/sci/ - Science & Math

You're a drug addict loser

Amanita muscaria give you literal godmode

>>12581002
>addicted to shrooms
You’re clearly not intelligent enough to have this conversation with unless ur trolling then i had a good laugh

>>12580993
NPC alert

>>12580993
All I can get from where I live is raw mh bark, you get some cool visuals but there's literally no combination or recipe involving it that won't make you puke your guts out.

>>12580993
>Dude I ate some mushrooms and giggled like an idiot while staring at my hands for three hours straight
>oMg psychedelics are so profound!
Druggies smdh

Psychedelics have the effect of everything feeling more profound than it actually is. I enjoy them, but don't hold too much weight into the experiences

>>12581002
/thread.

>>12580993
>>12581014
>i take hallucinogens and i hallucinate, is this the key to all secrets of the universe?
kys.

>>12581295
This

Everyone thinks they have something spiritual happen when taking on bigger doses, but every trip is a different personal experience and would have different insights. The insights are actually gibberish that make no sense when sober because it's all meaningless.

>>12580993
>>12581369
The sad part is, we spend hours a day shitposting on forums or social media, or watching videos of people, or playing wydya games, all while we're hallucinating that we're doing actual human interaction. Apart from the absence of the crushing numbness, I'm guessing a shroom trip really wouldn't be that different. So heck, I'd take the shroom if I could get it. Wherever it takes me, I doubt it'd be much worse than here.

>>12581379
I enjoy psychedelics but I've learned to take the trip itself at face value, which a lot of people don't know how to do. I've known a lot of morons who've taken psychs and they're still morons after the trip is done, they just think they have all of the answers now. They take their consciousness personally because after all, it's happening to them.

The interesting thing about experimenting with them is that we've better been able to rationalize and quantify a lot of previously deemed "ineffable" components of human experience, we're able to take nebulous concepts like "meaning" and "profundity" and resign them to neurotransmitters and their processes, which I think is really cool.

I try to take the trip itself for a fun ride, but what's more important to me at the end of the day is the changes I observe in the weeks and months following the trip. Last time I had a heavy trip was before covid, but I typically enjoy a solid few months of elevated mental wellness, productivity, and clarity of mind following each experience, I just try to take whatever batshit visions I had at face value, their being the product of a mind rapid-firing without abandon

>>12580993
>What are they doing in my brain to make me think on such a different level
you ever hit a tv screen and watch the image shake and go blurry and maybe produce visual artefacts? thats basically what its doing to your brain

>>12581780
>we're able to take nebulous concepts like "meaning" and "profundity" and resign them to neurotransmitters and their processes, which I think is really cool.

Folks, he might not even be human

>>12581379
>The insights are actually gibberish that make no sense when sober because it's all meaningless.
The insights make sense but you can't understand them while sober because they're too far out of your established for knowledge and reasoning. If you ar ehonest, and you have something sufficiently generalized, you can make sens eof it.

>>12581002
Taking them once in your life probably makes you more of an entrepreneur similar to taxoplasmosis.

>>12580993
If someone tells you that this or that especially in regards of a substance is the key to well anything really but more importantly outrageous claims then you are being lied to, groomed to be in some sort of cult or the person is likely making money off of you (yes there can be exceptions but those would most likely be very few and far in between)

>>12581003
It would definately fuck up your liver if prepared incorrectly and thereby in extension I guess getting you closer to whatever deity you choose to believe in

>>12581369
The whole hallucination part is a huge excaggeration

>>12581780
I understand that it could be fun I guess but would advise to be wary about using things that can put you in a overly suggestive state around others.

>>12581900
You can kind of sort of internal struggles you're going through and that provides some long term benefit. I specifically like that it makes you more aware of your patterns of behavior, and highlights unnecessary ones so you can correct them. All in all most epiphanies you will have are the whole "everything is connected and each choice you make matters." All of this you can figure out sober but if you know how to navigate the headspace you can control thought loops and instead turn them into racing thoughts. Sounds bad but if you're not prone to anxiety it's fine. Once you've done it once or twice you'll start to recognize these patterns yourself, then the psychedelics become more of a form of entertainment and stimulation

>>12580993
4-HO-MiPT > shrooms

>>12581003
Redpill me on what tripping on Amanita muscaria is like

>>12582524
I don’t even like the feeling of tripping I like having my wits about me and being in control but I do like the feeling afterwards of being able to actually sit down and think about things I have internalized and been too scared to dwell into, like after my first trip I called my brother I haven’t talked too in 5 years and had a conversation

>>12582604
Benadryl + alcohol + LSA
It's not great

>>12580993
Giving your brain positive feedback loops, like google deepdream.

