/sci/ - Science & Math

First for Long March

Pssshoooooooooooofffffffff

>>12574859
When will BN1 fly? Any guesses?

>>12574871
Before Artemis 1

>>12574873
But after New Glenn

Fuck fuck fuck

I hope that british guy took our advice and didn't stay up for this. Poor guy.

>>12574877
Post pic of a mostly complete New Glenn

>>12574864
>Starring: Alec Baldwin as Winnie the Pooh
Would watch desu

>>12574884
best i got

>>12574864
Based 中国航天 will win

*Ahem* I would like to make an announcement

it's still puffing

>>12574899
still POOFing?
chance of recycle?

>>12574899
Yup, why end the stream if paypiggies gonna keep payin?

>>12574884

>>12574898
>fuck fuck
>boing urf

>>12574884
This is all we’ve got. It’s from 9 months ago.

>>12574892
Do you do this for free or do they pay you?

>>12574914
>This is all we’ve got. It’s from 9 months ago.
what the fuck

>>12574914
>do they pay you?
They don't kill him, which is sorta like getting paid

>>12574859
According to sources the last guy seem to be working on sn9 is named Jeffry Bezzoso.

A new guy. Maybe he’s got something to do with this abort?

>>12574859
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12574914
That's not a real barrel. they said it was a mockup for fit checks

>>12574859
The nightmare is over SLS bros...
we can finally rest easy

>>12574928
Heh...SLS will not scrub during its Static Fire due to decades of AMERICAN engineering...

>>12574928

>>12574930
Can't scrub a static fire if you never have a static fire

HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS FOLKS....THAT ICE AIN'T MELTED YET!!

>>12574930
>RUDs during static fire
>Ha at least we didn't abort!

>>12574938
You will never be a woman

>>12574938
the more money you give NSF the faster the static fire will happen

>>12574944
Starship will never reach orbit

>>12574944
>>12574950
Why do anons post this waste

Pssssssssssshhhhhhhhoooooooooooooooowwwwww

>>12574945
do they browse here? obviously they're redditors...right?

>>12574958
dilate

tank farm back up to full steam

possible recycle

what do you guys think the actual technical reason for these aborts is?

What the fuck are they doing?

>>12574982
No clue, nothing broke it seems since the venting seemed pretty regular and controlled.

SN9 edging.

>>12574985
It's an absolute disaster

>>12574992
Your life is an absolute disaster.

I met a traveler from an antique land...

>>12574985
>venting seemed very legal and very cool

>>12575018
Huh?

>>12575017
kek

>>12574770
This episode was everything good and bad about The Expanse
>Children of a Dead Earth style combat with Amazon tier CGI
>Naomi self insert Mary Sue causes literally every problem but it's okay because she's a brown yass queen slaying so we're supposed to think she's "good"

It’s gonna be awesome to distill petroleum on Mars

are they seriously still bothering with suborbital space tourism?

>>12575025
it's a retarded reddit show through and through, it has nothing going for it. White men are so 20th century, the future is brown and beautiful.

Just had an interesting thought. Would silicon based life have analogues of petroleum ?

>>12575031
I am Filipino and if I see another Mexican in my state I’m moving to Montana

no more big puffs but ship still cold

>>12575028
God I hope Blue eventually had an RUD it would be funny as fuck.

>>12575035
I have severe beaner fatigue as well.
t. norcal

>>12575035
Obligatory "fuck off we're full."

>>12575041
They already had one but it got memory holed

>>12575047
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>12575035
Leave Montana alone.

>>12574560
i'll repost it in this thread cuz the original anon isnt

>local Anonymous 4chan user says "FUCK the twitter tranny's and redditor's cable deathtraps! The only thing we need is THE CLAW!"
more pics in the other thread

>>12575052
Based rebost anon

>>12575052
Love the CLAW
hail the CLAW

>>12575052
I assure you that for the first few years Superheavy will land using legs.

There's no way Mars is going to stay under the thumb of America for very long but what about colonies from other countries?

>>12575052

>>12575062
Chinese colony gets one taste of freedom and then suddenly a Long March 8 booster crashes into their habitat due to a grid fin error

>>12575025
Guess I made the right choice in ignoring it. I used to see hullo make videos about it and that was enough to not bother. Guy tweets sincerely about wakanda shit.

>>12575062
The Chinese Martian base will eventually break away from the mainland and the consequences of it will be felt across the Solar System

>>12575052
The claw! It moves!

>>12575065

>>12575062
Anyone going to Mars in the next 100 years will be doing it by the grace of SpaceX so it depends entirely on what agreement those countries can reach with them.

>>12575052
>anon's superheavy claw when it tries to bring over the booster for refurbishment

there's alot of ground level gas at boca

>>12575087
sorry

>>12575079
Imagine if a Japanese lands on Mars before a Chink...god I love this timeline

>>12575079
>Japanese are the first to land on Mars
>Japanese are East Asian
>they would be pretty chill and prosperous on Mars
>lots of cooperative work too
>Mars is a sphere
>East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere

>>12574989
>tags: orgasm denial
pffffft it fits. SN9-tan doujins when

it's ogre

>>12575052
then I'll post the images after along with the text

>First is the elevators and arresting system.
>Pretty much just lifts the whole arm and then uses a ton of air cylinders to slow the falling booster.

>Anon donated $14.88 to NSF stream

>>12575111
>So here is the base of the arm and the horizontal tracks.
>Uses electric motors to shift the arm to the sides.

>>12575025
quintessentially british

>>12575115
>The arm itself can extend as well, although I've probably drawn it with too few/ too small cylinders.

>>12575111
There's no need to repost everything all over again, archive lasts for like a week.
Maybe one post with a bunch of link-backs in it.

>>12575052
I want it to grab me lads.

>>12575098
>Starship is a qt Amazon volleyball player with silver hair and pale skin.
>Falcon 9 works at a pet shop after school called “Of Course I Still Love You.”
>Falcon 9 Block V is Falcon 9’s half-sister. She is a mulatto girl with light skin but black, frizzy, hair. She’s a tomboy who plays football so she gets dirty and dusty a lot.
>Electron is a qt petite black girl who spends all her time in the library. She is very sweet but can get very tired a lot.
> Atlas V used to be the hottest girl at school until Falcon 9 and her sister Block V showed up. Atlas V wears a white tube top and orange flare pants.
>Delta IV and Atlas V are friends, and they are part of the “ULA” club after school. They are very mean and are plotting to embarrass Falcon 9 and Block V...one day...eventually.
>Saturn V is the MILF teacher of the school. She dislikes Starship and Falcon 9 and Block V but is slowly starting to respect them.
>SLS is the queen bitch of the school. She’s the cheer team captain, and her Atlas V and Delta IV stoke her ego constantly. She bullies the Falcon 9 sisters constantly but is scared of Starship.
>New Shepard is a middle schooler who always sneaks onto the campus.

