/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12590905
I'm a pure mathematician and I make (2,000,000^2 / 4,000,000,000,000) dollars in 1 year.

>>12590939
that's 1

>>12590905
I'm a software engineer but this thread still makes me cringe. If everyone goes into software engineering there will just be less money in it.

>>12591087
>that's 1

>>12591101
Me too especially the pic. I really want to punch OP

>>12591101
>>12591111
Every graduate that comes out of India is already damaging your wages. Too many Indians in tech nowadays.

>>12591116
not every graduate from India is on my level anon

>>12591122
It don't matter, these tech companies know they can undercut the wages of software engineers and computer scientists by importing these indians.

>>12590905
I'm a real engineer and I make new materials for society. Plus I'm a great coder and make more money than software memengineers

because it's terrible. i don't want to be a software engineer. i'd sooner join the amish or move into the wilderness.

>>12591298
cont.

i've realized i don't want many things and i don't really care to make much money. i'd rather have an intellectually stimulating job, or even no job at all.

>>12591303
cont.

no, that's not quite right. rather, i would pick intellectual fulfillment and freedom. i want nice things but i would not be able to enjoy them knowing they came at the cost of my own enlightenment. they would be terrible things and bring me no joy.

>>12590905
Jokes on you; I live like a monk WITH money.

>>12591279
>muh society

>>12590905
Monk actually means you don’t have money.Writing a monk with no money was unnecessary

>>12590905
theres nothing to explain, only people who lack the intellect it takes to be a scientist would choose the path of engineering.

>>12591303
so how will you make money?

Programming is equivalent to factory work

>>12590905
Well, for one I work on problems that people actually care about instead of like making some gay app serve ads more efficiently.

For two I have a ton of flexibility, can work whenever I want as long as I get results, I'm my own boss and have lots of creative and academic freedom. In practice I probably only really work about 20 hours a week but get full time salaried pay.

I get to travel a lot for free to go to conferences, and maintain valued friendships and collegiate relationships with interesting people all over the world.

And also my work is actually fun and interesting and satisfying, and I don't have to do dumb boring shit for half my waking life.

Can't say I'd make a different decision if I had another chance

>>12592447
You sound much happier than 99% of software engineers.

Only the 1% get the glorified benefits of working for Apple/Google.

>>12592455
Even if you work at Apple/Google you have a boss breathing down your neck, you're expected to work at least 40/wk, and you don't get to direct your own research. And 99% of employees who work for those companies are just grinding away at the tech monopoly grift and desperately trying to sustain the adtech bubble rather than actually creating anything of value

>>12590905
>What did you achieve in your fields besides living like a monk with no money?
Some publications on high-tier journals, a couple of funded research projects, and a semiprivate research position giving me enough money to live peacefully, i'm not rich but no SE major i know personally makes more than me, even the "senior" ones

>>12592439
Imagine believing that.

>>12592506
He's talking about how they're both mundane jobs.

>>12592532
Imagine believing that.

>>12592536
>typing strings of code all day

OMG SO FUN GUYS!

>>12592532
>>12592506
>>12592439

Yeah, it's an unfair comparison. Even though both do repetitive, semi-skilled work on tiny parts of the production line to enrich their bosses, most factory workers actually create goods that are valuable to society and concretely improve material conditions. Software engineers are mostly either working on useless shit funded by irrational speculative VC lunacy or are running on the treadmill of sustaining a monopoly based around extracting money from society by advertising crap people don't really want to buy anyway.

>>12592565
In other words, factory workers are productive to society.

Whereas programmers are soulless NPCs.

>>12592601
I wouldn't say they're soulless. Everyone has to make a living. But to be a software engineer and believe that the work you are doing really matters, or to believe that as a wage worker you aren't being completely fucked by your bosses, is to be suffering from some pretty severe delusion.

>>12590905
>Renames his profession from developer to engineer out of embarrassment

>>12591101
Highest paid wagies are anesthesiologists

Imagine choosing physics, biology or chemistry over computer sciences and software engineering, lmao.
Your knowledge will be obsolete in 50-100 years because all of your theories are only approximately true, thus worthless. Meanwhile, CS and software engineering has practical value. Engineers have overcome that and are intellectually superior. Enjoy your circlejerk over meaningless theories.

>>12592748
Just switch career places and then, you are correct fatcunt

>>12592748
the quality of this bait belongs to >>>/reddit

>>12592447
>I am incredibly lucky: the post

have some fucking humility man there are people on this board that jerk off so much it's a health hazard and you are talking about how peachy your life is?

>>12592748
>Your knowledge will be obsolete in 50-100 years because all of your theories are only approximately true, thus worthless. Meanwhile, CS and software engineering has practical value.
Your program you're going to code is going to be made obsolete within an hour of you writing it, as soon as someone updates one of the bazillion of dependencies

>>12592820
I have absolute humility about it, I don't think I deserve anything, and I'm completely aware that it's largely a result of random chance that I wound up in a cushy academic job.

