that is improvization.

>>12607363
You will never have a tradwife

>>12607327
Everyone in the space industry has a college degree, they are all massive liberals

>>12607337
This isn’t re*ddit, you aren’t a woman and the gash between your legs will never be a vagina.

>>12607303
backward

>>12607327
Why does it matter if the money flows in no matter what

Gettin some mcdonalds. Yall want anything?

>>12607349
Why would right wing people want to stay on this rock?

>>12607375
Happy meal and a static fire please.

>>12607375
Ten hash browns, please.

>>12607375
Nuggies please

>>12607375
fries and a hydrolox slushie

>>12607375
Get me a McGun

>>12607375
mickey chickey! mickey chickey!

>>12607375
A coffee please

>>12607375
I wanna fuck this jewess with huuuuge milkers

>>12607371
What about all the random spic welders building Elon’s rockets?

>>12607377
I think you misunderstood, in 2021 it's the left arguing for gigacoporations because they're aligned ideologically.

Already have the crew for the Artemis 3 Moon mission mapped out.
Best guess.
>Victor Glover: first black man
>Jonny Kim: first asian man
>Anne McClain: first women/first gay human
All too easy to predict

>>12607396
about to get fired since elon doesnt want to pay them 15 per hour

>>12607398
>Woman being picked over a trans

>>12607398
Probably not, they're gonna test SLS with white men since they're expendable, evil racists

>>12607396
Those guys are prolly new republicans

>>12607398
And CSA will send some pajeet

>>12607251
>Jurczyk
Look at this fucker. Literal human rat.

>>12607380
>>12607381
>>12607383
>>12607387
>>12607389
>>12607395
Aight I got you.
>>12607390
Cream and sugar?
>>12607386
Sorry anon, they say the hrydolox machine is down.

>>12607371
Engineers, even when liberal, tend to not be nearly as far left as those in other degrees. CS is a hive of scum and villainy though.

>>12607398
I really hope the first woman on the moon is that black geologist chick. Having another geologist on the moon would be worth something.

>>12607375
One Moonman

>>12607407
Thanks anon, very cool

>>12607407
Thanks anon I needed this

>>12607398
At best they will grow too old by the time it is ready to launch so they just retire, at worst they will actually be in it when it flies and explodes.

>SpaceX Crew Dragon is problematic because its toilet is designed for only two genders

>>12607406
Did he shave his eyebrows off to appear more sinister?

>>12607401
trans can't pass the psych test

>>12607251

>>12607337
>tranny chads
Just because trannies have the biological build of a chad doesn't mean they're actually CHADS.

>>12607272
USS Eyes Wallow Come

>>12607426
I have no doubts that NASA will loosen test requirements to allow it to happen

>>12607251
OF COURSE THEY JUST HAD TO HIRE A FUCKING JEW IN JIM'S PLACE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12607430
Estronaut, no! Don't read the super chat!

>>12607401
They don't want to make history with first suicide on the Moon

>>12607258

>>12607432
Really hope the first tranny in space is launched by Iran.

>>12607432
Well, there's my new first bet for our first case of a psychotic break on a long-term science mission.

Depress vent occurring

>>12607406
Do I even need to bother looking at the early life section?

>>12607433
Not saying that his career stayed the same but Steve Jurczczynqstaszyk's first job with NASA had to do with climate monitoring satellites

So /sfg/, how else will the new NASA administration fuck up spaceflight for us?
>DUHvershitty AA hires
>(((climate change))) research
What's next? Zero G ISS gender reassignment surgery? Funds for an Israeli space station with wet workshops full of forsaken children? What worse could happen?

