/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12544219
SpaceX ought to build an automated starship welding building so they can just pump out starship hulls

>>12544219
sn10 fins when
sn11 stack when

>>12544227
They already are starting to use welding robots.

>>12544227
>proonting Starships

If you appear on this list you are not welcome on this thread.

>O'neillfags
>Prooonters
>Doomers
>"Why go to space when we have problems on Earth"fags/ climate doomers
>Venusian Cloud Balloon posters
>Aerospike truthers
>SSTO truthers
>Balloon/ airplane/ Mt. Everest launch advocates
>Nuclear-only 'solar will never work on Mars' autists
>anarcho-primitivists return to monkefags
>flat earthers/ space is fake posters
>UFO/ tictac believers
>space elevator/ carbon memeotube/ launch loop mega structure tards
>lavatubers
>transhumanists/ 'bro why explore space just become a machine'fags
>don't change the planet, change the human genome posters
>terraformers
>paraterraformers
>Muh atmosphere muh Mars has no magnetic field alarmists
>Lagrange magnet juggalos clowns
>'Musk is a fraud' TSLA shorters
>Elon's shill
>oldspace boomers
>BO "slow and steady"tards
>Ironic shitposting Boing/ SLS/ Lockmart shills
>Unironic Boing/ SLS/ Lockmart cost-plus defenders
>Butthurt Russians/ Chinese nationalists
>Europoor ESA/ Arianne defenders
>4ASS posters
>"Why send people a robot will do a better job"tards
>Mars settlers
>EMDrive truthers
>Planetary protection never explore anywhere smoothbrains
>FTL or busters
>Suspended animation/ generation ship fags
>Zubrin's beggars
>jellobaby alarmists
>You have to go to the moon firsters
>/r/SpaceXMasterrace redditors
>"A private corporation shouldn't control spaceflight, we need an accountable government"shills
>Space-ancap
>Space travel is white privilege/ colonialism/ racism and SpaceX and NASA need more diversity fags
>Space Nazi
>anthropomorphized rocket anime waifu posters
>dolphin sexers
>Sea Dragon autists
>Orion redneck

nothing wrong with lava tubes

>>12544257
10/47

Richard Branson will overtake Space-X

>>12544257
You forgot
>Dumbass gatekeeping for no real reason

>>12544219
Whats the hold up on SN10s engines?

>>12544227
That’s the plan. Elon wants thousands of these things after all

>>12544285
Raptor development has been in shambles for months now

>>12544283
Kek, what even is virgin galactic doing nowadays?

>>12544283
>Space-X
Go back to /biz/, SPCE bagholder.

>>12544299

A much better question is why are all other space-x competitors so garbage compared to spacex? Did Musk sell his soul to the devil or something for sweet rocket science powers?

>>12544292
Why?

>>12544300
> <
Spaced X

>>12544302
Tom Mueller at the helm engineering-wise and Elon being a lot more liberal about burning money than competitors

Remember how in the early 2000's every now and then they'd conduct tests like this, but we'd never see anything coming out of them? Imagine all the procedures, checklists, redtape. SpaceX just welds a few sheets together and bolts a few engines beneath the welded thing, and then everyone fucking sees it happening in real time.

>>12544299
mommy

>>12544311

Maybe they're just waiting in the wings, hoping to scoop up Space-X engineers or piggyback off of all of the hard work and research. How can there be any hope of returns on investment if you're not really doing anything of note?

>>12544299
Stringing investors along for another decade of false promises while Branson sells his VG stock to try to save Virgin Atlantic. They should release some more interior cabin renders or suit designs, that's worth a few billion, right?

>>12544321
Absoluelty. they want Space - X to do r and d for them so they can take credit. frankly, oldspace will have the last laufgh

SpaceEx

>>12544302
Spacex don't worry about blowing up stuff when they're trying something new.

>>12544321
Seems like the opposite has happened as any decent and passionate engineers from old space or other competitors just join spacex because they know they are actually doing something important and relevant rather than spending decades fucking around like nasa.

The only thing spacex competitors have is money, but I don’t think that would be enough as if it was then BO or virgin galactic would be way ahead of them by now.

>>12544315
I want her to take my Virgin Galactic if you know what I mean

>>12544321
Happens all the time among tech companies, Apple engineers hired by google and so on.
The real difference is the satellite market isn't so big, hardly justifies such a war.

>>12544351

Well Starlink may change that game up big time, though it makes one wonder if there'll be any effort to create a competitor starlink. Some other company wants to put another 40,000 satellites in orbit, could really seriously clog up the sky. Or if the Chinese want to do it for their Winnie the pooh and T-square garden free internet.

>>12544257
Other than "you have to go to the moon first", pretty based.

>>12544361
The issue is that nobody else in the field is even close.

I expect to see SpaceX get like Standard Oil levels of market dominance and then quite possibly get hit by anti-trust litigation.

>>12544257
this is piss airlocker erasure

>>12544372

The government doesn't have the balls to break up Amazon or Google, it wouldn't piss in the one truly exceptional thing an American company has done in the last 30 years for something so mundane as 'total and complete monopoly'

>>12544257
But solar power is gay and megastructures are perfectly viable on planets other than earth.

If you want to build a space elevator on Mars, you can just make it out of ISRU dyneema.

>>12544361
>it makes one wonder if there'll be any effort to create a competitor starlink. Some other company wants to put another 40,000 satellites in orbit, could really seriously clog up the sky.
Amazon is working on Project Kuiper, their own megaconstellation. They have launched zero so far because they're waiting on New Glenn.

>>12544381
Yeah. Nobody actually does anti-trust any more. So what'll probably happen is that Amazon uses their assloads of moni to try and break into the space market some other way.

>>12544257
>SpaceFox posters not mentioned
based

>>12544302
He was divinely appointed to save humanity.

But seriously, he has the perfect combination of-
1) being a very effective manager/businessman
2) being very good at picking the people who work for him (this is an unbelievably rare skill)
3) being smart/well read enough to have an informed conversation with anyone who works for him
4) actually understands the urgency of the problem he's trying to solve, and acts accordingly
5) the correct amount of autism
These people are rare, but when they choose a field to focus on, they tend to revolutionize it. It was only a matter of time before spaceflight got one.

OH MY GOD, IT'S JUST A FUCKING TANK, JUST FILL IT, HOW FUCKING HARD CAN IT BE?

>>12544233
As soon as they can make and install stuff.

>>12544440

So he's basically steve jobs. Makes alot of sense.

>>12544453
I'd say more Henry Ford or Rockefeller.

He's good at marketing, but he's godlike at the actual engineering and logistics.

>>12544390
How long until new glen goes up if ever?

>>12544441
Costs a billion dollar to build a test tank

Gentlemen. I've cracked how we can beat spaceflight after several nights of intense considerations.

Delta V is fundamentally a matter of mass ratios, rather than ISP.

Ergo, the solution to get better DV is not look for exotic and impossible fuels that can annihilate planets or at least labs if you look at them wrong (I'm looking at you FOOF).
It was quite different - synthesizing material that has exceedingly low mass!

Look:
>100ton stage
>2% dry mass
>300isp
>11000 delta v

But, if we can get 0.2% drymass we get:
>18000 delta v

Going further to 0.02$ drymass we get:
>25000 delta v

By following this process we can use conventional engines and achieve nearly the speed of light, just by utilizing extremely low dry mass fractions using conventional rocket engines and fuels!

I'm fucking brilliant.

>>12544538
Exhaust velocity is the upper bound.

>>12544546
That can't be true because the merlins have exhaust velocity of ~3km/s and the upper stage accelerates well beyond that.

>>12544538
Not using my EmOrion beamed drive for infinite fuel.
Amateur.

>>12544556
I think there's some point beyond which chemical engines can't accelerate.

Could be wrong.

Regarding the Super Heavy catch idea, I figure it's either one of two outcomes
>1. the idea is nutty and impractical in practice
or
>2. the idea opens the floodgates and becomes the gold standard for rocket reusability going forward. Offloading as much as possible to GSE becomes routine.
it's going to be one or the other with very little in-between

>>12544563
I was thinking of photo rockets but... beamed propulsion can actually get you to most of C if your mass is extremely low and cross section extremely big... How do we synthesize matter with zero mass?

>>12544576
Magnet

>>12544538

Brilliant anon, I'll get to making my personal rocket out of balsa wood. This shit'll fly itself to the moon and back in no time.