You're retarded if you think this is access to some deeper truth of the universe.

Stop doing drugs you retards

ITT : literal NPCs.

>>12580993
The only drug I get high on is love.

>>12583242
Sounds kinda gay

>>12583341
Rejecting love is actually almpst archetypally homosexual. Think about it. Man as heaven, woman as earth. Man as square, woman as circle. Man as potential, woman as ground. Man as knife, woman as sheathe. It goes on. The Mesopotamian (and bliclical) notion of forbidde n fruit was all about man coming to KNOW nature. Man's attempt to know a woman is his attempt to understand mother nature herself. Therefore if he cannot or rejects love, he might as well be autoerotic, he will never know a woman, he will never know himself, he will never know something which is not his own mind and his own reflection.

>>12583358
Dude shut up lmao

>>12583376
No, fag. And next I'm coming for the rainbow too. The monochrome wrapping themselves in the full spectrum, what utter projection.

>>12580993
>Am I just a tweaker or are these literally the keys to the secrets of the universe?
>What are they doing in my brain to make me think on such a different level

Increasing blood flow to the brain & increasing synaptic connections.

>>12580993
If they were the keys to the secrets of the universe, we would have unlocked those secrets

>>12583358
what about MTGOW?

>>12583519
People often fail to mention this about psychedelics despite it being one of its best attributes. The 'trip knowledge' itself is almost always worthless drug addict schizo drivel; but the actual experience is likely a healthy thing for the longevity of the brain as it seems to encourage neuroplasticity

>>12583697
Sometimes I go on shroom benders where I do them every 2 weeks sometimes every week.

I have been doing this for years (not consecutive binges for years mind you, just when I pick up a bag I go through them like candy.)

If I wanted to do that long term for the sheer purpose of promating neuroplasiticity how and recreationally enjoying the side effect of the trip often would be a good timeframe?

>>12582294
Fedoralord

>>12580993
Name 1 'secret' you've unlocked from using shrooms.

I've done alot of psychedelics, and i do love them and value the experiences, but in the end i was left with more questions than answers.

They're particularly valuable for introspection and can have a lasting positive impact on your personal life, but in terms of answering anything about the physical nature of reality they don't give you anything you couldn't already read in a book. There are moments under the influence where everything kind of clicks and makes perfect sense, but it doesn't last and kind of falls apart upon a sober analysis of the experience

>>12583358
>>”a-anon are you alright up there? you’ve been making a lot of weird sounds up there for the last few hours, we’re coming up to check on you”

>>12580993
Ive doon shrooms and acid and even ayahuasca once..
Its fun. It kinda gets you out from cathegorical thinking - lets you observe yourself in this broken state - you can learn a lot about yourself that way..

Mushrooms helped me overcome depression.
Ive been going to therapy for a year for a clinical depression - i wanted to murder my father - and suffered a nervous breakdown because all of the stress and i broke down - became catatonic - was lying in bed and crying for a month..
Many months of many drugs and therapy and i only felt worse - i dont blame the therapist - its my fault i could not do anything he told me.. Of course that would mean i could not recover - if i ignored all his advice and didnt take my meds.

But when i tried shrooms - poof its gone - why - because they got me out of this fucked up thniking loop - i realised that im not actually depressed - my brain is - as soon as i started writing down all intrusive thoughts that trigger depressive and suicidal episodes - i got cured - i would never done this without shrooms.
So yes - they have huge therapeutic properties..

BUT SECRETS OF THE UNIVERSE
LOL your brain is literally fried and you are watching pretty colors
Dont get blinded by the color show. You can be more scientific than that. Im not smarter because i took shrooms - i just got more self aware - i found out more about myself.
Shrooms dont give you anything - they just jumble up your brain - and if you dont know how to use that for your own benefit - then you are missing out.
I did shrooms like 12 times in my life - once every year in nature surrounded with friends - every one of those times was like free therapy.

Maybe it can help you think outside of the box but remember - mushrooms are not letting you pick up alien signals that bring utmost wisdom - no those signals are made up by your brain.

You are the alien - you are the machine elf - its your subconscious talking to you - and if youre dumb - so will your aliens be

>>12583898
How can you know for sure that feeling the purity of pretty colors isn't the secret to the universe?

>>12581780
>we're able to take nebulous concepts like "meaning" and "profundity" and resign them to neurotransmitters and their processes
Can you explain this, or reference it, a bit further? Sounds really interesting.