>>12607439
Oh god it hurts
ELON, HELP
>ELON, HELP

>>12607454
>"The ISS is a waste of money and should be deorbited before 2025"
>"Also fuck Gateway."
>"No you can't have another space station, we're launching climate monitoring satellites bigot"
>"Future generations yet unborn will have the opportunity to be the first boots on Mars :^)"
>"We recognize China's claim to the Apollo 11 landing site in accordance with the Biden administration's wishes"

>>12607454
BLM moonbase that lasts 3 days before catastrophic depressurization after a fight broke out in the airlock

>>12607454
Commercial crew and cargo doesn’t need to go to SpaceX anymore

>>12607463
This. That last one definitely. They would be more about the downfall of American space flight rather than trying to do ridiculous things with it

>>12607454
(((Banker))) space station that turns into Commoragh within a few years

>>12607464
NASA spends $2 mil on a Von Braun statue for the Moon, it gets burned down along with the rest of the Artemis base, and everyone takes the National Team lander back to gateway, leaving behind $5 trillion in damage on the surface because everything else that was there was cost-plus oldspace habs

>>12607463
Fortunately almost none of that is going to be derailed because Sh*lby says Fuck Off every time someone threatens Alabama's gibs

>>12607474
They would just tear down the ISS while making sure that Gateway is postponed indefinitely for development in Alabama

Based crane operator trolling NSF

>>12607469
The only thing this got right was the person in the bottom panel.

>>12607475
Isn't the first Axiom module going up in the next 12-18 months? I know it's already paid for.

>>12607474
>You dare challenge ME?!

>>12607474
>Alabama gets the Georgia treatment

>>12607474
>Shelby saves NASA human spaceflight
>Senator Shelby's redemption arc

>>12607478
America exists to send negros into space

>Worm logo scrubbed from all NASA servers

>>12607474
retiring so reign of terror is at an end

>>12607476
?

He looks like a pedo with the trucker stache now.

>>12607493
Retiring in 2026, so long enough to keep the gibs train going

>>12607480
>I know it's already paid for.
Just because NASA pays for something doesn't mean it's guaranteed to happen

>>12607500
just in time for the first (and last) SLS launch, so the next project Nasa undertakes will be unburdened. They can build all the depots they want for the climate investigation station

>Americans and Russians working, colluding, in space? Can't have that
>Deorbit the ISS. Do it.

>>12607454
If they get serious about this planetary protection bullshit it could massively cuck Elon.

>>12607511
Does the US even have authority to do that? I thought it was an international effort so anything like that would be left up to the UN.

lol @ berger

>>12607511
>>Deorbit the ISS. Do it.
>No no, let the Chinese in, give them control

>>12607517
If they truly fucked shit up for him that much he may just call quits in the US and head over to Russia. Even if he couldn’t take the company over with him it would still be a significant improvement.

>>12607518
The ISS got nothing to do with the UN. Ownership of the ISS is split between it's segments. The US can ditch the US segments of the ISS whenever it wants but the russian, european and japanese segments will stay there as long as those countries want.

>>12607508
>next project Nasa undertakes will be unburdened
By then Space X will develop new engines, and launch astronauts to space in flying saucers.

>>12607524
Presumably all his assets and shit would get seized if he did that.

>>12607341
trust me anon, you have no idea. if anything dykes seem to have it worse. Maybe because the dating pool tends to be small enough you end up running into exes a lot.
I’ll never forget when my friend dumped her crazy abusive ex and like, two weeks later they ran into each other and the ex said
>God showed me that I’ll have a kid in three years - would you like me to send you pictures?
like it was the most normal thing in the world

They took this from you

>>12607532
>you are not allowed to play in space because I say so
>"fine, I'll take my toys and go next door"
>no, I will take your toys and put you in time-out if you do
It's enough to make one see white

>>12607541
>make up a whole fairy tale story in your head
>get angry at it
Are you on meds

>>12607517
Doubt that would happen. Would make for a solid case of a government directly attacking a private company

>>12607545
Dude do you live in the real world? That's exactly the kind of shit these people would pull. And it's not like it's aimed specifically at SpaceX either, planetary protections would apply to all aerospace companies.

>>12607541
This is how government does anything though.
>Please don't do that we don't like that we want you to do this instead.
>"no."
>We're going to make it hard for you to do that will you stop?
>"no."
>We've decided you're no longer allowed to do that. Bill of rights? Constitution? What's that? If you do that we are going to stop you.
>"no."
>We will kill or imprison you if you do not obey us.