>>12544441
>couple of weeks (read: it will take longer) to fix a WDR anomaly
>meanwhile SN8 turns an engine into molten soup and it back in action 12 days later

>>12544538
That's nothing, there's this device I've been working on that can make the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs

>>12544466
At this rate I'm starting to doubt it will ever happen. New Glenn made sense before Starship hopped. Now, not so much.

>>12544597
I've named it the New MillGlennium Falcon and it's totally coming out this year

Where are the spaceship nuclear fast reactors?

>>12544597
>>12544611
>t. pic related

>>12544441
wait the sls is still a thing

>>12544546
>>12544564
Isp in metric is just exhaust velocity. Once you get above ~3x exhaust velocity you start needing retarded mass ratios over 20. The vacuum Raptor exhaust velocity is 3.7km/s.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=ln%28x%29+from+0+to+50

>>12544622
Fast neutron reactors are essentially breeder reactors, and we will never have those because muh proliferation boogeyman.

Is it true that the only reason we don't yet have feasible plans on strapping rockets with nuclear-powered engines is due to the margin of error being too large in relation to the possible outcome were things to not go accordingly to plan (i.e. nuclear explosion)?

>>12544646
More like we wouldn't be able to use the engines because firstoids would complain about fallout and other nuclear powers would complain about proliferation.

Also, everybody everywhere would complain about the possibility of having a nuclear reactor fall on their house.

>>12544646
No. The only reason we don't is because of politics and bureaucracy.

>>12544575
98% chance SpaceX gives Superheavy legs for the first few years.

>>12544595
>SN8 blows out its pneumatics
>Flies 2 weeks later
>SLS Core still sitting on the stand after having warm lox

Actually in that regard, in the time since the SLS core began the green run, we’ve seen ten or so Starship prototypes be completed, with 3 having flown. Crazy.

>>12544466
>>12544598
considering how long it's been in the oven it better have flawless performance once it finally flies

>New Glenn made sense before Starship hopped. Now, not so much.
they'll probably just use it as Amazon's dedicated satellite internet constellation ferry

>>12544655
So how come China hasn't tried it yet?

>>12544665
they're well on their way. Will have advanced thorium powerplants before the west at the current rate of progress

>>12544665
Due to their naturally squinted eyes, they're only able to see half the big picture

>>12544665
Because no one else has. That's what they're waiting for.

>>12544665
China is retarded

>>12544665
Can't steal something that doesn't exist.

>>12544453
>Steve Jobs
>Actually killed himself by a fruit only diet
>Thinking he invented anything of value

>>12544671
And what about the turkish? They mustn't fear a nuclear blast, right? How come they haven't done it yet either?

>have nerdle cam in the backgroud
>silence
>suddenly an extremely loud creepy-sounding groan

>>12544672
>>12544673
>>12544677
>>12544683
Seeing this i firmly believe that China would be able to get the first crewed mission to Mars, if only they were able to come up with a rocket that would solely need unrelenting SEETHING as fuel

Needlessly insulting the honorable constituents of the People's Republic of China is the ultimate COPE

>>12544707
IT'S AWAKE OH FUCK OH FUCK

>>12544732
>China’s Falcon 9 clone wont even fly reusable until 2023
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>12544655
It can’t be that hard, all we need is a tank with metallic uranium, molten sodium and thorium hexafluoride and we’ve got our own reactor

>>12544739
>Chinkship flies with open cycle gas generator methalox engines in 2030
>still a decade ahead of anyone but SpaceX

>>12544773
Europe wants to fly their Methalox Falcon 9 by 2028

>>12544734
This photo looks like a backdrop from some 80s dystopian sci-fi series

K I N O

>>12544803
>what a chessy half assed piece of shit, they were supposed to be portraying a futuristic spaceport but its just a bunch of literal water towers set on fire

>>12544803
>>12544734

>>12544813
>Grain silo in the sun
>kino
Don't exaggerate

>>12544837
Flying grain silos are pretty kino.

>>12544664
Just as arianespace will keep flying the Ariane 6 as euros dedicated launcher
The price of the launch is irrelevant to these people

>>12544841
I give you that, post a flying grain silo next time.

https://spacenews.com/ten-companies-bid-for-nasa-small-launch-vehicle-contract/
https://www.scribd.com/document/489695613/VCLS-Demo-2-Source-Selection-Statement
Not sure if this was posted since it's a couple weeks old, but I haven't seen it.
>Momentus submitted a bid for a contract they didn't quality for
>Firefly was the only other bidder for that contract, so they won by default
>Aevum's air launch system is actually significantly more expensive than real rockets
>A bunch of other no-names got BTFO

Euros are the only ones this year that aren't doing much in spaceflight.

>>12544874
Isn't that the usual?

>>12544852
Sovereignty is important. Even if your method to access space is less efficient than the others, it's YOUR method to access space and you don't have to pay another country to put your spy sat in orbit.
UK were pissing themselves over keeping access to GNSS.

>>12544868
>reject Momentus because it wouldn't be "a primary payload"
>entire concept of Vigoride is to allow secondary payloads to go to any orbit they want
that's a bit silly

>>12544219
when the hell are we gonna get a proper space race on. Like, when are we gonna have something else to really talk about. Lets face it, anythings thats not starship is basically a toy right now.

Yuroship when?
Chinkship when?
Vodkaship when?

>>12544877
>Sovereignty is important.
This, most people don't realize that some technology is just never transfered.

Nevermind that you get an insane synergy of research, human capitol, investment, consumption of goods, etc (there's a reason jobs programs exist), but some technologies, if you dont develop them yourself you're just never getting them.
like
never
you'll have to rent it out of other nation till the end of time, so if you consider the cost of renting the tech and the indirect benefits of R&D , any sane country should aim to develop and reasearch everything, literally to have a national developed version of every last thing

>>12544257
Don’t start copy pasting in the general. If you want to be on reddit, go to reddit. You are the cancer.

Octopuses do not have any bones with the exception of their beaks. So if you are responsible and depraved enough to be literally the life support of your 8 limbed friend, you can debeak it like how you’d declaw a cat and then push your member into its feed chute.

You can then let it subsist on your baby batter.

The Octopus is smart. Very smart. It will learn that without its beak, it cannot feed on anything else but your human seed that has to be milked from you.

Every morning, you will feel your clothes slide off and a damp weight on your lower half.

The sensation creeps up on your body until most of the jiggly mass has enveloped the entire length. It will start pumping as fast as it can for it is hungry.

The animal gyrates its empty stomach and the folds of its brain rubbing on your glands, begging for nutrition.

You climax and give the marine creature’s breakfast. The pumping slows down but doesn’t stop to milk out the last few drops of its meal.

Looking into its yellow animal eyes, it looks back with a thousand-yard stare. This will be routine for all of its meals for the rest of its 3-5 years on this god forsaken planet.

>>12544880
when China is confident enough in their success rate that they start actually broadcasting their launches nationally and they catch US attention instead of the shitty phone cam footage that gets passed around here

>>12544879
>Vigoride
what the fuck is that and who the hell wouldnt think that isnt a name for a boner pill?

>>12544868
>Aevum
I'm pretty convinced that it's never gonna work. Developing a supersonic drone from scratch just to launch a rocket when you could likely purchase an entire fleet of surplus supersonic fighter aircraft for less money is just dumb. Maybe they see something I don't, but it just seems like a more development-intensive version of Pegasus.

>>12544880
Canuckship when?

when is the next spacex sn test?

>>12544803

>>12544894
it's a rideshare bus that uses plasma water thrusters to put smallsats wherever they want to go
>launch on a SSO rideshare mission
>go to whatever inclination or altitude you want
>can go to multiple orbits for delivering constellations of cubesats
it's neat

>>12544896
>$10B and 24 years to deliver Canadarm for Gateway
Literally never ever

>>12544880
>when the hell are we gonna get a proper space race on
When everyone country cease fighting each other, bring down capitalism and decide to put their resources together to organize a fair competition between each superpower. Each given the same budgets and overall same access to raw material, so as to see who can achieve the best results over various criteria like organization, technological improvement, logistics.

>>12544303
It hasn't, he's lying.

>>12544784
eh? Europe is using methalox too? So that makes for BO, SpaceX, ULA, and EU. Who else has a paper methalox rocket coming up?

>>12544852
does anyone know how Ariane 6 compares to Vulcan? Oldspace vs oldspace. Guessing Vulcan is superior but thought I'd ask anyways.

