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>>12554259I wanna live on the moon bros
>>12554259Here’s hoping that tomorrow’s flight will be a success.
In what orbit will there be refueling depots? GEO? Also assuming that Super Heavy is enough to put Starship in some orbit and then it will land on earth, then depots must be in in a higher orbit to make sense for refuellng?
>>12554268What flight? Falcon 9 or SN9?
>>12554275>the cost effective mars plan - by rube goldberg
>>12554272Super Heavy won't put anything into orbitit will get Starship above atmosphereto get to the orbit you need to circularize, which is what the second stage is for
>>12554272Why do you need depots? Each tanker can be parked in the desired orbit for the mission, fueled, and finally the actual starship to do the journey can get there to be topped off. Depots only complicate the entire thing because you have to place and maintain them everywhere. Single one is definitely not going to cut it unless it's optimal for one destination only and on top of that you need systems to for long term storage of fuels making it even harder.
>>12554274Both, but mostly SN9.
>>12554275this one is better
>>12554293>it will get Starship above atmosphereAt what altitude approximately? 70km?Also what do you mean by "circularize"?>>12554301Well, if the mission is to get to mars, then this desired orbit for refuelling will be the same for many starships?
>>12554264Weaklet detected. I'll be enjoying that Mars gravity.
>>12554220I like this, do the drop tanks come off or nah?
>>12554274Yes
>>12554336F9 separates around 80km, so ballpark around that altitude>Also what do you mean by "circularize"?you need get enough tangential velocity (aka orbital velocity) to match Earth's gravity and radiusif you were to fly straight up to 70km, you would fall straight back againand because Earth is rotating under you you would actually fall many kilometers westwardsthat's why F9 and SH boosters need to do a bit of curve to land back where they started
>>12554274>SN9anyone know what time it's supposed to happen?
What
>>12554463Starlink?
>>12554462Unless something goes wrong, it should launch tomorrow.
>>12554463https://files.catbox.moe/y82d64.ogg
>>12554472there was not explicit confirmation that static fire was successful though
>>12554301There's no advantage to depots in the context of a single mission (to Mars, or anywhere else). But for long term, it makes sense to use depots because you can bunker propellant over multiple launches over a longer period, and then launch a bunch of flights during a given transfer window. Trying to do it without a depot would mean using way more Starships (that have to wait in orbit until they've given away their propellant), and most of them would be half empty. Then the actual mission vehicle might have to make multiple refuels before it goes, and any delays could mean (worst case) missing your window.What we'll probably see is a slow evolution: first mission to Mars will be depotless, each tanker flying up and refueling independently. Once cadence picks up, you'll have a few dedicated "depot tankers" that stay in our permanently to take on propellant from other tankers and then refill the mission craft in one go. Finally, it'll start making sense to build a dedicated depot, which can have larger capacity and no need for launch/reentry hardware.
>>12554463
>>12554463main screen turn on
>>12554463>>12554527Why Signal? Why not Tox?Please help me, I'm retarded.
well well well. Jeff who?
>>12554560For an autistic weirdo bent on conquering new worlds for mankind, Elon's pretty humble.
>>12554560Is that really all from tesla stocks?
>>12554560Looks like he knows the libs are about to seethe and has pinned this.Also, "we have the money to go slow" is no longer an excuse. It's time for BO to deliver.
>>12554560he's literally one of the best people who could be in that position to hack the liberal system to promote his tech ideas and strip some power from traditional oligarchies>>12554574commies are already searching ways to say that he is a dirty pig that exploits people because his father owned one stock (like 500$) in an emerald mine in South Africa for a while.
>>12554560>the hardest year in a while for humanity as a whole>a billionaire just becomes richer This is normal. This is fine.
>>12554590thoughts on the lockdowns?
>>12554560>>12554569>>12554571>>12554574Forbes has Bezos ahead although it's pretty closehttps://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires
>>12554574anyone took a screenshot of the deleted tweet he was replying to?
>>12554560Aww the sweet meltdown from the leftists. This and the Capitol give me hope.
>>12554571Yeah, it really is quite ridiculous how high it is. But I'm up 83% so idgaf. This is really fucking good for starship
>>12554590>gas car sales drop off a cliff, electric car sales remain on an upward trendLiterally what liberals asked for>the only relevant electric car stock risesNO NO THIS IS PROFITEERING STOP OH GOD
>>12554603starship hasn't had to worry about funding for a while which is great. Literally a blank check program at this point.
Hypothetically.How would I go around building a reusable linear aerospike that burns RP1 instead of Hydrox?
>>12554590You just can't help yourself
>>12554590If things were so bad that people with a long history of consistent success were suddenly getting poorer, that'd be incredibly worrisome. Not sure why you'd think that's a bad thing.
>>12554610There is no good reason to ever use RP1 in a reusable vehicle. Subcooled methalox is like 70-80% of the density with better performance, much cheaper (at Starship goal prices fuel is approaching half of the launch cost, meaning an RP1 Starship would be around an order of magnitude more expensive to launch), more predictable combustion, much less fouling.
>>12554623I'm the guy who came up with pic related. I wanted RP1 because it's easier to store in awkwardly shaped tanks in the launcher's fuselage and wings.Yes, I know I forgot to draw the cargo module, so sue me.
>>12554630Wing tanks don't make sense in a rocket, in an SSTO especially the dry mass ratio wouldn't even pay for itself. Hell, I don't think it's even possible to make an RP1 SSTO period. Maybe if it had an airbreathing mode like Skylon but the extra complication would introduce even more dry mass. SSTOs are dumb.
>>12554560fuck Bezos I'm happy that his ex-wife ripped 20 billions out of his pockets
>>12554630why would you want this. extra points for creativity though lol, this is actually being used in some cursed timeline
>>12554638Like I said, it's not a SSTO, it's an air-launched TSTO. The giant rocket boat plane is suborbital, the cargo module is the second stage and is boosted to mach 6 just below the Karman line.I'm a dumbass for not drawing the cargo module but you should get my point.
>>12554646Why is it even a rocket in that case? It could be a giant scramjet, cut out the lox weight, switch to subcooled methane and cut out even more weight as well as most of the fuel cost (and even be entirely locally fueled from the air and water), and still reach the same speeds.
>>12554598Bloomberg Index is better for private value (SpaceX)https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/profiles/elon-r-musk/
>>12554321We talk about a lot of meme drive but rarely about the Tandem Mirror fusion drive.
>>12554571>tfw I didn't buy any TSLA a year ago
>>12554675tfw I did a presentation to a college class back in 2013 about bitcoin, but never bothered to mine any bitcoin myself or even buy it for the novelty. I bet all my classmates think I'm a millionaire now. Rip.
>>12554660I just don't like the logistics of having to switch between propulsion systems in flight.Never mind that ramjets can't produce thrust at idle velocity.
>>1255468040 keks
>>12554678>I bet all my classmates think I'm a millionaire nowDon't worry, I doubt they think about you at all.
>>12554698I'm sure they think about the time they were told how cool bitcoin was back in 2013 and how they could have been a millionaire if they listened
>>12554603It's good but it's not real money.It could go down as quickly as it went up.
>>12554691Hybrid ramjets are a thing, and you wouldn't need any switch to rockets with such a low first stage velocity. It would still be dumb, but the original concept is even dumber. RP1 is a terrible choice as fuel costs would be astronomical, engines would need to be taken apart every flight and you would never have the advantage of FFSC, and the aerospikes are entirely unnecessary as you don't have vacuum performance to be concerned about.
Made a video about firefly, they're actually kinda based. Look like they have the right idea, just lacking reuse. What do you guys think about 'em? Really exited for both Alpha and Beta, not to mention the moon missions.https://youtu.be/NNZAlqpFNKQ
>>12554711I'm well aware. But it's just play money and I'm practically desensitized from loss after trading biotech lol.
>>12554711I wish more people would understand this, especially the people who think billionaires are simply earning shittons of liquid cash that can be taxed. If Elon had a salary in the billions maybe I'd agree with them, but that's not how it works.
>>12554674exactly, and the tandem mirror experiment was a real fusion research program in the 80's so also a very nice real life reference
>>12554712After reading this I'm starting to see why RP1 would complicate things so I'm open to using alternatives.But I wanted aerospikes because the engines need to maintain thrust efficiency from (literally) sea level to 50km altitude. With a fixed wing HTOL you have the perk of being able to have a starting thrust-to-weight ratio below 1:1 so that can save fuel.
>>12554598Forbes is month old. Lol. Musk had gone from 20b last year to 187b right now
>>12554727Jesus how
>>12554724Aerospikes flatten the performance curve across atmosphere and vacuum but as long as you're staying within either a more specialized bell nozzle will always outperform it. It'll outperform it most at a tuned point and less outside of that, but it will not be worse as long as it isn't doing two jobs.
Dubs and SN9 fuckin explodes
>>12554731S&P
>>12554731Tesla bubble. Most (90%+) of Musk's wealth is in Tesla stocks, which are insanely overvalued atm.
>>12554748Musk is going to own most of the battery market in ten years and the battery market is going to a explode over that time. It's not that crazy if you know what you're looking at.
>>12554748With all that capital now, Teslas growth will continue to increase at close to 40-50% a year for he next few years. There's even suspect that they might surpass that this year and reach 1m cars or close to that.