>>12583519
Praise our new Gary Overlord!

>>12583847
Yeah, I will be more impressed when someone trips balls and comes back with an amazing theory that can be independently verified through experiment.

>>12584082
actually thats how the shape of dns was discovered, look it up.

>>12584117
Lol, you are semi-correct: https://maps.org/research/psilo-lsd/lsd-news-timeline/2054-nobel-prize-genius-crick-was-high-on-lsd-when-he-discovered-dna

>>12584129
That doesn't sound correct at all, its lsd, not shrooms and lsd isn't as responsible for the revelation as High Times and Rolling Stone would have you believe.

>>12584117
>steal someone else's work
I got the idea from LSD! (not shrooms you idiot)
>produces nothing else of worth in his career
>goes full retard and says shit that anyone of any intelligence would know would get you fucked over
Funny that.

>>12584191
>says shit that anyone of any intelligence would know would get you fucked over
do you suggest it is best to just keep your mouth shut, since the correct view is unpopular?

>>12581771
keke

>>12583740
Drug addicts smdh

>>12584117
That's a fabrication
>>12584208
The views he's talking about weren't correct lol

>>12584208
Yea and if you don't shut your mouth, I will shut it for you.

>>12584235
>The views he's talking about weren't correct lol
Niggers are dumdums. That's 100% correct

>>12584250
com fight me big boy

You're just looking at shit from a different viewpoint that you can't access while sober.

There are no secrets, just a different angle.

>>12584339
How is it not a secret of the universe that anything can just take something to have a different angle of their consciousness?

What's wrong with doing lsd because I like the trips?

>>12584406
tolerance and deteriorating gains

>>12581014
>addict in denial
Get help

What's the max dose in a single session that you can take but not end up like Syd Barrett? I have 10x 220ug LSD. Will I become Professor X if I take 3?

>>12584129
Stop posting this bullshit, acidhead.

>I am frequently asked for my opinion on the speculation that Francis Crick was on LSD when he discovered the double helix; or that he was involved with a man named Dick Kemp in the manufacture of LSD. These assertions were reported second hand in an article in the Mail on Sunday by Alun Rees following Crick's death and they have since gained a certain amount of traction on the internet. Both stories are wrong. The true story, which I was told directly by Crick's widow and by the man who (as his widow confirms) first supplied the Cricks with LSD, is much less sensational. Crick was given (not sold) LSD on several occasions from 1967 onwards by Henry Todd, who met the Cricks through his girlfriend. Todd did know Kemp, with whom he was eventually prosecuted, but the Cricks did not. As for the implausible idea that the then impoverished and conventional Crick would have had access to LSD when it was newly invented in the early 1950s, there is simply no evidence for it at all. Those who wish to argue that LSD helped Crick make discoveries should note that all his major breakthroughs in molecular biology were made before 1967

http://www.mattridley.co.uk/books/francis-crick-discoverer-of-the-genetic-code/

>>12581003
I should have picked some this year.

>>12582604
Valium.

>>12583015
Literal frightened Peter Hitchens clones, aye

>>12583550
Big Pharma and Alphabet agencies says
>Nothing to see here. Move along. Enjoy legal drugs which keep you dull and rake us profits and control

>>12583847
Well in a trial they alleviated severe depression after 1 dose.
thereby removing immense profits for many vested interests

>>12580993
All recreational drugs currently illegal should be classed properly and regulated

>>12584607
Your tabs have at most 25% of the advertised amount, sometimes as low as 5-10%

>>12580993
are these literally the keys to the secrets of the universe?
No. I mean, its not unheard of that some people become somewhat more creative, empathetic or unearth some kind of inner spirituality because of their trips, but thats about it.
Tbh most of the time its just a jumbled mess of "ideas" and "epiphanies" that make sense in the moment but once you sober up those ideas are, more often than not, indecipherable (because they werent anything substantial to begin with).
That being said, I do see their potential in research to study how the brain works (which in and of itself could be considered a secret of the universe depending on how you look at it). All in all they're just weird chemicals, fun as hell though.

>>12584625
thanks

>>12582655
>Giving your brain positive feedback loops
why would this be bad?

>>12585006
Nobody said it's bad
It's just not some magic key to unlock deep truths

>>12584751
I've always wondered about this claim. One of the basic rules is to be in a positive frame of mind when taking psychedelics otherwise you will most likely have a bad trip and end up feeling worse. How does the patient not end up in a negative thought loop? Even if microdosing would this still not happen? Seems crazy to me to take LSD or Psilocybin when depressed, I've not touched my stash since these UK lockdowns have happened to avoid bad trips.