>>12575119
>The clamp clamps.
>The only thing special about it is the rollers at the top and bottom, and some rubber at the top to catch the bases of the grid fins (or lugs placed right beneath them)

>>12575130
>And finally the tower, nothing special about it.

>This concludes my TEDtalk.

>>12575098
>>12575129
>there is a space flight dry spell but /sfg/ gets lewder/weirder the longer it goes

>>12575133
It's just a good, solid, tower

>>12575136
This is not a problem. We need more rocket!girls manga

>The final form

So how was static fire

>>12575136
when the Snine hops this place is about to go BANANAS

>>12575182
Still waiting. Appears to be detanking, unlikely but still possible tonight
https://youtu.be/b4d__mxW7Ao

>>12575184
When Snine lands correctly the shills will find something else to complain about

>>12575182
Your guess is as good as mine. Looks like there must have been some kind of problem because we've never seen this sequence happen before. Roads are still closed two hours after they were meant to be opened and the rocket's still frosty.

>>12575197
Pneumatics problem? Is this planned?

>>12575195
Their next will be "still didn't make it to orbit"

>>12575207
They will never be satisfied. Starship can land and return from Mars and they’ll still say “Oh well it can’t go to Jupiter :)”

Believe.

>>12575197
>>12575187
tho they didn't extend road closures this time?

>>12575203
Like I said, your guess is as good as mine, but I doubt it was planned because they'd've had the road closures extended officially beforehand. They got all the way to sounding the siren just before the end of the window, which would've meant a static fire just after its end, but then it did the distinctive abort vent and there was lots more venting from the ground tanks. But there might've been a problem before that because the sequence was kind of odd - it took a long time for the engine to be chilled. I wonder if there was some minor issue cropping up, and they decided to chance it today instead of waiting for tomorrow - and it turned into something a bit more major.

>>12575217
Yeah, that's what makes me think it's a genuine issue, because the road's still closed and it can't've been the plan to piss off the local police by having an officer stuck out there for two hours after he was meant to be relieved.

Oh, road looks open now and there's traffic, so that's good.

I'm gonna miss the old gal.

static fire? aborted

>>12575133
Needs more red

>>12575195
I guarantee you I won't, but the shilling will become more contrived ;)

>>12575239
747’s always have such a distinct smell

>>12575239
why are they discontinuing?

>>12575239
hump was kino

>>12574914
>Do you do this for free or do they pay you?
It annoys me we can't talk about the second largest space program without getting posts like this.
China is doing some cool shit, what you think of the country doesn't change that. Hell I would even be excited about Israel doing something more interesting than smearing a lander across the moon.

>>12575264
"economics"

>>12575239
Interesting, I would have thought the US ban on Airbus sales would have kept the 747 around at least until Boeing had a replacement.

>>12575264
>Two engine planes are more fuel efficient
>Hub-spoke model replaced by point-to-point
>Older design
Stuff like that. The market has just completely dried for it.

Keep in mind, when Boeing designed the 747 there was a belief that SST was gonna take over. So the 747 was designed so that, should SST take over, it could easily be relegated to cargo usage.

>>12575150
Whoa, it's just like that documentary Pacific Rim

>>12575279
>PanAm

>>12575264
Economics, in other words, BOING is broke.

>>12575305
But they must've saved so much on all that outsourcing. And those H-1B salaries!

>>12575298
You don't need renderings to make them look futuristic.

>>12575305
>>12575277
Very wrong.

The market doesn't exist. What they designed the 747 for doesn't exist anymore.
Airbus, like dumb idiots, tried to compete with it. Why? The project was a huge money pit for them. Everyone saw the writing on the walls.

>>12575041
I'll never get the #teamspace mentality of hoping every rocket and space program goes well.
Fuck Boeing.
Fuck Blue Origin.
Fuck China.
Fuck the ESA.
Fuck SLS.
Fuck Roscosmos.
Fuck NASA.
Fuck the shuttle.
We need Apollo-era NASA and SpaceX. We're lucky to have one.

>>12575058
>Use landing legs for the first few flights intending to remove them in the future (like using nitrogen instead of autogenous pressurisation)
>End up using it in the end because it was already developed and far easier.

>>12575319

>>12575320
This. ULA has tried to kill SpaceX in the past. They are not SpaceX's friends. China is our enemy. They seek to expand their empire and subjugate all of Asia. Do not apologize for them. They deserve to die.

>>12575320
>I'll never get the #teamspace mentality of hoping every rocket and space program goes well.
I'm for it because it drives competition

>>12575065
That is one single serving in burgerland.
Leave it up to the Americans to turn their space infrastructure into Superheavygulp cupholders.

>>12575322
Honestly legs make way more sense. Something about an engine failure on landing taking out the pad scares me

>>12575328
Don't be jealous just because your thirst can be quenched with less than 50 gallons of sugar-water

The Dreamliner is beautiful.

>>12575298
Bring PanAm back.

>>12575342
I have it as a LEGO model set

>>12575298
>>12575319
>>12575359
KNOCK KNOCK PAN AM SHITS

Hey, 2002 called. It says it has a cool lander concept

>>12575379
Even my most ghetto kerbal landers look better than this

>>12575382
Who gives a fuck about looks?
Just get it to work, looks are irrelevant.

>>12575379
>logos and flags slapped fucking everywhere
>such a weak base design they had to add struts, making it look like a chinese frankenstein
>multiple stages with no reason to exist, half the damn lander gets scrapped anyways
>expensive
How in the name of fuck would NASA choose this over Starship or ALPACA

>>12575379
National Team is the best short term lander. Starship is the best future one. Feel free to debate me on this.

>>12575385
Nothing short about that ladder lmao

>>12575385
How is Starship not already the best lander?
Overbuilt? Still cheaper.
Unproven/unfinished? Goes for all of them.
Needs orbital refueling? Overblown issue. Same as space blindness.

>>12575383
It'll probably also work like shit too, God knows its an enormously inefficient piece of garbage.
>>12575385
You'd have to put forward something worth debating first, National Team shill.