>>12544868
>Aevum's air launch system is actually significantly more expensive than real rockets
shame, it looks really cool. But come on the entire thing runs on run-of-the-mill jet fuel. Not sure why it's so expensive aside from trying to recoup dev costs.

>>12544900
but you do agrewe that its the name of a boner pill
>vigoride
what are they gonna name the next one "Energohump" ?

>>12544907
Why does it look like it's designed for stealth?

>>12544907
>how Ariane 6 compares to Vulcan
Anytime I read Vulcan I keep thinking to Ariance 5's engine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcain_(rocket_engine)

>>12544912
I do agree it sounds like a boner pill, and Momentus' entire product pipeline sounds like boner pills
>Vigoride
>Ardoride
>Fervoride
water plasma space tugs are a cool idea though

>>12544904
>When everyone country cease fighting each other, bring down capitalism and decide to put their resources together to organize a fair competition between each superpower
that makes no sense
if we achieve the star trek gay luxury communism you speak about then we would just make starships for everyone and have a few R&D projects exploring other alternatives to see if they are better.

Competition, by definition implies having each member win according to the best of their abilities.

Its like saying, "i could beat mike tyson if he was restrained with kevlar straps and i had a machinegun", well, sure, but why have a fight at all?

>>12544880
a space race is analogous to a gold rush in that space race will begin as soon as someone finds the "gold". Be it actual resources from space bodies or powerful concepts like a new ways of exploiting space for military purposes or starlink-esque applications. Once the precedent is set that "the country to do x first will have an advantage moving forward" things will get interesting. Or conversely the idea that "if other country beats us to the punch we're kinda screwed".

>>12544441
Did any of you read the tweet?? THEY'RE GONNA HOTFIRE IT DURING A "WET DRESS REHEARSAL" LMAO. NASA is getting more based by the day

>>12544933
>SpaceX can do it why can't we?
>only three RS-25s light, differential forces damage the core, Artemis 1 delayed by years

>>12544907
A few chink companies are using methalox too

>>12544924
will south africa get any kind of benefit from something musk does, will he even mention it?

Its hilarious that south africa is a country made by whites for whites in which blacks are an after thought yet still it would seem that elon musk (according to what is known) was bullied to such extent levels by the few blacks he interacted with by mistake that he doesnt even feel the need to mention his home country or have it take any role in his identity

imagine growing up on mars:
-billy, the first thing that you have to do is that IF AN ADULTS SAYS SOMETHING YOU AHVE TO OBEY, IF YOU DONT EVERYONE CAN DIE IN LESS THAN 2 SECONDS, IM YOUR MOTHER BUT I WONT HESITATE TO KILL YOU IF YOU GET IN THE WAY OF THE GROUP UNDERSTAND FUCKER????
-WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING, YOU FAILED YOUR CHORES TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU FUCK UP ON AN OXYGEN CONSERVATION TASK WE ALL DIE, YOU MAY BE ONLY 4 YEARS OLD AND I MAY BE YOUR MOTHER THE BEING THAT LOVES YOU MROE IN THE WORLD BUT ILL BE DAMNED IF I WONT SPANK YOU UNTIL YOU BLEED NEXT TIME YOU FUCK UP
-WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK WHERE YOU GUYS DOING, WERE YOU ACTUALLY TRYING TO KISS YOUR SCHOOLMATE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUCK WOULD HAPPEN IF YOUO GET HER PREGNANT? *takes your pants down and puts a knife to your penis* *gets it real close and harms the suirface so that a little bit of blood comes out* I WILL FUCKING CUT YOUR COCK OFF IF YOU SCREW UP AGAIN
*book flies in into little anons head knocking him out of the chair, he gets up with his eye noticeably bruised*(cont)

>>12544950
cont)

VIDEOGAMES? YOU WERE PLAYING VIDEOGAMES, YOUR EXAM IS TOMORROW, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU FAIL? DO YOU KNOW HOW BADLY WE NEED GOOD ENGINEERS? YOULL GET SENT BACK TO EARTH OR WORSE I HATE THE FUCKING DAY I GAVE BIRTH TO YOU, ALL OF YOUR BROTHERS ARE MORE CAPABLE PAY ATTENTION YOU SHIT

(years of quietly obeying orders while trying not to pay attention to horrible nightmares)
-ok anon, im in my deathbed now... i just wnat you to know that even tough i was a tough mother it was for your good but i want you to know one thing... i do want to say something to you...
anon...
im sorry...
im sorry...
IM SORRY YOU CAME OUT OF ME YOUR BROTHERS TEN TIMES BETTER I SHOULD HAVE ABORTED YOU WHEN I HAD THE...

*loud clank interrupts her as she gets clobbered in the head with a portable air filter by his own son, who proceed to rape the wound then after cumming inside it sticks his finger in it and savors it
-mmm, smells like payback, fuck you mom, why the fuck did you had to leave earth, i had sex only once with a fucking test tube, and on earth fucking weed grows up from the floor bitches will suck your dick for only a few bucks, fucking water comes down from the skies, i didnt ask for this.
*he then proceeds to grab a scalpel from the medkit that the doctor who was taking care of her left behinds and very meticulously, like the good technician he was raised to be, flawlessly removes the skin from his dead mother. He then proceeds to fancy it into a suit, wears it and walks out of the room. Throughout his life he became a model tehcnician and was granted great access to the life support machines, it was late in the cycle, most people were asleep and he was supposed to be on call.
by the time a guy spoted him in the security cams it was too late to do anything, he had locked himself in and using his great skills very easily modified the main life support node to vent all oxygen into the martina "atmosphere".
-finally, a bit of rest...

>>12544950
>implying you can grow up on Mars
>implying jello babies

>>12544913
It looks like it cribbed off of Boeing's loyal wingman concept.

>>12544944
South Africa contributed Elon's understanding of white flight and racial realism. Starship Presentations make a lot more sense when you realize the "unrecoverable catastrophe that could set us back permanently" is niggers.

>>12544955
not even the best looking loyal wingman desu

>>12544959
>Starship Presentations make a lot more sense when you realize the "unrecoverable catastrophe that could set us back permanently" is niggers.
Yep. Anything else we can recover from. Genetic damage not so much.

>>12544944
probably not. It seems to be exactly his experience with south africa that has made him so American in his ideologies today.

>>12544965
Agreed. Plus, Kratos isn't Bo*ing, so the product has a chance of working as advertised.

>>12544944
I’m pretty sure Musk got knocked out by a black guy as a kid. Between that and an abusive father, I’m pretty certain Musk is ready to radiate the whole continent of Africa to death

>>12544953
>>12544950
based depiction of a mars colony, i can't believe retards think it will be a "libertarian paradise". By necesity it will be so restrictive and authoritarian that gulag will look like summer camp

>>12544942
it's kinda nuts how quickly methalox has taken off. Wonder if it's specifically because they're all following SpaceX

>>12544933
someone at the top is getting extremely impatient.

>>12544933
>We’ll do it live, FUCK IT

>>12544976
>I’m pretty sure Musk got knocked out by a black guy as a kid
like? raped and came inside unprotected?
>>12544976
>abusive father
ahh but he was white, how does that make any sense?

>>12544933
>NASA is getting more based by the day
nasa is like an old grandpa trying to live his dream of visiting all countries.
its endearing at first until you realize hes holding you at gunpoint to do it, is shitty at it and is using your sons college fund to pay for it

>>12544895
Yea just buy some old MIG’s for under 50 million plus spare parts

>>12544898
obligatory

>>12544950
Pretty sure Mars education program for children won't allow for that sort of growth in children. Bad parenting is a sign of low IQ. With low IQ, you wont make it on Mars, so its an impossible scenario.

>>12544895
I have a gut feeling that it's a development scam of some kind.

>>12544979
Methalox was a Zubrin idea. Well I mean unless you want to count that one soviet engine they abandoned.

>inb4 it slips again to late 2022

>>12545003
Musk said he studied plenty of soviet engines enough to find a pathforward from the soviet methalox proof of concept.

>>12544976
He got bullied alot in school and 'beaten half to death' at least once. He never specified race but the only thing that makes me thing it wasn't blacks was his parents wealth.

South Africa is still pretty old school colonial. Let alone when Musk was a boy. I'm sure he went to some pretty posh private schools that where all white. I'd be REALLY surprise if he didn't.