>>12554741dubs and I fuck your mom
>>12554713>Rocket Lab's ProtonI'm pretty sure it's called the Photon.
https://earthweb.ess.washington.edu/space/M2P2/theory.htmlHow long until we build and launch one?
>>12554771yikes lol, electron probably got me thinking about proton
>>12554713Cool to see a video on an emerging rocket company. The Alpha is pretty much just another rocket at this point, and though I'd love to see it succeed, I wonder what the long-term viability of it is. For their sake, I hope they can pull off a success with this launch or soon, because between RL flying now and Astra and Virgin flying soon, it's already getting crowded and more competitors are on the way.The Beta as currently presented would've been a good competitor to SpaceX and ULA a few years ago for medium-size satellites, but not really now. Also, its design has been constantly changing (from a three-core Alpha to a single-stick with AJR engines to a single-stick with in-house engines), so it seems pretty early in development. I'm pessimistic about it flying.I knew they were already diversifying into other space systems, but the plans you showed look cool. Hope that works out for them.
>>12554771Beck should go buy a surplus Proton to complete his subatomic collection
>>12554809Imagine a Proton launching from Mahia
>>12554741SN9 will stick the landingCheck em’
>>12554736I also know that Aerospikes that burn RP1 do exist but they're much smaller plug nozzles rather than linear spikes like on the X-33. I also took the idea from the sea dragon to use propellant extracted directly from the adjacent seawater by electrolysis. I'm going to have to do some serious rethinking on this entire concept but I think if I really bust may ass I can get it right. We need an ultra heavy reusable launch system.
>>12554741dubs and SN9 lands successfully
dubs and SN9 testing gets delayed 2 months because of incorrectly filed paperwork
>>12554741Dubs and SN9 lands successfully on Jeff Bezos' mansion
dubs and New Glenn launches next month
>>12554741Dubs and SN9 Lands on Mars, builds a hive city and a lab that creates genetically engineered waifusAlso jews get scorched by a solar flare
>>12554809>launch electron as an upper stage for a proton>call it the hydrogen rocket>still somehow better than actual hydrolox monstrosities
What would be the process for buying a dozen SCUD missiles (sans warhead) from the Republic of Egypt for research purposes? Asking for a friend.
>>12554859Egypt probably wouldn't risk selling them to non state actors. North Korea and Iran would be your best bet, as they're in the process of modernizing their missile arsenal, and have no qualms with supplying weapons to terrorists.
>>12554463>>12554540Facebook just fucked WhatsApp and people are looking for an alternative. Most people suggest Signal.
>>12554868How'd they fuck whatsapp?
>>12554870People use WhatsApp for privacy but Facebook announced that they'll now end the privacy and begin harvesting the data.
>>12554868EFF suggests it which is good enough for me
>>12554574People know. They just don't care.
Does Musk legally have to give the DoD access to monitor all Starlink traffic because of the PATRIOT ACT? I wonder if there's going to be a whistle blower about that, or if he's personally involved in that in any way.
>>12554889Patriot Act is dead because Trump refuses to sign on the bill to fund it. Biden will have to activate it again consciously rather than merely maintaining it
>>12554630Swap the RP1 for methalox bro.
>>12554901I thought that was only certain provisions of the bill? I hope it's fucking dead, good riddance to (((emergency powers))))
>>12554912>I thought that was only certain provisions of the bill?The spying part
>>12554912>I hope it's fucking dead, good riddance to (((emergency powers))))Would be pretty cool to have a Palpatine tho
what equipment/facilities would one need to live on Mars for at least 2 years before another rocket can get there?
>>12554321based Planetes poster
>>12554924Sufficient life support and reliable power are the obvious concerns. You may or may not need food production as well, depending on how much you've packed.
>>12554924You could land a starship and live inside it for two years with just a handful of EVAs to set up some infrastructure and retrieve supplies from your cargo ship. But if the goal is to set up a colony you're going to need a lot more stuff.
>>12554889Wouldn't it be more because it was launched on a rocket than the payload itself being relevant?
Hey look, we're going to MArs.<Country goes into civil war>Yeah, I'll bet on China instead.
>>12554741Dubs and SLS explodes on its green run.
Think we'll ever see a spaceplane carrier landing IRL?
>>12554713Too much song and dance about their next gen product, while the current gen product withers on the vine.
>>12554970The Jews are pushing hard to stop us from leaving the Earth. They want us confined here to become mutt slaves for them.
>>12554972I don't think it's improbable, the X-37 is quite a bit smaller than an F-18, though it might need some hull strengthening to deal with arrest cable landing
>>12554970it's a pretty shitty civil war if 3/4 of the casualties were heart attacks
>>12554972It's a little redundant if you can't take back off from the carrier, and no worthwhile spaceplane can launch from......What about Starship?
>>12554999See you in a few years.Biden is gonna cancel space because of Covid.And the fact yestrerday didn't change anything means exactly that. It didn't change anything.You're still having about half the population supporting Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I0UYXVqIn86 hours
>>12555000>Starship carrieraw shit, now we're talking
>>12555012Sexy
>>12555012wouldnt an all black ship absorb a ton of heat from the sun?
>>12555012Needs Mk 41 VLS cells. If you can fit full length Mk 41 cells onto Starship, you can fit a bewildering array of weapons:>ESSM (point defense missiles)>Standard missiles (anti-air, anti-space, anti-missile, and anti-ship family of missiles)>Tomahawk missiles (require no introduction)>ASROC (anti-submarine torpedo carrying rockets)>and many more!
>>12554972There isn't really any reason to. Plus with gliders there's no backup if the arresting wire is missed or snaps.Maybe if we ever got a spaceplane that landed under jet power, but then you would be able to just cruise it to a runway.
>>12555022And also radio waves.
it's crazy to think that musk's most potentially profitable project, starlink, is already in beta testing.When the tesla stock bubble pops he will already have another massive moneyprinter company underway.
>>12555022Well, I wouldn't know what USSF would use it for, but it would at least avoid optical detection.
>>12555033>bubble pops>2000 level AAAAAAAAAAing>everything oversold>Musk does a cheeky Starlink IPO at the bottom and makes is all rich
>>12555033Is starlink going to public stocks?
>>12555045they said they were going to spin it off and take it public a while ago, but then quickly walked that back. I think it would be stupid not to take it public after Starship is up and running and capable of filling out the rest of the constellation very quickly, but it's not like Musk needs the money at the moment so who knows. Maybe there are SpaceX investors who would want to pressure him into it since it would make them as absurdly rich as he is almost immediately.
>>12555051>they said they were going to spin it off and take it public a while ago, but then quickly walked that backThe first mention of Starlink going public had it on the condition that revenue growth was stable/predictable
>>1255464435.660 billion in todays stock value
>>12555067even better
>>12554610bro, airspikes dont work how many times do we gotta tell you
>>12555023>put air breathing missiles on an interplanetary spaceshipAnon, i...
>>12555069Yeah i abhor women but that one move was indeed based.
Say what you will about this things capabilities, it looks GOOD
>>12555023You could probably get away with packing four to six 2x4 modules into a cargo variants fairing. I don't know how much they weigh so it could be less
>>12555088A moon lander space shuttle looking hybrid, hell yeah
>>12555088the sort of rounded pyramid shape is pretty sexy
what do you think will happen to roscosmos?they seem kinda hopeless, spacex can get crew to the iss far cheaper and the f9 in general is much cheaper. i think their only hope is probably gonna be NASA having the soyuz in case crew dragon or starliner (lol) aborts or has a delay or something.
>>12555085Not him but it's for the proposed space force point to point version for cargo. It's still retarded since putting VLS lengthwise would tip it over if you used it even ignoring the tank space that would be used up
>>12555022It could store its heat in heat batteries and perhaps radiate it away after it reaches the far side of the earth, given the already high value and size of the thing. Also, I'm guessing that its deployment time would be relatively short, preferably on the far side of earth to help avoid detection
>>12555088>>12555074should've gotten this instead of Shuttle
>>12555088it looks like a bootleg starship
>>12555088Has anyone run the numbers on what it could do if it were methalox instead?
>>12554336>what do you mean by "circularize"?You never played kerbal?
>>12555088Yeah it looks badass, but have you seen the interior? It can fit like 3 people, and they are packed like sardines
>>12555023>>12555092Fit 5in gauss cannons with many different shot types, anti-sat and anti-ship torpedo tubes and 20mm point defense autocannons, Maybe even interceptor and torpedo bomber drones if you really want >>12555088If Starship and DC-X had a drunken lovechild, this would be it
>>12554785Electrons emit photonsProton is the name of their next vehicle
So is there gonna be a hop tomorrow or no?
>>12555142sn8 hop was delayed like 5 times, probably not desu
>>12555146>probably not desuDelete this shit right now.
>Space Exploration Technologies Corp. Is an underdog for some 20 years>Finally begin to BTFO everyone with the alliance of Jim Bridenstine>Their newest rocket is the holy grail: a completely reusable rocket with fuckhuge capabilities>Musk slips himself in as the richest man on planet earth; preparations have begun for a voyage to the new frontier Are... are we gonna make it bros?
>>12555142ya, elon's net worth is gonna hop another 20,000m
>>12555165>jim bridenstineim gonna miss him bros...
>>12555085All of those except Tomahawk are solid fueled, and the Tomahawks would be released on suborbital hops and allowed to fall until they reach cruising altitudebasically a drive by shooting at the edge of space, with cruise missiles
>>12555165>Are... are we gonna make it bros?No. 3 branches of Democrats.