>>12580993
You can see life differently and uniquely without drugs you know. Don't have to consume those poor mushrooms to do that. It's called reluctance.

What a shit thread psychs have a few uses
>take shrooms
>remember how strong gravity is
>decide I should probably tell people I love them more and be nice
>laugh
>makes me appreciate basic living
Its good for just a reset once and a while. Microdosing is a good alternative to amphetamines, but more just taking the psychedelic's out of psychedelic's to fit into modern work schedules. Junkies are junkies bc of their lives, if your life isn't shit, and you can have fun with family and friends without a substance you aren't an addict. Dependency is its own thing.

>>12585055
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196673/new-wave-psychedelic-research-yielding-exciting/

Also MDMA and Ketamine.

But big Pharma will block investigations WITH support because it will cut into their SSRI and other drug lines.

It's about tailoring for right person and right dose WITH support from good psychiatry.

Holistic Avicennan mode

cringing hard rn ngl

>>12585331
No microdosing is a shitty idea not only due to the extreme increase in tolerance when it comes Psilocin/Psilocybin and other psychedelics rendering it basically null and void but also due to the fact that you aren't letting your receptors rest/"fill up" well ever.

Nah not really a junkie is a junkie no matter if the person happens to be a CEO or living in the gutter the only difference is mainly the substances of choice and disposable income in conjunction with lower risk for being arrested and losing everything, not that I would ever really use that term but nothing is more pathetic than when a junkie/alcoholic looks down on another junkie/alcoholic because it makes them feel better.

Addiction is psychological and fysiological dependence which can happen for pretty much anything but moreso with things that makes someone feel good or better.

"Microdosing" (I've heard a lot of different dosages and some have been far from "micro" they have in some cases even being above what would be considered a low threshold dose so I have a hard time taking the whole "micro" thing seriously when there is nothing "micro" about it) seems like a weird idea to start with I mean you are taking one of few substances that arguably doesn't cause dependance and then you start taking it daily which might risk dependance if not I wouldn't want to see what happens when you remove that daily dose after a long time when it's time for some empty receptors to replenish =/

What would make someone want that in the first place seeing as the natural thing is normally being content and not really being interested in more for quite a while after a "trip" or so I've heard.

I'm just a bit sceptical that's all but then again I haven't read much about it, it just seems like any effect would be more or less placebolike due to the skyrocket tolerance and/or damaging over the long term but then again who knows.

>>12584625
That sounds like a load of bs if I ever heard it and what does him allegedly being poor have anything to do with anything, wasn't he attached to a university around that time and being in the field of molecular biology he most likely knew a whole lot of people that dabbled in different things, from tge sound of it he was in an excellent position to get his hands on LSD in fact in a far better position than most of anything.

>>12584771
Not everyone who market a product is cunt anon

>>12585055
I don't see why you would take it if you weren't depressed to begin with well I see why but to alleviate depressions seems like one of the best actual use cases for it other than to treat migraines (there is a medicine out there called sumatriptan which is based on psilocybin/psilocin if I remember correctly) that is.

Not promoting drug use, I'm just saying but yes your state of mind does matter to a degree but I would say your environment has a greater overall impact seeing as you most likely will feel a lot better when it starts working which of course could possibly turn less pleasant later on but I don't think it's possible not actually feeling good (euphoria) as that's pretty much what it does, the whole hallucination part is vastly exaggerated it's mostly just modified perception (depth) and such as well as inanimate objects "moving" it is all mainly about how it makes you feel the whole psychedelic/hallucination part isn't really the main thing and is usually greatly exaggerated.

>>12580993
They just make your brain more liquid and flexible. Nothing more. It's you who knows the secrets.

>>12584751
Not really, personally I wouldn't touch their rat poison either way so they wouldn't hypothetically have ever lost a dime other than me not getting even worse with scary as hell side effects giving them a chance to add more pills and so on which wouldn't happen either way so no noone would have missed out on any profits from shitty poisons

>>12586412
Melts your brain into mush..?

>>12581369
>i take hallucinogens and i hallucinate, is this the key to all secrets of the universe?