We have absolutely got to get the fuck off this shitball as fast as humanly possible.

>>12607538
Just to play devil's advocate: this would have been expensive as fuck

>>12607543
>>12607545
Oh look he's back

R8 our life support design

>>12607532
I’m sure they would provide for him and it seems like he just wants to get to Mars badly rather than making money and I’m sure the Russians would be more than happy to get a hold of him and his expertise and I’m sure he would be more than happy to join them as long as he could continue his work.

>>12607550
Where would they go?
>SpaceX claims part of Antarctica

All you civil war fucks not only shit up the thread, but worry me with your psychotic fanfic theories

>>12607548
>That's exactly the kind of shit these people would pull
Which sets a dangerous precedent that would get shot down in court by any other company who don't want to be targeted by the government
>And it's not like it's aimed specifically at SpaceX either, planetary protections would apply to all aerospace companies.
Considering that SpaceX is the only aerospace company actively working towards space colonization the nanny planetary protections could be interpreted as being directed to SpaceX

>>12607538
They really did Von Braun dirty.

This is almost sad to look at.

>>12607555
Who's back?

>>12607251
>Diversity of opinion
No evidence of that

>>12607565
Holy shit you are delusional. Planetary protections are ALREADY a thing that apply to everyone. All that is required is to expand on them.

When's the next static fire attempt for SN9?

>>12607565
Yeah I'm sure they will have a real hard time pushing a ban on strip mining virgin planets, having their media dogs portray Elon as some rapacious Cecil Rhodes 2.0 then walking any objections past a warm judge.

When did Republicans turn from the cuck party to the cope party?

>>12607564
I dunno as far as team-ups go it wasn't bad I guess, the little guy turning into a big guy was neat.

>>12607564
Intentionally preventing people from advancing technology and leaving the earth for another planet because you want to control them forever is a pretty good reason to think about doing something about your government.

Remember the government and it’s organs aren’t hated for no reason.

>>12607538
Reminder that most people don't give a fuck about space. Even when Apollo was still happening they cancelled two Moon landings because no one gave a shit. Why would they fund a Mars program then?

>>12607573
But to expand on them to stop SpaceX and anyone else trying to colonize space? Why?

>>12607558
>Biogas

>>12607587
>Even when Apollo was still happening they cancelled two Moon landings because no one gave a shit.
I thought that was to scrape together some extra shekels for the shuttle program?

>>12607587
It’s the potential anon, the public don’t know shit and they see a lifeless ball of rock, but it’s the vast potential. What nation would turn down control of such resources and land if placed in front of them here? Getting there is the problem, but politicians aren’t patient especially not the variety in Washington and they seem more interested in control than anything else.

>>12607582
But most planets have been shown to be completely lifeless. Even if the planetary protection acts get extended to protect interesting geological features, there will always be countless asteroids to dig into. It's easier to protect Olympus Mons than asteroid #28801

>>12607588
>Megacorp bad
>Colonialism bad
>Must preserve planetary environments
>Must protect Schrodinger's indigenous life
>Problems to fix on earth first
>Space must be diverse and equal
>Oldspace protectionism

And many more. Take your pick, there's plenty of bullshit reasons, most of which they align with ideologically.

>>12607588
>"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."

>>12607603
>But most planets have been shown to be completely lifeless

Not even fucking remotely. A few probes and a handful of toy cars incapable of digging a hole proves exactly jack shit.

>>12607588
They fear a rival nation especially a nation in control of a world of resources, land and they especially fear not being able to control it themselves directly.

They probably know the US isn’t getting stronger and it’s got a timer on it, they know they won’t be able to hold on too it if things go south so they are trying to stall it.

That’s my only explanation as I can’t see many good reasons for why they aren’t more supportive of such a company.

>>12607604
But they love megacorps now?

>>12607627
Only if they toe the party line. Not when they start questioning the covid religion.

>>12607615
A good point, but it is easier to make sure that an asteroid is lifeless than a planet

>>12607608
That's a perfect description of the American Republican party.