>>12555096I dare say russias only hope is to offer themselves to the chinese. America just doesn't need russia anymore.
>>12555088Paper. It would cost a trillion to build it, if lockheed had their way.
>>12555177For 2 years.
>>12555183If you think 4am ballot dumps are going away in 2 years, you're sadly mistaken. You're in a dark fucking time.
>>12555165By Mars, I hope soIf we get hold of a starship, some equipment and a cloning vat, we at least could guarantee an off-world colony
does spacex have any plans for when starship will be retired?
>>12555190BIGGER starship or putting in the money to make the original carbon fiber ITS work.
>>12555190Starship MK.II powered by indirect cycle nuclear reactor w/ NTRs and plasma magnet sail
>>12555087is that you Ryuunosuke
>>12555196CF was abandoned because it was found to be strictly inferior. Steel isn't just cheaper and easier to work with, at cryo it's better in strength to weight as CF gets worse while stainless gets much better.
>>12555190In about two decades. He will then be moving on to 36m+ variant with modular cargo bay and optional orion drive for pulse nuclear travel to the outer solar system
>>12555207source?
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>>12554762Tesla just raised $5billion for expansion by issuing stocks with 1% dilution.
>>12555141And if it goes RUD they can call it phonon.
>>12555165After yesterday's events, I don't know (at least as far as Starship and similar/related is concerned).I know it's been discussed before, but I think now would be a good time to give it some more serious thought: What would happen to SpaceX in the event of massive social upheaval?
>>12555165If he can set up a sustainable colony before the earth descends into a mutt infested dark age then humanity is golden and in a couple hundred years his clone can bring civilisation to the subhuman mutants of what was the Earth.
>>12555212Kek it was just an exaggeration, but he has expressed interest in making a 36m next
>tfw you become the world's richest man by parting redditors from their money, shitting down the throats of short sellers and telling the SEC to get fuckedVery based.
>>12555225They take their infrastructure, team, and assets somewhere that won't be disturbed
>>12555235Yes, that would be Mars.
>>12555228Tesla is insanely overvalued, the shorts are right about that. Unfortunately, they're wrong about stocks having a rational basis.
>>12555225If shits seriously bad I.E. the right goes apeshit and starts fedposting irl then the whole country will be fucked, very bad for SpaceX but also good because it means no one will really be able to enforce ITAR so they can just pack their shit up and fuck off to China or Russia or Japan or wherever.
>>12555237or Boca Chicait's super defensible
>>12555242if the laws are unenforceable, there's no reason to leavejust set up shop in Boca Chica, McGregor, and Florida, and ship everything via either armed convoys or suborbital Starship
>>12555225>What would happen to SpaceX in the event of massive social upheaval?The FAA can't delay your launches if there is no FAA. Musk will declare himself King of Brownsville and hire an army of mercenaries to defend the Republic of South Texas.
>>12555247>ship everything via either armed convoysmad max america but the convoy is trying to get raptor engines to starship
>>12555244>>12555249So Elon's newest company is going to be a PMC?Shit, maybe I should move to Texas asap.
>>12555253Either that or he brings the Boys back together
>>12555247>>12555249
the biggest problem with that is that LA is going to become a warzone, Hawthorne is going to need to be shipped wholesale to either Brownsville or McGregor
>>12555253Or the US military decides that Starship is so important to maintaining dominance despite the decline of the Republic that they declare Boca Chica a military installation and provide protection and funding for Musk's madness. Basically the Brotherhood of Steel, but with Starships instead of power armor.
>>12555259It’ll calm down after he releases nerve gas
>>12555252It’s a race to get off this world before the savages get off on our corpses.
>>12555012putitinmybuttnow
>>12555247>Elon seizes all NASAs assets by force>Fortifies Cape Canaveral>Repurposes SLS as a big septic tank
>>12555257The Boys, you say?
>>12555268No, the Enclave will maintain control of the Cape. Elon will need to maintain good relations with them.
>>12554674>>12554721The real tandem mirror machine, for reference. Not a plasma doctor but from my limited brainlet understanding it basically slams two jets of plasma head-on into one-another and then simultaneously fires a score of neutron beams into that center region, initiating fusion. The very uniquely shaped looping electromagnets are plasma mirrors meant to bounce cooling plasma coming from the core back into the region of fusion, however this was insufficient and eventually lead to the later Tokomak doughnut design and then Stellarator helical design.>>12555088It never even existed outside of GOOD looking renders, there are no capabilities for it.
I just really want to see ASROC launched from a Starship. Anti-submarine rockets carrying torpedoes launched from suborbital space. Because fuck that submarine in particular.
>>12555102Shuttle is from seventies, Delta Clipper from nineties, and Lockheed mars lander is recent.
>>12555263Unless the Air Force at large breaks off to basically form their own interim government and do whatever the hell they want then there's not a chance in hell that's happening.
>>12555276If we're talking about which Fallout faction is Elon it isn't even a contest
>>12555279>MIRV torpedoes>torpedo in a hypersonic glide vehicle
>>12555289there was also an ASROC variant tipped with a nuclear depth charge
>>12555287I'm just using the Fallout name for the remnants of the USGovthe Cape (and probably most of Cocoa etcetera) will stay in their control
>>12555281By recent he means 2018
>>12555088https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCFWLrlCWYkino, doesn't look like a fucking tintin rocket
>>12555298That is recent in comparison to two decades between each of these
>>12555165with the democrats in power, get ready to see a lot of "whitie on the moon" and calls for more gibs and reparations.
>>12555313There’s negresses on the Artemis teams I’m sure
>>12555277It seem the tandem mirror research continue in other country, with new different material.Link to "Three Game Changing Discoveries: A Simpler Fusion Concept?" is considered spam.>Truck size Polywell fusion reactor when?
>>12555315Good thing it will never get there.
>>12555225All the social unrest in the US will magically go away once biden officially becomes president.Because the media won't be riling&decieving the people 24/7 anymore.
>>12555326>critacal
>>12555249Yes fuck yes
>>12555190Current Starhip will expand to 18m Starship, or something just as bigger. After that is still in the bags. Maybe nuclear propulsion? Who knows.
>>12555326https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQBndfckEIo&feature=emb_titleYeah here's a presentation on one of the new tandem mirror concepts, video's from 2017 so it's at least pretty close to contemporary with stuff like Tokamak or Stellarator.
>>12555331>>12555225>>12555165With Trump out of the picture his cult will slowly dissolve so there will finally be some stability and progress in America.
first F9 launch thread of the year in a couple bongs!
>>12555364>t. Thinks women can have penises
>>12554713nice. The current and up and coming smallsat market is really interesting. Btw for what it's worth I personally would watch a video breakdown of them all. Nothing too in-depth just a rocket comparison, like how Firefly is actually quite large (1000kg payload) and Astra is comparatively tiny. The problem here is that there are so many of them. Actually nevermind I found a list and holy fuck there are a ton of these things: https://www.newspace.im/launchers . I've not heard of most of them.
>>12555371why is arca on that chart
>>12555277>>12555326>The last machine, the Mirror Fusion Test Facility was 372 million dollars, at that time, the most expensive project in Livermore history. It opened on February 21, 1986 and was promptly shut down. The reason given was to balance the United States federal budget.[11] This program was supported from within the Carter and early Reagan administrations by Edwin E. Kintner, a U.S. Navy captain, under Alvin Trivelpiece. Kintner resigned in 1982 complaining that the federal government had not provided the resources needed for the research.[14]I red about magnetic mirror fusion the other day and this struck me as really odd.
If dubs, hop tomorrow.
>>12555382if dubs sn9 goes the proton way and crashes into the ground nose first
>>12555364Okay, just dont get mad when CCP china is on the moon while nasa is still deciding on how many poc's&genders the first back to the moon mission needs, endorsed by the biden administration, of course.
>>12554799yeah, not sure if "the biggest smallsat launcher" is a valid niche. We'll see.>>12554972would be cool if spacex bought an old carrier and turned it into a droneship>>12555012damn that looks awesome>>12555088it looks cool until you see how cramped it is. Fucking hygromeme
>>12555394what would propellant volume space look like with other fuels?
>>12555382>tfw no bunny gf to snuggle with
>>12555346>BOOMCan you even make a Tandem Mirror engine explode?A loss of power would interrupt the fusion but the pressure would dissipate immediately. Even more since this one is a SPACE engine.
>>12555240>they're wrong about stocks having a rational basis.very true. I see tesla stock people saying shit like "Elon sleeps in his factory... he's not an ordinary guy which means that Tesla is not an ordinary stock!" Shit makes no sense but this kind of thinking keeps their morale high.
>>12555088Lockheed martin has always been my favorite oldspace company. Definitely the most competent of the bunch.Now if only their lander wasn't fucking hydromeme
>>12555379Clearly this is a sign that it worked perfectly and this had to hide this newly discovered supertech.SLS is merely a decoy to hide that they have been building a Marsbase using fusion powered spaceship for a while.It would annoy them if Elon came nearby, that's why the congress will kill the project on legal reason.Gotta hide the Men In Black you see...
>>12555379>This struck me as really odd.It's honestly quite simple, the United States Government is an active and malevolent enemy to the United States citizenry, and is doing everything within it's power to annihilate any vestiges of freedom left in the country. That means all economic freedom, freedom to speak, to defend oneself, to move and travel and interact with other people unhindered, all forms of individual sovereignty. Practical fusion power means an enormous and rapid reduction in the costs (and thus constraints) of electrical power for the average person and for independent industry, practical space travel similarly is the ultimate freedom of movement, the ability to literally leave an entire planet behind if you don't like it but can marshal the resources to get out. They want us trapped here to become their slaves in perpetuity.