>>12575385
Why do you think the national teams design is better than Dynetics HLS?
I think of all 3 the Dynetics design is the most practical for the sort term with the only real issue being political as they won't get as much funding as the national teams jobs program.

>>12575359

>>12575279
The 747 was originally a cargo plane design actually.

>>12575404
lunar dust contamination will be a major issue for them

>>12575407
>replace Shuttle SRBs with 2 SLS's
>keep external tank full during launch for TLI and lunar orbit insertion
>fill cargo bay with propellant
Why isn't this the most practical solution? It uses existing hardware and keeps all shuttle contractors on the payroll while avoiding the evils of orbital refueling.

>>12575404
I love this kitbash lander so much

>>12575412
Add an inflatable airlock to that sucker and you are golden

>Boeing
>747s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfh9-ogUgSQ

>>12575412
Because the ladder is too short? Just go up and down it a few times without touching the ground.
What solution does the NT's lander offer?

But seriously this design should be standard across all landers.

>>12575415
ALPACA is cute! Cute!

>>12575413
That's crazy talk anon, you might have a viable vehicle done in >20 years with that kind of thinking. How will Alabama survive? You fucking commie.

>>12575404
Dynetics’ lander is shit. It looks great don’t get me wrong, but it can only support a crew of 2 for 1 week on the surface, and a crew of 4 for less than a day as a “taxi.” Dynetics’ lander literally can’t meet the Artemis goal of landing more than 2 people on the moon at a time because of this. Also Dynetics’ lander lacks an airlock. This is bad. Lastly, their landing engines are right on the ground. If the lander touches down a bit too hard and crushes the engine bells (as happened on a few Apollo missions) the crew are screwed.

>>12575399
Starship relies on major technologies that are large unknowns at the moment. I want Starship to succeed, but it’s very ambitious. I don’t doubt Starship makes it to orbit this year. However the ability to store thousands of tons of fuel is unknown to us. LunarShip also requires the ability to receive at least a dozen tanker flights before it can land and return to the NRHO. This launch cadence has yet to be demonstrated by any vehicle larger than the Falcon 9, let alone something that is the size of Starship.

>>12575401
National Team’s lander is very conservative. It’s also very safe.
>Oh no our descent stage engine failed
>Don’t worry let’s just fire the ascent stage and abort to orbit
People complain about the ladder and I admit that I dislike it too, but it’s not that bad if you think about it.

Keep in mind that I do think Starship is the future, it just has to demonstrate A LOT of tech before it actually does it’s job. National Team and even Dynetics just have to build a lander. SpaceX has to make an entire infrastructure.

>>12575413
The shuttle would have to be significantly modified to land in a vacuum obviously, but aside from the crazy launch vehicle shaking itself apart I think the main problem would be the shuttle surviving the extra spicy re-entry coming back from the moon.

>>12575417
The forward cockpit section is already an airlock. The rear compartment remains pressurized.

>>12575426
Damn anon does BO pay by the word for your shilling

>>12575426
>Dynetics’ lander lacks an airlock
That’s wrong, though. Not sure if you’re trolling by pretending to be a Blue Origin shill, though.

>>12575426
>Starship relies on major technologies that are large unknowns at the moment.
Like?
>However the ability to store thousands of tons of fuel is unknown to us.
Haven't they done several wet dress rehersals?
>This launch cadence has yet to be demonstrated by any vehicle larger than the Falcon 9, let alone something that is the size of Starship.
Starship being the size it is makes higher launch cadence vastly easier to achieve.

>>12575437
>>12575436
Not trolling I just like National Team’s Lander a lot. I still think Starship is FAR superior just because it’s a gigantic base in and of itself, but I think NT will win the HLS contract.

>>12575439
Orbital refueling of cryogens is an unknown. Keeping cryogens liquid for several months is also unknown.

>>12575426
>crew of 4 for less than a day
Valid point.
>Also Dynetics’ lander lacks an airlock. This is bad
An airlock weights a lot more than a couple of tanks to re-pressurize the lander, we have known this since Apollo.
>their landing engines are right on the ground
They are higher than on the LEM, pic related.

>>12575427
I was just Shelby posting, I can't help myself.

Oh h-hi anon. I know you already hated me in my Shuttle form. But I got surgery! Now I am a real rocket!

>could you guys just stop being cunts for two seconds

>>12575399
I think my biggest worry with Starship is how tall it is. Landing on an unprepared surface could be a problem.
Having the engines way off the ground is a nice feature though.

>>12575447
SLS AINT NOTHIN BUT A TRANNY

>>12575447
I never hated you RS-25, you have always been a feat of engineering with great ISP from sea-level to vacuum.
You just hung around with a bad crowd that pressured you into silly situations.

>>12575448
How much is the fine? Might be worth the risk if you live in fucking Siberia or whatever.

>>12575444
>NT will win the HLS contract
Not at double the cost of the ALPACA, they won’t. Someone here can probably post that tweet referencing NASA’s heated response to Blue’s $10 billion bid.

Will Roscosmos even exist in the next 20 years? Makes me sad. I want the vodkabros to join us among the stars

>>12575460
Yes but they’ll still be using Soyuz and Angara will still be 2 years away

>>12575460
Depends how China treats them with trade, I think BRICS will do fine in the long run so long as they can survive the US throwing a tantrum as they fall from top spot.

>>12575463
Reminds me of a KSP RO video where they used soyuz capsules on a manned Venus landing mission

>>12575464
>BRICS will do fine in the long run
The only nations in BRICS that aren’t economically fucked for the foreseeable future are China and India. Brazil might do ok if it ever gets its shit together, but Russia and South Africa will never not be poor.

>>12575449
Agreed, I think any final design will end up with Falcon 9 style legs to give it a much wider base.

>>12574859
When will we have guns than can be carried that shoot rocket propelled bullets at minigun firing rates?

>>12575473
russia is still less poor than china kek

>>12575456
what should it be used for, second stage?

>>12575488
Rocket-bullets were explored decades ago, look into it. If you want to make a minigun with that well start designing.

>>12575493
Thats where your wrong kiddo

>>12575496
RS-25 can’t be restarted or air started. It’s designed to be a “sustainer” engine such as on the SLS or Shuttle. It’s T/W is too low and it’s cost is too high to make it a first stage engine, too

>>12575493
Russia has a smaller economy that Italy

>>12575342
love flying transatlantic on it.

>>12575488
I'm sure a Gyrojet rotary cannon wouldn't be too hard to build, it just wouldn't be too useful.