>>12544998
that's not bad parenting at all, he was a pussy, there's no place for pussies on mars, if you wannt twist reality to think that pussies like you would be accepted dream on

>>12544922
It's impossible to have a real competition in a system where someone already have the lead, monstrous economic & technological advantage over others and they don't have even the same goals.
Our prime example of space race, the Cold War, was still unbalanced, had different starting line and let to an obvious winner, never challenged ever again until came some private investor operating with no financial responsibility, subsidies and serious luck.

As for "no one will do another launcher if there's one already" a project can fail, including Starship. If no one had spent money to encourage other project than SLS, SpaceX wouldn't have survived.

Also I wasn't thinking to communism at all, there's plenty of different system that preserve nationality while working together, you guys really need new strawman.

>>12545004
A greased cat thrown in an ice rink would slip less than this POS

>>12545006
Wait stop! The soviets considered using methalox?

>>12545008
Musk is a stuttering nerd
Ofc he got his beatings

>>12545015
Дa.

>>12545000
It's set up in Huntsville and has like a billion in DOD funding, so they're developing something that's at least minimally interesting to the government. I could see some interest in the potential of a highly flexible, rapid response orbital launch platform. It's the same reason Astra got funding.

>>12545020
That's the cutest fucking vernier I've ever seen

>>12544907
>how Ariane 6 compares to Vulcan
Vulcan has bigger capacity, Ariane 6 is somewhat cheaper per launch and also in kg/to orbit (supposedly)
but Ariane 6 isn't really their main project anymore
They already welded a hopper to test out

>>12545011
>It's impossible to have a real competition in a system where someone already have the lead, monstrous economic & technological advantage
but if they have that lead is because they are winning a competition in the first place

the worst purpose of a competition is to find out whos best without outside intervention. If theres outside intervention then just name whoever you want as winner, youll make him winner by helping him more than the other guy.

makes no sense
either win or go home commie boy, no place for anything else in the objective reality that decides which jobs you get and which girls you fuck, always have been like that, only that losers didnt use to have hte balls to blame winners for their own pathetic mistakes

>>12545023
The Soviets had a thing for them

Zoomer here. Everyday I thank the good lord for SpaceX, the only thing in this dumpster fire of a society that gives me hope. How did all you boomers and other old fags not rope over the absolute hopelessness of the situation before SpaceX?

>>12545011
>there's plenty of different system that preserve nationality while working together
-moooooom, the bad guy says communism is bad
-son, just describe communism and then say you arent actually talking about communism, as a matter of fact you can just say youre talkinga bout "the one that isnt communism" without ever saying objectively what youre talking about, because obviously we dont interact with the world of real life work, ethics, morality and production, if we did we would be capitalists honey, but let them manufacture all the goods and if we say the correct lies we can enjoy the benefit without the sacrifice

>>12545026
he looks like a fucking faverge egg style artisan, look at how damn happy he is

>>12545027
In all honesty it was very hard and the 2017 SpaceX annual speech event did change my life.

Especially growing up when every toy shop had multiple Space Shuttles and the Space Shuttle was the embodiment of our bright future.

>>12545027
People had other things to do outside. Now everyone's indoors.

>>12545027
there's always been cool stuff going on like Lockheed Skunkworks and there was no frame of reference for how much better it could be. It was easy to be hopefully for the big designs that in retrospect were never going to come to light or were dead on arrival for political reasons because frankly we didn't know any better.

>>12544950
>>12544953
>>12544978
I sure can't wait to hear the story of the Libertarian Mars Cowboy as he do justice against the guy who sold him a defective battery that almost killed him the other day.
He come and grab his trusty revolver with his big glove and kill the guy in the back. But then he discover that despite that one flawed battery 3 people were happy with the man's work and vow to take revenge.
The Libertarian Mars Cowboy kill all 3 clearly communist attackers because he already had his gun out.
As he go back to his car he realize there's a hole in his suit, just out of his reach.
There's no pressurized zone he can access in time and he killed all the peoples who could have helped him.
So he die.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacelaw.php

>>12545027
>the only thing in this dumpster fire of a society that gives me hope.

You can get money really easy if you study programing

With money you can be physically fit like a literal comic book super hero, funny, smart, educated(that is if you have a bit of self discipline), have access to incredibly comfortable clothes, a comfortable environment, all entertainment hobbies and interest you could think off, etc

in those conditions its hilariously easy to get all kinds of girls you can, all kinds off friend. you can do whatever you want, this is literal paradise for anyone who has a shred of discipline.

Literally anyone can do it?, even a vagrant (if he had even a tiny tiny shred of self discipline which he hasnt hence why hes a vagrant) could learn to program, get money, get fit and have a life so luxuriously enjoyable a medieval king would not dare dream of

, if all you have going for is looking at another mans achievements via tv i pity your existence

>>12545027
If it makes you feel better I was born in 98’ and grew up assuming the shuttle was peak spaceflight. I always assumed space was indeed difficult and had to be expensive. I laughed at spacex when dragonfly blew up. I was impressed by the first F9 landing, but my jaw really dropped to the floor during that FH test. I think seeing those fairings open to a tesla, and seeing two boosters land at once literally converted me spiritually. First time I ever screamed during a launch stream lmao. From that day on I knew spacex was ready to BTFO the others, who I began calling oldspace. It’s only been uphill since then for Elon

>>12545046
>First time I ever screamed during a launch stream lmao.
yeah, i think that in that time we were all cringey soistraunaut opening our mouths wide and claiming to fucking love science

>>12544939
Nope, Artemis 2 SLS is already in production. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis

>>12545046
Yeah, I'm about the same age as you, and had a pretty similar experience. I was really optimistic about the Ares program, and extremely pissed when it got canned, but seeing a Falcon land for the first time blew my mind. Seeing the first landing on the drone ship convinced me that it wasn't just a gimmick.

>>12544906
Cope

>>12545052
>ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis
>as soon as we get SLS1 off the test stand at Stennis

>>12545025
If your idea of competition is just "whoever stand last" you are not going to get fruitful results. Nuking the competitors and building a shitty rocket will not improve your situation.
Without outside intervention (through subsidies) SpaceX would have gone bankrupt.

Again, that's not your red menace strawnman, it how antitrust system an international dispute work, just applied on a world scale with separate, sovereign countries, actually respecting each others instead of shooting in their legs to win the race.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law

In Startrek utopia land you'd have so much money to spend you'd have dozen competing Starship while simultaneously having competition over the future moonbase, marsbase and space colony design respectively.

>>12545066
Methalox plumes are really pretty.

>>12545046
>and seeing two boosters land at once.
Yea that was the birth of the 21st century right in that moment. That and Starhoppers hops will never get old for me.

>>12545056
>>12545046
I couldn't help but turn a bit into Everyday Astronaut during his coverage of SN8's launch. I was watching it with a fellowspace nerd on my phone, on a scissorlift on the roof of an office building, and we were glued to the screen.
It's the perfect blend of amazing visuals because it looks so cool, and the visceral, almost spiritual hope it gives me for the future of humanity. Millenials haven't had much to look forwars to, and SpaceX is one of the very few organizations that actually makes me glad to be alive, and look forward to the future. Almost everything else is depressing.
I think this is part of the reason why people like Musk so much. I know he can be an asshole and he's hard to work for, but the things that have happened because of him are literally the best things that are happening anywhere right now.

>>12545045
Dude the programming bubble has already popped.
Now all the monies in rent seeking.

>>12545067
>If your idea of competition is just "whoever stand last" you are not going to get fruitful results.

my idea, or your idea doesnt matter
this is not your fruity shitty non engineering college inw hich you go around saying " you can now nuthing" and think you have any value as a human being for it.

competition is a fact of life, as hard as a punch in the face you receive when i take away your girl and you sleep alone and sad and i sleep content and with your girls (amongs others) cock wraped around my lips.

its an objective fact of life

who do you think make sure ww1 ww2 or the cold war was fair? aka, the most increidbly by definition advanced competition that sparked the most advancements of humanities.

competition is a human fact of life, im doing you a favour just explaining it to you, normally id just take whatever i need from a guy 10000000 times lower in the social hierarchy than me as you are, but , to put it in terms your non competitive brain could understand, its a 4d chess flex to show that i can explain to you the strategy needed to beat me and even then you couldnrt even come close to even getting to a tie even if i had 1283931289018290381290312% disadvantage and you had 18293012893081902389120389120309 adevantagesous

>>12544219
SLS doesn’t even have engine out capability. The Shuttle could lose 2 engines and still make it to orbit late in the flight, but if the SLS loses one engine, the mission is aborted.