>>12555414remember the bush and obama moon/mars dreams? that reminds me of thisor maybe its always been this way and i was a normie back then
is cost plus /sfg/ bro here?i like your bideos. maybe try adding some light background music, it makes it seem less flat. you have good production value, i hope you make it anon
>>12555394Dude fuck spending 12+ months in that thing.
>>12555012In the 70s the US had some retarded plan to convert 747's into flying aircraft carriers. Starship has a similar usable volume to a 747, maybe it can be done?
https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-releases-energy-space-strategyReleased yesterday, so it was overshadowed.
>>12555427I can only see it as drone launcher.
>>12555427
>Boeing charged with criminal conspiracy and fined $2.5 billion for coverup over 737 Max crasheshttps://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/doj-fines-boeing-over-2point5-billion-charges-it-with-fraud-conspiracy-over-737-max-crashes.htmlOH NO NO NO, BOEING BROS, WE GOT TOO COCKY
hehe
>>12555432Thank fuck for this, page 8 of the actual document, objective 1.2:>"The increased power demands of long-duration surface crewed missions and crewed flights beyond the Moon have led to consideration of surface fission power and nuclear propulsion technologies. Surface fission power reactors are envisioned to provide stable, base-load power to meet anticipated habitat and exploration missions on other worlds. Space nuclear propulsion systems offers advantages for exploration missions to Mars and beyond, including increased mission flexibility, mission abort modes, improved crew health and safety, and reduced mission cost.">"DOE has a long history of advancing nuclear power solutions in support of the U.S. space goals. Starting in the 1960’s, DOE’s predecessor agency, the Atomic Energy Commission, actively designed and deployed the world’s first space reactor for use as a satellite power system (SNAP-10A) and also demonstrated nuclear propulsion technology through the NERVA program. DOE is well qualified and will play a critical role in developing and supporting future space nuclear power systems such as fission reactors for crewed base camps on the Moon, as well as space nuclear propulsion systems that may carry crews to Mars. Further, as with RPS, DOE will be able to take advantage of this space nuclear power R&D in the ongoing efforts to revitalize the U.S. commercial nuclear industry, leveraging commonalities in fuel design, material and component testing, and demonstration of small reactors to expand the use of technology to remote locations. "
>>12555447>>12555450BOINGBTFO
>>12555447>>12555450Won't have much of an effect on their space and defense divisions, but it's good to see that they're being held criminally liable by the government for once.
>>12555447>>12555450Any chance boing! goes bankrupt because of this?
>>12555460Probably not but their stock will surely eat shit and some more corporate heads will probably roll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQG9yVDx08E
>>125554502 billion is nothing to boeing
>>12555465>Boeing fined 2/3rds of a Kratos Defense
>>12555460Their annual revenue was $76 billion last year, so no. It’s probably gonna be less for 2020 due to the collapse of the airline industry, but $2.5 billion in fines isn’t an existential threat to their financials.
>>12555427I've made a professional mock-up of the concept. I expect to receive $5 billion from USAAF and DARPA to turn this into reality.
>anons talking about the next big thing in spaceflight>not even a single mention of the new glenn
>>12555465>>12555470Yeah I'd wager the stock hit due to loss of investor confidence will be significantly worse than the fine itself.
>>12555480Ok newfag
>>12555480it's not the next big thingI'm excited, but just because I want to see it fly
>>12555470>>12555465Treating this like you would decreased revenue is stupid, this is a two billion dollar loss when they're already not profitable and keep losing money.
>>12555480Hi Bezos, still seething that the guy who smokes pot is richer than you now?
>>12555480Right, we're talking about the next big things in spaceflight, not New Glenn.
>>12555396Real question, how fucked or huge would starship look if it was hydrolox?
>>12555474where does the fuel go
>>12555480>manned landing ship>falcon heavy sized booster>never landed an orbital booster beforeThis will end in explosions and a sunk Jacklyn
>>12555501I hope the first booster explodes so they get their fucking heads out of their asses. Could you imagine?
>>12555480bezos begone
>>12555480hi jeff, maybe if you didnt get divorced you would still be richer
Has anyone been autistic enough to create an "entry velocity/entry altitude time to terminal velocity" chart for Starship yet?
>>12555480it literally doesn't exist, member when they released the photos of the factory it was supposedly being built in and it was just an empty room?
>>12555508SpaceX but they haven't shared itit's very dependent on the parameters of Starship during reentry (mass, CD, L/D, etcetera)
UHG OOOOGHGH I'M GONNA...I'M...AUUUUUGHGHG I'M PROOOOOONTING!I'M NUCLEAR PROOOONTING!
>>12555518what the FUCK is this
>>125555203D PROOONTED nuclear reactor fuel element. Not some rando university project that will never actually accept fuel either, it's being done by ORNL.
The starship is a meme concept. Even if it does successfully flop on its belly on reentry, and even if the landing burn fully ignites and does its job of slowing the object down accordingly to what'd been planned, the debris upon landing pose too much of a threat to the physical integrity of the outer engines. The damage a flying projectile at such high speeds, flinged from the earth beneath the rocket due to the impacting thrust, could provoke irreparable damage to the outer layers of the starship, thus compromising the efficiency of its internal works. It's a flaw thats not avoidable in the slightest with our current technological capabilities.The New Glenn, however, is immune to this phenomenon, as it boasts state-of-the-art technologically enhanced engines that put starship's thrust generators to shame.A new era in spaceflight is enclosing on us. And it's coming to stay. The New Glenn will redefine the general public's notion of what is advanced tech. Be ready and fearful, for nobody is slowing us down.
>>12555518UHG OOOOGHGH I'M GONNA...I'M...AUUUUUGHGHG I'M POOOOOOLSING!I'M NUCLEAR POOOOLSING!
>>12555474>I expect to receive $5 billion from USAAF and DARPA to turn this into reality.A bargain! under budget and ahead of schedule already. Sasuga 4ass
>>12555525
>>12555526>3D supersonic deposition PROOONTed solid tricarbide core pure methane cooled nuclear-thermal pulse rocket.>TWR 100+>ISP 10,000+Future's got a nice cherenkov glow lads.
>>12555518watching the heat spread in time lapse like that is pretty rad
>>12555536based and torchpilled
>>12555536B-B-B-BUT WHAT ABOUT LE REGULATIONS???? YOU CANT JUST HAVE NUKES IN SPACE THIS TREATY FROM 1959 SAYS SO NOOOOOO
>>12555525Bro you're fucked in the head
Trips and SpaceX goes bankrupt on the morrow
>>12555555You fool!
>>12555555d-does this still count?
When will Elon cash out and use his $200 billion of personal wealth to fully fund Mars?
>>12555555NOOOO AHHHHH
>>12555559Yes
IT'S OVER FOR BOING 2.5 BILLION
>>12555555>quints>five 5'sjesus christ
>>12555555WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
>>12555555Someone get this hothead out of here
>>12555555well, it must be true
>>12555561Starship R&D probably could not possibly go any faster. Throwing more money at it at this point is like the classic "getting nine women pregnant and expecting a new baby every month"
>>12555555
>>12555561It’s not personal wealth, it’s meme money from stocks.
>>12555450AVERT YOUR EYES, BOEING BROS
>>12555012Hopefully we see sexy mach 2.2+ planes return thanks to the space force.
>>12555572SpaceX is making great progress considering that Starship is an entirely blank slate design.
>>12555555two trips cancels out your initial trips and applies reverse effect
>>12555572I mean, if you stagger impregnating them...
>>12555580space force is a meme, anything it does can just be done by the air force and/or NASA
>>12555555press f
>>12555582by god, h-he's right!
Senate Launch SystemHouse Landing System
>>12555586>space force is a meme, anything it does can just be done by the air force and/or NASA
>>12555572>Starship R&D probably could not possibly go any fasterI don't think so either, so I assume he'll cash out at a later time... probably sometime after people are on Mars.
>>12555555I guess our only hope now is the New Glenn then
>>12555586fuck off commie
>>12555586Space Force is meant to integrate the space assets of the disparate branches into a single command and control structure. It’s a good thing that it’s finally independent and doesn’t have to fight for funding with the USAF’s fighter jocks.
>>12555598Viasat blown the fuck out bad
>>12555582>>12555590OR it doubles the effect, meaning SpaceX goes bankrupt x2
>>12555598Spex rebutal?
>>12555470Revenue is not what you should be looking at. Profit is what you want and boeing has had -1 billion profit for 2020, this turns that into -3.5 billion.Companies with monstrous revenues have gone bankrupt before.
>>12555605Objection!This claim was never codified in the Book of Numbers as recognized by the Law of Numbers
>>12555525Jeff Who?
>>12555598>viasat tries to use the federal government to trip up SpaceX>they forget that SpaceX is now the DOD’s favorite space launch provider
>>12555598FUCKING REKT
>>12555606yeahhttps://docs.google.com/gview?url=https://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=3380734
>>12555598Better get those bankruptcy papers ready viasat lmao.
>>12555610But it is. I know it for i wrote the damn thing!
>>12555608Fair enough. There’s a difference in intentionally forgoing profitability and putting losses towards growth (a la Amazon) and actually losing money. Not sure which one the case is for Boeing.