>>12575496
With a giant bell it would be a beast of a second stage engine.
I also kind of like hydrolox first stages with SRBs but not for crewed missions. A single SR-25 and a couple of SRBs would make a decent medium launch vehicle first stage.

>>12575447
do we know which engines are from which orbiter

>>12575460
>I want those who were taught for more than 50 years to consider my country their arch enemy, my way of living, my culture being degenerate, to join us among the stars so they can launch relativistic missiles at our every colony when they are sure that they can get away with it
>those who never stopped considering me their enemy and my country being at fault for all their problems even in their country's most relaxed period that lasted for about 15 years since ~1990
>vodkabros
>bros
Next you'll be calling chinks your bros, you fucking commie.

>>12575502
So an SLS type vehicle is the best use for it?

>>12575512
Yes. That’s a sad thing but seriously it’s perfect for SLS

>>12575502
>RS-25 can’t be restarted or air started
I'm sure airstart wouldn't be super hard to integrate on a single use design.
>It’s T/W is too low
When you consider propellant mass fraction engine T/W doesn't matter than much.
>it’s cost is too high
Agreed, she isn't cheap.

>>12575507
>A single SR-25 and a couple of SRBs would make a decent medium launch vehicle first stage.
isn't this basically Delta IV (with a single RS 68)

>>12574859
>Boeing’s Lunar HLS Lander literally stacks a STARLINER on top of a descent stage
AHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>12575385
National Team lander, if funded, will become SLS 2.0, it will always be ready in two years, an oldspace boondoggle. Nothing short term about it. Dynetics lander, if funded, will become Dream Chaser 2.0. It will never reach fruition as Dynetics is not commited to self funding. Starship will be completed with or without NASA funding. It's not a fucking contest

>>12575521
This would be shit in ksp let alone reality

>>12575521
Still better than the national team lander

>>12575413
Because it would cost $4.5 billion per launch?

>>12575520
Kind of, there are a heap of hydrolox first stages with SRBs to help with their shitty sea-level thrust.
The JAXA H-3 is a great example of what I'm talking about.

>>12575539
Remember, if you see a picture of Shelby it's not a serious post.

>>12575542
(it's hard to tell with SLS fans...)

>>12575548
I was an unironic SLS fan back when SpaceX was having trouble with Falcon Heavy and it seemed like the SLS schedule had stabilized around a 2020 launch.

>>12575548
I’m a fan of the SLS in the sense that it represents government space policy makers giving a shit about putting people beyond LEO. The execution is garbage, but at least they’re going in the right direction.

>>12575530
Rude and false

>>12575525
Yeah if Artemis is canned or pushed back National Team will dissolve and Dynetics will lie on their backs with their belly up. I take back what I said about Starship I love it I just think it’s very ambitious.

>>12575511
>brainwashed american spotted

>>12575548
>SLS fans
Are they like Bigfoot? I haven't seen one yet, only possibly fake footprint casts.

>>12575558
>>brainwashed american spotted
Unless you’re Chinese you should not be supporting their regime it’s the ultimate cuck move

>>12575525
>>12575556
holy fuck all hope would really be lost without Starship

>>12575521
Ignoring Starship, could you use a Dragon as a HLS? Add some legs to the trunk and stuff landing propellant in it and use it as a descent stage.

>>12575555
>5555
You make a good point, it's the wrong method for the right objective

>>12575568
Sure but it would suck as a lander. It lacks room for an airlock, and has a strange capsule shape. What the Boeing Module doesn’t show is that their lander has a small airlock built into the descent stage. The Boeing Lander doesn’t have the issue of using the capsule as an airlock. A Dragon Derived Lander would probably have an airlock in it’s trunk

>>12575558
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>>12575267
China still hasn't done anything that hasn't already been done by several other nations. When they do something unique, like a permanent Moon base, then I'll pay attention. Until then, they're the generic Android phones of spaceflight.

>>12575359
Already been done, just not in the form you're expecting.

>>12575413
All of the shuttle contractors retooled long ago.

>>12575025
I'm going to laugh myself retarded if Naomi gets spaced for her monkeyshines and Monica becomes Mrs. Hodken.

>>12575427
imagine the lunar dust tearing apart the foam tiles.....

>>12575511
What age were you when you realised the American propaganda was stronger, /sci/?

>>12575627
Are you chinese?

>>12575052
:DDDDD

How do we kick soi boys out of space flight? They’re turning me off space shit. We need more werner von brawn’s, not Simp Dodd’s.

Space should be chad only.

>>12575511
>my culture being degenerate
How can anyone possibly deny this

>>12575511
>he thinks the cold war is still ongoing
hlep

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-promoting-small-modular-reactors-national-defense-space-exploration/

>>12575636
>>12575564
>everyone I don't like is chinese

>>12575673
It so happens to be the case that, that is in fact true

>>12575654
Post timestamped bicep or fuck off

>>12575672
Within 180 days of the date of this order, the NASA Administrator, in consultation with heads of other executive departments and agencies (agencies), as appropriate, shall define requirements for NASA utilization of nuclear energy systems for human and robotic exploration missions through 2040 and analyze the costs and benefits of such requirements. In defining these requirements, the NASA Administrator shall take into account considerations unique to the utilization of nuclear energy systems in space, such as:

(i) transportability of a reactor prior to and after deployment;

(ii) thermal management in a reduced- or zero-gravity environment in a vacuum or near-vacuum;

(iii) fluid transfer within reactor systems in a reduced or zero-gravity environment;

(iv) reactor size and mass that can be launched from Earth and assembled in space;

(v) cooling of nuclear reactors in space;

(vi) electric power requirements

(vii) space safety rating to enable operations as part of human space exploration missions;

(viii) period of time for which a reactor can operate without refueling; and

(ix) conditioning of reactor components for use in the space environment.

>>12575676
yep, I'm thinking BASED

>>12575673
Bruh why are you even defending the Chinese? They don’t respect people who turn on their own.

>>12575670
Explain how it’s not? Lol

>>12575654
>kick soi boys out of space flight
No, they have plebbit and we have /sfg/, we can ignore eachother while keeping as many pro-space voters as possible.

>>12575681
It kinda fizzelled out with the soviet union, and Russia has much better relatios with the US than the USSR ever had

>>12575676
Sorry sweaty, Biden's gonna delete all of Trump's EOs and cancel space to Build Back Better.