Holy f u c k

>>12545008
>'beaten half to death'
He was beaten unconscious and thrown down a flight of stairs. He had to spend a few days an a hospital because of that.

>>12544895
>aevum bragging about building a reusable plane on their website

Yikes

>>12545021
That’s not a billion in funding, it’s just the ability to compete for launches
Which they don’t get the money for without actually launching..

Looks like they are contracted in a 5 million dollar launch later this year that I assume will be delayed
Looks like a scam, haven’t even flown their plane yet

>>12545092
anon you lost a whole engine?? i better not go up there and find it

>>12545092
RS25 has never failed

>>12545079
kek I thought this was the case in 2009 and now all my IT friends actually are in gainful employment. Oops.

>>12545093
Prolly just fainted and fell
Autists lie about that shit all the time

>>12545093
What race were the attackers

>>12545082
Its like you recorded a retarded hobos drunken rantings and put them on a record, then every time you wanted to make a post you put the needle down in a random spot then transcribed what you heard.

>>12544959
Where is the proof that Elon is a racist? The only racist SpaceX crowd I've ever seen is here.

>>12545097
>That’s not a billion in funding, it’s just the ability to compete for launches
>Which they don’t get the money for without actually launching..
Man, I wonder why they didn't make that clear in their press release lmao.

>>12545110
I don't know, they were too dark to see well.

>>12545113
>you put the needle down in a random spot
damn grandpa, what a way of advertising to the world that youre an obsolete human being just waiting to be put into its wooden box so that it doesnt waste oxygen anymore

>>12545020
This makes me more sad at the state of Roscosmos. All those great engine ideas, gone to waste.

>>12545110
nigger bears live in the most plentiful weathers, steal shit and kill people all the time

white bears live in the most hostile climates yet subsist perfectly without help of anyone or even coming near humans

>>12545066
what was up with that bit of fire on the engine?

>>12545069
absolutely. Why is it purple/blue, though?

>>12545115
Prolly the same reason you don’t see numbers or launch dates on their website

>>12545082
Whatever you think, that was still the only relevant answer to a retard whining about the lack of a space race in a world were the only race that happened was biased.
Either you create a homoglobo world that organize those competition, or you become Elon's or China's bitch after they murder the competition and no one is left

>>12545027
I am pretty much the same as this >>12545046 guy except I'm not a zoomer (born '92) and I'm still somewhat skeptical of SpaceX. They generally deliver but some stuff is hype.

>>12545121
It's like you dabbed your fidget spinner onto the fortnite and yeeted the floss dance to the tide pods

>>12545139
nice try granps, made me laugh tough , id make a case to the eugenics comitee to keep you as a jester for a couple more years

Did we get a reply from Elon?

>>12545105
109% though

Is everyone here a racist? Sucks that my only options for discussing spaceflight are either reddit soi or 4chan nazis

>>12545143
Learn to capitalize, you little shit.

>>12544219

THREADLY REMINDER THAT MODERN ROCKETY IS ARCHAIC TECNOLOGY AND WE WILL BE EXTINGUISHED BY A NATURAL CALAMITY BEFORE WE REACH ANY MEANINGFUL SUSTAINABLE COLONY IF WE RELY ON IT.

>>12545145
youre spamming it in the wrong place.

like, even if he does see it elsewehre he might be really hesitant to recognize he got it from here if he knew it came from a site that was once famous for having problems with pedophilia and bully suicides, amongst other things.

but if you spam it on reddit/twitter, the home of yas queen ya go girl blm transgendercommulibsm thats another thing entirely.

>>12545153
The real question is how come you still aren't racist.

>>12545027
I’m a zoomer (‘02) and I fell for the “Space is Hard” meme from an early age. I remember hating SpaceX BECAUSE they were private because I had this weird belief that only governments should go to space. I remember hating the Falcon 9 because I thought it was ugly.

I started looking into SpaceX in 2015 and reading a bunch of speculation about their “MCT” rocket (this was before the ITS presentation in 2016). I saw videos of the Falcon 9 crashing into the drone ship before and I thought nothing of it.

Anyhow I saw the OG2 landing and thought nothing of it. I followed the SES-9 launch because I’d never seen a rocket webcast live before and I was actually super engaged in it. The real turning point was watching CRS-8 land on the droneship, which affected me on a spiritual level. From then on, I watched the next twenty or so launches live no matter how late at night they were.

>>12545156
bauhaus was old when you were born, not only old but ignorant as well

>>12545153
I’m not racist my wife is Paki.

>>12545129
Their proximity to the Redstone Arsenal might get them enough local connections to win some contracts, but they're very obviously trying to court investors as well.

>>12545153
No, but racists tend to be the most loud and annoying. Ignore them.

>>12545153
nah dont worry, sexually frustrated (aka right wing) extremists are over represented here, janies tolerate them, they dont tolerate much left speech.

no one gives a shit, the vibe here is to autistically speak about rockets in a literally morall-less way. As long as its rocket-y or space-y doenst matter what you use the rocket for

>>12545153
Go back

>>12545145
Late to the game on the whole catching super heavy thing, did /sfg/ come up with that?

Because I’m impressed if that’s the case...

>>12545175
I saw it posted on reddit before it ended up here, so probably not. Could be the same guy, though, as there's definitely some overlap.

>>12545179
There’s a huge overlap between redditors and SFGposters. Not a bad thing though until you have some fag unironically shilling Biden/Whitey on the Moon/BLM

>>12545121
You don't have to be old to know what a record is, you just have to not be a retard.

>>12545179
>>12545175
>>12545145
post a pic of that sheet of paper covered in cum while showing us your genitals (if youre female you still have to do it, get someone else to supply the cum) , also on the same picture your mother has to be in it dressed (only from the waist up) as a venecian style harlequin clown (while totally naked from waist down) and pointing to a TV with todays date, only way we can be sure...

a timestaped picture of the same drawing might work too

>>12545185
>You don't have to be old to know what a record is
i know what it is, thats how i identified you, im an educated xxi century person gramps, i know more from the time you were alive than you, i also known about many many other times, and as such i could pick any metaphor from any time, until i found the most adequate.

but since you used a shitty metaphor that made no sense and exposed you as a retard i conclude that its the only reference you have in your limited and pathetic lifetime.

jk gramps dont have a seizure about it were all just joking around here

>>12545153
All whites a racist and everyone here is white, so...

>>12545153
>Is everyone here a racist?
no but please dont take the discussion there or it will end in a shitstorm that will be extremely detrimental to any relevant discussion

>>12545045
The whole rant about programming is very wrong, but the idea of pitying someone for only living because of someone else’s achievement is a good statement

>>12545179
The only thing worse than a redditor is a 4dditor. You have to go back.

>>12545200
>everyone here is white
what do you base this on lol? I could be a black tranny with jewish ancestry for all you know

>>12545157
>civilization comes to an abrupt end
>one of the few humans that survived the incredibly high tech catastrophe that vaporized most remains of civilization saw a rocket launch before
>he desperately tried to teach everything to his children who had a small degree of mental retardation due to the catastrophe
>as generations past all that remains of it is a gesture of a hand going up while the other hands simulates the exhaust going out
>gets heavily distorted as a deity attached to a lot of other things
>time passes, other deities get more strenght, that one is almost forgottone
>chinaman sees that gesture 8000 years ago, remembers burning powder and thinks hard
>invents fireworks
>that results in modern fireworks in the year 1000
>that results in gunpowder weapons in the 1500
>modern spaceflight theorized at the end of XIX century
>we get to today, the technology that brings the catastrophe is too powerful, becomes available to fast to be used responsible
>civilization comes to an abrupt end
>it all starts over again

>>12545210
>The whole rant about programming is very wrong
It's not, im almost clinically retard and with a tiny bit of effrot i bought mi house, car travelled the world and had a luxurious life with just a couple of years of training.

theres really no excuse in this world

effort = results
no results = no effort.

this is truly a meritocracty as it had never been before

>>12545188
yeah, what this guy said

>>12545222
Post bank account larper.

Meanwhile on the Gainz Station 13 spaceflight general . . .

>>12545230
yeah, it would be very sane for me to do that. Its delicious to know i got to you tough.

>>12545235
You just have to post the balance, not your account number, retard

>>12545235
Ok

Does Elon have any plans for beamed propulsion? Seems like the only way forward for spaceflight if nuclear is too dangerous.