>>12555598can you post link to source doc? ty anon
>>12555627Forgive me, Loremaster, you did not have your trip on
>>12555394You have to take into consideration that it's literally just a redesign of this.
>>12555630read the thread
>>12555633The lockheed lander is so much better than the national team lander. Why did lockheed abandon it to throw their hats in with northrop and BO?
>>12555633This lander is based though. The LM Mars lander is pretty cool assuming something like Starship doesn’t exist
>>12555598This is about as close as the government can get to just directly saying "go fuck yourself"
>>12555650this is a message from SpaceX to the Commission about ViasatSpaceX is telling Viasat to get fucked
>>12555598>Viasat, in its desperation to mislead as well as material misrepresentations to support a belated Petition that, unironically,Based
>>12555645Maybe they thought it would be easier for them to win the bid, if the work is divided between the three companies, rather than doing everything on their own.
>>12555598Holy fucking shit the commission fucking caved Viasat's asshole in. I wonder if whoever wrote this had a shit day and needed to just blast someone to feel better or if Viasat fucking killed their dog or something.
>>12555670This is from SpaceX to the CommissionWhoever is at SpaceX is absolutely enjoying themselves blasting shit at Viasat here
>>12555598What's the Commission's response to this?
>>12555679Give them a day or two, this happened today.
>>12555679None yet, at least that I can see
the bizarre thing is that viasat has a launch scheduled with spacex
>>12555679>Uh daddy DOD please don’t rip open my asshole.>Okay DOD-sama I will support SpaceX>Viasat’s CEO is found dead in an apparent suicide
>>12555692It would sure be a shame if it scrubbed continously for 8 months
SN6 getting dismantled
>>12555692It sounds weird, but it's normal. In the tech industry there's alot of lawsuits between tech companies but also alot of collaboration. Companies are always trying to gain an edge, even if it means working with your enemy.
>>12555172>basically a drive by shooting at the edge of space, with cruise missilesSo that's why it's painted black.
>>12555692SpaceX has launched a lot of “competitor” payloads. Remember the Iridium launches from 2017? All of those went into an LEO constellation. Remember Orbcomm OG2? Also an LEO constellation. Not even including the dozens of geostationary comsats SpaceX launches yearly anyways.That being said Viasat is retarded as fuck. However they’ll probably fly on an Ariane V
>>12555692Maybe they felt pissy about the price or the negotiation was heated or something so VC felt like they needed to fuck SpaceX over as retaliation. Guess we'll see how that works out for them in the near future.
>>12555699There goes the theory that they're going to use it for the Lunar SS mockup...
>>12555699Ah that’s too bad. She got nowhere near as much fanfare as SN5 but did a great job of smoothing out the landing process.Fair winds SN6. I won’t see you all as ashes. You are all diamonds.
The first Falcon 9 launch of the year is upon us!>Launch window: 0128-0528 GMT on 8th (8:28 p.m.-12:28 a.m. EST on 7th/8th)>Launch site: SLC-40, Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida>A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch the Turksat 5A communications satellite for Turksat, a Turkish satellite operator. Built by Airbus Defense and Space with significant Turkish contributions, the Turkish 5A satellite will provide Ku-band television broadcast services over Turkey, the Middle East, Europe and Africa. >Delayed from Nov. 30 and December. Delayed from Jan. 4. [Jan. 5]
>>12555719Mockery of Boing! and Jeff Who? will be kept to an appropriate minimum!
wait there's a static fire tonight too? three hour window: 5pm-8pm.
>>12555719Rolling for roachsat RUD immediately after payload separation
>>12555725canceled
>>12555725Probably gonna test the header tanks.
>>12555729gah
>>12555524Functional or not, proonted grain is so fucking disgusting. I like how you can clearly see the milled piece, probably the only part that had to meet any kind of performance metric
>>12555737imagine milling such a huge fucking piece of stainless steel
First launch thread of the year! Turksat 5A on a Falcon 9.>>125557394-hour launch window opens in two bongs and 28 bings
>>12555491Losses are tax deductible
>>12555424Hey! I keep meaning to do it and then I keep forgetting lol.It really means a lot, these niche videos don't do well but I enjoy looking into these companies. Plus making youtube videos is kinda fun, nice way to get your thoughts out.
>>12555728I'll reroll that for you bro
>New Glenn>New ShepardAren't these names a bit presumptuous?
>>12555767don't forget New Armstrong
>>12555737You do realize that you can still put a piece of proonted metal into a lathe and clean it up right? The difference is that you'll only need to clean it up, rather than having to drill and shape the thing out of a block many times heavier than the original part, while not being able to form all the same shapes a laser sintering printer can. Once more precise heads are designed for supersonic deposition printers you won't even have to worry about much cleanup, since supersonic deposition has no sintering and needs no heat treating or washing.
>>12555772>laughs in San Pedro unionized workers
>>12555768No damn given unless he have the balls to make New Cernan
>>12555555Your hexes have effectively gone the opposite direction of your trips. Boeing just gets EVEN RICHER instead.
>>12555772*bursts* Imagine being water towers out of this
>>12555772Reminder that this thing got to 2.3 Bar before exploding lmao.
>>12555779>mission control center is called New Kranz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9Mkino
>>12555810
>>12555816Rise and shine SN9
>>12555819Esenine
>>12555775It's not just an aesthetic difference. Proonting produces a severely mechanically inferior product.
>>12555820Snine will do
>>12555820Snine’s fine and sine.
>>12555824Formerly Snate's.
>>12555816What's with the stains on the side?
>>12555829Rocket freckles.
>>12555826Needs waving Snate
>>12555829The remains of the employees that were crushed when it tipped.
>>12555819>>12555820>>12555823>>12555824All wrong. Clearly it is "Snuh9".
>>12555829those are pipes and stuff, you can't tell because it's so far away
>>12555823>>12555824We've had Snate and Snine, but Snten doesn't work. What then?
>>12555836sorry >>12555819 is fine.
>>12555822Laser sintering does, supersonic deposition does not, in fact it may produce superior results.
>>12555840Snten kinda does, same for Snelven. Real trouble begins with sntwelve and snteens.
>>12555816Based piece of shit scrap metal rocket dumping on oldspace.
>>12555840Sn'ten regardless, continue the tradition
SF?
>>12555866Snixteen and Snineteen work though. Sntwenty is the hard limit, until the Snineties
Maybe we talked about this and I missed it but did we celebrate this?https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/boeing-charged-737-max-fraud-conspiracy-and-agrees-pay-over-25-billion
>>12555887>Sninetinine
>>12555890see>>12555447>>12555450
>>12555772
>>12555901So did SpaceX actually do anything with those tank sections? Do you think they built some tanks and said “oh fuck this sucks.” We know of the 12 meter CF tank but that’s it desu. It seems like after the 2016 Announcement no word was made on BFR development until in 2018 Elon revealed that they built it out of Stainless instead
>>12555797what pressure does current starship get to?
>>12555840SNX, pronounced snex.
>>12555907That's basically what happened, they figured out they couldn't heat treat a single tank, tried two COPV sections fused together, those blew up, tried sections with metal joining between them, that blew up, realized it was LOX embrittling and delaminating the carbon layers, so they dumped it and went to metals that performed well at cryogenic temperatures.
>>125559167.5, usually. 6 is needed for orbital flight and 4.9 is good enough for small hops
>>12554318wish it had flown, the footage of this was pretty cool
>>12555951Unfortunately X-33 was doomed by NASA ex-director testifing agains it, and when Lockheed was asked to fund it themselves, the deal fell the moment their CEO retired.
Wait so do they just use Tesla battery packs?
>>12555975yes and motors
>>12555975Yes, the flaps use Tesla motors and battery packs to actuate.
>>12554259this guy is a soii cringy faggot but his launch streams are okayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=canlzf9dyIw
>>12555978>>12555979Based, its like Musk is concentrating all his hard work to ultimately get to mars. I assume he will be bringing tesla and boring company tech with him
>>12556002Yep, everything he's doing is in service to Mars.
>>12555984EverydayEstrogenaut makes great videos it’s just that he’s such a liberal fag that it offsets the neat visuals and information and whatnot.
>>12555965yeah the history of these vehicles and that competition was really interesting
>>12556013holy fuck he's annoying, that little sobbing dance he did on site at the launch recently...oof, he fucking LOVES science m'lady! ;)
>>12556013>butthurt about estronauthonestly why don't you people make your own equivalentthere has to be someone in your number that has the technical ability and knowhow to make science vidsheck all the cience vid youtube creators i know of are "soi"
>>12555951ahh found some footagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST_eBFvT3bY
>>12556035ahh wrong one here's the one with flighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7GASQEuzn8
>>12555840Senten
>>12556026>All science video creators are soiBecause politically conservative engineers don't shoehorn their ideology into unrelated topics.
>>12556026does cost plus count?although i am forever put off from him describing having human pilots in test flight as "irresponsible"another "hur muh robots" guy
>>12556043so where are the apolitical science channels where there are no trace of soi?
>>12556044It worked well for virgin galactic right?
Thank God Trump admitted defeat. Now we can truly explore outer space
>>12556048worked for bell boeing
>>12556047Angry Astronaut is kinda funny and I like how he shits on Blue and Boeing but on the other hand he seems to be a huge contrarian.