>>12575681
What's wrong with the chinese?
Their rockets are really nice looking and it puts a few coals under the US to actually get something done in space

>>12575035
based flip

>>12575676
NERVA here we come, a nuclear tug running between LEO and TLI makes a lot of sense.
>dock to tug in LEO
>tug does TLI burn
>undock tug
>tug does a small retrograde burn to stay in earth orbit
>big retrograde burn at periapsis to return to LEO
>wait for next TLI mission

>>12575672
>>12575676
What are the chances of this thing staying afloat? The new president will probably try to appease the nukular bad crowd, right?

>>12575686
The new Cold War isn’t about the US and Russia. It’s about the US and China.

>>12575688
The Chinese are seeking dominion over the pacific, man. They are not our allies.

>>12575693
He'll do whatever moneyed interest pays/blackmails him the most.

>>12575696
but can you deny the coolness factor of chinese rockets?

>>12575693
>What are the chances of this thing staying afloat?
Zero if chinky Joe manages to get sworn in, 100% otherwise.

>>12575691
Pulsed NTR unlocks everything between Venus and fucking Saturn.

>>12575708
I know at this point Trump won't be having a second term, I just wish he had the balls to declassify impeachment-worthy info on Biden and his whole presidential line of succession. If he did that on the morning of the inauguration I'd be the happiest man alive.
The CIA would kill him for even trying, though, which is sad.

>>12575761
Capsules are a dead end technology. We need Starship badly, man.

Why humans can't just unite and go to space together, or am I asking a lot.

>>12575778
Because I don't want to unite with the Chinese

>>12575778
The Chinese want the destruction of the west. You are likely part of the west. I am part of the west. I do not want to die, and I am not self flagellating

>>12575778
Most humans are dumb fucks who revel in being dumb fucks, consider this a virtue.

>>12575788
Destruction by what?

>>12575761
>look mom I'm steering the propulsion bus
>beep beep all aboard

>>12575385
you're wrong
ALPACA is the best small lander
Starship is the best big one
if you need a semi-trailer full of bullshit delivered to the moon with a sleeper-cab to work out of, take Starship
if you need a hatchback with some hammocks slung in it, take ALPACA

>>12575488
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_RMK30

Not rocket projectiles, but a recoilless revolver cannon.
I think the PDCs in the expanse are based of something like this.

>>12575444
National Team requires orbital refueling just as much as Starship does

>>12575778
Mainly those that want to maximize their personal power, be they politicians or rich enough to buy politicians lots of people want what is best for them at the cost of everyone else.
A smaller factor is huge cultural differences, the west isn't going to be ok with slavery anymore while asia, africa and the middle east still practice it.

>>12575788
>It's all the chinks fault

The new strategy folks, standard Jewish deflection tactic projecting their actions onto chinks.

>>12575803
They're belt fed automatics with rotary barrels like modern aircraft cannons or naval CIWS. The spinal railgun it gets in later seasons is pretty sick but I've never seen it fired in anger yet.

>>12575803
>en.m.wikipedia
>.m.
I would give you more shit but I actually learnt something so you're ok.

>>12575813
They are recoilless like that autocannon I linked.

>>12575812
Hey man if you love China that’s your opinion. I’m not even American. I’m Filipino. They’re conducting military exercises in our waters and have created their own maps of the Pacific Ocean with parts of the Philippines’ territory as their own. That’s messed up man.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rolls-royce-and-uk-space-agency-launch-first-ever-study-into-nuclear-powered-space-exploration

Anyone seen this? Rolls Royce develops the reactors for Royal Navy nuclear submarines FYI.

the god-machine lurks in the swamp
fear it's steel flaps

>>12574859
So what do you do if you have diarrhea on the ISS? Does your vomit stick to your face and you risk damaging your eyes with stomach acid when you throw up?

>>12575854
you poop in the hose, same as always
you close your eyes and get somebody to suck it off your face with a vacuum and then apply water

>>12575846
US announced they were doing it so I guess the UK figures it isn't political suicide these days.
Hope everyone can get their cores to LEO without issues so people don't want them banned.

>>12575687
I think you meant "sweetie"

Is the new administration going to cancel the moon base and Mars missions??????????????

>>12575457
>worried about the fines
>not about the not-NKVD using you to fulfill captured insurgent quotas

>>12575670
>says the retard who, ironically just like in the pic he posted, was screaming muh russian spies until few months ago

>>12575672
>lame duck EO’s with no budget
Just directly ignored

>>12575924
>russian spies
this isn't the 50's anymore

Musk should start a private military corporation and start weapons research at tesla.

>>12575788
Oh, yes. China wants us destroyed and not the deranged minds pushing for "good" revolution in all aspects of society with disastrous results visible even to the blind in the last decades.

Very obvious way in which they are destroying us is by accepting our wise and kind elites offloading the entire western light and large swaths of the heavy industry to them.

As far as ITT goes do remind me from where does the batshit insane planetary protection anti-colonial ideas stem from. Beijing... or the local university?

>>12575911
There were never going to happen lol

>>12575846
A couple of weeks ago anons were queueing up to shit on my suggestion that the UK has a lot of potential in spaceflight through industries with directly transferable expertise, and I specifically mentioned RR, so it's quite amusing to see said shitters with egg on their faces, or something. In any case the rest of the world should be very happy because the UK is about to invest millions in ground breaking technology that we make no attempt to exploit ourselves, but instead give away for free, and probably end up paying someone else to use.

>>12575946
>studies
>claims RTG’s are ground breaking
Lol

>>12575946
Remind me of Skylon that was about to btfo memex. What happened?

>>12575949
>>12575952
Chaps I think you missed the part where I got my self deprecation in first

>>12575943
Lmao @ you if you think China isn’t actively working against the US. Don’t be naive because you saw some agenda posting on /pol/

>>12575963
Oh, spaceflight, I see

>>12575963
Oh, they most certainly are dirty things but it does not matter. Attempting to declare them as the arch enemy and divert attention from the fact they are not responsible for any of the problems is just that, a diversion.

As for your pic, it's a good idea you have to admit. They'll most certainly use the incoming anti-private space flight wokeist planetary protection hysteria for their own benefit as well.

as expected, every video for the next month from john michael godier is gonna be about the new WOW (it's fucking nothing) signal. and then the next month after that it will be about the signal from ganymede. there must be something more interesting/substantive for him to talk about. so much fluff

>>12575986
I like watching Marcus House while cooking. He’s very informative and it’s fun going down memory lane and watching old videos about SN1 and whatnot

we urgently need a hop to kill a /pol/shit

>>12575986
nah he does great interviews on event horizon imho

>>12574958
trolling, but I agree about the tranny part

>>12575963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxgXB6AsVY

>>12574923
>Jeffry Bezzoso
Do you mean Jeff Bozo?