>>12607636
Sure, but it completely changes the way SpaceX needs to work and means that starship will be a shit architecture. Great for Mars but it's pretty terrible for asteroid operations.

>>12607615
global observation of the whole surface over the course of decades proves a lot. Sure we can check under every rock just to make sure, but the possibility of any complex life is not high.

>>12607643
It’s not going to an asteroid, why would it be? It’s going to Mars and it along with hundreds of others will establish a base that will grow into a city and eventually an independent nation.

That’s the goal Musk has set and given how autistic he is that will be the only goal he has in mind, everything that doesn’t move these plans forward is discarded.

>>12607643
Starship would still be useful as an LEO truck along with orbital assembly

>>12607652
we’re going to find unnnaground catgirl monarchies on mars and i’m going to fuck them all just to spite you.

>>12607652
If there is life anywhere it will be subsurface. So no, nothing has been proven and nothing really ever can be proven categorically. You could drill 999 deep aquifer core samples and they would still be coming out of the woodwork to tell you that your 1000th core sample in X location might still turn up life.

>>12607656
We were clearly talking about what if Musk is cucked out of Mars because of planetary protections.

>new administration tries to choke SpaceX's Mars ambition's with planetary protection
>Elon phones up the DoD to tell them that they can kiss their easy rides on Starship goodbye
>DoD gives SpaceX an "all clear" for Mars

>>12607652
Even if life does exist who gives a fucking shit, it’s just gonna be microbes at best and even if it isn’t why should we watch our step, the universe is ours for the taking and any who stand in the way should be destroyed.

People at home who oppose space travel and especially colonisation of other worlds deserve all the suffering the world can give for such extreme selfishness.

>>12607667
MIC beats politics anytime

>>12607332
>>>/wsg/3762781

>>12607669
>Even if life does exist who gives a fucking shit, it’s just gonna be microbes at best
Knowing how those microbes work and came about would show us so much about how life on Earth like how fossils shows us how we as a species came about

>>12607662
>So no, nothing has been proven and nothing really ever can be proven categorically. You could drill 999 deep aquifer core samples and they would still be coming out of the woodwork to tell you that your 1000th core sample in X location might still turn up life.
And this is the whole fucking point. It's the same exact "let's fix the problems on Earth first" argument. It's not possible to fix all the problems on Earth just as it's not possible to prove the absence of life. Start the discussion at things that are possible and go from there.

>>12607662
But see that’s the thing, he won’t or more specifically I don’t think he mentally can.

It’s Mars or nothing and I don’t think he could tolerate someone standing in the way of that. He didn’t start this shit to make money and his goal has stayed the same from the beginning.

>>12607670
Because in the end the MIC wants stuff be it weapons, jobs, money, or cool technology regardless of the politics and ideology. Stuff will always be more substantial than ideology

>>12607676
And how will this information help anything? You know as well as I do that postponing off world colonisation to check on some (potential) microbes is so stupid.

Who cares, it’s so petty. If it was large creatures on a vibrant world then sure let’s take a look, but as far as we know Mars is lifeless and waiting around isn’t making it more liveable.

>>12607604
>Problems to fix on earth first

>>12607669
Difference between human and microbes is a trillion more microbe working together vs single. Complex life is nothing but mutation happening when microbes started eating each other.

>>12607691
>You know as well as I do that postponing off world colonisation to check on some (potential) microbes is so stupid.
Of course, such things should be handled like how archaeology is on Earth. Companies are financially encouraged to look for such things on any plot of undeveloped land before and during their projects, and report any findings for research

>>12607693
Yeah and they failed to create any more valuable or advanced creatures so that’s all we know for certain and instead get to work.

I mean you are hardly going to get upset over this shit? It’s so silly.

d-did i do it?

>>12607558
What are its objectives? What environment is it supposed to be operating in?