I replied because I have a problem with OP's premise of assigning value to one's livelihood based on the size of the shit crumbs for wages the ownership class decides to toss to the people who do the actual work in whatever stupid grift they're running

>>12592889
how can you fall for this bait?

>>12590905
It's that I'm trying to good that matters. I'm not writing some memeshit app.

>>12591087
>that's 1

>>12592447
Is it a permanent position or are you just riding the post-doc bliss blindly without worrying about the wall coming?

>>12592398
Cistercian monks (ordinary observance) get a small monthly allowance for buying books, chocolate, etc. Graduate students at public schools in expensive areas e.g. UCLA might have less discretionary income. Plus Austria looks really nice, unlike LA which is a total shithole.

>>12593633
Software engineers generally live in the Bay Area which is also a shithole

>>12593739
NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT UNLESS YOU ARE REALLY TALENTED YOU WILL BE CHEWED AND SPIT OUT BY THE CORPORATE MACHINE BECAUSE HIRING NEWFAGS IS CHEAPER THAN HIRING SENIORS

I've seen software developer and software engineer used interchangeably in this thread so I wanna know what's the difference?

>>12593860
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>>12593860
About the same as between a data scientist, and a data engineer.

>>12593579
I'm currently riding the post-doc bliss, but I do have several papers in high impact journals with hundreds of citations, a recent Nature paper that's opening a promising new direction for my research that I could use as my faculty pitch, and good connections at a bunch of top research universities. So I think it's possible I could find something reasonably good.

But I'm also prepared for the axe of random chance to dash any hopes of that, so I'd be fine with a staff scientist position of some sort too. I'm not too attached to any particular outcome other than being pretty unenthusastic about working in industry.

>>12594118
>other than being pretty unenthusastic about working in industry.

Have you thought about become a professor?

>>12590905
most software engineers do pajeet tier work, like all the web & phone app devs.

how many of u actually do something that requires STEM talent?

>>12592439
see:
>>12594419

>>12594419
>how many of u actually do something that requires STEM talent?

We do use STEM talent, have you see the COVID-19 Vaccine Simulator that I made?

>>12594401
Yeah that's what I mean by making a faculty pitch and finding something reasonably good at a top research university. That's plan A.

>>12594534
Whats your PhD in?

>>12594544
Physics

>>12591087
Going by the average retard on this board and the constant 8 (division sign) 2(2+2) = 16
>it's actually done first by dividing out 2,000,000 / 4,000,000,000,000
>you see this is the rules of PEMDAS / BIDMAS and distributivity of division over the square root law
> which then leads to (5e^-7)^2
>which is simply 2.5e^-13

>>12592437

if i am of no use to anyone other than to bang out code all day, then i shall starve.

>Why do you look down on software engineering anon?
For the same reason I look down to any other engineer.

>>12592748
>Your knowledge will be obsolete in 50-100 years
>orbital mechanics still go on for 300 years
meanwhile in software engineering
>new JS framework every 6 months

>>12591087
Do you have rigorous proof of this?

>>12590905
I don't look down on software engineering in general.
I look down on menial shit like Web Development which require no mathematical reasoning.

If I just wanted to make as much money as possible I could have gone into medicine or business or running some ponzi scheme

Im pretty happy being an aero engineer and working on technology whose power I believe in

Coding is fun but it isn't worth giving up intellectual growth over even if its easy money

Granted AI and cybersecurity are fascinating new fields but a software engineering degree isn't the only way to access them; knowing a programming language and how computers are built (memory allocation and all that) puts you at the same level as a script kiddie with a bachelors, just less experience, and you just self-teach the basics of AI or cyber.

>but for now pic related, the technology Im working on

>>12591279
>confusing software "engineers" with software engineers

>>12592439
webdev is like factory work, programming is more like engineering where it's 90% documentation and design and 10% actually programming

>>12598451
>Coding is fun but it isn't worth giving up intellectual growth over
What? How is coding giving up intellectual growth? If you only learn what you're taught by your professors, you're a midwit anyway. You don't stop growing intellectually by finding uses of the theory you have been taught. People seperate work and their interests (here: interest in science).
>and you just self-teach the basics of AI or cyber.
Just self-teach, bro is a meme. Can be said about anything and is not true.

>>12598471
civil engineers construct buildings and bridges, software engineers construct iOS apps.

>>12598783
I construct ballistics software

>software "engineers"
calling it an engineering or a science is disrespectful to anyone working in either of those fields.
>but we make so much moneys!!!
cool? so do bankers.
software "engineering" is dependent on what you are working on
webdev = person without loving parents
javadev = person without loving parents
c# dev = person without parents
pythondev = scientist ( still gross )
lisp dev = wizard
c/c++ dev = human
it's not entirely retarded, but there is also what you are doing
also achievements, if you are a programmer for a game, you get money and your name in the credits
if that's enough for you to live your life as an average person then so be it
I would rather be hardware/firmware developer because at least I am doing something new
unless you're doing infosec which is pretty cool