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nonlinear differential equations?

hallucinations due to brain malfunction

>>12574233
materialist and blue pilled

>>12574233
lol, ok what happens after death?

>>12574211
could you please translate this into non-virgin

>>12574244
you brain, you no work, you decompose

>>12574263
So where was I before I was alive

>>12574275
sperm in daddy

>>12574282
No, before he was alive, where was I?

>>12574208
All die hard atheists become religious after meeting God.
Unfortunately, out of fear, out of cowardliness, scientists persist in the materialistic lie so they can keep their reputation, livelihood and comfort.
They invent excuses like "It's all nothing but chemicals!"
Yeah with proof like that, I'm supposed to believe science is above faith?

>>12574288
he was in his dads balls

>>12574295
I didnt ask about him, I asked about me

>>12574299
the same was true for you anon

>>12574308
Elaborate

>>12574308
are you saying I didnt exist?

>>12574313
mommy has hole between legs, daddy has stick
daddy insert stick inside mommys hole injecting her with liquid, liquid is made of very small worms which swim inside mommys egg
egg + worm == (you)

>>12574329
Not what I was asking retard, if you go way back, before most of my recent family existed, where was I?

>>12574329
Also, when my body is no more, where am I? Do I cease to exist?

>>12574336
you didn't exist, beyond being a possible outcome of a long chain of unfortunate events in the balls of your great great great great great great grandpa

>>12574340
you are the body

>>12574359
Nothing doesnt exist, being the body is impossible

>>12574208
Has there been any study? Inducing it for science would be retarded but what about leaving an out of place image/object in ER rooms and asking those who report having NDEs what they saw (and changing the image/object every few hours or something).
I guess that's still retarded (for one it would take decades) but I don't know any other way that you could reliably test it. Imagining people operating on you is not very convincing.

>>12574359
the concept of nothingness is less likely than non-abrahamic god

>>12574208
That they differ from culture to culture (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18344255/)) and can be artifically induced. It is also a experience made partly posteriori as memory and mind try to make sense what happened. A DMT trip.

>>12574378
I mean, a clinic should have records of something like that

>>12574244
You cease to be.
>>12574275
You didn`t exist.

materialist BTFO

>>12574393
nothingness doesnt exist.

>>12574340
>Do I cease to exist?
Yes.

also, where does non-existence take place?

>>12574387
Probably not in very controlled conditions.

>>12574403
Depends by your definition. We can not imagine true oblivion but we can see the decay of a brain and the dissolution of mind and body, the end of a person.

>>12574408
Nowhere. Non-existence is not a state of being but oblivion. You cease to be.

Nothingness is a lie.
Notice how all those atheists are trying to bring despair to you, to control you by saying there is no God, there is nothing beyond death.
You will never meet again those whom you have lost, only money matters since the material is most important, etc...
A rigorous analysis makes you see that their "reason" is their own sad reality.
NDE is decisive proof of an afterlife and God, no matter how those masochistic atheists try to argue otherwise.

>>12574415
absolute retard take
>i only believe in what can be proven by observation of the material world
>now believe in this immaterial, unexplainable state of nothingness with no proof for it
literal false god

>>12574375
>Nothing doesnt exist
>nothing is nothing
ok
>being the body is impossible
why?

>>12574427
LISTEN RETARD
>existence is the absence of nothingness
>you believe in existence only

>>12574393
False, you obviously go somewhere hence all those out of body experiences that so many people have.

>>12574408
>>12574425
you are getting so confused with words anon
when a computer works does it exist? when it breaks does it stop existing? where does it's ability to assimilate external inputs and to process them go?

>>12574435
you are saying that something doesn't exist while saying that something not existing is impossible mongoloid

>>12574448
holy shit youre retarded.
existence is the absence of nothingness, by definition, absence is not nothing, it is the lack of something, do i need to spoonfeed it to you? here comes the airplane

>>12574420
see>>12574386

Nobody is trying to control you. You are try to justify your beliefs with paranoid delusions. I don`t care what you believe in. Ad hominems have no place in discourse and bias even less. Where is that rigorous analysisyou speak of? NDE is dependent on cultural aspects and can be induced and explained with DMT. Speak the topic and do not construct your own fantasy villains to hate and feel persecuted.