>>12545233
>CHAD train in station spinning to have 100 Gravity because planets are for the weak

>>12545240
You do it first, in a way we can be sure is yours while simultaneously not implying a security risk for yours.

god damn feels so good to educate smug retards, they are either compelled to suck my dick in thankness or go to their graves knowing they are morally wrong

Turksat launch Wednesday

>>12545233
Manlet station.

>>12545244
The goal is Mars. Chemical is perfectly fine for that. No need to spend gorillions of dollars developing new propulsion technology.

>>12545244
>nuclear is too dangerous
>terrawat death rays in space are not

The truth is neither are. And neither will be built because of a certain group.

>>12545257
Except it's not. travel times are still six months of radiation.

>>12544154
most of the posters are old shit from the shuttle days lmao
unfortunately all the millenials and zoomers populating rocket science these days post on discords instead so RIP NSF

>>12545268
How horrifying. Better go with the longer, slower journey instead.

>>12545268
>muh radiation
Why do retards keep blowing this way out of proportion?

>>12545276
beamed can't be faster? why is it shilled for interstellar then?

>>12545268
And you aren't going to get outside of the hohhman transfer orbits without 9000 niggawatt laser arrays in orbit around both planets which won't happen because it would be ball bustingly expensive and the government would tell you to get fucked.

>>12545244
>Does Elon have any plans for beamed propulsion?
They could even apply the same technologies being developed for starlink and make a constelation of pushing sats. Taht would be sci fi as hell, a layer of propulsion sats just above the starlinks, they dont pollute cause of their low orbits, you have redundancy, ability to push any craft no matter where is it regarding earth and a shitload of delta v on your orbiting crafts

>>12545281
You are literally stuck in a tincan flying through space chernobyl for years.

>>12545170
I don’t see how they can possibly make enough money to build and operate a supersonic aircraft
On top of their presumably solid rocket booster ??

>>12545288
Nice hyperbole

>>12545281
why do retards keep sweeping it under the carpet? overstated or not it's still a problem that needs to be addressed and SpaceX hasn't done so at all.

>>12545274
Is this the reason for them trying to emulate EDA with their livestreams?

>>12545284
It's shilled for interstellar because you don't have to store any fuel on the interstellar vehicle. You know, because the beam.

>>12545293
Because studies have been done and its a literal nothingburger that increases your chance of cancer by a few percent.

>>12545288
A tincan that blocks nearly all of it. Are you scared of standing next to microwaves?

>>12545293
There's nothing to sweep under the rug. If you think SpaceX is spending all this time and money on a spacecraft to send people to Mars only for it to kill the crew from an easily preventable problem you have brain damage

>>12545284
Because interstellar assumes a giant solar system wide civilisation that has enough resources that the equivalent of today's entire planetary output can be accomplished with a gofundme.

>>12545284
Desperation, basically. The assumption nuclear propulsion will not work or will not be allowed to be built on ethical grounds while assuming a literal death star in solar orbit will be.

>>12545293
if they are solving the 98 out of 100 hardest problems of space flight, they are justified in expecting that someone will help with the remaining other 2 comparatively much easier ones

>>12545293
They have - drastic reduction in flight time. From years to months.

>>12545128
>Why is it purple/blue
Temperature as well as how ridiculously clean it runs. The fiery bits were most likely a bit of purge valve fuckery that they haven't quite worked out yet. Despite all the hype, it's still an engine in development.

>>12545299
this, its mostly an excuse to justify failures in spaceflight.

Like, ohhh no, our space technology isnt so bad... interplanetary travel is impossible anyway, cause of uh.. radiation!yeah thats it

>>12544652
>firstoids
What is a firstoid?

omg a nuclear reactor just flew over my house

>>12545288
>literally
>stuck
no, you could vent yourself
>in a tin can
the can is made of steel, not tin
>flying
coasting
>through space
literally the only literally correct thing you said
>chernobyl
chernobyl is literally safe now
>for years
literally months

>>12545319
People who spout "Earth first"?

>>12545200
Actually I’m Filipino lol. I want to be the first flip in space.

>>12544858
so, you agree that flying grain silos are beautiful to behold
now, we are invoking the image of flying grain silos without actually posting flying grain silos, by showing the grain silos on the ground, reaching for the sky, yearning to fly

>>12545337
We call them niggers 'round here. Careful with their owners, they might look harmless but don't underestimate their sense of smell.

>go to Mars
>build space elevator using high molecular weight polyethylene from Martian materials
>build giant laser on top
>launch solar sails anywhere and everywhere using dirt cheap mains power instead of expensive ISRU fuel
>bootstrap to eventual interstellar probes

r8

>>12545153
Hard not to be.

>>12545153
If you insist on dragging the discussion in that direction, then yes, a lot of people will turn racist to get your thread derailing ass to never come back here.
Welcome to the fucking internet, now fuck off.

>>12545128
Kerosene is red/yellow because of carbon
Hydrogen is blue because of hydrogen
Methane is purple because it's both

What does everyone think of this diagram? Would it make more sense for Hydrolox tugs to be used in cislunar space because of lunar ISRU?

Like have a Starship launch an ACES stage into LEO which refuels a lunar transfer vehicle which flies all the way out to the moon and lands, before filling its tanks up and returning back to LEO.

>>12545394
>What does everyone think of this diagram?
Needs more robots and anime tiddies.

>>12545295
actually I think it's the PHAT DOSH from all the rocket SIMPS

>>12545394
Apart from the memes, a hydrolox tug could easily work. Issues with boil-off wouldn't be much during the flight time of the tugs. The specific impulse is even high enough to allow for a round-trip from the lunar propellant depot and back with a moderate mass ratio. ISRU hydrolox will probably be incredibly cheap which could offset some of the disadvantages of using it.

>>12545394
Mass drivers are not real

>>12545305
would you rather let your grumpy asshole neighbor have a Nuclear Salt Water Rocket or a niggawatt level PROCSIMA beam

>>12545361
the gun only works during the day

> Asked if she thinks Starship will reach orbit in 2021, Shotwell said, "I'm voting yes."
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/gwynne-shotwell-talks-about-selling-flight-proven-rockets-starship/

>>12545426
>"We don't do it to embarrass people, but we certainly are happy to provide examples on how industries and companies can do better," Shotwell said. "We're not here to be negative—we're here to provide some objective evidence and some truths that you can do better in this industry, and this industry deserves to be better."
based

>>12545426
that's a way of saying elon musk has threatened her of gently anally raping her with a sparsely lubed dildo which will result in her agresively anally raping her subordinates with an unlubed rusty iron dildo and so on all the way to the lowest levels if they dont get the deadline right

>>12545435
>Shotwell will never lovingly rape you with her strapon while you call her mommy and suck on her big squishy milkbags

>>12544979
>Wonder if it's specifically because they're all following SpaceX
An American or Russian rocket does something cool and the world scrambles to catch up. Same story since 1957. Most people were using RP-1/LOX because NASA did, or hydrolox+solids because NASA did.

>>12544895
The whole point of designing the drone is they want it unmanned so they can light the rocket really, really close to the carrier to minimize dV losses without needing pilots to sign suicide waivers.

>>12545483
I believe Starship can lift a fully fueled Electron into orbit actually
like, not as a joke
anyway, Venus Sample Return mission

>>12545488
>Most people were using RP-1/LOX because NASA did
The Semyorka used kerosene long before NASA put jack shit into orbit.

>FAA delays Momentus license for Vigoride launch, stock down 10% after hours
We should petition to abolish the FAA

>>12545491
>fully fueled Electron
>12.5t

>>12545503
dude, the stock is down, it's time to buy

>>12545507
yeah you need plenty of margin for the rest of the rockoon to keep your Starship from falling into hell and the launch infrastructure and such

>>12545491
I'm picturing something like SN30 going halfway to orbit and spitting out a whole goddamn Electron before landing back at Boca Chica, without even using Superheavy

>>12545519
I do not believe that the Electron first stage can do air-start
I should sketch out this Venus Sample Return concept

>>12545508
true, but still, fuck the FAA

>>12545521
What does this mean? It looks the same to me

>>12545525
What would stop it from doing that?

>>12545525
>I do not believe that the Electron first stage can do air-start
But why? We know the vacuum Rutherford can air-light.

>>12545533
They've shortened the branching plumbing from the CH4 line by significantly extending the main and seemingly merging it with the thrust plate.

>>12545533
looks like methane pipes are stretched to go below oxygen pipes, maybe makes a better path to avoid fuel starvation and engine-rich exhaust?