Why isn't "Keep /pol/ in /pol/ an enforceable rule? you fags keep derailing everything you touch
Anyway, vortex rocket engines apparently do work as advertised, they've been reported to be cool to the touch and offer better performance for a lighter package. A few anons with a few resources could feasably build powerful rocket engines for fraction of the cost
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20010020208/downloads/20010020208.pdf

>>12607716
0-G spacecraft, it's meant to recycle as much material as possible for any long duration trip

>>12607251
I think i just puked a bit while reading that.

>>12607734
You could alway try r#ddit if you want, you can get banned for almost anything on there so you would probably fit in pretty well.

>>12607742
Fuck this gay planet, I'm heading out bros

>>12607734
I agree on the point that politics are annoying, but NASA is a thing so we're forced to consider their level of faggotry and how it may impact space exploration

>>12607734
>Anyway, vortex rocket engines apparently do work as advertised, they've been reported to be cool to the touch and offer better performance for a lighter package. A few anons with a few resources could feasably build powerful rocket engines for fraction of the cost
iirc the flow needs to be perfect for that which requires either very good cfd sims or lots of trial and error more than the usual engine

>>12607742
Get used to the taste of bile anon, it's not getting better soon.
>>12607750
Wait up bro

>>12607734
>leftist diversity politics ruining spaceflight isn't spaceflight related

>>12607750
>My suit is too tight.
>Is this ascender built by BOING?
>Does anybody else smell nitrogen tetroxide?
>There must be more to life.

>>12607757
Yes.

>>12607756
>did I forget to turn off the microwave emitter?

IN THE NAME OF UNITY AND COORPORATION BETWEEN NASA AND THE WHITEHOUSE.
NASA ADMINISTRATOR
BIG
JIM
BRIDENSTINE,
HAS WITH GREAT HONOR,
STEPPED DOWN FROM HIS POST.
UNITY AND BIPARTISANSHIP IS CALLED FOR.
JOESPH BIDEN JR ASSURES THE PUBLIC THAT A WORTHY SUCCESSOR WILL BE CHOSEN.

LONG LIVE JOESPH BIDEN JR
SAVIOR OF OUR REPUBLIC

>>12607767
STONE THE FAT ONE

>>12607767
For the sake of unity: HAIL
LET IT ALSO BE KNOWN
THAT ON THIS SAD DAY, MARKING THE DEPARTURE OF "LARGE JAMES" BRIDENSTINE
THAT WE, AS A COMMUNITY, HAVE KEPT OUR HATRED FOR BOEING AT A MINIMUM
IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS WILL

>Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk
>I'm a spacers man, no time to talk
>Rockets loud and methane warm, I've been kicked around
>Since I was born

>>12607767
Fugg I misspelled Joseph. I never knew roleplaying a fat newsreader would be so entertaining

ANY AND ALL MOCKERY OF BOING! AND THEIR ROCKETS SHALL BE KEPT TO AN APPROPRIATE MINIMUM!

>>12607772
Gah, please recite the national anthem of Mars, in solidarity with Bridenstine
https://youtu.be/AiuC_CaObbI

>we're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon
>but there aint no whales so we tell tall tales and sing this whaling tune

>>12607750
>>12607756
Propellant (and liberty from the tyranny of Earth) is stored in the balls

>>12607777
ROMAN MAN HAS BEEN CHECKED

>>12607791
based

just woke up, what did i miss?

>>12607802
Snine SF scrub x5

>>12607802
Some fucker drove his car right by SN9 during a static fire attempt and caused a scrub
Some anon had sex a year ago

>>12607786
Slavery to Abraham will not be represented in the functions of the state of Free Mars

>>12607798
>Never bothered to build test stand before liftoff
DAMN YOU, COMMIE BUERAUCRATS! WE COULD OF HAD MOONBASES BY NOW!
Also, I found this
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212540X17300457#f0030

>>12607791
Wasn't this the launch escape system in case the Moon lander failed to ascend? And it had to be manually piloted to orbit and RV to the orbiter?

>>12607750
>>12607756
>>12607791
I'm 24, what are my chances I that i can water my garden on Mars in my lifetime?