>>12575911
What is the background picture of this wojak edit?

>>12576069
Jeff Benoz

Why does Elon pretend to not know about the aliens, but Gwynne Shotwell wants to meet them?

>>12576080
Triumph of Death

>>12575399
far too much dry mass and too many refueling trips needed. the amount of launches for even a single mission would be crazy. starship might be the best vehicle for huge payloads or a lunar base but for everything else its just not practical. like you don't use a semitruck to drive to the next mc donalds even though the semitruck is probably cheaper per kg payload than your car

>>12576099
But if it was cheaper to buy a semi truck and drive it to McDonald's than it was to buy a regular car and drive it there then you'd still go with the semi truck.

SLS HOT FIRE TEST IN 3 DAYS
https://youtu.be/PapBjpzRhnA
GET HYPE

>>12576099
A dry LunarStarship needs 550 tons of fuel to go from a NRHO to the Lunar Surface and back again. This is assuming it only weighs 100 tons due to it lacking a heat shield and wings. This assumes a 5 metric ton payload there and back, which is small, but is enough for 6 crew for a week on the surface (probably).

The LunarShip sits in its NRHO. In LEO, a Tanker is filled up from 6 refueling launches to carry 550 tons of methalox in its payload bay. It would need 10 more launches (100 tons of fuel each) to fill up its main tank in order to give it the 3.65 km/s of delta V needed to leave LEO and enter the NRHO with the LunarShip. This campaign thus needs 17 launches to complete (18 counting the launch of LunarShip to the NRHO). I7 launches of Starship is a lot.

>>12576111
>hot fire test
Just fucking fly already! Oh right I forgot this is built by the spacejew

>>12576107
even then it would be far better to just send a smaller lunar lander into space with starship.

Sneed Launch System (Formerly Shuttle's)

>>12576132
cool it with the antisemetic remarks

>>12575552
>and it seemed like the SLS schedule had stabilized around a 2020 launch
>>12575419
>Japan's Aircraft Accident Investigation Commission officially concluded that the rapid decompression was caused by a faulty repair by Boeing technicians after a tailstrike incident during a landing at Osaka Airport in 1978. The rear bulkhead of the plane had been repaired with an improperly installed doubler plate, compromising the plane's airworthiness.
>>12575510
Every SSME has a documented history of which flights it was on. And now they will start ending with "Atlantic Ocean". Fuck SLS.

>>12575326
Does it though? All those entities were out there plodding along at their "competitive" paces when SpaceX showed up and flipped the table with Falcon 9. Now they're getting ready to nuke the house from orbit using Starship, and the oldspace retards are still trying to pick up their cards, to use the analogy to the point of absurdity.

>>12576137
If only there was a small lander with fuel commonality with starship

>>12576153
>the first time number of days till SLS launch is less than 365
holy shit bros, it's happening

>>12576161
Dynetics is a shell company like SNC

>>12576115
I'm guessing Starship could easily carry a whole lunar mission as a payload, right?

>>12575426
>However the ability to store thousands of tons of fuel is unknown to us.
Having a larger volume to store is actually something that makes the problem easier. Like trying to keep a thousand liters of water from boiling out of a pot suspended over a stove vs trying to keep a drop of water from boiling in the same situation. Larger volume and mass of cryogenic fluid in a larger, greater-volume-to-surface-area-ratio tank means that the insulation and cooling issues all get more trivial. Beyond a certain scale even hydrogen's passive boiloff in an uninsulated tank would be measured in fractions of a percent per week (this scale would be enormous because hydrogen a shit, but for methane/oxygen it is vastly smaller).

>>12575446
>Also Dynetics’ lander lacks an airlock. This is bad
>An airlock weights a lot more than a couple of tanks to re-pressurize the lander, we have known this since Apollo.
Dynetics has an airlock. The other anon doesn't even know what he's talking about.

>>12575456
>>12575496
>>12575502
>>12575518
RS-25 would be a lot better if it were a lot better.

instead of 6 refueling flights, wouldnt it make more sense to do a hydrogen upper stage for starship?

>>12576192
no

>>12576188
you might be onto something here

>>12575542
Anon please tell me you understand it's about thrust per dollar and not actual raw thrust, right?
Hydrolox engines are just as expensive as other engines, if not more so, but they have relatively low thrust because of their reduced propellant mass flow rate (because hydrogen). To make up for this many (too many imo) designers choose to stretch the tanks as much as possible to get as large of a wet mass as possible, then add "cheap" additional thrust to the first stage (usually solids, and also note that no booster is cheap unless it's rapidly reusable a la Falcon Heavy side boosters).
If you wanted to build a purely hydrolox rocket with no non-hydrolox propulsion you could do that, no showstoppers. The only issue is that since hydrolox has an abysmal bulk density, and since rocket payload is delivered as a fraction of the total mass of the launch vehicle on the pad, you'd need a much larger hydrolox rocket to achieve the same payload to LEO compared to denser propellants. In fact you need about 4x the total tank volume in order to get the same performance, which will still be with a slightly lighter rocket, the Isp of hydrolox making up the difference.

As a perfect example of what I'm talking about just look at the Saturn V. It used two hydrolox upper stages, one of them very large, atop a kerolox stage. That kerolox first stage is roughly half of the volume of the entire rocket, but when fueled it accounted for fully 80% of the total mass. To put that into perspective, if the first stage of the Saturn V were a hydrolox stage as well, it would need to be about 4x the volume of the actual real life Saturn V first stage, meaning it would likely end up both wider and taller with a more closely packed engine arrangement (as well as way more than 5 engines). The thing about rockets is that you pay for the dry mass, because that's what you actually build.

>>12575564
I support the Chinese regime because it will hold them back and also buy us a few decades when they finally have their next revolution.

>>12574938
Is this supposed to be that Everyday Astronaut guy?

So is SN9 going to fly today or wud

>>12576232
also known as estronaut? yes that's definitely him

>>12576235
>4x static fire scrub so far
lol no

>>12575707
What coolness factor? Was that piece of shit really your best attempt or are you having a sarcastic laff?

>>12575846
The words "game changing" are forever ruined to me by oldspace's abuse.