>>12574443
you can explain every detail regarding a computer, but not all intricacies of humans

>>12574458
once the mind is infected with linear thinking it is very difficult to cure them

>>12574425
>>i only believe in what can be proven by observation of the material world
I have my own opinion. Thank you very much. From observation we see that humans die and that they stop to affect the world. We know that our thinking is dependent on chemicals processes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Libet#Implications_of_Libet%27s_experiments)) thus the cessation of brainnn activity is the end of us.

>>12574469
>but not all intricacies of humans
name one thing that we can't explain, we are literally just animals shitting and fucking around

>>12574462
When you don't know what to reply to your opponent, you call him crazy and paranoiac.

Explain DMT trip

>>12574469
>but not all intricacies of humans
Not yet, but if there is no soul then one day we could. And from modern neurological standpoint (https://numenta.com/neuroscience-research/research-publications/papers/a-framework-for-intelligence-and-cortical-function-based-on-grid-cells-in-the-neocortex/, https://numenta.com/blog/2019/01/16/the-thousand-brains-theory-of-intelligence/)) our brain is the seat of our mind thus a repliciable physical process and no outside force affects it.
Changes of the brain are changes of your mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage

>>12574474
not an argument
>>12574478
youre already incapable of arguing, materialist BTFO

>>12574386
Worthless, scientists do not tell anything meaningful other than we do not really know what happens.

Instead, listen to those who actually had such experiences. They are far more worthy of being heared.

>>12574501
>repliciable physical process and no outside force affects it.
The fact that science hasnt been able to replicate consciousness is proof of the uniqueness of consciousness.

>>12574504
you are saying materialist BTFO so I am guessing you are a retard and misread my post. Many such cases here. SAD!

>>12574386
>>12574462
>>12574499
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgv1ptz1wOc

>>12574507
>They are far more worthy of being heared.
That`s what the study did but not jsut from one culture or background.

>>12574515
what do you think is so special about consciousness? what do you think it is?
the ability to perceive information from the outside world and process it in order to fullfil biological needs? is there something more to it besides meme words?
i could probably have a better convo with an chatbot than you, he may be more self aware too

>>12574515
No? Many animals are in possession of sorts of consiousness. Chimpanzee, dolpins, octupus or elephants posses different levels of it. It is not unique but of gradual difference.

>>12574507
>Instead, listen to those who actually had such experiences
You might as well listen to a schizo drug addict if you like cool stories with no evidence

>>12574520

>>12574529
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUT THEY NO TALKY TALKY LIKE WE DO, SO THEY NO VERBALLY THINK LIKE WE DO, DIS MEANS THEY HAVE NO PERCEPTION OR UNDERSTANDING OF THE OUTSIDE WORLD BESIDES SIMPLE INSTINCTIVE REACTIONS

>>12574420
>trying to bring despair to you, to control you by saying there is no God
Meanwhile you can enter heaven, but only if you are a good boy and turn the other cheek when others wrong you.

>>12574527
>cosciousness is the ability to perceive information from the outside world and process it in order to fullfil biological needs
>you fucking brainlet

>>12574529
And science created animals?

>>12574544
nobody mentioned an abrahamic god, dumbass

>>12574545
so define what you think it is
and please no meme answers

>>12574555
What's the point of god anyway?

>>12574550
Science is a method not a force. Chinese and Japanese groups have bred a few genetically engineered chimpanzees though.

>>12574564
He loves you.

>>12574233
>hallucinations due to brain malfunction
this

>>12574562
the body is the link between god and the material world, consciousness is god, a small percentage of god, and since we know that there are more complex states of being (not just dimension, but perception in general; DMT would be one) our perception becomes more complex the more we evolve, god is a type of fuel or energy, which also inhabits a state of being, a state of being in the moment as the link we inhabit, but also purer states in other realms, where I'm guessing god is some type of hivemind.