>>12556060Don’t do this...don’t derail the thread mang
>>12556047Paul from Curious Droid is okay
>>12556060Space is going to be explored no matter which one becomes president. SpaceX continues on
>>12555772Imagine the cost
>>12555772Is this the famous blackpill?
>>12555536I love fission. Fusion is gay. Fission is unbelievably based.
Hullo seems like a man's man.
>>12555555Trips and BO actually make a good rocket out of New Glenn
>>12556079I think that if there ever is a pulsed fission rocket they really should actually call it the Chernobyl Drive, because what it seems like you're essentially doing is causing the core to go prompt critical for a tiny fraction of a second, it's constantly sputtering between almost dead and 20kMW/th output. Name the first batch of ships after famous people who got melted in reactor accidents.
>>12556080He’s a Californian who posts on Twitter about how much he hates conservatives and jerks of Biden. He’s a simp for Kamala too
>>12556103None of that comes across in his videos about space though, seems like the kind of guy you could drink scotch with
Space in a normal airliner is cramped enough so Starship won't be much better. It definitely looks like Starship would be able to fit 100 people for E2E hops though and 30 people for E2M.
roachsat launch delayed by 45 minutes.Spacex is over.
>>12556121yeah but how many people can fit in the plane? 200?
>>12556130The 737-800 seats 162 passengers in a two-class layout or 189 passengers in a one-class layout.
>>12556103>hates conservativesbased>jerks off Bidenno he doesn't
>>12556136I'd imagine spacex quarters will be spartan but probably not cramped per se
>>12556121Window seats will be a must. Imagine being strapped in the middle of that, surrounded by 50 people on all sides.
>>12555984>he's UwUing Good god it's worse than I thought
>>12556103>waaah he doesn't complain about black people all day
>>12556150Imagine being strapped in the middle of that, surrounded by 50 people on all sides, and there is a family with a very upset baby next to you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZqNFzX1CSkmission control has video feed now huh
>>12556154This sounds kino
>>12556150>Imagine being strapped in the middle of that, surrounded by 50 people on all sides.Probably not a lot different than a middle seat on a 767 2bh.
I wonder how long it would take the FAA and other countries to allow Starship to be used for E2E anyway. It took the Boing 737 >>12556121 six years from program concept to the first customer getting it. It took SpaceX at least six years to get people to the ISS on Dragon 2. So assuming it takes six years for E2E flights then maybe we'll see Starship E2E near the end of the decade?
>>12556154I don't think they'll let babies on for awhile.
>>12556154>>12556159>>12556164Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the booster be considerably louder and more violent than a few jet engines?
>>12556153>>12556141Alright but when Artemis is pushed back he’ll jump to defend it.
>>12556170Yes it will. I just mean in terms of cramped suffering a few minutes of noise and Gs beats the hell out of a 24 hour flight.
>>12556159>be passenger on starship>rocket was late because everything had to be redirected to a backup site>said backup site is very small>everyone is crammed together>apparently the launch site has gotten foggy>there is also a returning booster that hasn't landed yet>suddenly a voice echoes across the intercom>the cabin fell to a cold scared silence as the 28 turbopumps spin up>"we gaan"
>>12556152
>Elon will be the richest man on Earth and Mars
>>12556182He’ll be put to death soon
>>12556172Let's be real Artemis was always going to be pushed back even if Trump won re-election.
>>12556192Maybe, maybe not. He would’ve been narcissistic enough to push the required funding for the objective to be completed within his presidency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I0UYXVqIn8livet-13 min till launch
Can starship deliver enoughmirrors to the Sun/Earth lagrange point to slow down global warming? Imagine the popular support Musk would get from the normies if he did that. Or, more likely, they wouldn't care and would attack him for being rich.Anyways, how much Delta V could a starship get if it was stripped down, basically an orbital tug for going from LEO or maybe GTO to the L1 lagrange point?
launch thread for those that missed it>>12555739
>>12556208>Can starship deliver enoughmirrors to the Sun/Earth lagrange point to slow down global warming?Yeah but thats taboo/illegal in the scientific community.
LAUNCH habbening
>>12556208Global warming is not happening
>>12556207roaches in spaaaaaaace!
>>12556156Feels emptier than usual
>>12556269Theres only 4 people missing
You can’t just recover boosters btw it makes no economic sense
>>12556301Go away oldspace.
>>12556301Go away thunderf00t
>>12556301Ok ULA
>71st booster landingIT BEGINS
>>12556313>71st booster landingIt's really amazing how quickly this has become routine.
>>12556315Tory?
>>12556323Nah, Bruno absolutely understands the economics of reuse. He's probably one of the few CEOs with a decent handle on reality on the oldspace side of things.
>>12556323Dude, Tory worked on X-33
>>12556327>implying arianespace thinking "but-but we'd only have to build one booster then fire the manufacturing staff :(" isn't the hottest and therefore most accurate understanding of re-use
>>12556338Reusable booster, expendable staff.
>>12556080He's a big-eyed gelded silicon valley bugperson.
>>12556338None of that would be a problem if ArianeSpace flew more missions. But they are retarded.
>>12556327If he does understand the economics of reuse, then he's spouting bullshit about how its not economical. Tory Burno throws shades at SpaceX all the time, when he SpaceX was paid little more than ULA for National Security launch, the pricing included was the cost needed to refit vertical stand. Yet, Bruno claimed "SpaceX is now more expensive than ULA" when ULA got a billion extra few months earlier for the same thing. Not only is that throwing shades, its disengenous and comes off as a bold faced liar.
>>12556350he's gotta spin man.
>African ground station downwhat a surprise
>>12556350Why the hell would the CEO of a company in a rather precarious situation ever admit that his competitor offers superior value? Regardless, he's done a decent job drastically reducing costs for ULA customers, and probably single-handedly saved the company (or at least delayed its destruction).
>>12556380Natives harvested the magic fluids inside the station.
>>12556350Tory Bruno runs a company that only sells launches and builds tanks that they throw away every launch. Engines are bought from third parties.To his company, they want to keep building tanks, lots of tanks to throw away every single launch to make it worth their while since they're no longer the sole little piggy suckling on the the DoD teat.So yeah, small wonder ULA has a different perspective on reuse to SpaceX who manufactures everything in-house.
>>12556109Yeah he’s cool in his videos, just don’t check his twitter. Like, ever.
>>12556426Transformer cooking oil? Yum yum.
>>12556080>Has a stable job>Land owner>Smart as fuck, probably 130 IQ or higher>KSP god>Get consulted for movies and books about spaceSFG is just jealous
>>12556475Hello Scott >>12556109Don’t look at his Twitter
>>12554522cope
>>12556109>seems like the kind of guy you could drink scotch withSeems like the kind of guy that would need permission from the missus to go out and drink scotch, honestly.
>>12554638>Hell, I don't think it's even possible to make an RP1 SSTO periodOriginal Atlas rocket but with a single Merlin engine could probably SSTO. That's the magic of putting a dense bipropellant into a balloon tank.
>>12556121it's closer to 1000 people for E2E for an hour or twoI think 100 for Mars might be a bit high but who knows
>SN8>2+ months on the pad before flight>SN9>2+ weeks on the pad before flight>SN10>?????????????Old space is fucking QUAKING right now
>>12556547ROLLED UP RIGHT TO THE FUCKING PAD AND STATIC FIRE TEST AT THE SAME TIME SN9 LAUNCHES AND LANDS
>>12556547Don't forget to compare to NROL-44 for extra oldspace agony.
>>12556554did that launch yet?
>>12556557Yes. December 11 2020
>>12556559Never forget
>>12556531They have kids, don't they?
>>12556581Dunno, but one glance at his videos and you can see who's in charge in that house. All his shit is crammed into a tiny little cuck shed.
>>12556547>SN10>2+ days on the pad before flight>SN11>2+hours on the pad before flight
>>12555225No problem m8, they would just relocate to Darwin, Australia.
>>12556584Pretty sure she does a lion's share of research for his channel so I think you may be projecting a bit anon..
>>12556581yeah they do>>12556584lol you guys are being a bit excessive
>>12556581Yeah, Sky and Orion
>>12556404There's not admitting competitor offering superior value and there's putting a disingenuous spin on something that could very well be a lie by omission.
>>12556603Women are retarded
>>12556547Sn10 might be a week. Tops. Get it out there, hook it up, do a pressure test. Do a static fire just to make sure things are ready to go. Launch it.
>>12556609Lmao how imaginative
>>12555901Those are the actual internal dimensions of Starship (I knew the numbers, just not intuitively)? If so that's roomy as fuck.
>>12555767>>12555768The last in line will be New Musk. Top lel
>>12555304It's ancient history
>>12556547>SLS core has been sitting in the stand for a yearJeez the first Superheavy will be tested before SLS is hoisted off the cuck platform
>>12556636The BFR will fly before SLS does.
>>12555401Overheat one of the superconducting magnets and you'll vaporize at least a few kilograms of metals, which will produce a decent explosion. Small in relation to the engine itself of course.
>>12556547>SN10>2+ days>SN11>2+ hours>SN12>2+ minutes>SN13>2+ seconds
>>12555555double trips
>>12556615>Zey bought stonks in Boeing and Blue Origin? Call Elon, tell eem to launch eet. >And one more thing, file zee lawsuit.