>>12576238
>estronaut

>>12576099
>like you don't use a semitruck to drive to the next mc donalds even though the semitruck is probably cheaper per kg payload than your car
If I had to buy a new car every time I wanted a burger you can bet you ass it'd be cheaper to drive my reusable semitruck instead. We're not talking about a small difference in per-kg cost here, we're talking about the actual all-up cost of the two options being separated by two orders of magnitude. It's the difference between spending ten dollars in gas for the truck vs $1000 on a shit box that gets impounded and crushed after you get home.

>>12575946
I was one of those anons and I'm back to shit on you again. Here's what's going to happen, a grant is going to go to a decent but not great uni to work with RR to investigate the feasibility, we'll get a dozen or so scientific papers out of it, nothing we didn't already know though, the UK will consider it job well done. Then if at any point in the next 100 years anyone, even someone unrelated to the UK, does pull off nuclear propulsion, britbongs will somehow use this to weasel their way into taking partial credit. Your country has some top talent but is somehow still painfully irrelevant so I can understand why you're seething

>>12576240
The long march family is kino, due to the fins, hypergolics and chicken wire interstages

>>12576192
Zero. First of all hydrolox isn't much better than methalox even for zero G vacuum propulsion. Second it has shit density which would mean each Starship would need to be massively stretched to contain the same ~1,300,000 kg of propellant, which would also make Starship mass a shitload more. The use of hydrolox would also reduce the total stage thrust force, making it even worse. Finally, Starship only needs to refuel at all if it's doing something like sending more than 30 tons onto a geostationary transfer orbit. If you're launching to LEO you don't need to refuel. If you're wanting to go to the Moon but don't want to rely on refueling in LEO, you can just add 100 tons of propellant to your payload vehicle and have it send itself to the Moon. While you're at it add another 20 tons of science equipment or whatever too.

>>12576255
I honestly disagree, I think it's almost pajeet-tier design, not aesthetic at all and a lot of really ISHYGDDT design choices.

>>12576252
>Your country has some top talent but is somehow still painfully irrelevant
The near total mediocrity of our ruling class is to blame plus latent subversive elements. I tend toward believing the meme that by 1945 all the best men had either scarpered or been wiped out, and we're left with the dregs
>so I can understand why you're seething
I'm not seething, just laughing at you anons that simultaneously
> lol oldspace are so dumb space is not hard
> lol UK are so dumb space is hard
Which is it?

>>12576291
UK is so dumb that they find space hard. It's not. That's just how dumb they are.

>>12576408
UK had a great space program once upon a time, sad it died to politicians without forsight.

>>12576419
politicians without foreskin

>>12576449
Nah, the claps were the only western nation to fall for the jewish cock mutilation meme.

>>12576462
yes but its not forbidden, so think about what kind of politicians would willingly mutilate their dicks, think reaaal hard

>>12575911
need mo money fo dem job programz
t. oldspace

>>12575778
Competition is what got us this far in the first place.
If we united into one space program it would only mean permanent stagnation. Just imagine global and everlasting oldspace.

Hehehehehe
https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1349361110135222272?s=21

>>12576585
Kek, even Bezos knowns he's not getting orbit any time soon.

>>12576585
>muh Earth science
>BIG SNIFF
>Bezos cucking himself
This story really has it all.

>>12576592
This is what I don't get... Dude should just cut bait with BO and Kuiper and just invest in Starlink directly. This seems like a childish spat with Elon...

>>12576600
If you look at his actions instead of listening to his words it becomes pretty clear he got into space for the oldspace cash rather than wanting to make a difference.
He has secured a shitload of contracts despite never doing anything because he has teamed up with oldspace.

>>12576585
>EDF
>>12576600
He should cut his losses and go directly into orbital habitat construction. He won't, of course, but that would be a far better option for everyone.

>>12576643
I was talking from the AWS angle... azure is shit, but people will be willing to eat the shit if it means they can take advantage of Starlink for their projects, when there is no such alternative in AWS.

>>12576161
thats why the dynetics lander is the best

>>12576099
If your semi truck costs 1/100 of the car, is it really that bad of an idea? Frankly, I'd use 747 if it was cheaper and I wouldn't care it's oversized for the job. Neither should you.

>>12575778
Large international projects are a disaster as "global cooperation" is revealed to be nonsense as every party ignores the end goal and seeks out only immediate benefits from symbolic participation that grinds the project to a halt.

bros what if congress didnt realize they were buying a PICTURE of a fully functioning shuttle derived launch system because they didnt read the ebay description before bidding

Less than 50 days now until the release of Liftoff! I'm going to be sharing thoughts from a few people I greatly respect who have read an early copy. First up is
@realhomerhickam
, who inspired more than a few SpaceXers.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1349376921017184258

>>12576249
i never claimed another lunar lander had to be launched on an expandable rocket. you are making up a strawman

>>12576714
I love when people argue by unceremoniusly and abruptly going to a very thinly if at all related comparison which is extreme and hilariously seeking a shock effect.

>Ahh so you think its normal to put sugar in your coffe? THATS LIKE SAYING RAPING CHILDREN IS ACCEPTABLE AND THEN KILLING ONE ON NATIONAL TV JUST TO PROVE IT

So all NASA does now is visit space pebbles?
Is there really so much scientific value in the investigation of asteroids?

>>12576740
No but theres plenty of economic value in doing so

>>12576727
starship is going to be an awesome rocket but it comes with a huge pain in the ass: its fanboys

>>12576698
>not even getting the EMPTY BOX ONLY
>>12576744
the hatebois are nothing to be proud of either

>>12576408
Funny that it took a saffer to sort the US out then

>>12576744
>I'm so cool I cry about fanboys
This only makes sense in console wars where there are two competitors servicing different markets. Starship will be better then 95% of the launch market right now. Falcon 9 is better then 75% already.
Kind of hard to call them "fanboys" when they're objectively correct.

https://www.blueorigin.com/news/new-shepard-ns-14-astronaut-experience-upgrades

>>12576585
So it's confirmed that New Glenn won't have its first launch before October 2022?

>>12576770
>Mannequin Skywalker.

lel

>>12576743
Are they advancing anything on that path tho?
All they seem interested in is "understanding the early solar system" and things like that. At least that's what they tell the press.

>>12576770
>20 year old company
>Has never launched anything to orbit
>STILL flying a glorified club rocket
>Somehow gets multi million dollar contracts
It makes no sense to me

>>12576782
As it so happens "understanding the early solar system" is indistinguishable from prospecting for valuable minerals.

oc for your ssme-posting needs

Static fire imminent?