>>12574239
go back to >>>/x/
>>12574244
dead is dead
you become fertilizer

>>12574576
so he's kinda gay i get it, but what's his function?

>>12574567
I asked for replicated consciousness

>>12574579
And the same specific brain malfunction occurs every time? Every time, the same hallucination occurs by chance alone? Could just have said that youre retarded.

>>12574579
False, people who had an out of body experience were fully capable of describing things they could not have seen given their current state.
Materialists and atheists must have the courage to break free from those lies.

>>12574584
He loves you like a father to his son.
Your lack of love and ignorance is shown by you insulting Him.

>>12574582
i guess if you view god as some sort of big brain hivemind then we could actually have one in the future, but for now there is no evidence of non-material world, gods, complex states fo being (besides druggies being druggies), and other meme speak

>>12574588
Chimpanzees have conscious states comparable to 6 year olds.
>>12574584
Power fantasy.

>>12574598
god is an energy

>>12574604
Can it boil water?

>>12574600
I mean consciousness created from the ground up

>>12574494
You still owe me that rigorous analysis.

>>12574607
lol, smug faggot, classic atheist

>>12574591
>And the same specific brain malfunction occurs every time?
There are two possibilities, 1. niggas are influenced by the culture they inhabit to have fantasies/hallucinations about culturally relevant memes for the situation they are dealing with 2. they are just lying
Notice that you don't see westerners talking about meating the buddah and easterners meating jezus. Why?

>>12574615
lol, where does culture revolve around floating above your dead body and ego death?

>>12574609
For that we still have to wait a few decades, but we already have achieved, there is ongoing work in the field of brain simulation, including partial and whole simulations of some animals. For example, the C. elegans roundworm, Drosophila fruit fly, and mouse have all been simulated to various degrees. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/5596513/

>>12574615
again, where did I talk about religion? why are atheists such one-line-thikers?

>>12574593
>were fully capable of describing things they could not have seen given their current state
you know, you can sometimes hear things while you are sleeping and then remember them despite the fact that you were not fully conscious, or they could be just guessing possible consequences of the situation they are in and making an easy prediction on the reactions of those around them or more simply the people involved are just lying

>>12574620
>we'll have to wait
>believe in the future
>BELIEVE
lol

>>12574591
>And the same specific brain malfunction occurs every time?
No, its actually pretty complicated as most NDE are constructed after it as the mind creates memories to deal with the situation but the hallucinations are not equal. Not all NDE are out-of-body experiences, see >>12574386

>>12574629
Good that you ignore the rest. Personally I say, let`s see. The main argument, that consciousness is unique was disproven already.

>>12574208
The vast majority of NDEs are pretty trivial and don't really prove much.
The most interesting cases (there are a few) are where the person can recall information while their brain activity had ceased with a high (supernatural) degree of accuracy.
I think at the end of the day death is an event horizon, you will never know what is there until you go there and you will not be able to bring anything back.

>>12574619
there is a long history of the soul meme in western culture

>>12574633
>Brain simulation
Just because its functional in the same manner, doesnt mean its conscious.

>>12574640
pretty vague response to such a specific description.

>>12574644
It`s a fly, its not supposed to be conscious but we did originate from such primitive minds and already it is smarter than the majority of life. Natural processes took 3 billions years to develop to this stage, humanity did it in 30 years.

>>12574208
>What does modern science know about NDEs
What does modern science know about your wife fucking around? Not science related

>>12574233
wishful cope

>>12574627
Yeah, a NDE person was able to perfectly describe what happened in a building kilometers away.
Humble yourself, instead of calling others liars.

>>12574649
>wow me float outside my corporeal form
>almost like a soul?
>well that's quite vague

>>12574651
so its not conscious.
>we did it in 30 years
plus those 3 billion anyways

>>12574654
>perfectly describe what happened in a building kilometers away
and we have video evidence of what was happpening in that building and of everything the person who had the nde ever did since that experience to exclude the possiblity that he might have been told that info from someone else
surely this is true for you to make such arrogant claims

>>12574652
neuroscience

Midwits: the thread

>>12574660
it is

>>12574507
Let me guess, it's gnosticism or some obscure Indian philosophy that describes reality perfectly?