>Dr. Michio Kaku Believes Elon Musk's Mars Colonization Feat is Highly Feasible with Self-Replicating RobotsInteresting readhttps://www.techtimes.com/articles/255686/20210107/dr-michio-kaku-believes-elon-musks-mars-colonization-feat-highly.htm
>>12556693Reddit is seething because Space Man Bad:https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/ksfcz8/dr_michio_kaku_believes_elon_musks_colonization/
>>12555775>thinking microscopic material structure doesn't matterMetals are so sensitive to this that literally just quenching steel at a different rate will change its final strength/ductility/hardness/etc. Some methods of 3D printing are better than others (ie supersonic deposition vs laser sintering), but the vast majority of commercial alloys are simply impossible to replicate with any additive manufacturing method, including everything with the highest strength/toughness/corrosion resistance/etc.
>>12556693Michio Kaku is sort of a snakeoil salesman lmao. He’s definitely smart as shit, but he has found a niche where he can make money promoting technologies and theoretical physics that are too far for us to have and study
>>12555775Grab ashby enginering materials book and read it instead of pop sci garbage
>>12556041>>12556035>>12555951That is DC-X>>12554318That is X-33They are two different crafts, anon.
>>12556693>Who in their right mind would travel all the way to Mars to join a corporate village run by this guy? It’s not like you could leave.Lmao Reddit looks like they will be staying here then. Hand me the indenture paperwork Elon and get me the fuck off this shithole.
>>12556724Redditors are just angry they won’t be able to bring their funko pops with them to Mars.
>>12556640By BFR do you mean starship or true BFR (18+m)?
>>12556693>Self-Replicating Robots>Michio KakuI watched enough science channel growing up to know where this is going.
>>12556728Starship, but the way things are going True BFR may fly before SLS ever gets its geriatric ass off the ground.
>>12556726That actually brings up a good question. What kind of personal belongings would colonists be able to take with them? Presumably they’d be limited by mass, volume, and potential flammability.
>>12556733I'd want to bring my Krystal dakimakura so I wouldn't get lonely.
>>12556733Presumably they will be allowed a small bag of a few kilos with them. Anything else would be extra cost on a cargo flight.
>>12556724Same, just shove me in a Mars suit out in the general direction of what you want surveyed/mined and you’ll have a good geo report and a red wagon filled with oreAlso, would clothing on Mars just be extruded rubber vault suits? That seems like it could work
Living on Mars means no internet. Sure, they'll have backups of important shit like Wikipedia but forget Youtube or anything that you like to use daily. Before you give me some meme responses like "nothing of value was lost", do think about how much you actually rely on it.
>>12556705>>12556718I never said I was any kind of expert, but hey, why don't you two faggots go show up on the doorstep of ORNL and tell them they're wasting their time and they should just read Engineering Materials 1 so they can learn how to make a real nuclear reactor.
>>12556748I lived in rural Louisiana for two years with my Gramma and I was fine without internet. Just give me a gym and I’ll be good.
>>12556741>would clothing on Mars just be extruded rubber vault suitsSounds like that’d chafe a lot.
>>12556748There will probably be special command prompts that dump a lot of data on the most frequently visited website. Shit like news and wikipedia and email servers and youtube and stuff will probably be in constant contact with earth downloading batch files and storing the data on a server
>>12556756You overestimate how much data will be sent between the two planets quickly.
>>12556756I dont think you realize the sheer amount of data just Youtube alone will consume getting shot out to Mars. No, the way it's going to end up going is one or two starships loaded with computer hardware and data storage drives will be sent to establish Mars-net.There's a very good reason why extreme bulk data transport on earth is done using physical hardware and not the internet.
>>12556756>Shit like news and wikipedia and email servers and youtube and stuff will probably be in constant contact with earth downloading batch files and storing the data on a serverYouTube alone generates 720k hours of video every day. That kind of interplanetary bandwidth isn’t happening in the near term.
>Delta II has a near perfect record of 150+ launches>Delta IV has zero RUD’s, ever.>Delta THREE FUCKING FAILS EVERY SINGLE FLIGHTwhat happened Deltabros? Did we get too cocky?
Not gonna lie I really hoped Starship would fly to orbit in 2020. They’re still going fast as hell though but still
>>12556772Isn't that possibly the plan for SN15? I mean if SN9 and 10 nail the landings, why would they continue with only doing hops?
>>12556748>think about how much you actually rely on it.For actually practical purposes? pretty much fuck all. Street maps and email really. Nothing of value was lost, society would be much, much better off without the mind rot of the internet anyway.
>>12556778They need Superheavy to reach orbit. So far BN1 ain’t done yet and BN2 doesn’t even have parts on site.
So what day is it going to be?10th, 11th, or 12th? Any idea on a time as well?
>>12556748Most of what I use the Internet for is talking with people (not necessary when everyone lives in the same hab), research (there will be local data libraries), arguing about rockets (again, not needed on a Mars colony), and downloading new books or animu.
>>12556748would be interesting to see effects of this add/internet/dopamine/selfie/fomo generation experiencing mars travel/colonization with no internet for daily dopamine hits and catching up on instant news from earthat least until Elon sets up MarsNet
>>12556791Probably because producing BNs isn't a super high priority untill they get starship right.
>>12556748There would likely be at some point an intranet between colonists not connected to resource allocation or science where they could email each other and share files from a communal database, but it would need a substantial population to warrant such a thing
>>12556805True. I think the boosters are going to have far fewer issues with pressure testing at first, however I am worried about the 6 gorillion Raptors
>>12556811The thrust structure will without a doubt give them some trouble.
>>12556791How high can Starship go without orbit, how high suborbital and still land back on the pad?
>>12556814Probably yeah. I bet they’re going to slowly increase the Raptors at first (2 to 7 slowly), then go all out and put all 28 on for the first orbital flight. Just a guess though.
Give it to me straight fellas.Will SN9 fly tomorrow?
>>12556750I never said 3D printed metal structures are useless. I said they're mechanically inferior compared to other options, that doesn't mean useless. Aluminum for example is pretty much all around inferior to steel. We still use it, just not for applications where steel is better.
>>12556755>”Feels like I’m wearing nothing at all...”>”nothing at all...”>”nothing at all...”
>>12556829No. NET Sunday now.
>>12556766It's not like the light lag is fucking years or anything, the maximum possible time it can take is twenty minutes and when Mars is that far out usually the sun is in the way. A chain of commsats could be built though to keep Earth in contact with Mars, some features of internet usage would be limited and especially at furthest approach it would be really shitty having to wait forty minutes for Earth to send you a video but it's not like communication is impossible. If Starship is going to do what Elon says it's going to do though limited internet won't be a huge issue for very long, within a decade there will probably be enough people on Mars that Marsnet will have enough content on it's own to keep the colonists entertained without relying on Earth.
>>12556884Light lag is the least troublesome issue here. Look at the infrastructure required to communicate at interplanetary distances vs the bandwidth that currently yields. Nobody is going to build a system orders of magnitude bigger than the DSN just to keep the Martian internet updated with Earth content. I agree with your point about an internal Martian internet producing domestic entertainment fairly quickly, though.
>>12556903Imagine the kind of shit Mars Jackass could get up to with only 1/3 gee.
>>12556884Light lag does not play well with packet-switched networking, particularly TCP. You're looking at multiple weeks to download anything of substance just with how long the error-correction would take.
>>12556839stupid sexy lone survivor, I'll show him.
>>12556884That sounds like an incredibly clever way of isolating and blocking media from Earth so that musk can develop his colony without fear of corruption from the perfidious Earthlings and instead create a separate culture entirely.
>>12556911I can already see the "...and here's why that's antisemitic" headlines.
>>12556884The best communication satellite ever sent to Mars (MRO) has capacity of 6 Mbits/s. It will take a while to download all those Youtube videos each Mars colonist wants to watch.
>>12556911>Oh shit sorry, all that packet corruption and the fact that our receiver happened to be turned slightly away prevented all that globohomo propaganda about how Mars has to start paying it's fair share got lost, please resend, we're sure the RCS pack on that receiver is fixed now.
>>12556921>Muh oldspace technologyNo one cares, Elon will get some guys on it and have niggabit laser links sorted in a few years.
Could Finland ever possess a launch capacity?
>>12556928Not without low-latitude colonies.
>>12556933https://youtu.be/jWWmKgsUR6Q
>>12556928Frankly almost anybody can obtain some level of launch capacity if they'd just get their shit together and put in the work. That's the rub though, a country or company first has to have the will to do it.
>>12556907I have the image of 3 guys trying to jump Valles Marineris in a shopping cart now. Thanks.
>>12556928They used too during the hyperwar with Korea, but once the autism array was activated they became too antisocial to work with each other anymore and thus their space capabilities fell apart.
>>12556933>What is polar orbit or SSO
>>12556947egzbensibe :DDDD
>>12556933Not needed for polar orbits.
>>12556940>"Hey fellow Martians, I'm X Æ A-12, and this is an overclocked Tesla next to a big fucking ramp, welcome to Jackass!"
>>12556940You could probably do that with an SRB strapped to the back.
>>12556908I don't think anyone is retarded enough to use TCP for interplanetary internet
>>12556928*plays https://youtu.be/sKYE6nROaNM?t=96 all the way to orbit*
>>12556956kek
>>12556940Dude, 1/3rd G Rally racing. What would be the best spots on Mars for that?
>>12556338>>12556349>Arianespace
>>12556968I don’t believe in the ZOG because my gf is Israeli but seriously you can’t make this shit up
>>12556967Now that I think of it, racing of almost any sort on Mars would be interesting mainly due to the lowered air resistance and partially due to the lower gravity.