>>12607822
At best, 100%
At worst, 0%
probably somewhere between those two

>>12607822
If I did my math right: 50/50

>>12607822
>Build one-way rocket
>Build hibernation chamber
>Launch
>Build outpost w/ sunroom and robot ice miner
Given that, plenty

>>12607822
Heads. Assuming a heads-or-tails calculation

>>12607822
do you have a womb you can get musk to fill?

>>12607819
Yeah, the instrumentation was a thrust-vector lever, a timer, an inclinometer, and a reference chart

>>12607822
What are your skills and value of assets? Essentially you are either going to need to have a vagina or multiple trade skills and 500k+ in liquid assets. If you work on a twenty year timetable it's achievable.

Is it possible for spacex to train their own astronauts and if not then why?

>>12607860
Yes but they will need to hire geologists and biologists and medical personnel and engineers to give people crash courses

>>12607860
Yes

>>12607860
>Is it possible for spacex to train their own astronauts
No.
>Why?
Not enough spaceflight experience or training facilities

>>12607873
Go away NASA.

>>12607860
yes, but they'll probably just pay NASA trained astronauts instead

>>12607873
I would love to hear an actual justification so I can yell about oldspace again. What does this even mean? The closest thing NASA offers to "on the job" experience is a swimming pool. Pretty sure SpaceX can make a swimming pool.

>>12607873
>Not enough spaceflight experience or training facilities
works for the 737 max ;)

>>12607860
What exactly is an "astronaut" anyway? Someone who can deal with microgravity and wear a suit in space? The whole thing is fucking bullshit, if you had a halfway decent suit you could probably chuck your average tradie through a week or two course in a pool, couple of vomit comet rides and away you go.

>>12607860
There’s no such thing as an “astronaut”
It’s just old space “space is hard!” Bullshit
SpaceX will send their Mexican welders to mars

>>12607860
>Is it possible for SpaceX to train their own astronauts?
Sure, why not? The fundamentals they'll need to learn are flight and EVA suit operation, basic maintenance, assembly/disassembly and emergency repair, as well as how to move and work in those suits, and microgravity living.
I want to see SpaceX build their own EVA suit at some point and start training workers in it's proper use.

Biden having Moon rocks in the Oval Office is going around lib circles as being significant. Are we going to see Biden be a big supporter of space like Trump was?

>>12607946
He’s a catholic and irish. Can’t trust him.

>>12607869
>>12607871
>>12607898
>>12607935
>>12607914
>>12607925
Well it’s good to know, I feared they would only be allowed to take nasa approved boomers up. Well I guess it’s too early to be building the facilities to train these people at the moment so hiring nasa fags is the best for the moment.

>>12607672
>>12607332
amazing

>>12607581
tomorrow presumably

>>12607558
i rike it

>>12607710
nice job. Pretty sure it's going to have a tower though for stacking and booster catch. Unless one of them is for landing only or something.

>>12607935
I wonder how much of this spacex is going to do in-house. If they want to get crew to mars there's a fuckton more they have to do outside of building a rocket. Proper suits are just one of the thing they need to master. They're going to be spread thin

>>12607822
>>12607848
I like the trade skills idea. Welders are surely needed. Electricians, programmers, etc. Everyone is going to have to make themselves useful

>>12607629
covid is over, bro: https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users
WHO is now conveniently very concerned about false positive PCR results. Now advising "careful interpretation" and saying that positive test w/ no clinical symptoms != positive infection

>>12607860
They do train astronauts? How do you think they learn to fly on Dragon 2? Virgin Galactic is also in the training business. Axiom is building an astronaut training center in Houston too.

>>12607957
>Covid is over

Ohohohohohoho

My man

No

>>12607957
>I wonder how much of this spacex is going to do in-house. If they want to get crew to mars there's a fuckton more they have to do outside of building a rocket. Proper suits are just one of the thing they need to master. They're going to be spread thin
Well, they did make their own flight suit already, granted it doesn't look as cool as they think it does, but it seems to work fine and be comfortable to wear for prolonged periods and does some things quite cleverly like integrating all of the life support hoses into a single thigh port to cut down on clutter.