>>12545545
they should run the methane line outside of the LOx tank to reduce tank penetrations

>>12545426
>"We have signed deals where we can pick whether it's a Falcon or a Starship," she said.
>If there are technical problems with Starship, and it's late, Shotwell said the company will be able to fall back on the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy vehicles.
That's pretty cool. They probably drop the price alot if you're willing to take an early Starship flight. I wonder how many payloads they already have lined up for Starship? Even suborbital shitshows tend to have payloads riding on them, so I imagine that Starship has at least some waiting.

>>12544732
Fuck off pinko

>>12545550
>suborbital shitshows
whatever happened to EXOS and Sarge, they were the real shit

>>12545247
Are all programmers this delusional? I thought jeff goldblum’s character from independence day was just an exaggeration

is the Orion drive the only one that gets better ISP at higher atmospheric pressure
by which I mean, Orion is the perfect device to colonise the venusian surface

>>12545046
>>12545056
Are you guys me? Though I wasn't as hard on spacex. Except before the first FH launch I thought it was the stupidest thing for a car as mass simulator. Then after watching the stream my opinion completely flipped. As much as I like oldspace for what they have accomplished they are just not keeping up the pace we should be having.

>>12545549
Looks like they're already going in that direction, this change reduces tank penetrations from eight down to six. installation of the line would probably be easier if it were external and you could probably fuse the smaller pipes and power cables and shit into it too in a nice clean package.

>>12545172
this

>>12545565
me on Spacex before Falcon Heavy: cool, rocket go boom, nice
me on Falcon Heavy: car in space, dank, woo super heavy lift boys
me on Spacex after Falcon Heavy: cool, rocket go woosh, nice

>>12545555
It's an exaggeration of a real phenomenon, just like this larping faggot ITT. Programmers and sysadmins do have a tendency to talk ourselves up and be dismissive of concerns, but that's mostly borne out of years of dealing with whiteout-on-monitor tier retards who won't listen to anything else. Thankfully those days are mostly behind us since the truly inept now have mobile devices to drool on rather than trusting them with a real computer.

>>12545521
That puck better not shuck

>>12545593
>Chuck's Puck and Suck
>Formerly Sneed's

Anyone one know some secret sauce about firefly? They actually look pretty cool, have plans beyond smallsats and are the biggest "small sat" launcher

>>12545612
They're huge nerds. Their engine is called Reaver for a reason.

>>12545612
Unless they have plans that involve something cheaper than Starship, or some kind of in-space transport, they're dead already

>>12545628
not as big of nerds as Ursa Major Technologies, who have named their staged combustion BE-3U competitor after Samus Aran

>>12545601
>>12545593
>Chucks shuck and puck

>>12545426
>SpaceX is building Starship vehicles at a rate of greater than one per month and will look to accelerate that pace in 2021. The scale of the project, and rate at which the company is building these massive rockets, is unprecedented in the space industry.

>"We don't do it to embarrass people, but we certainly are happy to provide examples on how industries and companies can do better," Shotwell said.
>..."we're here to provide some objective evidence and some truths that you can do better in this industry, and this industry deserves to be better."
Shotwell sweetly shit-talking oldspace

>>12545483
Does anyone have video or transcript from when Gwynne called for the demise of smallsat launchers? All I have is this tweet.
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1171441833903214592
>Flaw in a question on the number of small launchers: choices are “at least 2”, “at least 5”, “less than 10”, “more than 10.” Shotwell says she picked “less than 10” since it was the only option that included zero. #WSBW

>>12545690
Based. I can see smallsat launchers being used for niche things like government payloads and small spysats but I feel like cramming 30-40 different 100 kilogram or less payloads onto one vehicle is the future

>>12545704
How long until we have a rideshare mission carrying a rideshare mission carrying a rideshare mission? Transporter 1 goes two levels deep, I want to see three.

>>12545491
>>12545519
I do honestly wonder if they're going to make starship an effective 3 stage vehicle at some point. Just tie the payload to a stumpy kickstage. Could probably cram a good amount of delta V in it.

>>12545158
Yeah but the thing is I don’t use that faggot website so maybe you should do it instead :^)

>>12545707
it's not really worth it if you've got hundreds of Starships just hanging around waiting to launch and deliver fuel to orbit

>>12545706
Expect 12U cubesats hosting different organization’s science experiments in each cube, all the while being a ride share on a transporter flight

>>12545716
It's still totally worth it for outer planet probes since you can either get there in less time or carry a big fat deceleration stage to be an orbiter instead of a flyby.

>>12545503
>>12545530
did the FAA give a reason?

>>12545724
ah yes that's true, if you're already expendable then a third stage makes sense

>>12545726
>we require more time to review your application, sorry ;)
Literally the DMV of space

>>12545727
Starships are dirt cheap. Raptors cost $2 Million apiece and the steel is $3/kilogram.

>>12545733
>Starship Centaur isn't economically viable because two RL-10s cost more than one Starship

>>12545738
Starship-Centaur is the biggest fucking meme and I so desperately want to see it

>>12545738
That can't possibly be right. At that rate it's literally cheaper to retank a cargo Starship and fly it expendable to the outer system than to use LH2 for anything but nuclear propellant.

>>12545727
>>12545724
>>12545733
would be fun to see how fast you could throw something out of LEO with starship

>>12545732
>humanity's progress amongst the stars dictated by corrupt bureaucrats
honest to god makes me seethe

>>12545745
>highly elliptical Earth orbit
>L2 to 500km Oberth kick with a fully fueled expendable Starship
That might actually get up to 50km/s. Holy balls.

>>12545741
Quick google search says the unit price for an RL-10 is $17M USD. So 2 RL-10s is likely >2x the price of an entire complete SS/SH stack.

>>12545738
The RL10B on the Delta IV is $6.5 Million apiece because ULA bought 100 of them at once. The RL10A on the Altas V is $11.5 million apiece because ULA buys them 1 at a time.

https://ucsiconsulting.com/wp-content/forum/j2x-vs-rl10-409d8d

New production techniques are designed to lower RL10 production cost. ULA expects the RL10 to use 70% less parts and like 90% less time to build thanks to modern construction techniques. It’s likely then, that Vulcan’s RL10’s cost between $3 Million to $6 Million apiece.

>>12545745
You could probably do brachistochrone planetary flybys.

>>12545745
uhhhhhh
the fastest you can yeet something from Earth involves some real bullshit, because at that point you're just returning to Earth just to say that you can (or recapture most of your fleet I guess)
>>12545751
send an entire fleet of Starships on a resonant orbit with Earth, refuel in deep space, tankers recapture at Earth, destination Starship burns 7 km/s during Earth encounter

>>12545753
The ABSOLUTE STATE of oldspace.

>>12545757
brachistochrone is specifically about high ISP constant thrust setups, it's very different from merely "going really fucking fast"

>>12545741
ULA did a complete turnabout by going with a 100% unproven engine architecture made by a suborbital meme company for a reason. Aerojet's shit is comically expensive.

>>12545690
I love how goddamn savage she can be sometimes

>>12545768
Aerojew Shekeldyne

>>12545768
>Aerojet's shit is comically expensive.
Its because all of their engines proper are fucking hydromeme engines.

>>12545751
I want to see them try to catch up with voyager just for the hell of it

>>12545780
The telemetry the probe sends back when it passes Voyager should be "MEEP MEEP".

>>12545780
Voyager RTG refueling mission when?
I want a space tradition of catching up to voyager, capturing it, and then yeeting it even faster away from the sun.

>>12545780
It shouldn't be particularly difficult, slingshot an atomically powered magnetoplasma rocket with drop tanks using the sun's gravity.

>>12545792
are you suggesting the Earth-Jupiter-Sun oberth slingshot

>>12545792
First in for beamed propulsion going at relativistic speeds

>>12545788
>in a few centuries voyager becomes a popular space tourist destination

>>12545788
catching up to Voyager in a year henceforth known as the "Voyager horizon" benchmark

>>12545757
>You could probably do brachistochrone planetary flybys.
no you retard, that would need an engine that fires with comparable isps to what rockets usually do today but for weeks at a time not minutes, were as close to that as the caveman who invented the wheel was to F-1 cars

>>12545799
It should be possible, assuming the entire vehicle is protected inside of a shell of ultra-reflective, insulated material, as it starts to draw back away from Sol you could lose the shell and switch to a solar thermal stage until like the orbit of Venus or something, until you either run out of reaction mass or the S/T kick becomes less efficient than the MPD. At this point you can finally kick on the atomic-sterling generator and use the magnetoplasma second stage to further accelerate.