>>12556967I'd love to see an Olympus Mons hill climb like the one they do at Pike's Peak, but I imagine it'd be pretty boring due to how gradual the slope is.
>>12556985Yah, that was my thought as well. Racing around (and up and down the cliff) the perimeter of the volcano however would be much better.
>>12556724going to mars certainly makes zero sense to the average uninspired consoomer. they can't even imagine there are people unlike themselves who are perfectly willing to accept the risks and be part of literally the greatest adventure in the history of mankind
>>12556980I sympathize with you, I have a serious problem with jewesses aggressively pursuing me as well. They are all involved in the local zionist campus hillel and other jew shit, but they can't help but love the handsome goyim.That being said, judaism is a matrilineal disease so I encourage you to break that off before it's too late.
>>12556920>>12556924The future is bright and the Earth will be too when the Martian armada arrives to liberate it.
>>12557010Martian marines will train in 1g for a reason.
>>12557013Given that Martians will grow to be much taller from birth and will then be subjected to 1G or more training, we might just end up with actual space marines in both size and strength. Musk should really expand into the PMC Industry, it would give him a great excuse for why he is stockpiling mountains of weapon equipment on Mars.
why is sn45 green
4chan has a reputation of being the shithole of the internet, yet these days i feel like talking to anons is a more life-affirming experience than talking to people on normie sites like twitter and reddit. thanks for that anons!
>>12557022Depleted uranium TPS
>>12557036Do recall that this isn't an anime website. Please keep that shit off of the /sci/ - Science & Math board, thank you.
>>12557036Shitter and leddit have always been garbage, you shouldn't waste time using them at all, if you're going to spend time shitposting on the internet at least do it somewhere you might see something interesting.
>>12557050>Shitter and leddit have always been garbageIt's definitely getting worse. Reddit used to be full of atheist libertarians who, while annoying, didn't politicize every conceivable thing. Now it feels like every thread is full of unironic communists.
>>12557044>he doesn't know
>>12557060Reddit is owned and operated by China, of course it's going to turn full commie.On another note, does anyone know why snine was pushed back to sunday? Static fire seemed abnormally short as well.
>>12556230Finally. Our first volunteer for the manned Venus landing. Don't let the greenhouse effect scare you off buddy, it's totally not real. Now get on the command module/lander lovingly called Laika-1 and off you go.
>>12557070Technically he's correct since it's referred to as "climate change" now.
>>12555277yes the idea is to block the plasma in the center zone between the two mirrors and ignite fusion there. very energy expensive tho
>>12557067>Static fire seemed abnormally shortThat seems to be the most likely cause. No confirmation whatsoever from anyone who'd know, though.
>>12557067They are probably afraid of launching concrete again, they should probably build a launchpad with a fire pit beneath it one of these days.
What exactly causes the rings to bend slightly near the seams? Is there a way to mitigate this, or is it inherent to the material? IIRC, Elon said future specimens will be a lot smoother, and all the renders from SpaceX show perfectly smooth surfaces. But we're at SN15 already (picrel), and while there's been a big improvement since Mk1, the welding is still pretty noticeable and it's triggering muh autism.
>>12555518this is genuinely amazing
>>12555539>radI see what you did there>>12555555DUDE WTF DID YOU DO
>>12557092The way it bends in is probably an artifact of the welding process. The heat of the welds has to go somewhere and when it does it deforms the metal slightly. The difference between the weld metal and the sheet metal results in the bend.
>>12557092Oh shit, SN15 will have a fully tiled belly soon-ish if that's really the ship they're doing the orbital flight with. Awesome.
>>12557092Maybe it’s an issue with welding sheet metal end to end Depends on how they are doing it
>>12557092Even the Atlas II had seams between its rings. I really hope Starship keeps its welds because it gives it soul.Also the closest rocket ever flown that is similar to Starship is the Atlas III. Stainless steel first and second stage, without the weird dropped engines of the Atlas II.
>>12557092Heat deformation. Unavoidable. There is no practical way to get rid of all these visual imperfections. Get used to the industrial look, it's here to stay.
>>12557092>>12557096>>12557104>>12557111>>12557112Why did they choose stacking over a spiral weld anyway? The process seems pretty established in the industry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grRpNiC2WQM
>>12557134Spiral weld is a single failure point that can result in the entire ship unzipping, especially since such a weld would go around the hot-side of the ship. Offset rings with the end-join welds on the cool-side prevent that.
>>12557134Ultimately different segments will be made of different thickness material so you can't spiral weld it.
>>12557134Easier to start prototyping because no specialized machinery setup. Ability to vary ring thickness.
>>12554259>https://spacenews.com/spacex-and-l3harris-win-again-space-development-agency-contracts-to-build-missile-warning-satellites/HOLY SHIT BROS SPACEX IS ENTERING THE SATELLITE BUSINESS. SPACEX IS BUILDING MILITARY SATELLITES NOW. HOW CAN LOCKHEED COMPETE?
>>12557165Raytheon on suicide watch
>>12557165Let me guess. They just weld other hardware on a starlink platform? For an instant 1000% cost reduction compared to hand-crafted one-offs?
>>12557178Maybe. These are advanced sats though it seems like they’re building stuff comparable to the NRO stuff that’s launched all the time. >>12557169OldSpace bro’s...I think we were too cocky...SpaceXSama is to strong...I kneel
>>12557165>entering the satellite businessThey already have more than 10% of the active satellites in orbit.
>>12557165150-200 million seems stagely low considering LockMart was given 4 billion last year for five IR warning satellites.
>>12557194True but SpaceX’s winning strategy is to bid low 24/7. Also Raytheon got shit on and is pissed
It's a cool place, and they say it gets colder. You're bundled up now, wait 'til you get older. But the meteor men beg to differ, judging by the hole in the satellite picture. The ice we skate is getting pretty thin. The water's getting warm so you might as well swim. My world's on fire, how about yours? That's the way I like it and I'll never get bored.
>>12557206Guess I got what I deserved. Kept you waiting there too long my love. All that time without a word. Didn’t know you’d think that I’d forget. I’d regret. The special love, I had for you. My baby blue.
When will we see a water shielded rotating station that provides some spin gravity? tons of uses, reacclimatise people returning from lower G bodies, allow people on other stations a rest from zeo G fucking their skeletons. Ideal place for an orbital clinic.
>>12557224speaking of an orbital clinichttps://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2020_Phase_I_Phase_II/Astropharmacy/>This on-demand approach removes concerns about pharmaceutical degradation due to time or radiation:^)
>>12556537it absolutely could if you powered it with RD series enginesMerlin is probably good enough though, I don't know the trade for T/W vs ISP here
>>12557165>Raytheon seething and throwing a temper tantrumYou just love to see it
>>12556584the cuck shed is the stage for his recording studio, he used to have it set up in his hallway
>>12556733if I can't bring my guns I'm not going
>>12557323Cool image but cybertruk is a shit vehicle for Mars, at least for people and if you wanted an autonomous vehicle you could put something much simpler together.
>>12557066
>>12557092Stainless steel 301 is a certain type of steel (iron) (martensite?) and when you heat it, the chromium boils out and leaves you with a different phase of iron that is more dense (has less volume)this is basically impossible to overcome, it can only be minimized with stuff like electron beam welding or plasma welding, which are machine only processes and both extremely finicky bullshit that nobody sane would ever choose to use
>>12554741everybody who has tried this has failed
>>12557374small nitpick: spacex has switched to 304L stainless steel. Less brittle at cryo temps
>>12557397right, it's still the same phase of iron alloy and it still suffers the same transition when heatedI'm not actually sure if it's because of the chromium boiling off, although I do know it does that a little bit
>>12555225He would create his own independent corporate state in South Texas probably, and offer orbital strikes to the highest bidding factions in the civil war.
>>12557022why the FUCK is SN45 green
??????
>>12557409>SN45The real questing is how we're supposed to pronounce SN45
>>12557417essen fawty five
>>12557409>>12557412it's a dog whistleelon is pepe posting irl
>>12557426
>>12557022>>12557409>>12557412interesting. Pic related was posted months ago. I guess the leaker was legit.
>>12557044>animeHEEBIE JEEBIES
>>12555927its gets to 8 anon
>>12556121more like 800 people for E2E
>>12557449Even better >>12557434I’m retarded but what does this mean? Is it like bulletproof now?
>>12557454well it's green now, and everybody knows that green is the color of orks and therefore the best
>>12556693good thing he isn't going to use them
>>12557454it was posted shortly after SN8 turned one of its engines into soup, so that's what most of it is referring to. Only the final paragraph is relevant to the current discussion about the green engine bell.
>>12556985>>12556988there are plenty of big mountains on mars
STAGINGSTAGINGSTAGING>>12557488>>12557488>>12557488
>>12557490>page 9faggot
>>12557339>he used toKeyword: used toNow it's all crammed into a tiny little cupboard.
we hoppin today fr fr?
>>12557698sperg
>>12557342Bring plans for the 3D printer and make new ones
>>12556748>rely on it.Top fucking kek m8. All I do on youtube is waste time. Yeah, I get to learn about cool stuff from some science channels and keep up with science news, but it still is almost worthless on how watered down the stuff is.
>>12556791>Superheavy to reach orbit.that ain't happening m8
>>12557409>>12557412Green raptors are KINO