>>12576795
Jeff Who took the oldspace pill and got really good at selling concept art

>>12576744
thats bullshit, good things demand celebration

imagine this

youre buried alive in a landslide in a remote desert location which isnt on any map along with 20 other people, you went there in secret and arranged for no one to look for you for months if possible, days go by, food runs out oxygen depletes, youre all just too tired crying on the ground succumbing to different types of horrible disease, not even able to clean up your soiled failing bodies.

THEN SUDDENLY THE WALL STARTS TO TREMBLE AND A HOLE APPEARS, in comes Mr.Saviour, an excentric billionaire hell bent on benefiting you, he was tracking your trip and took a little bit to find you and in the end he did, he nurses everyone back to health enough for travel wiht a crack team of world class doctors and luxury hospital, and then transports you to a world class hospital on a first class ambulance airplane he pays for your treatment (all this time you have access to whatever luxury you want even hookers if requested)then after youre ok he sends you off to his private resort spa for 1 year where you can invite anyone you want and live in absolute luxury, in addition to the hookers that com in with the luxury he gives each 30 brainwashed 18 year old girls that will not only follow your every command but genuinely love you forever in whatever way you desire, if youre married he will keep it a secret from her or go ahead and convince her to accept it for you, once youre ready to leave hell give you 10 million dollars to start out whatever life you want anywhere, and you can always go back to the private spa whenever you want...

but as youre leaving this place one of your 20 friends goes. oh well ok ok, this guy did some good things but why do you guys have to be such fanboys

THIS IS 1/10000 of the cringe wrongness you express when you complain about elon musk fanbois

>>12576819
Nice novel, when does the second book come out?

>>12576819
Please tell me this post is pasta.

>>12576808
I don't think the Swedes would be that autistic to make an SSME. That's more of a Swiss thing

>>12576762
real world experience with enwards does that to a hwite man

https://youtu.be/nyFNIyB-ezc

NSF is live for today’s abort

>>12576819

>>12576858
>Hi Jeff, will this be an orbital mission? Thanks.

>>12576771
Looks like it lol. Even Bezos isn’t flying on New Glenn before 2023 lel

>>12576747
>the hatebois are nothing to be proud of either
correct
>>12576767
>This only makes sense in console wars where there are two competitors servicing different markets. Starship will be better then 95% of the launch market right now. Falcon 9 is better then 75% already.
>Kind of hard to call them "fanboys" when they're objectively correct.
as written somewhere above, the starship is an inferior moon lander apart from very specific circumstances. nobody is denying the fact that it will probably be the cheapest heavy lift rocket though
>>12576819
take your meds schizo

>>12576858
Not even the most exciting rocket launch in Texas

>>12575373
imagine being in a crew starship and hear "we gaan" over the intercom

>>12576819
If this wasn't pasta before, it should be now.

>>12576863
Ayy oop 'oos joined t' chat

>>12576876
Is Blue even trying? Serious question

>>12576896
No.

>>12575982
>divert attention from the fact they are not responsible for any of the problems
Hey what's with these weird lockdown rules everywhere, what's that about? Shit btw, we keep reducing emissions and trying to go green but the air keeps getting crappier, why is this? Weird.
Hey where'd all the fish in the ocean go? Did somebody hide them?
You total fool.

>new Glenn and SLS vs starship
https://youtu.be/R9qgSSdEd5o

>>12576913
Christ DBZ is so cringe

>>12576917
>anime
>not cringe
pick one

>>12576826
>>12576864
The average zoomer attention span on display for all
>>12576935
Oh look, this tired bait again.
>buh buh buh I'm not baiting
yeah yeah, (you), angry reply, another (you), angrier reply, post yelling only about anime until mods come along to clean up the tantrum.

There, now we don't have to do it again for real and clutter up the thread.

>>12576970
needs to be strapped down by octograbber.

What was your favorite design? For me, it’s the ITS.

>>12576917
Meh, not as cringe as shit like >12575129
Also should I watch Planetes? I might consider giving it a shot.

>>12576993
ITS was amazing, but BFR2017 was the coolest for me

>>12576993
My favorites are either the ITS or the current Starship design. I was never a big fan of the whole tin-tin look or whatever.

>>12576943
anime is as bad as SLS

>>12576995
No, you'd enjoy it too much and I don't like the idea of you having a good time.

>>12577002
Okay, let us begin again then:
(you)

>>12576993
•Sep 2016 ITS had the coolest landing legs and engine configuration
•Both designs from 2018 also had really cool landing legs
•2017 BFR had the best window layout

>>12576840
Imagine a rocket engine made of particle board.

>>12576993
ITS > current Starship >>>> everything else. Really not a fan of the BFR 2017 look and the 2018 SS front canard looks silly. Current SS has an F-22 look to the flaps which is a huge improvement stylistically.

>>12577018
Current Starship wins points because it’s the only one that has actually flown

>>12576993
Current one and then the 2016 ITS

How the fuck was ITS even supposed to control itself during freefall? It seems to have a flap below the engines but that's about it

>>12577007
>No, you'd enjoy it too much and I don't like the idea of you having a good time
So I'll take it as a yes.
>>12577030
This.

ABOOOOOOORT

>>12577033
Big ass thrusters. It and 2017 BFR simply glided a bit with their body before flipping.

>>12577038

>>12577007
You know anime is trash, but you just cannot admit it and keep thinking that I want (((((((you's)))))))

>>12577042
This post is off-topic

Literally how could you hate these landing legs? They are fucking based

>>12577063
also look quite simple and not that heavy.

>>12577042
dangerously based

>>12577063
Honestly it was the coolest design. Windows were a bit weird. But the shape and color and essence of this beast is so cool

>>12576993
I like the idea of 2019 Starship with smaller versions of the ITS legs, more like what Moonship seems to have. They can still use sixfold symmetry without interfering with the wings.
I STILL don't believe that there will be an overwhelming need for giant windows.

>>12577072
That’s a kino design. I’m still a big fan of just launching a regular Starship to the moon, but MoonShip is certainly neat. Also I agree that the gigantic window probably won’t happen, but I do expect there to be a decent amount of smaller ones.

>>12577072
The legs deploying from the side is a lot cooler than deploying from under the skirt. I don't want to shill for Blue Origin, but the landing legs for new glenn are pretty based

Something is happening

>>12577081
new glenn is going to absolutely btfo saturn vee

>>12577081
New Glenn redesigned the legs. They’re now just Falcon 9 legs but smaller.

>>12577090
gay

>>12577090
Any pictures?

>>12577090
Source?