>>12607951
“catholic”

>>12607966
It's an emergency depressurisation suit. Absolutely not suited for extended work in a vacuum or near vacuum like Mars. That needs a whole different level of suit. Compare the SpaceX suit and the Artemis suit.

I just saw this on Slashdot...
https://science.slashdot.org/story/21/01/20/1744227/boeing-curbed-rocket-test-over-hydraulics-issue-nasa-says
>The SLS can be loaded with its super-chilled propellants -- liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen -- only nine times, which will be a consideration in whether to stage a second test at Stennis, NASA said Tuesday.
>propellants can only be loaded nine times
>only nine times
lolwtf, as if the SRB expiration date wasn't enough

>>12607951
Don’t be silly he is about as catholic and Irish as a Jew is honest.

He is merely a puppet and I doubt the guy even knows what decade it is let alone what to do without being told.

Biden was chosen for 3 reasons he is mentally falling apart so he is easy to control, he is physically falling apart which means Kamala can take over when he kicks the bucket and he is a white guy so he might attract some boomers as non whites vote democrat regardless of the candidate.

>>12607974
Right, a flight suit, as opposed to an EVA suit, I'd like to see them make an EVA suit.

>>12607966
their suit has cosplay syndrome. Where something looks great on an idealized human but then you put it on a dumpy everyman and it suddenly looks ridiculous. Not easy to make something looks good on us ugly motherfuckers

>>12607978
hydrogen is so not worth it

>>12607980
What would a Kamala presidency's space activities look like?

>>12607981
If you are doing EVA it means you designed and planned poorly

Remember when this guy killed himself to prove space is fake

>>12607991
Find alien life and put it behind bars.

>>12607991
Victor Glover goes to jail

>>12607995

>>12607962
Who could have possibly seen this coming. Now the meme virus will evaporate as fat boomers dying of heart attacks stop being counted as Shanghai shiver deaths and the tests miraculously become more accurate while the media hails the “science candidate” for his glorious intervention. Lmao burger politics is just theatre at this stage.

>>12607966
>>12607974
Mechanical counterpressure suits with insulation/cut-proof armor layers would make excellent mars suit. neoprene diving suit underneath a non-expanding layer could work if we had gloves that would work

>>12607978
Yeah it’s fucking bullshit. I think they have already loaded it 6 times now. WTF are they going to do after a) another test fire, and b) launch day. Presumably it will need to be loaded more than 3 times - as it will scrub at least once. It’s not gonna make it off the launch pad bros

>>12607995
He was just some rocket autist grifter like the rest of em

>>12608001
Anon if it's been working well this far why would they stop?
Wear the mask forever, prepare for coof20, cood21, coof23...

>>12607995
Still more balls than the rest of us

>>12607998
>>12607999
Kek’d

>>12607980
>Don’t be silly
>proceeds to be very silly

>>12608001
Do you seriously think this giant global power grab and smashing of rights was just a ploy to spite orange man and now it's just going to disappear and they will just give up all that power and control they obtained? Are you for real?

>>12607999

>>12607991
Well she absolutely rejected that retard Scott when he tried to talk to her about not fucking up space so I think it’s clear especially after they released their new plan for nasa.

>>12608001
are americans born retarded or are they hit about the head with a bat in childhood?

>>12608002
MIT is sitting on the patents and grifting endless grants to not develop mechanical counterpressure suits.

>>12608019
Possibly both.

Cali refugees GTFO of my state REEEEEEEEE
Elon can stay, his rockets are based

>>12608021
Then let's do it ourselves, it's the only way shit gets done

>>12608012
Why do you think they choose him?

Where in the solar system would you like to visit the most /sfg/?
Personally I'd love to visit Titan and cruise around its hydrocarbon lakes. I wonder if you can see Saturn from its surface, that would be neat.

>>12608027
>What is a patent

>>12608014
Yes I fully believe the disease was spread on purpose and the numbers rampantly faked by the globohomo establishment to get rid of orange man