/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12525514

> have a BSC from math from a top 10 uni
> am a low wagie for a fast food joint
> every time somebody posts a meme it actually hurts me because its the truth

=(

>>12525522
How did you end up like this? Have you tried finding a proper job?
I'm about to graduate with a math BA and I'm afraid I might end up like you.

I'm going to hijack this thread since /mg/ was useless.
My parents were under the impression I'm studying applied math/statistics but they found out I'm studying pure math.
Since then they've been freaking out and yelling at me.
WTF do I do?

>>12525671

Yes. however i only get rejections. I'm also no good at coding, so i dont have the confidence to just fake being a god tier coder to get a job.

>>12525522
>>12525684
Why the fuck do you get a math degree if you have no aspirations to go to grad school or do research? The math degree didn’t fail you - you didn’t choose right, and that’s your fault

>>12525514

>>12525514
A math undergrad is very good for grad school in a more in-depth topic (bio, CS, econ). After doing even a masters in CS or bio, you will be able to land yourself very interesting jobs with good pay. If you just did a math undergrad without thinking what you are going to do with it, you fucked up.

>>12525514
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>>12525514
Math degree or just mathematics in general?
The undergrad degree, like any degree, is as useful as you make it. There's no reason why you can't work as a programmer, actuarian, whatever not so actuary stuff people do related to data science (no you don't need a graduate degree), lab assitant with bioinformatics, and so forth...
Mathematics is insanely useful. The universe can be described mathematically. So every technology that exists wouldn't be a thing without maths used, whether the maths was done intuitively or not. Every physical science is built upon maths.

>>12525676
how far in are you? you probably satisfied all the math requirements (other than maybe discrete math, i don't know the curriculum really i majored in engineering) for a CS degree or something if you were to switch

better to take an extra year now in undergrad and graduate with something worthwhile than to finish your math undergrad and find out there are no jobs for you

>>12525729
>The undergrad degree, like any degree, is as useful as you make it.
I would argue that different undergraduate degrees will leave you with vastly different amounts of real world skills (i.e. not potential to develop skills, but what you can actually do immediately - employers are increasingly unwilling to train or develop anyone)

>There's no reason why you can't work as a programmer, actuarian, whatever not so actuary stuff people do related to data science (no you don't need a graduate degree), lab assitant with bioinformatics, and so forth...

The reason this isn't a safe bet is that most of those fields will probably already be saturated by people who have degrees specific to that field, it's going to be really fucking difficult to get a coding job when there are so many CS graduates you are competing with that have more applicable experience

I'm not saying it can't be done, it's just really going to make things unnecessarily difficult - if he can avoid it by switching majors and just staying in school a little longer he should probably do so

>>12525684
>god tier coder
dont need that, you will probably find a it job easily with some online courses and the math degree giving an extra push.

>>12525717
>If you just did a math undergrad without thinking what you are going to do with it, you fucked up.
That's me! Currently in my last year of undergrad. Wish me luck.

>>12525766
gl anon it's rough out there

>>12525730
I'm really far in to pure math at this point. I have taken CS classes and done well in them, but I really have hated my experience in all of them.
It would really humiliate me if I took an extra year to do undergrad.
Can I go to grad school and try to pivot there?

>>12525741
>I would argue that different undergraduate degrees will leave you with vastly different amounts of real world skills (i.e. not potential to develop skills, but what you can actually do immediately - employers are increasingly unwilling to train or develop anyone)
That's true, however there's a bunch of skills that are fundemental to getting a career that are not just people skills. The skills for hard work, discipline and thinking outside of the box are the skills that you can get in a maths degree.

>>12525741
>The reason this isn't a safe bet is that most of those fields will probably already be saturated by people who have degrees specific to that field, it's going to be really fucking difficult to get a coding job when there are so many CS graduates you are competing with that have more applicable experience
This is where I disagree and I see a lot of people saying the same thing but the reality is different. There are lots of programming and actuarian jobs. The myth about them being oversaturated comes from two things: Qualifications on job ads about "years of experience" and word of mouth from people who did bare minimum to get a job and only applied to like 5 positions.

Programming jobs vary widely, a person needs to apply to dozens if not hundreds of applications, they should preferably network and go to career fairs. We don't really have a lot of CS undergrads considering the jobs available, especially when a lot of undergrads who do get a programming jobs, try to climb the corporate ladder to do anything but programming work.