>>12544257
faggot, kill yourself

>>12545550
Nah, its likely spacex guarantees their flight "or money back, atleast 50 percent of it back." That way spacex can charge 50M and still fly starship.

>>12545849
Kek shoutout to that ESA failure where the spaniard lost his life’s work because the ESA doesn’t offer insurance for their payload

>>12544907
Russia has a paper methalox falcon 9 clone too

>>12545821
Thread reminder that Sol and Luna are actually called the Sun and the Moon, respectively. If you call it anything else you are trying too hard

>>12545821
If you're going in closer than Venus a plasma magnet sail turned on at perisol will get you like 250km/s delta V by the time you get back out to Saturn.

>>12545865
>Soviet Union: builds a shuttle ripoff that’s better than the shuttle, doesn’t even fly it twice because it flexed so hard
>Russian Federation: threatens you with 7 paper rockets

>>12545849
Right now the cheapest launch to GTO is the Falcon 9, which can do 8.3 tons at $50 Million assuming you expend a previously reflown booster. Falcon heavy can put that payload into GTO at $90 million, which kinda sucks to be honest.

Ariane 6 will be able to launch two satellites into a GTO at a cost of $133 million, or $66.5 Million apiece in a dual launch.

ULA’s Vulcan, flying with 6 boosters, costs $130 Million and can put 13 tons into a GTO. This is $65 Million apiece for a dual launch.

SpaceX can charge $55 Million per payload going to GTO and still BTFO everyone

>>12545114
he is at the very least opposed to mass immigration and pro-family

>>12545883
What's the theoretical cost for Starship to put satellites in orbit, assuming any would be compatible with the clamshell design.

>>12545898
It’d almost certainly be rideshare too who the fuck would need a 100 ton sat?

>>12545153
>if you're racist you MUST FOLLOW THE IDEOLOGY OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM

>>12545902
>>12545898
Starship is cheap as fuck relative to its size. 34 Raptors is $68 Million, and 300 tons of steel is $900,000.

>>12545305
laser propulsion that allows for fast interstellar travel is both incredibly more dangerous then nuclear and far faster then nuclear propulsion, while nuclear is pretty much the king of interplanetary propulsion, laser is the king of interstellar propulsion (unless you find a way to create large quantities of antimatter). the issue with laser propulsion for interstellar travel is that the infrastructure required for it won't be in existence for hundreds of years at the earliest.

>>12545902
>It’d almost certainly be rideshare too who the fuck would need a 100 ton sat?
Momentus could probably use 100 ton ice blocks to refuel depots.

>>12545902
My concern for satellites is having them being able to clear the clamshell opening.

>Ariane 6 is slated for an April 2022 Maiden flight
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!! EUROFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>12545732
>>12545748
literally the Adeptus Administratum irl

>>12545965
Administratum does a decent enough job in the context
Despite the Imperium seemingly being in decline, they actually continually settle and discover new worlds

>>12545965
Just wait until ships are manufactured in space and spend their entire operating lives there.
Whats the FAA going to do then? Suck a dick, thats what.

>>12545919
>(unless you find a way to create large quantities of antimatter)
IIRC there are people working on mass producing positrons from matter on demand so you can annihilate them with an electron beam. Pure gamma ray directional exhaust if you confine the collision the right way.

>>12545975
>point exhaust at israel

>>12545982
And China.

>>12545986
earth in general desu

>>12545992
Nah, we need biology and phosphorus in general.

>>12545975
Can those gamma rays be used to push shit like lasers can? It's the same thing as light, right?
>t. brainlet

>>12545883
>8.3 tons at $50 Million assuming you expend a previously reflown booster
Not at 50m

Also comparing the used cost for falcon 9 to the new cost for falcon heavy is disingenuous.

>>12545707
I doubt it will ever actually happen, no government is going to give them a payload that needs maxed out dV for the same reason they’ve never produced any multi launch payloads
No ambition

>>12545996
Yes, gamma rays are just EM radiation, higher frequency than X-Rays. Gamma rays are an absolute nigger to deal with in nuclear engine designs because you can't shield them with magnets and they're crazy high energy so they dump a bunch of waste heat into your shielding.

>>12545996
Yeah, gammas and xrays are just spicy light.

>>12545419

>>12545919
I'm moderately more optimistic than that.

If we launch from somewhere other than earth, you can use ground based lasers fed by ground based power plants. It requires significant infrastructure on the ground, but once you have that, it's not that hard.

>>12544257
hah you missed Aerospike master race cunt ;)

>>12545996
Yes but they're harder to safely generate and harder to shield against.
Pushing lasers should probably be NUV.

>>12545877
>Soviets: only flies it once because the peasants are revolting
>Russia: the peasants are in charge now

Do you think SpaceX will launch a Tesla Semi as its first Starship payload?

>>12546006
>>12546008
>>12546015
Thanks. Guess my shitty idea of a facility that pulls double duty by producing antimatter AND propelling things with the aforementioned "gamma ray directional exhaust" isn't super practical after all.

>>12546014
oh he didn't
this is the chad of engine systems

>>12546015
>Pushing lasers should probably be NUV.
Why not visible?

>>12546029
visible is a good idea for safety but at the same time you could just have your visors filter the laser frequency because you will never look unshielded upon the vacuum of space

>>12546023
Probably a bunch of Starlinks desu

>>12546025
>Shitty ISP
>Costs as much as an SSME
Heh....nothing personnel kiddo

>>12546029
Balance between power delivered to push the ship and danger of irradiating the ship. Visible light is weak and very safe, UV is moderately strong and moderately dangerous, Xrays and Gammas are very strong and very dangerous.

>>12546065
heheh true but still, just look at that shit. I think it would have been developed to be cheaper and simpler.

>>12546079
Nah Aerospikes are a meme that only are useful with SSTOs, which are even more of a meme. The real redpill is having the same engine but with vacuum and sea level variants

>>12546025
just look at how silky smooth that plume looks running over it

I want to touch it

>>12546085
>The real redpill is having the same engine but with vacuum and sea level variants
Seems like everyone is already doing that since Falcon 9.

>>12546090
I don't think that's a good idea

>>12546085
What if you just have a retractable bell extension that works while the engine is firing?

>>12546085
all that said the engine that SpaceX are using are super efficient, they looked at aerospike and the numbers were just not there.
SSTO's would be preferable for crew launches imho, they solved the composite tank issues for those SSTO using aluminium tanks that were lighter and stronger kek.

>>12546095
doesn't work that way, the geometry is different

>>12546098
goatse mechanism

>>12546085
Rotating pulse-detonation aerospikes are the final evolution for bipropellant rocket technology, all the thrust of a normal engine, near maximum combustion efficiency curve due to being an aerospike, and pushing the limit of combustion efficiency right to the edge by using detonation as opposed to deflagration. LCH4 rockets could be as efficient as hydromeme rockets are now in such an engine with minimal if any TWR losses and maximally efficient propellant utilization from ground to vacuum with no need for different sized engine apertures.

earlier I stated that the Space Shuttle still had the turnaround record
I was wrong, Falcon 9 now has the turnaround record.
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/01/spacex-reuse-records-2020-ambitious-2021/

>>12546095
ULA uses an RL10 with an expanding nozzle on the Delta IV. It gives 10 seconds better ISP and an extra 10% thrust while weighing 50% more than the other RL10 variants. They seem to be alright with abandoning it on Vulcan

>>12546101
ooh any papers I can read?

>>12546097
>SSTO would be preferable for crew launch
incorrect, horizontal landing would be preferable for crew launch
TSTO, vertical takeoff horizontal landing

>>12546104
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=t9FBDwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PR5&dq=rotating+pulse+detonation+rocket&ots=9QBXQI3s8D&sig=dAANIadX17qTSWfhoHj-PoZll0U#v=onepage&q=rotating%20pulse%20detonation%20rocket&f=false

http://www.frolovs.ru/pdf/2015-36-eng.pdf

>>12546101
how much simpler are the engines to adapt to non-air breathing?

>>12546102
Do you know the record for space shuttle reuse as well? I wonder how many flights did the reused space shuttles fly and which space shuttle had the most reflight.

Falcon9 will likely go to ~10+ reuse this year maybe even more.

>>12546121
thanks mate interesting

>>12546130
it's like 54 days or something, the NSF shuttle autists have a roundup article somewhere