>>12574709
yes.

>>12574654
>a NDE person was able to perfectly describe what happened in a building kilometers away.
Did he?

>>12574724
He totally did! I don't have any evidence, but just believe me bro it totally happened.

>>12574724
yes.

>>12574719
Cringe. It's kinda sad society is so fucked and atomized that young people need to turn to shit like that to find any kind of comfort or meaning to their lives.

>>12574208
NDEs are psychologically very beneficial for the majority of those who experience them. NDEs and classic psychedelics share many of the same therapeutic effects so it might be possible to induce NDEs in a safe environment with the use of psychedelics. The major component of the experience is to truly believe you are about to die, which can completely transform your outlook on life. Most people don't think about their mortality often and when they do, they are trying to escape it with entertainment. If you really acknowledge your mortality and accept it, when you don't look away, even sitting in traffic during a rush hour becomes a precious gift.

>>12574729

>>12574781
Not evidence.

>>12574806
U GOTTA SOURCE FOR THAAAAAT??

>>12574436
>False, you obviously go somewhere hence all those out of body experiences that so many people have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYD7Y9CXeUw

During brain surgery when the neurosurgeon is zapping various parts of the brain to create a brain map of that individual patient, people sometimes have accidental out of body experiences. With some advanced form of neurolink out of body experiences will be about as accessible as watching Terminator 2 on your tv.

>>12574724
Apparently it was just a lie.

>>12574478
If gravity is the observed effect of mass passing through the Higgs field curving the space around itself, what if consciousness is brain structure passing through the consciousness field? The brain would act as a reducing valve of the consciousness stream, matter that evolved to propagate by using this consciousness field in the same way it is using the Higgs field.

>>12574867
>consciousness field?
You first need to proof that something like this exists.

>>12574598
Gods do exist and it doesn't matter whether they are internal or external, they are still gods.

>>12574886
Proof, or lack of it, doesn't change the objective reality. After I experienced altered states of consciousness, it made me rethink everything I've known up to that point, and I could finally make peace with death. Maybe it does exist, maybe it doesn't. Maybe AI systems in computers are disproving my hypothesis, or maybe not. We will see.

>>12574856
False,
https://www.near-death.com/science/evidence/some-people-receive-verified-visions-of-the-future.html

>>12574233
>everyone has malfunction-induced hallucinations with the exact same themes and eerily similar visions of the "afterlife"
yea ok

>>12574806
Yeah, follow the herd pal.
That obviously makes you a genius.

>>12575773
Neurotypical brains produce neurotypical experiences.

The reason why atheists ask for source and proof all the time is because they are empty inside and need someone, an author, a man with a diploma to think for them.
As if scientists is above faking proofs or telling false interpretations.

>>12575773
Loads of people have dreams about going to work naked or teeth falling out of their mouth.
People have the same sleep paralysis dream with a monster.
DMT experiences often have fractals and little machine elves.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if NDEs were similar for similar reasons (ie common brain structure/chemistry and similar cultural experience)

>>12575773
all normies think, talk and act the same way more or less with some small deviations or at best with a small number of sub-groups
so yes they also have the same hallucinations

>>12575767
They have backed their claims without any sources and they didn`t even explain different experiences from different cultures.

>>12575915
Perhaps the conundrum of faith is how it's used by smart people to enrich themselves and enslave brainlets who interpret their religious texts of choice literally. Not only that, the faith is used to retard scientific progress because it's deemed immoral (e.g. embryonic research), or worsen living conditions because xyz behavior would be against the God (e.g. condoms in Africa). Asking for evidence is not wrong when it's about human lives.

>>12575915

>>12576520
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>>12576617
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>>12576520
>>12576617
Only "certified", official evidence is worth something to you.