There's a reason why there are low skilled Indians are hired in North America. And it's not because there aren't enough jobs, it's because North Americans don't work like a bunch of robots foregoing the whole "climing the corporate ladder" reality. A lot of CS undergrads feel disillusioned that they're not working on very important stuff 8 months in. Thankfully, there aren't many Indians being hired.

>>12525514
not that useful, a tradesman only needs basic addition, subtraction, multiplication and division to do 99.99% of his work. there are people who never had a high school education that managed to operate a business that made them millions or even billions. math is just a really over rated field

Yeah I was going to do a math degree.
but then I realized it was retarded and I couldn't believe in half of this bullshit.
I switched to cs for money.

>>12525708

>>12525514
Use your mathematical knowledge to trade money in a hedge fund or with crypto, then you have enough money to live your life and you could do pure maths for your own intellectual pleasure.

>>12525873
James Simon will disagree.

>>12525777
if you didn't like the classes then you probably shouldn't pursue CS, then again where you end up with a CS degree will probably be completely different than your classes anyway so it might not be a good indicator of your interest (for example, I loved taking classes in engineering, but most of the actual jobs are boring dogshit)

you could absolutely do something like OMSCS with a non-CS undergrad to pivot to CS if you wanted to

It depends on your goals and your goals depend on your values.
Do you intend to use calculus in your job or daily life? Do you plan to spend a lot of time reading articles or books which require knowledge of calculus? If so, you should learn calculus! If not, it isn’t really an effective way to spend your time. Your time should be spent in harmony with your values and goals.
With that being said, there are many specialized mathematics and logic which likely are necessary for a full expression of your values and goals.

test

>>12525522
300k starting?

>>12526144

i was in psychiatric treatment (for a day only though) so i guess its more

> 300 mg
> any medication i want

or

> 300 mg
> any sauce you want


honestly fuck you guys i started binge eating because of this shit thread again =(

>>12525729
>The universe can be described mathematically.
Yeah but no interviewer actually cares about that.

>>12526153
With some luck you'll even become a restaurant manager after flipping burgers for 30 years!
Jokes aside, you're at a dead-end job. Get some certificates or back to uni to get another, more useful degree.

>>12526164

i'd rather die as a burger flipper than become an enginigger

thank you very much , also please dont be rude to me when you want to order extra stuff =')

also have this good luck charm for the coming year

think of what you want to accomplish overall in life. math is just how much you need to know to get there and how well you want to accomplish your accomplishments.

it presents an optimization problem to life, everyone has a perfect amount of math to learn relative to their aspirations and needs.

>>12525522
300k starting but it in cents not dollars

>>12525514
Math is how you can shitpost on a Mongolian frog image board

>>12526259

not even knowing about the n-body problem or galois theory could save me from this fate brehs

>>12526156
in art maybe

>>12526240
>thank you very much , also please dont be rude to me when you want to order extra stuff =')
I'm never rude to people who aren't rude to me first.
>also have this good luck charm for the coming year
Have a nice and successful new year too. Hope you find a better job.

how useful is graph theory?

>>12525729
>The universe can be described mathematically
That's correct but misleading. Any field for which math is useful already has the degree teaching the math you need in that specific field, while the math degree teaches you the math needed to become a mathematician. So if you just have the math degree, you're gonna have to play catch up on the math needed (and all the non math concepts) from the other field. It's better to just get the degree from the other field directly. The bottom line is, only get a math degree if you want to become a mathematician.

>>12526468
for finance though, at this time there s nothing to learn other than by yourself

>>12526486
idk man, there is no way there aren't specific degrees for financial engineering/mathematical finance/usury/jew magic

>>12525795
i belive the fear we all have is that the jobs WILL become over saturated in the near future leaving us scrambling for a career.

that's why personally I'm studying math but throwing in plenty of CS classes so that those two complement each other. Its fairly early in my studies but we'll see what happens down the road

>>12525708
>Coping midwit whose only merit - admittedly a great one - is blowing up feds

>>12525514
Constructive math is usefull
NonConstructive (((math))) is a schizo pedo fantasy

>>12526240
>i'd rather die as a burger flipper than become an enginigger

>>12526240
You're hired
>>12525514
As useful as any description is.