"Increased visual cortex cerebral blood flow (CBF), decreased visual cortex alpha power, and a greatly expanded primary visual cortex (V1) functional connectivity profile correlated strongly with ratings of visual hallucinations, implying that intrinsic brain activity exerts greater influence on visual processing in the psychedelic state, thereby defining its hallucinatory quality."

https://www.pnas.org/content/113/17/4853

The brain, being a biomechanical piece of technology, shaped by a self-replicating process of lifeforms through evolutionary processes, limited solely by the constraints of the physical properties of the universe, might just hold some information ABOUT those very constraints, both through being shaped by them as well as being an analytical machine designed to optimally navigate the lifeform within those properties.

>>12585656
rofl

Seeing as SSRI, SNRI and the like are all worthless crap that fuck people up it doesn't really matter at all or bring anything to the table in the first place.

Why would you ever need any "support" from psychiatry?

You wouldn't want anyone really messing with your brain in such a state and the only thing I hear when you write your correct dose bs is that you likely want to make sure that the dosage is too small to actually do something (or even worse add a bunch of other substances to the mix in order to make it into a shitty pill or something forgetting all about the fact that very few if any substances are completely inactive and will have a impact) while adding psychiatry to the mix to actually make it ever do something which isn't at all needed if you have access to substances like that seeing as they do their own thing no psychiatry needed.

For Ketamine just calculate a decent dosage for your weight but err on the side of caution then preferably administer it I.M. or if not possible for some reason then orally I guess, if not enough then just add more for next time you have to feel your way to how much you need also depending on what result you are looking for seeing as the difference between a low, moderate and "k-hole" dose are monumental and while you never really do need a very large dose I guess a very low dose as opposed to a medium one wont really do anything of worth.

Think the LD50 is pretty high but K can be addictive though and MDMA well both yes and no K and Psilocybin/Psilocin is vastly superior in regards to combat depression or the like.

Just don't see what psychiatry has do to with these substances at all because with it you could easily just cut psychiatry out of the mix seeing as it wouldn't serve any purpose, it just wouldn't be needed.

>>12581822
You mean like when an old TV is blurry and you hit it and it starts working correctly with sharp images?

>>12580993
a nap would be more spiritually awakening , take a nap OP

i had severe depression for many years caused by ptsd. 1 mushroom trip caused me to breakup with my girlfriend, move across the country and start improving my life. i am happy now and grateful to be alive. thank you based mushroom

>>12586801
Please write atleast 3 different blog posts about your story, from different perspective...

Only mention mushrooms non narcotically, like don't give trip too much space.

>>12586476
Actually, in this case, it'll be lowering or broadening channels...

It's equation from computer science like 3 pages long, why acid makes you like that, and why it's good.

It's computational biochemistry physics.

But it's soulless.

With soul, we just accept acid is good friend, and it makes you notice things that ware unnoticed, but whole time there.

>>12587473
That's not what I thought you meant and I couldn't resist twisting it.

Since when is knowledge or explanations for why things work like they do soulless?

But you can't really equate ≈ergot or well LSD with Psilocybin/Psilocin, Baeocystin and so on can you?

>>12586312
Psychedelics are receptor agonists dumbass they don't "empty receptors"

>>12588132
Guess that could make sense seeing as there isn't any in the lack of a better term hangover

Isn't it kind of interesting though that Baeocystin doesn't seem to be deemed a narcotic in some countries both by national legislation and the UN narcotics thingy.

Haven't found that much regarding the substance in and of itself but would be interesting to read any research about it.

Just saying that it might be easier to do research on it if it's not a scheduled narcotic.

>>12581771
Based Feldmár poster

>>12584129
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>>12584235

Also the PCR method was alsodiscovered with the help of LSD according to the inventor

>>12584625
>>12588637
"Mullis had told him that LSD had "helped him develop the polymerase chain reaction that helps amplify specific DNA sequences".[61]

Judging by half the replies in this thread, shrooms cause Reddit-spacing

>>12588164
Baeocystin mushrooms grow thin straw... Almost ultimately...

Atleast, that's what I may think... Maybe even aminated port on that nitrogen down bottom is possible.

Also we should rename it to paneolicin, because baeu is wrong, and cups of mushrooms are up, not down.

>>12583015
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>>12584129
>w-w-what? what do you mean that psychedelics don't actually make me more intelligent? don't you know that I wasted 12 hours of my life in an altered state of mind and saw the world through a drug induced lens?
You have to fucking go back. If not all of (you) then at least OP, because I know that at least he is from Reddit. You people smell bad IRL and in general you make the people around you uncomfortable without even realizing it. Scurry off back to your Discord where you can talk about your degenerate, doped up escapades to your hearts content within your own confinement.